Dr. Gavin Ortlund Unpacks Problematic Roman Catholic Dogmas - The Becket Cook Show Ep. 127
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In today’s episode, Becket talks with historical theologian, Gavin Ortlund, about key questions regarding Roman Catholicism: the apocrypha, purgatory, the Pope, praying to saints and Mary, the assumption of Mary, the immaculate conception, transubstantiation, the Lord’s Supper, Sola Scripture, and what the Greek word, theotokos (God bearer), really means. Gavin’s examination of the history of these dogmas is extremely fascinating and edifying. This one is a must watch!
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ABOUT BECKET:
Becket Cook was born and raised in Dallas, Texas. He attended Jesuit College Preparatory
School of Dallas. After graduating from college, Becket moved to Los Angeles to pursue his dream of writing and acting, finding success in both. He eventually went on to become a production designer working with the top photographers and directors in the world on fashion shoots for magazines such as Vogue and Harper’s Bazaar, and for ad campaigns such as Gap, L'Oréal Paris, and Nike.
Finding a new sense of freedom in L.A., Becket also fully engaged in his new life as a gay man. He had a series of many relationships with men throughout the next fifteen years.
In September of 2009, Becket met a stranger at a coffee shop in Silver Lake who invited him to his church in Hollywood called Reality L.A. Becket reluctantly agreed to attend the service. After hearing the sermon that Sunday, Becket was utterly transformed by the gospel and gave his life to Christ. He also knew on that day when God revealed Himself to him that homosexuality was a sin and that he could no longer live that life. Becket was more than happy to count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus his Lord.
Becket spends much of his time in ministry speaking at churches, universities, and conferences helping believers (and non-believers) understand this issue biblically, theologically, culturally, and personally. Balancing grace and truth when teaching on this subject is of primary importance. His goal is to challenge the current cultural narrative about sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular by demonstrating through his personal testimony and biblical truths that, yes, homosexuality is still a sin, and that following Christ is infinitely more satisfying and joyous.
He has lived all over the world in major cities such as Rome, Vienna, and Tokyo.
Becket graduated from Talbot School of Theology at Biola University in 2017 with a Master of Arts in Theology.
Becket’s book, A Change of Affection: A Gay Man’s Incredible Story of Redemption, with a
foreword by Francis Chan, published by Thomas Nelson, released July 30, 2019.
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#TheBecketCookShow #purgatory #immaculateconception #apocrypha #assumptionofmary #transubstantiation #septuagint #solascriptura #theotokos #romancatholic
It's funny that over 23 years ago, I cried to Mary to help me , nothing happened . Later on, in another desperate plea, I cried out to Jesus, and he heard my voice and saved me. Only one savior, no other under heaven. Bless you, Jesus ❤
I'm sure Mary is rejoicing!
@@foodforthought8308 More like Jesus is.
@costamammis9687 Amen! I meant that Mary is rejoicing that you are running to Jesus.
@@foodforthought8308
Please consider this;
The beauty and glory of God is belittled by the veneration of Mary above others. She is now compared to the Arc of the Covenant. She was honored by May processions and as a sinless being and as one who could sway Jesus to do what you want Him to do. Therefore it was effective to pray to her first.
But that contradicts God's plan. Note:
"Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
But when the fulness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that are under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 4:3-5.
If Mary was not like us, could she be used to give flesh to Jesus. What good would it do? She could not represent us.
Did you know that there
are three other women if faith listed by name in the generation of Jesus; Thamar (Tamar from Hebrew), Rachab (Rahab).and Ruth. Luke 1.
Because she consented, as a woman of faith, she was used mightily. Certainly she knew the blessedness but also the cost. The world would judge her a fallen woman, with child, before she was married
Joseph also would possibly be looked upon as someone who made Mary with child before he took her as his wife.
Does the world forgive? "Jesus said unto them, Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one father, even God." John 8:41.
Because Mary was a great woman of faith she was chosen, in spite of her low estate, to give flesh to Jesus. "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden; for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."
Luke 1: 46-48.
Thank you Lord Jesus that God's plan is for His glory and our good!
"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye unto the weak and beggerly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?"
Galatians 4:6-9.
Divorcing Mary from Jesus is just nonsenical. It's like saying, 'I love my wife's face, but I don't care about her hand.'
Jesus is the Head from which everything flows and which commands everything.
But Mary is the caressing hand.
As a lost young man addicted to various drugs, I called upon several catholic saints, plus Mary of course. Nobody answered, so I tried hollering Jesus!!! Jesus!!! JESUUUUSSSS!!!!! BAM, he answered with waves of peace from the sky, and I was 100% delivered from the drugs. I had to find new friends, Jesus people in the 1970s. I was freed that quick. Power!!!
Jesus People USA? If so, I've been there.
I’m glad you managed to overcome your addiction the saints are our friends alive in heaven I’m catholic and Jesus is my saviour I can pray to saints too it’s in the early Christian creeds the communion of saints
You probably were worshipping the Saints, that's why they didn't respond. They don't like it too. You have to Pray to God first and foremore and only supplement that with prayers to the saints (for them to pray for us too, not to answer the prayer)...
Ecumenical councils don't invent doctrine. They define doctrine. The doctrine is part of the original teaching. Hey Becket Cook, ask a good Catholic these questions, not an anti-Catholic.
ByDesign Yes, grace was imputed to you by divine design. Think about the human relationship between mother and son. The son will do whatever is in his power to please his mother. The same and more so, between Jesus and Mary. Remember the wedding feast at Cana. Jesus before His time of earthly ministry acceded to His mother's desire. We do not know the .mystery of God; His ways are beyond our understanding. Prayer is not a transaction. It is better to consider that we implore Christ to walk beside us in our suffering.
As a Catholic, I appreciate you always being respectful of others. And I love listening to you about your salvation from the culture of deception. Thank you for remaining kind and respectful.
@@terryhill5509 culture of deception is a good way of putting it.
Becket, I ran into your channel by accident just scrolling UA-cam one night. I now believe it was Divine Intervention as the prayer of your mother and your resulting conversion give me INCREDIBLE hope for my child. Thank you so much, sir, for sharing your testimony. May God richly bless your ministry. ❤
Amen, me too.
Thank you! God Bless
Amen - Becket's work is amazing and I am so thankful and grateful.
Please note, his sister in law played a great part also..ot seems, many were praying for him also
Oh, the awesome power of prayer.
How astounding that God should honor it! 😊
We are loved by an awesome God.
Now look for Trent Horn to see the difference.
We don't have to have to have only one side look for the other too.
I was a traditional Catholic who later became an agnostic
Dr Ortlund has a huge influence on me during my research on various theological subjects
I became a Protestant few months ago
Thank you for this interview and May God bless both of you!!!
Traditional as in Latin mass attending??
Similar story, traditional catholic for 5 years, now protestant as of a few months back
I call b.s.
@@jordand5732 what do you mean by "traditional"? Brown scapular wearing? Latin mass attending??
@@1984SheepDog green scapular for me, and hid several green scaps in family member homes. Rosary a day, sometimes 3, attended a latin mass a few times but mostly novus ordo for several reasons.
My grandma left catholicism (praise God!) and she decided to follow the Lord. My parents grew up evangelical Christians. I grew up a pastors kid. We love the Lord and love the Word of God!!❤❤❤
My Uncle was a Priest for 25 years having traveled the world and preached. He got out to get married. He could tell you stories.
I got saved shortly after and both my sisters eventually did too.
We were never taught about salvation or having a relationship with Jesus. We were taught to memorize this and that and pray the rosary and confess to a priest and just go to church and do what they say. We were certainly never taught the Word of God
I praise the LORD I was delivered from this religion.
and delivered to where? Honestly, what earthly creature pulled you out of Jesus-founded Church?
With the Catholic church it was like it wasn't good enough that God was watching - it was like they wanted ppl on the door.
You make it sound like prison instead of the church that Jesus founded on Peter. I doubt either of these Protestant pastors would put it that way. From what you have said I can see you have been misled badly sorry hope you find the truth.
Merger, please be careful the devil's lies deceive those who are ignorant of the teaching of Jesus. If you do not SEEK to know, then any lie is plausible.
@@essafats5728
From what I understand in what she is saying, is that she has moved away from a belief that consists of Biblical truths mixed with human fictions and towards a belief that holds to the fact that God alone has the truth and that only His word is the truth. Because the Bible says:
1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus",
Acts 4:12
"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
In John 8:36
“So if the Son sets you free you will be free indeed.”
Hebrews 10:26
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.
“When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.” (John 19:30)
The Greek word for “it is finished” is tetelestai, what means paid in full!
Meaning on the cross JESUS paid in full for all our sins, when we turn to JESUS and repent.
He is the only MEDIATOR between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".
Not Mary, Not a Priest or any other dead person.
As a Catholic, I found it respectful, and interesting to listen to Protestants discuss these issues.
Yes but they needed to add a Catholic Christian like Trent Horn for balance
@@annb9029 There's enough protestant Catholic debates out there, and they have value too. Isn't it nice as a Catholic to just sit back and understand why we believe differently, w/out all the rancor and wanting to one up and convince the other out of their beliefs?
I want a interview not a debate but that’s just me
As a fellow Catholic, I would love Trent Horn or Scott Hahn as a guest on this show.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 Amen! Thank you for being so understanding and kind!
So glad you got Gavin Ortlund on your show! Hope to see him more on your channel. Always nice to see great Christian youtubers unite!
I agree but I was disappointed when Becket’s guest didn’t have notes to answer your questions like when did the propagation or purgatory begin and things like that. Quite a few of your questions he could not answer and I would think he would have come w notes to be more prepared. Yes, have Scott Hahn on your show for counter views. He’s more scholarly. Also, the organization called Catholic Answers discuss catholic teachings and historical church history in their explanations.
Becket-- I so appreciate your content and your testimony. Praise be to God. I was raised as a Protestant and converted to Catholicism as an adult. It changed my life. My mom also converted to Catholicism and it changed her life. The depth, the fullness of the truth, the beauty and universality of the Church, the sacramental life, the rich philosophical history. There is so much to love. And even the authority and hierarchy of the Church gives me great comfort. Instead of church-hopping (as we often did growing up), I can trust that Christ knew exactly what he was doing when he gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Christ leads the Church and I trust in Him.
Do you agree or disagree with much that was said here? My sister converted toCatholicism as an adult too. She loves it very much. She is a very conservative Catholic so we agree on everything culturally, but not on doctrine. We cant even talk about it without her getting upset or mad at me, so I just dont talk about it Im wondering if you agree with most of what the guest said or feel he doesnt really understand Catholicism. I have dear devout friends in Protestant Evangelicalism, Catholicism and even Orthodox. I wish we were all one in Christ, but there are profound and important differences.
Did you watch? What do you have to say about the doctrines that contradict GOD's Word? Will you devote yourself to the Word of God or to man-made doctrine? The part about the Pope's infallibility was INVENTED late in the 'game', does that not disturb you? What about all the titles for Jesus being added & given to Mary? Those go against the very truth of God's word & the Trinity!! There is ONE mediator between God & man, not an additional. 🙏🙏
@@Julia29853 @ybh8ful I watched the entire thing. It is difficult to address every topic in one comment but I’ll do my best. I accept every dogma and teaching of the Church and have no problem doing so. I encourage you to look into Dr. Scott Hahn (a Protestant pastor who converted), Trent Horn, and Catholic Answers. The primary issue would be to look at papal infallibility. If you understand that Christ instituted a hierarchical church at the moment he gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven, then the rest more easily falls into place. That passage is directly in Scripture. Christ told Peter (in Greek “Petros,” which means rock): “On this rock (Petros) I will build my church” and gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Peter’s supremacy and authority begins right in Scripture. The fact that the structure of the Church evolved in the coming years does not disprove the authority of Peter’s seat. Wouldn’t we expect the structure of the Church to change when it went from being persecuted to becoming socially accepted and celebrated? It is hardly a manmade doctrine when it comes from the lips of Christ himself.
This brings me to sola scriptura. There can be many different interpretations of Scripture, and some of those interpretations have significant consequences. For example, my quotation of Matthew 16 above. (Or even as relevant to the culture wars and many “progressive” Protestant churches - Romans 1:26, etc.) So then what exactly is the infallible word when you can interpret it so many ways? Two people could hold conflicting views of the infallible word. To be clear, Scripture is a central part of the faith (I read the Bible every single morning) and it is infallible, but I know how to interpret certain passages because of the Church’s magisterium. I also would ask you to consider: what did the early church do before the canon of Scripture was solidified in the 300s? Without Scripture for 300 years, wouldn’t the early Church need some doctrine or something to hold it together? That would be tradition (see 2 Thes 2:15). And as Gavin alluded to, there are some doctrines that Protestants accept (such as the Trinity - or even “sola scriptura” itself) that are not explicitly in Scripture. So wouldn’t that be a “manmade doctrine”? Isn’t sola scriptura itself a “manmade doctrine”?
As for Mary, much of what was discussed was the alleged excessive adoration of Mary in the Middle Ages. I am no historian, so I can’t comment on that. Sure, if one believes that Mary is actually on equal footing to any person of the Trinity himself, then that individual has a disordered view of Mary. But that singular person’s view wouldn’t disprove the Catholic faith. And that is not what the Church teaches. I also have not met one single person with this view of Mary. Mary as “mother of God” (which Gavin did not push back on) symbolizes the ark of the New Covenant. I am also not sure what you mean by “titles for Jesus” being given to Mary. If we know Mary is in heaven, why not ask for her intercession? If there is only one mediator between God & man, then wouldn’t it be wrong to ask a friend to pray for you? Of course, Christ is supreme and he is sufficient. But if one desires to ask for Mary’s intercession, then I see no wrong in that. And if you don’t want to, then don’t.
I’d also like to note that Becket mentioned at the beginning that we want an “always evolving church.” But then much of the discussion was aimed at pointing out how some Church teaching began in more rudimentary forms, and then developed and crystalized over time. To me that is a perfect example of an evolving church. Christ guides the Church through the Holy Spirit. Not every single teaching of the Church was solidified on the day after the Resurrection. Some things took time to fully understand. The difference is that I have reassurance that the Church’s teaching is true because it is willed by Christ, as opposed to one pastor’s personal view.
And moving to the eucharist, as Gavin mentioned, early Christians throughout the vast majority of Church history saw the eucharist as the literal body and blood of Christ. It was entirely uncontroversial. And Christ makes this truth very clear in John 6. I encourage you to look deeper into that and read the Early Church Fathers. Gavin said that Catholics don’t really “say much” about transubstantiation or its purpose. But the Church most certainly does. Receiving Christ himself (as he asks us to do) is a sacrament and gives us grace as we commune with him. It strengthens our walk in faith and holds us accountable to our sins (one may not receive our Lord in a state of mortal sin). And for that reason, we must attend Mass every single Sunday. It is not optional. There is more to say, but I’ll leave it there.
@@ybh8ful I responded to your comment above. I wasn't sure how to respond to both of you in one comment.
@audrey-uz7x
Amen! Beautifully and perfectly worded for the small space we have here. Catholicism is so rich and Becket needs to have a theologian on to further elaborate
As a former Roman Catholic myself, I can say that most Catholics do not even know the doctrine that Catholicism as a whole teaches. Most times when I ask my catholic friends why they believe what they believe, the number one answer is, “well I was raised Catholic”, or that’s what my parents are so therefore that’s the tradition I hold “.
For some, its mostly out of ignorance and pure tradition. Aside from the missal in the church pew, sadly a large portion of Catholics have never even opened their bibles for themselves to read any scripture. 😢
I once took a class on the 4 pillars of the catechism of the Catholic Church to learn more and the bishop actually told everyone that purgatory was not real 😮 and that it was man made. He talked about the history and the corruption in the early church too. 🤯
I leaned enough to know that was the end of my Catholic journey. Now I’m a Born again Christian and I have a relationship with Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior , that is all ! 🙏🙏🙏
Please return to the Catholic Church and go to confession. Jesus is waiting for you in the Eucharist.
I’m very excited for u! Keep up the good work!
I was actually raised in a Roman Catholic country as an overseas missionary kid. Catholic always drove me away from itself so I’m happy u found Jesus , especially since most go oppositely given catholic heresy
This is the classic best of/worst of problem. If you criticise something, you should talk to people /see videos/read books by people who are really knowledgeable, and watch the best examples of this thought (in Catholicism, that would be the saints). Comparing on-fire Evangelicals with lukewarm Catholics is not fair. I know more on-fire Catholics in my country than I know Protestants who are not only nominal ones.
Typical. Weak/nominal catholics leave (they were never of us 1 John 2:19) and then
justify themselves with: Now I'm born again. Really? Do you think the great catholic saints didn't have a personal relationship with Jesus?
@@gerardk51 Bible calls believers ‘saints’, & no command to pray to saints.
I did not see the entire title when I hit play and I thought you were maybe going to discuss the beauty of the Catholic Church. When I discovered it was not that at all but the opposite, I kept listening as I wanted to hear what Dr Ortlund had to say about the church I belong to and love. I was raised in the UCC church my dad was the pastor. My love of Jesus led me to Catholicism and I have only grown more fond of Christ and his church since I converted 36 years ago. I would suggest you also interview some prominent Catholic apologists like Scott Han, Fr Mike Schmidt or Bishop Barron to get the Catholic side on our teachings. It fascinated me that the very reason he discredited Catholic teachings, they changed over time, was what the reason he embraces Protestantism. It is changing. Be intellectually honest please. Also, Mary was given by God the graces she has and it is with His blessing that she has a role in our salvation. And she herself acknowledges that in Scripture. Read the Magnificat in Luke. Mary personally has helped transformed me into the person God created me to be and that is an image of Christ.
I think you misunderstood what he meant about the Protestant church changing. He meant that as protestants, we never have to hold on to our beliefs (outside of the true gospel) so tightly that we can't let them go if we discover we were mistaken. So any changing or reforming we do would hopefully be going BACK to the original truth of God, not adding new truths.
MARY CANNOT SAVE YOU, SHE CALLED GOD HER SAVIOR. If you believe the things you wrote on this comment unto your death you will stand condemned to HELLFIRE on Judgement Day before Christ the Living God. And I’m not talking about some fake catholic purgatory trash fantasy
Amen 🙏❤️Viva Cristo Rey! Salve Maria 🙏❤️
I was raised Catholic, and grew up never hearing the message of salvation. I know this isn’t the case for everyone, but always being told “ you must do this, or don’t do that or you will go to hell” is very burdensome and goes against everything the gospel stands for. All I want to say if anyone thinks they need to do anything to get into heaven, you can’t. It’s Jesus ONLY, not Jesus AND.
The Nicene Creed is said at every Mass and the Bible is read at every Mass the first reading normally Old Testament then the Psalms are song then the second reading always from the acts of the apostles from the New Testament then the gospel with John or Mathew or Luke or mark is read at every mass the Nicene Creed states what Catholics believe that includes that Jesus died for our sin read please see We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and “For Our Salvation”
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
@@annb9029 It is read, but it usually isn't taught in Catholic churches. That is what the poster meant. As an evangelical, I was well taught the gospel and how and why I'm saved in churches. Many layers,. many sermons, much teaching. So when I go to Mass and say the creeds, I well understand what's behind that. If I was just reciting all my life, w/out the layered teaching, I probably wouldn't understand either. That's what they were trying to explain. This is what I hear from many ex Catholics that convert to the protestant side.
I’ve never understood this sentiment. You heard the gospel. You weren’t listening.
If you grew up actually PRACTICING Catholicism you def heard the gospel. It’s all in the Mass, including a gospel reading and preaching on the gospel reading every Mass. It’s in the creed professed at every Mass. You hear of His sacrifice and His words “this is my body, given up for you,” and receive that if you’re in a position to receive the Eucharist. You hear every Mass is a celebration of His life, death, and RESURRECTION SUNDAY. I’m glad lad you now have a relationship with our Lord if you didn’t before. I mean that truly and deeply. But of course the Catholic Church teaches the message of salvation. Kinda have been for 2k years.
Salty, so, Jesus Christ is a false teacher?🤔 "if you wish to enter into life, then keep the commandments ". Holy Scripture teaches we must cooperate with God's saving grace and repent and bear fruit and forgive others and love one another and persevere to the end to be saved! Even though you preach another Gospel, I still love you very much in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth
@@GratiaPrima_ maybe I wasn't taught correctly? I had 2 aunts who were nuns and an uncle who was a priest. My mom was also an ex nun. I was told from a young age that if I missed church I would go to hell. I was told if I committed a mortal sin, such as premarital sex and didn't make it to confession and died I would go to hell. I asked her why I had to go to confession if God hears our prayers and she told me that's just the way it is. I was unable to understand that all we needed to receive salvation was to accept Jesus as savior and repent of our sins. I believe it's possible to be saved as a Catholic but my family unfortunately still thinks they have to do certain things to earn God's favor. All our righteous acts are as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). And just to be honest, I don't know many people who claim to be practicing Catholic who live any differently than moral atheists.
I really appreciated how knowledgeable he is on this subject as well as how respectful he is to Catholics in how he communicates. On the issue of Mary, I have always thought of that passage in the NT when a woman cries out something like - blessed is the one who gave birth to you and the breasts that nursed you! And Jesus corrects her for exalting Mary. He says blessed rather are those that hear God's word and do it. How can they exalt Mary above other believers when Jesus seemed to be saying not to do that?
But Our Lord Jesus is not correcting the woman who calls out, nor is He demeaning His mother.
He is adding to her praise!
Who is the first Christian?
Who heard the Word of God, kept it and submitted to it throughout her whole life?
Mary, His mother.
She said, "Behold the handmaid of the Lord, be it done unto me according to Thy will."
Jesus wants us to hear His word and respond with our whole being just as Mary did, "...Thy will be done..."
We have been given the opportunity to be BLESSED!
We can be like His mother.
Yes Jesus seemed to correct Mary... But seeming is not always real/true. Have you come across any God's chosen human being whom he used as use and throw objects once His purpose have been served?
Whoa! That's very extreme. Correcting Mary once or twice does not equal using her and throwing her away. Jonah was also God's chosen prophet, and he had to be chastised and punished repeatedly. Was God just using him? When Moses struck the rock instead of speaking to it, the Lord rebuked him. In fact, out of the many godly people that God chose and used throughout history, I can't think of anyone who never doubted or needed correction. The burden of proof is on you to explain why Mary is the one exception to this pattern. I think it brings even greater glory to God that He was able to use an imperfect human for the most important and miraculous event in human history because of her faith. Just like Mary, we are imperfect but we are called to faith and God promises to honor that faith and use us to do his work in spite of our flaws. Praise God!
@@katherinebare8212 are you directing your question to my comment or someone else? I'm not sure what you're referring to
He didn't correct her for exalting Mary. He explained that spiritual ties go beyond the flesh and matter, as in the natural relationship between family members who are literally your 'flesh and blood', but for the Kingdom of God and spiritual matters it's a matter of the heart/soul. So that's how we can also be God's adopted sons and daughters.
And Mary was btw the most exemplifying it! She was 'full of grace', and listened to the Word of God most attentively out if all creation. So if to apply Jesus' words, it still would apply to her just as much! Because no one has ever listened God's word as much as her.
So no, Jesus didn't correct the woman for exalting Mary, he corrected the woman for paying attention to familial/biological ties only, but pointed out to the importance of the spiritual and the heart submitted to God in spirit.
Which is also a great hope for any of us, because that's the door through which we get to have the relationship with God as well.
I used to be Catholic and followed Scott Hahn. In 2019, I became newborn Christian when the scales fell of from my eyes while praying and calling to Jesus. A miraculous event happened to me that clearly pointed that Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life and no one can come to The Father except thru Him. I will point towards 2nd commandment. “You shall not carve for yourself a carved image- any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them.” ❤❤ Jesus died for you and me. That is how much God the Father has extended His hand of justice+mercy towards us that we could/should be confident that we can come to Jesus directly and that is already so so so so much more than enough in order to come to The Father God. Jesus died for you and me. ❤️❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼
So you never ask anyone to pray for you? You are confused on the Catholic position and understanding of the Faith. Praying to the Saints is asking them to pray for you like a friend. Jesus is the only way.
Just wanted to say you’re a huge inspiration to me. I struggle with SSA, but I’m in a great church with a wonderful pastor who’s counseling me and a great batch of friends that I fellowship with regularly. I’ve never had that before in my life until now and I’m so grateful to God for showing me mercy and bringing me into fellowship with great people.
And I’m hugely thankful for this channel- God bless you!
Thank you! God Bless
Truth Unites is one of my favorite UA-cam channels. Dr. Ortlund offers more than just apologetics. I've been encouraged by his pastoral posts as well
His sermons are just wonderfully empathatic and compassionate. What a loving shepherd.
I use to be a Catholic. My whole family I grew up with, (10 of us; 8 kids) were all Catholics; “staunch” Catholics! So it was major for most of us to come out of it. When Catholics ask me why i left, I tell them that I’ve seen way too much scripture showing the opposite of what Catholics teach. I either follow Catholicism or the Bible, and I must do the latter. It’s really impossible to follow both. Once I went to a hospital to pray with someone and met up with a priest, and subsequently ended up in a debate about purgatory. I was a young Christian and somehow thought I could convince him (this priest) that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So there is no such place, praise God!!! As a kid, Catholicism taught me that purgatory was a place where we would go to suffer for our sins for a time frame (could even be up to 2000 years) and if or when we are purified enough we can then be taken to heaven. Praise you Lord for the truth!!!!!🙌🙌🙏🙏👏👏👏
Thank you! God Bless
The truth is that you left the Church because you don't understand the Catholic faith.
You stay away because you don't want to know the Catholic faith.
You use the Holy Bible to try to prove that God is wrong.
Preposterous!
Don't you know that the Bible is a Catholic book!
It proves God right!
You'll never convince an educated Catholic that the purgative state does not exist, although usually may fool those who, like yourself, are foolish enough to think that their actions don't have repercussions.
Be assured that Catholics pray every day that you will see your errors and come back to the Church.
@@BecketCook:
Why doesn't it surprise me that you would LOVE this comment.
I'm sure that Satan is rejoicing even more than you are
@@alhilford2345Over you.
There is no verse that says to be absent with the body is the same thing as to be present with the Lord. The verse I think you’re confused about is 2 Corinthians 5:8 which states, “Yes, we do have confidence, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” Saying it is a better thing to be in heaven after you die than alive is not the same thing as saying every single person who dies is instantly in Heaven.
FYI the very next verse the Protestant false doctrine of Sola Fide is refuted: “Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” 2 Corinthians 5:9-10 KJV
I’m not sure what other things you thought the Bible taught differently from Catholicism but reply with what you think it might be as you might have just been uneducated on the matter.
Former Roman Catholic to evangelical here
Dr Ortlund is a blessing to me and many others.
What made you switch over?
You should come back to the true church that Jesus started.
Why not be an evangelical Catholic and partake of Christ's gifts of the sacraments and fullness of the faith? Christ desires unity. Schism is sin and scandal to His eternal truth and love. He loves us and desires us all to come to him.
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What is "evangelical Catholic"?
Wow Becket! I have not been able to get any pastor to answer my question about the apocrypha as a former Catholic. Now I see why… It is a very complicated topic in some ways. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for putting this on your channel! ❤
The canon of Scripture was determined in the late Fourth Century at Church councils. This list included the Deutercanonicals and more chapters in Daniel and Esther. Martin Luther removed them and the King James Bible originally included them but they were later removed. I think some bibles contained them but did not treat them as canonical.
Catholic Bibles still have the compete canon and most Protestant Bibles have the shorter version.
@@teresaemmerth5625 Like the first person said, it's pretty complicated. I don't think chapters were removed from Daniel and Esther. What can happen is when the Catholics translate the OT from the Greek Septuagint, there is a difference in the ordering of the manuscripts and sometimes the chapters. Protestant bibles are translated from the original Hebrew, in an attempt for more accuracy. The Hebrew books can be organized somewhat differently. All the text is there, but it may flow into another book, or the chapters may end in a different spot. When I tried to look up a verse a Catholic had quoted from his bible, I initially couldn't find it in the scripture address he gave. It was still in my bible, just in a bit of a different address. This can come from translating from different original source material.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 I am curious: "Protestant Bibles are translated from the original Hebrew, in an attempt for more accuracy." What is the basis for this statement, and where can one find the supporting evidence for it please and thank you. Blessed Be...
@@cindiloowhoo1166 What do you think would a more accurate translation? Something that is translated from Hebrew to Latin, and then translated again from the Latin into whatever language we are reading the bible in, which for us is English. Or to translate straight from the original language, Hebrew, into our common language? Do I need proof that one would be more accurate, or doesn't common sense just show this to be the case.
@@teresaemmerth5625Luther did not remove them. He reordered them and called them Apocrypha (hidden) which they were never hidden . After Luther they were removed. They show the need for works is problematic for Faith alone doctrine.
Luther actually added the word alone to the scripture in the German Bible.
He also said he wished he could throw James in the see. Because James justifies many Catholic teachings Luther didn't like.
Thank you Beckett for introducing us to this man, the grandson of Ray and Anne Ortlund, the host of Haven Of Rest radio ministry for years! What a delight to meet him.
Thank you! God Bless
Gavin Ortland should stop his obsession and compulsive efforts to slander the Church. He can talk a word salad in a soft voice and I cannot even begin to make and address all the ways he misrepresents Catholic teaching . Even the name Catholic is NOT an adjective . He does not explain how the Church develops that is entirely licit. It’s an outrigger to have him teach and distort Catholicism.
Watch Dr Hahn testimony conversion to Catholiicsm. This is NOT of God..
Thank you for reminding me why I knew the name Ortlund!! I loved the Haven of Rest music and still listen to one of their CD's.
My two favorite Christian UA-camrs!! Never did I think I'd see you in one place.
Being a catholic, I wasnt changed. When I left catholicsm and started reading the Bible, I changed thanks to Jesus.
please pray for my husband who has decided to become catholic. I am heartbroken
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Why? Learn from our Roman brothers and sisters. If you are an evangelical, you should also be concerned about some of your own beliefs as Gavin has mentioned.
@@Apriluser i have concerns about some protestant teaching but that does not make Catholic doctrine right or even healthy.
I'm Catholic and I love the humility and respect of Gavin.
Except his statement that our devotion to Mary is excessive.
@@maryturchi9739 true
Absolutely. I went to Catholic school from 3rd to 12th grade and he clarified a few things I had remembered incorrectly, or had been taught incorrectly.
@@maryturchi9739 But it is. Have you read anything from Ligouri or De Montfort?
@@ContendingEarnestly Probably. We have quite a library- stocked primarily by my husband from St. Ignatius Press
This is so engaging and so educational. I was raised big time Catholic. My father's brother (Joseph T. McGucken; my uncle) was the Archbishop of San Francisco from 1962-1977. He was asked to accept the position of Cardinal of Los Angeles but turned it down due to his health. My 7 siblings and I all went through 12 years of Catholic school and very involved in the church. I loved my Uncle Joe dearly but early on in my teenage years in the 1970's we had our clashing moments. He definitely did not welcome my questioning the Catholic faith. I appreciate and will always be grateful for my Catholic foundational upbringing but in 1982 I was born again and began worshipping as a Protestant Christian. I never looked back... Thank you for the heads up on "Truth Unites." I will most definitely be tuning in... PS. I miss the real wine, too and weekly communion would be wonderful.
Hmm...
There's a tone of sadness coming through here.
Nostalgia.
A longing for home.
@@alhilford2345 No, I don't think so.
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You cannot divorce My Church from the Word - the Flesh - because then It cannot Exist
Saturday, December 21st, 2013 @ 20:13
My dearly beloved daughter, to those who accuse you, through My Holy Word, of fighting against the Authority of My Church, they must hear My Call.
The Church, created by Me, Jesus Christ, was built upon a firm Rock and no matter how much My Church - My Body - is attacked, the gates of Hell will never destroy It. Satan and his agents will only attack what is genuine, what is True and what is of Me. This is where all his energy will be focused on - My Church. I Am Present in My Church, through My Body, the Most Holy Eucharist. My enemies will always target the Most Holy Eucharist, as It is not merely a symbol of My Love, My Promise to redeem the world - It is My Body. It lives and breathes, for It is I, Jesus Christ, Who dwells in It. I will remain Present within the Holy Eucharist until close to the end, but My Church will never die.
My Word was made Flesh and through My Flesh, you, God’s children, will remain close to Me. When My enemies attacked My Church in the past, My Church united and fought against Its opponents. But when My Church is attacked, by the spirit of evil from within, It will face very few obstacles from a secular world.
Satan does not attack his own work. As the Son of man, I will never desert My Church, for It is impenetrable against the devil. My followers will remain true to My Church up to the last day. However, the number of people who will not understand the attacks, which My Church will come under, from within, will be high. They will, for the most part, be content with the many adaptations to be introduced in the Holy Sacraments and the Laws of God. They will swallow the lie that modern life calls for a modern church; that people today need to be able to make choices, based on their own free will - irrespective as to whether or not they insult God. Then when they insult God and commit blasphemy, when they desecrate the Holy Eucharist, they will no longer be part of My Church. My Church will remain intact. My Church will stay standing, because of those who will remain true to the Word of God - the Word, which became Flesh. For you cannot divorce My Church from the Word - the Flesh - because then It cannot Exist.
I promised that I would protect My Church against the gates of Hell and I do this now by preparing My loyal sacred servants to stand by Me and to remain true and steadfast until the Great Day. I never break My Promise.
Your Jesus
My Lutheran lcmc does weekly communion on Sat service for those who are converts. I was a catholic growing up. Paul teaches that we should not judge how we worship, but to not make one stumble in the faith! If it’s Jesus we proclaim we can’t be wrong! No saint died for you. By Grace we are saved through faith alone, not by works. The Holy Spirit is the one in us that bears all our good fruit.
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Many Popes have been prisoners in the Holy See, surrounded by Masonic groups
Monday, May 7th, 2012 @ 18:19
My dearly beloved daughter, to My churches through the world I say this:
Know that I will always be with you at your side, as long as you proclaim My Most Holy Word.
To My Catholic Church, even though you caused torment as a result of evil sin, know that I will never forsake you, although you have sinned. But know this.
Your faith in Me, is not as strong as it should be. You do not love Me, as you once did.
All the wealth you accumulated, put a distance between Me, your Christ and Saviour and God’s ordinary children.
You scaled such lofty heights, that I could not reach up to you and offer you My Hand to salvage you from the rot within your core.
You were taught the Truth by My Peter, upon whose Rock you were built. And what did you do?
You built thick stone walls around you.
This caused a lack of communication with those whom you needed to feed with My Body and Blood, so that their souls could be nourished.
The respect required of you in administering My Most Holy Eucharist, was lost, when you demeaned My Presence.
When Vatican II declared new rules, they were introduced, by those evil Masonic forces, from within your corridors.
They cunningly presented new ways to administer My Holy Eucharist, which are insulting to Me.
Your so-called tolerant teachings proclaimed a series of lies, including the refusal to acknowledge the power of Saint Michael the Archangel.
He is the protector of the Church against Satan. Those forces among you knew this. This is why you stopped all prayers, requesting his help, before Me at Mass.
Then you perpetrated the biggest untruth, that Hell was not to be feared. That it was just a metaphor. For this lie, accepted as the Truth by many of God’s children, has meant the loss of billions of souls.
How you offend Me. For those humble and sacred servants among you, I ask that you go back to My Teachings.
Never allow riches to accumulate amongst you and think that they are acceptable in My Eyes.
Riches, gold and power accumulated in My Name, will be your downfall. You cannot profit from My Holy Word.
You have suffered because of the way you have offended Me.
Never think that I Am blaming the many holy popes who have sat in the Seat of Peter. Their Mission has always been protected.
Many popes have been prisoners in the Holy See, surrounded by Masonic groups, who do not represent God.
They hate God and have spent fifty years spreading untruths, about the Mercy of God.
Their works have led to the collapse of the Catholic Church.
This was not an accident. It was deliberately and cunningly plotted in order to destroy the faith of the Church, to destroy the homage of ordinary Catholics, to the One True God.
For this, you will now be cast aside into the wilderness. After Pope Benedict, you will be led by Me, from the Heavens.
Oh how you have made Me weep.
I call on all of My sacred servants, who know the Truth, to stand up and follow Me, your Jesus, to spread the Truth of My Teachings in humble servitude. You must find the courage and the strength to rise from the ashes.
Above all, reject the lies, which will shortly be presented to you by the false prophet.
He will merge the Catholic Church with other churches, including pagan churches, to become one abomination, a one world church without a soul.
Your Jesus
As a Catholic I would like to see you interviewing Catholic apologists on these issues and present the other side as well.
I suggest E. Michael Jones. If Becket REALLY wants to seek the Truth, then he will invite some Catholic if not Jones. If Becket doesn't, then he doesn't want the whole truth. As a person who grew up Catholic, fell away and returned through Methodism, I eventually returned to the Catholic Faith because of St. Pope John Paul II and majoring in Philosophy at an Evangelical college. God bless.
With all due respect, Protestantism is dead.
Agree. It's hard to listen to. So many untruths and misunderstandings to what Catholics actually believe. Just on purgatory, not everyone goes to purgatory. I would like to see you talk with Alvaro. UCN4XuvupOcQSMFydLKrSWnQ or a Catholic priest like Father Simon Richards, whom I know personally. God bless you Beckett!
@@jennifermcinnis2198he never stated all go to purgatory, although no catholic will say , i know i am going to heaven and skipping purgatory, nor would one good catholic say i know i am going to hell.
@@flippintobyland7257 Correct
@Goodkidjr43 You say if he "really " wants to seek the truth he will invite Catholic in the meantime you say Protestantism Is dead...I would say that kind of rhetoric reflects a major bias on your part from the start...So you want both perspectives while outright discounting the perspective that disagrees with you. As for Beckett to my understanding it seems he grew up Catholic so it's likely he has a fairly strong understanding of the Catholic perspective on these Theological issues (thus naturally he would be bringing the other perspective on to get another perspective).
As a protestant turned Catholic myself i found this guy incredibly respectful. Love Becket. It would be good if he bought in a Catholic apologist like Scott Hahn to have a respectful debate
Hahn does not debate. He has turned down offers to do so.
Trent horn or Jimmy akin would be amazing to have on for debate. Though actually Trent may have debated Gavin before, can't quite remember
No thank you
Great idea and love Jimmy Akin.
For such a topic, it would be great to have Gary Michuta on the show. It would be a very respectable chat.
He was the Lamb of God to be food to the believers.
It is quite clear he said "it is" not "it is like", so his body materiality transfers into another materiality when he solemnly gives out the bread and wine
Becket, please invite Father Chris Alar or Father Mike Schmidt on to give the Catholic teaching on these important matters. Gavin is calm voice about Catholic teachings but he is not Catholic. Some thoughts are not true. Just as Catholics have incorrect theories on Protestants.
Love your show and always pray for you !!!
What a gracious and lovely comment!
Yes, Dr Mike Schmidt or brant Petre- would be lovely to have them on to actually have a Catholic discuss Catholicism. 😊
Also, I hope you are able to watch some of pastor Gavin’s debates. He is a lovely believer but I think many of the issues became apparent on his debates, especially his debates with Trent horn..
he is not Catholic..........but he sure did his research!!
@@ybh8fulYes, Gavin is probably the best non-Catholic to refer to about Catholicism, but that still is not the best option if you want to actually understand why Catholics believe what they believe.
"Some thoughts are not true".
Which?? You must be specific.
Vague accusations can be slanderous...
I was born and raised in a Catholic country: France. It’s Catholic by tradition, even surnamed “the big sister of Rome”.
As a child, I attended the mass. Although I believed in God, the mass was creepy, never ever heard a message on true biblical salvation.
At the age of 30, I heard the real gospel for the first time, through an Aussie friend.
Fast forward, I became a believer in Jesus Christ myself.
The real faith in the gospel was so different than the Catholic doctrine. So I prayed….asked the Lord which was His true church.
Oh boy……did He answer my prayer! It went from the RCC has some “errors” to …it’s straight out Babylon!
To my Catholic friends I will say, don’t listen to the pope but read your Bible instead! The book of Acts tell us what the true church is.
Thanks for the advice.
I'm Catholic and I DO read my Bible.
Every day .
That's why I'm still Catholic!
Re creepy perhaps you mean supernatural which Christianity is supposed to be. Jesus died and was resurrected a supernatural event celebrated at every mass.
Becket, you must have formed an early habit of being very punctual in showing up for work, classes, social engagements etc. I always get my notification for your podcast each Thursday at EXACTLY 5pm on the dot. Every time. When l can't count on much else in my life l can always count on both God & you to show up on time, when l need you 😊
Such a lovely message...
I found Gavin about a month ago and have been mainlining his content. So glad you interviewed him, he is a powerhouse of knowledge while being so gracious and gentle.
Actually he is not a powerhouse go watch Scott Hann, or Father Chris Alar, and so many more.
@@gloriabult2967you say that because he doesn’t say what you want to hear.
I'm not going to lie and say that I love reading and studying church history, but seeing the circumstances and how people would rather lean on tradition rather than factual evidence on Christianity, it just gives you enough conviction and encouragement to study it and use it to aid in witnessing to others. Of course I don't mean this in a confrontational sense, but like Paul, having some knowledge on other things helps us have some point of discussion in order to share the Gospel. Thank you Becket and Dr. Gavin Ortlund for the explanations. May God bless you both.
Hi Beckett,
I love listening to your show. I’m a Roman Catholic. I think it’s only fair that you have on a Roman Catholic expert as well. Scott HAHN from the University of Steubenville Ohio would be a great guest to explain the Catholic position on purgatory and the scriptural basis behind it
Becket, you are such a warrior for Christ and have been such an inspiration to me! I am a devout Catholic, love your show and have shared your videos with many of my devout, Jesus loving, bible reading Catholics. I have never has any issue with listening to you as a non Catholic. I have a connection to Dr Scott Hahn if you would like to reach out to him to have him on your show. I’m not trying to convert you or any of your Protestant listeners here. I really would just like Dr Hahn to be able to explain what and why we believe and that we are not heretics (as I know some Protestants believe). Your interview with Dr Ortland was very respectful and gentle but my disappointment is that we should working on being more united in our love for Jesus as our savior. There are many different Protestant denominations with a lot of differences in their biblical interpretations (I have several family members as an example), so I do wonder why you have only chosen to point out things you see as problematic with Catholicism and not other Protestant denominations. I have many Protestant friends and loved ones and I am grateful that we all share our love for Jesus. I also have many friends and loved ones that are not believers and that breaks my heart. I pray for them constantly. As Christians, we need to be united now more than ever❤
@@NancyEsherick as an ex Catholic I have been called a heretic but I understand they have not yet taken hold of the truth in the Word.
Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible because it is NOT biblical. Not biblical. You must know it was wrong to sell indulgences to get out of purgatory. May God Himself open your spiritual eyes. He did that for me almost 40 years ago. It is the Lord and only Him that draws us. Thankful!
Agree- would love for you to interview him, Beckett! Additionally, Scott Hahn is a convert to the Catholic faith and his wife is as well. He was previously a Presbyterian minister and offers a unique (well researched) perspective. :)
Agree! Then you can have both sides presented. Dr. Scott Hahn is the best!
There is no scriptural basis behind it.
I used to be catholic. I came from a long line of catholics. I used to believe in mary as my intercessor , Oh, how the Bible changed my mind on that. My mom did not force to go to church but I did do the communion and I got to for a while. I hated it. I liked to hang with other children my age but I hated going to catholic church. I knew God was real since I was a child, I knew someone way higher and bigger than me was upthere in the sky. Nobody fed force any of this, I just knew. Later on I was sent to cathechism and stuff but I never felt God there, it was just rituals and latin being spoken. I heard the gospel at 13 when I was sent for one summer to a different part of my country. It was a baptist church. The seed was planted and it wasn't until I turned around 36 that I turned to Christ. I can say now most of my moms family follows the Lord Jesus and have left the catholic church. Still praying for a few. My dad side of the family, also praying for them. I would say , now I only follow Jesus, I don't call myself of any religion. I just decided to not put a religion name on it. When people ask me what religion I am I say of no religion but I believe every Word of the BIble and serve Jesus only. I repented of my involvement with catholicism , it just something the Holy Spirit had me do. If people would look to just Jesus not to tradition of men. Christ is coming for His Church and it is not Catholics, protestans, baptist etc is the born again people that keep His commandments and worship Him in spirit and truth. The catholic tradition tho teaches a lot of lies, but people choose to believe a lie rather than the truth. From the inception of the catholic church , it was plague with lies, avarice, and evil popes. Do the research and its available to anyone now a days, like I said, some people cant let go of tradition and prefer to continue to be blind and bound. You can't serve Jesus and mary . The devil uses that lie about mary to keep people bound and blind. She was His earhtly mother but in no way she should pray to and no one should be praying to her cause she didn't die for your sins. None of the apostle worshipped her. I mean, the Word of God is pretty clear. I once witness to a catholic lady using her own Bible, her catholic BIble. She was amazed but still bound in the tradition tho she knows the truth now. SHe had thousands of question and i was able to show her with her Bible the answer to her questions. I keep praying for her. We are still good friends. I hope and pray I see her in the New Jerusalem .
Excellent -keep reading your Bible and sharing God's truth with others!! No compromise with any doctrine of men!!!
I also have a friend who I spend a lot of time with and speak truth to her. She went to an RC apologetics class and IMO they only teach how to shut people down but it failed with me. 🧐 Our friendship almost ended bc she got pretty hateful. But now she is getting close to seeing that Jesus is returning soon and she is looking forward to it.
@Quint-ib4nf That's like Becket. Maybe you heard his testimony? I pray you make your way back to belief in God and the freedom and life changing walk that can be had w/ Jesus.
@@lindafreeman4230 Men wrote the Bible.
Ask any Catholics why August 15 is so significant. So read with humility
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This is My Book. My Word. My Promise.
Wednesday, August 15th, 2012 @ 01:00
Video Message
My dearly beloved daughter I speak with you of this, the most important day, the day which I chose to launch My Book for the world.
This is the day of the Assumption of My Beloved Mother, Queen of the Heavens, Queen of the Earth, Mother of Salvation.
It is no coincidence that the Book of Truth is being made available on this date for My Mother is the Mother of Salvation. The Book is to help salvage the souls of the whole of humanity.
My Mother plays an important role in the salvation of souls.
She is the Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of Grace and Advocate. This means that My Blessed Mother has been chosen by God to help Me, her Son, in the final plan of salvation.
Her role in this significant period of time is not understood.
She gave birth to the Redeemer of Mankind and brought into the world the Gift of Salvation because of her acceptance to become My Mother.
She is the Mother of all God’s children now and she has been given the power to crush Satan as I prepare to salvage the human race from his wicked plan to deceive God’s children.
The Book of Truth is not merely a book. It is My Holy Word, the first part of many revelations, to convert the world.
While it may have seemed very difficult to produce, with so many obstacles placed before you My daughter this work is, I assure you, protected from Heaven.
This is My Book. My Word. My Promise.
When I said I would come again I meant that I would come again.
Just as I came into the world the first time, God My Eternal Father prepared His children, in advance, through the prophets.
Many listened. Many did not.
Either way the world did not fail, afterwards, to understand the Truth. They knew and understood the meaning of My Passion on the Cross and the freedom it gave the world to be given the Gift of eternal salvation.
The same is happening now. The world is being prepared for My Second Coming. Now.
The Holy Word of God is being given to mankind, through these Messages, as a great Gift.
Many will listen. Many will not.
One thing is clear. Very few will not know about it.
They will either accept My Word as it is being given to them now or they won’t.
I have fulfilled the promise of My Father.
My Father promised the world they would be given the Book of Truth at this time.
Many will digest the Truth and accept it. Others will find the Truth too bitter to taste and will deem it to be lies.
Let them know that the Covenant will be fulfilled as will these prophecies.
No man, no matter how he argues against My Holy Word, will prevent the Truth being from being revealed to the world.
The prophecies contained in the Book of Revelations are unfolding before your eyes.
No man understands the full meaning of the Book of Revelation for its contents were not revealed to the world clearly as they were only guidelines.
Now that I, the Lamb of God, come as promised to open the Seals few will accept this.
Why?
If you believe in Me, in these Messages, why do you deny the Truth when it is being given to you?
Failure to accept the Truth given to you about the False Prophet, the antichrist and other prophecies will mean that you will not allow Me to instruct you in the salvation of souls.
Only by following the Truth can you be safe.
Remember that only the Truth will free you from the lies, which infest mankind through Satan.
You must continually call on My Mother to help bring you to Me so that you are protected from the lies, which Satan will use to block you from the Truth of My final Holy Words given to the world before My Second Coming.
Go in peace and love. I unite you all in the protection of My Precious Blood at this time.
I rejoice at your response, My beloved disciples and I rely on your faith to help Me in this special mission.
Your Jesus
"Today paradise." Amen. Beckett, thank you for this interview.
Love to see two of my favorite creators collaborating :)
We are Taking Back The Rainbow org
I'm so grateful that our church has communion each week. It has been SO good.
Thanks for all of the helpful info. I love an even-handed, charitable approach to differences in theology. It keeps dialogue open when we're willing to stay calm and listen, while remaining strong in areas that are verifiably true.
I completely agree with Gavin and Beckett - we need to go back to the wine (with an exception for those who cannot partake) and it needs to be a weekly remembrance.
Blessed Eucharist is at every Mass. Since the last supper...
As catholic … Good to see Protestants thinking deeply about the Eucharist
Please consider having Scott Hahn, John Bregsma or Cameron Bertuzzi on your show. Seems like they have valid arguments in the discussion. I am also Catholic and I enjoy watching your show and I am very fond of your metanoia story ❤. God bless you and keep you brother
If you bring Trent Horn in these guys will go rounds
Most of this is nonsense; you don't know Catholic teaching at all. You need someone like Bishop Robert Barron to put you straight on Catholic dogma ( it just means "teaching", by the way, not enforced conformity).
Ist all about Jesus and Him crucified. It's not about one denomination over another like democrats vs Republicans. Only Jesus died for our sins no one else. It's not about Peter. Pau and Mary. Other humans shouldn't even come into a discussion ad be co equal with God. If it's Jesus and then it's not.
@@ewaldradavich7307 witch we Catholics have Him on all the tabernacles of the world.
I used to be a Catholic for about 9 years. I was trained to be a Minister of Holy Communion, which meant that I had training in the Catholic doctrine and believed certain things. I was able to hand out the wafers during communion. Little did I know at the time, because I was young and not trained in what the Bible actually said, the Catholic doctrine I was taught, was not Biblical. I was taught that the elements actually turned into the Body and Blood of Christ as Dr. Gavin Ortlund explained. Once I became a Born-Again Christian, I found out that this was not true. Jesus Christ did not say "Eat Me", He said do this in remembrance of Me. Once I started digging into the Bible, I was finding out that the Catholics were doing a lot of things that were not Biblical. Basically, the Catholic religion can be considered a cult. The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for Salvation. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues, Salvation, means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved. Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for Salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus’ death was not sufficient to fully purchase our Salvation.
God bless you for your succinct summation of the problems of this religion.
You are woefully ignorant and you do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about. Protestants tell a lot of lies about Catholicism because every man is supposed to be his own expert on the bible. But most are not. They cannot even begin to iron out the various interpretations. Your comment makes no sense and I don't believe you were ever Catholic. After having listened to Protestants tell lie after lie about Catholicism, I can tell you that for the most part, Protestants need to tell lies because they broke Christ's church into a thousand pieces, and now they have to tell lies to justify their rebellion against Christ and the bible. So they tell lie after lie about Catholicism.
Wow as a Protestant I'm disturbed at how badly you caricature your former tradition. The Bible actually supports many concepts you argue against and many Protestant hold some of those practices. Let's be charitable enough to realize that no Christian tradition has it all together. I know many faithful Roman Catholics who are absolutely in love with our Lord and completely within the Body of Christ
@@foodforthought8308 You say that you are Protestant. Are you a Born-Again Believer? And what are the concepts that I argued against, that are supported by the Bible?
@farmboy5622 Yes I'm an Evangelical Christian, born of the water and the Spirit - born from above. I personally encountered Christ as a teenager, and He completely transformed my life. I've studied the Bible cover to cover and I love it! A lifetime of study will never plumb its depths. But most of your objections mentioned here are simply not grounded in Scripture. I advise you rewatch the end of this very video. John 6 makes it clear that Jesus indeed emphasized that unless you "eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in Me". When challenged on this controversial claim, Jesus did not explain it away as mere symbolism. 1 Corinthians doubles down on this reality. Christ's True Precense in the Eucharist is something virtually all historic Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants agree on. Where the disagreement lies is how this works. Catholics insist on transubstantiation, and we Protestants allow for more of a mystery there.
Salvation is also a false point of contention. Both Catholics and Protestants believe that we are saved only through Christ by Grace through faith! We differ on the details of how this actually plays out in the individual Christian. 1 Peter 3:21 literally says that Baptism saves, which is how Catholics and Protestants from Lutheran and some Anglican traditions understand being born of the water and the Spirit - although they acknowledge the mystery and exceptions of Christians such as the thief on the Cross saved by faith outside of the Sacraments. We all agree that once you are saved by faith, we still must work out our salvation with fear and trembling as the Spirit works through us. This is where the Sacraments of the Eucharist and Confession come in to provide us means of grace in the sanctification process of becoming more like Jesus. Protestants call this sanctification, Catholics refer to this as increases in justification. But it's all accomplished by Grace to "merit" through Christ's ultimate Merit rewards in heaven. And yes, virtually all Christians throughout history up until recently agree that Scripture affirms that one can lose salvation (initial justification) by being unrepentant over mortal sin (described in Scripture) and in rejecting the faith. Yes Catholics can go overboard in these concepts which can lead to superstitious practices. There is a reason I'm not Catholic. But I know many Catholics who are absolutely in love with Jesus and like Protestants have a firm assurance of salvation.
I highly recommend Dr. Ortlund's videos for a better understanding of the Catholic faith - he is actually much more complementary than you may think. We have much to learn from our Catholic family in Christ!
Catholic bible scholar here. You are doing a great job trying to be fair and explain Catholic beliefs. Only 15 min in and I find it very refreshing. I’ll keep listening and add explanation where I can. Regarding purgatory, you’ll find it in 1 Cor 3:10-15, specifically verse 15. The reference to being saved but by “fire” can correlate to our crucible where impurities burn off as we know in Revelation that nothing unclean goes before God. These verses are addressed to those who have the foundation of Jesus Christ, but how we built there on (our “works” are tested ...see verse 13) will be tested by fire on our Day of Judgment. These verses are not addressing those who die in mortal sin.
Interesting read .Summation Follow Jesus and obey his voice .Catholic is a name like Protestant is a name. Follower is a way of life .
Have you heard of former Catholic priest Richard Bennett? I really encourage you to listen to his testimony, he is very respectful and loving in describing why he left the priesthood after almost 30 years.
Nothing to do with a purging, purification, purgatory.
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 KJV
Jesus purged our sins.
who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 1:3 KJV
In addition, the sacrifice has been made....there are no more sacrifices, no representing the same sacrifice in an unbloody manner. It is finished. Done. Scripture says so.
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, But a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (In the volume of the book it is written of me,) To do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hebrews 10:1-15 KJV
So, yes, this passage refers to testing by fire to prove authenticity or purity of one’s works and faith. But No, it does not teach or affirm any period of time in which people’s impurity will be purged. Any concept of a purging location over time that follows this judgment and precedes the eternal state (even for one who barely escapes as through fire) is imported into this text, not read out from it!
How can 'nothing unclean' go to God when He loves us as we are. We have to repent turn from our evil ways walk with God do things the way God wants us to do things so we can spend eternity with Him! When we are born again we have been saved because He paid the ultimate price for us! So when I die I know I'm going straight to heaven I'm not going to be stuck in purgatory waiting around come on give me a break
Never thought I'd see this crossover. Two of my favorite Christian content creators on yt :D
I think having Fr. Mike Schmitz from Ascension prsents or Patrick Madrid or Fr. Rocky from relevant radio
Jeff Cavins would be another great one or Scott Hahn
or Gavin's bud, Trent
Scott Hahn, Catholic Priests, this man is polite and I think is misinformed
Becket, it's good to hear Protestants discussing Catholicism charitably, but would it be possible to get the Catholic side of the discussion? People like Trent Horn, Joe Heschmeyer, Michael Lofton, Jimmy Akin, Karlo Broussard, etc. would be good options. It can be helpful to compare the arguments from both sides, instead of just hearing to opposing view. I can try and help get you in contact if you would like?
I’ve had a interesting debate with a Roman Catholic. It ended when we settled on Sola Scriptura. It’s hard to debate about the Christian faith when one side believes in the Word of God only, and the other doesn’t.
Yes, please.
Yes! Brant pitre would be another good option.
It's not needed, Jonathan. God (and therefore His PERFECT Word) is the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY over true Christians. By simply comparing the RCC's traditions/practices/teachings with the 66 Books of the Bible, discerning Christians can clearly see that the RCC is led by the father of lies. It's a waste of time listening to those who defend this falsehood using their twisted interpretations of the Bible.
@@tiredoftheworld4834 Where do you get the idea the Catholic Church doesn’t believe the Word of God?????
Where do you think the Bible came from?? Have you ever been to a Catholic Mass??
What do you think Christians did before they could read the printed Word because very few had access to the Bible for thousand years after Christ. They heard the Word at the gathering on Sunday!!!! That gathering eventually became known as the Mass- short for the final word of the gathering Ita Misse est in Latin.
I´m with you Becket! I have binge watched Gavin´s channel and it has been so edifying to learn about the history of the Church and his respectful and humble demeanor when discussing these differences is so necessary these days.
Please, have on your show Scott Hahn and or Trent Horn, both are gracious and kind gentlemen who can speak with you about all things Roman Catholic.
YES:
I second Dr Scott Hahn!
Seriously. These two talking and leading to further confusion and disunity in Christendom is too much. Mary, pray for us. Christ, have mercy.
@@gnomeresearch1666 your problem is your not praying to God!
@@davidjanbaz7728you misunderstand, we ask for intercession through Saints and pray only to God.
Thank you for explaining this so well
My kids Father just passed away one week ago
His mom is Roman Catholic
I’m Pentecostal
We’ve never realy talked about our differences in belief
But it helps me to understand different views
I know my kids Dad was in prison before he died but had a moment with my kids before he died
He believed he was ready to go to Heaven before he died
I comfort my kids that if he felt ready
I believe he was
I wasn’t married to there Dad when this happenned
We broke up when my youngest was born
When my kids Dad was taken it realy made my kids sad
I felt they lost there Dad twice
My kids where raised by me and a step Dad
And they realy loved there Dad and step mom
I’ve allways prayed for my kids Dad to have his Heart right with God
I believe God did answer the many prayers
My kids Grandma is Catholic
I’ve allways loved her very much too
She’s a very loving mom and Grandmother
Thanks so much you guys
Love your program
Blessings 🥰💞🌸
OH BECKET! brave Becket, I am praying for all of your Catholic followers to not be offended but to be stretched to SEARCH the scriptures & pray & discern. This I KNOW is not an attack. I will be watching later! 🙏🙏
Well we also have the extra 7 books to search.
This is only one scholar's perspective. That is like a Catholic believing everything the church says to believe. I do think other perspectives are needed. This is all very interesting and perhaps enlightening information, but anything that divides Christians in this age of craziness is very sad. We are playing into Satan's hands all in the name of being the most correct Christian religion. Very disappointing.
@@jeanniehendry1356good point.
@@jeanniehendry1356 well, having a high view of the scriptures is very very crucial. We are called to unity but, united around what? Truth of the WORD! If I find anything in contradiction to the Word of God, nope, not heeding that doctrine!!
Lol I’m a former Protestant who did diligent searching of the Scriptures, researched what early Christians actually believed, and prayed more than I ever prayed before about discernment. No surprise that I’m Catholic now 😉
Now have on Trent Horn so he can explain all of this from the Catholic perspective. 😉
As a raised RC who received a Bible at 12 years old, the RCC bears almost no resemblance to Scripture. It's another Jesus, and another Gospel.
@@SSNBN777 Speaking as someone who converted to Catholicism two years ago as an adult, I don’t agree. The problem in my opinion is that Catholics are not catechized well while they’re growing up so they don’t understand their own faith and are easily swayed. There’s a reason for the saying, “Weak Catholics become Protestants and Strong Protestants become Catholic.”
Exactly, there are many former Protestant minsters who are now Catholics
Please consider interviewing Dr Taylor Marshall from the Latin mass point of view or Father Mike Schmitz from the Vatican II point of view, The Bible In a Year podcast, Ascension press…
@@SSNBN777Being a former Roman Catholic does not mean you actually were taught the rationale behind Catholic belief.
Dr Scott Hahn's books/videos would be a tremendous help to Protestants to understand Catholic theology.
He is a charlatan and a liar
I’d like for him to debate with Scott Hahn , Steven Ray
Scott Hahn constantly lies and he refuses to debate anyone who knows their stuff. James White has been trying to debate him for years and he refuses.
You can also check out Mike gedron. Ex catholic with a call to reach catholics 😊
understanding the Scriptures is better than understanding tons of Catholic teachings.Soul is at stake!
Dr. Scott Hahn would be a great person for you to interview 😊 he could explain ver well why our souls must be perfect to enter the kingdom of God.
Who is so certain that his/her soul would be directly taken to heaven post death.
Does access to heaven can be taken for granted?
Why Jesus said, "Be holy/ perfectas your Father in heaven is perfect?
Does oversimplified assurance of salvation hold water?
@@kiwi-xl1vl:
Nobody can be certain that their soul will go to Heaven, but most of us can be sure that we will definitely NOT go straight there!
Hence the dogma of the purgative state.
"...for nothing defiled can enter Heaven"
Apocalypse.
@@alhilford2345 But why some Christians Church leaders preach as if none can stop them from entering heaven afterlife on account of their faith in Jesus? Can anyone prove that such people and their followers are actually in heaven by divine revelation?
@@kiwi-xl1vl :
Right.
Some 'Christian church leaders', as you say...
But that's not what the CATHOLIC Church teaches.
God alone knows who will go to heaven.
He is the judge.
Some people ignore the sin of Presumption.
Always praising the LORD, for what He has done, is doing, and will do in your life, Becket!
Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.
He is fascinating and he is always SO GRACIOUS, as well as being so learned. ❤️✝️🙏🏻
That's because is knows about catholic teachings and doesn't know how to make the jump. Too learned in his own eyes.
My recent return to Catholicism was in part with Mary. The reason being during the reformation many left but because because of Mary the Aztecs become Christ followers peacefully as soon as they saw the cloth she appeared in. The Spaniards conquest of Mexico was due to her picturegraph imagine of her and the Aztecs stating they were worshipping the wrong god. LOVE YOUR SHOW.
The devil masquerades as an angel of light, so we shouldn't be surprised at all by the Aztec pictograph of Mary (Virgin of Guadalupe). Pharaoh's magicians had power from the devil to turn their staffs into serpents and the water into blood, and to produce frogs (Exodus 7-8). Also, Revelation 13 tells us about the miracles the two beasts will perform because the dragon (Satan) will give them his power. By these signs they "deceive those who dwell on earth" so that they worship the beast (and Satan who is behind it all). This has been Satan's purpose all along: to divert our worship away from God and to be worshipped himself. He even tempted Jesus Christ to worship him! Christianity was accepted easily in Mexico as a result of the virgin's apparition, and many turned from pagan worship. However, Mexicans do not worship Jesus alone; they worship Mary, too, but in Isaiah 42:8 the LORD says: "my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols". Catholics will be quick to say that they do not “worship” but “venerate” her. Whatever they choose to call it, Mary is clearly honored on par with, or even more than, the Lord Jesus. I am a witness to this.
Also. Find that Mary is the gateway to Jesus. She is a mother and always points to Jesus.
No they already had a mother of the God's and they just believed Mary was the same person. They even called Mary the exact same name. They also believed Jesus was their god because their god was a snake hanging on a cross. Study please and believe the Gospel. Only Jesus can pay for your sins and if you're not trusting Him alone then you're going to hell. I love you and it takes love to tell you the Truth (Ephesians 4:14-15)
The Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the 3rd day according to the scriptures (The Gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). If you believe in your heart that God rose Jesus Christ from the dead and confess with your mouth Jesus Christ is The Lord you will be saved (Romans 10) Go to a quiet place and ask the Lord to save you and forgive you from your sins - Believe on Jesus Christ and call out to Him before it's too late
The tilma of Juan Diego is fascinating. It should have rotted long ago but it has survived for almost 500 years.
@@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior:
I don't know where you're getting that story from, but you are very confused and misinformed
However, I'm glad that you read the Holy Bible.
You know, I'm sure, that it is a Catholic book, and that the New Testament was written by Catholic Saints.
Great video. Both lovely charitable Protestant Gentlemen. Gavin frequently dialogues with Catholic Apologists which are always spiritually uplifting and enjoyable. God bless🙏
I'm Catholic and I don't mind hearing respectful dialogue.
In the end, we are all children of God.
Becket, my husband and I both really enjoy your channel! I am a Latin Catholic and would love if you would make a video with Dr. Scott Hahn or Trent Horn on this topic. God bless you!
I was raised in the Catholic church in a devout Catholic family and extended family. I always thought of my religion as a part of who I was. It felt good to belong. After getting married I began to face many deep trials in my life. I knew the answers to my problems were not going to come from the the world. I knew in my heart only God could help me. During these trials I met a college professor who began to kindly ask me questions about what I believed. I had more questions than answers. Then he asked me if I knew where I was going when I died. I answered.. well, no one knows for sure. To this he humbly answered, I do. He then explained to me how I could personally be saved. I prayed with him that day. As I reflected on that prayer that evening, my mind was flooded with thoughts of eternal life with God in heaven and the most amazing peace filled me. I have never been the same since that day 30 years ago. I tried to stay in the Catholic Church for months after but could not find Bible study or feel this was where I could grow, learn and relate to others in my faith.
My testimony too, so beautiful.
So, the college professor was also a fortune teller.
He looked into the future and saw you in Heaven.
Nice.
Please have Dr Scott Hahn on for Catholic response to these points.
The important doctrine to remember is we are ONE in Christ Jesus (catholic - small c, all) when we are saved by faith through Christ. There is not "mother church." We are to be united in Christ alone.
True Catholicism is beautiful.
There's nothing beautiful about a fascination with death.
It contradicts Jesus saying "I am the LIFE" (John 14:6).
The fact that all RC churches have, in prime position, the dead Jesus hanging on the cross SUMS UP their morbid approach.
He was ALIVE on earth for 33 years and has been ALIVE since the Resurrection but the RCC chooses tp freeze time and keep him forever in his (very) temporary dead state!
Catholics PRAY to and for the dead, despite this being expressly forbidden in Scripture (Deuteronomy 18) and despite there being NOT ONE example in the entire Bible of a Godly person praying to anyone except God and FOR anyone except the LIVING.
Relics are body parts of RC "saints" kept in the altars of RC churches.
Some of them (like Jean Vianney, Teresa of Avila etc) have their heart in one country, head in another, hands somewhere else...
(When I was RC, I saw Teresa of Avila's hand displayed in Ronda, Spain and plenty of other bodies in glass cases and body parts).
By the way, have you seen pictures of the SKULL CHAPEL in St Bartholomew's church, Kudowa-Zdrój, Poland??
Look it up!
Look up Catacombs too, a major site in many Catholic cities in Europe.
Moreover, the "sacrifice of the mass" entails the priest saying some magic words and "re-crucifying Christ", whom they call a "victim" before - according to them - he becomes an industrially-produced wafer, which the congregants eat.
"I just ate Jesus", parishioners say and they're not rebuked.
Marthe Robin is one of many "saints" whose stories sound like demonic possession (Padre Pio is another).
She is venerated in France but her story is horrific, morbid and likely fraudulent.
Oh and nothing beats the absolute misery and darkness of a Catholic funeral! No hope. Just despair.
That's the fruit of worshipping a false "Mary", dead "saints" and a dead "Jesus" (not the true one, obviously. DEFINITELY not the one of John chapter 11!).
The RCC is darkness and the true Jesus is not in such darkness!!
My general take on this show is that his broad critique of Catholicism covers so much ground from an "aerial point of view" that it is impossible to really challenge his information/analysis/critique. I suggest a discussion with two people, one expert from each faith who can address Catholic/Protestant issues more specifically from their individual understandings. You, Beckett, are an expert at setting up a show with guests who can differ with each other and still speak with respect. Yes, I am Catholic...making a long walk through the faith journey from agnosticism to Christianity to Catholicism. Two thousand years of Christian practices...all the people...all the good with the bad...is poorly summed up by Mr. Ortlund. Cue: 20:45...his one-line affirmation of Protestants...all of them lumped into one group of "honest/truthful" people...patting Protestants on the back with fewer than 20 words...I just had to smile and stop listening.
I was raised Catholic, but left the church shortly after salvation. I don‘t regret my parents bringing me up in the fear of the Lord. I have attended Mass a couple of times with my sister in recent years and am always moved by the reverence for a holy God that I feel in the service. Unfortunately that reverence is often absent in our evangelical churches.
And I especially like Becket‘s strong emphasis on local church. 1000 x yes to local church!!!
Come back and be with Jesus in the Holy Eucharist body and blood and soul and divinity of our Lord that’s the most important thing.
@@glendanikolakakos7431he is with Jesus. Our savior is not limited to an institution.
As a former catholic, keep searching for God. You will find Him.
Jesus stated the Catholic Church he’s been there for 2 thousand years
@@annb9029 yes. That’s why Catholicism is “The One True Church.
Great interview. I work with a lot of European Catholics and Hispanic Catholics. It is so important to have loving dialogue with them. I have often failed and did damage. This interview and the episodes surrounding this on Truth Unites is so helpful.
If anybody wants the truth about the Catholic Church watch Trent Horn , or Father Mike Schmitz , or Bishop Barron , X Catholics are the most uneducated about Catholics because of being poorly taught for 35 years after Vatican 2 there was miscommunication after Vatican 2 , how do I know this , I use to be one of them I was a part of the poorly Catholic educated we were not taught about the faith or the Bible but then I took the time to read the Bible and the catechism hand and hand and realize they match up with no errors , As Trent Horn would say a X Catholic does not understand Catholic language, Baptisms and Confirmation is when Catholics are born into Christ and confirm to follow Jesus, Catholics are saved grace by the Blood of Jesus on the cross he paid for our sins NO we’re in the catechism does it say Catholics are saved by works. , X Catholics only had bad teachings one day a week even Catholic schools were bad , if someone wants Catholic truth they need to listen to Trent Horn or Bishop Barron or Father Mike today Catholics have Bible studies and better education , I’m not here to have people switch churches but i will state inaccurate Catholic statements (like we’re not Christians) we are., I’m saved by Jesus blood on the cross and we by communion is Holy because of this verse John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. , Catholics follow the Nicene Creed Baptism
John 3:5 - “Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 28:19 - “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Confirmation
Luke 24:49 - “But stay you in the city of Jerusalem till you be endued with power from on high.”
The Eucharist
John 6:54 - “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood, you shall not have life in you.”
Sacrament of Penance [Confession]
Psalm 41:4 - “Heal, O Lord, my soul, for I have sinned against Thee.”
John 20:22-23 - “And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’”
Anointing of the Sick [Extrem Unction]
James 5:14-15 - “Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man, and the Lord shall raise him up, and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him.”
Matrimony
Matthew 19:4-6 - “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Holy Orders
Matthew 10:1 - Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
John 20:22-23 - “And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’”
I grew up Catholic and all of the things discussed was what I knew was true back then until I read the Bible myself. In my mind I started having questions about many practices but living in a country where 2/3 of the population is Catholic didn't help much. It wasn't until I was 40 that God took me out of that bondage. Now I believe the 5 solas: Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, Solus Christus, Sola Scripture and Soli Deo Gloria. And I continue to pray for many of my friends and family's eyes to be open to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
So you basically became your own pope?
@@bethanyann1060 I'm not sure what you are trying to insinuate but I basically moved from religion to a relationship with the Lord. That is what the Word of God does. And you don't need a pope or priest but divine intervention of the Holy Spirit. I will be praying for you to have an open heart and mind to understand the power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@R_D777 I apologize for the snark in my comment. What I am insinuating is that you merely went from one interpretative tradition to another. I was a Protestant for almost 30 years, and became Catholic a few years ago. It was due to me reading Scripture more than ever, and I was reading it in the context of the early Church’s understanding. All of us, when we read Scripture, are going to have certain assumptions that color our interpretation. Your assumptions now are the five solas, so you will read them into your reading of scripture. In my experience, it was a lot easier to take scripture at face value, with the Catholic understanding of theology as my backdrop.
@@bethanyann1060so you now believe that Mary was sinless, and was bodily assumed into heaven and if we don’t believe that we are damned? And you got that from reading the Bible. I see. Sure.
@@snowviolet508 We don’t believe in Sola Scriptura, because the original church Jesus founded did not believe in it. Tradition is equally authoritative. If you read Scripture with the understanding the early church had of tradition, a lot of obscure passages make more sense. You won’t find verbatim “Mary was assumed into heaven” in Scripture, but you will find typology that alludes to it. Revelation 12 sees her in heaven, with the moon at her feet for example, and this is written by St John who was charged by Jesus to watch over her as his own mother. He of all people would know of her fate after she left this world.
Now as far as having to believe these dogmas or be damned, it’s not accurate that the Church teaches that there are no exceptions to this, otherwise the Church would not teach that it were possible to be saved and not be a card carrying member of the Catholic Church. If one denies dogma and used to be Catholic for example, these people overall should know better, and are in more of a dangerous position than someone who was never raised Catholic.
Nooooo Becket 😭I’m Catholic 😀but I still love you
Former Catholic here. I haven’t yet watched the entire video but, Becket, I’m thrilled to see you address this issue. Frankly, I had wondered where you stood on the matter because I know that you were raised in the Catholic tradition as well.
When I was in my early 20s, I picked up the Bible for the very first time, which, if you think about it, is a very odd thing to say. We did not read the Bible in the Catholic church. Bibles were not available in the back of the pew as they are in Protestant churches. I never saw anyone carry a Bible. We were not encouraged to read the Bible. As Catholics, the extent of our knowledge of Scripture was whatever the priest was reading that Sunday morning, which wasn’t much.
When I finally read the Bible, it felt like I was reading another language. The downright contradictions-and there are too many to ignore-of what the Bible teaches versus Catholic doctrine became evident very quickly. Protestant-to-Catholic conversions confound me. The only way that’s possible, in my opinion, is that the Protestant who converts never really understood the Bible to begin with. There is no natural, logical flow of Catholic doctrine from the Bible. It simply doesn’t follow.
Catholicism, Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses (there are probably others) are very similar in that they use the Bible and the name of Jesus to lend credibility to their faiths, and then they all malign Him and mislead others by exalting their own human doctrine above the Holy Scripture! This is pride and idolatry presenting as “light.” Catholicism is pharisaical in that it exalts its traditions over the clear teachings of the Bible. Jesus warned against just this thing in Matthew 15:
Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God, “he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you, by saying:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
And in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
The only way a catholic would become an evangelical is that they never really knew their faith and what the church teaches. This is the case very often and I suppose it was also your case. Have you ever read the catechism or some catholic theology book? It seems to me that you have not. People who convert to catholicism are very often educated pastors, theologians and generally people who are interested in theology and very much care for the Scripture. People who leave catholicism are very often like you...haven't read the Bible until the were adults, didn't know what really happens during the mass and so on. I would encourage you to consider this and try to be open minded about this. Try to learn what catholicism really stands for from official sources and people who know what are they talking about like Catholic Answers, Reason & Theology and others... I would only add that protestants are not the true biblical christians as they claim, they did not compile the Bible, Catholics did.Only because of the Catholic Church we still have it.
@@mirekzawada7586 I have literally been researching this for years. I am now in my mid 50s. I am convinced more and more each year that Catholicism is a false religion. I have read the Bible many times over, and in fact, teach a daily Bible study. I can confidently say that I have looked into this.
I am Protestant. But it’s amazing when there is discussion on the Apocrypha or additional books. Even scholars seem to avoid the point that the KJV had additional books until the 1880’s.
This helps me so much to understand my friend's Catholic beliefs. Thank you for this Beckett!
Ask Trent Horn on UA-cam
@@annb9029Agreed! Or Dr. Scott Hahn.
Love your channel Beckett!
It’s so true a lot of Catholics aren’t taught about relationship with Jesus just the tradition part.unfortunately parents leave this part mostly to the church and community resources. I was raised catholic and then later in life was introduced to a Protestant church that helped me read the Bible and my love for Jesus bloomed. I read my Bible
Daily and love theology.
I’ve always prayed to know truth and funny enough it led me back to the Catholic Church. The scripture teaching is sound! Everything makes so much more sense now. Yes there corruption - but take a look at scripture hasn’t there always been? Regardless Jesus is present.
I’m so happy to be back in the church Jesus established. One thing is true though; more Catholics need to read their Bible.
My church began weekly Communion celebration a few years ago as part of a continual focus on Jesus. Different elders, incl our pastor, offer weekly Communion, each focusing on different aspects of the sacrament, or different ways to understand it. This is ALWAYS based on scripture ( not opinions) and keeps the sacrament fresh and present. It enriches the blessing of the Lord's Supper. We are blessed with solid, scripture based preaching and teaching, with verse by verse studies of entire books of the Bible. Our pastor is a self- confessed history nerd and teaches the Word in a way that is drawing more and more prople to our church. People are hungry for the Truth ( even in dark Vermont) . God has blessed our congregation....and the quality of our teaching/ preaching is strengthening us for the great trials before us. PTL
Thank you for this❤️
As a Catholic I know we don’t always agree but I appreciate all your videos! Thank you for the explanation of how some Protestant religions view communion as still sacred even though it’s a little different from our beliefs. I have not had encounters with Protestants who believe that way.
You should consider to bring on your show father Chris Alar 🙏
Yes..Consider Fr. Altman
This was so informative. Thank you for doing this interview!
Glad you had him on the show. The rise of Catholic UA-cam and apologetics is something many evangelicals are taken aback by. We need more equipping to handle their claims!
Trent Horn is the best
You mean handle their evidence? 😊
There are so many and there is great intelligence on both sides. I continue to pray that I follow the right doctrine.
That is the point, you can't argue with the truth and facts...
@@AnneTherese.Just seek to fall more in love with Christ, and the rest will fall into place!
THANK YOU‼️❤️❤️
You have said So Much of what affects me!
Well Done for being able to Tackle this stuff
👏👏👏👏
Beckett, you should ask Mike Gendron to come onto your podcast. He was a Roman Catholic for over 30 yrs before becoming protestant. He attended seminary and is an expert on Catholic doctrine. His ministry is entitled Proclaiming the Gospel, and I've learned so much from him.
Mike is the best. ❤
He is not an “expert” on Catholic doctrine. At all. He completely misrepresents the Church. He left a faith he never even knew.
@@GratiaPrima_ why do you say these things? He speaks truth. will you go with the Word of God or man-made extra doctrines?
I love that man! He speaks with such grace & love about the Truth!
@@ybh8fulbecause I know what Catholicism teaches, and practice it. And I’ve heard Mike speak. He doesn’t understand Catholicism. He may not be doing it intentionally, but he lies about the Church.
Loved this conversation. Thank you! It would be so interesting to hear you interview a Catholic theologian, too. I don't know if he gives interviews, but Dr. David Anders would be so interesting to hear interviewed by you.
Totally agree we need a Catholic there too!
The canon of the Bible was compiled by the council of Nicea in 325 AD before the Protestant reformation. So the Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church. It was Protestants who truncated the Bible not the other way around. I find many protestants seem to think that their religion did not descend from Catholicism which is false. Bottom line, there was NO Protestantism in 3rd and 4th century. In addition, there are thousands of Protestant denominations which means you have theological differences amongst yourselves. Were there and are there abuses in Catholic Church? Of course. Were there and are there are there abuses in Protestantism of course. It is because both are managed by human beings who are imperfect and in some cases corrupt.
I believe the canon was compiled at theCouncil of Rome in 382, not Nicea.
How do you not understand that there were Christians that followed only the Bible from the opening bell ? That is true Protestantism. Catholics evolved into a hot mess.
Great video, so helpful. I come from a Catholic background , so I found it VERY helpful historically to find out where and when all these doctrines came from. I like the non judgemental, level headed way Gavin approaches these 'dogmas'. He tells and explains these beliefs exactly as the Catholics explain them too, so we can’t say he lies, distorts or exagerates. Believing in Sola Scriptura now, I agree with him and do not believe in those dogmas, (for 40 years now!).
I like the way at the end of the video how he speaks about the sacraments. How the Protestants could and should use, practise, and revise them, going back to the sources. Because there are things missing too in the protestant services. Thank you both, may the Lord bless and use your ministries.
Oh by the way, I have noticed how, in the Catholic Church in France at least, which is where I see it happen if I go 'home', how Mary has taken a more and more prominent place in the last 25 years at least. The Marial devotion, (culte, as it is called there, meaning great devotion) has more than doubled. I would say a hundred fold increase. When I was a child in the 60s, in Brittany in the little city where we went on holiday, the procession to Mary on 15th august comprised of about 100 to 150 people maximum. In the 80s it disappeared completely for years . Gradually in the last few years, if I am on holiday there on that date, it has became huge. When I last saw it, the procession lasted more than 10 to15 minutes, with hundreds and hundreds of people singing ave Maria while walking six or seven abreast. Incredible. I reckon it restarted with pope John Paul II , the Polish pope. Every mass ends with the prayer to Mary. That’s in france, I haven’t checked any other country.
This was excellent! Dr. Ortlund, many can relate to your gentler approach which demands that we express ourselves firmly in order to be understood. Thank you for articulating that. Thank you both for this wonderful, helpful interview!
Thank you, Becket!! This was SO informative and helpful to learn from. I'm especially appreciative of this UA-cam format, where I can PAUSE, PONDER, and REPEAT to really absorb and consider some of the weightier concepts and conflicts. Your work here is a real Blessing!! God Bless YOU in return!!
Thank you! God Bless
Becket, thank you for this video! I'm always blessed by your content. I do hope you have a Catholic on as well to share the Catholic viewpoint.
Yes..I really love ur show but let's have a Roman Catholic to discuss these dogmas..
BTW..Catholics don't pray to Saints..they ask for their help.. intercession
@@patriciacampbell3413Where do you find that teaching in the Bible?
@@patriciacampbell3413 I'm former Catholic and yes they do pray to saints. Either way they're dead and the Bible warns against praying/ talking to the dead.
This is like asking a Mormon on to discuss their point of view.
@@patriciacampbell3413we ask the Lord for help and that is considered prayer. How is asking saints for help different? To me that's like saying God isn't able, willing or enough. Very dangerous ground.
Wow, I feel like I have homework after this show! Wonderful!
I think it was good but a third person like Catholic apologizist Trent Horn or Michael Lofton would of been even better I like Dr Ortland but he is not Catholic i have have never understood asking people about a Christian tradition and not asking someone that practices it it makes no sense, Dr Ortland is not a Catholic expert he is nice person and tries to be fair but something he said was incorrect
@@annb9029 There are other types of Christians besides Catholics. That is the point. We don't need a Catholic in there every time we want to dialogue to "correct" us on things.
Mary worship, bowing to an image or statue, asking her to pray for you is all works of evil and sin of idolatry and must be repented from. It’s a work of the flesh, Christians are born again and to walk in the Holy Spirit. We aren’t to be living in willful habitual sin. I hope and pray Catholics repent of this.
I accept the (Roman) Catholic view, but very much appreciate your fairness and your efforts to understand. Real ecumenism does not underplay the seriousness of these disagreements or try to create a specious unity by ignoring them.
Becket, thank you for addressing this topic! I have a couple of very close family members who have turned to Roman Catholicism and to Greek Orthodoxy 😔😔, and I know other people in my circles who have followed the same path or are considering doing the same. Church traditions + church history and fathers play a crucial role in convincing them that those churches preach the correct Gospel message. Sadly, they come to believe that the Bible is not sufficient, that Jesus + works is the way to heaven, and other questionable and erroneous ideas. Thank you for introducing us to Gavin Ortlund and his channel! There’s so much to learn about these areas (e.g., traditions, history, fathers) to be better prepared to answer questions. Thank you 💛
I live in a Catholic country, where, by tradition, 95% of the population are baptized in the Catholic Church from birth. This church has an absolute monopoly on God here. Unfortunately, I don't know any Catholic who truly trusts Jesus. I left the catholic church, and sometimes it's really hard to translate this to my family, they are so far away from true christianity and Jesus.
@@kasial2335I can relate. I also grew up in a mostly Catholic country. The most powerful thing to do is pray that God will open their eyes to the truth and love them. This is what I’m learning to do.
@@paxetgratia Yes, all that's left is prayer. They are deaf to arguments. When I told my 7-year-old daughter that I was reading the Bible, they reacted with horror. They were terrified!😐
That's sad. I am blessed to know many Catholics who are absolutely in love with our Lord. Let's not caricature their tradition with oversimplifications
@kasia i guess you are from Poland as I am😊 It's very sad what you Just said. I am catholic, absolutely in love with our Lord and I do read the Scripture every day, it's so inspiring! Just one question what church did Christ established? I will keep you in my prayers.
I love Dr. Gavin Ortlund debates/dialogues with Catholic apologeticians. Thank you for bringing him to your show. As a Catholc, I thank God for purgatory. It is an extension of His great mercy and the due justice to repair/reflect about the wrong I have done to others. See Mathew 5:26 and 1Corinthians 3:15.
I agree.
Thank God for Purgatory!
They are civil and really help with gaining knowledge.
What's sad to me is you don't think Christ's death fulfilled the payment for our sins - His sacrifice was not sufficient. You still believe you have to atone for your sins, while at the same time denying Christ fully atoned for your sins. Hebrews says as clear as day He atoned for our sins once and for all - and He does not need to be killed over and over like bulls and goats had to be.
If you'd stick with what the Bible says and the Bible alone - essentially trust God over man then you wouldn't be deceived.
You cannot atone for your sins, and at this present moment if you believe in any way shape or form you need to atone for your sins then you're not born again and trusting in the finished work of Jesus Christ. I'll leave it to Christ to finish this post.
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
John 19:30
Please stop trusting in yourself and place your trust in Jesus Christ.
@@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior Friend, when we die, Jesus does not wave a magic wand to cleanse us from our sins, welcome us into heaven, and end of the story. Rather, he cleanses our hearts, so that as we begin our eternal rest, we may see our earthly lives from God’s perspective and enter a state of vigor and great anticipation to worship him in heaven (as some commentators have put it to explain Psalm 23). The pain and punishment that we will experience in purgatory is knowing that our souls are not ready to be with him until we have paid our debts on those whom we wronged on earth. Jesus has saved us from hell, but not from the effects that our sins caused on others. In a merciful act to restore our Christ-like dignity, he will allow us to make up for the effects of our sins while in purgatory. There is a final benefit about purgatory. Think about it as if Jesus will explain you the “why” for everything in your life and upon receiving an answer, you will no longer have distress in heaven as you see things unfold on earth. Hence, we will experience perpetual peace and we will not be blinded by his dazzling light as we see Jesus face to face (Mark 9:3 and Acts 9:3).
He doesn't shout like other prots because he is softening to catholic teachings.
Excellent clarifications & growing up Catholic I needed to hear. A very happy Christian now. Thank you Becket.
Dr Gavin is respectful
Will Becket also interview Trent Horn, who is famous from "Catholic Answers"? He was also the debate partner of Gavin. :)
You should have Dr. Scott Hahn on. It kinda makes me crazy when non Catholics try to explain catholic teaching. I was in a convent for ten years- studied theology. I will ALWAYS love Our Lady and I honestly feel sad for those of you who don’t know her. At the cross Our Lord said- This is your mother… he was talking to his church. No one worships her (she wouldn’t want to be worshipped- only God is worshipped). But y’all are going to be so pleasantly surprised when you go to Heaven and see her roll in your life. She loves you all and wants you in heaven with her son. She is a friend with connections- don’t ignore her. Haha. Please don’t say anything mean about this text or her. Would you seriously say something rude about JESUS’ Mother?! No. If you love Jesus- you wouldn’t speak poorly of her.
She was a precious woman or the Father wouldn’t have chosen her… but… she isn’t sinless… so why not always go to the sinless Most Holy One… Jesus💝♥️
There is only one that you should pray to and that's Jesus Christ...
Mary is not the Saviour but she certainly points to Him and she intercedes if you ask her. It takes time and the Rosary is a way of meditation that gives Grace.
She is the Mother of the Most High Jesus the Father’s only begotten Son and the spouse of the Holy Ghost and so much more.
The rejection of Mary is the reason why Protestants are desperate to lean on Sola Fide Sola Scriptura and Gracias. They have lost their way.
Catholics are in the same struggle but they can lean on Our Mother for faith, scripture and full of Grace.
Remember the Catholic Church did make the Scriptures into the Bible. The tradition is mostly the history of the Saints.
Without the Saints nobody would have understood what being a Christian meant.
@@drrepair NEVER CALL HER THE SPOUSE OF THR HOLY SPIRIT. Even your own teaching forbid that! Or I should hope it does. A Muslim might hear such nonsense and affirm their worst thoughts about us.
My goodness, can you even hear yourself. Our problem is that we don't revere Mary as you all do?
God in heaven. I have heard you Roman Catholics say words to Mary that you have never said of Jesus, talk to her more than Jesus who gave His own life for you. Pretending Mary is our mother (she isn't. Heaven's forbid), why would I, as Christ's bride, shower such affections on his mother and not Him? I'll call it as I see it, it is idolatry.
You all can say it isn't, but that's what it is.
Here's something mean.
I feel sad for Roman Catholics that have left their bridegroom for His mother.
I'm glad that she doesn't know what's happening here (surely y'all don't say she's omniscient). If she did, she'll be miserable at what is being done in her name.
She played her most wonderful role and retired into obscurity as a faithful servant would, but you dug her up and even elevated her "body and soul into heaven."
Isn't Jesus enough for you people? You have the father, son, and spirit from all eternity! Isn't that enough? You'll depend and lean on a mortal human being! I won't lean on Mary, pray to her, long for her. I won't ever do that to a mere mortal like myself. That, no matter the mental gymnastics you all do, is idolatry.
Most importantly, I have to say first that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, first and foremost. Thank you both for the very respectful debate. I was raised Protestant but became Catholic as an adult and would never, ever go back. This focus on the validity of the apocrypha, purgatory etc ignores a much more serious problem with Protestantism: Protestants threw out Communion and Confession to their massive detriment. Both sacraments were instituted by Jesus himself as recorded in the Gospels. Soooo why do Protestants even claim to be following Sola Scriptura but shrug off such fundamental practices that were instituted by Christ AND practiced faithfully by the very earliest Christians (including belief in transubstantiation, insistence by Jesus in the practice: read John 6)? I certainly understand Protestant skepticism of the Magisterium, Marian devotion etc, but the rejection of confession and communion is extremely problematic. Protestants are essentially saying that Christianity was in error for 1500 years until Martin Luther came along. Pretty similar to what Mormons believe, ie reinstating ‘true’ Christianity.
There’s also the huge problem of widespread heresy among the thousands of Protestant denominations in Calvinism and the prosperity gospel. Sola fide and once saved always saved are also completely wrong and pretty nefarious deception (read Matthew 25, it’s quite clear on these issues). Just had to point that out, God bless
I'm a Protestant and I agree with you. Catholics have done a wonderful job of maintaining the sacraments. Protestants have done a wonderful job of putting scripture first, but we have lost our way when it comes to the sacraments. I think both can learn from each other. Keep in mind that "protestantism", if there is such a thing, encompasses a HUGE spectrum of doctrinal beliefs. Conservative Lutherans, some Anglicans, and even some Baptist sects do still affirm the real presence and confession. For all the extra-biblical dogmas, corruption, and abuse in the Catholic church, they have at least maintained unity and reverence for sacred tradition. Both branches have their problems and I think we all need humility to acknowledge that Christ is maintaining His church despite our sinfulness.
@@mzmPACman amen! We are all serving the same God. I am well aware of the many deficiencies of the Catholic Church as well, and pray for the day when all Christians are united in prayer and worship 🙏. Thanks
@m.miller7674 Untrue! Lutherans explicitly reject transubstantiation. Catholics are the only church that believe in the true presence. That's the main difference between protestants and Catholics.
@@mzmPACman great responses by both of you. Thank you. The abuses by those treacherous priests in the Catholic Church are brought home to me as I witness our priests and their incredible pastoral care of our young people in our parish. My blood curls when i consider those priests who have so betrayed the Church of Christ to use the trust established by centuries of good holy men to abuse innocent children or young men. It is even worse when you consider that their hands are consecrated in their ordination. So the abuse is so far beyond evil it is difficult to contemplate. That being said, the fact that these men refused to conform to the moral laws imposed upon them by the Church does not reflect upon the Church - it reflects upon them (& the ideology that allowed them) and it does not reflect upon the many good holy priests. Also, the abuses within the church received the most publicity but are tiny in comparison to the secular world and even other religions. The fact of the abuses and the growth of woke in today’s society has made me appreciate the traditions of the Church- I can remember when the ideologies that allowed these infiltrations first appeared- under the guise of ‘modernising’ and ‘making relevant’. It makes me appreciate the wisdom of holy mother church in her teachings.
Mormons reistating Christianity? Not true at all. Mormonism is not Christian whatsoever. They deny Jesus as God and do not believe in the Trinity, just for one error. They are a cult.
I would LOVE for Dr. Ortlund to do a show with Pints with Aquinas to discuss all of this! Thanks, Beckett, for another excellent recommendation.
Ooohhh. That's a great idea. PWA is so sympathetic to Christians of different teachings.
I'm Catholic. I like your show
Just some thoughts, from a Catholic-
The first thing I'd like to say is that I really appreciate the effort that Dr. Ortlund goes to be respectful toward Catholic beliefs, even though he himself does not believe them and even strongly objects to them in cases. I know there has been a fair amount of bad blood between Protestants and Catholics, so an effort to dialogue in a respectful manner is something I think is vital to mend the schism between us.
The thing that most concerns me is actually a topic that was only briefly touched on in this interview; the Protestant and Evangelical idea of being "saved". It's true that a person who is baptized is born again and saved, but that does not necessarily mean that Heaven is guaranteed for that person. God can open the gate to Heaven, but that does not necessarily mean you have to walk through it. I guess my big concern is that someone will take their trust in God and turn it into presumption; they may think that because Heaven is guaranteed they can therefore live in unrepentant mortal sin and it will be fine once they die.
There are some other topics I would like to give my thoughts on; one is the topic of Purgatory. The main scriptural passage that comes to mind for Purgatory is Jesus' parable of the unforgiving servant. Because the servant was unforgiving of those indebted to him, he was handed over to the torturers by his lord until the last penny of his debt to his lord was paid. The way that would have worked would have been that he would been ransomed by his family and friends, and in a similar manner we can pray for those in Purgatory to more quickly pay off their debts. I also want to emphasize that this happened because the servant was unforgiving. This is why Jesus says, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Jesus also says ". . . do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well." If your "measure" is to return evil with good, then God in turn will repay your sins with good.
With regard to the dogmas of the assumption of Mary and the Immaculate Conception, I feel that these teachings are intrinsically connected to the Sacrament of Baptism. Original sin exists because of the Fall of Adam and Eve, and we are initially born into the family of Adam and Eve, which communally connects us to their sin. Baptism is a rebirth into the Holy family, with Jesus standing in as the new Adam and Mary standing in as the new Eve. That's why Baptism washes away original sin and all other sins. This wouldn't work, however, if Mary wasn't both free of original sin and also sinless, because we'd just end up being attached to her sins instead. This is why I believe Mary must have been conceived without original sin, and it is also why I believe Mary must have been assumed, since death is the consequence of sin, and Mary had to be sinless in order for Baptism to work.
With regard to the idea of Sola Scriptura, I feel obligated to point out that the Bible was compiled by the Church. If the Bible is infallible than so is the authority of the Church that chose what books were included in it. They didn't, for example, include the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Judas, and we don't include those as part of scripture. I also feel like I should point out that that the Deuterocanonical books were included in the Bible by that same authority.
Lastly, I wanted to talk about transubstantiation. This one is difficult because it's hard to understand (this saying is hard, who can accept it). My main thought would be to look at the Eucharistic miracles, such as the Miracle of Lanciano and the more recent miracle involving Blessed Alexandrina of Balazar who reportedly survived on the Eucharist for 13 years, 40 days of which were under strict observation by doctors.
I hope that more fruitful discussions will arise in the future.
Good comment.
I agree!
@@alhilford2345 Thank you!
Your defense of Mary is full of unprovable assumptions.
@@LemonLimeJuiceBarrell It's true that it's basically a chain of logic that hinges on my understanding of what Baptism is, although that understanding came after a lot of contemplation and I don't know how to understand Baptism in any other way.
I actually think that the Protestant concern that Mary should always come after God in the thoughts of Christians is laudable, although I don't think most Catholics would dare to put Mary above God. I do, however, believe that Mary is of vital importance and should be recognized for that.
@@j_peregrin3036:
Regarding the Immaculate Conception, and Our Lady's bodily assumption into Heaven, have you heard of Fetal Microchimerism?
I found it fascinating, and it could explain why God would not want His mother's body to be buried and rot in the ground.
Google it!
I do not understand why people who identify as Roman Catholic get super defensive when you tell them that there is no biblical evidence for purgatory. This should be good news, why are they mad that there is no purgatory? In the end, the elevator either goes up or down, there is not a pitstop in the middle that acts as a supernatural time out chair. Show me a spot in the 66 books that I have that says that I am wrong and I will humbly retract my statement.
A Catholic might want to defend their faith. There is scriptural support for the existence of Purgatory but Protestants do not accept that understanding of those scripture verses. Why would you expect a Catholic to just accept your understanding of Christianity?
As a Catholic, I am so thankful that God created the Purgative state.
Without Purgatory I would have no chance of getting to Heaven.
I’m Catholic and I respect you both.
Very good. Let the truth speak for itself. If there are conflicting ideas, only one of them can be true. It’s vital to determine what that is. I’m a former catholic that became born again before I ever even knew what Protestantism was. You’ll find many Catholics commenting that they want ‘their side’ equally represented. There should only be a desire to be on the side of truth.
There is One Truth, but only God knows it fully. The Holy Protocanonical Scriptures, the Triune God, Jesus the Godman's life, death, and resurrection to take away our sins - all these core truths every Orthodox Christian tradition shares. In a world of spiritual and moral decay, it's most important that we recognize our Oneness in Christ and use our particular strengths to work as His Body to draw all men to the Love of God through Jesus Christ.
That said, as an evangelical Protestant, I find these discussions riveting! I love studying Church history and all the nuanced perspectives therein. I think as a general rule, it's important to represent as accurately as possible the contested opinion. I think Gavin largely did that well here, except tor a few points here and there
I don’t ‘oneness’ with groups who share a false gospel.
You lost Jesus in the Eucharist. He told you in John 6 This is my body. Not represents, not symbols.