NEW Fire Alarm Test at a Local High School - SYSTEM UPDATED!
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- This is a new test/inspection at the same Local High School featured in the original video here on my channel. I did the best I could to follow a similar path while also trying to show some more of the system in action.
At the end I provide an explanation of the changes and a tour of the system panel.
I filmed this one on a GoPro and did the best I could to correct for the fisheye/distorted view, but it's still a little noticeable. Enjoy!
6:48 sounds like the neighbor running chainsaws and lawnmowers at 7:00 AM on a Saturday
6:42 sounds like a engine inside a GFL mcneilus freight-liner garbage truck.
6:25 I men’t to say
Man I love mechanical horns, reminds me of those old videos made by SimplexTech, good times. Nice seeing you still post occasionally, I remember watching your old system tests with the 4001 and single stroke bells.
I love seeing updates like this! Makes it so much more interesting! Thank you for taking the time to do this!
Thank you! I have good news then - I just found a THIRD test of this school on an old media card - one I have absolutely zero memory of making. I'll get it processed and posted soon!
That’s so cool! I watched that old video many times and to see you go back to the same school again is so cool!
My favorite video you ever made was this highschool. I loved how they swapped a few things here and there, it is a pretty sweet upgrade!
10:45 Yes I'm sure! **Bleep** **Bleep**
idk why but I found that funny at the end.
I don't remember what I said but probably wasn't polite.
Glad to see you're still doing videos!
They should consider taking a flathead screwdriver to the back tab to fix the raspy sounds on the horns that want to quit at first sight
Espically for the one in the cafeteria and at the beginning of the video
It’s sad that the 4005 is gone. I’ve always loved those panels
Sounds like that cafeteria one needs replacing.
Yep - that was an ongoing saga with that place - unfortunately I don't know the outcome. We didn't want to put any more different AVs in that place and I always let them know to have Simplex come replace it but as far as I know it never happened.
@@brettman273 I would replace that device on the spot. I don’t care how many different AVs are there if it works, it works.
@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign I agree. But in this case it was always an argument because there were a lot of people involved. They would insist they wanted to have Simplex do it (which I actually agreed with) because we'd already replaced one with a non Simplex and everyone wanted to avoid that. So I'd agree and then they never did. Ias far as the inspection goes, there were a ton of AVs in that system, so one not working isn't a fail and it isn't really an emergency. In the scope of things it wasn't a huge deal.
I agree
that fire alarm really needs a good tune up
The first mech horn is shaking itself off
Looks like the horn in the cafeteria never learned its lesson from the original beating lol
Geez, that SpectrAlert Advance is nothing compared to the electromechanical Simplex horn/strobes!
Nice Simplex 4007ES panel! It reminds me of the one at the art center at my friend's university, but it's replacing a Simplex 4002 panel from the early 1990s, and all the alarms are Simplex 4906-9127 TrueAlert horn/strobes, with most of them mounted on 4050-80 light plates replacing old Simplex 4051 horns (before the 4002, the panel was a Simplex 4208, and its' cabinet is still there but used for terminal wiring.)
Love those classic EM horns! (even if several are rough)
Yep, me too. Unfortunately they're all starting to go - looks like 30-ish years is about their lifespan more or less.
@@brettman273 honestly. how? they just sit there idle most of the time.
@@TheJakeman789 Because the Electromechanical Horns have a vibratone that makes the loud sound and over time the vibratone parts deteriorate such as rusting or oxidizing which will affect the sound that horn makes such as the Electromechanical Horn sound will decrease in pitch or it will start to sound raspy as its being powered from FWR (Full Wave Recifited Current).
It would probably take about 50 years (2040) after the manufacturing date (1990) for the Simplex 4903-9219 Electromechanical Horns to no longer function as the pitch of the horn sound will have gotten so low and the raspyness has gotten so extreme that the horns won't sound ot sound very quiet which means the Simplex 4903-9219s will get replaced with Simplex Truealert ES Horn Strobes with all of the existing audible/visual signals
@@joeycaridi3030 The last school I was at, the '9833s next to the gym, seemed quiet! And that's when only at or around 12 years old! But a lot of them work fine on the campus!
Also those in the school in this video, are probably newer than 1990. 1990 most likely would be a 2901-9838 maybe '9816??? The worst, are the ones next to the gym and they really need a tech to check that out.
@@brettman273 I saw a dead one at only 10-something years in! Right near the P.E. teacher's office. That 2903-9101 got a System Sensor MA horn in the very-late-1990s, likely 1998. Then the frankenmadness came in, suddenly not long after, there was a Wheelock MT installed right next to the gym emergency exits, but too close to the 2903-9101 with the System Sensor MA, IMHO. The other 2 '9833s were still working and it looked like none of those were taken out, when I toured that building on March 20, 2010 (after leaving on November 11, 2002)
Noticing from the video. This school doesn't appear to be sprinkled. Probably grandfathered by AHJ in the 90s
The first horn sounds horrible 💀
0:06 has a raspy horn
Hi there! Would you mind possibly sharing another video of your ibm panel? That thing is sooo cool! Nice to see your back!!!
That panel is currently buried in a pile of stuff but yes, I will dig it out at some point.
The legend returns
Lol I don't know about legend, but yep I'm back.
nice that test was pretty good
First horn sounds like its trying to communicate via fsk. Lol
Reminds me of the fire alarms at my old elementary school. Was just a constant buzz except it didn’t have the strobe lights on the units.
I wish simplex had a way or something to clean the dust or something inside the horn so it doesn’t sound rusty all the time.
That pull station pull mechanism sounds like a Minecraft door
That’s too bad that the horn in the cafeteria is dead but the strobe still works.
Nice, welcome back. It’s nice to see an electromechanical horn system with all the different pitches. Just curious, do you have any more of the inspection vids, like more of the middle school one from 2016, this one, or any other ones?
Yes, I do have more but not from the middle school unfortunately. I have one more from the high school I just found, and a few others. I also am going to do some new ones.
Are there horn strobes in the bathrooms
they really need to upgrade some of those horns because they are really shot!
They aren't planning on replacing the system, but they might replace some alarms if some malfunction.
The alarm at 6:50 Wasn’t shown in the old test!
Looks like that cafeteria horn finally croaked. Several devices also sound REALLY unhealthy. Honestly, i would gut the system and upgrade the whole thing. I did see that the 4005 got replaced which is a start, but honestly the system is in dire need of a FULL upgrade.
Maybe the little metal piece in the horn can be moved where it changes the pitch. My horn sounded horrible and I adjusted the metal piece and now it sounds clear.
Possibly, but for the most part the weak sounding horns were either in very dirty, very greasy, or very humid areas (basements, kitchens, pools, etc)
@@brettman273 Most of these horns don't technically die, they just get out of tune that they sound sickly or don't sound at all. Simply retuning them will make them work good as new again
@@Leafy597 that's correct in most cases; however, the majority of the bad AVs in this school were in areas where the environment was reducing their lifespan: near the pool, near kitchens, etc. So grease and caustic air was adhering to the disc in the horn. Smacking the served to loosen up the crap on them I believe in retrospect. And to be fair I was also smacking the to make the video more entertaining because they'd been exhibiting the same issues in several previous inspections.
I've never heard one like this before
6:31 when you forget about the door closing behind you
The simplex 4903 is considered to be one of my favorite devices but some of the mechanical horns are a bit scratchy
That first one sounds sick
Yeah, I'm gonna assume that's humid chlorine pool air that's done that over the years....
@@brettman273 The humid chlorine pool air also caused the strobe on the first one to not work
@@joeycaridi3030fine with me
Farewell 4005, Hello 4007ES. Since the last video of this system, I noticed that a few more 4903 A/Vs are starting to slowly get very scratchy. The one 4903 A/V in the cafeteria from the last video that was very scratchy looks like it gave up, only the strobe now.
Yep. And based on how the company that does it now handles fire inspections, I'd assume nothings been done about it. Regardless of rules and codes, in reality it's on the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) to enforce it...in NY that's the city, town, or village. And in my experience that's usually way low on the priority list unless something bad happens.
Yeah, but at least all if not most of the alarms are still there!
What kind of alarms were in the bathrooms?
Those horn strobes sound like bees buzzing‘s
Nice Test i would love that !!
The first horn still sounds broken. But honestly seems ok
If I had to guess I'd say it's probably still broken 6 years later. The problem wasn't the people at the location, it was the company I was with at the time - they didn't regularly follow up on this stuff....
i had a fire drill here today and i noticed the strobe by the fitness center wasn't flashing...lol
Thanks for telling that because I thought the strobe wasn't showing up on camera as it's a thing where fire alarm strobes don't appear on camera as it misses one flash (very common) or alot of flashes (uncommon). 60 frames per second doubles the chance of the camera picking up the strobe flashes than 30 frames per second
Ur back!
Did thay fixed the alarm in the cafeteria yet because it sounds all-full and it needs to be replaced because it seems like it doesn’t work anymore
Do the classrooms have horn strobes or remote strobes?
Based off my research on this school, the classrooms have strobe only. And to my knowledge, all the simplex A/V's are still in service to this day. This video here according to Brett was in February 2018. So I imagine many more horns are on their way out
07:05 How do all of the Edwards Genesis Horn Strobes Synchronize with each other on a Simplex System?
There must be an EST or compatible NAC expander that I never found somewhere in the auditorium area. It may sound odd that someone who inspected the system might be unaware of equipment, but I can tell you it's not hard to miss things, especially when they aren't documented. That auditorium was renovated at the same time those AVs were added, long before I took it over. I'm sure I could have found it if I'd started taking things apart and tracing, but it always worked and we never got any troubles from that part so we just let it be...
Better answer: see the comment I made on the other video.
@@firealarmveteran15 I'd recommend repeating for the benefit of other readers, I probably won't take the time to go look for your original comment and they may not either.
Copied from that other comment I made (this is my alt account, firealarmveteran15 is my main account).
"The A/V's in the auditorium are capable of auto-syncing with each other. I've witnessed this at my middle and high schools, as well as in my collection (I own one of those alarms, alongside a remote strobe version, as well as an older EST alarm with similar functionality). Someone had already pointed this out, but I wanted to point out my personal experience."
Awesome. Was the dialers disabled during the bell test
No; I left everything enabled and put the account on test so central station ignores the signals but I was able to check them on my app. That's usually how I did most inspections unless it was an addressable system that sent every zone through on walk test... On an analog dialer it would get backlogged with signals.
Eugh! I hate continuous SO much!
Some Of Them Sound Like 7002T’s
Cool!
OK first of all just 2 complains …….. AT 0:06 THAT ALARM HAS SUTCH A TERRIBLE HORN AND THE ALARM AT 3:23 SOUNDS LIKE THE INTRO OF A SCARY MOVIE LIKE IF I HEARD THAT AT MY SCHOOL IM GETING OUT OF THAT PLACE LIKE IMMEDIATELY…
But all they need is horn replacements ..
YESS ITS BEEN FOREVER!
5:20 new one ☝️
I thought you cussed
Definitely possible, though I tried not to.
Curse words are just words
@@catsgame9282 No they're not because some people get offended by them espically for thoes who have sensory issues like Autism, they're little kids, or they don't like thoes words and some people will not like it in a good sentence like "nice [CENSORED] day we're having" and there's also people who don’t like swearing at all because they're afraid they'll offend someone.
Some people don't like swearing (like me) because it strong emotional reaction to swearing because it taps directly into some of our earliest experiences. When we are small children learning a language, we are often punished for using swear words. This pairing of swearing with bad consequences can leave a strong mark because they're offensive to be used in any conversation.
On the internet however with UA-cam some users don't want to have swear words in their videos because they want their videos family friendly even if the video is made by adults or teenagers or kids.
They can't be used on live TV and radio because obscenity is not protected by the First Amendment, it is prohibited on cable, satellite and broadcast TV and radio. This means that if you swear the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) will fine you in a grand number (like $10K). This is the reason why censorship of profanity exists.
Another thing too is that if you practice a religion like if you go to church every Sunday should know that swearing or using blasphemous words is a sin according to Ephesians 4:29 and they don't want anyone to swear at them.
2:38 Sounds Awful
Hey went to a hotel with fire alarms that look andd sound likke That in the dark room with chairs with a stairs to a panel with a water park it’s the great wolf lodge in poconos Pennsylvania
Cool
I heard that you can order the last of Simplex's stock of 4903 series Horn-strobes left over after discontinuation for use for replacing devices that have broken down. Is that true?
for 4903 they will send conventional truealert
yeah simplex aint makin the 4903s anymore
No idea, Simplex annoys me. Proprietary nonsense that aftermarket techs are left to deal with when owners are tired of paying too much. Thankfully for the most part the actual Simplex techs out in the field are pretty easy to work with, and usually don't care about that and will help with documents, knowledge, etc.
@@simplysimplex7823Actually, Simplex still manufactures the Selectable versions of the Simplex 4903 to replace older 90's Electromechanical and Electronic Horn Strobes and of course Speaker Strobes.
What and where is this high school?
Are all the horns powered off of the Simplex 4007's NACs?
I don't remember 100% but I think some were and the rest were on NAC exppanders off the main panel. It's been a while....
Are all the horms powered off of the simplex 4007s nacs?
@@davidallende2426 I thought more about ut this and no, everything was powered from NAC expanders. Nothing fancy, just steady out from the NAC on the panel to a few explandrers sprinkled around the building. I don't remember anything more specific than that.
Nah the gym is kinda satisfying but the beginning sounds like a chainsaw with my dads mower from 2006
what the heck is it supposed to sound like that
Wow nice tesst
Thank
At the end were you got frustrated with the panel lol
You have anymore schools coming up by chance?
I no longer do schools at this point unfortunately but I do have some older videos I found of tests that I'll post. I also have some new different types of larger facilities that I inspect now that I'd like to do videos on but I'll have to navigate through getting permission because of what they are. I should be able to get some of them... So sadly no more of this place but I have more similar coming.
@@brettman273 As long as you have SOMETHING that you will upload that sounds good. Bonus points if it is long. Double bonus points if its electromechanical horns.
@@brettman273 how about the video at the local middle school.
Wow raspier than before
The horn in the beginning sounded awful!!!
1:38 Sounds Good But 1:53 Just Ruins It
What were the alarms in the auditorium?
EST Genesis models, GIRF-HDVM I believe
@@aidanthetoiletelevatorfire7554 Ok, thanks for telling me
old video revisit!
Simplex Horns and Est genesis
A System Sensor SpectrAlert Advance too
Fire Alarm Simplex 2015 - 2021
Choking ducks. Wheelock?
Simplex mostly, with a SpectrAlert Advance and some EST Genesis too
is that fwr or dying 4903s
It has a dying horn Mike.
@@FireRescue80 oh no poor 4903
Typical when These Electro Mechanical 4903s age along on where they're installed, they start to wear out and get very scratchy to turning itself into a strobe only device like the one in the cafeteria.
I agree with the others, it's probably not the result of FWR. The metal horn elements get covered in dust, grease, and goo over the years depending on the environment and it alters the physics of them thereby changing the tone. In short, they get dirty.
@@brettman273 how good would it sound after cleaning
That’s one god awful sound