Toyota Celica GT 7th Gen | The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly…
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
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I miss mine 😢 gts was crazy underrated, it makes u think if this car was in the first or second fast and the ferous this car would be nonstop talked about 😕
@@raptor6329it was in the second and fourrh that I noticed in the background
@@vince3425 Fortunately enough, it being underrated and unseen made it a perfect choice to get into the car scene for relatively cheap, plus it's a Toyota. Unfortunately that isn't the case anymore. Everyone is waking up to the Celica, they're buying it/crashing it or keeping it stock to sell as an investment into the future.
@@thekrimsonchin6023Ive seen a couple upwards of 10k on facebook marketplace 🥲 highest was 16k
I personally really like the sound. Being a rally fan since i was a kid, an aggressive inline four always just had this mean vibe to me. Small animal, but it's got teeth
When this came out my friend had one and he drove it like a maniac.
Thank you for your very comprehensive review. You might be interested to know that not only are these great cars for young folks, but this 76-yr-old woman finds them utterly charming and sporty enough looking for my needs. My 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 with 296K miles is still purring like a kitten BECAUSE I HAVE TAKEN GOOD CARE OF IT, and I plan to do the same with the 2001 Celie GT I'm picking up tomorrow. One owner, meticulously taken care of, and it has only 33,000 miles on it -- for $2,500 (this is on the West Coast). I'm so excited! Maybe I'll see you on the highway, young man. I'll be the little old lady wearing the purple hat and scarf and a huge grin on my face as I'm passing you 😉I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos. Live long and prosper!
That's awesome! You have really good taste geez. Most people your age would just be driving a prius or some boring brand new GM car. I don't see too many of these around, but even at 37, I feel like a little kid driving my GT-S haha. Good to have fun in your life. Also 95 Cherokee is an extremely good pick, best Jeep ever made.
@@rushnerd A quote from one of my favorite authors seems appropriate: "Each Day and the Living of It has to be a Conscious Creation in which Discipline and Order are relieved with some Play and some Pure Foolishness." --May Sarton (I lean heavily toward Play and Pure Foolishness, hence the Celi.)😁
i am turning 15 in april and when i start driving i definitely am thinking abt getting one 🙏🏽
I have my gts going on 324,000 miles never had major issues and I can say they are pretty realible fun to drive, but like most cars it's also depending on who is behind the wheel... buying a new engine soon so I can try to get 250-300 out of it, would prefer all motor but most likely will go supercharger👌
324k miles on stock unopened 2zzge mate???
@@DimoS... toyotas are pretty reliable as long as you dont abuse them, some of the best engines have came from the toyota factory.
@@shroomiestshroom3655 yes mate but is unbelievable impressive for engine to live in 8.200+ rpm!!! I own a corolla tsport with 100.000 kilometers and I'm very glad with this
Hell yeah sounds good bro what engine are you planning on dealing
That's great! Mine is at 186k and still running strong.
7th gen 2000 GT, 2ZZ-GE w/ 6 speed swap, 1ZZ baffled oil pan, Exedy clutch, K&N short ram intake, MWR Stage 2 cams, Apexi standalone ECU with a decent MWR tune, Innova axle back and MWR mid pipe, rear disc swap, Tein springs 1.5 inch, energy suspension urethane bushings all around, GT-S wheels, Megan Racing strut tower braces front and rear.
Never had a misfire issue in either the original or swap engine. The problem with oil burning was in the 2000 to 2002 1ZZ in the GT models. The oil control rings would get caked up because of insufficient drainage. Toyota fixed it by putting more drain holes in the piston oil grooves in the later models.
What I have isn't the fastest car on the streets by far but it's faster than stock GT-S and it will certainly leave the straight line boys in the dust in the twistys.
TOGUE!!!!
I had an 03 GTS and even for being automatic it was a fun car. Changing the oil in the 2zz regularly is definitely a must do. The trans seized on me, replaced it and never had another issue. As long as you take care of it and don't abuse it too much it'll last a long time. Kinda regret selling mine but it is what it is.
I really like these videos as they show me cars I have a better chance of owning 💯
Awesome content as always mark
Bought one last year with a pretty new Matrix engine with only 25k kms on it for 3500 CAD. Perfect interior, zero body scratches. Bought it mostly for my 19 year old son, but I found I was driving it more than my BMW 328 xdrive last summer. Super fun to drive the clutch. Super good on gas. A friend of mine is looking for one near Montreal and none to be found less than 10k.
I installed sports shock absorbers, a lightweight flywheel and a stage 2 racing clutch on my 143 HP and it became the most agile car in the world!
6th Gen Honda Civic & Si
Love these vids tho🖤
Tbh I think the engine is great. 8800 red line, which I'm surprised you didn't mention, it basically has V-TEC (VVTL-I), they love turbocharging, and 192... is not low HP, yall are just way to used to large displacement cars, like... 192hp from a 1.8 is really fucking good
the highest factory redline it came with is 8500
@@arcanevoid9199 as owner of 1 TRD sports M T231, i approve this message.
@@King_Of_Cats85 i want that sport m body kit so bad 🥺
Ni en sueños se acerca aún Honda ni en prestaciones y mucho menos en fiabilidad el 2zzge nisiquiera tiene lsd autoblocante y tiene unas prestaciones muy cortas y serios problemas de fiabilidad es un deportivo con calidad china cutre un deportivo para niñas
The car used in the thumbnail is my car!! Thanks 4 using it!! I still drive it with pleasure!
ahhh i requested this vid thanks boss✊🏾
236k miles on my gts, if you do basic maintenance it will run forever
I just bought a 200k GT for $800. Let's see if I regret this. I named my car Naraku (Inuyasha)
@@Remrie nah just give it a good once over and a tune up and have fun with it
Mine is at 186k. Transmission is going out but it'll be like brand new once I get that replaced. Great reliable car.
@@anh7807 good thing is the transmission is tiny and easy to find/replace. They’re also not expensive at all
Usually the missfire is due to a sticky valve, its a known problem of this engine but its a cheap repair. Also the interesting fact is that is that the 142hp engine is as jumpy as the 192 till like 6000rpm. Also the 142 is way more reliable, its good to know
thats not really true, a 2zz with no lift would still be faster than a 1zz. also the having 6 shorter gears also makes quite a difference, and the 140 isnt more reliable
@@arcanevoid9199 nope a 2zz thats not in lift won't even come close to a 1zz, valve timing is just limited in what it can do also i don't know about the shitty american gt but the euro version still comes in 6 speed whit slightly longer gears to match the gearing of the gts and about reliability well they both have the same defects whit the 2zz having more shit breaking such as lift bolts oil pumps and shit oil pan the 1zz other than drinking oil which lets be honest 2zz might be slightly better but not enough to be an abyss of difference
@@cristianseminario7899 i mean it would, a 2zz with no lift still makes more power than a 1zz. and europe is the only market that got 6 speed 1zz celicas, so not really a good point. 2zz doesnt burn oil at all compared to 1zz, lift bolts is a non issue as they have been fixed by toyota and dont cause any damage when broken. oil pump and oil pan are not great on both engines, stop trying to defend the 1zz. its just a boring economy engine
1zzfe had oil burn problems before 2003
the 2zzge is very reliable and those who had problems had 1st because they were running at turns above 1.1g of lateral pressure and as you know because it has no baffles the oil pan is starved of oil and break and 2nd the models before 2003 had problems with the gear selector resulting in 4th instead of putting in 5th, it went into 3rd and at 10,000+ rpm the valves stuck
it's a very reliable engine, just if you're a cannibal and you want to join the faithful, it needs another oil pan, Toyota didn't release this engine for racing, and despite that, with an oil pan, it manages and lasts well even there! I have also seen many big turbo gtx2867 with 350-400hp with 100% stock engine internals and some other factory ones with over 350,000 km.
@@arcanevoid91991zz oil pan got baffles 2zz don't people always take the oil pan off a 1zz and put it on their 2zz
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Had mine for three years and mainly done preventive maintenance and some light mods such as Oz alloys, Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres, Japspeed Exhaust and Mintex brakes all round. Haven't had anything break yet, touch wood. But I'm going to drive it into the ground, cant find a better coupe for the money and fun factor. I'm sure they will be come a future classic one day!
How’s it going?
Becoming a future classic rn lol, too many of them in junkyards and too few in the streets. It's like the Preludes, MR2s, Neon SRT4s & 240sx's. It turns heads when people see it since they're so uncommon nowadays.
Some good info and beautiful Celicas. 😎
5th gen civic good bad and ugly....I like these Celicas such a beautiful design. Great video especially the clips in the background. I didn't know that people raced these, like professional racing .
Had mine since February in red, moonroof. Paid £4k for it though but it was low mileage and in good condition.
For those concerned about the reliability, I have a 230k Celica 02 GT original engine. (The bad year for burning oil). I'm more concerned about transmission problems than engine problems with mine.
Can someone tell me where I can find those tail lights at the 6:10 minut mark or what they are called?
Noti gang
Great review! It is a perfect car for someone just getting into the car scene. I picked my gt for $2000 and have had a blast with it. Its an amazing car to learn the basics of cornering and shifting, the chasis and weight make it very nimble. It does have some quirks that can damage your engine so do your research before going to crazy with it. Most of the problems are a pretty cheap fix. the interior is quite shit and loud but overall a solid car. i just wish it came with a more powerful and robust engine.
interior is only shit when you compare to new cars or european, for the era its quite a nice interior. ever been in a pre 2000s daihatsu? or a starlet? if you want more power just 2zz swap or turbo
What are those quirks that can damage the engine? I don't really plan on putting an FI on the car just bolt ons.
@@1998lemuel 1zz or 2zz?
@@arcanevoid9199 I guess both cuz at some point if I do buy a celica with 1zz, I'd probably swap it with a 2zz for more power
I love my Celica
Monkey Wrench Racing has build this up to over 700 hp, in the a 1200 kg car that is absolutely monstrous!
Can get it to 500 if you rebuild the engine with performance parts and supercharger / turbo, that is plenty to get into a lot of trouble.
Plus I live in Scandinavia, you really don't want rear wheel drive when the snow hits...
I have a misfire issue on one I just bought that idk what's going on I replaces all spark plugs (needed) and one coil (made it feel better) but it still has random misfires I'm going to replace the valve cover but I didn't think about fuel I'll look at that
Not sure if you’ve done it yet but could you cover all the 80s celicas in a vid? They look so good imo so would be cool to see your opinion
this is sick, im happy with my celica
Hey bro Im 15 and I like your vids because I want my first car to be fun so thank you for the info 🙏 also can you do a good bad and ugly about either the porsche 986,mitsubishi lancer,cobalt ss or the dodge neon? thanks bro i appreciate it
thx man
I’m currently looking for a Celica but I have no idea where to look so if anyone could help I would appreciate it
I went from 4 cylinder to V6 and I just can't go back to the i4 exhaust note🤣🤣🤣
What taillights are those?
Last year, when I was looking to buy my first car, I came across a Celica for €1800 with over 400.000km on the clock. It was dealer maintainenced, had good bodywork n interior. It was the 192hp .... altho I knew it could've done another 100.000km easily, I passed on it anyways cause of the hp's. For a first car, it felt a bit excessive 😂 ... plus, I had my mind set on the Mazda 3.. 2 liter. I got my Mazda for €500 with half the km's on the clock than the Celica. I still like the Celica and I keep eyeing them. Seeing them modified like this, make them look better and a lot of fun to drive. Maybe in the future I'll opt for a Celica next to my Mazda 3 & RX8 🤭🤭 A lady has to have dreams 😉
Young Ms. Nathalie, I heartily agree that "a lady has to have dreams." I'm turning 76 in October, and I've wanted a Celica for 20 years! Tomorrow I'll fulfill my long-time dream because I'll pick up my 2001 Celie GT that's in perfect condition from the original owners, lovely people. I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't wait until you're 76 to fulfill ANY dream, even though it's actually sometimes worth the wait 😉
@@AllyMcFancysp1xn Hi Evelyn! Thanks for your reply. How awesome is that!? I bet you're very excited to finally get one. My dream was to get my license before 50yrs old, which I did. With the Mazda 3, I got the car I wanted, in the edition I wanted aswell. So am happy about that. I come from a poor family and I've been on wellfare for a while, while raising 2 kids with autism on my own. I'm finally back into working fulltime and now doing the things I've been wanting to do for a long time. So eventually, that RX8 will come and perhaps a Celica aswell. Who knows!? 😁😁
@@nathaliebrinkman4607 Well done, young lady! I read this somewhere, thought it was perfect: "Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can come together." I can't tell you how many times that scenario has happened to me over my long life, so I believe it with all my heart. You sound spunky enough to make your dreams happen, as you're proving -- including a Celi, ha ha! BTW, I picked mine up the other day, and I've had a silly grin on my face ever since. To paraphrase Dr. Seuss, "Oh, the places I'll go!" Best wishes to you and yours.
What was the ZR model?
Notification squad!
I think it sounds amazing
You mean it's a two door hatch. Not the typical hatch, but the back fully opens up as a hatch. Toyota coined the term "lift-back" just fancy wording for sleek looking hatchback.
I have more fun in my 00 Celiza GT-S than I do my 91 stealth rt turbo. It's really all about preference.
Hey mark!
Could yoh do a good bad n ugly für the legendary mazdaspeed 3?
could you do one on the r53 mini cooper s?
Would love to see a vid on the 2is is350/250
is there any celica owner that can say if it is actually reliable
id love a review on 4th gen!!
Hey mark, I was wondering if you could give a suggestion for a car for me. I am an upcoming university student and I am looking for a cool, cheap and reliable car I could use for a pretty long time without having to worry about maintenance as much. Do you have any suggestions for me?
Toyota Corolla S if you find one it’s a nice, quick, “sport” version of the Corolla
Kind of good cup holders that angle the console makes angles big gas station cups
misfire problem normally injectors I had that . but mine is 1999 mrk7 apart from I had no problem mine is well looked after only 2 owners full service history probably best one in uk ....
I use mine for door dash. 2001 gt stick runs great just gotta make sure you carry an extra quart of oil at all times lol
For sure 😂
good vid
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I am looking to buy this car, and you say that you should replace the oil constantly, how frequent is good?
3k miles or 5k kms
If it's a 00-02 GT, yeah just watch your oil closely and fill as needed. If it's a GT-S this isn't really an issue. After these years they pretty much fixed it.
Hope you bought or will buy one, they are so cool.
Can you do a good murica pontiac firebird
Mark we need a good bad and ugily on the GR yaris PLEASE:)
Which engine are you talking about? Is it the 1zz or the 2zz. Did you know the 2zz has the head design by yamaha and is ready to rev 10k. Are you aware that the 2zzge is the same engine which lotus use in their exige. Also, lotus slapped a supercharger to the stock engine with out any major supporting modifications... if not mistsken, only the injectors where replaced... I think the 2zzge is a good engine from toyota.
You keep saying stuff about missfiring etc but that could be related to either the 1zz or 2zz, they are completly different engines and clarifacation was needed for alot of these points
i have i celica and i built it up just fine just got to know what your doing she sitting at round 325 bhp with a t28 turbo
and the obvious engine mods
You hit it out of the park with this one. But hear me out, 1JZ swap it.
I've seen a few K series swaps but never a 1JZ but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's a guy on UA-cam right now called TSR Garage converting a GT-S to a rear engine rear wheel drive with a Chevy LS4... He calls it the GT-SS 😆
Yo, someone did a 2jz swap already😂
Could you do the ls430
There is an old man where I’m from that has the Tsport TRD 99 Celica that put a Hoffman hydrogen fuel cell inside of it I don’t have the knowledge to try to explain what it is or how it works it was just a cool discovery I made
I love everything about the 7th gen celica but I can't get mine running. I am studying as a mechanic and none of my teachers have an idea of what's wrong. I just want people to know this little detail.
they really arent very complicated
thoughts on having this as a semi project car but mainly a daily driver ?
i own one and as a daily/semi project its awesome, the car is insanely reliable and i have over 220,000kms on it and never had a problem. plus they are just super fun to drive and pretty cheap in terms of parts
I have this as just that opposite my 88' Supra. It's a pure DD and one of the coolest most affordable/reliable ones you can get. Makes a joke out of much newer cars in that respect. Go for it. There is a lot of aftermarket stuff for them and you can make it look like you want.
Is that sound from stock engine and stock exhaust??
Definitely not stock exhaust. Mine is stock and sounds nowhere near that.
You should do 4G Mitsubishi eclipse GT next, as someone who’s new to the car scene it’s kinda confusing why people hate it so much it seems just as good as any v6 sports car
Mr2 Spyder?
2000 Celica GT-S 215,000 Liquid Silver Metallic
IG of the black celica please
1:09 very true, I found a 1996 for $750
Do the hyundai genesis 3.8
I dare you to make one about Prius
Been saying this but need the cg6
i sold mine recently i miss it
As a previous gen 7 owner cut the muffler off it sounds way better
You should do a good bad ugly of a 91 Toyota pickup.
Miss my celica😢..shout out to my northeast celica and so cal.
The custom tail lates on the red Celica are nice, anyone know who made them!!!!?????
i have been looking for them also and no luck. It might be a custom someone made?
"It OnLy HaS 200 Hp." Me watching this with my 109 car.
Ngl, if there is anything much taller than the cup holder pocket in the cup holder, it can get in the way of my arm when shifting. Other than that it is good.
Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the catfish camaro is ugly lol.
weird request, Im a year out of highschool, working hella as a part time student trying to afford a weekend car, my current car is a 2008 toyota avalon that i started to build (and stopped to help afford a second car). Im looking to get a 7th gen celica gts and turbo it for my weekend car but god i love my avalon. Id love to see a good bad and ugly for the avalon, Its suprisingly light, and over priced lol
why would you build an avalon? and there are better platforms if you must turbo it, celica does better na or supercharged
PLEASE DO Audi A6 C6 2010 3.0 V6
how about the toyota yaris
Do one on subaru baja good bad ugly
Lawl aftermarket parts are hard to find... 😵💫 and alot of kids blow these up all the time. I have ended up collecting parts from the junkyard.
Also i ended up just replacing the fuel rail. Do not get a crap amazon ect. 🙄 please please get a OME or a actual fuel rail meant for performance for fuel injectors.
Mine is fine, but did you ever end up replacing the fuel pump/filter? Mine doesn't need it, but at 142K miles, I feel like it should be done and I know it's a weird combo unit.
I say a honda integra cutting up in traffic tdy😍
Earlyy
S2000?
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Hello man
Can you get me one like that to own, please?
My buddy has 3 of them
The Celica's engine has a problem with the oilpump which goes bad and makes the engine blow up.
it doesnt "go bad" the oil pump just doesnt take high rpm abuse or over revving well, like 8 different aftermarket options to fix it though
@@arcanevoid9199 Yeah that
the price is through the roof now and at the time of this video. people are selling the GT auto for like 4 grand with 230k miles. they arent worth that. the used car inflation has got everyone going crazy. i got the trd 6 speed gts 2 years before for 1400$
its cause they are becoming rarer
They ain't a bad looking go to work car I thought they were going for money then $1200 and I also like the bodystyle too.
They go for a LOT of money. People will say all day how they got MKIII Supras for super cheap too, but the reality is if you want a good 7th gen Celica (or MKIII Supra) you need to pay a lot and prices have gone up a lot, at least here in the NW. I got both of mine for around $8,000, but have spent a hell of a lot more than that on them on just fun stuff because Toyota is reliable and after basic maintenance/age fixes, you get to have fun with doing whatever you want to them.
2zzge is reliable if you replace the Oil Pan. Thats it
If you do a timing set its a good idea to upgrade the oil pump to a corrected aftermarket pump. The stock 2ZZ oil pump had a nasty habit of grenading themselves at high RPM.
@@graveyardrumblers the oil pump break if you pass the revlimit on money shift or if go over 8.600 rpm mate. But is a good idea to put a forged oil pump ⚙️ gear
i have a 01 celica gt auto.i inherited it, its slow AF! get it going its fine, but the acceleration has a nasty dead spot you have to ease in to the gas or it will hesitate. the oil burn gets ridiculous. my car just got to 120k an im going through about 2 quarts of oil a month. my girl friend has a 02 kia rio auto. that has no hesitation in acceleration or burn oil
try a manual gts lol
New edge mustang next 👍
It is undeniably a hatchback, though.
see, the thing about the 7th gen, is it's built in a way that you can only appreciate if you A) know what you're doing, and B) know what you want. it's not a drag car and the potential for that is minimal overall, unless you wanna go FWD only, then it's got something to say. as a track going car, straight power is not the most important thing. i find that the 7th gen has so much potential for the track but it's gimped by just a couple little things from the factory. 1) it's cylinder liners like to wear from cold starts and not letting it get up to temps. 2) oil pump, IYKYK. 3) the 2ZZ and 1ZZ COULD have superchargers, from lotus and TRD respectively. the only issue for the celica in not having those options is that they couldn't somehow fit it under the hood. they honestly could have done a turbo 1ZZ from the factory and made it compete with the GTI of it's time, though the GTS does that already. (im arguing the 2ZZ was redundant and over-engineered) 4) the oil pan from the 2ZZ had no baffling, but the 1ZZ did for some reason.
these few things are what i think really puts it down. not the FWD thing, not the power from factory, but toyota's almost desire for NOT adding power. they almost didn't WANT you to. all in all, stock for stock on a track, a mk7 celica GTS vs the other FWD 'performance' cars like the GTI or civic, it was highly competitive. people often thought it took itself too seriously, not oversteering like the MR2 and not understeering like the GT4 used to. would it have been nice if there WAS a GT4 version with forced induction? yes. was it necessary... sadly for sales it'd probably have saved the car another generation, but that's aside the point. this was a real good car for performance on a track. like, i have another MK7, but a VW GTI 7.5. stock for stock, i could put down very similar times in the Celica GTS compared to the GTI. it was lighter with a lower center of gravity, the car just went.
all in all, the car was good.
1 is a non issue, any engine is not going to like being beat on when cold and have wear from cold starts. not sure how the 2zz was redundant or over-engineered, once of the most advanced engines for its time. 1zz oil pan doesnt have baffling, it has the windage trays on the pan instead of on the engine like the 2zz. swapping them actually causes issues with oil returning to the pan, theres a reason its different pan for the 2zz. there are other more significant issues than what youve mentioned, especially for track usage. gti isnt really comparable, its a basic hot hatch not really a performance fwd car. more comparable to the dc2 & dc5. i highly doubt a gt4 version would have saved anything, US didnt even get the 6th gen gt4 and they barely sold any in other markets. there is a reason why so many sports cars were discontinued around the same time
@@arcanevoid9199 the reason i said 2ZZ was redundant is that both are 1.8l i4 NA. The VVTLI system was revolutionary but anything that revolutionary introduces new problems, notably valve tick was an issue. And the cold starts were notoriously bad for 2zz's from the cylinder walls being brittle in comparison to other motors. Yes the 2zz made higher power figures than 1zz, but basically only from the compression and the lift. As they say though, theres no replacement for displacement. And forced induction like in the TRD matrix supercharged's case... the 1zz is just kinda... the same but slightly more reliable overall. Its only disadvantage was only getting a 5speed manual vs a 6speed but thats a known swap.
Now, i hope youre joking about a GTI not being performance. Thats what a hot hatch... IS. Its an entry level performance hatchback. Sure the golf r32 exists as the upper tier version. But in terms of power, the 1.8T in the GTI was similar to a 2zz. Both being fwd, same displacement... thats what the comparison is.
And it should be noted, everybody knows the 2ZZ was not a beginner friendly motor thanks to a frail oil pump gear known to shred itself with just a HINT of over revving, like... not even a fair amount, a little. Plus the oil pan itself is an issue, as it does need better baffling as on the track, oil starvation is a common concern.
@@flaringstar7708 so your saying it’s redundant because of the 1.8 in the gti? how does that make any sense, and what valve tick is this? are you just talking about the noise? and you can’t really compare to the cylinder walls to other motors as there aren’t many like the 2zz which has an aluminium block with no liners. The compression on the 2zz isn’t much higher, and even without lift it makes more power. 2zz it’s a performance engine with a Yamaha designed cylinder head, note the GE in the engine code. 1zz is an economy based engine. it is a hot hatch but it’s not much of a performance car, even just looking at how little power the engine makes. not sure why you would compare the 1.8TDI to the 2zz, they are only similar in displacement. 1.8TDI also makes less power than a 2zz with a turbo and the same displacement which is pretty funny. not sure how that makes it not a beginner friendly engine, I learnt to drive in my 2zz celica and haven’t come close at all to over revving it
@@arcanevoid9199 aight check it. 2ZZ, NA, 180-190 crank hp. Cool.
1zz -matrix TRD 180~ hp.
1.8t vw, 220 in the GLI and audi TT. 180~ in the gti.
Starting to see the comparisson? Similar power outputs from a 1zz and a vw 1.8T in a simpler setup, the TRD supercharger was a bolt on option out of the box (though it doesnt become a FZE) that the celica couldnt fit under the hood sadly. toyota being the worlds top dog... ypu'd think a liiittle re-designing wouldnt be an issue, it felt like making the 2ZZ was a solution to a stupid problem that could honestly just have been quicker by tweaking the design pre-launch.
What im gettin at, is the 2zz being redundant because its power comes from high compression (11.5:1) and an insanely high rev limit. The power band is stupidly high, meaning you hafta be reaming on it to get full beans, the cylinder walls are coated MMC not aluminum, which by the way MMC is abrittle material, not good at holding big power, hence why its common to see bored out cylinders with iron sleve inserts: hold the power at high compression, allowing for higher boost tolerance which the 2zz straight dont got much, give it too much it goes boom. Lets not forget that the oil pump gear commits die at high revs like a 2zz wants to run. And yes, im aware lotus managed to push it to the mid 200hp range, but they also remapped the fuel system. Could you do a motor swap to the lotus? Yeah. Can the power numbers go much higher than what lotus got? No not really, not reliably. Still got them cylinder walls to worry about. A 1ZZ with a supercharger, slap in an intercooler, you can break 200 hp no problem. Little bit of tuning dust, bigger pully, belt, golden. The 1ZZ will straight up take the bigger boost that a 2ZZ cannot without SERIOUS modifications like the aforementioned iron cylinder sleve mod. However, the 2ZZ has one crucial advantage if you have the money. while youre doijg the cylinders... you have the perfect opportunity to introduce forged internals (monkeywrench racing sells good stuff for mid to high output 2ZZ applications.) Also port/poli the head. Once you've done all that, which costs a fair amount, you can break 300 hp, 400hp i'd rebuild the head, the valvetrain will be crying. A 2ZZ will admittedly outshine a 1ZZ in every way at the cost of much more money, the 1ZZ is simply a cheaper way to skip the early modding stages of rebuilding the bottom end. A 2ZZ is more or less stage 1 outta the box, its good NA performance, but dont got a whole lot more in her. i'd argue that so is the 1zz TRD. They achieve the same thing, in different ways, with 1ZZ being stronger built out of box, in terms of abuse handling. Both have a few little flaws to do with oil management, some early 1zz burn oil for fun, and all 2ZZ have starvation issues on the track thanks to the open oil pan. For the track, you NEED the baffles, or you'll starve it on the track. If oil isn't returning fast enough you have a different issue entirely, i'd almost say the oil temps were not warm enough, or wrong oil.
And i'll only touch on the valve tick issue a little bit. 2zz are known for this, but its kinda a crapshoot, some wont get the issue, plenty will. The valvetrain is a highly complex shimmed setup and will cost lots to fix, because you have to re-time the motor. Yes, the job is cams out, the noise itself can come from anywhere in the valvetrain, be it from cam lobe wear to valve lash... the issues goe on. Vw had a similar issue in early 2.0T models, but they fixed it using cam rollers.
By the way. I know full well about engine code from toyota. And yes, a GE indicates a performance centered design, im not disputing that. However, if 'performance' is just horsepower and torque, anything can be a GE if they simply oh... idk, boost it a little. I mean hey, the 1zz with the TRD bolt on pushes the same as a 2zz's stock numbers, but at least with forced induction you add better tuning potential, plus the lower compression lets 1zz take slightly more boost. Its just easier to mod with so much less cost to the owner.
And just to add. The GTI wasn't diesel. The GTD is diesel. It's just, you said 1.8 tdi... thats vw for turbo diesel. The GTI uses the 1.8T gasser that sparked the 1.8T neva lose memes, cuz it was easily tuned, took boost and you could make beans like you'd never need in a stock motor. And just for the record, a GTI is a performance car. Thats why i sold my Celica for a GTI, reliable power at low costs.
@@flaringstar7708 the power also comes from a very high flowing head, very good valve sizing, low rotating assembly weight etc. the rev limit is only insanely high if your used to american cars, its not uncommon for japanese 4 cyl that are performance orientated to rev over 8k. they even got the 2zz to rev to 12k when designing it. the power band is high in the rev range but it honestly makes it fun. and just because there is a coating on the cylinder walls doesnt mean they arent aluminum, thats like putting wax on paint and saying its not paint anymore its wax. and honestly the cylinder walls are not the first thing you worry about when going boosted, pistons are the main weak point as the crank and rods are forged. the 1zz has weaker rods and a weaker transmission, it will also make far less power at the same boost as a 2zz. so it may be the case that even if you run more boost on a 1zz you will still make less power than a 2zz with less boost. there is actually plenty more performance in a 2zz, its not hard to get one past 200whp with bolt ons. also my point about oil not returning fast enough was in regards to people swapping the 1zz pan onto the 2zz because they think its baffled. the valvetrain is really not that complicated, the shims are easy to change and plenty cars have done big mileage and never had valve clearance done. retiming the motor is simple and you shouldnt have to when doing valve clearance, ive retimed the motor when i was 16 with no previous mechanical experience. GE means performance wide angle head usually designed with help from yamaha, not just performance centered design. and the fact you think the 1zz is easier to mod when it needs forced induction just to make the same power as a 2zz is pretty funny, in the real world there is not much point trying to do anything with a 1zz. getting a supercharger is not easy, and expensive when you do find one. futhermore there are mutiple bolt on superchargers for the 2zz, even ones that you can buy currently so its a bit of a moot point. and sorry i got confused, not super knowledgeable on vws. and going from a celica to a gti is a downgrade in many ways
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