Thankyou for this video, one of the clearest and most concise explanations of iffy situations I've seen. Will be pointing many difficult players this way in future. I think that FIVB really needs to work on removing rules that rely on reading player "intentions" from the rulebook as it leads to way too much direct player/umpire conflict (even in low-level/intermediate competition). Everything should be able to be defined, interpreted or explained at a technical level otherwise you are relying on your umpires to be professional psychology and body language experts :(
What is your definition of together in regards to a open handed attack? My assumption is that it means that all the fingers are touching each other along the full length of the finger. Do you agree?
On the subject of consecutive contacts, I'm surprised by the call on the third example clip. Are you saying that he is making two separate actions to play the ball? (Left hand, then right)
One thing I want to highlight that she said is that doubles should be called based on the quality of the hit, not the spin of the ball. Just a level 1 ref, but I would say that it looks like in the example video, his intention was clearly to hit with one hand after the other, which is extremely unrealistic in a real game, but would be illegal as he is intentionally completing the hit in two separate actions. I am not sure why she uses the example of receiving with palms when the rulebook states consecutive contcts are only not allowed on finger hits played overhand, meaning theorhetically consecutive palm hits in one action should be allowed. In practice, the rulebook isn't usually followed closely, and almost every finger hit is called a double regardless how clean the touch. If you hit with your palms, then from the angle of the ref it can often look like you are hitting with fingers, so refs sometimes call palms too. I hate that that's how it is, but it makes it much eaier for both the ref and the players to know what to do; no finger hits, and palm hits should be clean. Palm, tomahawk, fist and forearm hits should however theorhetically never be called a double.
I do think that was probably the wrong choice of clip to use as it wasn't a super clear double even in slow-mo. I'm not a very good ref, but I think the "double" they are trying to convey in that clip wasn't that he was making two seperate actions to play at the ball, but that his hands were acting as more than one rebound surface in relation to the ball (ie. it should be fine to play the ball with seperated hands if the inbound/rebound angles remain related to each other, but as soon as you're trying to achieve a rebound angle that wouldn't have been physically possible off a single surface in that play situation, it should be a double).
I really like fivb rules video with all specialities.great video !
Thankyou for this video, one of the clearest and most concise explanations of iffy situations I've seen. Will be pointing many difficult players this way in future.
I think that FIVB really needs to work on removing rules that rely on reading player "intentions" from the rulebook as it leads to way too much direct player/umpire conflict (even in low-level/intermediate competition). Everything should be able to be defined, interpreted or explained at a technical level otherwise you are relying on your umpires to be professional psychology and body language experts :(
Great video Kristina !
What is your definition of together in regards to a open handed attack? My assumption is that it means that all the fingers are touching each other along the full length of the finger. Do you agree?
On the subject of consecutive contacts, I'm surprised by the call on the third example clip.
Are you saying that he is making two separate actions to play the ball? (Left hand, then right)
One thing I want to highlight that she said is that doubles should be called based on the quality of the hit, not the spin of the ball.
Just a level 1 ref, but I would say that it looks like in the example video, his intention was clearly to hit with one hand after the other, which is extremely unrealistic in a real game, but would be illegal as he is intentionally completing the hit in two separate actions.
I am not sure why she uses the example of receiving with palms when the rulebook states consecutive contcts are only not allowed on finger hits played overhand, meaning theorhetically consecutive palm hits in one action should be allowed. In practice, the rulebook isn't usually followed closely, and almost every finger hit is called a double regardless how clean the touch. If you hit with your palms, then from the angle of the ref it can often look like you are hitting with fingers, so refs sometimes call palms too.
I hate that that's how it is, but it makes it much eaier for both the ref and the players to know what to do; no finger hits, and palm hits should be clean.
Palm, tomahawk, fist and forearm hits should however theorhetically never be called a double.
I do think that was probably the wrong choice of clip to use as it wasn't a super clear double even in slow-mo. I'm not a very good ref, but I think the "double" they are trying to convey in that clip wasn't that he was making two seperate actions to play at the ball, but that his hands were acting as more than one rebound surface in relation to the ball (ie. it should be fine to play the ball with seperated hands if the inbound/rebound angles remain related to each other, but as soon as you're trying to achieve a rebound angle that wouldn't have been physically possible off a single surface in that play situation, it should be a double).