Also Great job Zildjian! Thee A series are some of my favorite cymbals! Everything from desert rock to jazz Blues to bop. The A's can do em' all! 🤘 (Thin to Paper thin crashes are my favorite, and medium thin crash rides are just bliss 👌)
MEMPHIS DRUM SHOP!!! You guys are consistently giving us the BEST content. THANK YOU! Other drum shops are closing left and right, but its clear you guys will stand the test of time! Can't wait for part 2!
I had a 1955 22 inche Zildjian, and my my hi-hat we're 14s. At that time, I'm happy to say that Zildjian was it! Whatever else that was out there never came close to the sound of my Zildjians. If I were to be asked by a young man starting out to play drums what cymbals should he purchase I definitely would steer him to Zildjian. BTW the drums I played on were a set of Ludwig. Just an 82 year old finger and hand taper today.
The new issue 'Avedis' cymbals sound remarkably close to their 'vintage' counterparts. Kudos to Zildjian for capturing that 'vintage A' sound and feel. One thing I have found with Zildjian cast cymbals (and this may just be my imagination); they seem to 'age in' well and get better with age. I have a Zildjian 'A' 14" thin crash that sounded very bright when I bought it in 1995: it's now just beginning to get a nice balanced timbre and one of my go-to crashes.
One of the things that I really like about the older cymbals over the newer cymbals is the complexity, or even those undesired (under or) overtones. Learning how to control those and play them individually are what helped develop my technique, my touch and helped me to share my love of the instrument with other students. That the uniformity of modern cymbals really robs us of those opportunities is bittersweet.
I know where you're coming from, but a clunker is a clunker LOL and there were a lot of Clunkers in those vintage piles of cymbals. The new Avidas line are awesome I have played some and brought a couple over the last few years they are great to record with I just wish they made him a little bit heavier because they are really thin which are fine for low volume situations and small music ensembles for instance I think they should have made a 20 available also around 2100 G and an 18 around 1400 G to 1500 G so when you are playing live they cut through a little more but still have the same general characteristics of this line would be really great but they are awesome cymbals nonetheless... and Mr Riley really brings out the best in them!
@@polara01 try to find some of the Armand series...just got a 22 Avedis...had a 16" Armand crash...thin and soft just like the Avedis line...planning on getting the 19" Avedis i found locally. (side note" just got in a 19" Armand Beautiful baby...it's at 1899 grams...definitely on the ride side of things...so check weights before you buy) Not sure where a 20" Armand falls in A weights...a few videos in the 2050-2150 range)
Im 43 and was giving a 20" A zildjian owned by my step dad when I was about 12 years old, before I though about playing drums....I did eventually start playing and thank god I saved the cymbal....I assume it is a cymbal from the 60's but it may be from the mid 70's...I have yet to find out...I love it and it has served me well in all situations.
I’m a meinl guy and have a huge hoarding collection of meinls but the one non meinl I have is the cymbal on the right side, mine is a 21 inch Avedis ride which is basically a crash ride yet has a great bell still. Super thin and crashy with a great bell but they sound different than anything else on the market. I love my meinl rides but this avedis is one of my favorites. I play in a progressive metal/djenty band and this cymbal works for that as well as other styles
I have a 1953 Gretsch Round Badge. And it came with a set of ‘50s era cymbals too. A customer I was pouring concrete for said he couldn’t even give ‘em away to friends, they didn’t want them. I jumped on it. Still got em.
Hand shaped, hand hammered (before they started using machine hammer), hand lathed... Hand made. That touch of the master craftsman and their feeling and understanding of resonance and vibration throughout the shaping and hammering process makes a big difference. Also the vintage cymbals were made with water from the sea of Marmara mixing with water from the Black Sea is different from the tap water or even possible Atlantic water that they are getting in Boston. It's like a home cooked meal in the home country then somewhere else thousands of miles away. Even if the ingredients are the same, the soil makeup where the vegetables grow is different, the grass and hay is different, the water source is different. Both meals may taste great but it will be nothing like home.
@@MichaelWashingtonAE they sound a little thinner, but I am not using monitors just my computer speakers. They sound a bit like when people clean their vintage A's to me. P.S. you have my father's name...
The 'vintage' cymbals win it hands down over the 'new' Avedis cymbals in my opinion. In my 66 years as a drummer I have played with a 13 cymbal quiver on my 7piece set. I have always taken at least a year to audition different cymbals before purchasing. Except for a 22" non-riveted 'swish', nearly all my cymbals were manufactured in the 40's - 60's.
The Avedis cymbals are higher pitched which make a comparison harder. The original A's are the gold standard - sound and response, especially the two rides on the right hand side. I think the Avedis series are fine for contemporary drummers to be able to get some of the vintage characteristics by buying the off the shelf, instead of searching for original A's. And they may have more appeal to the "modern drummer's ear". But for guys like me who were playing during the original era, it was great to here the A's and would look for them instead.
I have a 50's Zildjian, drilled for 6 rivets when it was made, there is much more bow to the cymbal than modern cymbals, and I think the metal composition is different than for modern cymbals - I'm no metallurgist, but my older cymbals tarnish much more readily than the newer ones, I think because there was more silver used in them years ago - and the cymbal has a different sound than a modern cymbal, not necessarily better (that's a matter of taste). When silver went from $10.00 an ounce to $60.00 an ounce about 40 years ago, I recall there was some caterwauling about it from the Zildjian folks. But the Avedis cymbals sound great, to me.
I just actually found a literally like new Avedis 18” crash for only $150.00 that is thin and opens up immediately and has a beautiful shimmer well like the ones in this video. I haven’t gotten to use it on a gig yet and I can’t wait!
Chad Smith was playing on some of these on FB during this crazy isolation. He was playing pretty hard on a vintage kit, and I was mad at first because I thought they were vintage cymbals, until I saw the logo, then I wasn't as mad after.
At 15:00, I prefer the sound of the vintage Avedis over the modern Avedis. It's hard to describe but as a jazz drummer, the new ones are not even in the same ballpark. I still have my Avedis cymbals that I bought new in 1966. However, I do like the K Constantinople line but haven't bought any yet.
This is exciting- I have yet to find something close to the 20" med, 18" crash ride and med 14" HH Zildjians that came with my 67 Super Classics- they have matured and I get offers to sell them every time they are out- especially the Hats- nothing out there sounds as good for brush work on a recording session.- this new line might tap into the obvious market out there.
Hey Paul! And Riley! - Paul when are you guys going to make a mini cup 22 or 24 Avedis like the old days! I would consider selling my right arm to buy it- and then happily play it left handed! Riley- Your stick mallets are magic- and Memphis-keep up the high standards- can you open a California branch? Please....
Xylo's for Kids Yes bring back the mini cup. I bought an Avedis 16” mini cup crash in the late 1970s, sadly I sold it many years ago but I can still remember how sweet it sounded!
I find that many of those small cup cymbals are K's and even some of the A's that Avedis was making before he really developed his signature style and sounds.
I've been running away from these kind A Zildjian sounds since the early 80's. And listening them now again with good headphones, I can't say that I like what I hear. Too high pitched wash under a fragile stick sound and strange bell-like overtones still seem to be there. But I know that many like this kind of cymbal sound... John Riley's playing is delicate and fluid, enjoyable to listen to
Some great historical info here form Paul Francis. John Riley keeps saying if Avedis logo wasn't on cymbal I could be convinced this is a 40 or 50 year old cymbal. Well, 2019 - 50 = 1969. I think John meant to say more like 60 to 70 year old cymbal (1949 -59). Time does fly by. Though IMHO there's nothing like the original old 1950's A's.
Memphis Drum Shop: "Does Zildjian offer a box set or pack of the Avedis line?? I was also wondering if they ever plan to make smaller cymbals just like the days of the big band era such as 10"-15" plates? Thank -you."
I think the modern Avedis sounds better. They are lower in pitch with a little less overtones so a smoother sound. They are buttery smooth and pleasing.
Both sets sound tremendous. Still prefer the vintage ones, especially the 50's hats. I have a 15" featherweight pair from that era and they are the closest ive heard to the Agop 30th Anniversary hats.
I have a 20”, 18” & 16” Zildjian A from when I first started playing in the early 60’s. What were these early cymbals made of as compared to the b20 bronze of today?
The sweet ride sounds better.id love for zyldjian to get the medium A ride to sound like it used to. The old A medium and ping rides sounded much better than the ones being made in the last 25 years.
I own vintage Zildjian cymbals entirely for the fact they are about two to three hundred dollars cheaper than new Zildjians and they sound the same if not better
Hot take but if you want that Vintage sound then just buy hand hammered cymbals. There are so many great brands these days - cymbal & gong, murat diril, istanbul etc. I love Zildjian and almost exclusively use them but I really don't "get" this particular line.
After playing them for a few years now: they are GREAT crash cymbals. Not so good for main rides. Not dry enough, not enough articulation, not enough even distribution of overtones
I know John Riley is getting paid for this video, and the cymbals are very good, but he is realy just sucking up to Zildjian. Paul displays his knowledge and then John confirms it in an awful commercial way. When he he plays I believe him all the way, when he speaks about this product I tend to doubt him
They've treated him really well as an endorser. He might be overselling the brand, but it gets him access to all the models and sizes he wants to try. I tend to like his MDS videos the least of all their demos, so his opinions don't sell me more towarda Zildjian. I'm a Paiste Stan, but every company makes great cymbals.
Those vintage ones sound amazing, but most vintage A's for sale sound like crap. If you do manage to find great sounding cymbals like these, you'll really be paying for it. Better off buying the new ones.
Wait! He was called "Al-vi-DUSS?" When I was 17 years old, and buying my first drum kit and cymbal collection, the salesman always mentioned "UhVEEDIIS Zildjian. When it comes to dealing with dumb american accents and what is currently going on in parts of Turkey...... No surprise. Happy Holidays, Happy Festivus, ALL OF the HOLIDAY SPIRIT! Then let's call it another year!
Too bad zildjian doesn't just make these great cymbals only, like they used to, and charge a fair price, instead of all the crap they make now, and charge $$$ like they're great. They've definitely become elitist play things for the very well to do. GREED !!!
First of all, what do they mean by ‘vintage’? I hear them both say ‘50 years old’ and ‘40 years old’...does that mean they’re going for that classic 80s ride sound that everyone’s looking for? Or are they dodging by being totally non-specific? Secondly, they keep fixating on cup size, shape, bow, lathing, and ‘hammering’; the easiest elements to copy when counterfeiting an original. You can take piece of vinyl and duplicate those superficial qualities perfectly. That fake patina gimmick creeped me out big time. And of course they sound like what they are: horrible facsimiles made with cheap materials and very expensive CNC machines. Great vintage A’s are going for so cheap these days that there is no incentive to buy these things anyway.
John's playing makes me so happy. So many dynamics
Also Great job Zildjian! Thee A series are some of my favorite cymbals! Everything from desert rock to jazz
Blues to bop. The A's can do em' all! 🤘
(Thin to Paper thin crashes are my favorite, and medium thin crash rides are just bliss 👌)
I could listen to Paul and John talk about and play cymbals all day long! Thank you for making these great video's!
MEMPHIS DRUM SHOP!!! You guys are consistently giving us the BEST content. THANK YOU! Other drum shops are closing left and right, but its clear you guys will stand the test of time! Can't wait for part 2!
So, after 47 years of using their products, I find out the accent in Avedis is on the "Ah" ? I've been saying a-VEE-dis my entire life...
Me too
Me too man lol 😂
One the the best things I learned from this video...
I been pronouncing it ah-vae-dis all this time
Guilty as well
I had a 1955 22 inche Zildjian, and my my hi-hat we're 14s. At that time, I'm happy to say that Zildjian was it! Whatever else that was out there never came close to the sound of my Zildjians. If I were to be asked by a young man starting out to play drums what cymbals should he purchase I definitely would steer him to Zildjian. BTW the drums I played on were a set of Ludwig. Just an 82 year old finger and hand taper today.
The new issue 'Avedis' cymbals sound remarkably close to their 'vintage' counterparts. Kudos to Zildjian for capturing that 'vintage A' sound and feel. One thing I have found with Zildjian cast cymbals (and this may just be my imagination); they seem to 'age in' well and get better with age. I have a Zildjian 'A' 14" thin crash that sounded very bright when I bought it in 1995: it's now just beginning to get a nice balanced timbre and one of my go-to crashes.
Your shop is on my bucket list and on my wife's No Fly Zone.
One of the things that I really like about the older cymbals over the newer cymbals is the complexity, or even those undesired (under or) overtones. Learning how to control those and play them individually are what helped develop my technique, my touch and helped me to share my love of the instrument with other students. That the uniformity of modern cymbals really robs us of those opportunities is bittersweet.
I know where you're coming from, but a clunker is a clunker LOL and there were a lot of Clunkers in those vintage piles of cymbals. The new Avidas line are awesome I have played some and brought a couple over the last few years they are great to record with I just wish they made him a little bit heavier because they are really thin which are fine for low volume situations and small music ensembles for instance I think they should have made a 20 available also around 2100 G and an 18 around 1400 G to 1500 G so when you are playing live they cut through a little more but still have the same general characteristics of this line would be really great but they are awesome cymbals nonetheless... and Mr Riley really brings out the best in them!
@@polara01 try to find some of the Armand series...just got a 22 Avedis...had a 16" Armand crash...thin and soft just like the Avedis line...planning on getting the 19" Avedis i found locally. (side note" just got in a 19" Armand Beautiful baby...it's at 1899 grams...definitely on the ride side of things...so check weights before you buy) Not sure where a 20" Armand falls in A weights...a few videos in the 2050-2150 range)
Im 43 and was giving a 20" A zildjian owned by my step dad when I was about 12 years old, before I though about playing drums....I did eventually start playing and thank god I saved the cymbal....I assume it is a cymbal from the 60's but it may be from the mid 70's...I have yet to find out...I love it and it has served me well in all situations.
I’m a meinl guy and have a huge hoarding collection of meinls but the one non meinl I have is the cymbal on the right side, mine is a 21 inch Avedis ride which is basically a crash ride yet has a great bell still. Super thin and crashy with a great bell but they sound different than anything else on the market. I love my meinl rides but this avedis is one of my favorites. I play in a progressive metal/djenty band and this cymbal works for that as well as other styles
i feel like that's a lot of drummers' cases. they love istanbul, meinl, sabian but they always fall for the vintage a or k sounds.
They all sound great ! now all you need is a vintage Gretsch Set !
I have a 1953 Gretsch Round Badge. And it came with a set of ‘50s era cymbals too. A customer I was pouring concrete for said he couldn’t even give ‘em away to friends, they didn’t want them. I jumped on it. Still got em.
From the first moment I played them in a drum shop in Portland, I’ve been crazy about these cymbals. I have all but the 16” Hats and 22” Ride.
The vintage ones sounds so much better :o
Hand shaped, hand hammered (before they started using machine hammer), hand lathed... Hand made. That touch of the master craftsman and their feeling and understanding of resonance and vibration throughout the shaping and hammering process makes a big difference. Also the vintage cymbals were made with water from the sea of Marmara mixing with water from the Black Sea is different from the tap water or even possible Atlantic water that they are getting in Boston. It's like a home cooked meal in the home country then somewhere else thousands of miles away. Even if the ingredients are the same, the soil makeup where the vegetables grow is different, the grass and hay is different, the water source is different. Both meals may taste great but it will be nothing like home.
@@MichaelWashingtonAE they sound a little thinner, but I am not using monitors just my computer speakers. They sound a bit like when people clean their vintage A's to me.
P.S. you have my father's name...
Disagree. They are just different.
Yeah but because you can never recreate 30 or 40 years of playing. But they have come as close as posible to the vintage sound with a new cymbal.
Well, that ones sound very good, almost in the video, but there are "vintage zildjians" that, actually, sound, being polite, "not very good"
the hammering pattern on the new ones actually looks pretty much like that on zht line.. that's a little disturbing if you ask me
Defiantly the vintage cymbals hands down!
The 'vintage' cymbals win it hands down over the 'new' Avedis cymbals in my opinion. In my 66 years as a drummer I have played with a 13 cymbal quiver on my 7piece set. I have always taken at least a year to audition different cymbals before purchasing. Except for a 22" non-riveted 'swish', nearly all my cymbals were manufactured in the 40's - 60's.
heard some of these in person, and man do they sound amazing
The Avedis cymbals are higher pitched which make a comparison harder. The original A's are the gold standard - sound and response, especially the two rides on the right hand side. I think the Avedis series are fine for contemporary drummers to be able to get some of the vintage characteristics by buying the off the shelf, instead of searching for original A's. And they may have more appeal to the "modern drummer's ear". But for guys like me who were playing during the original era, it was great to here the A's and would look for them instead.
Steve Smith uses the A Avedis line, and he's in his late 60s..
"Thank- you so much for this super informative video MDS!"
I have a 50's Zildjian, drilled for 6 rivets when it was made, there is much more bow to the cymbal than modern cymbals, and I think the metal composition is different than for modern cymbals - I'm no metallurgist, but my older cymbals tarnish much more readily than the newer ones, I think because there was more silver used in them years ago - and the cymbal has a different sound than a modern cymbal, not necessarily better (that's a matter of taste). When silver went from $10.00 an ounce to $60.00 an ounce about 40 years ago, I recall there was some caterwauling about it from the Zildjian folks. But the Avedis cymbals sound great, to me.
Same alloy as ever. The difference in tarnishing is the coating...most old cymbals had no coating whatsoever.
I just actually found a literally like new Avedis 18” crash for only $150.00 that is thin and opens up immediately and has a beautiful shimmer well like the ones in this video. I haven’t gotten to use it on a gig yet and I can’t wait!
Lucky !
I’d say I like modern hats and rides but the average vintage crash is so nice with the bells and everything
Chad Smith was playing on some of these on FB during this crazy isolation. He was playing pretty hard on a vintage kit, and I was mad at first because I thought they were vintage cymbals, until I saw the logo, then I wasn't as mad after.
John's playing is pure
My setup : hh A avedis (new); 18" avedis( old); 19" A avedis(new); 22" avedis (old) .... Beautiful sound !!!
*VERY TASTEFUL DRUMMING THERE AT THE END.*
Nice
What a coincidence! I just bought a bunch more As tonight! Great cymbals, great video
At 15:00, I prefer the sound of the vintage Avedis over the modern Avedis. It's hard to describe but as a jazz drummer, the new ones are not even in the same ballpark. I still have my Avedis cymbals that I bought new in 1966. However, I do like the K Constantinople line but haven't bought any yet.
Now I want some vintage cymbals! The new ones seems darker/muffled by comparison.
Sounds like Zildjian is trying to get a little bit of that vintage crowd like what Paiste did with their 602 modern essentials line.
This is exciting- I have yet to find something close to the 20" med, 18" crash ride and med 14" HH Zildjians that came with my 67 Super Classics- they have matured and I get offers to sell them every time they are out- especially the Hats- nothing out there sounds as good for brush work on a recording session.- this new line might tap into the obvious market out there.
Hey Paul! And Riley! - Paul when are you guys going to make a mini cup 22 or 24 Avedis like the old days! I would consider selling my right arm to buy it- and then happily play it left handed! Riley- Your stick mallets are magic- and Memphis-keep up the high standards- can you open a California branch? Please....
Xylo's for Kids
Yes bring back the mini cup. I bought an Avedis 16” mini cup crash in the late 1970s, sadly I sold it many years ago but I can still remember how sweet it sounded!
I find that many of those small cup cymbals are K's and even some of the A's that Avedis was making before he really developed his signature style and sounds.
I wonder what the oldest surviving Zildjian on earth is… like the company is 400 and cymbals are metal chunks. We got any 400 year old examples?!?
If not... Hopefully some Archaeological dig will excavate something we'll get to hear one day.
For over 30 years of my life, having been aware of Zildjian, I've been pronouncing it, "a-VEE-dis" this whole time. I'm stunned. lol
Well, you pronounced it right. The guy here on the left is pronouncing it wrong. It's a latin word.
Edit: Maybe it's an armenian or turkish word.
I've been running away from these kind A Zildjian sounds since the early 80's. And listening them now again with good headphones, I can't say that I like what I hear. Too high pitched wash under a fragile stick sound and strange bell-like overtones still seem to be there. But I know that many like this kind of cymbal sound... John Riley's playing is delicate and fluid, enjoyable to listen to
Seppo Innanen what cymbals do you play?
FANTASTIC! Thank you soo much for that...
Some great historical info here form Paul Francis. John Riley keeps saying if Avedis logo wasn't on cymbal I could be convinced this is a 40 or 50 year old cymbal. Well, 2019 - 50 = 1969. I think John meant to say more like 60 to 70 year old cymbal (1949 -59). Time does fly by. Though IMHO there's nothing like the original old 1950's A's.
Can’t wait to see the K cons one
they really sound fantastic! Love my 50s tho
Memphis Drum Shop: "Does Zildjian offer a box set or pack of the Avedis line?? I was also wondering if they ever plan to make smaller cymbals just like the days of the big band era such as 10"-15" plates? Thank -you."
As my grandma loved to said: "there used to be times ..."
The old hi hat is infinitely better!
I still have a 22" ride I bought in 1966.
Those vintage hi-hats are gorgeous
Paul Francis started liftin'. flexin' those biceps
Vintage, hands down..But the new ones are very nice as well.
The old ones beats the new one. There’s something with the overtones I think that the new not have unfortunately.
Someone’s gonna judge your grammar fix it before it’s too late
I think the modern Avedis sounds better. They are lower in pitch with a little less overtones so a smoother sound. They are buttery smooth and pleasing.
They all sound different. Not necessarily better or worse.
100% the vintage. Not even close in my opinion. Much nicer overtones and richness to the cymbals - divine 👌
nicely done!
Both sets sound tremendous. Still prefer the vintage ones, especially the 50's hats. I have a 15" featherweight pair from that era and they are the closest ive heard to the Agop 30th Anniversary hats.
What bass drum/kit is that?
I have a 20”, 18” & 16” Zildjian A from when I first started playing in the early 60’s. What were these early cymbals made of as compared to the b20 bronze of today?
they too are B20 alloy. Coating differs, likely taper too.
The "modern" ones have too much wash - I prefer the dryer sound of the actual vintage ones
The sweet ride sounds better.id love for zyldjian to get the medium A ride to sound like it used to. The old A medium and ping rides sounded much better than the ones being made in the last 25 years.
Both sound great and have their own identity.
I own vintage Zildjian cymbals entirely for the fact they are about two to three hundred dollars cheaper than new Zildjians and they sound the same if not better
The cymbals sizes? 14, 18, 20, 22?
It was better than...think about '60/70 Avedis hats or '70/80 Ping ride...
Interesting!
Hot take but if you want that Vintage sound then just buy hand hammered cymbals. There are so many great brands these days - cymbal & gong, murat diril, istanbul etc. I love Zildjian and almost exclusively use them but I really don't "get" this particular line.
They looks amazing but the old ones have more personality. Maybe the dirty over the decades.
great video and I love John, but they’re like totally different cymbals. doesn’t capture the essence of the classics at all imo
After playing them for a few years now: they are GREAT crash cymbals. Not so good for main rides. Not dry enough, not enough articulation, not enough even distribution of overtones
Cymbalholics are trying to figure out if it’s a transtamp, hollow block or large stamp, or small stamp from the 50s.
anyone know the the sizes are?
From John's left to right: 14", 18", 20", 22"
@@memphisdrumshop thanks and great video series 🤙
All I want is three of each size. Is that too much to ask? Lol
Make a 24 a Avedis ride already
vintage ones exist, they sound better than modern ones anyway
They sound good, but not at all like the old. The old ones were much brighter. Not saying that makes the old cymbals better. They are just different
I know John Riley is getting paid for this video, and the cymbals are very good, but he is realy just sucking up to Zildjian. Paul displays his knowledge and then John confirms it in an awful commercial way.
When he he plays I believe him all the way, when he speaks about this product I tend to doubt him
They've treated him really well as an endorser. He might be overselling the brand, but it gets him access to all the models and sizes he wants to try. I tend to like his MDS videos the least of all their demos, so his opinions don't sell me more towarda Zildjian. I'm a Paiste Stan, but every company makes great cymbals.
Those vintage ones sound amazing, but most vintage A's for sale sound like crap. If you do manage to find great sounding cymbals like these, you'll really be paying for it. Better off buying the new ones.
It’s not aye-vee-dis?? 🤦🏾
Avidas???
The modern Avedis cymbals sound better to me - more definition.
Vintage!
Wait! He was called "Al-vi-DUSS?" When I was 17 years old, and buying my first drum kit and cymbal collection, the salesman always mentioned "UhVEEDIIS Zildjian. When it comes to dealing with dumb american accents and what is currently going on in parts of Turkey...... No surprise.
Happy Holidays, Happy Festivus, ALL OF the HOLIDAY SPIRIT! Then let's call it another year!
Every famous drummer: “Saved up money from my paper route.” Uh huh. Right.
I bought a full set and sold them soon after, just didn’t Iike them.
I’ve been saying “a-veee-dis” for 20 years.. Oops lol
You're right
Who knew right?
Then again maybe he is saying it wrong
Certainly great sounding cymbals worth giving a try
Many foreign names are americanized through constant mispronunciation and become unrecognizable .
Too much gloss on the new ones. They really gotta stop putting that shiny lacquer on the cymbals, they gotta reinvent the [fake] patina
Not really feeling any of them
Too bad zildjian doesn't just make
these great cymbals only, like they
used to, and charge a fair price,
instead of all the crap they
make now, and charge $$$ like
they're great. They've definitely
become elitist play things for the
very well to do. GREED !!!
vintage killed modern.
First of all, what do they mean by ‘vintage’? I hear them both say ‘50 years old’ and ‘40 years old’...does that mean they’re going for that classic 80s ride sound that everyone’s looking for? Or are they dodging by being totally non-specific?
Secondly, they keep fixating on cup size, shape, bow, lathing, and ‘hammering’; the easiest elements to copy when counterfeiting an original. You can take piece of vinyl and duplicate those superficial qualities perfectly. That fake patina gimmick creeped me out big time.
And of course they sound like what they are: horrible facsimiles made with cheap materials and very expensive CNC machines.
Great vintage A’s are going for so cheap these days that there is no incentive to buy these things anyway.