New M5 Competition LCI! BUT is an Old M5 better?!
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2021
- Welcome back to RBR guys! It’s always fun when we have an updated automotive icon to explore isn’t it? The battle for the best Performance Saloon has always been a viciously fought one over the ages, and the most infamous champion in the space has been #BMW’s M5. Ever since the original E12 m535i or the 1985 E28 #M5 with the M88 engine from the M1, the M5 has been the benchmark for the performance saloon.
Now we have the LCI M5, LCI means life cycle if you didn’t know, to dumbest name for facelift ever, but on the face of it looks to address some of the main issues I found with the last competition, while bringing it in line with current cars in terms of tech specifically in the interior.
Things haven’t been easy for the M5 as they used to be a few decades ago. Recent history has seen the rivals from AMG and Porsche make things all the more difficult. New Pan Turbo S is a monster, E63S just updated with marmite looks but much improved suspension allegedly. Plus, I found the #BMWM M8 to be much more comfortable while having better steering, and things like the GT63S exist to make matters more complicated.
Now regardless, I really loved the original M5, with 600 BHP i thought it was powerful enough while maintaining the balance versus comfort that’s so crucial in a performance saloon. Always thought the E63 rode hard, until i drove the M5 Competition and understood the meaning of crashy!
Luckily, M have tackled those very issues. So while the power of the M5 remains 600BHP, and the Competition at 625, the main changes come to the suspension. We have new shock absorbers carried over from the M8, which remember we found to be much better. The chassis has also been retuned.
Now a quick look inside, and let’s hear the stock exhaust system!
So let’s explore the update to the most infamous M Car, with the new M5 competition!
- Rivals of the M5
- F90 M5 pre-facelift old
- F90 Competition pre-facelift
- M5 LCI Chances
- New suspension
- Engine cooling updates
- M Compound Brakes
- Exterior Design
- M5 LCI Performance parts
- Big grille new M5 render
- New M5CS
- Interior review
- Exhaust sound
- Full performance review
- Launch control
- Comfort and steering
- Conclusion
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Like I said in the review, if it was my money a pre-facelift standard M5, or more realistically the E63S from 2017. But that’s just Mr.AMG’s private bias talking! Carry on.
Here I am, with my 520d, watching this video for unknown reasons...
No. You carry on. That’s what we here for, your honest review, no fluffy pie in sky talk. If were my money that I don’t have right now I’d say the same or if money not an issue then look no further than mr p Panamera. As for the exhaust sounds, bwoy oh bwoy, don’t bother fighting it, that’s where we heading in this car world. Silent electric !!! I’m turning over in my grave before it’s even happened. Keep up the content
Standard 2018 is what I have and don’t regret it for a second. The power difference is insignificant (if there really actually is) as both cars run the quarter mile in 10.9 seconds. I’ll take a softer suspension every day of the week since I track the car once a year and drive it to work 200 times per year.
@@nicklevin9321 I 2nd that!
Pre-facelift E63S is literally a big C63S in design, quite disappointing when the midsize Merc used to have its own design language, while the C and S were pretty much small and large versions of each other. The M5 is also simply the more polished, more accomplished car. It’s ever so slightly better in a lot of areas.
This channel should have at least 10M subs. The quality is amazing!
To me the recent years M power cars really shine because of the competition models. Markus Flasch once said in late 2019 or 2020 that around 90% of M power cars are competition ones. The entry level ones are more like a marketing strategy just like AMG 63/63s. Not many people really want a normal AMG or M. When they spent similar money they almost always choose the best version. They would even think the power is not enough and have a tune. The concept is about 'too much is just right.' These car owners usually have many cars as well. I think if people really care about the daily use that much they will just choose a M50i or AMG 53.
Love your channel man! You cover a lot of ground in a short amount of time. Some bling, some stats, some history and boom. Everything needed...
The way Raz talking about performance and is smiling at the same time is unforgettable. Love your reviews and love your new m2cs and c63 as well :)
With the quality of presentation this guy does, he deserves way more subscribers.
You just got to appreciate Raz's level of detail...
This is an amazing channel, really valuable info on the cars being reviewed. Keep it up!
5:31 holy shit 😰🤢
That should be on the 7 and X7 ..
What an absolutely breathtaking car. Really one of the best looking sedans I have ever seen
🚨 Ps. Don’t forget to watch the M5CS video that came before this! ua-cam.com/video/z1uK9_tmO3A/v-deo.html
You're the best. Finally someone talking about M performance parts which is huge factor for BMWs. Also, you could show us some individual colors which would be great to spec on a car.
I like your sense of humor and still amazing on the graphics. Amazing reviews and an amazing channel!! 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Love your channel!!! ❤️❤️
Been subd since your M town video and love the content!
Great reviews and super knowledgeable!!’
amazing editing work, just enjoy watching the video man!
This channel grew on me
It grew on everyone 🤣
The M performance Titanium exhaust option is a must to make this beast rumble. Good review.
I'm actually glad there are no more pops and bangs from the exhaust. I mean this is an M5, not some boy racer.
Dude, I freaking love your channel. You the MAN!
Brilliant review. Level of detail, scrutiny, and transparency make it so.
I adore the detail of the history given for every car reviewed. Best channel by a long way on performance motors.
One of the best channels around ,good work sir👊
short cut buttons are great, I have one set for carplay maps, interior lighting settings, audio tone settings, call me mum, set nav to home. great way to easily get around menus and do simple tasks. sad they are gone.
The M X-Drive is def. impressive. It can put down all the power and never feel like it's interfering. 2WD is only to giggle that you can put it in 2'nd and give it the boot and light up the tires. I never put it in 2WD any more ... all it would do is to require more frequent tire replacement.
What's REALLY surprising is how many miles I get out of a set of 4S ... 20k and still thread left.
I love my 2019 F90 competition. It does everything I like and while it’s a little stiff i actually wanted that. It is my daily driver and the pops and bangs make it fun around other cars. It does scare people walking in my neighborhood!
I am waiting now for a build date on the new CS. I agree with you - BMW always takes it to the next level and I appreciate that!
After 2 years replying your comment. thank you so much, whoever driven this car said that its stiff and other stuffs, but you said its pretty fun 😂 i will buy if i have that kinda money for sure
The only bad thing about your reviews, which are incredibly well done, informative and entertaining, is that I cannot afford any of the cars you review! That's ok, however, as I'll simply drive vicariously through you!
Some good used F90’s out there now .. great job as ever Raz !
Just picked my 2022 M5 Competition up last Monday..it's has pretty harsh ride comfort...close to a 85 Camaro. 😆 . With that said it's an amazing car. Well worth the 14 Zillion dollar price tag.
Subscribed! Love the editing 👍👍
Top quality review as usual 👌I so badly want one
A very precise review in placing this model in the crazy competitive performance sedan segment.
Amazing video. Keep it bro. Your channel is very different to the rest . Wish you best of luck 🤞
Totally agree with you regarding the jarring suspension of the first M5C. I purchased the M5 standard and put the competition wheels on it. Could not handle the ride for a daily driver. Darn I wish this was available when I purchased my car.
This is the perfect sedan. One day soon i will have one just like this one. Cool review
I just ordered a 2021 LCI comp to replace my 2019 M5 comp. I did find the ride stiff but eventually got used to it . Looking forward to the new suspension tuning. the LCI is in black to replace the donington. Great review as always.
So how did it compare?
wondering as well i have a 2020 m5 comp and i dont find it to stiff since i used to daily a fully built 135i that was extremely stiff. But if they made it more comfterable while retaining the same composure on the road thats pretty nice
Great review loved the overlay of the pre LCI to truly compare the differences ... do you know what the coil over option ride would be like ? ... I have an M5 Comp and I completely agree love the car but think it’s more jarring than it could be for ever day use even in comfort
I can't sleep now 🤦🏻♀️
In my opinion when it comes to performance and build quality M5 ahead of E63! Benz might look luxurious to some eyes but build quality isn’t impressive…
You think pre-lci m5 comp suspension was really that harsh? Interesting. I have the 2019 m5 comp and suspension is not bad at all, and this me talking with NYC roads. The e63s was way worse, harder and jarring. The m5 comp is def softer. Now, the non comp m5 is a beautiful balance. Best suspension out of all 3 for rough roads.
I'm with you. I find it totally fine. More comfy than my M3 and 911. I drove it hard on a gravel road with wash-boards, and it handled like a charm (very impressive) and was no issue at all. Yeah it's not a boat, but it's not really hard in my eyes/butt.
you have an M5 and you drive it on 95, 287, and 684? youre crazy bro ahah.
Same - I was worried about this but was prepared to compromise. In reality, the car is absolutely fine and a long (UK) journey with the family this past week just reaffirmed that (my wife will be the first to tell me if she doesn’t like my cars!). My only criticism is at low speeds over speed humps and potholes - it can be a bit crashy so you have to really slow down - but it’s a tiny compromise given the upside of how well this car handles and behaves at speed.
@@goguhu What do you do for a living lol
I actually agree with Ras. The ride in our m5 competition can be a little more comfortable in comfort mode. My rs5 has s much better ride. The 911 gt3 feels hard but that's more of a track car
I'm looking forward for your review of the M5 CS. 😁
I agree about the suspension being fantastic. My video review back in October I commented on the LCI being the best car I’ve driven on my channel...
Brilliant videos like always 1 thing I would like to say is chill with the multiple adds
What a beautiful car, great job with filming.
Hey man, the special effects are really loud in this one! Great video as always
2:05 that bimmer looks so freaking good, the mercs before and right after it are like jokes
Excellent review and Excellent presentation. I think I'm set on the Pre-LCI M5 now. Its cheaper, only a tiny bit slower, Arguably still more comfortable and just as practical. Plus, it sounds better. The only downside is it perhaps doesn't look as new and it doesn't come with a "competition" badge. But I don't think that really matters for me personally.
Great video. Greetings from Zagreb, Croatia.
Bowers and Wilkins exhaust system😂😂😂the savagery Raz. Love the M5
Nice REview as always. Which one do you prefer driving, this 2021 M5 comp or the E63 in terms of driving and handling and excluding the steering wheel point?
Hey Raz! I love your reviews. When will you be doing a review of the BMW X5 M Competition?
It BLOWS my mind up how this car related channel isn''t the most subscribed channel on youtube.
Amazing review. just one thing if possible..could you please tell us the year model, and when the car was introduced. For a fool like myself, i don't know if I am buying the one you are reviewing. you could be in a car introduced as is in 2018. know what i mean? great reviews
I own an M5 comp pre facelift, it really doesn't ride that hard. I love the ride, for me the ride is perfect.
How is the reliability?
Wow Raz, just seeing how your head bobbing up and down like crazy, it looks very jarring to me. 😳
5:35 that looks sick man.
I truly dont know why I used to dislike your channel. I'm glad I found the light
No one needed to know n cares but ok
@@taehokang2551 you cared enough to reply 🤷🏾♂️
@@oarabilemolotsi7445 I’m an outlier
When you chance the car, can you add in a script on the model please. This is getting so confusing. Great vid as always. Love your productions!
Love the videos but can you PLEASE slightly reduce the volume of the effects sounds? Listening this with headphones on low volume is killing haha. Thanks!!
I cant even tell which car is photoshopped or is really there! DAMN! great work
Bought the M5 Comp (thanks to your video over a year ago), really don't find the ride that harsh. Maybe it's because I had a M4 previously.
F10 m5 in sports plus was more comfy than M4 in comfort. But in my opinion f10 m5 was right on the edge of tipping over the balance of usability and performance for everyday driving
I had a 530e before I got my M5 Comp, and I can't really feel any difference in firmness, lol.
You Switch cars like a Hooligan 😂🤪🔥😂💪
Great review. What color is it?
Great video!
Can’t wait for you to review this against the new E63S. Must watch video!!
Spoiler alert: M5 will win!
@@alstound I think you could be right the competition tends to have more power. But which has the overall package I wonder. Both cars look good on paper. I certainly am a fan of the M5 just not a fan of the BMW idrive system but that’s just a small niggle.
@@alstound nope, both are great cars, it comes down to personal preference.
Links for exhausts please looking at buying m8 or new m5 best place to go etc and do they do any yet 👍👍
Another top review
W223 S class review on the horizon Raz?
05:37 that is a ALFA ROMEO GIULIA QUADRIFOGLIO 😅 LOL
Good thing it has the old grill and not the new horrific M4 grill. Grill looks good on M3...if the car is specced in a dark/matte colour.
I believe the revs were done with the exhaust valve closed, with them open there are pops and bangs, more burbles :|
Much better exhaust note
5:29 -- The horror, bro. *THE HORROR*
i would get the old one just to avoid the blue eyeliner
my god the bmw looks so good just wow
Nice video and i cant stop laughing @5:30 lol...😂😂😂
I would have mine without the pops and bangs. Thank you very much
Ya no. On carwow, Matt tested the M5 from 0-60. The M5 Competition did it in 2.9 seconds. Not 3.3
EPIC car!
6:54 What's up with the seat height? You can barely see over the steering wheel :o
My fav saloon of all time altho I’d have it with the MK1 body circa 1985 combined with this version power tech and X drive 👍
What i need to get your video of the 2017 or 2018 bmw m5
Do those new headlights fit on the old m5?
What a beast BMW fan boy forever
Mr. M now! Congrats! You are now converted! 🤣👍🏻
Amazing
my 2022 f90 comp does have pops with sport mode as does others i've seen on other postings
I'm looking forward to your review of the upcoming new C63 when its released.
What if it would be called the C45? Or C35?
@@307skylake7 The Current C43 will be replaced with an entry level C53 on the AMG C Class Line.
@@chanyhcolin Agh what a shame. I always found the ‘63’ to sort of hold the V8 moniker rather than a stupid 4 popper. It is what it is tho, thanks for letting me know!
Rip c63 v8..
Damn you Euro bros got a neutered exhaust system....this sounds worse than a US standard M5 non-comp.
5:32 this can't be unseen. Omg
Is there BMW M5 competition sport 2023?
Does it exist?
I think the 550i appeals as the real powerful daily/family cruiser, rear wheel steer, glass roof. If you've got a sports car you don't need an M5 comp. If you don't then it makes sense as an all in one car. How many you'd really see being exploited down B roads, I have my doubts Vs smaller nimbler cars.
The M550i is plenty good, with even better colour and wheel options than the M5. It’s also the only V8 midsize German saloon where you don’t have to resort to the full M, AMG or RS treatment. It also rides better than its faster sibling. You can’t go wrong with this car, but £30,000 more buys you arguably the best petrol four-door right now. It’s up to you.
@@alstound got an M2 hence comments above.
I really struggle with the purpose of this car. I would never take such a big, heavy car to a track. So, the M5 is lost on me. At this price range new, it makes more sense to me to buy a proper sports car and a solid GT cruiser. This car is beyond overkill for a daily driver especially in the US where you can't come close to ever approach its limits.
I have this car and 2 other sports cars I have a c63 and a 15 sl 550 with a tune and fbo with pures on it but I love my m5
I've owned my m5 comp. for 2 and a half years,,, don't know what others are complaining about a hard suspension?? comp. is way tighter than the reg. m5 with it's many suspension changes...
I’ve had my comp 6 months now, got one of the last pre Lci cars having come from a c63s coupe. I think the ride is very refined especially compared to the c63. I don’t get why people think it’s too hard. Paid 82k too brand new!
I have a non-comp 2018 M5 and on the street I find it better to drive everyday, but I only spent 15 minutes in a comp before I made up my mind. The power difference is completely imperceptible and they actually both cross the quarter mile in 10.9 seconds. On the track I definitely notice the weight of the car so perhaps the comp helps mask the weight on track. I upgraded to the comp/performance exhaust, which is worth every penny. I don’t look at a comp and regret my purchase or wish I had the top dog, which is about to be the CS. It’s an M5 after all and is absolutely ridiculous (in a good way) in standard and comp form.
It is hard, especially driving on country road, not ideal as a family car. Standard M5 is more comfortable
BMW used to make sporty M cars that rides well, now they sway too far and underestimate how bad some roads are in some parts of the civilised world
Can you get the filter removed to improve the sound?
Raz, im buying a 21 E63s sedan, please can you review one again, test or something. Cheers
My issue with these performance cars is ride firmness - they can be harsh and not suited to relaxed driving - only seat of pants stuff. So i'm thinking of getting an s63 coupe in uk but i worry about it not being 4 wheel drive - and am therefore favouring an amg gt63s (aware that it'll sacrifice the ride quality - but not as much as the m series from what ive researched?) ...I dont chop and change cars much - I know i like mercs and the s63 would be a zero brainer if it had 4matic. Whats your view? - Having rolled at 80 during my youth im not keen on high powered cars that will kill you if you make an error due to being stupidly powerful through only the rear typres. Should i worry about this with the s63 in anyone elses view?
hey mate great video, but that sound effect used when transitioning the cars is much louder than your voice. That mixed with it's repetitive use makes it very irritating
The M5 CS just dropped on BMW's site fyi. BMWUSA anyways as of 1/30/21 GOLD WHEELS, Yellow lights, carbon buckets front AND back...sexy fuck.
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Channel repositioning or just some diversity? I'm loving the M2 CS despite it being auto. As a S213 E63 wagon owner, I find myself coverting an Alpina B3 wagon, it must be catching this Munich thing.
Let's hope, that the next M5 will still have a V8, a good looking grille that most people actually like and not too many screens.
Wtf
What is the name of this color?
I LOVE the F10 M5 bodywork and I just am not the biggest fan of the 18-20 body style. It still looks good, but I’ve never liked it enough to want it over an F10.
The 2021 DEFINITELY does it for me on the looks front. Now I can look forward to all the awesomeness of improvements over the F10!!
Lol, I just got past the 16:30 point of this video. Your demeanor of sadness of not getting the beast mode sound out of it is great. Personally, I don’t need that at all out of a car like this. I’ve heard some great sounding versions of the F10 and various F90’s, but you’re right, at least if you DONT like it, that’s one of the easiest things to fix.