I add my vote with commenters below - go used. The original owner paid the depreciation for you and had all the initial defects fixed for you. If you get 2 or 3 years old, you'll be a winner! IMHO. ( I bought a 2-year old used class A and never looked back it was a really good unit and deal)
Agreed, hard to justify new, especially since you stated you anticipate only a few weeks a year going between destinations. Your best bang for buck will be used. Also keep in mind anything on a sprinter chassis will require a MB dealer that is sprinter certified (not all MB dealers are - actually probably about 10% maybe?), I had to drive (or tow🤬) to next state to get sprinter service for my 2017 ERA, passing 4 MB dealers along the way! I eventually traded into a Travato K. Much happier, pretty much any dodge dealer can service a promaster. Food for thought!
I agree with you, Class B's are mostly priced a bit high. Tough to justify comparing with your boat or a Class A or C. But on the other hand I can see how nice it would be to park anywhere you want with a small Class B. I can totally understand your want for one versus your Mini and staying in hotels. Much to be said about sleeping in your own bed.
Hey you two. Good to see you online. Ok...my wife and I just watched and here's our perspective FWIW. *You're looking for a larger vehicle because:* 1) You have a lot of stuff you're always carrying back and forth and need more room 2) It has to be under 20' 3) More comfortable on long drives 4) Only are looking to maybe stay 3-4 weeks total/yr. at local State Parks, RV Resorts etc. 5) Currently looking at Class B's that are out the door ranging from $120K - $140K or there about *Here's our thinking if it was us:* • Buy a mini van ( heck, a new one if you want)-that's towable 4 down-trick it out some and say spend tops $50K - That solves #1 thru #3 • Then the 3 -4 weeks/yr. you want to go to State Parks etc. rent a cabin and the times you feel you really want or have to go boon-docking, hook the van up to the bus and go *In conclusion, you'll save $75 - $100K or so and solve most all your issues. That money saved will buy a whole lot of cabin rental and leave a ton of extra cash for other fun, and toys. And besides, do you really need another complicated vehicle to maintain and chase problems? You guys IMO are busy enough already. But it is fun to look isn't it?*
In your requirements (size, price, technology, practicability), Hymer Aktiv 1.0 is really it. You were right to look at it first time around and wrong to walk away this time. How often are you going to put bed up or down? Most people using Aktiv leave bed down most of the time and still have plenty of space under the bed for storage/doggie bed/cat litter box. And the mattress is something that can be easily replaced if that is your concern. You could go with Travato style mattress by just ordering memory foam and going with custom sleeve for the mattress. Would cost you almost nothing. Aktiv is also relatively inexpensive even with full lithium package and it fits in almost any parking space, especially if you remove spare wheel at the back.
While the Aktiv didn't impress us much the second time around, that doesn't mean it's not still on the list. But the recent Hymer news does give us great pause as to the sustainability of the company in the near term.
@@Technomadia Yes, the company is in turmoil and it is a huge concern in regards of post sales support. Agree with you on that point entirely. Any sane person should not buy Roadtrek or Hymer brands until we get a clarity of the situation and new management at the top. My comment was more in regards of layout and your remarks regarding bedding. With compact size being a huge priority, you really only have Carado, Simplicity and Aktiv to choose from and, IMHO, Aktiv is the best of the three from practicality, technology and features included for the price. There is also Sprinter based Aktiv, which is an interesting alternative if you want Mercedes chassis instead of RAM Promaster (aka Fiat Dukato).
As many have said, look into the pre-owned market especially at the Pleasure-Way Lexor TS (twin sofa) or FL (front lounge) since Pleasure-Way's quality appealed to you both. Both the Lexor TS and FL have the larger bathroom than the Ascent, which you liked at the show, and a bit longer than the 19'7" sprinter coming in at 20'11" for the 3500 Promaster chassis. The interior of the Lexor is about four inches wider than the Mercedes choices, and their wall lines are straighter from floor to ceiling giving a less closed feeling. Also, less expensive than the Mercedes Sprinter choices with the exact coach amenities. Think 2017 or 2018 models, with optional solar panels, which have both the lithium ion batteries plus the 2000 watt inverter. Prior to 2016, they had a smaller inverter... I believe only 450 watts even with the lithium batteries. Look at RVtrader.com, RTV.com, and rvunivers.com for the used market choices, and even join the facebook page for "Pleasure-Way Owners and Wannabees" for great info regarding owner's experience and some leads to probably well cared for rigs... With all that said... I just got an accepted offer on a 2017 Pleasure-Way TS, which of course is the Mercedes, but I truly wanted that chassis over the Promaster (Lexor model) as for my personal choice. ( Longer travels, better fuel mileage, and a more comfortable cockpit.) I'm super excited, but not in the finalized stage yet, so I must be patient!! I have been obsessed over researching Class B's for the past several months, so if you have any questions, feel free to reach out!! Thank you for the nice video and good luck in your continued adventures!! -Perry Just
Enjoyed the tour. I'm still lusting for a (brand new) mid 1960's VW campervan. Why, oh, why won't auto makers in this country offer a reasonably priced camper that will fit inside a standard garage? I think the auto/rv industry is missing the mark on this idea. They'd sell a million of 'em...
That's the size many, MANY of us want, Diane! My theory is that the rv industry won't design and sell a small camper van because of the low profit margin per unit. The industry is short sighted not to realize this size rv would make money by quantity sold. They are making huge profits by pushing out large poorly designed cheaply produced junk so why bother to recreate and redesign the old VW bus? To add insult to injury, rv lobbyists have made it impossible for Americans to import small well designed efficient Euro camper vans. To me, the bottom line is greed.
I agree. I rented one in Scotland last summer and fell in love. Nothing "garageable" is mass produced here. The Pleasure Way Tofino had the right idea but it's still too tall for a garage :(
Please note, Mercedes has a new Sprinter van that is coming out. You may also consider a custom build that fits your specific needs. Companies like Outside Van, etc. can build something specifically to your needs. I think going to a van is a good idea.
From the shot of you sitting on your boat looked like you were in Sanford. Hope to see you on the loop. We will enjoy your continued search. Thanks also for the video on staying connected a while back.
Of all the you tubers that go to the RV Shows your explanations were the BEST. The others either go to fast or leave you wanting more info that is meaningful and helpful. Thank you so much. You talk and point out the things that matter to most people. TRIPLE thumbs up.
Agreed on the Pleasureway as well! Their floorplans can't be beat & great to hear that you didn't notice formaldehyde, which is so pervasive in tbe industry.
Greetings from Saguaro SKP park Benson lot 194:-) Was excited to hear you were a new leaseholder just a few lots from mine - but disappointing to hear you're not coming to Benson this winter-:( I've followed your blogs/vlogs for several years now and thank you for sharing! Today I noticed a new UA-cam video detailing your search for a van camper. I understand you're searching for something short ( less than 20 feet ) but full featured. Personally I own an Airstream Westfalia - which I use as both a daily driver and for my summer travels to escape the desert heat! Only 250 of these unique van campers were imported into the USA in 2005/2006. The van is a Mercedes Sprinter model year 2004 and the camper conversion was done by Westfalia in Germany. Airstream was the importer/distributor. On a rare occasion one of these comes up for sale. Last week I noticed one for sale in the Bay area. Here is a link to the for sale listing: sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/richmond-2005-airstream-sprinter-camper/6783905170.html If you want to find out more about the Airstream Westfalia here is a link to an owners forum: sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72410
Agreed! I love theirs & the Hymer Activ, both newer, BETTER tech! I lack the 💰💰💰 but if I had it, I'd definitely look exclusively at the new lithium Class Bs!
Sounds like a good idea. You could explore the lands around the marina while on the great loop and still be able to get out west from where ever you stop cruising in the winter. What you save in hotels certainly would help with the cost. Maybe used might fit you needs. When the snow birds migrate north for the summer you may find a great deal. Happy sailing.
One more voice saying avoid the Mercedes. You can get a Sprinter as a Freightliner and that gives you a much better service network. As you know from the bus, a used diesel will last forever.
Mercedes and freightliner are the same as soon as you get under the hood. Actually I got into wreck and the Mercedes parts were cheaper so now unless you look at the title it's a Mercedes.
Carado Axion 17'5 but the Ascent is pretty cool, but if you are spending that much might as well go for the Lexor, no bigger than a full size truck. Either way used!
If you decide to go longer, I love the Lazy Daze Twin King. It’s not $140,000, even when new. I think it’s around $100k new. A used one can easily be $50k or less. It’s well built, open, full bathroom and kitchen, and a nice lounge that converts to a bed. Plus it’s a class c so there’s a bed/ storage over the cab. No slide outs- that’s a plus for me!! Only thing that doesn’t fit your needs is that it’s 24 feet.
I'm looking at the 2018 Pleasureway Lexor TS because of it's quality build, the lithium battery, solar and it's short length. I wanted gas versus diesel since some of the states don't carry the diesel that keeps the mfg. warranty secure and I understand more states will be following the trend. The 2019 has a couple minor changes color in the bath, larger kitchen sink, and upholstery on front seats but didn't in my mind make up for the difference in price between the '18 and the 2019. I believe it is Ultramobility website who compares and grades vans and overall gives Pleasureway a very high grade. Good luck, doing the math hotel stays might be ahead, but they don't offer the convenience of your own space or the convenience of stopping wherever you want. After all, you are still 'campers' aren't you ?
We rented a Hymer in Europe for travel. They are one of the leading "caravan" manufacturers across the pond. It was nice for the narrow road ways. Our choice for the USA is a Pleasure Way. We've looked at new & used - Pleasure Way doesn't show wear as easily.
Building your own rig is so much better -- you get the things (technology, comfort) that you want and avoid the things that really don't matter to you. If you can't do it yourself, have one of the outfitters do it. Infinitely better quality and customized.
We did essentially everything on our bus ourselves - so we are very familiar with the pros and cons. In this case for our class B we don’t have the time or a place to do a build of our own. Different goals now.
awww, I was thre 3 days.....great to know ya'll were there though, my first RV show ever and I was like a kid in the biggest toy store ever......lesson learned.....try to video the spec sheet or postage outside the vehicle so I remember which was which lol....I was so excited I forgot to pay attention and just video taped the interior most of the time....do think I remember a rather roomy ? Winnie more of a van....(looked at Class B and Cs)it was 'at the back ' area with the other Winnies...not in the air conditioned building amazed at the variation in floor plans in the 26 to 32 ft......and there was a 26 ft that seemed roomier than the 30 ish ones....of course that twas one of the ones I videoed the interior of and forgot to make a note of which model it was.....already planning to go to next year's show (our 'supposed' 2 year plan, hope to find the 'right' one by next year)...being new we had no idea of the discounted 'show price' ......happy travels and best of luck on finding your van
For sure.. videoing what you're looking at is super helpful. That's honestly how this video came into being, we were really doing it for our own memory ;)
You two warm my heart! You do your homework like we do and we see so many people these days that pull the switch and then ask questions. Great video, love seeing how you pick and choose what works and what doesn't. If only the mfgs would follow suit.
There are also a lot of new options for ouFord Transit Connect, and Promaster City microvans. There are modular kits for beds, slideout kitchens, and poptops. The advantage here would be you could pull all that stuff out and have a huge cargo space when using it as a regular vehicle. The downside, is no bathroom which seemed important to you.
I too am looking for a 19 foot & your observations are right on the mark! While I am still looking for the right fit, my husband and I camp in the mini-van. I would recommend looking at the Chrysler Pacifica. The interior folds flat, has all of the bells & whistles - towing hitch, cameras, sensors, roof rack, etc. They sell a tent that connects to the back which extends the space for air flow when sleeping. You could probably hook up solar to the top and charge a battery. The sky's the limit. If you buy one I recommend purchasing in Florida. We saved a bundle by finding a good price and then price matching.
We just purchased the PW LEXOR FL and love the PW quality, and the PW company support. The Ram Promaster is easy to drive and navigate tight spaces. The electronics are very easy to use. Love the auto generator start to run the ac when we’re out and our dog stays behind. If you buy a PW give them our pleasure way ambassador number {685} and you and I will get a $250 rebate/reward. As a follower of you channel I have been helped by the information you’ve provided. So if I can return the favor would be happy to help.
Love the video and exactly where we are in the mind set. Trying to go cheap ourselves for an everyday vehicle with MPG on our mind seeing we will probably put 15k+ a year on it. Like the gas coaches for that reason. Will be curious where you end up in your research. The Simplicity price point is solid, will have to have to look at that one again. Cheers!
I will be interested to see what you end up getting. I have had two "camper vans" and moved up to a 25 ft. Navion on the Sprinter Chassis. Love the room but recently have been thinking about building out a "mild adventure van" with a raised roof and AWD. I really like the size and ease of driving smaller vehicles. Enjoy you channel and web site.
The Rialtas are very nice... we traveled in a LeSharo for a bit (the predecessor). But it is a touch too long, and looks a bit too much like an RV from the outside.
I don't think I could do 100K for a camper van, but the 69K ones looked pretty decent, I would definitely look at some used ones too. Someday my hubby and I would like to get a camper van. Take care Guys! FYI, I live in Florida, Brevard county. :-)
You two have been awesome for showing us good value in other areas ( internet,) so I can't emphasize enough going to RVTravel.com and checking their Facebook page for people who have recently bought lemons. They had 7k plus sign up in that many weeks. Quality is missing in the rush to cash in on the current RV craze. This site also lists all the recalls as well. It is an eye opener. Before you buy used, please visit this Facebook page so you don't buy someone else's problem. BTW, it is almost as important to research the dealer you are buying from. Good luck!
a good place to comparison shop is Ultramobility -- here on YT. He does a really good job comparing the Specs on class B's. My favorite Pleasure way is the Pursuit they are around 20ft. Those can be found used and are very nice. Happy Hunting :)
Bob Wells just put up a video interviewing a woman named Pixie who bought a second hand 19' Class C from Cruise America.com. It was a 2013 with about 123k miles, and prices online are in the $33K range for those they presently have for sale. It wouldn't hurt to check them out on their website and see if any tickle your fancy. It seems silly and overkill to buy an expensive new rig considering the use you have planned. They remove their decals and put one on that calls it Majestic. Hey, you never know. It's just the right size for parking easily.
Love your kitty!!! I live here in Tampa and have been going to this same huge RV show since the 80's when I was a kid..Back then the highlight of the show for me was seeing the 1980's Foretravel and Wanderlodges!! They were what the new million dollar Newell's are today...I did get to own my dream coach many years later a 1983 Wanderlodge as featured on my channel..Welcome to Tampa and hope to run into you guys!!! Have fun!!!
We just got the Travato K Lithium and are super happy with it. We originally wanted shorter length but didn’t want a generator. The extra foot has not been an issue, using it as my daily driver and parking it everywhere
When the sprinter is new it seems wonderful give it time give it miles and then the expenses to keep it on the road will begin to rack up in a huge way mark my words!
Check this one out!!! It's debuting at that RV Show!!! The Carado Axion Studio (w/Loft)!!!! It is only 17 feet long and will make a perfect daily driver with all the "bells and whistles" of a full size RV!!!! I want one so bad!!!
I have a 2018 Travato 59K. I park in regular parking spaces most times. I love my K, you were looking at the G model. Keep searching, you'll find the one that fits you.
Cheryl's RV Travato Travels I love the Travato 59k (from what I can tell watching videos!) One of my main concerns is the van height and clearing parking garage entrances/exits since we will mainly use it for out of town medical visits.
Brilliant idea! How cool to have 3 traveling homes!there are 19 ft class c TVs too. The road trek Zion would be my choice the kitchen is on the correct side. I also love the travato 59k. But I need 2 sleeping spaces and a decent sized bathroom. You could always do a custom build out.
We really like the travato 59k. It is wide open, perfect for what we want to do(weekend trips and long drives to family). Decent price. Then we saw the PW Lexor FL. Absolutely loved the quality. Almost seems to nice for what we plan to do but .... we like the quality
G was nice but the bed seems high and not big enough for us. Also didn't like that there is a pump in the shower drain to get the water to the tank. K has a nice open feel. bathroom was huge (a big plus for me) and very usable. Pleasure Way is what is making our decision tough. Roughing it vs luxury :) Best of luck with your decision.
We have a 2018 PleasureWay Ascent and already have 18,000 miles on it. We have loved it but with any new rig you will probably have bugs that need to be worked out so make sure you have access to PW technicians, especially on the road. If you can get something a few years old you will probably be better off. However, the Pleasureway warranty is not transferable. If you end up getting a PW, you might want to check out my YT channel. I am a member of your MIRC. Appreciate all the good work you guys do. Good luck with your search.
@@Technomadia We had an issue with our propane line that I thought was a refrigerator problem. It took some time for the dealer to figure it out but eventually we got it resolved. The problem we encountered was when we tried to get a dealer to look at it on the road. They all claimed they were booked for weeks or months. We finally found a helpful dealer in Colorado Springs (we live in So Cal), but while they thought they had discovered the problem, they hadn't. We have never been charged for anything but we are the original owners. Because of the technician shortage (regardless of the brand), it can become quite frustrating when you are on the road--which would always apply to you guys. Check out their on line map of dealer locations. The other issue most people don't consider is that the components (fridge, air, heaters, etc.) are all warranted by the manufacturer, not PW. PW is only warrantying their build. That said, we have been very pleased with the build quality of PW. Here is my email if you need any more info: energymaven@gmail.com
Had our PW TS for 6 yrs now -- only prob was a defective water pump, which they replaced no questions asked. PW typically has a very good resale value. In Canada the warranty is transferable I was told. Our van is about 23' with the continental spare. No trouble fitting into 99 percent of city parking spots, including malls, gas stations etc. We're very happy and would recommend. One way to save depreciation is to buy a new one that is approaching a yr old on the lot. They get big incentives to clear them out. They took 30k off ours!
I was at the same show on the same day and I have been doing research for one year and narrowed it down to the Winnebago Travato GL and the ERA 70b and the winner is ERA 70b it is 24 feet long. I would be living in it full-time 365x.
After a big Class A and three Airstreams, my neighbor just downsized to a Leisure Travel Van. She travels alone and all the hitching and unhitching got to be too much for her. Her van is gorgeous and she loves it! Many people say that the used market is the way to go because you don't have to deal with the big chunk of new vehicle depreciation. Happy hunting!
👍 well done. Appreciate your critique of the various vans. I’d like to see all of the garage areas too. You’re the 1st reviewers I’ve seen show the twin beds up/stored away and I agree...kinda awkward for the user.
Years ago I had a Class A and my wife and I decided to purchase another RV, thinking similar to you that we wanted a Class B van conversion. However we didn't find one with a reasonable bathroom and comfortable bed. We decided on the Mercedes Sprinter Chassis with slide-outs, finally deciding on the Thor Synergy. Queen bed, shower separate from toilet and theater reclining salon seats. Our analogy was Class A is poppa bear, Class B is baby bear and the Sprinter chassis with slide-outs is momma bear.....just right. The Synergy drives great and is very quiet even with its diesel engine.
We did our first 4 years full time in trailers smaller than most vans we're looking at. We're not too intimidated by the bathroom and space.. but a comfy bed is important.
We just bought a Ford Transit campervan from DLM distributions in MN.....solid build and great price point......was not impressed with RV quality in the industry now.
I found out by trial and err, the smooth finished, lamenant siding sucks, especially if going into the southwest. The material comes apart.(starts to form bubbles in the material due to glue problems. I prefer the the metal siding, plus a lot less in weight. Unless your spending 100k plus, then it makes a difference
Great to see you back on the RV side of life. You have opened up an entirely new level of consciousness in terms of RV buying. I never would have thought you would be in the market for a Class B - but after watching your video I completely understand - it's genius! I think it makes perfect sense for both of you. I cannot really offer any new insights or advice in which van to consider - it seems you are already looking at the best ones. I have always liked Leisure Travel Vans but they are pricey and probably too large for your needs - but they have great quality and interesting designs. Did you look at any of the Airstream vans? Too bad we missed seeing you at the Tampa RV show 2 days ago. We did attend it for 2 days and managed to meet a number of other Vloggers - LJMJ, RV Love, Eat See RV, as well as seeing that Pippi was there too. Since we could not be in Quartzsite this year then Tampa was the place to be! But we were also primarily looking at Class A's, and not at all at Class B's. Not that we are looking to get out of our 2005 Winnebago Adventurer as we have done so much to it to make it really livable and comfortable for us. But it is nice to see what new models have to offer - and nothing at the show blew us away - at all. Just more variations of the same. With a BIG leaning towards the higher end, really pricey Class A's > 40' (not for us). But it was an interesting show to attend after becoming full timers and living in our RV most of the past year. We have already traveled coast-to-coast and have learned a great deal about what features & amenities are important. I guess our biggest take-away from the show is that it seems that most RV designers have never really RV'd in their life, because we have found that it is the "little" touches and features which really help determine user friendly functionality in an RV. And most of the new models we trekked through were sorely lacking in many small, but important details. Again - too bad we missed meeting you at the show as we would have liked to at least say Hi. Good luck in your van search!!
I think you are being a little overly restrictive on length. The travato looks like a winner to me ether in its new form with lithium or a used one that is a few years old. That said I live somewhere where I regularly have to dodge four door long bed trucks trucks that are sticking well outside of their parking space. So I might have a somewhat warped view on vehicle length
We haven’t ruled out something the length of a Travato, but in east coast marina parking lots I worry that anything over 20’ might be pushing our luck.
@@Technomadia I can see that. It just kinda sucks how few options there are under 20 feet and an extra foot doesn't seem like a whole lot given what you get for it.
@@mgkleym We were also at the Tampa Show yesterday and the day before and tried out the Travatos. There is not nearly enough sleeping room in the "G" (46" width) for two people - we tried. The "K" is much better.
Agreed, for the price point in new the Travato has a lot going for it. Lithium versions can be purchased around $110k and well under $100k for generator models. But if you’re anticipating staying in it only a few weeks through the year, your best bang for buck will be used. I had a 2017 ERA on sprinter, at 24’ too long and had a few sprinter issues but had to go into next state to find a MB dealer that was sprinter certified to service. That’s a bummer for Anything on a Sprinter Chassis. I traded the ERA into a Travato K. Much happier. Gas gen, bigger bath, airy open space inside. I recommend going with the promaster chassis - Dealer network is way better and the gas motor is popular with almost any repair shops.
Typically I would suggest almost any Camping/Traveling van in a Ford Model with a Quigley 4x4 Modification. Used of course and pre-sprinter design. With or without a raiseable or lifted roof addon/extension. The costs would be not necessarily cheap, but these vehicles, used, do maintain their value quite well, and if the documentation is missing when purchased you can contact the various companies that helped do the build-out and get all the necessary documentation. Additional expenses will go out to get Solar, Batteries, etc, but anyone I have suggested this route too has never had a complaint, the 4x4 from Quigley use actual Ford Parts to build out their 4x4 mods, so there is no searching for exotic or special parts, and being a 4x4 can be naturally set up for towing by y'all's bus (Though I would also recommend that additional electronic break upgrade for any towed vehicle of this weight/size for towing. Or something like this: ua-cam.com/video/zGDKL3pJbsQ/v-deo.html www.cruiseamerica.com/buy/modelDetails.aspx?modelID=125&Make=Thor%20Majestic%20&ModelNo=19G&Model=19G Occasionally you can find these 4x4 mods with Quigley or Agile Off Road brands (Quigley is superior, but has a longer waiting period IF you need to have van converted to a 4x4, but would be well worth time to do so.) May not be what you are looking into, but just my 2 cents and what I have recommended to others in the past. Good luck you two and keep on keeping on
That’s some serious outside the box thinking to come up with the idea of a camper van to get you between your boat and converted bus, I like it! I’m going to suggest something to think about, and a recommendation. You mentioned three purposes for the van: 1) Around the town vehicle while living in the boat 2) transporting equipment between boat and bus 3) camping in while transitioning If 80-90% of your usage falls under the fist two, you might think about something that’s more van, and less camper, “rough it” a little more while in transit, because you’ll be using those campground bathrooms anyway. Just a thought. Now a recommendation. We test drove a Mercedes Metris and it was a delight to drive (for a van), gets great MPG, and can haul a bunch more than the Transit Connect (which is also nice). We are getting one to tow our 24’ trailer as we prepare to go full time next year.
You forgot the 4th and likely more important purpose - 4) Camping while boat and filming for 'The RVers'. Our usage will have a strong component of camping, attending RV events, etc. . We've done our roughing it days (full time for a year in a t@B with no bathroom)... been there, done that.. NEVER again. :).
Technomadia that’s right! Well, I wish you all the luck, maybe a nice high tech camper van upfitter will recognize the advertising opportunity you represent and give you one to drive around in for free.
I have found that shopping for an RV or a boat, I ALWAYS find things I would want to do different. Therefore I am a HUGE Skoolie fan. That way I can build it the way I want. I also have a '97 Dodge conversion that I want to make into a TOAD. Extra storage and a vehicle that can go anywhere that the bus can't. Love your guys vids and looking forward to living vicariously through you!
I would strongly advise you to rent one first. Maybe rent the smaller and then the longer to see how it is to park. Also, we have a class b plus and I would not buy this particular one again. The next time if we buy this size I would insist on twin beds because the beds pushed up against the wall are the devil to make up and I have to use a step stool to climb onto the bed at night. Also the bathroom is very tiny and I bump into everything when the door is shut. We just solved that too-small double-sided kitchen sink problem with a high profile faucet. That helped SO much. Can't wait to see the new show. Enjoy the hunt for your van!
...But even way more expensive than Pleasure-Way, so not sure if it would be a reasonable choice for your needs. Advanced-RV has great, customized quality but at a higher price point.
If I can get an RV, Classic B is what I'd get. I'm an utter newbie (had a pop-up camper 30 years ago), and really appreciate y'all's experience and commentary. And I'm not feeling so stupid, since I'd come to some of the same conclusions. I envy your being near a show that has so many B and C vehicles to climb into. Atlanta seems to be all A and towables.
good idea. I've had these vans for many years - they are hard to beat for convenience. I would not flat tow one behind a bus though - they are a heavy vehicle and the forces on them from towing would be too much.
We bought a 2018. Winnebago 59 g. Love the dinett up front but the Murphy bed is very claustrophobic for me. We are going to trade in for a van we put components in our selves which are built by someone else. We are going to by a Mercedes 4 by 4 passenger van to put everything into. This will be much cheaper and then we can use the van for different things. Good luck on getting the right fit.
We were highly intrigued by the 59G. But the bed does seem a touch narrow for three (2 humans, one cat). But we could make it work, we do all three snuggle well together.
@@Technomadia before you buy it climb into the bed with blankets and pillows. Suddenly things feel much narrower and the above cabinet is low to the bed so you can't sit up under it lol. Good luck!
Pleasureway is hands down quality wise the best. The only thing that's holding us back is the gas powered generator but we've heard (from Pleasureway) that the undermount generators run hot. If you are going to be staying in campgrounds with it, then you wouldn't have to worry about the generator as much. We keep going back to the Lexor FL for 2 reasons. The first reason is that we don't want to service a Mercedes and the problems that come with that. We also found the FL has an incredible difference in useable space up front (no room in the regular lexor for your feet when you swivel the chair) which gives you the option to keep the bed set up. One other thing - make sure you have leg room for sleeping as some of them are a little lacking which would make it hard for taller people. We want to buy used but people want their money out of them because they know they will get it.....almost makes me want to buy a bus and a boat. :)
The Pleasure Way camper vans that seem the most open and roomy are the one with two twin beds that will convert to a king. Having a full width bath just behind the beds gives the most room for a dry bath. I'd go for a 3 year old model just so I'm not the one stuck with the initial huge depreciation.
Love your channel and everything about you guys. You guys have built my dream bus..lol. But I'm a beginner rver wannabe and I'm thinking class b vans for cheaper entry point into the lifestyle perhaps. Was gonna say if you go used, you can find some nice clean and good used ones out there, some look really nice and clean even at 20 yrs old. At that age range you can find used for like $40,000 or $50,000. Cheaper than those expensive new ones. If you really trying to pinch pennies some people find ones for $20,000 or $30,000. The 40-50,000 range shouldn't need much work on nice ones. Good luck in your search.
I add my vote with commenters below - go used. The original owner paid the depreciation for you and had all the initial defects fixed for you. If you get 2 or 3 years old, you'll be a winner! IMHO. ( I bought a 2-year old used class A and never looked back it was a really good unit and deal)
Agreed, hard to justify new, especially since you stated you anticipate only a few weeks a year going between destinations.
Your best bang for buck will be used.
Also keep in mind anything on a sprinter chassis will require a MB dealer that is sprinter certified (not all MB dealers are - actually probably about 10% maybe?), I had to drive (or tow🤬) to next state to get sprinter service for my 2017 ERA, passing 4 MB dealers along the way!
I eventually traded into a Travato K. Much happier, pretty much any dodge dealer can service a promaster.
Food for thought!
This is the conclusion I’ve come to after doing much research. I’m going to get a class b used in the next year sometime.
I’m RV shopping myself so it was nice having a couple of experts asking the questions for us. Great video! Cheers!!!
I agree with you, Class B's are mostly priced a bit high. Tough to justify comparing with your boat or a Class A or C. But on the other hand I can see how nice it would be to park anywhere you want with a small Class B. I can totally understand your want for one versus your Mini and staying in hotels. Much to be said about sleeping in your own bed.
Van sounds like a great compromise. When we get back from voyaging, we want to give land voyaging a shot and this was a great eye opener!
Hey you two. Good to see you online. Ok...my wife and I just watched and here's our perspective FWIW.
*You're looking for a larger vehicle because:*
1) You have a lot of stuff you're always carrying back and forth and need more room
2) It has to be under 20'
3) More comfortable on long drives
4) Only are looking to maybe stay 3-4 weeks total/yr. at local State Parks, RV Resorts etc.
5) Currently looking at Class B's that are out the door ranging from $120K - $140K or there about
*Here's our thinking if it was us:*
• Buy a mini van ( heck, a new one if you want)-that's towable 4 down-trick it out some and say spend tops $50K
- That solves #1 thru #3
• Then the 3 -4 weeks/yr. you want to go to State Parks etc. rent a cabin and the times you feel you really want or have to go boon-docking, hook the van up to the bus and go
*In conclusion, you'll save $75 - $100K or so and solve most all your issues. That money saved will buy a whole lot of cabin rental and leave a ton of extra cash for other fun, and toys. And besides, do you really need another complicated vehicle to maintain and chase problems? You guys IMO are busy enough already. But it is fun to look isn't it?*
I think you missed a few of our important desires in your list :)
In your requirements (size, price, technology, practicability), Hymer Aktiv 1.0 is really it. You were right to look at it first time around and wrong to walk away this time. How often are you going to put bed up or down? Most people using Aktiv leave bed down most of the time and still have plenty of space under the bed for storage/doggie bed/cat litter box. And the mattress is something that can be easily replaced if that is your concern. You could go with Travato style mattress by just ordering memory foam and going with custom sleeve for the mattress. Would cost you almost nothing. Aktiv is also relatively inexpensive even with full lithium package and it fits in almost any parking space, especially if you remove spare wheel at the back.
While the Aktiv didn't impress us much the second time around, that doesn't mean it's not still on the list. But the recent Hymer news does give us great pause as to the sustainability of the company in the near term.
@@Technomadia Yes, the company is in turmoil and it is a huge concern in regards of post sales support. Agree with you on that point entirely. Any sane person should not buy Roadtrek or Hymer brands until we get a clarity of the situation and new management at the top. My comment was more in regards of layout and your remarks regarding bedding. With compact size being a huge priority, you really only have Carado, Simplicity and Aktiv to choose from and, IMHO, Aktiv is the best of the three from practicality, technology and features included for the price. There is also Sprinter based Aktiv, which is an interesting alternative if you want Mercedes chassis instead of RAM Promaster (aka Fiat Dukato).
Very interesting and rather easy to watch. However, the best shot was Kiki leading you down the motel hallway. That cracked me up.
Haha.. I couldn't resist putting the clip in :). Glad you enjoyed it.
They are an inspiration and they give you a lot to think about how things could be
You both are so kind and smart, thanks for your help!
Oh my that just looks like a daunting task. Enjoy the journey, Cheers to finding the unit that fits you all.
I was wanting to go to the RV show in Fort Worth but missed it. Thanks for going and showing me around the Class B's that are out there. :)
As many have said, look into the pre-owned market especially at the Pleasure-Way Lexor TS (twin sofa) or FL (front lounge) since Pleasure-Way's quality appealed to you both. Both the Lexor TS and FL have the larger bathroom than the Ascent, which you liked at the show, and a bit longer than the 19'7" sprinter coming in at 20'11" for the 3500 Promaster chassis. The interior of the Lexor is about four inches wider than the Mercedes choices, and their wall lines are straighter from floor to ceiling giving a less closed feeling. Also, less expensive than the Mercedes Sprinter choices with the exact coach amenities. Think 2017 or 2018 models, with optional solar panels, which have both the lithium ion batteries plus the 2000 watt inverter. Prior to 2016, they had a smaller inverter... I believe only 450 watts even with the lithium batteries. Look at RVtrader.com, RTV.com, and rvunivers.com for the used market choices, and even join the facebook page for "Pleasure-Way Owners and Wannabees" for great info regarding owner's experience and some leads to probably well cared for rigs...
With all that said... I just got an accepted offer on a 2017 Pleasure-Way TS, which of course is the Mercedes, but I truly wanted that chassis over the Promaster (Lexor model) as for my personal choice. ( Longer travels, better fuel mileage, and a more comfortable cockpit.) I'm super excited, but not in the finalized stage yet, so I must be patient!! I have been obsessed over researching Class B's for the past several months, so if you have any questions, feel free to reach out!! Thank you for the nice video and good luck in your continued adventures!!
-Perry
Just
Enjoyed the tour. I'm still lusting for a (brand new) mid 1960's VW campervan. Why, oh, why won't auto makers in this country offer a reasonably priced camper that will fit inside a standard garage? I think the auto/rv industry is missing the mark on this idea. They'd sell a million of 'em...
That's exactly the size I'd want. I already have garage space in my urban co-op building. I couldn't afford to pay for additional garage space.
That's the size many, MANY of us want, Diane! My theory is that the rv industry won't design and sell a small camper van because of the low profit margin per unit. The industry is short sighted not to realize this size rv would make money by quantity sold. They are making huge profits by pushing out large poorly designed cheaply produced junk so why bother to recreate and redesign the old VW bus? To add insult to injury, rv lobbyists have made it impossible for Americans to import small well designed efficient Euro camper vans. To me, the bottom line is greed.
@@rhondalyn100 I CONCUR! Tell'em Rhonda! Cajun :-))))
I agree. I rented one in Scotland last summer and fell in love. Nothing "garageable" is mass produced here. The Pleasure Way Tofino had the right idea but it's still too tall for a garage :(
Get a regular, low roof van (chevy still makes them) or even a minivan and convert it yourself...tons of videos on here for inspiration.
From our looking around at vans, I’m very impressed with the Pleasure Way. The quality is there.
Can't wait to see what you end up with!
Please note, Mercedes has a new Sprinter van that is coming out. You may also consider a custom build that fits your specific needs. Companies like Outside Van, etc. can build something specifically to your needs. I think going to a van is a good idea.
From the shot of you sitting on your boat looked like you were in Sanford. Hope to see you on the loop. We will enjoy your continued search. Thanks also for the video on staying connected a while back.
Yes.. we are still in Sanford. Loving it here!
You two continue to inspire. Sharing your several years of experiences also serve to calm rookies like us. Thank you!
What a great idea! You guys look so crammed in the mini when you make a cross-country trip. That should be more comfortable and way more functional!
And more fun and able to RV more around the year.
This will be fun to watch how you use the new vehicle.
Check out the Carado Axion. It's small and comfortable. Basic, nothing fancy but it works.
With the Hymer scandal ongoing, think we're going to stay away from their brands until things settle out.
Of all the you tubers that go to the RV Shows your explanations were the BEST. The others either go to fast or leave you wanting more info that is meaningful and helpful. Thank you so much. You talk and point out the things that matter to most people. TRIPLE thumbs up.
Awww.. thanks!
Agreed on the Pleasureway as well! Their floorplans can't be beat & great to hear that you didn't notice formaldehyde, which is so pervasive in tbe industry.
Greetings from Saguaro SKP park Benson lot 194:-) Was excited to hear you were a new leaseholder just a few lots from mine - but disappointing to hear you're not coming to Benson this winter-:(
I've followed your blogs/vlogs for several years now and thank you for sharing!
Today I noticed a new UA-cam video detailing your search for a van camper.
I understand you're searching for something short ( less than 20 feet ) but full featured. Personally I own an Airstream Westfalia - which I use as both a daily driver and for my summer travels to escape the desert heat!
Only 250 of these unique van campers were imported into the USA in 2005/2006. The van is a Mercedes Sprinter model year 2004 and the camper conversion was done by Westfalia in Germany. Airstream was the importer/distributor.
On a rare occasion one of these comes up for sale. Last week I noticed one for sale in the Bay area. Here is a link to the for sale listing: sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/richmond-2005-airstream-sprinter-camper/6783905170.html
If you want to find out more about the Airstream Westfalia here is a link to an owners forum: sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72410
A How To Guide on the 2005 Dodge Sprinter Westfalia by Airstream
ua-cam.com/video/uiDl67rcfYs/v-deo.html
If you are looking for a custom sprinter. Advanced RV in Cleveland are doing some impressive stuff. A little spendy though.
We actually lived in a Fifth Wheel and have a small travel trailer for travel and we call it "The Dingy".
A new Promaster 250 conversion van all gigged out would run $60k all in.
Love this idea. Camper vans rock. We sold ours last year and miss it so much. Now we are holding out for Tesla to make their version.
What about the Winnebago Travato 59K? Something I've been looking at.
Agreed! I love theirs & the Hymer Activ, both newer, BETTER tech! I lack the 💰💰💰 but if I had it, I'd definitely look exclusively at the new lithium Class Bs!
Sounds like a good idea. You could explore the lands around the marina while on the great loop and still be able to get out west from where ever you stop cruising in the winter. What you save in hotels certainly would help with the cost. Maybe used might fit you needs. When the snow birds migrate north for the summer you may find a great deal. Happy sailing.
It does feel like a great option for us.. now to find a sweet used one.
One more voice saying avoid the Mercedes. You can get a Sprinter as a Freightliner and that gives you a much better service network. As you know from the bus, a used diesel will last forever.
Mercedes and freightliner are the same as soon as you get under the hood. Actually I got into wreck and the Mercedes parts were cheaper so now unless you look at the title it's a Mercedes.
Carado Axion 17'5 but the Ascent is pretty cool, but if you are spending that much might as well go for the Lexor, no bigger than a full size truck. Either way used!
AXion is nice if you get it new for about 60,000--------dealers try and kill you! Love the maintenance plans for 15-20,000 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT!
Awesome seeing you guys at the show! I love my class B. Tight for full timing. Great for in betweening and trips. Happy shopping!
It was awesome to geek out in person! And indeed, it's the in-between trips we're looking for.
You may be able to find a good pickup with a detachable camper bed. Make it a towed and you'll have a guest house on the road.
If you decide to go longer, I love the Lazy Daze Twin King. It’s not $140,000, even when new. I think it’s around $100k new. A used one can easily be $50k or less. It’s well built, open, full bathroom and kitchen, and a nice lounge that converts to a bed. Plus it’s a class c so there’s a bed/ storage over the cab. No slide outs- that’s a plus for me!! Only thing that doesn’t fit your needs is that it’s 24 feet.
And it's too wide :)
Wow y'all must have plenty of money i vote promaster much cheaper to take care of if it break's down
I'm looking at the 2018 Pleasureway Lexor TS because of it's quality build, the lithium battery, solar and it's short length. I wanted gas versus diesel since some of the states don't carry the diesel that keeps the mfg. warranty secure and I understand more states will be following the trend. The 2019 has a couple minor changes color in the bath, larger kitchen sink, and upholstery on front seats but didn't in my mind make up for the difference in price between the '18 and the 2019. I believe it is Ultramobility website who compares and grades vans and overall gives Pleasureway a very high grade. Good luck, doing the math hotel stays might be ahead, but they don't offer the convenience of your own space or the convenience of stopping wherever you want. After all, you are still 'campers' aren't you ?
Yup, not everything is about the math. Having our own little shuttle craft has a lot of advantages and opens up a lot of opportunities.
Makes absolute sence. Smart
Seems like the perfect situation for renting a class b and flat tow the mini behind it as needed, a few times a year.
We could rent... but the scheduling & pricing would get prohibitive after a while. We don't like having to stick to other's schedules.
We rented a Hymer in Europe for travel. They are one of the leading "caravan" manufacturers across the pond. It was nice for the narrow road ways. Our choice for the USA is a Pleasure Way. We've looked at new & used - Pleasure Way doesn't show wear as easily.
Building your own rig is so much better -- you get the things (technology, comfort) that you want and avoid the things that really don't matter to you. If you can't do it yourself, have one of the outfitters do it. Infinitely better quality and customized.
We did essentially everything on our bus ourselves - so we are very familiar with the pros and cons.
In this case for our class B we don’t have the time or a place to do a build of our own. Different goals now.
Going to use is it to get between the boat and big RV. Now I watched whole video such a good idea
Cherie I love your shirt! and Chris' face when he realized it has been 7 hours was great! Good luck guys, get used, love your guys.
So interesting! I love class B vans but I always think I would want to build my own so I could insulate it and get more use out of it.
awww, I was thre 3 days.....great to know ya'll were there though, my first RV show ever and I was like a kid in the biggest toy store ever......lesson learned.....try to video the spec sheet or postage outside the vehicle so I remember which was which lol....I was so excited I forgot to pay attention and just video taped the interior most of the time....do think I remember a rather roomy ? Winnie more of a van....(looked at Class B and Cs)it was 'at the back ' area with the other Winnies...not in the air conditioned building amazed at the variation in floor plans in the 26 to 32 ft......and there was a 26 ft that seemed roomier than the 30 ish ones....of course that twas one of the ones I videoed the interior of and forgot to make a note of which model it was.....already planning to go to next year's show (our 'supposed' 2 year plan, hope to find the 'right' one by next year)...being new we had no idea of the discounted 'show price' ......happy travels and best of luck on finding your van
For sure.. videoing what you're looking at is super helpful. That's honestly how this video came into being, we were really doing it for our own memory ;)
Might want to check Sunshine State RV in Gainesville as they carry new and used under warranty. They might already know you, too!
How exciting and what a great idea! Really enjoyed the video! Looking forward to seeing more on your van search. Good luck!
You two warm my heart! You do your homework like we do and we see so many people these days that pull the switch and then ask questions. Great video, love seeing how you pick and choose what works and what doesn't. If only the mfgs would follow suit.
Keep us posted on your search. I value your opinions - I think you two are very intelligent, methodical in your decision making process's.
Awww.. thanks. We'll try not to let that go to our heads :)
There are also a lot of new options for ouFord Transit Connect, and Promaster City microvans. There are modular kits for beds, slideout kitchens, and poptops. The advantage here would be you could pull all that stuff out and have a huge cargo space when using it as a regular vehicle. The downside, is no bathroom which seemed important to you.
“Pulling all that stuff out” would never be an option for us since we wouldn’t have a place to store it. 🤗
I too am looking for a 19 foot & your observations are right on the mark! While I am still looking for the right fit, my husband and I camp in the mini-van. I would recommend looking at the Chrysler Pacifica. The interior folds flat, has all of the bells & whistles - towing hitch, cameras, sensors, roof rack, etc. They sell a tent that connects to the back which extends the space for air flow when sleeping. You could probably hook up solar to the top and charge a battery. The sky's the limit.
If you buy one I recommend purchasing in Florida. We saved a bundle by finding a good price and then price matching.
We just purchased the PW LEXOR FL and love the PW quality, and the PW company support. The Ram Promaster is easy to drive and navigate tight spaces. The electronics are very easy to use. Love the auto generator start to run the ac when we’re out and our dog stays behind. If you buy a PW give them our pleasure way ambassador number {685} and you and I will get a $250 rebate/reward. As a follower of you channel I have been helped by the information you’ve provided. So if I can return the favor would be happy to help.
Thanks.. however at $100k+ for a new one, about the only way we can justify the cost of a PW is likely finding a nice used one.
@@Technomadia Your used idea is the right direction!
Love the video and exactly where we are in the mind set. Trying to go cheap ourselves for an everyday vehicle with MPG on our mind seeing we will probably put 15k+ a year on it. Like the gas coaches for that reason. Will be curious where you end up in your research. The Simplicity price point is solid, will have to have to look at that one again. Cheers!
I will be interested to see what you end up getting. I have had two "camper vans" and moved up to a 25 ft. Navion on the Sprinter Chassis. Love the room but recently have been thinking about building out a "mild adventure van" with a raised roof and AWD. I really like the size and ease of driving smaller vehicles. Enjoy you channel and web site.
I like the Rialta Vans. Nice outer body shell. 20-22 feet but handles well and drives sweet!
The Rialtas are very nice... we traveled in a LeSharo for a bit (the predecessor). But it is a touch too long, and looks a bit too much like an RV from the outside.
I don't think I could do 100K for a camper van, but the 69K ones looked pretty decent, I would definitely look at some used ones too. Someday my hubby and I would like to get a camper van. Take care Guys! FYI, I live in Florida, Brevard county. :-)
We'll for sure be looking at used.. we just can't justify $100k for something we won't use more than a few weeks a year likely.
You two have been awesome for showing us good value in other areas ( internet,) so I can't emphasize enough going to RVTravel.com and checking their Facebook page for people who have recently bought lemons. They had 7k plus sign up in that many weeks. Quality is missing in the rush to cash in on the current RV craze. This site also lists all the recalls as well. It is an eye opener. Before you buy used, please visit this Facebook page so you don't buy someone else's problem. BTW, it is almost as important to research the dealer you are buying from. Good luck!
RVTravel.com Oh yea! Good reading!!!
We'll definitely be highly researching any option before we jump.. as we always do.
a good place to comparison shop is Ultramobility -- here on YT. He does a really good job comparing the Specs on class B's. My favorite Pleasure way is the Pursuit they are around 20ft. Those can be found used and are very nice. Happy Hunting :)
Thanks.. we'll check the channel out!
Bob Wells just put up a video interviewing a woman named Pixie who bought a second hand 19' Class C from Cruise America.com. It was a 2013 with about 123k miles, and prices online are in the $33K range for those they presently have for sale. It wouldn't hurt to check them out on their website and see if any tickle your fancy. It seems silly and overkill to buy an expensive new rig considering the use you have planned. They remove their decals and put one on that calls it Majestic. Hey, you never know. It's just the right size for parking easily.
Love your kitty!!! I live here in Tampa and have been going to this same huge RV show since the 80's when I was a kid..Back then the highlight of the show for me was seeing the 1980's Foretravel and Wanderlodges!! They were what the new million dollar Newell's are today...I did get to own my dream coach many years later a 1983 Wanderlodge as featured on my channel..Welcome to Tampa and hope to run into you guys!!! Have fun!!!
We just got the Travato K Lithium and are super happy with it. We originally wanted shorter length but didn’t want a generator. The extra foot has not been an issue, using it as my daily driver and parking it everywhere
The Travato GL definitely is pressing our buttons. There is definitely a lot to like in that design.
Before we bought it we learned a lot by reading this wonderful Facebook group: Travato Owners and Wannabes
Yes, we are lurking there :)
When the sprinter is new it seems wonderful give it time give it miles and then the expenses to keep it on the road will begin to rack up in a huge way mark my words!
A lot of money for the little use that you will have. Enjoyed the video and can't wait on your choice.
Just mind boggling the prices of things. Yikes!
Check this one out!!! It's debuting at that RV Show!!! The Carado Axion Studio (w/Loft)!!!! It is only 17 feet long and will make a perfect daily driver with all the "bells and whistles" of a full size RV!!!! I want one so bad!!!
Yes, we saw it at the show. A loft really isn't suitable for us.
@@Technomadia I definitely understand, a loft is a definitive characteristic that a select few like and opt for.
I have a 2018 Travato 59K. I park in regular parking spaces most times. I love my K, you were looking at the G model. Keep searching, you'll find the one that fits you.
We actually toured both. The G layout seemed to fit our needs better, but overall the Travato was impressive.
Cheryl's RV Travato Travels I love the Travato 59k (from what I can tell watching videos!) One of my main concerns is the van height and clearing parking garage entrances/exits since we will mainly use it for out of town medical visits.
@@mwebb3014 Height is 9'4" tall, so you won't fit in most garages, but you can in regular parking spaces 21' long.
@@Technomadia I bought my Travato in California for 60,000 new:)
@Cheryl’s RV Travato Travels Thank you for the height info! I love that they fit into regular parking spaces.:)
Brilliant idea! How cool to have 3 traveling homes!there are 19 ft class c TVs too. The road trek Zion would be my choice the kitchen is on the correct side. I also love the travato 59k. But I need 2 sleeping spaces and a decent sized bathroom. You could always do a custom build out.
Unfortunately, many custom converters have a very long lead time.
Thanks for sharing. That's a huge show. Good Luck with your decision. Loved seeing Kiki.
Love that you share your adventures!
We really like the travato 59k.
It is wide open, perfect for what we want to do(weekend trips and long drives to family). Decent price.
Then we saw the PW Lexor FL. Absolutely loved the quality.
Almost seems to nice for what we plan to do but .... we like the quality
We toured both the 59K and 59G, and at first glance - liked the G better. Now we need to go back for a second look.
G was nice but the bed seems high and not big enough for us. Also didn't like that there is a pump in the shower drain to get the water to the tank.
K has a nice open feel. bathroom was huge (a big plus for me) and very usable.
Pleasure Way is what is making our decision tough. Roughing it vs luxury :)
Best of luck with your decision.
We have a 2018 PleasureWay Ascent and already have 18,000 miles on it. We have loved it but with any new rig you will probably have bugs that need to be worked out so make sure you have access to PW technicians, especially on the road. If you can get something a few years old you will probably be better off. However, the Pleasureway warranty is not transferable. If you end up getting a PW, you might want to check out my YT channel. I am a member of your MIRC. Appreciate all the good work you guys do. Good luck with your search.
The folks at the PW booth made the claim that their average warranty claim is around $250.. have you found that to be true in your experience?
@@Technomadia We had an issue with our propane line that I thought was a refrigerator problem. It took some time for the dealer to figure it out but eventually we got it resolved. The problem we encountered was when we tried to get a dealer to look at it on the road. They all claimed they were booked for weeks or months. We finally found a helpful dealer in Colorado Springs (we live in So Cal), but while they thought they had discovered the problem, they hadn't. We have never been charged for anything but we are the original owners. Because of the technician shortage (regardless of the brand), it can become quite frustrating when you are on the road--which would always apply to you guys. Check out their on line map of dealer locations. The other issue most people don't consider is that the components (fridge, air, heaters, etc.) are all warranted by the manufacturer, not PW. PW is only warrantying their build. That said, we have been very pleased with the build quality of PW. Here is my email if you need any more info: energymaven@gmail.com
Had our PW TS for 6 yrs now -- only prob was a defective water pump, which they replaced no questions asked. PW typically has a very good resale value. In Canada the warranty is transferable I was told. Our van is about 23' with the continental spare. No trouble fitting into 99 percent of city parking spots, including malls, gas stations etc. We're very happy and would recommend. One way to save depreciation is to buy a new one that is approaching a yr old on the lot. They get big incentives to clear them out. They took 30k off ours!
I was at the same show on the same day and I have been doing research for one year and narrowed it down to the Winnebago Travato GL and the ERA 70b and the winner is ERA 70b it is 24 feet long. I would be living in it full-time 365x.
The Era was very nice... but too big for this particular desire.
After a big Class A and three Airstreams, my neighbor just downsized to a Leisure Travel Van. She travels alone and all the hitching and unhitching got to be too much for her. Her van is gorgeous and she loves it! Many people say that the used market is the way to go because you don't have to deal with the big chunk of new vehicle depreciation. Happy hunting!
We loved the Leisure Travel Vans.. but they're really not van-size. Just a few too many feet for this purpose.
@@Technomadia That is definitely the downside. It is really challenging to find smaller, quality, and functional. Best of luck in your search!
Thanks for sharing that shopping trip ... I didn't have to do any walking ;-)
👍 well done. Appreciate your critique of the various vans. I’d like to see all of the garage areas too. You’re the 1st reviewers I’ve seen show the twin beds up/stored away and I agree...kinda awkward for the user.
Thanks for taking us along
Oh man I missed you guys by one day
We bought the Travato 59K and it fits in normal parking spots. We love the openness.
Cherie love your shirt. Great video covering many types of vans. Thanks.
Years ago I had a Class A and my wife and I decided to purchase another RV, thinking similar to you that we wanted a Class B van conversion. However we didn't find one with a reasonable bathroom and comfortable bed. We decided on the Mercedes Sprinter Chassis with slide-outs, finally deciding on the Thor Synergy. Queen bed, shower separate from toilet and theater reclining salon seats. Our analogy was Class A is poppa bear, Class B is baby bear and the Sprinter chassis with slide-outs is momma bear.....just right. The Synergy drives great and is very quiet even with its diesel engine.
We did our first 4 years full time in trailers smaller than most vans we're looking at. We're not too intimidated by the bathroom and space.. but a comfy bed is important.
We just bought a Ford Transit campervan from DLM distributions in MN.....solid build and great price point......was not impressed with RV quality in the industry now.
I found out by trial and err, the smooth finished, lamenant siding sucks, especially if going into the southwest. The material comes apart.(starts to form bubbles in the material due to glue problems. I prefer the the metal siding, plus a lot less in weight. Unless your spending 100k plus, then it makes a difference
Pleasure Way is a nice unit. Did you ever check out the Airstream Interstate? They are coming out with a 19' or 20' shorter version model year 2019.
Great to see you back on the RV side of life.
You have opened up an entirely new level of consciousness in terms of RV buying. I never would have thought you would be in the market for a Class B - but after watching your video I completely understand - it's genius! I think it makes perfect sense for both of you. I cannot really offer any new insights or advice in which van to consider - it seems you are already looking at the best ones. I have always liked Leisure Travel Vans but they are pricey and probably too large for your needs - but they have great quality and interesting designs. Did you look at any of the Airstream vans?
Too bad we missed seeing you at the Tampa RV show 2 days ago. We did attend it for 2 days and managed to meet a number of other Vloggers - LJMJ, RV Love, Eat See RV, as well as seeing that Pippi was there too. Since we could not be in Quartzsite this year then Tampa was the place to be! But we were also primarily looking at Class A's, and not at all at Class B's. Not that we are looking to get out of our 2005 Winnebago Adventurer as we have done so much to it to make it really livable and comfortable for us. But it is nice to see what new models have to offer - and nothing at the show blew us away - at all. Just more variations of the same. With a BIG leaning towards the higher end, really pricey Class A's > 40' (not for us).
But it was an interesting show to attend after becoming full timers and living in our RV most of the past year. We have already traveled coast-to-coast and have learned a great deal about what features & amenities are important. I guess our biggest take-away from the show is that it seems that most RV designers have never really RV'd in their life, because we have found that it is the "little" touches and features which really help determine user friendly functionality in an RV. And most of the new models we trekked through were sorely lacking in many small, but important details.
Again - too bad we missed meeting you at the show as we would have liked to at least say Hi. Good luck in your van search!!
I think you are being a little overly restrictive on length. The travato looks like a winner to me ether in its new form with lithium or a used one that is a few years old. That said I live somewhere where I regularly have to dodge four door long bed trucks trucks that are sticking well outside of their parking space. So I might have a somewhat warped view on vehicle length
We haven’t ruled out something the length of a Travato, but in east coast marina parking lots I worry that anything over 20’ might be pushing our luck.
@@Technomadia I can see that. It just kinda sucks how few options there are under 20 feet and an extra foot doesn't seem like a whole lot given what you get for it.
@@mgkleym We were also at the Tampa Show yesterday and the day before and tried out the Travatos. There is not nearly enough sleeping room in the "G" (46" width) for two people - we tried. The "K" is much better.
Agreed, for the price point in new the Travato has a lot going for it. Lithium versions can be purchased around $110k and well under $100k for generator models.
But if you’re anticipating staying in it only a few weeks through the year, your best bang for buck will be used.
I had a 2017 ERA on sprinter, at 24’ too long and had a few sprinter issues but had to go into next state to find a MB dealer that was sprinter certified to service. That’s a bummer for Anything on a Sprinter Chassis.
I traded the ERA into a Travato K.
Much happier. Gas gen, bigger bath, airy open space inside.
I recommend going with the promaster chassis - Dealer network is way better and the gas motor is popular with almost any repair shops.
Typically I would suggest almost any Camping/Traveling van in a Ford Model with a Quigley 4x4 Modification. Used of course and pre-sprinter design. With or without a raiseable or lifted roof addon/extension.
The costs would be not necessarily cheap, but these vehicles, used, do maintain their value quite well, and if the documentation is missing when purchased you can contact the various companies that helped do the build-out and get all the necessary documentation. Additional expenses will go out to get Solar, Batteries, etc, but anyone I have suggested this route too has never had a complaint, the 4x4 from Quigley use actual Ford Parts to build out their 4x4 mods, so there is no searching for exotic or special parts, and being a 4x4 can be naturally set up for towing by y'all's bus (Though I would also recommend that additional electronic break upgrade for any towed vehicle of this weight/size for towing.
Or something like this:
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www.cruiseamerica.com/buy/modelDetails.aspx?modelID=125&Make=Thor%20Majestic%20&ModelNo=19G&Model=19G
Occasionally you can find these 4x4 mods with Quigley or Agile Off Road brands (Quigley is superior, but has a longer waiting period IF you need to have van converted to a 4x4, but would be well worth time to do so.)
May not be what you are looking into, but just my 2 cents and what I have recommended to others in the past.
Good luck you two and keep on keeping on
That’s some serious outside the box thinking to come up with the idea of a camper van to get you between your boat and converted bus, I like it! I’m going to suggest something to think about, and a recommendation.
You mentioned three purposes for the van:
1) Around the town vehicle while living in the boat
2) transporting equipment between boat and bus
3) camping in while transitioning
If 80-90% of your usage falls under the fist two, you might think about something that’s more van, and less camper, “rough it” a little more while in transit, because you’ll be using those campground bathrooms anyway.
Just a thought.
Now a recommendation. We test drove a Mercedes Metris and it was a delight to drive (for a van), gets great MPG, and can haul a bunch more than the Transit Connect (which is also nice). We are getting one to tow our 24’ trailer as we prepare to go full time next year.
You forgot the 4th and likely more important purpose - 4) Camping while boat and filming for 'The RVers'. Our usage will have a strong component of camping, attending RV events, etc. . We've done our roughing it days (full time for a year in a t@B with no bathroom)... been there, done that.. NEVER again. :).
Technomadia that’s right! Well, I wish you all the luck, maybe a nice high tech camper van upfitter will recognize the advertising opportunity you represent and give you one to drive around in for free.
Hi ,check out the banff by Carado, nice , 19 ft around 85K
So, that’s what was going on in Tampa! Good luck with your choice! We opted for a Ford F-150!
We love our Winnebago Travato. It’s very comfortable and reliable.
I have found that shopping for an RV or a boat, I ALWAYS find things I would want to do different. Therefore I am a HUGE Skoolie fan. That way I can build it the way I want. I also have a '97 Dodge conversion that I want to make into a TOAD. Extra storage and a vehicle that can go anywhere that the bus can't. Love your guys vids and looking forward to living vicariously through you!
We already have a custom bus conversion (1961 4106).
I would strongly advise you to rent one first. Maybe rent the smaller and then the longer to see how it is to park. Also, we have a class b plus and I would not buy this particular one again. The next time if we buy this size I would insist on twin beds because the beds pushed up against the wall are the devil to make up and I have to use a step stool to climb onto the bed at night. Also the bathroom is very tiny and I bump into everything when the door is shut. We just solved that too-small double-sided kitchen sink problem with a high profile faucet. That helped SO much. Can't wait to see the new show. Enjoy the hunt for your van!
I've checked out all the Class-Bs and the best out there is Advanced-RV located in Willoughby, OH.
They do indeed have a great reputation. I am linking to them in the blog post that goes along with this video.
...But even way more expensive than Pleasure-Way, so not sure if it would be a reasonable choice for your needs. Advanced-RV has great, customized quality but at a higher price point.
Thumbs up to this video’s Intro
If I can get an RV, Classic B is what I'd get. I'm an utter newbie (had a pop-up camper 30 years ago), and really appreciate y'all's experience and commentary. And I'm not feeling so stupid, since I'd come to some of the same conclusions. I envy your being near a show that has so many B and C vehicles to climb into. Atlanta seems to be all A and towables.
good idea. I've had these vans for many years - they are hard to beat for convenience. I would not flat tow one behind a bus though - they are a heavy vehicle and the forces on them from towing would be too much.
We have no intentions of flat towing.
Truck with a camper in the box. Then you can haul whatever you want like a prop or generator water maker.
We bought a 2018. Winnebago 59 g. Love the dinett up front but the Murphy bed is very claustrophobic for me. We are going to trade in for a van we put components in our selves which are built by someone else. We are going to by a Mercedes 4 by 4 passenger van to put everything into. This will be much cheaper and then we can use the van for different things. Good luck on getting the right fit.
We were highly intrigued by the 59G. But the bed does seem a touch narrow for three (2 humans, one cat). But we could make it work, we do all three snuggle well together.
@@Technomadia before you buy it climb into the bed with blankets and pillows. Suddenly things feel much narrower and the above cabinet is low to the bed so you can't sit up under it lol. Good luck!
We will definitely do a more thorough test-fit before buying. A very important step!
Pleasureway is hands down quality wise the best. The only thing that's holding us back is the gas powered generator but we've heard (from Pleasureway) that the undermount generators run hot. If you are going to be staying in campgrounds with it, then you wouldn't have to worry about the generator as much. We keep going back to the Lexor FL for 2 reasons. The first reason is that we don't want to service a Mercedes and the problems that come with that. We also found the FL has an incredible difference in useable space up front (no room in the regular lexor for your feet when you swivel the chair) which gives you the option to keep the bed set up. One other thing - make sure you have leg room for sleeping as some of them are a little lacking which would make it hard for taller people. We want to buy used but people want their money out of them because they know they will get it.....almost makes me want to buy a bus and a boat. :)
The Pleasure Way camper vans that seem the most open and roomy are the one with two twin beds that will convert to a king. Having a full width bath just behind the beds gives the most room for a dry bath. I'd go for a 3 year old model just so I'm not the one stuck with the initial huge depreciation.
Love your channel and everything about you guys. You guys have built my dream bus..lol. But I'm a beginner rver wannabe and I'm thinking class b vans for cheaper entry point into the lifestyle perhaps. Was gonna say if you go used, you can find some nice clean and good used ones out there, some look really nice and clean even at 20 yrs old. At that age range you can find used for like $40,000 or $50,000. Cheaper than those expensive new ones. If you really trying to pinch pennies some people find ones for $20,000 or $30,000. The 40-50,000 range shouldn't need much work on nice ones. Good luck in your search.