Jesus Christ saves He had mercy on me he can save all who all seek him today He made away through calvery repent of all sins today Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Holy Spirit can give you peace purpose and joy and his will today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus
I remember him as a child but by that time he was already too old to be very communicative, I knew his sons and his grandson is my mothers god son as we also lived in Deia (Mallorca). Only now have I taken time to find out more about him. What an inspiring and wise character he was. Love this interview, thanks for sharing!
The luminous soul that was Robert Graves shines through brilliantly, shedding unflattering light on that obsequious & slimy reptile posing as Malcolm Muggeridge.
You get the feeling that even when completely sloshed and with the lingering effects of shellshock and longterm alcoholism that Graves could still run rings around the brightest of them with his phenomenal and mischievious intelligence and wit
Muggeridge is certainly not the brightest of them, and his wine has not aged well. He did provide a certain parochial counterpoint to Graves pantheism .
Quite the duel, all elegance , all grievous Graves, Scotched sloshed and all Lol, gave Sir Muggeridge a nice Tutelage. 10:43 "Women don't beget." Ouch "...She bore me, and never bored me."
Thank you so much for posting this. Love the story about the only reason he wrote 'I, Claudius' was because he was let down in a land deal and needed the money or he would lose his house.
Absolutely fascinating interview. A most brilliant man, very witty. Just finished the latest Moorcroft bio, highly recommended if you haven't read it. Cheers for posting.
Thanks for the recommendation. I have read Miranda Seymour's bio but I'll definitely to the Moorcraft on my to read list. I'm currently working my way through Graves' Complete Poems and his Greek Myths. He's one of my all time favorite writers.
@@behelton Tell me about it! I've done Goodbye, Moorcroft's Bio, Claudius and complete Short Stories so far. Glad to have so much more to read. Cheers again!
@@malcolmboyd3503 The very epitome of a middle-class English ass! The way he spat out the words Irish and German as though they were burning his tongue.
"What a tremendous lot of words you've written," says Muggeridge. "Many of them the same, of course," replies Graves. A very enjoyable and interesting discussion, especially when Graves talks about the end of patriarchy, to be replaced by mechanarchy (machines), and then the huge crash that's coming, possibly around 2036.
What an eccentrically genial conversation! I enjoyed researching TE Lawrence. I would say there is a great distinction between a fantasist and a dreamer. Lawrence of Arabia reveals the difference here i think.
Muggeridge didn't present himself publicly, as a Christian, until he started moving away from his broadcasting career, starting around 1968. Before that he was often considered an agnostic, or even atheistic, which he never was, but he valued skepticism in regard to power and institutions. Privately he had always hoped to find spiritual insight. He knew his private life was a scandalous one and didn't identify as a Christian until he gave up his several vices. He actually was quite self aware, and recognized his extreme egotism as the barrier to gaining spiritual insight.
I’ve always seen “The White Goddess” as a feminine counterpoint to “The Golden Bough”, though “The Golden Bough” is more solid scholarship. “The White Goddess” works far better as a creative vision based on history than a straight historical study. I feel like a change in frame would have averted most of the flak he got for it.
7:39 on Religion. Very interesting question on Christianity. “We are living in a transitional age…trying to separate the Jewish side from the heathen side…[of Christianity]”.
To say that this is a dialogue between giants is a understatement. Along with their ancient contemporaries like Plato and Socrates, these gentleman have left us and our descendants so much to eternally cherish.
As much as I like Muggeridge, I really feel for Graves here--he is so bored by the mundaneness of the questioning and the lack of personal feeling evinced by the style of interviewing which was so prevalent back then.
he mentioning muhammed wasn't just a joke. muhammed claimed to be writing down what the angel told him. sounds a bit like how graves describes writing poetry
Muggeridge is an absolutely terrible interviewer. Pompous and smug. Graves is clearly irritated by him, as anyone would be. I guess the reason Graves didn't walk out is because he was being paid. What a waste of an interview.
Only Jesus Christ blood can cleanse us of are sins come to Jesus Christ today Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void. The Holy Spirit can lead you guide and confort you through it all Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus
9:54 i think judaism and Christianity are not only complatible. The two aspects of man's mythology can represent a greater whole. A divine marriage between feminine Judaism and Masculine Christianity.
Interesting that Graves identifies a trend against marriage as early as 1965. No one could rationally disagree that this trend has continued. However, it could also be said that marriage has remained remarkably resilient in spite of the powerful enemies that have been ranged against it for so long. Why is this? IMO This is because women still retain the need for security when planning to have children, it is men who see little benefit once they have tasted the milk. Men in most cases agree to become married because they eventually run out of reasons to refuse or are more simply bullied into it. If the man can last out the first 20 years of his sentence he may start to see that married life is not so awful after all, especially if he makes the best out of being a father.
You get the feeling that even when completely sloshed and with the lingering effects of shell-shock and long term alcoholism that Graves could still be so utterly full of himself.
well "the house of names " 😉🍾🍾🍾🍷🍯🍮🍦 all for the Brent Petrol 🤔Shell would say * la Maison des nom / the house of names : artistically 🤗🎨🖼🎭🎪☕ you got a shell of names 🎶🎵 😥
What I find quite shocking about this is the sense of a kind of elitist clan in which philosophy is very much in the hands of an intellectual group who consider themselves so elevated that the most idiotic answer is taken as delightfully eccentric or too inexplicably profound to be explored.Had I been a pupil at a grammar school with aspirations to go to oxbridge, I would have been deeply intimated watching this nonsense.
I imagine that your response is strongly influenced by your personal context. I'm assuming you're British and have been entrenched in the remnants of your horrible class system and are interpreting the interview through that lens. I'm an American and a high school dropout to boot. I guess that's why your comment perplexes me. We don't have a class system over here just absolute ignorance on every level. Voluntarily reading a single book will get you accused of elitism in this wasteland.
@@behelton Only by the ignorant and yes, they're on every level, but there are more "books" available now than ever before. Somebody must be reading them.
Well said. I suppose it's because they were brought up in a world of people who understood that they would grow up to Lord it over both their own people and millions of people around the world. I think it's impossible to imagine that feeling of being on top of the human race. They naturally think the odd profusions of their imagination are the objective viewpoint on things.
I find it difficult to understand Graves’ fairly dismissive attitude to I, Claudius as basically practical i.e. monetary because I find much love in it. Perhaps this is just a mark of those with sheer talent where the modus operandi would never relent to anything less than a certain standard. And then they have to suffer awful interviews like this. I think more truth would have been disclosed with questions from someone with far less ego themselves (to be frank).
Welp, it begins with pedigree, and ends with melancholy...mechenarchy?...what the hell...Graves always "a step ahead"...hope you find this C....much fun...🐡
Muggeridge comes across as a bit of an oaf, but Graves is often quite wise. Both of them are terribly confused about homosexuality. One forgets when reading what such men have written, and seeing them talking now ,how two terrible wars must have taken a dreadful toll on their psyches. So much violence has an effect on clear thinking.
I looked at what is written about Muggeridge and it seems like he was not my kind of man. He would grope women whenever he got them alone, which I do not like. Also he was the most hypocritical kind of socialist. But I don't know why he (or Graves) is confused about homosexuality any more than anyone else of that generation.
@Harold Haroldson LOL . That's painfully dark thinking isn't it? Unreleased emotions will surely turn into psychopathic existence or eventually into some type of bitter lonesome insanity . I am convinced isolation of sexes does promote certain homosexual conditions that won't necessarily fall under the umbrella of homosexuality as is understood by today's western cultural standards. I think homosexuality comes in many different colors and shapes just like love , hate or sadness.
RG seems like one of the few people who can say to nearly anyone, "I've forgotten more than you've ever learned."
Jesus Christ saves
He had mercy on me he can save all who all seek him today He made away through calvery repent of all sins today
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
Holy Spirit can give you peace purpose and joy and his will today
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
I remember him as a child but by that time he was already too old to be very communicative, I knew his sons and his grandson is my mothers god son as we also lived in Deia (Mallorca). Only now have I taken time to find out more about him. What an inspiring and wise character he was. Love this interview, thanks for sharing!
That's really awesome! Thanks for sharing your connection with Graves. He was a fascinating man!
@@behelton yes after Robert Graves, many artist, writers, musicians and so on moved there, my father was one such artist (painter)
The luminous soul that was Robert Graves shines through brilliantly, shedding unflattering light on that obsequious & slimy reptile posing as Malcolm Muggeridge.
Thanks!
I have so much respect for both of these men.
It is incredibly amusing to watch Graves correct Muggeridge over and over again
There is a kind of crazy last man of the passing era versus first man of the next era vibe about this ...
You get the feeling that even when completely sloshed and with the lingering effects of shellshock and longterm alcoholism that Graves could still run rings around the brightest of them with his phenomenal and mischievious intelligence and wit
Imagine him firing on all cylinders!
Muggerage put to bed with a homonym @ 10:50mins..
Spot on , old boy ❤
Muggeridge is certainly not the brightest of them, and his wine has not aged well. He did provide a certain parochial counterpoint to Graves pantheism .
Exactement! Graves is dignified and lucid while Muggerige is snivelling and arrogant. Delicious!
Quite the duel, all elegance , all grievous Graves, Scotched sloshed and all Lol, gave Sir Muggeridge a nice Tutelage. 10:43 "Women don't beget." Ouch "...She bore me, and never bored me."
Thank you so much for posting this. Love the story about the only reason he wrote 'I, Claudius' was because he was let down in a land deal and needed the money or he would lose his house.
The most amazing countenence... of a man who has lived life on his own terms.
For god's sake, somebody give the man a light.
He IS the light.
This is a great interview. Thank you.
I love this person
Than you for this video!
I'd would have loved to hear a discussion between Graves and Herbert Read.
what an inspirational and wise man
Absolutely fascinating interview. A most brilliant man, very witty. Just finished the latest Moorcroft bio, highly recommended if you haven't read it. Cheers for posting.
Thanks for the recommendation. I have read Miranda Seymour's bio but I'll definitely to the Moorcraft on my to read list. I'm currently working my way through Graves' Complete Poems and his Greek Myths. He's one of my all time favorite writers.
@@behelton Tell me about it! I've done Goodbye, Moorcroft's Bio, Claudius and complete Short Stories so far. Glad to have so much more to read. Cheers again!
this man spent years battling against one of the most ferocious enemies in human history; Laura Riding.
I've read nearly everything by and about Graves and I can't help but disliking Riding quite intensely.
I still can't fathom that he gave up his children for her.
Graves is really suffering through this interview, and so am I.
Me too. If I were him, I would also not have liked Mr. Muggeridge very much.
@@malcolmboyd3503 The very epitome of a middle-class English ass! The way he spat out the words Irish and German as though they were burning his tongue.
I love this
Just to survive WWI trenches: big respect for RG.
my God,he was a handsome man.
"we're heading for a crash we all know that..." ~ 1965
After watching this, I am now a certified intellectual. 😊
"What a tremendous lot of words you've written," says Muggeridge.
"Many of them the same, of course," replies Graves.
A very enjoyable and interesting discussion, especially when Graves talks about the end of patriarchy, to be replaced by mechanarchy (machines), and then the huge crash that's coming, possibly around 2036.
2040
Ive only read Goodbye to all that , but probaly 10 times , a story of a bygone era , the classism really gets my goat ,amazing that we won ww1
Geez Muggeridge is a pompous, painful bastard. Robert is just suffering him with generous grace.
" Ofcourse it's mystical "
Melancholy, what a wonderful word!
What an eccentrically genial conversation! I enjoyed researching TE Lawrence. I would say there is a great distinction between a fantasist and a dreamer. Lawrence of Arabia reveals the difference here i think.
Before his health and memory problems. Quite different to later interviews.
So this is what English is supposed to sound like...
“If you have boys and girls together you don’t have homosexuality”. Graves would be pilloried for that today.
But he was closer to the truth then than most of the so-called experts now.
Stop talking rubbish Muggeridge and let me talk
Begot!!!
Mr. Muggeridge was so dominant in the interview, unfortunately, that one could not see much of Mr. Graves.
Agreed. As was his wont, unfortunately.
Muggeridge starts off, as in his L. Durrell interview, with the "racial" thing.
At least he's consistent.
It's hilarious when Graves tells him to drop it and talk about something else!
lol
He also has this fixation with homosexuality.
@@behelton, he wasn’t wrong.
Merlin in the flesh.
Muggeridge is very conflicted. He was a slime ball in real life apparently yet presented himself on screen as a sanctimonious Christian.
How was he a slimeball?
@@pjom4191 He seems insufferably pleased with himself.
Muggeridge didn't present himself publicly, as a Christian, until he started moving away from his broadcasting career, starting around 1968. Before that he was often considered an agnostic, or even atheistic, which he never was, but he valued skepticism in regard to power and institutions. Privately he had always hoped to find spiritual insight. He knew his private life was a scandalous one and didn't identify as a Christian until he gave up his several vices. He actually was quite self aware, and recognized his extreme egotism as the barrier to gaining spiritual insight.
Graves was a beast
Unique
almost no-one knew in 1965 that the feminine principle would become dominant. Graves somehow knew.
NO. It's the poison - feminism - which has dominated (and which, incidentally, gave birth to transgenderism).
Most beautiful face and high cheekbones. Graves, I mean, not St Muggeridge
I’ve always seen “The White Goddess” as a feminine counterpoint to “The Golden Bough”, though “The Golden Bough” is more solid scholarship. “The White Goddess” works far better as a creative vision based on history than a straight historical study. I feel like a change in frame would have averted most of the flak he got for it.
That tome was gifted to us in the early 1980`s by our English teacher in Birkenhead, magic inside it!
please be quiet....
I find Muggeridge amusing. Graves marvelous of course
5:28 poetry
22:22 replacement of both matriarchy and patriarchy
7:39 on Religion. Very interesting question on Christianity. “We are living in a transitional age…trying to separate the Jewish side from the heathen side…[of Christianity]”.
To say that this is a dialogue between giants is a understatement. Along with their ancient contemporaries like Plato and Socrates, these gentleman have left us and our descendants so much to eternally cherish.
The inebriated Graves toys around with the pompous fart, Muggeridge, who repeatedly misunderstands and misascribes what Graves is telling him
As much as I like Muggeridge, I really feel for Graves here--he is so bored by the mundaneness of the questioning and the lack of personal feeling evinced by the style of interviewing which was so prevalent back then.
2 very interesting men.
Bet the irish love these two
They don’t make em like that anymore.
he mentioning muhammed wasn't just a joke. muhammed claimed to be writing down what the angel told him. sounds a bit like how graves describes writing poetry
Muggeridge is an absolutely terrible interviewer. Pompous and smug. Graves is clearly irritated by him, as anyone would be. I guess the reason Graves didn't walk out is because he was being paid. What a waste of an interview.
Only Jesus Christ blood can cleanse us of are sins come to Jesus Christ today
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void.
The Holy Spirit can lead you guide and confort you through it all
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
It is of its time. RG is forthcoming compared to the 1975 interview.
Cabbage moth lands on the large pumpkin, the bee lands on the cabbage moth. 3
9:54 i think judaism and Christianity are not only complatible. The two aspects of man's mythology can represent a greater whole. A divine marriage between feminine Judaism and Masculine Christianity.
Can I have this statement?
Interesting that Graves identifies a trend against marriage as early as 1965. No one could rationally disagree that this trend has continued. However, it could also be said that marriage has remained remarkably resilient in spite of the powerful enemies that have been ranged against it for so long. Why is this? IMO This is because women still retain the need for security when planning to have children, it is men who see little benefit once they have tasted the milk. Men in most cases agree to become married because they eventually run out of reasons to refuse or are more simply bullied into it. If the man can last out the first 20 years of his sentence he may start to see that married life is not so awful after all, especially if he makes the best out of being a father.
2036 hasn't arrived yet.
You get the feeling that even when completely sloshed and with the lingering effects of shell-shock and long term alcoholism that Graves could still be so utterly full of himself.
2036 is no joke!
2040 is dead on.
Muggeridge probes Graves’ infatuation with ‘Dick’ at Charterhouse. Rather cheap really
Malcolm Muggeridge is annoying and gets in the way of Robert Graves talking.
Peter Sloterdijk says that the only way 'out' [metastationarywise] for religiosity is transmorongrelization to immunologishtickiness
My my
St Mugg......just ordered, 'Chronicles of Wasted Time'....
A must read.
well "the house of names " 😉🍾🍾🍾🍷🍯🍮🍦 all for the Brent Petrol 🤔Shell would say * la Maison des nom / the house of names : artistically 🤗🎨🖼🎭🎪☕ you got a shell of names 🎶🎵 😥
His intelligence is scary in its depth... Or is that just me?
More Muggeridge please!
God no, not in this format...... his writing yes.
@@paulhease1007 You're a hard marker!
What I find quite shocking about this is the sense of a kind of elitist clan in which philosophy is very much in the hands of an intellectual group who consider themselves so elevated that the most idiotic answer is taken as delightfully eccentric or too inexplicably profound to be explored.Had I been a pupil at a grammar school with aspirations to go to oxbridge, I would have been deeply intimated watching this nonsense.
I imagine that your response is strongly influenced by your personal context. I'm assuming you're British and have been entrenched in the remnants of your horrible class system and are interpreting the interview through that lens. I'm an American and a high school dropout to boot. I guess that's why your comment perplexes me. We don't have a class system over here just absolute ignorance on every level. Voluntarily reading a single book will get you accused of elitism in this wasteland.
@@behelton Only by the ignorant and yes, they're on every level, but there are more "books" available now than ever before. Somebody must be reading them.
Well said. I suppose it's because they were brought up in a world of people who understood that they would grow up to Lord it over both their own people and millions of people around the world. I think it's impossible to imagine that feeling of being on top of the human race. They naturally think the odd profusions of their imagination are the objective viewpoint on things.
I find it difficult to understand Graves’ fairly dismissive attitude to I, Claudius as basically practical i.e. monetary because I find much love in it. Perhaps this is just a mark of those with sheer talent where the modus operandi would never relent to anything less than a certain standard. And then they have to suffer awful interviews like this. I think more truth would have been disclosed with questions from someone with far less ego themselves (to be frank).
Is it widely known, or rather blarney, that Her Majesty claims descent from Muhammad?
now i know why Muggeridge is infamous.
unbearable
Welp, it begins with pedigree, and ends with melancholy...mechenarchy?...what the hell...Graves always "a step ahead"...hope you find this C....much fun...🐡
But he sounds as English as can be
Muggeridge is a non magical interviewer
Muggeridge comes across as a bit of an oaf, but Graves is often quite wise. Both of them are terribly confused about homosexuality. One forgets when reading what such men have written, and seeing them talking now ,how two terrible wars must have taken a dreadful toll on their psyches. So much violence has an effect on clear thinking.
I looked at what is written about Muggeridge and it seems like he was not my kind of man. He would grope women whenever he got them alone, which I do not like. Also he was the most hypocritical kind of socialist. But I don't know why he (or Graves) is confused about homosexuality any more than anyone else of that generation.
@Harold Haroldson I understand Grave's thinking about homosexuality well . Homosexuality doesn't have to be much about physical sexuality at all.
@Harold Haroldson LOL . That's painfully dark thinking isn't it? Unreleased emotions will surely turn into psychopathic existence or eventually into some type of bitter lonesome insanity . I am convinced isolation of sexes does promote certain homosexual conditions that won't necessarily fall under the umbrella of homosexuality as is understood by today's western cultural standards. I think homosexuality comes in many different colors and shapes just like love , hate or sadness.
Scots...
Somebody PLEASE tell me the song playing throughout the beginning??
Antonio Lauro - Vals Venezolano no 3
What a lot of silly piffle.. You make yourself as much as any ancestory would do for you.