Unfortunately Kelly’s behavior after I finished this video has confirmed my pessimistic suspicions: she’s deleted ALL of her videos INCLUDING the apologies and after a brief pity party on Twitter declared she is moving away from politics. Which is good, but shows she’s not interested in making things right, she just wants to pretend nothing happened.
I genuinely think she wanted to get a cookie for her opinions before she realized she definitely wouldn’t and that both sides were going to fully eat her alive. Edit: Clarification, specifically left leaning and queer folks overwhelmingly would call her out and the right was NEVER going to accept her. They were just going to accuse her of the same things they accuse left leaning queer folks of doing.
her saying "a lot of black people enjoyed being slaves" gave me actual whiplash. edit: yall thinking i said whiplash as a joke are weird. i meant the injury caused by a sudden jerk to the head, as in i was so shocked that it's like being in a sudden car crash
As a black person myself, im jus so tired of communities using our history to make a point. Ive seen fat acceptance tik tok compare their discrimination to segregation. Why is our history always used? And the situation is almost always never that severe to where you need to bring up literally slavery to justify your point. Why can’t they just leave us out of it…
Her saying "a lot of black people enjoyed being slaves" as a white history (specifically slave era history) researcher made me audibly gasp and back away from the screen 💀
The only way I can think that statement has any iota of "truth" is the idea that some may have tried to accept it or secure themselves a shaky and conditional position of power in order to try and make themselves safer, much like how conservative queer people probably think they'll be seen as "one of the good ones" if they parrot and preach the same hatred that's thrown at more blatantly queer people.
@@Colonsworth423 Well the right hates her because she's trans. The left hates her because she's a grifter and rejected the people she relied on for protection and to build the foundation of her rights.
The irony of her saying queer people didn't give her the right to be who she is, America did.... Girl do we need to go back to the beginning?? Do we need to start at stonewall??
Honestly tho idk why people advocate for bullying others then when they get bullied suddenly its wrong like no no wait thats not how this gonna work sis @foxy_drago
@@digitalmania6966 I was trying to make a point because at the time I wrote this I was really angry but im glad you pointed this out because you are correct just because someone picked on you dose not justify being mean back
"I'm not going to defend slavery BUT black people enjoyed being slaves" How the FUCK do you believe such bullshit so eaily and quickly? When she said that I SCREAMED
Well the Florida education system is awful, so there's a legitimate chance she was taught that in school. That's not an excuse for her cuz she's an adult and she should know better, education should not end at highschool, but it does need to be examined how we let that education system get so far off the rails that the people running it are literally just lying about history.
My spirit left my body when she said that I wanted to just fucking disappear I don’t wanna live in a world where white women make the inaccurate argument that black people enjoyed slavery to say that slavery wasn’t that bad 💀
You know, we have actual recordings of former slaves. They're right here on UA-cam. During FDR's administration, there was a project to record their voices before they passed. One woman recounts a story of another slave being whipped against a peach tree, and an overseer snuffing out his pipe on her back. Another man flat-out says if he thought he would be a slave ever again, he'd shoot himself. So no, they did not "enjoy" being slaves, or were "comfortable" in any way. American chattel slavery was a holocaust.
i mean the arguement that it was a product of its times is flawed when a fair chunk of the western world was freeing slaves and banning slavery within their empire. also it wasn't a popular thing with white people let alone the people being enslaved
That's crazy, im gonna have to look it up. As a european, this kinda feels so removed from myself when it probably shouldnt. And i was wondering, this whole thing about Black people also participating in slavery - like that one man said about rather shooting himself, if its a choice about being enslaved yourself or playing into the slaver's hands instead, can you blame anyone for doing the latter? But dont paint it as "oh yeah slavery was pretty swell for Black people" honestly wtf is she confusing this issue with house elves
“This country is what gave me the right to transition and be who I am” meanwhile many places in the US are taking away trans rights and transition rights
"This country begrudgingly allowed me to have bodily autonomy and the freedom to self-actualize while requiring me to clear assorted bureaucratic hoops to prove I really and truly deserve it--and even now, they're rethinking that."
"I'm standing for the American flag because this country is what gave me the right to transition" says the trans woman who lives in Florida, where several different laws have been passed making her very existence within the state all but illegal.
@tobelee6985 used to be but desatan decided he was going to do it for all trans people because hes a pathetic child who couldn't even win against disney
I remember parroting what my parents said politically. Then in seventh grade I told a friend I was republican and all he said was “is that what you think or what your parents think?” That shit punched me in the chest so damn hard. I literally spiraled for months reevaluating my entire world view. I’ll always be thankful for that kid.
It’s what all of society does. Now it’s for woke points, those videos of trans and gay under 10 years old. That’s not the kid deciding they want to bang someone of the same gender, or that they want to change sex. That’s their parent. The issue is, this has spread to the point that we forget the fine line of what’s promoting our kid and what I just forcing and manipulating them in another fashion.
As a black person, when i tell you i had my phone on my table and i literally got so much closer when she made her statement about slavery, i am deeply horrified
I had to pause and go back. X.x I was like...she said what? What rational person could possibly believe that? Then I remembered I'm ascribing ration thought to this person... Then her apology... She meant to say "comfortable" and she was repeating an article headline...uh huh. That's believable.
It's normal for every person to crave attention and validation to a certain degree, but yeah the extent she has gone to be accepted from random people on the internet and be so willing to adopt radical views so quickly implies she has an issue with herself
@@jadedoe9966 Bro, are u dumb or sum. She literally got it at 14 herself, plus you can't even have surgery until 16-18 or so. Only hormone therapy before, I think. And it isn't mutilation.
She reminds me a lot of Blair White, they try to make themselves feel validated by pandering the people who want to make them disappear. It's a losing fight.
2:05 thank you SO much for speaking on this part in particular. a trend that i’ve been seeing is that whenever a person that is trans (or nonbinary or basically not a cis man/woman) gets outed for not being good, people feel like that gives them the green light to *purposefully* misgender them. it always irked me because like, why is that some people’s first priority? you can still dislike someone without being transphobic and such. people seem to immediately start attacking one’s identity rather than focus on the fact that the person in question is not good, and nothing more
Props to the person who debated Kelly for 3 HOURS with a level head. My immediate answer to her slavery take would've been: "I'm sorry, excuse me, what do you think slavery even is? A kink? Do you know anyone black? Did you run this take by them? Have you ever even read a slave/ex-slave journal or life story? Should I send some to you? I assure you there will be plenty in a library if you ever visited one, y'know?"
Same, I used to really enjoy debating but I just can't anymore because conservatives have gone so far down the rabbit hole that I actually just can't handle listening to them drag on and on about how certain groups of people don't deserve basic human rights. and they purposely choose to believe certain things that are untrue such as "black people enjoy being slaves" or "they're letting kids surgically transition" or "drag queens are child predators" or any of the crazy shit they come up with to justify their awful views.
@@toomie27I'm glad they did, cause losing your mind and yelling is a surefire way to get your opposition to not take you seriously. Then again, the right always speaks over any spoken logic anyway.
Even at the "Yeah BUT" part I would've snapped, it shows she clearly lives a privileged and ignorant life and cannot handle a lick of negativity without switching sides in petty retaliation
> Kelly transitions at 14 > Gets called out for not using correct pronouns > Ditches her entire community to play house with the worst husbands ever > Puts down the idea of trans teens transitioning under 18 as if the right wing knocked her memory right out of her > gets called a couple of slurs and gets her pronouns skewed and runs back to the alphabet mafia
To be fair (for the age part), she could have just found that out that she should have waited until she was an adult after having done it. Exactly like someone doing a shit ton of drugs then saying you should only consume in moderation/avoid it. They're not hypocrites, they just learned from their mistakes.
I have an ex best friend who is a Trans Woman and I never go out of my way to disrespect her pronouns or name no matter how much my hatred burns towards her. I hate her for her words and her actions, her identity isn't something to be used against her, EVER. I'm Happy for her transition and that she gets to feel comfortable in her own body but that doesn't mean the person inside her is good. I respect her identity, just not her as a person anymore
I also have an ex friend that did something so bad and inexcusable, but I still use their preferred pronouns when I talk about them. That doesn't mean I have to respect them as a person though.
Yeah. Whether a person is good or bad or deserving of respect should be entirely independent from how they identify - that is a completely personal matter, and it makes no sense to bring it into question when the issue is how their actions have hurt others. Even barring broader implications, willful misgendering is just plain unnecessary and distracts from the real reason why a bad person is wrong.
you’re telling me a traditionally attractive, blonde haired blue eyed trans girl, who had the privilege of transitioning before most trans people, was welcomed by the right when she started spouting the same thing they do? shocker
The best part is that "being welcomed to the right" just mean that they use you as a useful idiot. I have friends in the alt right and i swear they talk absolute shit about their LGBT members when they aren't around.
@@roseyoung44Its kinda funny in a sick way ya know? Watching Blaire go on a podcast i think it was with other conservatives being actively hateful towards her (i think a woman actually continuously and purposely misgenders her) and her just sitting there letting it happen. I'll never understand why people like Blaire White or Candace Owens believe what they believe given what theh support actively hates them. Its like a chicken fighting for the existence of KFC.
Watching a trans woman say"I'm leaving this cult,the only flag i stand for is America, this is the country i stand for"and hold up an American flag UNIRONICALLY, is ironically the FUNNIEST thing ive witnessed in a while. It was hard to believe that was not meant to be satire😭
she seems like the girl in primary/middle school to lie about everything like- “hey i bought my cat a really cute collar-“ “i thought you said your cat died last week?” “UHHH NO!!!!” like wth 😭😭
@@STAR_WALTZ part of her "apology" video was her saying she alienated a lot of friends as a teenager because she'd change herself to fit in with the popular people. The fact that she was comparing right wing people to high school "populars" aside, I think you've got her personality down.
I feel bad for her, honestly. I used to also be an attention-seeking oversharer on the internet, and sometimes it's hard to recover from that. I hope she steps away from her platform and can make peace with that teenager in her who needs approval.
her talking about how america gave her the right to transition REALLY pisses me off because of how much our community had to fight for that right and how she's completely ignoring that
Like where does she think that came from? Written into the original constitution? Doubt it. Also, I don’t even want to admit how hard I laughed when she then threw the American flag on the ground and walked on it. I know it’s not a real American flag, but the symbolism was just. so. good. 😂
I am a trans man, and also black and...... I just wanna say at whoever black or transgender person is reading it, you are valid; don't leave anyone use you as a political thing, whoever says that kind of stuff is able to do whatever they need to for validation, you are not an object people can use for successes.
Kelly: takes the word of a white man saying black people liked being slaves Black people who were slaves: writing several books saying no the hell they did not.
White people who were slave owners: No don't you dare we spent a lot of money on telling the teachers at school to not talk to students about any of that >:( lol humans are something else
here's a fun fact for you: the FIRST American best seller was a novel by the name of Uncle Tom's Cabin. It was written by a woman by the name of Harriet Beecher Stowe. The novel depicts the harsh conditions of slavery and follows 2 main plot lines: Harry, a man who escaped a plantation and eventually saves his family, and Tom, a man who stays on the plantation to protect those who escape from it eventually ending in his death. The book was an honest look into what slavery in America was like and from that it became a best seller as it showed many a glimpse into what the other side looked like
I like how she’s not holding the American flag right then drops it on the ground and steps on it which is everything you gotta do to disrespect national flags
I found it funny how she literally made a video burning a pride flag, and then later on makes a video saying "I can't believe my own community is rejecting me!" Um.. I thought that's what you wanted!?
That little speech you gave about rehabilitating people who want to be more open minded people really hit home. I unfortunately once was a confused person in denial of who I wanted to be,and was surrounded by people doing nothing but tell me what I shouldn’t be,and it let to me holding some pretty horrific ideas on gender,race,and sexuality,but I was also lucky enough to be surrounded by people who helped me get out of where I was going before I sank too deep. As a species we should learn to love others for how they differ from us,not hate them for the ways they’re not the same as us.
So she gets to transition at 14 because she "always saw herself as a woman", but doesn't want others to do so until they're over 18 to make sure it's right for them???? So hypocritical. Also, "owning the pick me status" was beyond cringe. Edit: Just saw what this all spurred almost a year later. I hope people learned from the conversations :)
She's hypocritical yes, but I also believe that people should atleast be a certain age before they're allowed to transition. Can you please explain why that sentiment is wrong? Just trying to understand here. Edit: Thank you so much for informing me more about the subject everyone 💗. I was in no way trying to say that trans people should not be given rights to transition, please don't assume the worst of me. I do understand social and medical transitions and here I was specifically talking about medical transitioning. Again, thank you for informing me and moving forward, please remember not everyone has a bad intent so don't assume things I'm not even implying :)
@@elevensloosehair i guess it's the fact that she was 14 when she medically transitioned but wants others to do it at 18 and older I understand why one would want people to (medically) transition at 18, however one could socially transition at a younger age such as using a different name and pronouns
Never understood that when we wear it on our coochies, as thongs in our goochies, never clean off the mustard and beer stains, and even have it on our boots so we be walkin on it anyway. XD
Okay as a black person im appalled at what she said about slavery but I LOST MY SHIT when you called her a “saltine sister” 😂 Edit-Such an honor to have my comment blow up like this let alone on one of froggy’s vids ☺️
"This country is what gave me the right to transition and be who I am" and they will take it away! In fact, they have already taken that right away in multiple states!
My biggest problem is that she never expressed any desire to educate herself or learn or grow, she basically just said "sorry for saying my thoughts out loud lol"
before gilbert baker designed the pride flag in 1978, the common symbol for queerness was a pink triangle, which was a reference to the patches homosexual prisoners of nazi concentration camps were forced to wear. harvey milk, california's first openly gay elected official, approached baker for a design as a part of his next campaign. baker's design includes pink, teal, and indigo in addition to the traditional colors of the rainbow. pink meant sex, red meant life, orange meant healing, yellow meant sunlight, green meant nature, teal meant magic, indigo meant serenity, and violet meant spirit. it was a little whimsical because it was meant to evoke hope and celebration. the first two flags were hand dyed by lynn segerblom and hand sewn by baker and by james mcnamara. harvey milk was assassinated that same year. after milk's assassination, the flag design gained popularity and eventually overtook the pink triangle. like a change from looking at the pain and degradation of the past, to looking forward at whatever new, beautiful thing is coming next for us. the flag has been simplified since then, now usually including only the traditional rainbow colors. gilbert baker passed away in 2017. he never trademarked the flag. he wanted it to belong to all of us in the community. it was never just for gay men. it was always for all of us. this woman stands on his shoulders. and on harvey milk's shoulders. and on mine, actually. she stands on the shoulders of every queer person who came before her. she stands on the shoulders of everyone whose blood and tears went into the fight to give her the right to her bottom surgery. she's like a generation out from a time when she wouldn't have been allowed to change her name on her drivers license. the queer community isn't just a bunch of kids and freaks who approve or deny your sense of worth based on changing tides. we're generations of people who share an experience and an identity and who needed a place to call home. look, i get it. she's young, privileged, and impulsive. she's exploring her place in adulthood. i felt her when she confessed that she always felt compelled to seek the approval of her bullies. i believe she was telling the truth in that moment. i would encourage her to share these thoughts with a journal, rather than using the internet as a sounding board and then being shocked when the sound bounces back at her.
I’m a trans man myself I have never had any surgery for my gender (mostly because I am still in high school) but when she said “is it because the only transition that’s taking place is changing your pronouns” I was shocked. Yes Kelly for me right now the only thing that I have changed about myself right now are my pronouns because I am still a minor and the surgery’s are really expensive not everyone has a rich dad that will pay for their surgeries. Edit: I’m not a minor anymore but I am broke soo
AYO, ANOTHER TRANS GUY! Don't mind them bro, you're valid no matter what people say! *ALSO*, it's not just the fact that there are underage people who can't have surgery, but there are people who *don't have the money* to do it. Besides, you have to stay in bed for a while and not make too much effort to avoid opening the scars, which is also something that people *can't do*, because most of them have jobs that if they don't go to, they'll lose their jobs (or won't be able to afford a house). (sorry if my English is a little bad, I'm learning lol)
oh my god so much this ☝️☝️ I’m also a trans guy myself using he/they, but I haven’t had any of the surgeries because a) I’m a broke college student and b) my parents would rather disown me than support my decision This video honestly had me livid and people like Kelly SERIOUSLY have got to stop
THIS also like. im terrified of surgeries and not even to mention how some procedures can be difficult to get in the first place because of a lack of accessibility for trans healthcare !!!
She also spoke on behalf of trans men and complained that she was being bullied after preaching freedom of speach. Her strange flip flopping was so irritating and im glad best froggy covered this
Love the subtle non-binary eyeshadow lol My biggest pet peeve is when people use freedom of speech to justify being a total douche. It only protects you from the government, not these hands 🥊🥊
I was wondering if they were wearing the nonbinary flag eyeshadow. I could slightly see the colors but since my eyes are a little fucked up, I couldn’t tell. Glad I’m not the only one who noticed 😅 Also yes!!! Just because you CAN, doesn’t mean you SHOULD. Just because you’re allowed to say that stuff, doesn’t make it okay to say hurtful and hateful stuff.
Freedom of Speech does NOT mean Freedom from Consequences, whether it's getting hit with a Left, Right, Goodnight, getting rightfully called out for their ice cold rotten Takes, or spending the night behind bars.
My jaw dropped when she actually said that slaves enjoyed being slaves…Girl. I would simply pass away if I ever said anything like that. A handful of “privileged” slaves enjoying “good” treatment from their masters doesn’t cancel out the hundreds upon thousands of slaves being abused, starved, beaten, r*ped, tortured, and killed every day. (And I say “privileged” as in, not getting beaten or whipped or physically abused daily, as we expect based upon what we know of history. It’s not a privilege to be treated with human decency and respect.)
but . . . but . . . all those children's books portraying (attempting to . . . . sarcasm roll . . . . it's a 2) . . . where did this woman get the idea that any slave in history liked being a slave? The Bigot table at the Cracker Barrel . . . . no no . . . they all left an hour ago over the impossible breakfast meat option they saw on the menu.
It's extra insulting because, as a privileged trans woman, she should understand that not everyone has the same experience in minority groups. She gushes about getting "all of these wonderful opportunities" yet fails to acknowledge that others aren't so lucky. 😒
As a black person it genuinely aggravates me that her "apology" about her being quite blatantly rascist was how she read it in an article somewhere because amongst all the other stupid things shes done this is one of the major highlights her spouting extremely wrong and rascist comments about a topic she clearly has never experienced and knows nothing about is such a brain dead move and the apology somehow made it worse to me
No no. It wasn’t reading, I was skimming. I couldn’t be water boarded to confess that. I wouldn’t be caught dead saying that or parroting anything I didn’t at least to research the subject a feel more articles and experiments.
Personally, as a trans man, I’m not sure if I can ever forgive her. She’s caused tremendous harm to our community. Not just recently, but for years. Conservatives are gonna use her as a talking point for years. We also just haven’t seen much yet to prove she’s actually sorry. We’ve gotten an apology, but that’s all right now. We’ll have to wait and see I guess.
She shouldn’t be sorry she was completely in the right for most of her points we need to stop pushing this delusional pronoun nonbinary trans shit if we don’t have conservatives and Christians speaking out America is doomed
@@Naixatloz I think he meant that the recent damage she's done is going to linger for years to come. She made such a splash it's almost guaranteed that, as gumzee269 stated, the Conservatives are going to bring her up in political discourse for a good long while. This is also my first time learning about Kelly so I might be unaware of past issues as well, but based on the video, it seems like all this chaos is a recent development.
I’m not trans but I’m bi and I’m black so when she was doing all this BS I was so offended like nah she ain’t welcomed how dare she come for us when we be welcoming
As an afab enby teen, her saying that it’s just pronouns is wild, because first off pronouns can cause crazy dysphoria and I am very self conscious about my chest
“I’m really tired of being bullied in my own community” she says, as she bully’s people in her own community She is so hypocritical, it’s unbelievable and the fact SHES allowed to transition at 14 but others have to wait till they are 18?!
Also she burned the pride flag and said she wasn’t a part of the LGBTQ+ community lol. “I don’t understand why my community is attacking me! Anyways here’s a video of me burning that community’s flag.”
To be fair, you should wait to be an adult for cosmetics surgeries. If someone wants to wear dresses and shit and call themselves Tiffany. Be my guest but the surgery should wait for the brain to mature. If you're an adult, you should remember how goddamn retarded you were as a teenager and have at least a few things you regret doings.
It feels a lot like she ping pongs around depending on how she views people treating her, trying to find the right social group that will give her the most positive interaction. Switching to the right gave her a rush of approval from right wing nut jobs who just wanted to hate trans people, then she realized... they hate trans people, so she flopped back. I doubt she is even really aware of why she does it, at least not while she is actively flopping around. She had to reflect back on it and realize, at least a little bit, that she was seeking validation and not seeing the bigger picture (that the right hates her cause she's trans, duh). Hopefully she can do a lot more reflection and get her shit figured out, but she should probably just stay the fuck off social media.
I cannot fathom how she genuinely thought that the right would welcome and accept her as a TRANS WOMAN 💀 Absolutely smooth brain moment, not a SINGLE wrinkle in there.
Blaire White is literally an example too, like, if she were the first conservative trans woman, then I’d get why she may think it would work… but it’s been done before. Blaire White was told to grow a beard or whatever by a conservative in a video on r/leopardsatemyface. It was so painful. And smooth brain is cute, wrinkle brain is ugly >:(
They will adopt token minorities that “agree” with their views because then they can use them as an example that “hey this [insert minority here] agrees with us so you can too if you are the same [minority]!”
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b Smooth brain literally means being without knowledge, a baby or an animals brain is smoother, wrinkly brains mean knowledge which is why adult humans have so many wrinkles in their brains
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b but here’s the thing, blaire white talks with reason. Many of her points actually make a lot of sense. And she has self-respect. This chick right here doesn’t. She’s just saying whatever that will make her audiences happy.
The part about the American flag allowing her to transition is so ironic to me considering gender affirming care is becoming widely illegal and trans youth are literally being taken away from their guardians rn in Florida 💀
@Hillary Clinton I would strongly disagree with you with that one. There have been bills in states that have attempted to ban gender affirming care before the age of 26. They don't want anyone to transition, they just use the whole "think of the children!" fallacy as a scapegoat
The main problem I have with her misgendering the person that committed that crime is that she wouldn’t do that to a cis person so why would she do it for a trans person ? Like that doesn’t make sense to me cause she’s not gonna go and misgender a cis serial killer for the heck of it. Like no one does that unless they don’t respect trans people
@@EamonWill The way she said "child unaliver" made me feel like specifically it was something about abortion or some shit Because if someone ACTUALLY killed a child, we dont use funny words
@@MystamiSalamishe likely said "unaliver" to avoid Tik Tok taking the post down or something. That's why people say "toaster bath" or "sewer slide" instead of "suicide"
exactly, one thing i’ve never understood is why we see trans people’s pronouns/gender identity as a privilege that can be taken away, while we never do that to cis people when they do terrible things like. it’s not about priorities, it’s about how as a whole, society treats terrible trans people differently than how we treat terrible cis people and that needs to. not be a thing. we don’t go around calling hitler a she and saying he was a woman even though he started a global war and sentenced more than 6 million people to their deaths (not to compare trans people to hitler, that’s just the most notorious example of a Horrible Person Who Happened To Be Cis i could think of) edit: wow i apparently did not watch far enough into the video and i happened to make the exact same point that funkyfrogbait did, my bad. i didn’t mean to sound like a broken record lol
As a trans person, I just want to say she can do herself. Idc how sorry she claims to be, she is on her own. She didn't make some silly little mistake one time, she knew damn well what she was doing and I highly doubt she's actually sorry at all. Some things can't be forgiven and I feel like this is one of them.
Idk I’m just not going to interact with any of this content either way because I don’t have tiktok. I think she’s just really messed up and that’s kind of sad to watch
It’s baffling that she doesn’t understand that if you try to burn down the community she claims to be a part of no one is going to be holding hands with her singing Kumbaya and inviting her to the next pride parade. Attacking everything a family loves and holds dear is how you get them to go no contact with you just to be sure you don’t show up and ruin the holidays again. She burned the bridge with her second family now she gets to live with the consequences just like Kaitlyn Jenner
I don't do TikTok and rely on your videos to keep up with the drama. Your video style makes these serious topics more bearable, so thank you for keeping this 30+ queer trans man up to date 🤣
the irony of her being on a high horse about her expensive gender affirming surgeries and then rejecting people like her in favour of the people who want to force her to medically destransition is insane
Hey man, thanks for breaking down the "misgendering an awful person" thing. It can be difficult to argue the point because it can often come across like I'm arguing the awful trans person is actually okay and that I need to "get my priorities straight" as folks like Kelly will put it. No, it's a "this affects all trans people, including the good ones, and they don't deserve that" thing.
I don't know about that. A man who openly admitted he was being a girl to get girls, harassed women in the past, and SA'd his mother is in a female outpatient group home after prison. They literally only transitioned because of trying to get girls, they admitted it. Christian Weston Chandler. Some people exist in really offensive ways, it doesn't mean they don't exist
Sometimes we just need to remember that everyone is a person who deserves the rights of a person. Even if someone is a total monster, they are still a person who has human rights.
How was she in the same sentence bragging she was trans since she was 14, but then say other people shouldn’t be allowed until they’re 18 to ‘make sure this is the right path’ Like wtf
I despise "I got mine, so fuck you" attitudes. Especially from people who know the firsthand struggles of minority issues then throw that community under the bus.
9:48 this is so funny to me as a biologist. the terms ‘cis’ and ‘trans’ are used in organic chemistry to refer to chemical isomers (compounds that are the exact same except for shape, the most common examples are trans fat and cis fat (aka just fat)), so the idea of removing the word cis from my vocabulary as someone in STEM is hilarious!!
Ah a fellow scientist. Sorry, just here to say hi. On my physicist fianee’s account but geologist here who suffered thru orgo. That was straight abuse. My lab was at 4:30AM. And they wondered why I failed lol. I switched to rocks like I always wanted and left the pre med to the pre meds; I only did it for a really foolish reason anyway
I remember being taken offguard by those terms during my biology class My teacher even made a joke one day saying “please don’t put that the Golgi apparatus has a transgender and cisgender face in your exam sheets” (that was mostly because a classmate had previously wrote Bisexual layer when referring to the bilayers of lipids)
It’s funny because the conservatives she oh so wanted attention from purposely misgendered her and called her “a trans identifying man” 💀 But yeah they’re the accepting ones right
the people she's trying to get to like her, actually do misgender her. a lot call her a TIM (trans identifying male). Even to her face. She made a whole video about it, but i think she deleted it.
Frog really out here risking the little faith in humanity they have left to keep us informed about this kind of stuff, that's bravery right there goddamn
Yeah, I had to stop using it because it was actively degrading my mental health. If you like it after more than a few hours of using it, you've either got some algorithm magic on your side (unlikely), or you're nuts.
You REALLY hit the nail on the head with her needing to just remove herself from social media. I don’t even know her and never even heard of her until seeing your video and the first words that came out of my mouth to my husband were: some people really shouldn’t be allowed to have social media. Especially if you have mouth diarrhea like this Kelly person. My GOD when she started talking about slavery I physically recoiled. Wow, just…WOW.
it’s really sad seeing trans people thinking that if they make fun and point out people in their own community, they will be spared of ridicule and hate. No matter what label/identity you identify with, the conservatives will despise us anyways.
A house divided does not stand, and the conservs know it. All people like Kelly are doing is making it easier to tear us appart unaware that the big stompin' shoe falls on THEIR heads as well.
Not related to LGBTQ+ but my Filipina mom is pretty conservative, and pretty open about her distain for BIPOC, despite being one herself. I keep trying to tell her that at the end of the day, conservatives are saying the same shit about her that she says about BIPOC. She’s not spared from being judged as a POC.
@@sheenashroder5315 same here actually, my mum’s an immigrant but is incredibly against immigrants entering our country and hates hearing strangers speak their mother tongue - when she literally speaks her’s all the time. It’s odd
Exactly!!! If you turn on your own community to appease the bigots all you’ll be is sad and alone as the very same bigots only like you for affirming their beliefs not you as a person
Oh man were you not around during the Kalvin Garrah days? Fucker indoctrinated so many trans kids into thinking like him because they were young and impressionable and wanted to learn about their identity
I was adopted into a conservative family. It took moving away from them to learn how toxic my views were and the racist ideas I had been taught. I'm learning everyday how to be a better person, and I'll never stop learning. I'm lucky to have friends who supported me when I moved
I'm so happy for you! :D Because I was just like you. I can now see how wasteful it is to take someone's happiness way just because I don't understand it or was taught to be disgusted of. when in reality it does not effect me in any way. Now I try to think twice about topics or things that makes me "angry", most of the time, it's just what was forced onto me as a kid. I stand by the saying of -" So long they aren't hurting themselves or people around them and if it is making their lives easier, better or just because they want to, Then I have nothing to say"
I'm a lesbian and was raised in a heavily conservative area. I didn't realize until I left and was away for several years how bad a lot of the things I was raised hearing from adults around me were. I had random adults in my community that I knew, even at places like my part time job, who would say and do incredibly homophobic things and I thought it was ok for them to dislike that I was a gay person as long as they were nice to me. I literally thought it was ok for me to be friends with homophobic people and thought that they liked me. It's horrible the level of mental grooming that goes on especially for LGBT people raised around discriminatory beliefs. It takes so much to get over it and can leave you with so much trauma after you fully grasp the severity of things. I get really sad a lot now realizing that most people I grew up around or adults that I trusted as a kid don't accept me and don't care to learn about the harm that their beliefs do to people like me.
i grew up on the internet and they taught me so much hate. i used so many racial and ableist slurs while being numb to misogyny and discrimination. i found out im lesbian and got diagnosed with autism recently. now i stand for womens rights, lgbt rights, the disabled and this made me realise that hate is taught and passed on.
I’m gender fluid and this 4:10 makes me extremely angry .i have night where I cry my self to sleep cuz I am a girl and need to be a boy and feel immense gender dysphoria .so no Kelly your not the only one who feels gender dysphoria you can’t just say it’s only trans people Much more changes than my pronouns.>:(
Same im also genderfluid and last night had a full melt down bc of my chest and my long hair, i had to change what i was wearing and tied my hair up and my friend was helping me, it was a nightmare
Also I'm pretty sure the US flag code says that you cannot print the flag on anything else....for example her blanket / towel. You can't put the flag on a bedspread. You can't put the flag on a bikini. You can't print the flag on anything.
So true!!! I’m in Australia and it’s same. Once the captain in primary school. Had to raise the flags every Monday * Flags because Australian, Torres Strait and Aboriginal. The flag ONCE out of many many times, touched the ground and I felt so ashamed that I almost cried.
There's way more to Kanyes point. Basically he was pointing out that slaves weren't fighting to the death for freedom. Not actively violently resisting is a choice. That's what Kanye was trying to say.
@Pistonrager .......thats still bad not fighting hard enough tf does that mean literally Nat Turner led a goddamn rebellion which resulted in them killing slave owners. Not fighting hard enough my ass.
I never understood the "this person did a terrible thing so let's not use their correct pronouns" thing. Like, we don't call cis people by the wrong pronouns when they're evil. If it's both ways, okay, I guess. But just because they did something terrible doesn't mean we stoop down to their level
Yeah, and like funkyfrogbait said, it’s too much of a slippery slope. There is just too many people, especially in america right now, that would just jump on whatever chance they have to invalidate trans people.
We should start calling them the wrong pronouns. Or just not talk about them bc it’s such a problem especially in America where horrible people are basically made celebrities encouraging others to follow in their footsteps
ok completely off topic but i can't stop thinking about how cool your glasses are. i love the angles and the little triangles in the corners that look like cat ears
The whole debate thing where she got her ass absolutely *handed* to her, delightful to watch also she's apparently offended by non-binary people and as one myself its just absolutely ridiculous to the point its almost funny like?? sorry i exist ig?
Well, non-binary and trans people don't quite go hand in hand. non-binary push for this like "male woman" for trans women, which is quite obviously transphobic.
Ohhh that’s what she was saying, sorry if my comment confuses you but I was actually confused on what Kelly was saying at the beginning but now I know.
She’s definitely dealing with the effects of being online too much. She talks about these issues in a very radical way, flipping from one extreme belief to the other as if there’s no other choice, and the fact that she just believes the first headlines she sees is not good. She needs a reality check asap, touch some grass, meet some people in the LGTBQIA+ community to remember WHY the community is important to have around and why we can’t just go around spewing every thought that comes to our head because it DOES affect people. I don’t really care what she does, but I just hope she gets off the internet for a while.
Excellent take. Forcing herself into a reality-only existence for a while and joining a queer group/group therapy to learn about other people's lives, where she can look in their eyes and hear their stories and be forced outside of her own head would be very good for her.
I think she had a clone of Twitter instead of the real one because even though I don't have Twitter, from a friend's experience, it's very problematic.
fr bruh, i enter twitter and the first thing i see is a print of this EXACT sequence: trans person posts something silly; weirdo far-right asshole quotes it with: YOU'LL NEVER BE A WOMEN PEDOFILEEEEE; Elon Musk comments "Exactly."
The funniest part is her crawling back crying because she realised the only reason she was ‘accepted’ by the right is because they were using her and would ditch her the second she wasn’t needed anymore. Serves. Her. Right.
That's the whole conservative/bigot spectrum for ya, you're a tool. That's the cultural value, someone has power, and they use other people. Was raised in this culture and it fcked me mentally....
Funky is like tiktok's slightly weird but caring older sibling who seems super out of the loop, but weirdly always knows what's going on and will check on you. Unfortunately, one older sibling can't fix the psych ward that is TikTok (I'm mentally ill, I can make the joke).
I don’t think psych ward really describes it. At least a psych ward tries to help you, TikTok does not do that. TikTok is the misinformation vortex to end all misinformation vortexes, the time wasting black hole to end all time wasting black holes, and the app that has rotted my brain ever since I got it. but not in a Chinese spyware kind of way (cough cough america)
Its just so crazy how she had one bad take, rightfully got criticized for it and then just completely abandoned her own community because they weren't worshipping her very awful opinions. Didn't expect the the unraveling to happen within 2 months lol.
Right? Like a 'ya know what? Ya'll are right. I did some thinking about the comments I received and I shouldn't have done it and won't do it again." And then just never do it again. Even if she hadn't really changed her mind, just don't do it on video and no one would know. It would have been so much easier than the attempt to pivot right she made and failed at doing. Apologizing, even a fake apology, is so much easier than whatever she tried to do.
@@sproutthefrog The one where she insisted people could misgender the shooter because he had committed a crime, implying that pronouns and ur identity can be stripped from you if you do something that’s deemed bad.
@@dollrxst Well I don’t see much wrong with that, respect is earned not just given, and it goes both ways too, you want respect from a person who you respect no?
@@sproutthefrog All I’m gonna say is that no one refers hitler as a woman because he was responsible for the deaths of millions. So we should keep that same energy for everyone else
I'm a trans man, with a poc boyfriend, and hearing her say all of this horrible stuff makes me want to hug my boyfriend really tight, because while he's quite the tough guy, racism still isn't good and still exists in a lot if places, and I won't get offended on his behalf, but her apology means genuinely nothing, at least not to me.
“This is the flag I’m going to stand for” then proceeds to throw it on the floor, literally one of the most offensive things you could do w an American flag
As a southern blue dot in a sea of red I have had to unlearn a LOT of behaviors, unlearn a LOT the things I was taught and even things I used to say. I am lucky I have some friends who are very kind and patient to me and know me and know I would never ever try to be hurtful or disrespectful to anyone. they have answered my questions and helped me refrain some of my ways of thinking and rephrase some things I've said. I fully believe there's a difference between being hurtful and genuinely ignorant and I really appreciate you bringing that up.
Same, I grew up in the South and most of the people I knew were the most racist, homophobic, ableist people ever. Put they all raised me and I’m the most leftist person ever.
@@Aster_Risk I was genuinely so sad when I learned that some things I did were bad and immediately fixed them I'm not perfect but I am a work in progress every day
I sleep with my asexual flag directly behind me. I actually almost cried when I got it as a gift. It was so difficult coming out. Idk how anyone can burn something like that just because she thinks her opinion is superior? Idek
People saying that it's okay to misgender Trans people due to some of them committing atrocities are ridiculous to me. If I were to say that it's okay to call a black person the N-slur because they did the same thing, people would give me a HARD side eye. Look at the Trans situation through that perspective and you immediately see the problem.
classic case of "remove the attributes and suddenly it's so simple" So many arguments can be logically destroyed by being like "If person A touches person B without their consent, is it okay? No it's not so that means it doesn't become okay no matter what gender the people are" It's so infuriating how illogical people are this is not that difficult of a concept
For me the only time I think it can be ok would be someone who committed crimes that the trans community are stereotyped to commit. But only because they have degraded someone with there actions and harmed the community overall. But even then I personally wouldn’t do it.
I've had this convo with ppl IRL so many times 💀 like I know she's a bitch, but her pronouns are she/her, so stop calling her by the wrong pronouns! By all means, slag her off, but do it correctly, because misgendering her isn't just an insult to her, it's a display of your character too, and disrespecting her pronouns is also disrespecting other trans people.
This kinda reminded me of that veteran that burned his uniform because of his treatment when he got back from service, except there’s a BIG difference; you can hear in his voice and see on his face how heartbroken he was to be betrayed and cast aside, it was such an emotional moment even for someone like me who’s not patriotic. Meanwhile this lady’s vibes just scream “look at me!” I recommend giving the video a watch, he goes into detail about why.
I was 5 minutes into this video and thinking “wow she’s probably racist…” and then told myself “no you can’t just assume things about people based on 2 TikToks you’ve seen of them” and then hit 7:40 and wow I was right
The non-binary community is particularly intense with respecting pronouns and such because we don’t have ways of “medically transitioning” to anything outside of male or female by society standards. Sure I could go get a breast augmentation or facial feminization surgery but in reality that won’t help alleviate any nonbinary gender dysphoria for the whole community. There are nonbinary people completely comfortable with their bodies and such but simply want to be known as they, I also feel like as a nonbinary person there isn’t really a way to “pass” as such unless you have massive honkers, a mega bulge, beard and makeup on because that’s the only way you’ll confuse a typical person from society that you aren’t man or woman.
OMG THANK YOU 😭 I’m nonbinary and go by he/they pronouns born AFAB and have had people at work try to correct my coworkers for calling me he cause I haven’t done any surgeries or take T cause I just don’t feel as though it would make me feel better. Or my personal favorite I let my eyebrows grow as thick as they are and my mustache and some people would say how if I shaved it or trimmed my brows I’d look pretty
Yes! I never felt like any hormone therapy or surgery would bring my physical body closer to my non-binary identity. But I do like to do the opposite of "massive honkers, a mega bulge, beard and makeup" - flat chest, no beard, no makeup, no curves or bulges, no nothing. Feels very non-binary :)
The fact that she called Dylan's Days of Girlhood "Shtick" was my first clue that none of what she was going to say in that "apology" video was genuine. I'm so glad she never came across my socials at all and I'm so happy to learn about all of these rage-inducing people through your incredibly smart and hilarious videos. So glad I found you!
Unfortunately Kelly’s behavior after I finished this video has confirmed my pessimistic suspicions: she’s deleted ALL of her videos INCLUDING the apologies and after a brief pity party on Twitter declared she is moving away from politics. Which is good, but shows she’s not interested in making things right, she just wants to pretend nothing happened.
Grifters, am I right? *comedic sitcom laugh track plays*
Just wants to brush it under the carpet basically
Yeah I no longer care about her
I genuinely think she wanted to get a cookie for her opinions before she realized she definitely wouldn’t and that both sides were going to fully eat her alive.
Edit: Clarification, specifically left leaning and queer folks overwhelmingly would call her out and the right was NEVER going to accept her. They were just going to accuse her of the same things they accuse left leaning queer folks of doing.
Her opinion about not being able to transition over the age of 18 I transition and I’m 12
her saying "a lot of black people enjoyed being slaves" gave me actual whiplash.
edit: yall thinking i said whiplash as a joke are weird. i meant the injury caused by a sudden jerk to the head, as in i was so shocked that it's like being in a sudden car crash
As a black person myself, im jus so tired of communities using our history to make a point. Ive seen fat acceptance tik tok compare their discrimination to segregation. Why is our history always used? And the situation is almost always never that severe to where you need to bring up literally slavery to justify your point. Why can’t they just leave us out of it…
my jaw literally dropped dude. im in actual shock that she said that. you aren't ONE OF US.
i actually flew backwards in my seat like i fell over
Yeah, I bet they loved the constant physical abuse and lack of free will. Not to mention the 24/7 unpaid labor.
she really went full racist mode I was blown away.
Her saying "a lot of black people enjoyed being slaves" as a white history (specifically slave era history) researcher made me audibly gasp and back away from the screen 💀
wasn’t there like 10 diaries from the slaves saying they didn’t??
@@saturntheprincessnd god knows how many more of those that we didn't ever get to see lmao
@@mmmbepis8643 FR literally nothing says they liked it
The only way I can think that statement has any iota of "truth" is the idea that some may have tried to accept it or secure themselves a shaky and conditional position of power in order to try and make themselves safer, much like how conservative queer people probably think they'll be seen as "one of the good ones" if they parrot and preach the same hatred that's thrown at more blatantly queer people.
Same my jaw dropped. Like WOAH… 😦
You know you messed up when both political parties agree that they hate you
Seriously tho
That's actually sad as fuck like how?
That has to be a hability
That's really rare! You have to be VERY stupid
@@Colonsworth423 Well the right hates her because she's trans. The left hates her because she's a grifter and rejected the people she relied on for protection and to build the foundation of her rights.
The irony of her saying queer people didn't give her the right to be who she is, America did.... Girl do we need to go back to the beginning?? Do we need to start at stonewall??
Seriously. I literally screamed with rage when she said that.
No wonder she's casually racist, it was black trans women who started stonewall
How far back is she going? Does she still want to be able to vote??
Depending how the election goes America very well might try to take all of her rights away as LGBT+ and as a woman.
FR
“I’m really tired of being bullied by my own community” says the woman.. bullying.. her own community..
not just bullying - straight up demonizing
“Did you not see Matt Walsh’s new video on slavery??”
Same energy as “How does this situation affect women?? We asked a group of men”
You bully us we bully you it just how it works
Honestly tho idk why people advocate for bullying others then when they get bullied suddenly its wrong like no no wait thats not how this gonna work sis @foxy_drago
@@digitalmania6966 I was trying to make a point because at the time I wrote this I was really angry but im glad you pointed this out because you are correct just because someone picked on you dose not justify being mean back
"I'm not going to defend slavery BUT black people enjoyed being slaves"
How the FUCK do you believe such bullshit so eaily and quickly? When she said that I SCREAMED
Well the Florida education system is awful, so there's a legitimate chance she was taught that in school. That's not an excuse for her cuz she's an adult and she should know better, education should not end at highschool, but it does need to be examined how we let that education system get so far off the rails that the people running it are literally just lying about history.
"I'm not going to defend murderers BUT those people they killed probably deserved it"
That sounds like bullshit that come out of her mouth
My spirit left my body when she said that
I wanted to just fucking disappear
I don’t wanna live in a world where white women make the inaccurate argument that black people enjoyed slavery to say that slavery wasn’t that bad 💀
💀like girl we have several books written BY SLAVES about this TOPIC
Dude I’m Louisiana and we have a whole year on the civil war in history. I fell out of my bed when she said that
You know, we have actual recordings of former slaves. They're right here on UA-cam. During FDR's administration, there was a project to record their voices before they passed.
One woman recounts a story of another slave being whipped against a peach tree, and an overseer snuffing out his pipe on her back.
Another man flat-out says if he thought he would be a slave ever again, he'd shoot himself.
So no, they did not "enjoy" being slaves, or were "comfortable" in any way. American chattel slavery was a holocaust.
i mean the arguement that it was a product of its times is flawed when a fair chunk of the western world was freeing slaves and banning slavery within their empire. also it wasn't a popular thing with white people let alone the people being enslaved
👆👆👆this
*tries to like a comment I agree with then dislikes it on accident*
That's crazy, im gonna have to look it up. As a european, this kinda feels so removed from myself when it probably shouldnt.
And i was wondering, this whole thing about Black people also participating in slavery - like that one man said about rather shooting himself, if its a choice about being enslaved yourself or playing into the slaver's hands instead, can you blame anyone for doing the latter? But dont paint it as "oh yeah slavery was pretty swell for Black people" honestly wtf is she confusing this issue with house elves
“This country is what gave me the right to transition and be who I am” meanwhile many places in the US are taking away trans rights and transition rights
She's just deciding to conviniently ignore that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
and the USA is not even the only country that offers transgender care there are several countries who do that some even better than the USA
"This country begrudgingly allowed me to have bodily autonomy and the freedom to self-actualize while requiring me to clear assorted bureaucratic hoops to prove I really and truly deserve it--and even now, they're rethinking that."
and the kids, like its the promised neverland
Typical "fuck y'all, I got mine" mentality.
"I'm standing for the American flag because this country is what gave me the right to transition" says the trans woman who lives in Florida, where several different laws have been passed making her very existence within the state all but illegal.
I love the gross exaggeration
@@WolfKingHuttser It really is not far from the truth. Florida is trying it's hardest to make sure the lgbt+ community does not have rights
For minors.
I think the phrase you mean is "nothing but illegal" saying "all but illegal" implies it's not illegal
@tobelee6985 used to be but desatan decided he was going to do it for all trans people because hes a pathetic child who couldn't even win against disney
I remember parroting what my parents said politically. Then in seventh grade I told a friend I was republican and all he said was “is that what you think or what your parents think?”
That shit punched me in the chest so damn hard. I literally spiraled for months reevaluating my entire world view. I’ll always be thankful for that kid.
That was one fucking wise kid god damn
It’s what all of society does. Now it’s for woke points, those videos of trans and gay under 10 years old. That’s not the kid deciding they want to bang someone of the same gender, or that they want to change sex. That’s their parent.
The issue is, this has spread to the point that we forget the fine line of what’s promoting our kid and what I just forcing and manipulating them in another fashion.
@@oogaboogabe3464 and that was what the kid’s parents taught them. I think we are all forgetting what forms kids up.
dude. me too.
Christ on a a stick, that kid was far ahead of his time
"this is the flag I'm standing for, America"
*proceeds to step ON the flag 0.2 seconds after saying that*
thats illegal probably
@@dantecontreras887 While it's not illegal to step on the U.S. flag, it is HIGHLY disrespectful and I'd assume that goes for any flag.
Technically she was STANDING.. just... on it and uhh..not for it....
@@A.RATHERUNHINGEDDOG We thought the same, she was standing !! ON it, she just mispoked XD here's a virtual cooking and a high five for ya !
@@Awedasthma it's also an ugly ass flag made to look tattered
I'm not american, trans, or black. still found everything she did and said very offensive and dehumanizing.
yep. I am spanish, bi, cis woman and white as milk. But hell. truly horrifying.
Same
we don’t really need to specifically “be” anything in order to be absolutely appalled at everything she said
@@WTMR-FM true
I wanna say that it's good that you think that because it's true but idk how to do it in a way that doesn't seem sarcastic and condescening lmao
As a black person, when i tell you i had my phone on my table and i literally got so much closer when she made her statement about slavery, i am deeply horrified
Like wtf
The amount of shock is inexpressible. White people have zero shame and it's terrifying
I had to pause and go back. X.x I was like...she said what? What rational person could possibly believe that? Then I remembered I'm ascribing ration thought to this person... Then her apology... She meant to say "comfortable" and she was repeating an article headline...uh huh. That's believable.
My jaw literally dropped and my mom looked over to me and said "If I ever see that woman.."
I love how she said that even tho she is white 💀💀💀
Honestly I see the self hate Kelly has for herself to the point she's pushing her insecurities and problems onto others.
It's normal for every person to crave attention and validation to a certain degree, but yeah the extent she has gone to be accepted from random people on the internet and be so willing to adopt radical views so quickly implies she has an issue with herself
@@jadedoe9966 Bro, are u dumb or sum. She literally got it at 14 herself, plus you can't even have surgery until 16-18 or so. Only hormone therapy before, I think. And it isn't mutilation.
@@jadedoe9966 notice how no one brought that up except for you, do you wanna admit to something?
She reminds me a lot of Blair White, they try to make themselves feel validated by pandering the people who want to make them disappear. It's a losing fight.
@@tenkazuu that was her main issue …. As it is all of us republicans…
2:05 thank you SO much for speaking on this part in particular. a trend that i’ve been seeing is that whenever a person that is trans (or nonbinary or basically not a cis man/woman) gets outed for not being good, people feel like that gives them the green light to *purposefully* misgender them. it always irked me because like, why is that some people’s first priority? you can still dislike someone without being transphobic and such. people seem to immediately start attacking one’s identity rather than focus on the fact that the person in question is not good, and nothing more
Props to the person who debated Kelly for 3 HOURS with a level head. My immediate answer to her slavery take would've been: "I'm sorry, excuse me, what do you think slavery even is? A kink? Do you know anyone black? Did you run this take by them? Have you ever even read a slave/ex-slave journal or life story? Should I send some to you? I assure you there will be plenty in a library if you ever visited one, y'know?"
Same, I used to really enjoy debating but I just can't anymore because conservatives have gone so far down the rabbit hole that I actually just can't handle listening to them drag on and on about how certain groups of people don't deserve basic human rights. and they purposely choose to believe certain things that are untrue such as "black people enjoy being slaves" or "they're letting kids surgically transition" or "drag queens are child predators" or any of the crazy shit they come up with to justify their awful views.
I don’t know how they did that so calmly. I would’ve just been screaming in agony as I felt my brain cells melt away.
@@toomie27I'm glad they did, cause losing your mind and yelling is a surefire way to get your opposition to not take you seriously. Then again, the right always speaks over any spoken logic anyway.
Even at the "Yeah BUT" part I would've snapped, it shows she clearly lives a privileged and ignorant life and cannot handle a lick of negativity without switching sides in petty retaliation
You might be talking about Nominal Naomi, another trans woman and excellent debater
Kelly: "This is the flag I stand for!"
Also Kelly: *immediately drops flag on ground, making it no longer the American flag*
And walked on it, which would have made it not usable and need to be destroyed.
Stand for or stand on 😂
She ran around everything like a headless chicken 😂
Not to mention the fact that it wasn't even actually an American flag since it had some printed distress (also against flag code)
@@sickonshimmer And only printed on one side. "This is the flag I stand for!" *drops weird representation American flag* *stomp stomp stomp*
> Kelly transitions at 14
> Gets called out for not using correct pronouns
> Ditches her entire community to play house with the worst husbands ever
> Puts down the idea of trans teens transitioning under 18 as if the right wing knocked her memory right out of her
> gets called a couple of slurs and gets her pronouns skewed and runs back to the alphabet mafia
To be fair (for the age part), she could have just found that out that she should have waited until she was an adult after having done it. Exactly like someone doing a shit ton of drugs then saying you should only consume in moderation/avoid it. They're not hypocrites, they just learned from their mistakes.
@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine Yeah but she clearly is privileged in that regard as someone who didn't have to wait
Who's pronouns did she disrespect???
its like watching someone escape a cult to get to another cult and then go back into the same original cult. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad
@@ryanmaclean1720 yes we are a big scary cult for wanting our identities to not constantly be politicised so true
I have an ex best friend who is a Trans Woman and I never go out of my way to disrespect her pronouns or name no matter how much my hatred burns towards her. I hate her for her words and her actions, her identity isn't something to be used against her, EVER. I'm Happy for her transition and that she gets to feel comfortable in her own body but that doesn't mean the person inside her is good. I respect her identity, just not her as a person anymore
I also have an ex friend that did something so bad and inexcusable, but I still use their preferred pronouns when I talk about them. That doesn't mean I have to respect them as a person though.
Yeah. Whether a person is good or bad or deserving of respect should be entirely independent from how they identify - that is a completely personal matter, and it makes no sense to bring it into question when the issue is how their actions have hurt others. Even barring broader implications, willful misgendering is just plain unnecessary and distracts from the real reason why a bad person is wrong.
Exactly! Just call her a b!txh
that’s like me and my friend with two ex friends who were trans. we don’t deadname or misgender them but we both absolutely hate them
you’re telling me a traditionally attractive, blonde haired blue eyed trans girl, who had the privilege of transitioning before most trans people, was welcomed by the right when she started spouting the same thing they do?
shocker
I call it the Blair White principle
The best part is that "being welcomed to the right" just mean that they use you as a useful idiot.
I have friends in the alt right and i swear they talk absolute shit about their LGBT members when they aren't around.
@@roseyoung44Its kinda funny in a sick way ya know? Watching Blaire go on a podcast i think it was with other conservatives being actively hateful towards her (i think a woman actually continuously and purposely misgenders her) and her just sitting there letting it happen. I'll never understand why people like Blaire White or Candace Owens believe what they believe given what theh support actively hates them. Its like a chicken fighting for the existence of KFC.
Tbh, that was the first thing I though when I saw her 😅
@@blueismylove3128power is the most addicting drug
her: **bullies others**
also her: guys i can’t believe my own community is *bullying* me
Yep! It’s official, she is also a hypocrite.
Hypocrisy at its finest
The irony of all of it, she’s trans.
Hypocrisy at its peak in this woman
She literally went against almost everything her community stood for and is surprised they're angry about it
Watching a trans woman say"I'm leaving this cult,the only flag i stand for is America, this is the country i stand for"and hold up an American flag UNIRONICALLY, is ironically the FUNNIEST thing ive witnessed in a while. It was hard to believe that was not meant to be satire😭
And then drops and steps on the flag she is so proud of😂
yea as someone who's not from the US it reads like an outrageously over exaggerated joke about americans lol
she seems like the girl in primary/middle school to lie about everything like-
“hey i bought my cat a really cute collar-“
“i thought you said your cat died last week?”
“UHHH NO!!!!”
like wth 😭😭
@@STAR_WALTZ part of her "apology" video was her saying she alienated a lot of friends as a teenager because she'd change herself to fit in with the popular people.
The fact that she was comparing right wing people to high school "populars" aside, I think you've got her personality down.
Held the flag print cloth BACKWARDS, dragged it, dropped it, stepped on it.
Lmaooooooo, she really showed us, huh?
I feel bad for her, honestly. I used to also be an attention-seeking oversharer on the internet, and sometimes it's hard to recover from that. I hope she steps away from her platform and can make peace with that teenager in her who needs approval.
her talking about how america gave her the right to transition REALLY pisses me off because of how much our community had to fight for that right and how she's completely ignoring that
I wanted to make that point aswell, the lgbtq community was the one that fought for her to be able to transition in the first place 🤷♀️
"America? That country where politicians are trying Very hard to make transitioning harder than they already make it? Ok."
I mean she talks out of her ass so it's not shocking
Like where does she think that came from? Written into the original constitution? Doubt it.
Also, I don’t even want to admit how hard I laughed when she then threw the American flag on the ground and walked on it. I know it’s not a real American flag, but the symbolism was just. so. good. 😂
@@cyrusunderscore7315You can still do it though. So. Yeah.
I am a trans man, and also black and...... I just wanna say at whoever black or transgender person is reading it, you are valid; don't leave anyone use you as a political thing, whoever says that kind of stuff is able to do whatever they need to for validation, you are not an object people can use for successes.
This made my day. Thank you so much! 😊
I'm not black, and I'm (most likely) not trans, but I am an anxious queer, so I'm just going to set up a small tent under this safe, holesome comment.
I needed to hear that as a trans dude
I needed to hear that right now, thanks so much. You’re valid too :)
Honestly, thank you for this amazing comment.
- from a very dysphoric trans masc
Kelly: takes the word of a white man saying black people liked being slaves
Black people who were slaves: writing several books saying no the hell they did not.
White people who were slave owners: No don't you dare we spent a lot of money on telling the teachers at school to not talk to students about any of that >:(
lol humans are something else
what are the books called?? id like to check them out pls n thank u♡
@@wyrm2591 It’s actually become a genre called Slave Narrative just look that up
here's a fun fact for you: the FIRST American best seller was a novel by the name of Uncle Tom's Cabin. It was written by a woman by the name of Harriet Beecher Stowe. The novel depicts the harsh conditions of slavery and follows 2 main plot lines: Harry, a man who escaped a plantation and eventually saves his family, and Tom, a man who stays on the plantation to protect those who escape from it eventually ending in his death. The book was an honest look into what slavery in America was like and from that it became a best seller as it showed many a glimpse into what the other side looked like
@@wyrm2591 Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl by Harriet Jacobs
I find it downright hilarious that she committed flag desecration when “standing for America”
more like standing ON america
I don't even respect the US any more, but my jaw still dropped when I saw that. I have no idea how some people are so oblivious to the flag code.
it’s like when I see those people with torn/bleached flags on their car. Like, no, those flags need to be retired if you respect them so much
@@Witherman_Main 💀💀
More like standing on america
I LOVE THE NON-BINARY FLAG EYESHADOWWWW!!!
ITS SO SUBTLE YET CUTE!!!
i've seen this video several times and i didn't even notice until now, that's so cool
Omg I’ve watched this vid like 6 times and did not notice until you said anything
Sameee!
holy CRAP you have a good eye
It is very, very subtle. Still, looks great!
I like how she’s not holding the American flag right then drops it on the ground and steps on it which is everything you gotta do to disrespect national flags
I was thinking the same thing, but also the camera could have been flipped
I like how it looked like she was holding a beach towel and not even an actual flag.
I genuinely laughed out loud at that part
@Laura__Pier lmao we're making jokes abt disrespecting the American flag, not respecting it.
I knew not to let the flag touch the ground in KINDERGARTEN, how is that the flag she supposedly stands for???
I found it funny how she literally made a video burning a pride flag, and then later on makes a video saying "I can't believe my own community is rejecting me!" Um.. I thought that's what you wanted!?
I know right! So fuckin hypocritical
I love these videos because they are funny and chaotic but at the same time has your real opinions
Same
Ikr
💯
fr
So AGREED!
That little speech you gave about rehabilitating people who want to be more open minded people really hit home.
I unfortunately once was a confused person in denial of who I wanted to be,and was surrounded by people doing nothing but tell me what I shouldn’t be,and it let to me holding some pretty horrific ideas on gender,race,and sexuality,but I was also lucky enough to be surrounded by people who helped me get out of where I was going before I sank too deep.
As a species we should learn to love others for how they differ from us,not hate them for the ways they’re not the same as us.
So she gets to transition at 14 because she "always saw herself as a woman", but doesn't want others to do so until they're over 18 to make sure it's right for them???? So hypocritical. Also, "owning the pick me status" was beyond cringe.
Edit: Just saw what this all spurred almost a year later. I hope people learned from the conversations :)
She's hypocritical yes, but I also believe that people should atleast be a certain age before they're allowed to transition. Can you please explain why that sentiment is wrong? Just trying to understand here.
Edit: Thank you so much for informing me more about the subject everyone 💗. I was in no way trying to say that trans people should not be given rights to transition, please don't assume the worst of me. I do understand social and medical transitions and here I was specifically talking about medical transitioning. Again, thank you for informing me and moving forward, please remember not everyone has a bad intent so don't assume things I'm not even implying :)
Even if the only clip shown in this video was the 'owning the pick-me status' one, I would have raised _all_ the red flags.
"But I'm DIFFERENT! And SPECIAL! And my feelings are REALLY REAL, as opposed to other people's!"
@@elevensloosehair i guess it's the fact that she was 14 when she medically transitioned but wants others to do it at 18 and older
I understand why one would want people to (medically) transition at 18, however one could socially transition at a younger age such as using a different name and pronouns
Not every transition has to be medical
Her most real and true act as a conservative was saying she loved America, held up a flag, and them immediately broke flag code.
I know right I was like Jesus doesn’t even know how to take care of it I would have gotten chastised like tons when I was in boy scouts
Never understood that when we wear it on our coochies, as thongs in our goochies, never clean off the mustard and beer stains, and even have it on our boots so we be walkin on it anyway. XD
Okay as a black person im appalled at what she said about slavery but I LOST MY SHIT when you called her a “saltine sister” 😂
Edit-Such an honor to have my comment blow up like this let alone on one of froggy’s vids ☺️
Frs
Lmfao fr 😭
Yeah no, I completely died when I heard that LMAOO.
what does that mean?
I'm your thousandth like :)
"This country is what gave me the right to transition and be who I am" and they will take it away! In fact, they have already taken that right away in multiple states!
Fr lmao. She also acting as if the community she was leaving wasn't 200% of the reason she even had the right to transition
My biggest problem is that she never expressed any desire to educate herself or learn or grow, she basically just said "sorry for saying my thoughts out loud lol"
she peaked in high school.
@@StarsInDeath posibly middle school
pre-k ☠️
@@StarsInDeathshe peaked in middle school most likely tbh💀
before gilbert baker designed the pride flag in 1978, the common symbol for queerness was a pink triangle, which was a reference to the patches homosexual prisoners of nazi concentration camps were forced to wear.
harvey milk, california's first openly gay elected official, approached baker for a design as a part of his next campaign. baker's design includes pink, teal, and indigo in addition to the traditional colors of the rainbow. pink meant sex, red meant life, orange meant healing, yellow meant sunlight, green meant nature, teal meant magic, indigo meant serenity, and violet meant spirit. it was a little whimsical because it was meant to evoke hope and celebration. the first two flags were hand dyed by lynn segerblom and hand sewn by baker and by james mcnamara.
harvey milk was assassinated that same year.
after milk's assassination, the flag design gained popularity and eventually overtook the pink triangle. like a change from looking at the pain and degradation of the past, to looking forward at whatever new, beautiful thing is coming next for us.
the flag has been simplified since then, now usually including only the traditional rainbow colors.
gilbert baker passed away in 2017. he never trademarked the flag. he wanted it to belong to all of us in the community. it was never just for gay men. it was always for all of us.
this woman stands on his shoulders. and on harvey milk's shoulders. and on mine, actually. she stands on the shoulders of every queer person who came before her. she stands on the shoulders of everyone whose blood and tears went into the fight to give her the right to her bottom surgery. she's like a generation out from a time when she wouldn't have been allowed to change her name on her drivers license.
the queer community isn't just a bunch of kids and freaks who approve or deny your sense of worth based on changing tides. we're generations of people who share an experience and an identity and who needed a place to call home.
look, i get it. she's young, privileged, and impulsive. she's exploring her place in adulthood. i felt her when she confessed that she always felt compelled to seek the approval of her bullies. i believe she was telling the truth in that moment.
i would encourage her to share these thoughts with a journal, rather than using the internet as a sounding board and then being shocked when the sound bounces back at her.
this was worded very well :]
This was beautifully written. Thank you for sharing❤
Wonderfully said❤
This is absolutely beautiful❤❤
Thank you so much for the amazing history and raising of awareness, you're amazing.
7:36 k-k kelly absolutely killed me 😭😭
I’m a trans man myself I have never had any surgery for my gender (mostly because I am still in high school) but when she said “is it because the only transition that’s taking place is changing your pronouns” I was shocked. Yes Kelly for me right now the only thing that I have changed about myself right now are my pronouns because I am still a minor and the surgery’s are really expensive not everyone has a rich dad that will pay for their surgeries.
Edit: I’m not a minor anymore but I am broke soo
Even so- that’s a social transition. And it is valid! Socially transitioning is IMPORTANT and insurance companies fight with us.
-a adult trans masc
Never surrender 🥰 fight to be YOU🌈💙
AYO, ANOTHER TRANS GUY! Don't mind them bro, you're valid no matter what people say!
*ALSO*, it's not just the fact that there are underage people who can't have surgery, but there are people who *don't have the money* to do it. Besides, you have to stay in bed for a while and not make too much effort to avoid opening the scars, which is also something that people *can't do*, because most of them have jobs that if they don't go to, they'll lose their jobs (or won't be able to afford a house).
(sorry if my English is a little bad, I'm learning lol)
oh my god so much this ☝️☝️
I’m also a trans guy myself using he/they, but I haven’t had any of the surgeries because a) I’m a broke college student and b) my parents would rather disown me than support my decision
This video honestly had me livid and people like Kelly SERIOUSLY have got to stop
THIS also like. im terrified of surgeries and not even to mention how some procedures can be difficult to get in the first place because of a lack of accessibility for trans healthcare !!!
“This country gave me the right to transition” Who do you think fought for that right in the first place Kelly? 🤨
Cause it sure as hell wasn’t conservatives
the black trans women she disrespected with her racism
Real
Matt Walsh of course duhh!
Why does her being named Kelly feel so apropos, just like that Kelly whatherface from Fox News who is a simp for the alt right
She also spoke on behalf of trans men and complained that she was being bullied after preaching freedom of speach. Her strange flip flopping was so irritating and im glad best froggy covered this
As a trans man, she does not speak for us. Throw her in the bin.
She’s like going which ever way the wind sways her ( that being how many likes she gets as froggy put it)
have you been to a Pride parade? do you honestly think sexualizing children under 10 years old is good?
Love the subtle non-binary eyeshadow lol
My biggest pet peeve is when people use freedom of speech to justify being a total douche. It only protects you from the government, not these hands 🥊🥊
I was wondering if they were wearing the nonbinary flag eyeshadow. I could slightly see the colors but since my eyes are a little fucked up, I couldn’t tell. Glad I’m not the only one who noticed 😅 Also yes!!! Just because you CAN, doesn’t mean you SHOULD. Just because you’re allowed to say that stuff, doesn’t make it okay to say hurtful and hateful stuff.
Freedom of Speech does NOT mean Freedom from Consequences, whether it's getting hit with a Left, Right, Goodnight, getting rightfully called out for their ice cold rotten Takes, or spending the night behind bars.
My jaw dropped when she actually said that slaves enjoyed being slaves…Girl. I would simply pass away if I ever said anything like that. A handful of “privileged” slaves enjoying “good” treatment from their masters doesn’t cancel out the hundreds upon thousands of slaves being abused, starved, beaten, r*ped, tortured, and killed every day. (And I say “privileged” as in, not getting beaten or whipped or physically abused daily, as we expect based upon what we know of history. It’s not a privilege to be treated with human decency and respect.)
Being given back human rights by those who took them away isn’t privilege. It’s still cruelty.
As a black and part indigenous (my grandma’s side), this is really really racist
but . . . but . . . all those children's books portraying (attempting to . . . . sarcasm roll . . . . it's a 2) . . . where did this woman get the idea that any slave in history liked being a slave? The Bigot table at the Cracker Barrel . . . . no no . . . they all left an hour ago over the impossible breakfast meat option they saw on the menu.
It's extra insulting because, as a privileged trans woman, she should understand that not everyone has the same experience in minority groups. She gushes about getting "all of these wonderful opportunities" yet fails to acknowledge that others aren't so lucky. 😒
I mean, yes, black people were slavers too, especially back in Africa, but I doubt that the slaves enjoyed the treatment
As a black person it genuinely aggravates me that her "apology" about her being quite blatantly rascist was how she read it in an article somewhere because amongst all the other stupid things shes done this is one of the major highlights her spouting extremely wrong and rascist comments about a topic she clearly has never experienced and knows nothing about is such a brain dead move and the apology somehow made it worse to me
No no. It wasn’t reading, I was skimming. I couldn’t be water boarded to confess that. I wouldn’t be caught dead saying that or parroting anything I didn’t at least to research the subject a feel more articles and experiments.
An article by a racist conservative white man no less
Personally, as a trans man, I’m not sure if I can ever forgive her. She’s caused tremendous harm to our community. Not just recently, but for years. Conservatives are gonna use her as a talking point for years. We also just haven’t seen much yet to prove she’s actually sorry. We’ve gotten an apology, but that’s all right now. We’ll have to wait and see I guess.
How's she been harming the community before this? I'd never heard of her before today, so I genuinely have no clue.
She shouldn’t be sorry she was completely in the right for most of her points we need to stop pushing this delusional pronoun nonbinary trans shit if we don’t have conservatives and Christians speaking out America is doomed
@@Naixatloz I think he meant that the recent damage she's done is going to linger for years to come. She made such a splash it's almost guaranteed that, as gumzee269 stated, the Conservatives are going to bring her up in political discourse for a good long while. This is also my first time learning about Kelly so I might be unaware of past issues as well, but based on the video, it seems like all this chaos is a recent development.
I’m not trans but I’m bi and I’m black so when she was doing all this BS I was so offended like nah she ain’t welcomed how dare she come for us when we be welcoming
She switches sides likes she's on a team of chess Kelly just wants to be on the side that backs her up the most
As an afab enby teen, her saying that it’s just pronouns is wild, because first off pronouns can cause crazy dysphoria and I am very self conscious about my chest
Same here, it’s awful, I’m sorry you have to deal with that
“I’m really tired of being bullied in my own community” she says, as she bully’s people in her own community
She is so hypocritical, it’s unbelievable and the fact SHES allowed to transition at 14 but others have to wait till they are 18?!
Also she burned the pride flag and said she wasn’t a part of the LGBTQ+ community lol. “I don’t understand why my community is attacking me! Anyways here’s a video of me burning that community’s flag.”
To be fair, you should wait to be an adult for cosmetics surgeries. If someone wants to wear dresses and shit and call themselves Tiffany. Be my guest but the surgery should wait for the brain to mature. If you're an adult, you should remember how goddamn retarded you were as a teenager and have at least a few things you regret doings.
The way she acts im surprised she ever reached the age of 14. She thinks like an egomaniacal 11 year old.
It feels a lot like she ping pongs around depending on how she views people treating her, trying to find the right social group that will give her the most positive interaction. Switching to the right gave her a rush of approval from right wing nut jobs who just wanted to hate trans people, then she realized... they hate trans people, so she flopped back. I doubt she is even really aware of why she does it, at least not while she is actively flopping around. She had to reflect back on it and realize, at least a little bit, that she was seeking validation and not seeing the bigger picture (that the right hates her cause she's trans, duh). Hopefully she can do a lot more reflection and get her shit figured out, but she should probably just stay the fuck off social media.
I cannot fathom how she genuinely thought that the right would welcome and accept her as a TRANS WOMAN 💀 Absolutely smooth brain moment, not a SINGLE wrinkle in there.
Blaire White is literally an example too, like, if she were the first conservative trans woman, then I’d get why she may think it would work… but it’s been done before. Blaire White was told to grow a beard or whatever by a conservative in a video on r/leopardsatemyface. It was so painful.
And smooth brain is cute, wrinkle brain is ugly >:(
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b smooth brain means you’re dumb so it’s not cute 😭
They will adopt token minorities that “agree” with their views because then they can use them as an example that “hey this [insert minority here] agrees with us so you can too if you are the same [minority]!”
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b
Smooth brain literally means being without knowledge, a baby or an animals brain is smoother, wrinkly brains mean knowledge which is why adult humans have so many wrinkles in their brains
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b but here’s the thing, blaire white talks with reason. Many of her points actually make a lot of sense. And she has self-respect. This chick right here doesn’t. She’s just saying whatever that will make her audiences happy.
“Kelly, Slavery is Bad, Nobody enjoyed it and it was a terrible time in history.”
kelly: “Nuh uh”
Everyone: "The fuck you mean 'Nuh uh'?!"
Kelly: " . . . I think no~"
That's k-k-kelly to you!
Conservative Kelly! Making everyone she know hate her and then blaming it on her fans.
I mean, I'm sure the enslavers enjoyed it, but that's beside the point
I also love how you are wearing nonbinary colours for eye shadow while she disses on nonbinaries, love you Funky
The part about the American flag allowing her to transition is so ironic to me considering gender affirming care is becoming widely illegal and trans youth are literally being taken away from their guardians rn in Florida 💀
Take away the children of conservatives.
It’s not being restricted for adults. People only have issues with children medically transitioning.
@Hillary Clinton I would strongly disagree with you with that one. There have been bills in states that have attempted to ban gender affirming care before the age of 26. They don't want anyone to transition, they just use the whole "think of the children!" fallacy as a scapegoat
Wouldn't bother arguing with them lol, they're just commenting on every post stirring up shit
Theyre taking children away???
The main problem I have with her misgendering the person that committed that crime is that she wouldn’t do that to a cis person so why would she do it for a trans person ? Like that doesn’t make sense to me cause she’s not gonna go and misgender a cis serial killer for the heck of it. Like no one does that unless they don’t respect trans people
What criminal? That part was never explained and I tried looking it up but I don't have enough to go on. I have no idea what happened!
@@EamonWill the Nashville school shooter is who she was referring to in the first few TikToks
@@EamonWill The way she said "child unaliver" made me feel like specifically it was something about abortion or some shit
Because if someone ACTUALLY killed a child, we dont use funny words
@@MystamiSalamishe likely said "unaliver" to avoid Tik Tok taking the post down or something. That's why people say "toaster bath" or "sewer slide" instead of "suicide"
@@Detective_asparagusYep. That’s exactly why. Tiktok is super strict about that.
As a nonbinary person, her take on nonbinary people made me so mad my brain stopped working
I can't believe a trans person would do any of this honestly
when she said the stuff about non binary people i swear i felt my brain leak out of my ears
apparently hers has stopped as well
It was such whiplash too, I thought I was having a nightmare
the subtle NB makeup is making me so happy ily frog
YESS I noticed that too I came looking to see if anyone else did XD
Kelly: "get your priorities straight."
Me: "if getting them straight means misgendering people, I'd rather have them gay."
i have my priorities bisexual
@@cloudysama404mine are lesbian
Yooo a sodikken fan welcome!!
exactly, one thing i’ve never understood is why we see trans people’s pronouns/gender identity as a privilege that can be taken away, while we never do that to cis people when they do terrible things
like. it’s not about priorities, it’s about how as a whole, society treats terrible trans people differently than how we treat terrible cis people and that needs to. not be a thing. we don’t go around calling hitler a she and saying he was a woman even though he started a global war and sentenced more than 6 million people to their deaths
(not to compare trans people to hitler, that’s just the most notorious example of a Horrible Person Who Happened To Be Cis i could think of)
edit: wow i apparently did not watch far enough into the video and i happened to make the exact same point that funkyfrogbait did, my bad. i didn’t mean to sound like a broken record lol
my priorities shall be aroace :)
As a trans person, I just want to say she can do herself. Idc how sorry she claims to be, she is on her own. She didn't make some silly little mistake one time, she knew damn well what she was doing and I highly doubt she's actually sorry at all. Some things can't be forgiven and I feel like this is one of them.
agree 101%
She can get better _away from me_
Im tired of being told I dont exist because Im non binary
Nuhu. No second chances. Bye
Idk I’m just not going to interact with any of this content either way because I don’t have tiktok. I think she’s just really messed up and that’s kind of sad to watch
exactly. if u fu- it up, you're instantly yeeted outta here. dont care.
It’s baffling that she doesn’t understand that if you try to burn down the community she claims to be a part of no one is going to be holding hands with her singing Kumbaya and inviting her to the next pride parade. Attacking everything a family loves and holds dear is how you get them to go no contact with you just to be sure you don’t show up and ruin the holidays again. She burned the bridge with her second family now she gets to live with the consequences just like Kaitlyn Jenner
I don't do TikTok and rely on your videos to keep up with the drama. Your video style makes these serious topics more bearable, so thank you for keeping this 30+ queer trans man up to date 🤣
TikTok scares me tbh
Omg me and you are literally exactly the same except for the 30+ part
My name is even Oliver too 🤣🤣🤣
You look so good man! Keep it up :D
As a 23 year old trans masc, same.
I am extremely jealous of your ability to grow an amazing beard, mad props. Im in my 30s and my facial hair still grows in like om 15 lol
Epitome of “fuck you I got mine.”
BRO WHAT I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND WORKED AT MCDONALDS W HER!!! SHE WON PROM QUEEN ONCE AND FUCKIN BRAGGED ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME
the narcissism def started in high school :/
@@ShelbyHagan-lh1wkbeware the mean girl syndrome.
she peaked in high school and it shows
What the hell 💀
the irony of her being on a high horse about her expensive gender affirming surgeries and then rejecting people like her in favour of the people who want to force her to medically destransition is insane
Hey man, thanks for breaking down the "misgendering an awful person" thing. It can be difficult to argue the point because it can often come across like I'm arguing the awful trans person is actually okay and that I need to "get my priorities straight" as folks like Kelly will put it. No, it's a "this affects all trans people, including the good ones, and they don't deserve that" thing.
Ikr?
I don't know about that. A man who openly admitted he was being a girl to get girls, harassed women in the past, and SA'd his mother is in a female outpatient group home after prison. They literally only transitioned because of trying to get girls, they admitted it. Christian Weston Chandler. Some people exist in really offensive ways, it doesn't mean they don't exist
Sometimes we just need to remember that everyone is a person who deserves the rights of a person. Even if someone is a total monster, they are still a person who has human rights.
It's also a dumb argument, like Jeffrey Dahmer killed a lot of people, are we gonna start referring to him as she? 😂
@@texyp.856 The argument is we can call him whatever we want, like the worst gay man in American history
Kelly is a sad example of what happens when you fight against your own existence. All you make is enemies.
How was she in the same sentence bragging she was trans since she was 14, but then say other people shouldn’t be allowed until they’re 18 to ‘make sure this is the right path’
Like wtf
I despise "I got mine, so fuck you" attitudes. Especially from people who know the firsthand struggles of minority issues then throw that community under the bus.
Apparently hypocrisy is in vogue
Apparently…
✨ privilege ✨
9:48 this is so funny to me as a biologist. the terms ‘cis’ and ‘trans’ are used in organic chemistry to refer to chemical isomers (compounds that are the exact same except for shape, the most common examples are trans fat and cis fat (aka just fat)), so the idea of removing the word cis from my vocabulary as someone in STEM is hilarious!!
Ah a fellow scientist. Sorry, just here to say hi. On my physicist fianee’s account but geologist here who suffered thru orgo. That was straight abuse. My lab was at 4:30AM. And they wondered why I failed lol. I switched to rocks like I always wanted and left the pre med to the pre meds; I only did it for a really foolish reason anyway
this is the second time ive seen a biologist correcting a transphobe and i want more of it
I saw someone on TikTok having a live with the prompt saying “trans or biological people” like WHAT 😂 everyone person is a biological person WHAT
@@claire.182 nah, as a trans person I was created in a test tube in my mom’s basement laboratory /s
I remember being taken offguard by those terms during my biology class
My teacher even made a joke one day saying “please don’t put that the Golgi apparatus has a transgender and cisgender face in your exam sheets” (that was mostly because a classmate had previously wrote Bisexual layer when referring to the bilayers of lipids)
Her talking about not feeling offended if someone misgenders her when you know no one actually does that.
It’s funny because the conservatives she oh so wanted attention from purposely misgendered her and called her “a trans identifying man” 💀
But yeah they’re the accepting ones right
Lol, I "love" seeing passing trans people say they don't mind misgendering, like girl of course you don't because that doesn't happen to you 💀
the people she's trying to get to like her, actually do misgender her. a lot call her a TIM (trans identifying male). Even to her face. She made a whole video about it, but i think she deleted it.
@mae-of-the-valley I think they meant like out on the street, people who wouldn't know immediately because she passes fully
@@BarbieDreamDungeon upon reading that again; you right.
Imagine having the privilege to transition at 14 because she “didn’t feel comfortable” then saying you should be forced to suffer until your 18
Glad you mentioned that dropping an American flag on the floor or ground is a sign of disrespect. Her conservative friends should blast her for that.
Frog really out here risking the little faith in humanity they have left to keep us informed about this kind of stuff, that's bravery right there goddamn
They’re a bloody hero for being willing to put their remaining faith in humanity at stake
She*
@@meatach4632 they**
@@meatach4632 *they
last I checked Frog uses they/them pronouns. and based on this video probably is trans as well?
@@chocomelo454 How can a they them be trans, you can't transition into that 😭😭
I just got to say its a little bit of a red flag if you feel completely safe on Twitter and you love it.
Yeah, I had to stop using it because it was actively degrading my mental health. If you like it after more than a few hours of using it, you've either got some algorithm magic on your side (unlikely), or you're nuts.
i had a private Twitter account before abandoning it out of anxiety, that app is the least safe social media to go to
@Moebym Twitter is an ableist hellscape that treats psychopaths like shit so I don't really see your comparison here
Oh 100% I personally have deleted twitter, that place is a pile of cat shit
When she said “Twitter is the place I can talk without it turning into a huge fight!” I almost pissed myself
You REALLY hit the nail on the head with her needing to just remove herself from social media. I don’t even know her and never even heard of her until seeing your video and the first words that came out of my mouth to my husband were: some people really shouldn’t be allowed to have social media. Especially if you have mouth diarrhea like this Kelly person. My GOD when she started talking about slavery I physically recoiled. Wow, just…WOW.
it’s really sad seeing trans people thinking that if they make fun and point out people in their own community, they will be spared of ridicule and hate. No matter what label/identity you identify with, the conservatives will despise us anyways.
A house divided does not stand, and the conservs know it. All people like Kelly are doing is making it easier to tear us appart unaware that the big stompin' shoe falls on THEIR heads as well.
Mhmm and the moment they can make it illegal to literally have freedom of expression... Kelly isn't gonna be spared from their wrath.
Not related to LGBTQ+ but my Filipina mom is pretty conservative, and pretty open about her distain for BIPOC, despite being one herself. I keep trying to tell her that at the end of the day, conservatives are saying the same shit about her that she says about BIPOC. She’s not spared from being judged as a POC.
@@sheenashroder5315 same here actually, my mum’s an immigrant but is incredibly against immigrants entering our country and hates hearing strangers speak their mother tongue - when she literally speaks her’s all the time. It’s odd
Exactly!!! If you turn on your own community to appease the bigots all you’ll be is sad and alone as the very same bigots only like you for affirming their beliefs not you as a person
“A homophobic gay doesn’t exist!”
“A transphobic trans doesn’t exist!”
“They can’t hurt y-“
Kelly:
LMAO FR
Oh man were you not around during the Kalvin Garrah days? Fucker indoctrinated so many trans kids into thinking like him because they were young and impressionable and wanted to learn about their identity
When I was younger I was VIOLENTLY homophobic. My birthday is in June and I hated gay people for taking away my month 💀
I'm a transphobic enby but I do not claim her /hj
@wanderingkuniNGO
I was adopted into a conservative family. It took moving away from them to learn how toxic my views were and the racist ideas I had been taught. I'm learning everyday how to be a better person, and I'll never stop learning. I'm lucky to have friends who supported me when I moved
I'm so happy for you! :D
Because I was just like you.
I can now see how wasteful it is
to take someone's happiness way just because I don't understand it
or was taught to be disgusted of.
when in reality it does not effect me in any way.
Now I try to think twice about topics or things that makes me "angry", most of the time, it's just what was forced onto me as a kid.
I stand by the saying of -" So long they aren't hurting themselves or people around them and if it is making their lives easier, better or just because they want to, Then I have nothing to say"
I'm a lesbian and was raised in a heavily conservative area. I didn't realize until I left and was away for several years how bad a lot of the things I was raised hearing from adults around me were. I had random adults in my community that I knew, even at places like my part time job, who would say and do incredibly homophobic things and I thought it was ok for them to dislike that I was a gay person as long as they were nice to me. I literally thought it was ok for me to be friends with homophobic people and thought that they liked me. It's horrible the level of mental grooming that goes on especially for LGBT people raised around discriminatory beliefs. It takes so much to get over it and can leave you with so much trauma after you fully grasp the severity of things. I get really sad a lot now realizing that most people I grew up around or adults that I trusted as a kid don't accept me and don't care to learn about the harm that their beliefs do to people like me.
i grew up on the internet and they taught me so much hate. i used so many racial and ableist slurs while being numb to misogyny and discrimination. i found out im lesbian and got diagnosed with autism recently. now i stand for womens rights, lgbt rights, the disabled and this made me realise that hate is taught and passed on.
I’m gender fluid and this 4:10 makes me extremely angry .i have night where I cry my self to sleep cuz I am a girl and need to be a boy and feel immense gender dysphoria .so no Kelly your not the only one who feels gender dysphoria you can’t just say it’s only trans people Much more changes than my pronouns.>:(
Same im also genderfluid and last night had a full melt down bc of my chest and my long hair, i had to change what i was wearing and tied my hair up and my friend was helping me, it was a nightmare
Kelly: "this is the flag I'm gonna stand for"
Also Kelly: *immediately proceeds to drop, drag, and step on the flag*
Uh huh. Yeah.
If this happen to me, i would have to go through 5 stages of depression
Also I'm pretty sure the US flag code says that you cannot print the flag on anything else....for example her blanket / towel. You can't put the flag on a bedspread. You can't put the flag on a bikini. You can't print the flag on anything.
she made a mistake in her english, she meant "this is the flag i'm gonna stand on!" i hope this clears things up 🩷
the fact it was a fcking towel too 😭💀
So true!!! I’m in Australia and it’s same. Once the captain in primary school. Had to raise the flags every Monday * Flags because Australian, Torres Strait and Aboriginal. The flag ONCE out of many many times, touched the ground and I felt so ashamed that I almost cried.
Kelly saying “Black people enjoyed being slaves” belongs in the racism hall of fame along with Kanye’s “slavery was a choice” comment
Kanye said that? SERIOUSLY 😒?!
i feel like we shouldn't be shocked atp@@UniversallyComputer-to7nb
There's way more to Kanyes point. Basically he was pointing out that slaves weren't fighting to the death for freedom. Not actively violently resisting is a choice. That's what Kanye was trying to say.
@Pistonrager .......thats still bad not fighting hard enough tf does that mean literally Nat Turner led a goddamn rebellion which resulted in them killing slave owners. Not fighting hard enough my ass.
@@_PeachTea_ individually. Unless you think random civilians deserve credit for military victories.
I never understood the "this person did a terrible thing so let's not use their correct pronouns" thing. Like, we don't call cis people by the wrong pronouns when they're evil. If it's both ways, okay, I guess. But just because they did something terrible doesn't mean we stoop down to their level
Idk, part of me thinks that'd be hillarious. Just give every horrible criminal the wrong pronouns.
Might just be my dumb sense of humor, tho.
Yeah, and like funkyfrogbait said, it’s too much of a slippery slope. There is just too many people, especially in america right now, that would just jump on whatever chance they have to invalidate trans people.
We should start calling them the wrong pronouns. Or just not talk about them bc it’s such a problem especially in America where horrible people are basically made celebrities encouraging others to follow in their footsteps
Maybe we should just simping for killers edit: I ment to post this on a different video sry guys
Stop sorry
ok completely off topic but i can't stop thinking about how cool your glasses are. i love the angles and the little triangles in the corners that look like cat ears
The whole debate thing where she got her ass absolutely *handed* to her, delightful to watch
also she's apparently offended by non-binary people and as one myself its just absolutely ridiculous to the point its almost funny like?? sorry i exist ig?
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
Like yeah I don’t identify with either gender, that’s it. Why does that offend or confuse you 💀
Whoopsies, I exist, it's time to scurry away to the gender cave and hide till the flip flop woman agrees we valid
Well, non-binary and trans people don't quite go hand in hand.
non-binary push for this like "male woman" for trans women, which is quite obviously transphobic.
@@racooninatrenchcoat4257 I love your username
@@KingOfGaymes thanks :)
Her being like "Nuh uh i get to transition but you dont, sucks to suck" is crazyyy
Ohhh that’s what she was saying, sorry if my comment confuses you but I was actually confused on what Kelly was saying at the beginning but now I know.
But yeah that’s crazy
She’s definitely dealing with the effects of being online too much. She talks about these issues in a very radical way, flipping from one extreme belief to the other as if there’s no other choice, and the fact that she just believes the first headlines she sees is not good. She needs a reality check asap, touch some grass, meet some people in the LGTBQIA+ community to remember WHY the community is important to have around and why we can’t just go around spewing every thought that comes to our head because it DOES affect people. I don’t really care what she does, but I just hope she gets off the internet for a while.
Excellent take. Forcing herself into a reality-only existence for a while and joining a queer group/group therapy to learn about other people's lives, where she can look in their eyes and hear their stories and be forced outside of her own head would be very good for her.
She put on the cat ear headband, chewed on some faces, and thought that would keep the leopards from eating her face
"I love Twitter people are so accepting!"
Me: Never once have I heard that statement in my entire life.
I think she had a clone of Twitter instead of the real one because even though I don't have Twitter, from a friend's experience, it's very problematic.
@@Cr3Ek_l0v3R fr
There ain't no way she had the ACTUAL twitter
fr bruh, i enter twitter and the first thing i see is a print of this EXACT sequence:
trans person posts something silly;
weirdo far-right asshole quotes it with: YOU'LL NEVER BE A WOMEN PEDOFILEEEEE;
Elon Musk comments "Exactly."
"The amount of damage you caused just because you wanted to be a pick me" gets me every time lmao
The funniest part is her crawling back crying because she realised the only reason she was ‘accepted’ by the right is because they were using her and would ditch her the second she wasn’t needed anymore. Serves. Her. Right.
That's the whole conservative/bigot spectrum for ya, you're a tool. That's the cultural value, someone has power, and they use other people. Was raised in this culture and it fcked me mentally....
"serves her *right* " pun intended?
“It is also your first amendment right to call that person an asshole. God bless America.”
I love you.
Honestly
Asswhole would probably the nicest thing I would call someone in that situation
Funky is like tiktok's slightly weird but caring older sibling who seems super out of the loop, but weirdly always knows what's going on and will check on you.
Unfortunately, one older sibling can't fix the psych ward that is TikTok (I'm mentally ill, I can make the joke).
I don’t think psych ward really describes it. At least a psych ward tries to help you, TikTok does not do that. TikTok is the misinformation vortex to end all misinformation vortexes, the time wasting black hole to end all time wasting black holes, and the app that has rotted my brain ever since I got it. but not in a Chinese spyware kind of way (cough cough america)
I shouldn’t have laughed as hard as I did with the little addition at the end of being mentally ill so you can make that joke 😂😂
Its just so crazy how she had one bad take, rightfully got criticized for it and then just completely abandoned her own community because they weren't worshipping her very awful opinions. Didn't expect the the unraveling to happen within 2 months lol.
Right? Like a 'ya know what? Ya'll are right. I did some thinking about the comments I received and I shouldn't have done it and won't do it again." And then just never do it again. Even if she hadn't really changed her mind, just don't do it on video and no one would know. It would have been so much easier than the attempt to pivot right she made and failed at doing. Apologizing, even a fake apology, is so much easier than whatever she tried to do.
What was that take exactly?
@@sproutthefrog The one where she insisted people could misgender the shooter because he had committed a crime, implying that pronouns and ur identity can be stripped from you if you do something that’s deemed bad.
@@dollrxst Well I don’t see much wrong with that, respect is earned not just given, and it goes both ways too, you want respect from a person who you respect no?
@@sproutthefrog All I’m gonna say is that no one refers hitler as a woman because he was responsible for the deaths of millions. So we should keep that same energy for everyone else
I'm a trans man, with a poc boyfriend, and hearing her say all of this horrible stuff makes me want to hug my boyfriend really tight, because while he's quite the tough guy, racism still isn't good and still exists in a lot if places, and I won't get offended on his behalf, but her apology means genuinely nothing, at least not to me.
Aww!! 😢
Your boyfriend is very lucky to have you in his life!
Giving you a hug as well!
“This is the flag I’m going to stand for” then proceeds to throw it on the floor, literally one of the most offensive things you could do w an American flag
As a southern blue dot in a sea of red I have had to unlearn a LOT of behaviors, unlearn a LOT the things I was taught and even things I used to say. I am lucky I have some friends who are very kind and patient to me and know me and know I would never ever try to be hurtful or disrespectful to anyone. they have answered my questions and helped me refrain some of my ways of thinking and rephrase some things I've said. I fully believe there's a difference between being hurtful and genuinely ignorant and I really appreciate you bringing that up.
Same, I grew up in the South and most of the people I knew were the most racist, homophobic, ableist people ever. Put they all raised me and I’m the most leftist person ever.
Well said
Agreed
Ignorant but well-meaning people can be reasoned with, educated and reached. Hateful people don't care about logic or emotions.
@@Aster_Risk I was genuinely so sad when I learned that some things I did were bad and immediately fixed them I'm not perfect but I am a work in progress every day
As a black person that is pansexual and has a pride flag in her living room, no I don't accept your apology
@@jadedoe9966 because there black?
@@jadedoe9966 wow your so bitter
I sleep with my asexual flag directly behind me. I actually almost cried when I got it as a gift. It was so difficult coming out. Idk how anyone can burn something like that just because she thinks her opinion is superior? Idek
@Jade Doe she literally is just stating who she is not being "woke" lmfao
@@jadedoe9966h yeah lets have them change their skin color ☠️
People saying that it's okay to misgender Trans people due to some of them committing atrocities are ridiculous to me.
If I were to say that it's okay to call a black person the N-slur because they did the same thing, people would give me a HARD side eye. Look at the Trans situation through that perspective and you immediately see the problem.
classic case of "remove the attributes and suddenly it's so simple"
So many arguments can be logically destroyed by being like "If person A touches person B without their consent, is it okay? No it's not so that means it doesn't become okay no matter what gender the people are"
It's so infuriating how illogical people are this is not that difficult of a concept
For me the only time I think it can be ok would be someone who committed crimes that the trans community are stereotyped to commit. But only because they have degraded someone with there actions and harmed the community overall. But even then I personally wouldn’t do it.
I've had this convo with ppl IRL so many times 💀 like I know she's a bitch, but her pronouns are she/her, so stop calling her by the wrong pronouns! By all means, slag her off, but do it correctly, because misgendering her isn't just an insult to her, it's a display of your character too, and disrespecting her pronouns is also disrespecting other trans people.
@@doctorwholover1012 me defending caitlyn jenner when i’m with transphobic people, just to absolutely dog on her with trans friends later lol
they also just use this as an excuse to be transphobic instead of actually talking about gun laws.
This kinda reminded me of that veteran that burned his uniform because of his treatment when he got back from service, except there’s a BIG difference; you can hear in his voice and see on his face how heartbroken he was to be betrayed and cast aside, it was such an emotional moment even for someone like me who’s not patriotic. Meanwhile this lady’s vibes just scream “look at me!”
I recommend giving the video a watch, he goes into detail about why.
I was 5 minutes into this video and thinking “wow she’s probably racist…” and then told myself “no you can’t just assume things about people based on 2 TikToks you’ve seen of them” and then hit 7:40 and wow I was right
The non-binary community is particularly intense with respecting pronouns and such because we don’t have ways of “medically transitioning” to anything outside of male or female by society standards. Sure I could go get a breast augmentation or facial feminization surgery but in reality that won’t help alleviate any nonbinary gender dysphoria for the whole community. There are nonbinary people completely comfortable with their bodies and such but simply want to be known as they, I also feel like as a nonbinary person there isn’t really a way to “pass” as such unless you have massive honkers, a mega bulge, beard and makeup on because that’s the only way you’ll confuse a typical person from society that you aren’t man or woman.
OMG THANK YOU 😭 I’m nonbinary and go by he/they pronouns born AFAB and have had people at work try to correct my coworkers for calling me he cause I haven’t done any surgeries or take T cause I just don’t feel as though it would make me feel better. Or my personal favorite I let my eyebrows grow as thick as they are and my mustache and some people would say how if I shaved it or trimmed my brows I’d look pretty
Yes! I never felt like any hormone therapy or surgery would bring my physical body closer to my non-binary identity. But I do like to do the opposite of "massive honkers, a mega bulge, beard and makeup" - flat chest, no beard, no makeup, no curves or bulges, no nothing. Feels very non-binary :)
MEGA BULGE TIME
We need eldritch horror surgeries for all the enbies
True like what do you mean I can't transition into being an abstract concept??
The fact that she called Dylan's Days of Girlhood "Shtick" was my first clue that none of what she was going to say in that "apology" video was genuine. I'm so glad she never came across my socials at all and I'm so happy to learn about all of these rage-inducing people through your incredibly smart and hilarious videos. So glad I found you!
10:37 MY PRONOUNS ARE U-S-A 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
MY PRONOUNS ARE U-S-A 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅
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@@FionaLacey-pn1me I know but like idk
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