Also can we end the hatred against stud/stud or butch/butch relationships?? Like wtf are we homophobic against ourselves now?? On another note, you've been coming out with all the hard truths lately and I love it 🔥
I don't date studs. My preference is femme women and I'm femme. So I don't think anybody should have issues with butch/butch love. There's little issue with femme/femme.
I was on a date with a femme once (I'm femme myself) and when I mentioned I thought someone (forget who it was, but was referring to a butch lesbian) was hot, the date gets the most repulsed look on her face and goes...."Ummmm, I'm a LeSssbiAn.....which means I like......wOmeNnn." Did NOT go on a second date, lol. So yes, toxic femme drag, please and thank you.
I am a man so I can’t speak for lesbians, but I find that toxic femininity job in straight culture is to perpetuate toxic masculinity. I have heard more women tell me what it means to be a man then I have heard men tell. Toxic masculinity tends to police femininity in straight culture. So I notice that in straight culture the toxicity is to enforce gender normative behavior. It sounds like maybe that’s the same with lesbian culture? Although maybe gender normative is the wrong language. I am trying to translate it for myself to the closest approximate to my experience. I know nothing is one for one.
Conrad Korbol I think that's true for straight culture. I've seen _both_ men and women say a man has to perform a specific kind of masculinity to be a "real" man. And men who are masculine tend to have this mentality that it makes them superior to men and women that perform femininity. That mentality is reinforced by both genders.
@@conradkorbol I agree that with hetero culture, toxic femininity and toxic masculinity are two sides of the same coin that reinforce one another. Interestingly enough, I think it is a little different within lesbian culture. The stigma is that butch/femme relationships are reinforcing gender stereotypes and attempting to immitate hetero gender roles. In response to this stigma and as a way of challenging the notion that homosexual relationships among women simply cannot exist unless one of them is a "man" (i.e. the masculine presenting one) and that the femme might as well date a man since they are just roleplaying anyways, I've noticed a growing push towards femme/femme relationships as a way to justify the lesbian experience. The problem with this is that it ALSO reinforces gender normative stereotypes by claiming that women can only present themselves in a certain way in order to be real women, despite that its intention is to challenge gender stereotypes.
Aww man, thats so messed up. I'm a mix of feminine and masculine but I prefer women more feminine than me. There's alot of toxicity with some femmes when it comes to butch lesbians or even lesbians that aren't hyperfemme, basically seeing them as "lesser than". Its just a different style, if youre not into it thats totally fine but what the fuck does that have to do with being a woman?. Ive also seen alot of racism in femmes, having experienced it myself as im Latina
I think the toxic masculinity convo is necessary for anyone who makes masculinity part of their expression or identity. I've seen a lot of stud lesbians who are very condescending and harass more feminine presenting women. I've witnessed trans guys be very misogynistic to cis women. I'm not in these groups myself but I'm a masculine presenting woman who has previously looked down on more feminine girls. It's an internalised idea that masculinity is superior. That's a big issue
@Kat i get it. I dont even blame you. I may "look" like a stud but i honestly dont even identify as that...My mother gave me a name and that's my identity lol I have the same gripe against bisexuals not being able to be myself around them but...big BUT im in a relationship with a bisexual femme for almost 3 years and I KNOW* I've found the right one for me lol. Date who best suits you...at the end of the day the clothes come off n we all women.
"You can be as feminine as you want, and still perpetuate toxic masculinity by disguising it as a preference... and try to maintain hetero normative and patriarchy, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! " mmmhmmm C'mon with a word, Jade!
I think masculinity is so soaked in toxicity that it’s almost impossible to embrace your masculine side without embracing the toxicity that comes along with it. I think once we break down the original foundation of what masculinity is and than rebuild it, so that it can INCLUDE healthy ways of maneuvering we will see a big change all the way around. Thanks for this conversation Jade, I’ve been a fan for a very long time. You’re incredible! ❤️
I think that people think that masculinity is all this toxic shit, but really they're just adopting toxic masculinity, not masculinity. Eg toxic masculinity is talking about women in a dehumanising and derogatory way that objectifies them. AS WELL AS talking down on all femininity as if it's something weak and stupid. Getting into a relationship and enforcing gender roles. Repressing emotions and replacing it with gruffness. -- the people who adopt traits like this aren't adopting masculinity but rather toxic masculinity. I'm more masculine then feminine in some ways - fashion and voice - but I'm one of the biggest feminists I know and I encourage and celebrate all girls and women and the entire gender expression spectrum - from very feminine, to very masculine, and all in between.
I don't get why studs treat women the way studs themselves would not want to be treated by men. Being a woman doesn't not give you the right to cat call other women or to objectify other women. Studs need to know extremely counterintuitive all that is cause honey at the end of the day the system is still gonna treat you like a black woman. We on the same boat chile😅😅
A lot of straight women believe this too. That being a woman gives them the right to abuse men. It's because of "identity politics" "because I'm a member of this supposedly oppressed group I can treat people how ever I want and still be the victim." So they end up behaving worse than their supposed oppressors and feel justified even if the other person treated them well.
@- you're making it sound like women can't do no wrong and that they're all just "pure" and "wholesome" NO, some women are actually fucking abusive and disgusting but for some reason it doesn't get the same backlash compared to how a man would
I would also like to add how classism could play a potential factor. From my experience, most studs who possess more toxic traits tend to come from working/lower class background compared to studs I've met from more upper class backgrounds. I feel like when coming from underprivileged background, you're more vulnerable to misogynoir, thus finding either liberation or shielding through the appropriation of more "masculine" traits to protect and uplift oneself. Even its toxic ones.
Yes. People subconsciously still see the rhetoric of Male White Supremacy as the ultimate place. What's better than a black woman with dark skin? A light skinned woman with curly hair. Or just a white woman. And slap on curves because she has to be appealing to the senses. Then make the stud macho as hell... it's a whole mess.
yassssssss the studs from the hood are more "diet men" than suburban raised ones but ofen with them they like their male counterparts only date non bw so theres that....i thank God im open to dating all races
She’s really preaching on the expression some of us studs take in to be accepted in certain spaces around black men. I’ve notice that since I came out in HS and start dressing like my true self. PLUS a lot of black men, will treat you weird and cast you out as an “other” because you don’t adopt this type of toxic masculinity/“play the role” with them because you’re a stud. Since I dress masculine but I’m very balanced with my femininity and masculinity, but I don’t agree with a lot of things black men say when comfortable around. They’ll then treat me weird BECAUSE I won’t “act” like them. PLUS there’s ALOT of fems who in my opinion push this narrative on us. Too many want us to have this tough guy persona like we’re not WOMEN TOO. Most say they are “attracted” to studs but they’re really attracted to the studs who display a certain persona inside of individuality.
YO!!! This was a WHOLE new perspective that I didn't think about; that escaping from the cultural role of black womanhood (aka, "the culturally oppressed ones") could be a reason for a stud embracing toxic masculinity. That... wow....
"Y'all get together & try to maintain this heteronormativity and this patriarchy which doesn't make any sense girllll because you don't benefit from it." 🗣 SPEAKKKK
Some studs see femininity as a weakness and equate masculinity with strength. Some would rather take on masculine roles to show their dominance, and it is a regional thing. On the East coast, studs want to be taken seriously and accepted, not just by women, but by men too (who may still see them as being women regardless how studs present themselves).
I want to agree with you and I do. I have been asked and criticized for dressing like a man. Then one day someone was bold enough to actually ask me why I dress like a man and why is it that when women dress like men (lesbians) they dress like baggy clothes and 'ugly' looking clothes. At first I wanted to be angry and yell at him but then I just took the opportunity to consider that he genuinely wanted to know. It's not that women want to be men it is as Jade said them escaping sexism, joining their community would excuse you from being not only a victim but just a form of self expression. The way they dress is them showing you their perception of manliness. So what they see studs, tomboys or masculine females do is really just a woman's interpretation of what it is to be a man, body language, dressing, walk, hair cut, communication and all. Also some of us actually dress well but that comes from dressing how you want to dress (no judgement). Everyone knows you wear cloths and not the clothes wear you.
also a lot to do with your financial situation lol also finding male clothing that fits properly...im more on the petite side and it took a while to find clothes that fit...it sucks but hey i recognized boys clothes is a hack for me lol
Can we talk about how Jade has been in her damn bag lately?! The content was always been great but these conversations...I feel nourished, enriched and we love to see it
Please do a femme version of this. I'm ready to get dragged! Edit: I'm looking to get into these links you were talking about. This was a great video topic.
I was just telling the last femme I talked to that she didn’t know how to apologize lol like legit would do and say disrespectful shit and then say everything BUT “I’m sorry” smh
Nicole McQueen Good for you, you met a bad person that happened to be femme? But the way you’re taking it and trying to use it to say that all femmes have issues is fucking stupid.
I’m bi I’ve been left out of the conversation so I’m not even sure if this comment will stand. However what I can say is when speaking of toxicity period we must recognize the mainstream programming that’s been running in the minds of those who are lost. This is the main issue today, no matter what or who you are masculinized or feminized both are heavily manipulated and used towards one another for self gratification reasons. This is a bigger issue in its entirety I’m glad the conversation is happening in all communities it’s time.
@Allison C i guess you could call me a stem with cursive lol. But my last gf expected meto just be this overly masculine thing and it's like GIRL..... I'm a GIRLLLLLLLLL lol
Nia Amani You can be a girl but also being masculine??? You don’t have to shame the girl for what she likes. She clearly happens to like masculine girls and you aren’t it, get over it.
I have been thinking about this for the past few days after seeing a lot of headlines and videos about studs abusing their partners and worse. The toxic masculinity comes with the obsession and possessiveness and entitlement that soooo many men act like they have. So we see all of these situations of literal physical abuse and worse but a lot of people don't take it seriously because it's two women. Now flip this to abusive femmes and you have the toxic masculinity they uphold because they want their partners to be "tough." And also physical, mental, and emotional abuse from femmes to studs but in those situations people forget that studs are women too and act like they are supposed to be tough and take it. Which is not the best line of thinking in heterosexual relationships either! Bottom line is keep ya hands off people and be nice and if you can't be nice be mean and toxic by your lonesome!
@@Noodles4Anime that's so funny bc lgbt+ black ppl have (as far as i know, and i don't know much tbh) contributed to the community way more than white ppl.
This was goody Jade. I identify as a stud and a black woman yet I never knew that the term was derived from us! The way you spoke on this topic was life. Thanks for the good content..
I feel like a lot of toxic femininity is split between 50s housewife stuff, and TERFs. But again just my experience, everyone else please chime in if you want.
@@ladyredl3210 - good point! I am also thinking about the idea of subscribing to hetero gender roles as was often done in the 40s, one partner covering the role of the "provider" and the other the "homemaker", wearing a dress and suit at their wedding, calling themselves a top and bottom, etc. (ie, the "Who's the man in the relationship??" conversation) These things are not negative in and of themselves, but they can solidify the standard that all relationships must be a certain way, so visibility of relationships that simply look different is very important for awareness. "Two women in a relationship who don't express their gender in a polarized way, who don't identify with a certain label?! How would that even work?" 😂😅
@N are you okay man? You really seem to be putting a lot of effort in trying to get a rise out of people, that's not a healthy coping mechanism. You deserve better than flame wars
I love your perception on stud reasoning. As in the meaning behind why they are why they are. Like I never knew how to put that thought into words but you have. Thanks Jade😊. Your take on toxic studs and their attempt on gaining patriarchal privilege by behaving/ disguising as male is really riveting. Great stuff Jade! Thank you🙌🏿
I love when you talk about serious stuff. I don’t see myself as a stud even though I’m more “masculine-looking” just because I don’t want to be associated with the toxic studs. I’m glad that you addressed this topic, I thought I was the only one having the same thoughts as you 😌
Same. I have locs and dress "masculine" cause it's my preference, comfort-wise. And seeing how locs is a more common style now, it's become a thing where I see the post "studs with locs are toxic" more and more.
Jade, you stay on point with very thoughtful analysis and I appreciate it cursive-stud sis❤️❤️❤️. I feel like it's so ingrained in our community. We refuse to even come close to dealing with sexism and homophobia in our community. And if one of us calls it out (almost perfect example of J. Cole/noname situation), we're criticized as "talking down on our own". The whole thing gets turned around and the actual issue is ignored again, because we're gaslighting each other into thinking women's issues and LGBT+ issues are completely irrelevant compared to issues of race. When nothing could be further from the truth.
Thank you! My ex was a stud and she was extremely controlling. She had it in her head that since she was a stud, she couldn't wear women's clothing or act too feminine in any way, and she forced me to be more feminine than I felt comfortable being, because in her head, I had to be a "femme" even though I didn't identify that way. I knew she had a lot of internalized homophobia but I didn't know how to tell her that. She even threw out some of my clothing because it was menswear and she said it was "unflattering". I'm sort of more in the middle as far as gender expression. I remember telling her I thought I wanted to explore being a drag king. That was a big no.
She sounds like an insecure, ignorant prick. Basicslly just trying to replicate toxic heteronormative ideals. I've met s few insecure gay women like this, it's sad but they've just internalised a lot of the misogyny they see and experience
I had no idea STUD was a racial specific term. I totally thought it was just the dapper side of butch. Intrigue. I also find it interesting that gay men identifying classify themselves by body type and gay women identifying classify themselves by style and personality.
bxfb bxcbxc But stud and butch aren’t so different from some each other.To straight people’s point of you they all look the same. Just like ever straight person thinks all gay men are fem/drag queen types and don’t acknowledge that masc gay men exist.
Yeah no one talks about this. Almost every den I’ve dated wanted me to have this overly masculine “bad boy” persona. None of them could except that I had a balance of both energies, I couldn’t show any emotion or I was a “bitch”.
@@TT-xz5sy just keep being you, as long as you walk your truth, if whoever's ur dating wants you to be something that ur not, then leave th immediately.
Thank you for touching on this 💕✨ I was wondering when someone was going to talk about it. I always noticed that there’s a a lot of studs in the black community and when you look outside of other communities you see that there are definitely more femmes and I think it has to do with the environment ; if you live in the hood I think it’s hard to perform femininity and also not be accessible to men.
@@Twelly93 I'm from the hood. Don't assume we're all the same. It's classiest and doesn't improve are material condition. Not sorry if my hoodness offends you.
@@karminyates3261 I said "tend" to show it wasn't everyone. Also I never said the aggression I noticed was offensive just expressing what I observed and why it may be the case
I love how you delved into this topic. I have a friend who is the poster child for toxic masculinity in studs and I never fully understood. I took certain aspects of her life into consideration and just lumped it as “that’s just how she is” but this was beautifully stated, makes so much sense, and gives me a lot to think about with my relationship with studs as a fem.
Feels like there's a complicated line here. I don't disagree that many people refine or modulate their flavor of masculinity in order to better put up a protective shield (against structurally oppressive forces), but for many, masculinity itself is not a conscious or unconscious strategy. It is just who they are. As long as we have notions of "femininity" and "masculinity," defined socially, aesthetically, and behaviorally, there will be people who organically align with one or the other, at the level of personality. And anecdotally, I think many GNC women who end up benefitting from some fraction of "male privilege" had an acute sense of gendered difference starting nearly from early childhood, and see their masculinity as integral to who they are.
What a great discussion Jade, more of this please! Also, there are fems that definitely feed into this nonsense. I'm what I guess would be considered a stem but was more masculine than my ex and she looked at me as the "man" in the relationship. So she had certain expectations behind that and I wouldn't be surprised if some studs are hyper masculine because it's what the women they are into want. Our experience as black women is so nuanced and I feel like this conversation could truly take up more than one video. I would love if it was extended to maybe Arrows and Amber and other masculine presenting women of color.
Jade! This is my favorite video of all time. What’s crazy is I just finished reading a chapter from Audre Lorde Where she discusses sadomasochism in the lesbian community and how detrimental it can be to our society. I loved your perspective because you touched on the strategic alignment that some States have with toxic masculinity but it’s important that you say toxic because it can be done in a healthy way but sometimes it’s displayed in a way that can be violent and unnecessary especially because it’s about this Dominant submissive role
This is why I love reading this is why I love the style community this is why I fucks with being black this is why it’s so important for creators to share their thought processes because the consciousness of us all is incredibly intertwined. With this video perhaps you inspired a person a woman who may display some of these toxic traits to question their selves and askThemselves why
I'm from Boston and recently moved to Atlanta. Dating studs here is rough because of everything you stated in this video! Studs in Atlanta are a different breed.
Girl yasss ik one who dogs women so bad I asked her girl you sure you really gay she got mad ...think about it ..there are straight menses who dig women out so bad you wonder if they really like other men so why couldn't it be the same for some studs they really straight but I'm denial and take it out on fems
This was such a good video, Jade! I dated a stud with these ideologies that really put me off over time. It was as though they wanted me to fit their Femme-fantasy that I'm just not. Your video definitely shines a perspective and even more clarity on it. I'm looking forward for the Femmes, or us in between, to get dragged too!
This is right on point- so good I watched it twice. I'm a literature teacher and use a collection of music videos, including some Young MA videos, in a gender and sexuality unit to talk about toxic masculinity and internalised misogyny. Time and again, this reference to Young MA and other women performing toxic masculinity is what gets the lights to come on about the difficulties of managing intersectionality, the choices people make to seek protection, or as you said, to get a feeling of "emancipation". All of this is in the wider context of, as you said, how "toxic masculinity is celebrated". I agree with you that the point is not to take down or mock toxic studs, but to understand the complexity behind it (homophobia, misogyny, racism) and see it as another manifestation of a system designed to oppress certain groups who then have to use unhealthy coping mechanisms. And now I'm off to just go binge on your videos.
Thank you so much for talking about this!! I've definitely noticed there is a cultural/regional aspect to it, I used to live in a rural area and there was so much more pressure to fill traditional, heterosexual gender roles for lesbians, to make our relationships more palatable/understandable to the rest of the (overwhelmingly straight) community. As a fem who is more often attracted to other fems, it took me moving to a big, liberal city to figure out that that kind of relationship was even an possible, and to be able to experience a gay relationship that didn't have the same toxic power dynamic that accompanies toxic masculinity/femininity.
I think your explanation of why some studs are toxic is perfect. When I was a stud (I'm ftm) I always wanted to be the opposite of toxic. I thought if I could treat a girl with all the love and respect my mom deserves, then I'm a better choice than some dude. And bc of that, I've always been seen as "soft" or not a man, and generally don't fit in well in black communities
Jade thank you for being a source of great educational content. As an Asian gay, there isnt a lot of representation or education I can find for my kind. I have been guilty of only watching white youtubers, I was not even aware of the divide ... you bring so much light and I just want to thank you for your amazing content. You have inspired me
I told u before I’m not gay or lesbian but I’m black & ur personality is awesome so I’ve followed u for years because ur intelligence is needed .ur experience is important ur honesty is appreciated & inside ur head is a cool place & I like to hear it so yea I learned something..kno a few studs can’t ask certain things because I’m not a douche but u clear everything up for me so thanks for opening my mind to this train of thought 💜
Preachhhh! I dont consider myself a fem for a lot of the reasons u mentioned about them holding fragile masculinity and calling it a preference, I'm so over gender role and heteronormativity
Something funny is i didn't know stud was a term for black masc women, and i have only ever referred to them as studs. never in my life called a white Butch a stud bc it just doesn't fit 😂
I still remember when in my conservative town i met that girl. I was like "yeah a fellow lesbian" and then she start talking bad about fem girls, she was even homophobic to gay men. 🤢🤢
found you through rose and rosie's video. You are awesome, and it sucks that the algorithm has it so i never found you sooner. i feel like you're channel reminds me a lot of tiffany ferg in how you're both very self-aware intelligent individuals that analyze the internet and culture in ways I never would have thought of. You guys should collab i feel your energys would compliment each other so well.
Excellent video topic, mate. Very interesting perspective. In my experience of being out and masculine presenting, I never realized we had privileges to start off with. In my experience, being a stud made you a target by men and woman, and makes your life harder than most other folk. Men keep testing you about how masculine you are or keep trying to convert you. Woman have these weird expectations about you when it comes to sex and relationships.Being a gay woman is truly a unique way of experiencing the world, and has its own set of issues most other will not experience. I'm glad i found your video. Cant wait for part 2. Cheers.
Ah it's so refreshing to hear fresh takes on stuff. I haven't thought about this topic through your perspective as a white bi girl. Also off-topic but I really like the fonts you use, I appreciate a nice font. OK that's all.
Glad you're sparking these conversations! Soo important for us to continue deconstructing and demolishing all of these negative traits tied in with masculinity. As someone else in the comments said, we need to build up different, healthy definitions of what masculinity can mean and strive towards that.
Thanks for the video, jade! I found your channel from Rose and Rosie’s video about the video you made about the racial divide between lesbian youtubers and I’m really glad I found you.
As a 29 year old cis white woman, I realized I was asexual after college. I’m more knowledgeable about ace terms but I just recently realized that romantically I prefer women. So your video is really helping me to define some terms that I’m embarrassed to admit I didn’t know!
Was looking for that "not all studs" comment. Haven't seen it, Hope I don't. This is a very important conversation, it's one think to express masculine traits, but less not copy the negatives fam.
Fuck I am so happy I watched your Race Issue between White/Black lesbian YTers, NOW youtube is finally recommending your videos to me and I see this gem of a video and opened my damn eyes to shit I've been thinking about but never heard people really talk about. Subbed now and gonna catch up on what i've been missing!
from what I've seen (in videos of this kind) being black is very tough BUT being a black woman, AND A LESBIAN must be the toughest one. Ive seen people repidetly say being a black woman is the hardest and i agree, there is colorism in their own community against them, so many stereotypes, racism, sexism and with studs you need to have Homophobia there too? that horrible and honestly i kinda understand toxic behaviour when the world is against you...
Still waiting on those links. I'm an older lesbian who was brought up in stud/femme culture and it has never worked for me. I am unashamedly a dominant femme which puts me at odds with toxic studs. I'd love to hear more about studs who embrace being "submissive" or "soft".
There is no stud from 1970 to give them proper representation today. They are looking at toxic men and continuing the cycle. So, someone has to give studs positive roles to follow. We can follow to be a women or a man because it has been shown since the beginning of time. But this is something fairly new but not new. Only new because it is becoming more mainstream in a negative way. Love who you love. It's all good with me.
So thoughtful. I love you channel!! Agreed!! The having to fit into a butch/stud or femme space to be lesbian for decades only perpetuated what is gross about the binary, the patriarchy and everything heteronormative. Masculinity is absolutely a defence mechanism for many. And perpetuates that masculinity is more powerful. 38, white, baby gay (came out a year ago) and my personal identity fluctuates from just femme of neutral (most of the time) to just masculine of neutral. Thank you Jade.
this video left me with more questions than i had before and i think that's a good things. topics like this should be discussed openly and controversely so we can move on as a culture/group within the LGBTQ+ community
I'm a black man with a black woman. And she and I discussed this topic all the time. But I will say that you are the most articulated and informative person to discuss this. And I find your take on this very fascinating.
This is interesting to think about especially with instances where studs in the media HAVE been sexualized still. For example, Young MA and Kodak Black.
i feel like when experimenting with masculinity it’s very easy to fall into a toxic mindset and think that being misogynistic is a way of achieving it. not only does this happen with studs, as in a lot of transmacline circles toxic masculinity is a problem. A lot of young trans men believe denouncing women and feminine trans men is a way to achieve said masculinity. it’s a very easy thing to fall into, glad i was able to avoid it whilst discovering myself. love this video
I clicked on this video thinking we were gonna be shitting on f*ckbois. Was so confused for like the first 3 minutes, but I stayed, I was educated, and I'm subscribed now. As a black woman myself I feel a little ashamed that I was completely ignorant to this side of our community, but sis I'm here to stay, to be educated, and to understanding more of the lives and experiences of my fellow sisters ✊🏽
Also can we end the hatred against stud/stud or butch/butch relationships?? Like wtf are we homophobic against ourselves now?? On another note, you've been coming out with all the hard truths lately and I love it 🔥
I'm here for any and all pairings! Studs and butches should be able to date whoever.
Facts. It’s crazy.
Word, all this petty shit gotta end ♥️
I don't date studs. My preference is femme women and I'm femme. So I don't think anybody should have issues with butch/butch love. There's little issue with femme/femme.
@@VaporRize08 agree. Although I'll never not date someone because of butches/stems identify.
I was on a date with a femme once (I'm femme myself) and when I mentioned I thought someone (forget who it was, but was referring to a butch lesbian) was hot, the date gets the most repulsed look on her face and goes...."Ummmm, I'm a LeSssbiAn.....which means I like......wOmeNnn." Did NOT go on a second date, lol.
So yes, toxic femme drag, please and thank you.
I am a man so I can’t speak for lesbians, but I find that toxic femininity job in straight culture is to perpetuate toxic masculinity.
I have heard more women tell me what it means to be a man then I have heard men tell. Toxic masculinity tends to police femininity in straight culture.
So I notice that in straight culture the toxicity is to enforce gender normative behavior.
It sounds like maybe that’s the same with lesbian culture? Although maybe gender normative is the wrong language. I am trying to translate it for myself to the closest approximate to my experience. I know nothing is one for one.
Conrad Korbol I think that's true for straight culture. I've seen _both_ men and women say a man has to perform a specific kind of masculinity to be a "real" man. And men who are masculine tend to have this mentality that it makes them superior to men and women that perform femininity. That mentality is reinforced by both genders.
@@conradkorbol I agree that with hetero culture, toxic femininity and toxic masculinity are two sides of the same coin that reinforce one another. Interestingly enough, I think it is a little different within lesbian culture. The stigma is that butch/femme relationships are reinforcing gender stereotypes and attempting to immitate hetero gender roles.
In response to this stigma and as a way of challenging the notion that homosexual relationships among women simply cannot exist unless one of them is a "man" (i.e. the masculine presenting one) and that the femme might as well date a man since they are just roleplaying anyways, I've noticed a growing push towards femme/femme relationships as a way to justify the lesbian experience.
The problem with this is that it ALSO reinforces gender normative stereotypes by claiming that women can only present themselves in a certain way in order to be real women, despite that its intention is to challenge gender stereotypes.
Aww man, thats so messed up. I'm a mix of feminine and masculine but I prefer women more feminine than me. There's alot of toxicity with some femmes when it comes to butch lesbians or even lesbians that aren't hyperfemme, basically seeing them as "lesser than". Its just a different style, if youre not into it thats totally fine but what the fuck does that have to do with being a woman?. Ive also seen alot of racism in femmes, having experienced it myself as im Latina
@@conradkorbol The whole height thing in straight girls is super weird.
I think the toxic masculinity convo is necessary for anyone who makes masculinity part of their expression or identity. I've seen a lot of stud lesbians who are very condescending and harass more feminine presenting women. I've witnessed trans guys be very misogynistic to cis women. I'm not in these groups myself but I'm a masculine presenting woman who has previously looked down on more feminine girls. It's an internalised idea that masculinity is superior. That's a big issue
well said!
I've had many issues with masculine presenting folk not recognizing their role in toxic masculinity.
Very well said.
@Kat i get it. I dont even blame you. I may "look" like a stud but i honestly dont even identify as that...My mother gave me a name and that's my identity lol I have the same gripe against bisexuals not being able to be myself around them but...big BUT im in a relationship with a bisexual femme for almost 3 years and I KNOW* I've found the right one for me lol. Date who best suits you...at the end of the day the clothes come off n we all women.
Great point!
"You can be as feminine as you want, and still perpetuate toxic masculinity by disguising it as a preference... and try to maintain hetero normative and patriarchy, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! " mmmhmmm C'mon with a word, Jade!
Hello!! She better preach!
It's real talk🤞🏽💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
"And about sports bra culture" i had to yell shut up 1 min in bc im already being attacked lmao
wheres the links btw i do want to read though
LMFAO 🤣 same omg
@inSherlock same
I’m stud but a stud in cursive. -Jade 2020
Put it on a 👕
almond milk stud
Son that’s shit had me ☠️🤣🤣🤣
Lmaoo I'm stealing this.
Doberman. Energy.
Dead. 💀
And I'm stealing.
Right!? Sis had me laughing!
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Stud with almond milk 😂
😂😂😂
Stud in cursive 😂😂😂
Lol I was like why does that make sense haha
😂😂😂😂
Lol cannot wait for the femme version. This was a very nice discussion
I think masculinity is so soaked in toxicity that it’s almost impossible to embrace your masculine side without embracing the toxicity that comes along with it. I think once we break down the original foundation of what masculinity is and than rebuild it, so that it can INCLUDE healthy ways of maneuvering we will see a big change all the way around. Thanks for this conversation Jade, I’ve been a fan for a very long time. You’re incredible! ❤️
This comment! 💕 Very well stated. I agree:)
Yes. YES. Exactly! Thank you for this comment!
Frieda Livery Always❤️❤️
I think that people think that masculinity is all this toxic shit, but really they're just adopting toxic masculinity, not masculinity. Eg toxic masculinity is talking about women in a dehumanising and derogatory way that objectifies them. AS WELL AS talking down on all femininity as if it's something weak and stupid. Getting into a relationship and enforcing gender roles. Repressing emotions and replacing it with gruffness. -- the people who adopt traits like this aren't adopting masculinity but rather toxic masculinity. I'm more masculine then feminine in some ways - fashion and voice - but I'm one of the biggest feminists I know and I encourage and celebrate all girls and women and the entire gender expression spectrum - from very feminine, to very masculine, and all in between.
This is so well stated. 👏🏾
I don't get why studs treat women the way studs themselves would not want to be treated by men. Being a woman doesn't not give you the right to cat call other women or to objectify other women. Studs need to know extremely counterintuitive all that is cause honey at the end of the day the system is still gonna treat you like a black woman. We on the same boat chile😅😅
Mazvita Selemani lol society doesn’t treat us the same. Trust and believe we have nigga issues 😭
I wish a stud cat called me. Only men cat call me, and it pisses me off.
A lot of straight women believe this too. That being a woman gives them the right to abuse men. It's because of "identity politics" "because I'm a member of this supposedly oppressed group I can treat people how ever I want and still be the victim." So they end up behaving worse than their supposed oppressors and feel justified even if the other person treated them well.
@- you're making it sound like women can't do no wrong and that they're all just "pure" and "wholesome" NO, some women are actually fucking abusive and disgusting but for some reason it doesn't get the same backlash compared to how a man would
@@darknight2354 everyone sucks
On a side note, I would love a Jade's Best Stud Jokes complication 😂
*clicks pen*
Issa Multifandomed same😂
This should totally be a thing please
My exact thoughts when I saw the title🤣
Yesss! This!
I would also like to add how classism could play a potential factor. From my experience, most studs who possess more toxic traits tend to come from working/lower class background compared to studs I've met from more upper class backgrounds. I feel like when coming from underprivileged background, you're more vulnerable to misogynoir, thus finding either liberation or shielding through the appropriation of more "masculine" traits to protect and uplift oneself. Even its toxic ones.
Yes. People subconsciously still see the rhetoric of Male White Supremacy as the ultimate place. What's better than a black woman with dark skin? A light skinned woman with curly hair. Or just a white woman. And slap on curves because she has to be appealing to the senses. Then make the stud macho as hell... it's a whole mess.
I completely agree, class is a big factor people forget, which goes hand in hand with location/environment factor that Jade touched on.
I wonder if the toxic masculinity just looks different in ppl from different socioeconomic backgrounds
yassssssss the studs from the hood are more "diet men" than suburban raised ones but ofen with them they like their male counterparts only date non bw so theres that....i thank God im open to dating all races
She’s really preaching on the expression some of us studs take in to be accepted in certain spaces around black men. I’ve notice that since I came out in HS and start dressing like my true self. PLUS a lot of black men, will treat you weird and cast you out as an “other” because you don’t adopt this type of toxic masculinity/“play the role” with them because you’re a stud. Since I dress masculine but I’m very balanced with my femininity and masculinity, but I don’t agree with a lot of things black men say when comfortable around. They’ll then treat me weird BECAUSE I won’t “act” like them. PLUS there’s ALOT of fems who in my opinion push this narrative on us. Too many want us to have this tough guy persona like we’re not WOMEN TOO. Most say they are “attracted” to studs but they’re really attracted to the studs who display a certain persona inside of individuality.
*comfortable around me.
*instead
Hella Facts
Facts. I’ve had men say something like “you acting like a girl”....I be like I am a girl and they go “you know what I mean”....um no sir I don’t.
I agree with what you're saying, but I LOVE a balanced female...I am attracted to masculine women but WOMEN....if that makes sense?
The way Jade been eating up the girls lately.....lord 😭
YO!!! This was a WHOLE new perspective that I didn't think about; that escaping from the cultural role of black womanhood (aka, "the culturally oppressed ones") could be a reason for a stud embracing toxic masculinity. That... wow....
"Y'all get together & try to maintain this heteronormativity and this patriarchy which doesn't make any sense girllll because you don't benefit from it." 🗣 SPEAKKKK
💯💯💯
Some studs see femininity as a weakness and equate masculinity with strength. Some would rather take on masculine roles to show their dominance, and it is a regional thing. On the East coast, studs want to be taken seriously and accepted, not just by women, but by men too (who may still see them as being women regardless how studs present themselves).
I want to agree with you and I do. I have been asked and criticized for dressing like a man. Then one day someone was bold enough to actually ask me why I dress like a man and why is it that when women dress like men (lesbians) they dress like baggy clothes and 'ugly' looking clothes.
At first I wanted to be angry and yell at him but then I just took the opportunity to consider that he genuinely wanted to know. It's not that women want to be men it is as Jade said them escaping sexism, joining their community would excuse you from being not only a victim but just a form of self expression. The way they dress is them showing you their perception of manliness. So what they see studs, tomboys or masculine females do is really just a woman's interpretation of what it is to be a man, body language, dressing, walk, hair cut, communication and all.
Also some of us actually dress well but that comes from dressing how you want to dress (no judgement). Everyone knows you wear cloths and not the clothes wear you.
you get it
@@iamjadefox I live it.
also a lot to do with your financial situation lol also finding male clothing that fits properly...im more on the petite side and it took a while to find clothes that fit...it sucks but hey i recognized boys clothes is a hack for me lol
“Whatchyall really want” DMX voice TOOK ME OUT! 😂😂😂😂😂
I swear🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can we talk about how Jade has been in her damn bag lately?! The content was always been great but these conversations...I feel nourished, enriched and we love to see it
“Doberman energy” made me snort water up my nose oh my god it hurts
The conversation around toxic masculinity and toxic femininity in our community is a discussion Im glad we’re having
So far we have stud with fabric softener, zero calorie stud and now stud with almond milk? I can’t, goodnight 😂✌🏾
😂😂 can't forget about the stud in cursive
Please do a femme version of this. I'm ready to get dragged!
Edit: I'm looking to get into these links you were talking about. This was a great video topic.
I was just telling the last femme I talked to that she didn’t know how to apologize lol like legit would do and say disrespectful shit and then say everything BUT “I’m sorry” smh
Same!! Aha
Ooooh yeah, I want to see what behaviors we as femmes need to work out.
Nicole McQueen Good for you, you met a bad person that happened to be femme? But the way you’re taking it and trying to use it to say that all femmes have issues is fucking stupid.
Yeah, as a femme myself, same. lol Like, some femmes can be just as toxic as masc presenting sapphics.
I’m bi I’ve been left out of the conversation so I’m not even sure if this comment will stand. However what I can say is when speaking of toxicity period we must recognize the mainstream programming that’s been running in the minds of those who are lost. This is the main issue today, no matter what or who you are masculinized or feminized both are heavily manipulated and used towards one another for self gratification reasons. This is a bigger issue in its entirety I’m glad the conversation is happening in all communities it’s time.
thank you for this note, i agree. def going to go more into that in the next one.
I agree with what you said BUT haven’t you been left out because the convos about lesbians.
@@mackay4908 Bisexual studs do exist and femmes are sometimes bisexual. They do end up dating or in relationships.
Siramad Backwards studs apply to lesbians....not bisexuals
@@amaris5 NO. Fems are Lesbian. Like Butch. Bisexuals can NOT be Femme. They are just féminine.
PLEASE DO TOXIC FEMS PLLLLEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE!
@Allison C i guess you could call me a stem with cursive lol. But my last gf expected meto just be this overly masculine thing and it's like GIRL..... I'm a GIRLLLLLLLLL lol
@@TheNial120 same but im a stud
Nia Amani You can be a girl but also being masculine??? You don’t have to shame the girl for what she likes. She clearly happens to like masculine girls and you aren’t it, get over it.
@@lalaishappyyy She ain't shaming her tho. She's just the girl tries to force her into something she not.
I have been thinking about this for the past few days after seeing a lot of headlines and videos about studs abusing their partners and worse. The toxic masculinity comes with the obsession and possessiveness and entitlement that soooo many men act like they have. So we see all of these situations of literal physical abuse and worse but a lot of people don't take it seriously because it's two women. Now flip this to abusive femmes and you have the toxic masculinity they uphold because they want their partners to be "tough." And also physical, mental, and emotional abuse from femmes to studs but in those situations people forget that studs are women too and act like they are supposed to be tough and take it. Which is not the best line of thinking in heterosexual relationships either! Bottom line is keep ya hands off people and be nice and if you can't be nice be mean and toxic by your lonesome!
You preach😌.
Fun fact Butch and fem as words came from black lesbians too.Chapter one in the book "we can't have nice things"
Not surprised! By Who?
really
I both do and don’t believe you. Source?
And yet they are still people in the black community saying bullshit like "LGBT+ is just a white thing pushed onto black people to ruin us."
Sigh.. 🙄
@@Noodles4Anime that's so funny bc lgbt+ black ppl have (as far as i know, and i don't know much tbh) contributed to the community way more than white ppl.
This was goody Jade. I identify as a stud and a black woman yet I never knew that the term was derived from us! The way you spoke on this topic was life. Thanks for the good content..
this is a super interesting video, shedding light on things that basically never get talked about. always love your content ❤️
Hi Keara love your videos! Glad to see wlw creators watching and supporting each other!
I vibe with stud in cursive!!!
I would love a toxic fem vid
me too!
I feel like a lot of toxic femininity is split between 50s housewife stuff, and TERFs. But again just my experience, everyone else please chime in if you want.
@@ladyredl3210 - good point! I am also thinking about the idea of subscribing to hetero gender roles as was often done in the 40s, one partner covering the role of the "provider" and the other the "homemaker", wearing a dress and suit at their wedding, calling themselves a top and bottom, etc. (ie, the "Who's the man in the relationship??" conversation)
These things are not negative in and of themselves, but they can solidify the standard that all relationships must be a certain way, so visibility of relationships that simply look different is very important for awareness. "Two women in a relationship who don't express their gender in a polarized way, who don't identify with a certain label?! How would that even work?" 😂😅
@@ajujuadoidoi exactly
@N are you okay man? You really seem to be putting a lot of effort in trying to get a rise out of people, that's not a healthy coping mechanism. You deserve better than flame wars
I love your perception on stud reasoning. As in the meaning behind why they are why they are. Like I never knew how to put that thought into words but you have. Thanks Jade😊. Your take on toxic studs and their attempt on gaining patriarchal privilege by behaving/ disguising as male is really riveting. Great stuff Jade! Thank you🙌🏿
You should address colorism in the LGBTQ community
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Yessss i remember watching this one tik tok where a stud said she only or prefers dating light skins and i was just like: so um we finna unfollow
👏🏽
Yes!
Trust
I love when you talk about serious stuff. I don’t see myself as a stud even though I’m more “masculine-looking” just because I don’t want to be associated with the toxic studs. I’m glad that you addressed this topic, I thought I was the only one having the same thoughts as you 😌
Same. I have locs and dress "masculine" cause it's my preference, comfort-wise. And seeing how locs is a more common style now, it's become a thing where I see the post "studs with locs are toxic" more and more.
Nah same. I’m pretty masculine, but I won’t identify as a stud cause it seems like it comes with this whole attitude that’s 🥴
Jade, you stay on point with very thoughtful analysis and I appreciate it cursive-stud sis❤️❤️❤️. I feel like it's so ingrained in our community. We refuse to even come close to dealing with sexism and homophobia in our community. And if one of us calls it out (almost perfect example of J. Cole/noname situation), we're criticized as "talking down on our own". The whole thing gets turned around and the actual issue is ignored again, because we're gaslighting each other into thinking women's issues and LGBT+ issues are completely irrelevant compared to issues of race. When nothing could be further from the truth.
2 years later and UA-cam recommended this when i needed it most.
Stud in cursive 😭😭
“I don’t know if your zumiez bandana is just cuttin off too much circulation up near the top bun” 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Studs typically emulate the worst representations of black men
Most Black men represent themselves bad.
Been saying this for years. Some studs are so sweet and others grab the worst, most disgusting traits in men and internalize it into their being.
Thank you! My ex was a stud and she was extremely controlling. She had it in her head that since she was a stud, she couldn't wear women's clothing or act too feminine in any way, and she forced me to be more feminine than I felt comfortable being, because in her head, I had to be a "femme" even though I didn't identify that way. I knew she had a lot of internalized homophobia but I didn't know how to tell her that. She even threw out some of my clothing because it was menswear and she said it was "unflattering". I'm sort of more in the middle as far as gender expression. I remember telling her I thought I wanted to explore being a drag king. That was a big no.
She wasn't wrong.
That is crazy ! I am more of stem then stud because I still like men’s and women’s wear.
Wow, I'm sorry you went throught that, she was really abusive
You deserved better than that
internalised misoginy.
She sounds like an insecure, ignorant prick. Basicslly just trying to replicate toxic heteronormative ideals. I've met s few insecure gay women like this, it's sad but they've just internalised a lot of the misogyny they see and experience
She was abusive!
I had no idea STUD was a racial specific term. I totally thought it was just the dapper side of butch. Intrigue.
I also find it interesting that gay men identifying classify themselves by body type and gay women identifying classify themselves by style and personality.
Gay guys classify by body type?
Is it like twink=skinny/petite
Otter is medium
And Bear is lumberjack?
As a 110lb, ultra marathoner lesbian, not exactly...generalizations don't look good on anyone bb
It's not.
bxfb bxcbxc But stud and butch aren’t so different from some each other.To straight people’s point of you they all look the same. Just like ever straight person thinks all gay men are fem/drag queen types and don’t acknowledge that masc gay men exist.
I never knew it was a race thing either
The way some toxic femmes want you to actually just be a man. Please date men if you want men!
Can you please explain your claim more? I am generally curious because no one talks about what us femmes need to do.
Yeah no one talks about this. Almost every den I’ve dated wanted me to have this overly masculine “bad boy” persona. None of them could except that I had a balance of both energies, I couldn’t show any emotion or I was a “bitch”.
@@TT-xz5sy just keep being you, as long as you walk your truth, if whoever's ur dating wants you to be something that ur not, then leave th immediately.
@@TT-xz5sy I totally agree with you, that’s why I say I am stem instead of stud. I feel sorry for men and studs.
Thank you for touching on this 💕✨ I was wondering when someone was going to talk about it. I always noticed that there’s a a lot of studs in the black community and when you look outside of other communities you see that there are definitely more femmes and I think it has to do with the environment ; if you live in the hood I think it’s hard to perform femininity and also not be accessible to men.
I agree. All people of lower classes tend to come off more aggressive in my opinion. I grew up middle class and have always noticed the difference
@@Twelly93 It's not every hood person be mindful of that.
@@Twelly93 I'm from the hood. Don't assume we're all the same. It's classiest and doesn't improve are material condition. Not sorry if my hoodness offends you.
@@amaris5 yeah I know. That's why I said "tend" to show that it wasn't an absolute
@@karminyates3261 I said "tend" to show it wasn't everyone. Also I never said the aggression I noticed was offensive just expressing what I observed and why it may be the case
I'm a straight married old head. I just wanted to peek my head in and say I love your channel and perspective. Keep it up boo!!
I love how you delved into this topic. I have a friend who is the poster child for toxic masculinity in studs and I never fully understood. I took certain aspects of her life into consideration and just lumped it as “that’s just how she is” but this was beautifully stated, makes so much sense, and gives me a lot to think about with my relationship with studs as a fem.
Feels like there's a complicated line here. I don't disagree that many people refine or modulate their flavor of masculinity in order to better put up a protective shield (against structurally oppressive forces), but for many, masculinity itself is not a conscious or unconscious strategy. It is just who they are. As long as we have notions of "femininity" and "masculinity," defined socially, aesthetically, and behaviorally, there will be people who organically align with one or the other, at the level of personality. And anecdotally, I think many GNC women who end up benefitting from some fraction of "male privilege" had an acute sense of gendered difference starting nearly from early childhood, and see their masculinity as integral to who they are.
I sometimes get the feeling that our communities tend to reproduce gender roles that are even more rigid than in the straight world.
facts
💯. It's because they can customize to fit their ideas of an ideal gender role. It's unfortunate.
"Doberman Energy..." 🤔🤔🤔😅😅😅🤣
What a great discussion Jade, more of this please! Also, there are fems that definitely feed into this nonsense. I'm what I guess would be considered a stem but was more masculine than my ex and she looked at me as the "man" in the relationship. So she had certain expectations behind that and I wouldn't be surprised if some studs are hyper masculine because it's what the women they are into want. Our experience as black women is so nuanced and I feel like this conversation could truly take up more than one video. I would love if it was extended to maybe Arrows and Amber and other masculine presenting women of color.
Jade! This is my favorite video of all time. What’s crazy is I just finished reading a chapter from Audre Lorde Where she discusses sadomasochism in the lesbian community and how detrimental it can be to our society. I loved your perspective because you touched on the strategic alignment that some States have with toxic masculinity but it’s important that you say toxic because it can be done in a healthy way but sometimes it’s displayed in a way that can be violent and unnecessary especially because it’s about this
Dominant submissive role
This is why I love reading this is why I love the style community this is why I fucks with being black this is why it’s so important for creators to share their thought processes because the consciousness of us all is incredibly intertwined. With this video perhaps you inspired a person a woman who may display some of these toxic traits to question their selves and askThemselves why
What chapter did that book come from? Sounds hella interesting
I'm from Boston and recently moved to Atlanta. Dating studs here is rough because of everything you stated in this video! Studs in Atlanta are a different breed.
Alyasia Turner talked to an atl stud once and bruh...never again LMAO
August Renée please spill👀
I used to be HARD UP identifying as stud just to identify with something , then I moved to ATL 😩 lmaoo i said ohhhhh these stud studs , ima head out.
Girl yasss ik one who dogs women so bad I asked her girl you sure you really gay she got mad ...think about it ..there are straight menses who dig women out so bad you wonder if they really like other men so why couldn't it be the same for some studs they really straight but I'm denial and take it out on fems
This was such a good video, Jade! I dated a stud with these ideologies that really put me off over time. It was as though they wanted me to fit their Femme-fantasy that I'm just not. Your video definitely shines a perspective and even more clarity on it. I'm looking forward for the Femmes, or us in between, to get dragged too!
This is right on point- so good I watched it twice. I'm a literature teacher and use a collection of music videos, including some Young MA videos, in a gender and sexuality unit to talk about toxic masculinity and internalised misogyny. Time and again, this reference to Young MA and other women performing toxic masculinity is what gets the lights to come on about the difficulties of managing intersectionality, the choices people make to seek protection, or as you said, to get a feeling of "emancipation". All of this is in the wider context of, as you said, how "toxic masculinity is celebrated". I agree with you that the point is not to take down or mock toxic studs, but to understand the complexity behind it (homophobia, misogyny, racism) and see it as another manifestation of a system designed to oppress certain groups who then have to use unhealthy coping mechanisms. And now I'm off to just go binge on your videos.
Thank you so much for talking about this!! I've definitely noticed there is a cultural/regional aspect to it, I used to live in a rural area and there was so much more pressure to fill traditional, heterosexual gender roles for lesbians, to make our relationships more palatable/understandable to the rest of the (overwhelmingly straight) community. As a fem who is more often attracted to other fems, it took me moving to a big, liberal city to figure out that that kind of relationship was even an possible, and to be able to experience a gay relationship that didn't have the same toxic power dynamic that accompanies toxic masculinity/femininity.
I think your explanation of why some studs are toxic is perfect. When I was a stud (I'm ftm) I always wanted to be the opposite of toxic. I thought if I could treat a girl with all the love and respect my mom deserves, then I'm a better choice than some dude. And bc of that, I've always been seen as "soft" or not a man, and generally don't fit in well in black communities
Smh 🤦🏿 same!
Bro soft boy supremacy
Why do I hate the term STUD so much?
I'm a gay woman and it just reminds me of animal husbandry.
Deborah Foster 😅
🐎
Lmaooo
Give me a fine stud
Jade thank you for being a source of great educational content. As an Asian gay, there isnt a lot of representation or education I can find for my kind. I have been guilty of only watching white youtubers, I was not even aware of the divide ... you bring so much light and I just want to thank you for your amazing content. You have inspired me
I told u before I’m not gay or lesbian but I’m black & ur personality is awesome so I’ve followed u for years because ur intelligence is needed .ur experience is important ur honesty is appreciated & inside ur head is a cool place & I like to hear it so yea I learned something..kno a few studs can’t ask certain things because I’m not a douche but u clear everything up for me so thanks for opening my mind to this train of thought 💜
Preachhhh! I dont consider myself a fem for a lot of the reasons u mentioned about them holding fragile masculinity and calling it a preference, I'm so over gender role and heteronormativity
Instantly subscribed, I had no idea about this social problem although when you think about it it is right before our eyes yet no one realises it
Something funny is i didn't know stud was a term for black masc women, and i have only ever referred to them as studs. never in my life called a white Butch a stud bc it just doesn't fit 😂
The toxic studs are disliking this video
🤣
I still remember when in my conservative town i met that girl. I was like "yeah a fellow lesbian" and then she start talking bad about fem girls, she was even homophobic to gay men. 🤢🤢
I like you!! You have such positive, polite vibe!
found you through rose and rosie's video. You are awesome, and it sucks that the algorithm has it so i never found you sooner. i feel like you're channel reminds me a lot of tiffany ferg in how you're both very self-aware intelligent individuals that analyze the internet and culture in ways I never would have thought of. You guys should collab i feel your energys would compliment each other so well.
Excellent video topic, mate. Very interesting perspective. In my experience of being out and masculine presenting, I never realized we had privileges to start off with. In my experience, being a stud made you a target by men and woman, and makes your life harder than most other folk. Men keep testing you about how masculine you are or keep trying to convert you. Woman have these weird expectations about you when it comes to sex and relationships.Being a gay woman is truly a unique way of experiencing the world, and has its own set of issues most other will not experience. I'm glad i found your video. Cant wait for part 2. Cheers.
Ah it's so refreshing to hear fresh takes on stuff. I haven't thought about this topic through your perspective as a white bi girl. Also off-topic but I really like the fonts you use, I appreciate a nice font. OK that's all.
I appreciate that you’re talking about things that need to be discussed. I appreciate that so much. Tell em girl
Sports bra culture 😭😭😭
*bra 😂
@@aldik_dj typo you know what I meant thanks though
SARKAZZ VLOGS lls yea, you’re welcome
Glad you're sparking these conversations! Soo important for us to continue deconstructing and demolishing all of these negative traits tied in with masculinity. As someone else in the comments said, we need to build up different, healthy definitions of what masculinity can mean and strive towards that.
A stud in cursive lmaoo you’re the best !
Thanks for the video, jade! I found your channel from Rose and Rosie’s video about the video you made about the racial divide between lesbian youtubers and I’m really glad I found you.
As a 29 year old cis white woman, I realized I was asexual after college. I’m more knowledgeable about ace terms but I just recently realized that romantically I prefer women. So your video is really helping me to define some terms that I’m embarrassed to admit I didn’t know!
My homeboy said some real shit he said " I'll fight a stud" I'm all for it, wanna act tough you can catch man's hands too.
As long any stud I meet NEVER acts like Candace Owens- then we good.
I LOVED this deepdive/think piece. Do make a part two if you feel like it, you make some very good points and would love to hear more
Was looking for that "not all studs" comment. Haven't seen it, Hope I don't. This is a very important conversation, it's one think to express masculine traits, but less not copy the negatives fam.
Fuck I am so happy I watched your Race Issue between White/Black lesbian YTers, NOW youtube is finally recommending your videos to me and I see this gem of a video and opened my damn eyes to shit I've been thinking about but never heard people really talk about. Subbed now and gonna catch up on what i've been missing!
I loved this vibe you are on. Why don't you send out a google form to some studs or femmes with questions on how femmes can be toxic
I felt this. It makes a lot of sense, it’s a unconscious separation to shield themselves from further criticism. Great talk with all the humor!
“Studs can not be white” 😂😂😂 I’ve always said that lol
So what do you call the white women who dress and act similarly?
You’ve had so much growth.. I love seeing it. Great content
from what I've seen (in videos of this kind) being black is very tough BUT being a black woman, AND A LESBIAN must be the toughest one. Ive seen people repidetly say being a black woman is the hardest and i agree, there is colorism in their own community against them, so many stereotypes, racism, sexism and with studs you need to have Homophobia there too? that horrible and honestly i kinda understand toxic behaviour when the world is against you...
Black and trans seems like a tough one too.
Still waiting on those links. I'm an older lesbian who was brought up in stud/femme culture and it has never worked for me. I am unashamedly a dominant femme which puts me at odds with toxic studs. I'd love to hear more about studs who embrace being "submissive" or "soft".
"Looking like a Christmas ham from the knee down"😂🤣😂🤣
Masculinity and femininity are Social Constructs and thanks for being super clear w your words especially for trans/genderfluid/nonbinary folks!
There is no stud from 1970 to give them proper representation today. They are looking at toxic men and continuing the cycle. So, someone has to give studs positive roles to follow. We can follow to be a women or a man because it has been shown since the beginning of time. But this is something fairly new but not new. Only new because it is becoming more mainstream in a negative way. Love who you love. It's all good with me.
So thoughtful. I love you channel!!
Agreed!! The having to fit into a butch/stud or femme space to be lesbian for decades only perpetuated what is gross about the binary, the patriarchy and everything heteronormative.
Masculinity is absolutely a defence mechanism for many. And perpetuates that masculinity is more powerful.
38, white, baby gay (came out a year ago) and my personal identity fluctuates from just femme of neutral (most of the time) to just masculine of neutral.
Thank you Jade.
Dairy free sexiness. Ha!! I'm dead. 😂😂
this video left me with more questions than i had before and i think that's a good things. topics like this should be discussed openly and controversely so we can move on as a culture/group within the LGBTQ+ community
Whew this was too deep Jade. Loved it. Keep up this thought provoking content.
I'm a black man with a black woman. And she and I discussed this topic all the time. But I will say that you are the most articulated and informative person to discuss this. And I find your take on this very fascinating.
This is a big reason why Ive never wanted to label myself as a stud.
Pick a side bro
This is interesting to think about especially with instances where studs in the media HAVE been sexualized still. For example, Young MA and Kodak Black.
KODAK BLACK??👀
The way that “What Y’all Really Want?!!” Translated was 👌🏾
“Smack yourself with your lululemons” 🤣🤣🤣 dead
i feel like when experimenting with masculinity it’s very easy to fall into a toxic mindset and think that being misogynistic is a way of achieving it. not only does this happen with studs, as in a lot of transmacline circles toxic masculinity is a problem. A lot of young trans men believe denouncing women and feminine trans men is a way to achieve said masculinity. it’s a very easy thing to fall into, glad i was able to avoid it whilst discovering myself. love this video
You're so down to earth. I love that. Love your channel.
I clicked on this video thinking we were gonna be shitting on f*ckbois. Was so confused for like the first 3 minutes, but I stayed, I was educated, and I'm subscribed now. As a black woman myself I feel a little ashamed that I was completely ignorant to this side of our community, but sis I'm here to stay, to be educated, and to understanding more of the lives and experiences of my fellow sisters ✊🏽
I feel like you are 100% correct. Every word. I live in Atlanta, and have been acquainted and friends with a fair amount of studs and fems.