I disagree with Pat and Woolie that none of your previous leads mattered. Everything from the phasmid to the flowers on the rooftop and Evrart’s involvement end up being related. The game bends over backwards to ensure all of Harry’s weird hunches meant something. He’s even right about there being something sexy about the case
It might stick out more on a second playthrough just how many things Harry’s bumbling ass manages to call out of the gate. It’s probably not unreasonable to assume he has some kind of detection aura similar to the Punisher’s crime field.
@@yeshua7238 my man Dubois can call the date of the end times with accuracy to the events of the book. He's something special and Im tempted its got something to do with his ability for Inland Mepire and Esprit de Corpse
It is really funny doing a second run through knowing your shit. It's almost like in Vampire: The Masqurade Malkavian is recommended for a second playthrough because he actively spoils shit (though you don't know cause it's written off as crazy ramblings). In Disco Elysium, you see your choices and go "OH, that DOES happen"
"Pleasure doing business with you, Harry!" Evrart you just stabbed me in the chest with a letter-opener "That's a sharp observation you just made, Harry! You're a smart man! A Union man!"
I never hear people discuss how brutal this games achievements/trophies are. I spent my first playthrough trying to be as true to myself as possible, and a few hours in I get "The Most Laughable Centrist" across my screen.
The Phasmid moment is so beautiful, and my favorite part is how Harry for a moment starts to think he's finally snapped and gone crazy, but Kim comes in with his short, "I can see it." I legitimately thought Harry HAD finally snapped until that.
@@k.-flynn Best thing is that probably would have been a pass on his Composure check instead of a fail. A fail would have been him denying what he's seeing I feel.
A couple moments from this game really stands out to me. First was Klaasje systematically dismantling Harry's entire psyche. Second, as someone who ADORES contextualizing gameplay elements was Dolores' accusing us of "Speaking in Lists" and the option to meekly respond with "They're not Lists, they're Trees..." Absolute Gold.
I'm really glad Pat brought up: "DETECTIVE. ARRIVING. ON THE SCENE." legit one of the greatest moments in this game, it gives me chills, it really is like yes this is the moment where Harry is truly back. You fought and kicked and spat and crawled your way back up from oblivion, from alcohol induced Abaddon, and you've scraped your shattered self back into something resembling the man you were. Nothing short of triumphant.
Yeah, there are *really* significant differences in the conversation based on what choices you make, and the different possibilities directly contradict each other. There's a version of the conversation where she directly calls you out for being a vile piece of shit that she despised by the end of the relationship, but there's also the version of the conversation I got where she directly just says "i used to love you but i just didn't anymore. it wasn't any one thing you did, but you were just *too* sad, and we were so poor, and i just couldn't live like that anymore." It's possible that both of these things were true, but Harry well and truly hates himself, so it's possible that both of those are just the ways that different versions of Harry (a more Physical Harry vs. a more Psyche-focused Harry) manifest and fabricate their self-loathing and guilt over the relationship
@@johnthomason9980 Yeah, the way you apply stats and have Harry behave throughout does subtly alter some of his behavioral patterns in between the defined outright bits. His relationship with Dora seemingly being a big one. That said, like you said it seems mostly to be his own personal perspective on things. I never got the Dora call myself so don't know if that is an element changed by how you've built Harry up to that point, but if not it does seem to paint a picture that no matter what Harry's mind cobbles together and claims Harry probably wasn't an unrepentant physical abuser since at least in what I've seen/heard Dora didn't really seem fearful or angry when suddenly called by Harry despite this sounding like a repeat occurrence. Tired and exasperated, but she almost seemed largely concerned and sorry for him which I definitely feel leans more into the kinder dream sequence claims of him not doing anything unacceptably wrong, just that his desperation to be enough just made him such a sad, pitiful, and confusing mess that she just couldn't bear to be around him anymore. Maybe her not being able to see a happy future in any of this financially and morally was a part of it, but what little unbiased context there is makes it seem even when she stopped loving him she didn't stop caring about him and couldn't take the strain of him destroying himself. You see similar stuff with Jean. He still very clearly cares, and a lot of dialogue you can have with him hints at him constantly having a glimmer of hope Harry is improving or is fondly reminiscing when they 'invent scenarios' while he's in disguise. He wants to believe Harry is finally truly recovering, but he's hurt and afraid to get his hopes up after the pain he's brought everyone post-breakup. You get something similar with Judit too speaking in his defense if you admit to 41 over the phone just how much you've screwed up. She's angry that people are laughing at him, arguing that it's not fair to kick him at his lowest implying Harry was helpful and liked at one point which silences and makes everyone uncomfortable. It really seems like the worst elements of Harry that drove so many away was probably more recent, or at least weren't to the severe degree that a lot of his worst offences bring up.
The fascist line is probably the most sleeper hit quest in that entire game after it was added in, doubly so because most people inclined to play Disco and take it seriously probably won't go fascist their first times around. So in case anyone is reading this, give it a shot or look that shit up. I'm gonna talk about it below just because I'm hoping someone else will say what they think too. It's damn good stuff. (spoilers for it below) Your gut reaction to the fascist route is that you're probably about to just go around insulting people or causing violence or something; but the truth is it's an entire questline about Harry's inner desire to return to a "simpler", more traditional time where his wife probably wouldn't have left him because it would've been her "role" to be the good housewife to him. It's a matter of so desperately wanting a world that makes sense for him and his worldviews that he's literally trying to find a way to go back in time. It's tragic, and really haunting. And the fact that most of the questline is really breaking down the worldviews of some of the worst (the racist lorry driver) and arguably secretly most complex characters in the game (Measurehead) really stuck with me. You learn of the worlds that they've built for themselves, ironically, to protect them from reality. Worlds where everything is always the fault of someone else and their nations, ideologies, and most importantly, egos are all just and right. It really made me think about the mindset of who can fall into the logical pitfalls of racism and sexism. Xenophobic reactionaries, people who are so afraid of everything that the only way to express that fear is rage and pride, or those filled with so much self-hate and loathing that it spills over into how they believe the universe itself works. Or even those who are just filled with an unbelievably deep sadness like Rene and Harry who just so desperately wants something that makes sense. And it *humanizes* all of them. You can see the obvious absurdity of Measurehead and write him off completely as a living joke, but then you get past the sex and wömen talk and get into the circumstances that made him what he is. And the ending is actually very good imo, from a character development point of view. Harry does give himself into his internal anger against the world because "It's all shit, all of it", but he, of *all* the questlines, makes progress towards dealing with his failed marriage because he decides that to look to the past is destructive and self-defeating. He resolves that the world, and more importantly Revachol, may be shit but it's *his* world to protect. And if he can't stand tall and face it it will leave him broken and sad and alone for the rest of his days. He views himself as an "icebreaker", something that will never yield against the darkness of the world, and though his newfound pride comes from some illogical or even immoral places he won't let that stop him from protecting Revachol. Anyways that's my lowdown of it. If anyone bothered to actually read this thanks for humoring me, Disco is one of my favorite games so I'm not gonna lie I wrote this mainly to myself to remind myself of just how much I love that game. Have a good one.
@@2deep5u I can't tell if this is a troll or not. Are you sincerely pissed that an Eastern European author didn't depict fascism as favorably as you'd hoped? Maybe you're the one who should be reading more than five pages of your chosen ideology.
The guy who was on the receiving end of that gunshot did deserve it but he was also the only one who was keeping his squad sane. All his squad mates were insane and he only indulged in the madness so his squad would show him respect. "Keep the mask on" but you can still see the baby blue eyes. The Scab Leader was a heavy, not a commander.
Like tv trope hypes it up but it's four assholes with guns down to three assholes so they are gonna shoot whoever responsible, to say running the train on a girl to stop a mutiny was keeping other sane is getting the whole thing wrong. He is pragmatic but he is still as evil as his foster brother, at least he had grief as an excuse for shooting everyone boasting about killing his foster brother Lely just wanted to keep his paycheck
You see, from the very beggining they were already up to no good, and it becomes quite clear when you show the photo to the scab leader. Matter of fact, if they weren't all depressed and drunk, you'd never stand a chance and they would probably go around killing and violating citizens of Revachol until the whole strike ordeal was over. Plus, their commander was being kept on a leash by Klaasje, but was a drug addict and scum, just like the others. The mercenaries being in town was already a tragedy. Him getting shot was unfortunate but it wasn't condemning.
I have a theory that Harry was such a good detective that he knew immediately as soon as he arrived in Martinaise where the shot came from and a good idea about who did it, its the little clues like throwing his shoe against the window. I can see him drunk saying "shoot me". His relationship with Dora also seems incredibly simple, he fell in love with a pretty face, not saying she is terrible, spent some great times, he tried to improved his lot in life by joining the police and stop being a poor gym teacher at 26, but in the end when the grace period passed she just aborted and left. Yeah its enough to break someone.
Same It hits a lot harder when you don't follow up with her and find out that her husband might actually be missing, so you just find a completely random corpse and end up getting absolutely blindsided with sadness and undeserved guilt the second you walk in her apartment and find out who she is
Oh." She touches her neck, eyes pale like pearls in seawater. "Oh," she says again, "But he was just..." She looks at the kitchen table, where two cigarette butts are still in the tray. Empathy: But he was just here. Alive.
"[The Hanged Man] is definitely portrayed tragically for such a bad dude. The psychopathic bravado you see on display in the "Doorgunner Megamix" that earned him the undying hatred of the locals was mostly an act so his squad wouldn't see him as soft, plus it was his warped idea of a joke. While he was unquestionably a terrible person who would do terrible things without much thought, he didn't actually seem to revel in it the way his squad did. It's heavily hinted in your Inland Empire conversations with him/his corpse that underneath everything he's still just the scared little boy who was left in a leaf compactor by his birth family and beaten by his stepdad. This is in sharp contrast to the rest of his squad, who also acts in the way shown by the "Doorgunner Megamix" except it's very, very real and they are definitely not tragic figures." - TV Tropes.
Something a friend pointed out to me that I'm suprised no one else (that I've seen) has ever mentioned is that the voice on the megamix is most definitely actually Ruud. Compare it to the tribunal voice lines and the quality of voice is extremely similar, not to mention that Klassje contradicts the idea that the voice heard is the hanged mans by describing Lely as having a soft voice. Lely is also the only other mercenary that wore full body armor, helmet and all. Meaning that the hardie boys may have actually bugged Ruud, not Lely.
@@leviathan-boogaloo8568 Wow, I never thought that. I'm gonna have to listen carefully next time to see if your friend was right. (They both have the same helmet too, shit).
i feel deeply sad for the boy that became hitler everytime i hear about his loveless, failure studded young life...but he still is fucking hitler. the hanged man chose to employ his soldier skills against factory workers. they may be thugs as well but they arent trained killers in the pocket of the privileged. good riddance.
@@leviathan-boogaloo8568 Wouldn't make much sense based on some dialogues the narrative implies ruud was not in Martinaise during until after lely died. Joyce says there were only three and ruby says a mercenary just arrived the day you go aprehend her, the idea being that what held them back was that Rudd wanted to participate in the tribunal and they waited for him. And also that klaasje knows word for word what lely said on the tape because that was how he talked
I’m only disappointed that the Disco Spoilercast is not the entire podcast, cause holy shit, I want these two to talk about every single character. They’re all great.
On the island, there's a bit after finding the sniper nest where you can tell Kim you feel like you're being watched, and his response is "yeah, I've felt that ever since we got here" My first thought was "ah shit, that injury must have really fucked me up to miss that, gonna have to give Inland and Shivers a good talking to" My second thought was "oh shit, what if that concussion awoke something in Kim"
@@VashdaCrashit basically is, the part that comes next is basically an epilogue where you get your performance reviewed and you get a bit more context on Harry
My last half hour in Disco Elysium consisted of me failing TWO guaranteed, "you've done everything right, your minimum roll is above the threshold" checks because of snake-eyes, one of which was "don't spook the Phasmid." I've never been angrier at a pair of dice, and I've played DnD for almost two decades.
I never got the note of the book. At the dream sequence at the ending, inland empire and volition just chimed in and said “phew, that was close, but you avoided the phone, the book, and the notes. That was close”
@@GrEyCoBo I don't know, there's at least three important windows in the game: the one where you throw your shoe throught, the one shooted throught with a bullet, and the one you look outside from when sleeping in that old woman's house.
15:20 I've never related to a character more than Harry in this game, and that's not a good or fun thing or something that makes me happy. This game was a very difficult thing to get through and very personally painful and I love it. I don't think I could play it again.
Same. Every time I try to play it again, I just drop it immediatetly. This has been going for two years. I always say this game is the best in history.
I have to say, because it's super easy to miss: VOLITION IS ALSO COMPROMISED Volition is compromised in the complete opposite way of all other stats. Volition wants to keep Harry together, and to that end Volition is strictly against pretty lasses who remind him of The Wife. I honestly find it pretty brilliant. The bias of all the other stats is so obvious that you easily miss the more insidious bias Volition possesses. It only really falters when you face "Dolores" in the dream, and otherwise it keeps up a perfect veneer of "reason" when the truth is that Volition is unreasonably hateful.
I wouldn't call it unreasonably hateful if any mention of Her sends Harry into a suicidal death drop, Volition is just trying to keep you alive. That's like saying a seatbelt is trying to choke you.
@@k.-flynn It is against other reason, because being suspicious of Kladje for instance is not particularly reasonable. She actually does have some shit to her but it's shit you're unaware of. Volition doesn't want her arrested because of evidence, Volition wants her arrested out of spite, and because "letting her go" means Harry won't let go
@@terrenceswiff Drama wants her arrested out of spite, because it's angry she fooled it. Volition even tries to rein drama in when it flips on Klassje. Authority wants to arrest her out of spite, too, because authority is a spiteful bastard. Volition wants to arrest her as a flight risk which... well, she is. As is proven if you choose not to arrest her.
There's also another detail. Volition tries to keep your morale high, it always tells you what you need to hear, tells you that you're doing better than you think, that things are going to be fine. Volition will lie or reassure you in your bad choices just to keep Harry together, it manipulates you like that. Just like Klaasje does. She sees charm in every one of Harry's fuck ups, plays into his weird questions, makes him feel better about himself. The irony is that Volition realizes that Klaasje is playing you because she's doing the same thing Volition does. Playing you in the same way.
After years of hearing what Pat will do to stay alive, I don’t think anyone could possibly have less grounds to call someone a pussy for deserting except for actual deserters.
I think the point is that the Deserter did his namesake but then spent FIVE DECADES refusing to move on from the ideology he wasn't brave enough to fight for.
@@Snidhog I mean let's be real, there was no "fighting" they shelled the fucking isola, and then sent in the calvary to mercy kill the stragglers, you'd be an idiot not to run.
@@Snidhog I think it's less about fight for ideology, and more about "good guys" commiting genocide and then him seeing less and less people giving the fuck about this.
@@Snidhog Then there was the phasmid thing. He might have been attracted to the idea of staying there because that place must have felt different from its presence.
I can't properly articulate what the Phasmids reveal did for me, but I almost shrieked and completely forgot about the investigation. I was just ripped out of this shitty world and felt simple, unexpected wonder. You can't come back from that kind of thing without a perspective shift. Now that I'm thinking about it some more, some of the low points of my life have come around because of a Phasmid reveal. Ya go forward, lacking direction, just trudging to keep yourself one step ahead of giving up, that vague goal you set for yourself is the only thing you have right now. But then you get it, and it didn't do anything. It was never going to be worth it. Nothings fixed, and you now have no direction as a result. YO WTF IS THAT THOUGH? Wait, that stupid diversion from a million steps back? Why is that here and making me feel alive again? Hahaha, whatever, fuck it, I guess. A lot of things have been a Phasmid for me.
I cried hardcore-like when the dialogue about HDB being an incredibly sensitive instrument + the bugs cheering your existence on popped up. Shit hit like a goddamn sledgehammer, man.n
@@rahjeel you are trying to turn back time to when revachol was once great, only to realize its not possible and that only by becoming a true kingsman can you shoulder the burden. also its just a metaphor for Harry's relationship falling apart with his wife and him trying to get her back
I'm with Pat as far as Evrart Claire is concerned. There's something so charming and funny about his cartoonishly transparent attempts to manipulate you. Additionally, he's fairly layered in complexity: is his leftist rhetoric a way of masking his corruption, or is his performative corruption a way of masking his leftist ambitions? On top of all that, I've been meaning to say this for a long time: Evrart Claire did nothing wrong. Well, no, he actually did a lot wrong. But, given that he tasked himself with improving Martinaise: cleaning up the drug trade, chasing off the criminal gangs, and lifting the neighbourhood out of poverty; it's easy to understand why he felt he had to get his hands dirty along the way. Sure, I know it's easy to criticise him, but it's always easy to sit on the sidelines and poke holes in how other people do things, while never actually contributing ideas of your own. It's easy to be a moralist, whining about how people need to work within a system that has already failed them. It's easy to be the Deserter, alone on your island, complaining about the state of the world rather than trying to fix it. What's difficult is letting go of your timidity and need for moral purity, and actually taking steps to improve things for those around you.
@@Rotionpotion Not to mention he is willing going to war saying he has the numbers for his scheme and that is proven so wrong on the tribunal encounter.
No, he has tasked to improve Martinaise for himself and those close to him, fuck everyone else, and so he will end up being exactly the same as Wild Pines is right now, with the people still being screwed over anyway. I suppose it is an example of thinking that what you don't have is better, but corrupt ideologists like Evrart are extremely common here in South America, and we are still trying to recover all that was lost after each one of their idiocies, so I have nothing but hate for him.
In the conversation with Dolores in various topics Woolie chose the third option that finished the line of questioning so he missed a lot about the relationship, and for some weird reason, he is cannoned in his mind that Harry have had to do something terrible to her for the break up. No, she just left him. Because after the cool period passed, she saw him for what he was, a poor, sad, older man and she bailed. Nothing dramatic happened, nobody's fault, she just left him but Harry couldn't get over it.
Yeah it says a lot that he headcanoned in an entire abuse subplot. Woolz tends to talk himself into reasons to hate characters who've made a bad impression on him but it's happened across a few games that he starts seeing abusers or potential abusers. One can sympathize if it's something he gets triggered over.
@@ascendedsleeper7820 Think it’s the thing he says at 13:40 that made he go to abuse as there is not much folk think of when the subject of abortion comes up
There's a line in the Rigorous Self Critique thought that talks about physically holding a woman in a room and stopping her from leaving. It's not necessarily about her, but it's a possibility.
@@ascendedsleeper7820 I think its a fair observation given what woolie knows of harry as a person. you have to remember that until the first day of the game Harry is a repugnant piece of human trash and has ruined every relationship he's had, you start the game on the day he "possibly" pulls himself together but its after years of bullshit.
I remember at the start of the game where I was dirty poor and I needed spare change from any kind so I asked the guy selling clothes on his truck for some money in 'exchange for protection' and Espirit de corps called in telling me about how I had just made the work of one other honest policeman a bit harder. This game truly pulls no punches.
None of the previous events mattering I think kinda hints towards the fact that obviously Disco Elysium isn't about the story that unfolds regarding the murder. It's a character study on Harry and his interfacing with the pain of being human, ideology, and other people.
But they do matter. There are so many little things that had to come together for that man to be where he was when he got shot, and then the effects of that death certainly made it even more relevant. I honestly find it silly to say that the previous events didn't matter.
Funny thing is: When I was offered the chance to take a nap, I didn't even consider the potential for a dream or even a final limbic system conversation. All I thought was, this game has given me PLENTY of opportunities to screw myself. I got to the island with the probable killer on it, on a very loud boat. I don't have the time for a nap. My Harry started out as Sorry Cop and evolved into Superstar Cop as he got his confidence back. He also turned out to be a communist of sorts because the communist replies were just the funniest to me a lot of the time, and felt like something he'd say snarkily, but turns out Harry's such a blank slate that he said them earnestly. Ha.
If there's one thing that the internet has taught us is that ironically aping political beliefs is a potential step on the path to legitimately believing them
@@johnthomason9980 Accordingly, this is the way Marxists seem to view Irony and Post-Irony. Not as "it's just a joke", but actual reflection of the self.
I knew this game was special and would be one of my all time favourites when I had the phone call with Harry's ex wife. That was fucking crushing man. "I'm not drunk, or high, I'm just... Hurt. Why does it hurt to talk to you?"
I didn't touch anything having to do with Dolores. I let the letter go, I didn't let my curiosity dig it up. Whatever had happened, Harry lost his memory over it, no reason to dig it up.
I played my detective as a guy who knows he's fucked up, is probably dying and doesn't care about himself but is trying his best to solve this shit for Kim's sake as Kim got stuck with him. So I accept a lot of my characters flaws, so I'm curious if my ending with Harry will be him accepting his emotions about his wife leaving him being potentially his fault.
Nope turns out he does still blame her 😅 but yeah it was an interesting experience especially how Kim noted I didn't drink or do drugs at the end ,which I'm curious how many people have heard that line.
Its also implied along with it that no one REALLY gets married in revachol. Maybe because of the legal twilight they stand on. But its still basically his wife.
between mine, pats, and woolies playthroughs, there was still plenty of stuff that made them all special. it really is the type of game you want to go through more than once
Disco remains the greatest game I have ever played, and I've been playing games for 32 years at this point. No other game has made me feel what it made me feel, and no other game created a world as captivating to me. It was nearly perfect, with the only caveat being that you can miss some incredible scenes if you don't make certain choices. My first playthrough was magic, but I can imagine how, with just a few choices, I could have missed many thing that made that game what it is to me, and I might never have gone back to play it again.
34:20 Mandatory Shivers prompt? I got it, failed (somehow) wasn't able to re-check it to try and pass again, and ended up entering the building through the sewer pipe.
It's just Pat's Crazy talk activating. Though I think he's more just not wording what he means correctly by when he mentioned it this time. He implies you need to succeed the interaction in order to find ruby. When the game has 2 other ways unrelated to shivers (perception and PI get you through the door). And does the thing with the body where if you fail you just have to do something else for a massive check bonus, if you do go shivers.
So in terms of the ending and the 'climax' of the game, I think the game has different points to call a 'climax' depending on what part of the game you're most invested in. If you're trying to be the best possible cop, the tribunal is the climax. If you're invested in Harry's personal story of self re-discovery, then the encounter with delores dei is the climax. If the thing that's drawn you most in about the game is the world itself, then you'll probably find the conversation with the deserter to be the game's final note. You could say this about the phasmid encounter, the reunion with station 41, hell, some might even argue that the actual investigation peaks with your encounter with Ruby. It may not have as much variance as the tribunal, but your knowledge of the investigation arguably matters more in that encounter than anywhere else.
I like the fuck you godfather bit because most people will get to that part assuming Harry was the main factor of the falling out because he's just a really weird and fucked up guy. But then they hit you with that bombshell and it's just... They both fucked up a lot but I think Harry's self-victimization is a little warranted lol. Traumatic enough to induce recurring torturous nightmares thrice a week, I can't even imagine.
The thing is that it's impossible to know how much of that dream was real and how much was Harry's own subconscious flagellation. Even the woman in the dream says many times that she hates "this monster you've turned me into". The details are left ambiguous on purpose.
@@Mantis47 people are too eagar to put all the blame on the male in a relationship when both sides can be equally fucked up. Even with woolies unanimous "oh theres nothing left here afte rthe unconsenting abortion" kinda tries to sidestep fault of dora in the failied engagement.
NEED MORE DISCO, i'd love an extended discussion after woolie does his new game+. Me personally, my next playthrough i want to do a HARDCORE, NO SAVESCUM extreme playthro to see if i can actually get to the ending.
Woolie convinced me in like episode 2 to pick the game up. I blasted through it completely blind and wound up missing a lot of the side content (Didn't get far in the church quest, no vision quest which I still didn't do in my second, getting the boots, missed getting either gun but got kim through, list goes on). But right after I finished it, I did a new playthrough after spoiling everything I really could via the wiki and save scummed through. Got to explore a lot more and in a bit of a different way. It was good fun and honestly now that Woolie is done (though I haven't watched his LP through yet) I'm kinda itchy for a third using a character I built purely to roundhouse Measurehead and punch Cuno. And TBH getting to the end of the game isn't hard, especially if you bee line for it and play it safe with stuff.
How is this segment so short compared to other topics that are 1 hour long sometimes? Time to figure it out. Edit: Straight to the point and Woolie wanted to keep it short when he asked about the favorite stat. We could have got 2 extra minutes maybe,
I think it's more so that Volition is doing all he can to keep Harry's mental state healthy, and will do his damnedest to steer you away from embarrassing and tormenting yourself. It doesn't misguide Harry, or at least I never had a moment where he misguides Harry, most of the stats have moments, failed check or no, where they desperately want you to go down a certain path, only for Volition moments later to bust in telling you "FUCKING STOP". The best example is when Authority fails at the nightclub and Volition is begging you to stop and apologize.
Yeah I noticed that. All the stats are compromised because Klassje reminds Harry of Dora, but Volition recognizes this and is compromised in the *other* direction, where it takes a hard line against her and becomes petty and perhaps unnecessarily resentful of her. It's the same kind of misogynist sentiment that you can find Harry expressing in the Fascist questline.
I just wanna say if you can't say something about a game without spoiling it for the person playing it, don't say anything. Like the whole thing Woolie mentioned at 6:30 is a big problem i've noticed lately where people really can't just not, y'know? Like sure the game's been out for about three years but don't take the experience away from someone just experiencing it.
Woolie's description of the conversation with Joyce made me think - a picture is worth a thousand words, but the RIGHT thousand words are worth a thousand pictures.
"The tankie communist is saying stuff the nationalist would say" Sounds like the left wing developers of Disco have a pretty accurate assessment of tankies.
@@God_gundam36 it’s definitely morphed from whatever it was originally to something very nebulous now, basically someone who claims to be a leftist but seems to more concerned with opposing the United States/NATO’s global hegemony than actually supporting leftist movements? Like you get a lot of people on twitter with hammer and sickles in their handles and usernames like @/sexylildengist supporting Assad and regurgitating Kremlin bullet points about the “special military operation”
It will probably be years before I could replay this game. The journey and the choises I managed through the game felt too personal and left be believing that there *_is_* hope for the future of my Sorry Cop, and then maybe for me too.
I didn't even talk to Klaasje at the start of the game so i only knew her from a glance and all my voices were on lock down trying to see what crack to find while talking to her. I didn't choose any political ideology but never just stay center so i miss a lot but also so a lot of other stuff from the botch of them so it was cool.
I do give Disco Elysium of top games of all time even with 1 game crashing bug to the point I had to wait for a PC patch and restart to finish the game. I do believe Harry's canon stat is 1 2 4 5 and special trait is encyclopedia. If you to believe he is a former gym teacher.
@@peterwhite6415 there is bug where the church shakes during that the Andre model should be proc the scared emote instead it stand in place without change and your are stuck but if you reload there a chance that game is hard to maneuver and exit the church the whole world become a void of nothing.
I've had lots of crashes on the PS4 version, too. Cigarettes and drugs didn't function for me 8 out of 10 times, either. I held them in my hands but couldn't use them.
just got around to finishing the game and it is fascinating how I experienced almost none of the stuff they talked about. A lot of the characters I never even encountered.
i wonder though. Would woolie have checked all the traps as diligently as he did if he didn't know? He was really animated about his disdain or wahtever for cryptids through the whole game. I bet he wouldve just done the minimum, but instead he was told this is real and that maybe he can find an easter egg that hints at it.
My favorite stat is a tie between Shivers and Volition. As much as I appreciate Purple Shivers, I was already leaning towards Volition before the Stats Compromised bit. Also Woolie missed something: Volition doesn't get charmed by Klaasje but it starts over-correcting against her.
Honest to god, it was kind of a disappointing spoilercast. They just bounced off of one point in the game to another without going into detail or elaborating on it. It probably doesn’t help that Pat hasn’t touched the game in months, which means that all he can do is passively agree with him about something or not elaborate. Woolie didn’t do much better :/ I guess I was hoping for a more in depth discussion about characters and events, something akin to the Westworld S1 spoilercast from the SBFC days.
@@FlameHidden I did feel that they have been more in-depth before. Them talking about the Phantom Pain ending as well as the spoilercast for Westworld S1 come to mind. Might be more of a CSB issue tho.
yeah they are the same, which is why communists were among the groups persecuted by the nazis and also why the ussr helped retake Europe with the rest of the allies
EDIT: I am changing my original comment because after fact checking it, I realized I was wrong and I don't wanna spread misinformation. Still it doesn't matter that the Shivers check at the end of the game is "mandatory" because you could have a 1 in Shivers and never level it up and still pass the check because every single time you do a sidequest in the game that check gets a +1. Failed the check? Just do another quest you missed.
Are you sure about that? I remember that being after the shivers check, where you can either "teleport" up the ladder or break into the door below. The shivers check is to confirm that you need to get into the building at all.
On my first playthrough i decided i wanted to never learn who i am, was really sad that throwing away the note ended up being pointless cause you just learn everything in the end anyway
I got the cleaning out the rooms and wasteland of reality thoughts so i didn't see her or anything about an abortion. I think having both at once is harry actually healing.
Kinda disappointed honestly. Didn't really get as indepth as I expected/wanted them too. Not much perspective on klassje, hardies, ruby, the task force or anything that wasn't the case/wife.
Its gonna sound suspicious but I like more Evrart because he is straight to point and he is blunt and doesnt hide shit, Joyce is kind of mysterious and usually people that act that way are more dangerous than people like Evrart(Edgar) because he is straight and know what to expect.
DO NOT. They also did the 13 Sentinals spoilercast when the stream finished not when the LP vods finished. As a rule get to the end of the game totally before listening to spoilercast
So does having strong set of skills change how you perceive the game? mine was empathy, visual calculus, and perception was my strongest talkers the whole game, but I also had shivers and logic and physical instrument chime quite often too? I never trusted shivers too paranoid for me.
They do. The stats stating what they're like when they're high will show them doing just that. While you may be able to figure out something logical for one play through. Say next time you go full unga bunga and all your problems look like nails and YOU'RE THE HAMMER. If you've only played through once, a second playthrough is so much more rewarding.
Hope in future podcasts you can fill us in on how the fascist route goes, Woolie :) Too nervous to look up vids on it, but it's the one I'm the most curious on how it goes.
@@rahjeel It's mostly because I'd hate to see Kim just putting up with Harry (for as long as he does, anyway). I'm aware it's a game. Games can cause certain emotions. And because I know how good this game is, I know it would be very skilled at getting under your skin. Like second hand embarrassment in a way?
It's more like you're a Malkavian from Vampire: The Masqurade. Like you know EXACTLY what's going on (even if it's future stuff), but you can't quite say what is going on except in a crazy round about way. Or the simple fact that what IS going on is so insane no one would believe you (like the phasmid). Harry doesn't have reverse Crazy Talk/Waaagh energy where what he says becomes true cause he says that's how it should be. He's just really good at knowing what IS true, though can't quite prove it until it happens.
something that come-up very fucking often with dora's portray through the game, is her being abusive toward Harry. it seem like they started as a good relationship founded on hope and love, and it devolved overtime as Harry started spiralling while she started to resent him in general. somethign that does come-up very often whenever Harry think of her, is her being abusive toward him tho'. could be him projecting his self-loathing but it's not something he attribute to single characters as defining traits despite often having flashbacks and hallucinations of peoples he met. there's always a bit of self-loathing Harry project on others, but it seem like with dora, it's a defining personnality-trait he has assigned to her, again could be projecting, but i don't think so. as for the biggest no-no, the abortion/miscarriage. -if we go with abortion, almost every interpretations you could pull from it would be EXTREMELY BAD. -if we go with the miscarriage, it's probably the straw that broke the camel's back, and personnally that's what i believe.
She aborted his kid because he wasn't anything close to rich, had drug/alcohol issues, and was an extreme workaholic, thus distant. Both could be said to be at fault but she was undeniably the villain.
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I disagree with Pat and Woolie that none of your previous leads mattered. Everything from the phasmid to the flowers on the rooftop and Evrart’s involvement end up being related. The game bends over backwards to ensure all of Harry’s weird hunches meant something. He’s even right about there being something sexy about the case
"Communism killed me, but love did me in."
It might stick out more on a second playthrough just how many things Harry’s bumbling ass manages to call out of the gate. It’s probably not unreasonable to assume he has some kind of detection aura similar to the Punisher’s crime field.
@@yeshua7238 my man Dubois can call the date of the end times with accuracy to the events of the book. He's something special and Im tempted its got something to do with his ability for Inland Mepire and Esprit de Corpse
@@yeshua7238 Logic: You've already had this thought before.
It is really funny doing a second run through knowing your shit. It's almost like in Vampire: The Masqurade Malkavian is recommended for a second playthrough because he actively spoils shit (though you don't know cause it's written off as crazy ramblings). In Disco Elysium, you see your choices and go "OH, that DOES happen"
"Pleasure doing business with you, Harry!"
Evrart you just stabbed me in the chest with a letter-opener
"That's a sharp observation you just made, Harry! You're a smart man! A Union man!"
Well, who's the number 1 killer of union members? Evrart says ACAB
“Don’t worry Harry, we have *almost* free healthcare!”
Evrart and Edgar may be murderous slug-fuckers. But the Debardieurs didn’t have healthcare or overtime pay before they slithered along.
I never hear people discuss how brutal this games achievements/trophies are. I spent my first playthrough trying to be as true to myself as possible, and a few hours in I get "The Most Laughable Centrist" across my screen.
😳 woah. We're trying to be a person with morals?
Found the "Mr I Always Choose Option D" over here!
A valuable moment for self reflection, perhaps
Pat got that and was *SUPER* pissed. It was great.
Don’t worry I got sorry cop and the game scolded me for it in the end lol
The Phasmid moment is so beautiful, and my favorite part is how Harry for a moment starts to think he's finally snapped and gone crazy, but Kim comes in with his short, "I can see it." I legitimately thought Harry HAD finally snapped until that.
That's where Kim became a true hero for me, he let his legendary composure down just enough to ground Harry's reality.
It was great for me because I didn't believe any of the cryptid stuff so when I saw that it my mind was racing about that
@@k.-flynn Best thing is that probably would have been a pass on his Composure check instead of a fail. A fail would have been him denying what he's seeing I feel.
Kim, the best example of a lawful good character in video games that I can think of, the realest dude
A couple moments from this game really stands out to me. First was Klaasje systematically dismantling Harry's entire psyche.
Second, as someone who ADORES contextualizing gameplay elements was Dolores' accusing us of "Speaking in Lists" and the option to meekly respond with "They're not Lists, they're Trees..."
Absolute Gold.
I'm really glad Pat brought up: "DETECTIVE. ARRIVING. ON THE SCENE." legit one of the greatest moments in this game, it gives me chills, it really is like yes this is the moment where Harry is truly back. You fought and kicked and spat and crawled your way back up from oblivion, from alcohol induced Abaddon, and you've scraped your shattered self back into something resembling the man you were. Nothing short of triumphant.
People say that the Tribunal is the game's climax but for me, the climax was absolutely that moment right there. Jesus, talk about catharsis.
Is that a callback to something from the beginning I forgot?
@@flyingtoast27 from the end
It’s incredible how Woolie and Reggie just completely sandbagged that moment
After all the bantering between the skills this one felt like its all coming together
That conversation in the dream also isn't her, it's harry's version of her that he has constructed to bludgeon himself with.
Yeah, there are *really* significant differences in the conversation based on what choices you make, and the different possibilities directly contradict each other. There's a version of the conversation where she directly calls you out for being a vile piece of shit that she despised by the end of the relationship, but there's also the version of the conversation I got where she directly just says "i used to love you but i just didn't anymore. it wasn't any one thing you did, but you were just *too* sad, and we were so poor, and i just couldn't live like that anymore."
It's possible that both of these things were true, but Harry well and truly hates himself, so it's possible that both of those are just the ways that different versions of Harry (a more Physical Harry vs. a more Psyche-focused Harry) manifest and fabricate their self-loathing and guilt over the relationship
@@johnthomason9980 Yeah, the way you apply stats and have Harry behave throughout does subtly alter some of his behavioral patterns in between the defined outright bits. His relationship with Dora seemingly being a big one. That said, like you said it seems mostly to be his own personal perspective on things.
I never got the Dora call myself so don't know if that is an element changed by how you've built Harry up to that point, but if not it does seem to paint a picture that no matter what Harry's mind cobbles together and claims Harry probably wasn't an unrepentant physical abuser since at least in what I've seen/heard Dora didn't really seem fearful or angry when suddenly called by Harry despite this sounding like a repeat occurrence.
Tired and exasperated, but she almost seemed largely concerned and sorry for him which I definitely feel leans more into the kinder dream sequence claims of him not doing anything unacceptably wrong, just that his desperation to be enough just made him such a sad, pitiful, and confusing mess that she just couldn't bear to be around him anymore.
Maybe her not being able to see a happy future in any of this financially and morally was a part of it, but what little unbiased context there is makes it seem even when she stopped loving him she didn't stop caring about him and couldn't take the strain of him destroying himself.
You see similar stuff with Jean. He still very clearly cares, and a lot of dialogue you can have with him hints at him constantly having a glimmer of hope Harry is improving or is fondly reminiscing when they 'invent scenarios' while he's in disguise. He wants to believe Harry is finally truly recovering, but he's hurt and afraid to get his hopes up after the pain he's brought everyone post-breakup.
You get something similar with Judit too speaking in his defense if you admit to 41 over the phone just how much you've screwed up. She's angry that people are laughing at him, arguing that it's not fair to kick him at his lowest implying Harry was helpful and liked at one point which silences and makes everyone uncomfortable. It really seems like the worst elements of Harry that drove so many away was probably more recent, or at least weren't to the severe degree that a lot of his worst offences bring up.
The fascist line is probably the most sleeper hit quest in that entire game after it was added in, doubly so because most people inclined to play Disco and take it seriously probably won't go fascist their first times around. So in case anyone is reading this, give it a shot or look that shit up. I'm gonna talk about it below just because I'm hoping someone else will say what they think too. It's damn good stuff.
(spoilers for it below)
Your gut reaction to the fascist route is that you're probably about to just go around insulting people or causing violence or something; but the truth is it's an entire questline about Harry's inner desire to return to a "simpler", more traditional time where his wife probably wouldn't have left him because it would've been her "role" to be the good housewife to him. It's a matter of so desperately wanting a world that makes sense for him and his worldviews that he's literally trying to find a way to go back in time.
It's tragic, and really haunting. And the fact that most of the questline is really breaking down the worldviews of some of the worst (the racist lorry driver) and arguably secretly most complex characters in the game (Measurehead) really stuck with me. You learn of the worlds that they've built for themselves, ironically, to protect them from reality. Worlds where everything is always the fault of someone else and their nations, ideologies, and most importantly, egos are all just and right.
It really made me think about the mindset of who can fall into the logical pitfalls of racism and sexism. Xenophobic reactionaries, people who are so afraid of everything that the only way to express that fear is rage and pride, or those filled with so much self-hate and loathing that it spills over into how they believe the universe itself works. Or even those who are just filled with an unbelievably deep sadness like Rene and Harry who just so desperately wants something that makes sense. And it *humanizes* all of them. You can see the obvious absurdity of Measurehead and write him off completely as a living joke, but then you get past the sex and wömen talk and get into the circumstances that made him what he is.
And the ending is actually very good imo, from a character development point of view. Harry does give himself into his internal anger against the world because "It's all shit, all of it", but he, of *all* the questlines, makes progress towards dealing with his failed marriage because he decides that to look to the past is destructive and self-defeating. He resolves that the world, and more importantly Revachol, may be shit but it's *his* world to protect. And if he can't stand tall and face it it will leave him broken and sad and alone for the rest of his days. He views himself as an "icebreaker", something that will never yield against the darkness of the world, and though his newfound pride comes from some illogical or even immoral places he won't let that stop him from protecting Revachol.
Anyways that's my lowdown of it. If anyone bothered to actually read this thanks for humoring me, Disco is one of my favorite games so I'm not gonna lie I wrote this mainly to myself to remind myself of just how much I love that game. Have a good one.
Beautifuly put.
@@2deep5u Well, thank you for teaching me that "ossified" is a word, I guess? That's a new one to me.
Harrier Du Bois THE LAST KINGSMAN
I did a Fascist run midway through an Ultraliberal run
@@2deep5u I can't tell if this is a troll or not. Are you sincerely pissed that an Eastern European author didn't depict fascism as favorably as you'd hoped? Maybe you're the one who should be reading more than five pages of your chosen ideology.
The guy who was on the receiving end of that gunshot did deserve it but he was also the only one who was keeping his squad sane. All his squad mates were insane and he only indulged in the madness so his squad would show him respect. "Keep the mask on" but you can still see the baby blue eyes. The Scab Leader was a heavy, not a commander.
Like tv trope hypes it up but it's four assholes with guns down to three assholes so they are gonna shoot whoever responsible, to say running the train on a girl to stop a mutiny was keeping other sane is getting the whole thing wrong. He is pragmatic but he is still as evil as his foster brother, at least he had grief as an excuse for shooting everyone boasting about killing his foster brother Lely just wanted to keep his paycheck
They all deserved it, but "Lely" deserved it least.
You see, from the very beggining they were already up to no good, and it becomes quite clear when you show the photo to the scab leader. Matter of fact, if they weren't all depressed and drunk, you'd never stand a chance and they would probably go around killing and violating citizens of Revachol until the whole strike ordeal was over. Plus, their commander was being kept on a leash by Klaasje, but was a drug addict and scum, just like the others. The mercenaries being in town was already a tragedy. Him getting shot was unfortunate but it wasn't condemning.
I have a theory that Harry was such a good detective that he knew immediately as soon as he arrived in Martinaise where the shot came from and a good idea about who did it, its the little clues like throwing his shoe against the window. I can see him drunk saying "shoot me". His relationship with Dora also seems incredibly simple, he fell in love with a pretty face, not saying she is terrible, spent some great times, he tried to improved his lot in life by joining the police and stop being a poor gym teacher at 26, but in the end when the grace period passed she just aborted and left. Yeah its enough to break someone.
the moment that broke me was finding out what happened to the Working Class Woman's Husband
Same
It hits a lot harder when you don't follow up with her and find out that her husband might actually be missing, so you just find a completely random corpse and end up getting absolutely blindsided with sadness and undeserved guilt the second you walk in her apartment and find out who she is
*“I should have done more..”*
Oh." She touches her neck, eyes pale like pearls in seawater.
"Oh," she says again, "But he was just..." She looks at the kitchen table, where two cigarette butts are still in the tray.
Empathy: But he was just here. Alive.
"[The Hanged Man] is definitely portrayed tragically for such a bad dude. The psychopathic bravado you see on display in the "Doorgunner Megamix" that earned him the undying hatred of the locals was mostly an act so his squad wouldn't see him as soft, plus it was his warped idea of a joke. While he was unquestionably a terrible person who would do terrible things without much thought, he didn't actually seem to revel in it the way his squad did. It's heavily hinted in your Inland Empire conversations with him/his corpse that underneath everything he's still just the scared little boy who was left in a leaf compactor by his birth family and beaten by his stepdad. This is in sharp contrast to the rest of his squad, who also acts in the way shown by the "Doorgunner Megamix" except it's very, very real and they are definitely not tragic figures." - TV Tropes.
Something a friend pointed out to me that I'm suprised no one else (that I've seen) has ever mentioned is that the voice on the megamix is most definitely actually Ruud. Compare it to the tribunal voice lines and the quality of voice is extremely similar, not to mention that Klassje contradicts the idea that the voice heard is the hanged mans by describing Lely as having a soft voice. Lely is also the only other mercenary that wore full body armor, helmet and all. Meaning that the hardie boys may have actually bugged Ruud, not Lely.
@@leviathan-boogaloo8568 Wow, I never thought that. I'm gonna have to listen carefully next time to see if your friend was right. (They both have the same helmet too, shit).
@@leviathan-boogaloo8568 shit, and Lely was described as having a really unique way of speaking because his scars wasn’t he?
i feel deeply sad for the boy that became hitler everytime i hear about his loveless, failure studded young life...but he still is fucking hitler. the hanged man chose to employ his soldier skills against factory workers. they may be thugs as well but they arent trained killers in the pocket of the privileged. good riddance.
@@leviathan-boogaloo8568 Wouldn't make much sense based on some dialogues the narrative implies ruud was not in Martinaise during until after lely died. Joyce says there were only three and ruby says a mercenary just arrived the day you go aprehend her, the idea being that what held them back was that Rudd wanted to participate in the tribunal and they waited for him.
And also that klaasje knows word for word what lely said on the tape because that was how he talked
I’m only disappointed that the Disco Spoilercast is not the entire podcast, cause holy shit, I want these two to talk about every single character. They’re all great.
yes, I would have loved that ^^
In the end, it was a mysterious and sexy case, huh?
It was disco as fuck
On the island, there's a bit after finding the sniper nest where you can tell Kim you feel like you're being watched, and his response is "yeah, I've felt that ever since we got here"
My first thought was "ah shit, that injury must have really fucked me up to miss that, gonna have to give Inland and Shivers a good talking to"
My second thought was "oh shit, what if that concussion awoke something in Kim"
There is still beauty in this world even if you can't always see it. That is what the Phasmid represents and why its such an effect ending.
It is not the ending though.
@@VashdaCrashit basically is, the part that comes next is basically an epilogue where you get your performance reviewed and you get a bit more context on Harry
@@lov_eli oh, right. I didn't see it that way. You can't do anything else after that either.
Is that a mf TSMZ reference??????
My last half hour in Disco Elysium consisted of me failing TWO guaranteed, "you've done everything right, your minimum roll is above the threshold" checks because of snake-eyes, one of which was "don't spook the Phasmid."
I've never been angrier at a pair of dice, and I've played DnD for almost two decades.
I just failed the phasmid check on a 92%. I didn't savescum much in this game, but I rolled that one back...
I never got the note of the book. At the dream sequence at the ending, inland empire and volition just chimed in and said “phew, that was close, but you avoided the phone, the book, and the notes. That was close”
I got the church, the window, and the bad book in the book store. I understand the church and the book, but without spoilers, what is the window?
she looks like the innocence.
@@GrEyCoBo I don't know, there's at least three important windows in the game: the one where you throw your shoe throught, the one shooted throught with a bullet, and the one you look outside from when sleeping in that old woman's house.
15:20 I've never related to a character more than Harry in this game, and that's not a good or fun thing or something that makes me happy. This game was a very difficult thing to get through and very personally painful and I love it. I don't think I could play it again.
Same. Every time I try to play it again, I just drop it immediatetly. This has been going for two years. I always say this game is the best in history.
Disco contains NPCs and skills and CLOTHING ITEMS that are better characters than party members in lesser rpgs.
Long live the tie
Imagine how much Pat likes this game that he actully give time for the spoilercast to begin instead just go THE END IS COMING! ?)
Disco Elysium is a game that everybody experiences different
It's so good
I have to say, because it's super easy to miss: VOLITION IS ALSO COMPROMISED
Volition is compromised in the complete opposite way of all other stats. Volition wants to keep Harry together, and to that end Volition is strictly against pretty lasses who remind him of The Wife. I honestly find it pretty brilliant. The bias of all the other stats is so obvious that you easily miss the more insidious bias Volition possesses. It only really falters when you face "Dolores" in the dream, and otherwise it keeps up a perfect veneer of "reason" when the truth is that Volition is unreasonably hateful.
I wouldn't call it unreasonably hateful if any mention of Her sends Harry into a suicidal death drop, Volition is just trying to keep you alive. That's like saying a seatbelt is trying to choke you.
@@k.-flynn It is against other reason, because being suspicious of Kladje for instance is not particularly reasonable. She actually does have some shit to her but it's shit you're unaware of. Volition doesn't want her arrested because of evidence, Volition wants her arrested out of spite, and because "letting her go" means Harry won't let go
@@terrenceswiff Drama wants her arrested out of spite, because it's angry she fooled it. Volition even tries to rein drama in when it flips on Klassje. Authority wants to arrest her out of spite, too, because authority is a spiteful bastard. Volition wants to arrest her as a flight risk which... well, she is. As is proven if you choose not to arrest her.
There's also another detail. Volition tries to keep your morale high, it always tells you what you need to hear, tells you that you're doing better than you think, that things are going to be fine. Volition will lie or reassure you in your bad choices just to keep Harry together, it manipulates you like that. Just like Klaasje does.
She sees charm in every one of Harry's fuck ups, plays into his weird questions, makes him feel better about himself.
The irony is that Volition realizes that Klaasje is playing you because she's doing the same thing Volition does. Playing you in the same way.
After years of hearing what Pat will do to stay alive, I don’t think anyone could possibly have less grounds to call someone a pussy for deserting except for actual deserters.
I think the point is that the Deserter did his namesake but then spent FIVE DECADES refusing to move on from the ideology he wasn't brave enough to fight for.
@@Snidhog I mean let's be real, there was no "fighting" they shelled the fucking isola, and then sent in the calvary to mercy kill the stragglers, you'd be an idiot not to run.
@@Snidhog I think it's less about fight for ideology, and more about "good guys" commiting genocide and then him seeing less and less people giving the fuck about this.
@@Snidhog Then there was the phasmid thing. He might have been attracted to the idea of staying there because that place must have felt different from its presence.
I can't properly articulate what the Phasmids reveal did for me, but I almost shrieked and completely forgot about the investigation. I was just ripped out of this shitty world and felt simple, unexpected wonder. You can't come back from that kind of thing without a perspective shift.
Now that I'm thinking about it some more, some of the low points of my life have come around because of a Phasmid reveal. Ya go forward, lacking direction, just trudging to keep yourself one step ahead of giving up, that vague goal you set for yourself is the only thing you have right now. But then you get it, and it didn't do anything. It was never going to be worth it. Nothings fixed, and you now have no direction as a result.
YO WTF IS THAT THOUGH? Wait, that stupid diversion from a million steps back? Why is that here and making me feel alive again? Hahaha, whatever, fuck it, I guess.
A lot of things have been a Phasmid for me.
I cried hardcore-like when the dialogue about HDB being an incredibly sensitive instrument + the bugs cheering your existence on popped up. Shit hit like a goddamn sledgehammer, man.n
Fascism moral quest has you and Measurehead sit down and have a heart to heart. And if you pass the final check you get a new profile picture.
What?! They actually can make you into a racist fascist in this game?! Damn, they didn't hold back.
@@rahjeel you are trying to turn back time to when revachol was once great, only to realize its not possible and that only by becoming a true kingsman can you shoulder the burden.
also its just a metaphor for Harry's relationship falling apart with his wife and him trying to get her back
@@fpejanovic Minor nitpick, they weren't married.
I'm with Pat as far as Evrart Claire is concerned. There's something so charming and funny about his cartoonishly transparent attempts to manipulate you. Additionally, he's fairly layered in complexity: is his leftist rhetoric a way of masking his corruption, or is his performative corruption a way of masking his leftist ambitions?
On top of all that, I've been meaning to say this for a long time: Evrart Claire did nothing wrong. Well, no, he actually did a lot wrong. But, given that he tasked himself with improving Martinaise: cleaning up the drug trade, chasing off the criminal gangs, and lifting the neighbourhood out of poverty; it's easy to understand why he felt he had to get his hands dirty along the way.
Sure, I know it's easy to criticise him, but it's always easy to sit on the sidelines and poke holes in how other people do things, while never actually contributing ideas of your own. It's easy to be a moralist, whining about how people need to work within a system that has already failed them. It's easy to be the Deserter, alone on your island, complaining about the state of the world rather than trying to fix it. What's difficult is letting go of your timidity and need for moral purity, and actually taking steps to improve things for those around you.
But Joyce is so charming tho :/
he is naive and short sighted. There is no way that funding the drug trade to other cities wouldn't backfire back into martinaise eventually.
@@Rotionpotion Not to mention he is willing going to war saying he has the numbers for his scheme and that is proven so wrong on the tribunal encounter.
No, he has tasked to improve Martinaise for himself and those close to him, fuck everyone else, and so he will end up being exactly the same as Wild Pines is right now, with the people still being screwed over anyway.
I suppose it is an example of thinking that what you don't have is better, but corrupt ideologists like Evrart are extremely common here in South America, and we are still trying to recover all that was lost after each one of their idiocies, so I have nothing but hate for him.
*Me who just wants to shoot the bastard and be done with it* alright
In the conversation with Dolores in various topics Woolie chose the third option that finished the line of questioning so he missed a lot about the relationship, and for some weird reason, he is cannoned in his mind that Harry have had to do something terrible to her for the break up.
No, she just left him. Because after the cool period passed, she saw him for what he was, a poor, sad, older man and she bailed. Nothing dramatic happened, nobody's fault, she just left him but Harry couldn't get over it.
It's interesting that the cock carousel was in some sense true (except it was more radical with how Harry say it). She run to find "A PROVIDER"
Yeah it says a lot that he headcanoned in an entire abuse subplot. Woolz tends to talk himself into reasons to hate characters who've made a bad impression on him but it's happened across a few games that he starts seeing abusers or potential abusers. One can sympathize if it's something he gets triggered over.
@@ascendedsleeper7820 Think it’s the thing he says at 13:40 that made he go to abuse as there is not much folk think of when the subject of abortion comes up
There's a line in the Rigorous Self Critique thought that talks about physically holding a woman in a room and stopping her from leaving. It's not necessarily about her, but it's a possibility.
@@ascendedsleeper7820 I think its a fair observation given what woolie knows of harry as a person. you have to remember that until the first day of the game Harry is a repugnant piece of human trash and has ruined every relationship he's had, you start the game on the day he "possibly" pulls himself together but its after years of bullshit.
I remember at the start of the game where I was dirty poor and I needed spare change from any kind so I asked the guy selling clothes on his truck for some money in 'exchange for protection' and Espirit de corps called in telling me about how I had just made the work of one other honest policeman a bit harder. This game truly pulls no punches.
Egghead speaking only in DJ Scooter warms the early 2000s internet area of my heart
None of the previous events mattering I think kinda hints towards the fact that obviously Disco Elysium isn't about the story that unfolds regarding the murder. It's a character study on Harry and his interfacing with the pain of being human, ideology, and other people.
But they do matter. There are so many little things that had to come together for that man to be where he was when he got shot, and then the effects of that death certainly made it even more relevant. I honestly find it silly to say that the previous events didn't matter.
Funny thing is: When I was offered the chance to take a nap, I didn't even consider the potential for a dream or even a final limbic system conversation. All I thought was, this game has given me PLENTY of opportunities to screw myself. I got to the island with the probable killer on it, on a very loud boat. I don't have the time for a nap.
My Harry started out as Sorry Cop and evolved into Superstar Cop as he got his confidence back.
He also turned out to be a communist of sorts because the communist replies were just the funniest to me a lot of the time, and felt like something he'd say snarkily, but turns out Harry's such a blank slate that he said them earnestly. Ha.
Well, the idea is supposed to be that you might fucking die from your serious injuries if you push yourself too hard
If there's one thing that the internet has taught us is that ironically aping political beliefs is a potential step on the path to legitimately believing them
I skipped the dream the first time too. But I kinda like that, my Harry had finally started to move on.
@@johnthomason9980 Accordingly, this is the way Marxists seem to view Irony and Post-Irony. Not as "it's just a joke", but actual reflection of the self.
I knew this game was special and would be one of my all time favourites when I had the phone call with Harry's ex wife. That was fucking crushing man.
"I'm not drunk, or high, I'm just... Hurt. Why does it hurt to talk to you?"
I didn't touch anything having to do with Dolores. I let the letter go, I didn't let my curiosity dig it up. Whatever had happened, Harry lost his memory over it, no reason to dig it up.
I played my detective as a guy who knows he's fucked up, is probably dying and doesn't care about himself but is trying his best to solve this shit for Kim's sake as Kim got stuck with him. So I accept a lot of my characters flaws, so I'm curious if my ending with Harry will be him accepting his emotions about his wife leaving him being potentially his fault.
Nope turns out he does still blame her 😅 but yeah it was an interesting experience especially how Kim noted I didn't drink or do drugs at the end ,which I'm curious how many people have heard that line.
The fact Measurehead wasn't talked about is disappointing.
I can’t believe neither of them mentioned the Tribunal
@@lemonlimecitrus I just finished my playthrough a few minutes ago and holy SHIT I can't believe they didn't mention the Tribunal
spoiler: its explicit in the final-FINAL conversation that the woman was actually Harrier's girlfriend and NOT his wife
Her?
@@bobobsen womp womp mb fixed it
Its also implied along with it that no one REALLY gets married in revachol. Maybe because of the legal twilight they stand on. But its still basically his wife.
@@FlameHidden I mean, there's the middle aged housewife and sword lady who both talk about their husbands.
Fiance?
between mine, pats, and woolies playthroughs, there was still plenty of stuff that made them all special. it really is the type of game you want to go through more than once
Disco remains the greatest game I have ever played, and I've been playing games for 32 years at this point. No other game has made me feel what it made me feel, and no other game created a world as captivating to me. It was nearly perfect, with the only caveat being that you can miss some incredible scenes if you don't make certain choices. My first playthrough was magic, but I can imagine how, with just a few choices, I could have missed many thing that made that game what it is to me, and I might never have gone back to play it again.
I got disco elysium because of you, woolie. I have not been disappointed, at all. So I thank you.
Stay dandy ✌
34:20 Mandatory Shivers prompt? I got it, failed (somehow) wasn't able to re-check it to try and pass again, and ended up entering the building through the sewer pipe.
It's just Pat's Crazy talk activating. Though I think he's more just not wording what he means correctly by when he mentioned it this time. He implies you need to succeed the interaction in order to find ruby. When the game has 2 other ways unrelated to shivers (perception and PI get you through the door). And does the thing with the body where if you fail you just have to do something else for a massive check bonus, if you do go shivers.
"Of course I like Evrart, he's me."
So in terms of the ending and the 'climax' of the game, I think the game has different points to call a 'climax' depending on what part of the game you're most invested in. If you're trying to be the best possible cop, the tribunal is the climax. If you're invested in Harry's personal story of self re-discovery, then the encounter with delores dei is the climax. If the thing that's drawn you most in about the game is the world itself, then you'll probably find the conversation with the deserter to be the game's final note. You could say this about the phasmid encounter, the reunion with station 41, hell, some might even argue that the actual investigation peaks with your encounter with Ruby. It may not have as much variance as the tribunal, but your knowledge of the investigation arguably matters more in that encounter than anywhere else.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS.
*All-out Attack*
*X:Yes* *0:No*
BRRROTHER!
Did you see that shinji? I did a fascist run!
I like the fuck you godfather bit because most people will get to that part assuming Harry was the main factor of the falling out because he's just a really weird and fucked up guy. But then they hit you with that bombshell and it's just... They both fucked up a lot but I think Harry's self-victimization is a little warranted lol. Traumatic enough to induce recurring torturous nightmares thrice a week, I can't even imagine.
The thing is that it's impossible to know how much of that dream was real and how much was Harry's own subconscious flagellation. Even the woman in the dream says many times that she hates "this monster you've turned me into". The details are left ambiguous on purpose.
@@Mantis47 people are too eagar to put all the blame on the male in a relationship when both sides can be equally fucked up. Even with woolies unanimous "oh theres nothing left here afte rthe unconsenting abortion" kinda tries to sidestep fault of dora in the failied engagement.
I find it impossible to do a lot of stuff in Disco Elysium because I never wanna disappoint Kim
NEED MORE DISCO, i'd love an extended discussion after woolie does his new game+.
Me personally, my next playthrough i want to do a HARDCORE, NO SAVESCUM extreme playthro to see if i can actually get to the ending.
Woolie convinced me in like episode 2 to pick the game up. I blasted through it completely blind and wound up missing a lot of the side content (Didn't get far in the church quest, no vision quest which I still didn't do in my second, getting the boots, missed getting either gun but got kim through, list goes on).
But right after I finished it, I did a new playthrough after spoiling everything I really could via the wiki and save scummed through. Got to explore a lot more and in a bit of a different way. It was good fun and honestly now that Woolie is done (though I haven't watched his LP through yet) I'm kinda itchy for a third using a character I built purely to roundhouse Measurehead and punch Cuno.
And TBH getting to the end of the game isn't hard, especially if you bee line for it and play it safe with stuff.
How is this segment so short compared to other topics that are 1 hour long sometimes? Time to figure it out.
Edit: Straight to the point and Woolie wanted to keep it short when he asked about the favorite stat. We could have got 2 extra minutes maybe,
This sucks now that we found out that the dev and writing team has been pushed out by the publishing company to make a more accessible game.
Man, woolie, you didnt fail the check, you told the tie to fuck off with its shit immediatly when it started shouting bratan at you
i'm a little sad neither one realised Volition was also compromised.
I think it's more so that Volition is doing all he can to keep Harry's mental state healthy, and will do his damnedest to steer you away from embarrassing and tormenting yourself. It doesn't misguide Harry, or at least I never had a moment where he misguides Harry, most of the stats have moments, failed check or no, where they desperately want you to go down a certain path, only for Volition moments later to bust in telling you "FUCKING STOP". The best example is when Authority fails at the nightclub and Volition is begging you to stop and apologize.
Volition’s goal is to protect Harry at all costs. Even from himself. Even from the truth.
Compromised Volition really only appears in the dream, where there's genuinely nothing you can do either way
Yeah I noticed that. All the stats are compromised because Klassje reminds Harry of Dora, but Volition recognizes this and is compromised in the *other* direction, where it takes a hard line against her and becomes petty and perhaps unnecessarily resentful of her. It's the same kind of misogynist sentiment that you can find Harry expressing in the Fascist questline.
Disco Elysium is just Pat and Crazy Talk: The Game
I just wanna say if you can't say something about a game without spoiling it for the person playing it, don't say anything. Like the whole thing Woolie mentioned at 6:30 is a big problem i've noticed lately where people really can't just not, y'know? Like sure the game's been out for about three years but don't take the experience away from someone just experiencing it.
Woolie's description of the conversation with Joyce made me think - a picture is worth a thousand words, but the RIGHT thousand words are worth a thousand pictures.
I really loved experiencing the moralist vision questline
In my playthrough Harry didn't have a wife after all.
The weirdest part of disco elysium is hearing people talk about quests and lore that I didn't even know existed.
We ain't even the big uh oh, truly there is no higher oppression than being an anime fan
Some of my favorite stuff are the skills talking to each other.
Another favorite thing of mine is opting to just never see your face. It’s kinda amusing. Not even knowing what you look like.
Considering how much harry "predicted" and said was the case, when it turned out to be true, i wonder if he'd qualify as an innocence
technically Harry was just talking to himself through the Phasmid.
"The tankie communist is saying stuff the nationalist would say" Sounds like the left wing developers of Disco have a pretty accurate assessment of tankies.
i refuse to believe anyone even knows what these words mean.
@@ninmukanryouV they really clearly aren't. they're probably communists, or at least sympathetic to communism, but they aren't tankies
You mean the same devs that have a picture of Stalin in their office?
@@miguelnewmexico8641 tankie becoming a mainstreaming term is equal parts funny and surreal
@@God_gundam36 it’s definitely morphed from whatever it was originally to something very nebulous now, basically someone who claims to be a leftist but seems to more concerned with opposing the United States/NATO’s global hegemony than actually supporting leftist movements?
Like you get a lot of people on twitter with hammer and sickles in their handles and usernames like @/sexylildengist supporting Assad and regurgitating Kremlin bullet points about the “special military operation”
Worst BEST Detective EVER
It will probably be years before I could replay this game. The journey and the choises I managed through the game felt too personal and left be believing that there *_is_* hope for the future of my Sorry Cop, and then maybe for me too.
Man, hearing you guys talk about this makes me feel like I missed so much. Daaarn, looks like I’ve got to do another playthrough!
Certified Wes Andersen Moment.
Never clicked so fast for a cast
I didn't even talk to Klaasje at the start of the game so i only knew her from a glance and all my voices were on lock down trying to see what crack to find while talking to her. I didn't choose any political ideology but never just stay center so i miss a lot but also so a lot of other stuff from the botch of them so it was cool.
I do give Disco Elysium of top games of all time even with 1 game crashing bug to the point I had to wait for a PC patch and restart to finish the game. I do believe Harry's canon stat is 1 2 4 5 and special trait is encyclopedia. If you to believe he is a former gym teacher.
What was the bug exatly?
@@peterwhite6415 there is bug where the church shakes during that the Andre model should be proc the scared emote instead it stand in place without change and your are stuck but if you reload there a chance that game is hard to maneuver and exit the church the whole world become a void of nothing.
@@xdelta92 the pale got him
I've had lots of crashes on the PS4 version, too. Cigarettes and drugs didn't function for me 8 out of 10 times, either. I held them in my hands but couldn't use them.
just got around to finishing the game and it is fascinating how I experienced almost none of the stuff they talked about. A lot of the characters I never even encountered.
Man, I know they gotta keep the lights on but the sheer number of ads on this video drove me insane.
i wonder though. Would woolie have checked all the traps as diligently as he did if he didn't know? He was really animated about his disdain or wahtever for cryptids through the whole game. I bet he wouldve just done the minimum, but instead he was told this is real and that maybe he can find an easter egg that hints at it.
the Inframaterialist of the apocalypse achievement put me in an adderall psychosis for like a month
My favorite stat is a tie between Shivers and Volition. As much as I appreciate Purple Shivers, I was already leaning towards Volition before the Stats Compromised bit.
Also Woolie missed something: Volition doesn't get charmed by Klaasje but it starts over-correcting against her.
IT IS HERE
Is it really?
@@admiralpepper6933 YEAAAAAGH!
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“Is it though?”
That freaking bug in the church tho...i'm still stuck there
if you skip through all the dialogue as fast as you can it fixes it.
I look at this and I'm just pat and wooile lp let's do this
Honest to god, it was kind of a disappointing spoilercast. They just bounced off of one point in the game to another without going into detail or elaborating on it. It probably doesn’t help that Pat hasn’t touched the game in months, which means that all he can do is passively agree with him about something or not elaborate. Woolie didn’t do much better :/
I guess I was hoping for a more in depth discussion about characters and events, something akin to the Westworld S1 spoilercast from the SBFC days.
The lp hasn't finished in this channel yet so
@@Makr0ssHow do u mean, friend? He had been done streaming the game on Twitch for a few days when this podcast came out.
Their spoilercasts are never in depth.
@@FlameHidden I did feel that they have been more in-depth before. Them talking about the Phantom Pain ending as well as the spoilercast for Westworld S1 come to mind. Might be more of a CSB issue tho.
I mean Woolie is still playing another run so Pat didn't want to spoiler it.
10:20 damn wools do you think they are just like the same thing? damn, lets never talk about the molotov-ribbentrop pact ever again.
yeah they are the same, which is why communists were among the groups persecuted by the nazis and also why the ussr helped retake Europe with the rest of the allies
EDIT: I am changing my original comment because after fact checking it, I realized I was wrong and I don't wanna spread misinformation.
Still it doesn't matter that the Shivers check at the end of the game is "mandatory" because you could have a 1 in Shivers and never level it up and still pass the check because every single time you do a sidequest in the game that check gets a +1. Failed the check? Just do another quest you missed.
Welp, mind goblins are at it again :/
Are you sure about that? I remember that being after the shivers check, where you can either "teleport" up the ladder or break into the door below. The shivers check is to confirm that you need to get into the building at all.
「Crazy Talk」at work again.
im sure theres probably something to what hes saying but lets just agree hes wrong cause it bothers him
poor guy
8:50 yeah I can tell this guy is a centrist
On my first playthrough i decided i wanted to never learn who i am, was really sad that throwing away the note ended up being pointless cause you just learn everything in the end anyway
Just finished the game, I can't believe how good this game is, and can't wait to see what's next from this studio!
nobody tell them
I got the cleaning out the rooms and wasteland of reality thoughts so i didn't see her or anything about an abortion. I think having both at once is harry actually healing.
God I need to replay this game.
Kinda disappointed honestly. Didn't really get as indepth as I expected/wanted them too. Not much perspective on klassje, hardies, ruby, the task force or anything that wasn't the case/wife.
2:55 for real go on the youtube video for him and theres people quoting him
Its gonna sound suspicious but I like more Evrart because he is straight to point and he is blunt and doesnt hide shit, Joyce is kind of mysterious and usually people that act that way are more dangerous than people like Evrart(Edgar) because he is straight and know what to expect.
HARDCORE!
5:58 Bro I didn't know that was a Foreshadowing to the talk tuah with Haliey aka hawk tuah girl
Although I haven't watched it honestly.
Volition is generally reliable.
He was never even MARRIED to Dora.
They dated for a year. It’s been up to 6 years since they broke up
Should the spoilercast really be releasing before the LP on this channel is finished? Should ppl who are still watching watch this now or not?
No, they mention some end-game details. Best you not watch it, unless you don’t care for spoilers :)
DO NOT. They also did the 13 Sentinals spoilercast when the stream finished not when the LP vods finished. As a rule get to the end of the game totally before listening to spoilercast
27:12 THE RACE WAR STARTS NOW
One of the best games ever made.
you can miss a lot of quests pat
So does having strong set of skills change how you perceive the game? mine was empathy, visual calculus, and perception was my strongest talkers the whole game, but I also had shivers and logic and physical instrument chime quite often too? I never trusted shivers too paranoid for me.
They do. The stats stating what they're like when they're high will show them doing just that. While you may be able to figure out something logical for one play through. Say next time you go full unga bunga and all your problems look like nails and YOU'RE THE HAMMER. If you've only played through once, a second playthrough is so much more rewarding.
Hope in future podcasts you can fill us in on how the fascist route goes, Woolie :)
Too nervous to look up vids on it, but it's the one I'm the most curious on how it goes.
Why are you nervous? It's a game.
It's deliberately miserable much like being a facist irl would be
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@@rahjeel It's mostly because I'd hate to see Kim just putting up with Harry (for as long as he does, anyway). I'm aware it's a game. Games can cause certain emotions. And because I know how good this game is, I know it would be very skilled at getting under your skin. Like second hand embarrassment in a way?
7:40 or so
so basically you have the inverse of Crazy Talk?
It's more like you're a Malkavian from Vampire: The Masqurade. Like you know EXACTLY what's going on (even if it's future stuff), but you can't quite say what is going on except in a crazy round about way. Or the simple fact that what IS going on is so insane no one would believe you (like the phasmid). Harry doesn't have reverse Crazy Talk/Waaagh energy where what he says becomes true cause he says that's how it should be. He's just really good at knowing what IS true, though can't quite prove it until it happens.
something that come-up very fucking often with dora's portray through the game, is her being abusive toward Harry.
it seem like they started as a good relationship founded on hope and love, and it devolved overtime as Harry started spiralling while she started to resent him in general.
somethign that does come-up very often whenever Harry think of her, is her being abusive toward him tho'.
could be him projecting his self-loathing but it's not something he attribute to single characters as defining traits despite often having flashbacks and hallucinations of peoples he met.
there's always a bit of self-loathing Harry project on others, but it seem like with dora, it's a defining personnality-trait he has assigned to her, again could be projecting, but i don't think so.
as for the biggest no-no, the abortion/miscarriage.
-if we go with abortion, almost every interpretations you could pull from it would be EXTREMELY BAD.
-if we go with the miscarriage, it's probably the straw that broke the camel's back, and personnally that's what i believe.
She aborted his kid because he wasn't anything close to rich, had drug/alcohol issues, and was an extreme workaholic, thus distant. Both could be said to be at fault but she was undeniably the villain.