The Forefathers of Estonians
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This video is about the male lineages of Estonians - a people from Northeastern Europe. Its purpose is to promote Estonians living abroad to participate in the genetic research.
You can order DNA test here:
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More info about the genetic ancestry of Estonians:
/ estoniaproject
Patreon: / eastory
Sources:
1) Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup N: A Non-trivial Time-Resolved Phylogeography that Cuts across Language Families.
www.ncbi.nlm.n...
2) Extensive farming in Estonia started through a sex-biased migration from the Steppe.
www.biorxiv.org...
3)The Genetic History of Northern Europe
www.biorxiv.org...
4)The Neolithic Transition in the Baltic Was Not Driven by Admixture with Early European Farmers
www.cell.com/cu...
5) Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
www.nature.com/...
6) Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia
www.nature.com...
7) Phylogenetic tree N-M231. Author: Georg Dunkel
www.kolumbus.fi...
estonian accent
Today I learned where the producers of History Channel's Vikings got the accent used in that show.
Jah, nii on, meie aktsent on konkreetne, nagu meie keel. 😃🇪🇪
Yes
Rõve rõske Eesti inglise aktsent😂😂😂
Very Good. I love that you answered the question with halpogroups and not just cultures. Looking at your channel, I'm guessing that your interest here was on the Estonia angle, but you should do one in this style on broad worldwide halpogroups. you explained that very well, it was very interesting.
Do this for more nations!
estonian eastory
as interesting that is not that many people are going to drop $100 on it
estonia has it free...
Funny thing you chose 'Aitor' as the name of one of the Estonian forefathers, since Aitor is the mythological ancestor of all basque people.
It's intentional, as it is meant to symbolize the Pre-Indeo-European population of Europe.
Eastory Really interesting video ! But why to choose Aitor if he came from the "Balcan genetic pool" and not from the "Basque" Pyrenee refuge?
Really brillant video !
Thanks! Aitor was to symbolize the Pre-Indo-European people of Europe. As Proto-Basque is the only well-known language spoken in Europe before the arrival of Indo-Europeans, we chose the name of a fictional patriarch of the Basque people to represent them. The choice has less to do with the genetic ancestry of modern Basque people, but more with their culture/language.
yes and the meaning comes from Hai tor as the Armenians call themselves Hai of Hai-astan and Tor means grandchild or offspring...The Basque are the tors of the Armenians..see the works of Robert Ellis...and others...
Aras is ancient Turkish name which still using. And Aras migrating from Central Asia like my ancestors did it into Anatolia. Interesting.
Cool style and well put information. Greetings from Lithuania!
dont stop making these videos your bound to take off eventually just give it time
You are using "direct descendant" incorrectly. If you are I1 for eg doesn't mean you aren't a direct descendant of hundreds of men who carried r1a
Yeah, good point, we should have used "patrilineal descendant" in this case.
N1 is R1's third cousin or something. R and N both descend from K.
@@hersirivarr1236 Yes but their womens are from different origins,hence overwhelming differences.
@@hersirivarr1236 yes they both descended from K near east india and travelled through tibetan plateau ,where one branch went to south and another one to europe.
@@sabhrestman6644 , nope. The Indo-Europeans develope in current day eastern Ukraine and conquered Indian. Return to swimming in the Ganges, dravindian.
Hi from a Chinese person with Y-DNA haplogroup N (the main marker of Finno-Ugric / Uralic peoples) lol. I'm a descendant of Kalev too :')
Hap N originated in Southern China thousands of years ago and then it split from Hap O. Hap N was brought to Northern Europe via the Urals by Siberian reindeer herders migrating in. Hap NO is an originally East Asian Y DNA group but the N part split off and is now both Northern European and East Asian.
i think majority of the chinese are cousins of kalev as in haplogroup NO. something major happened with kalev and his cousins, perhaps a conflict and then kalev decided to venure northwest. you thought descending from kalev means that you probably have ancestry from north china or siberia?
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o NO separated from one another about 38,000 years ago. After which N underwent a strong bottleneck period and most are now descendants of the N1-L735 branch descended from the same male ancestor 18,000 years ago (except N2-Y6503 branch predominantly found in the Balkans today, among Serbs). So I'd say O is not so closely related, but N1 is fairly close. O is extremely common in East & Southeast Asia (>80-90% of the male population) today, but we are left with only less than 5% of Haplogroup N in most areas of East Asia.
@Toivo58479 I am actually from Singapore, but of Chinese ancestry because my great grandparents migrated from China to Singapore about 4 generations (~100+ years ago). Actually some earlier studies have placed the origin of Haplogroup N in Southern China because of the N1b-F2930 lineage which was grouped as N1*-L735 or N*-M231 at the time. However later studies at this point usually place the origin of Haplogroup N closer to Northern East Asia (around northern China). At the moment we have the highest diversity of basal subclades (N1a-F1206, N1b-F2930 and N2-Y6503 which is more common in the Balkans today among Serbs, it was also likely a lineage found in the ancient Scythians). Also archaeogenetic testing to support these findings that the origin of N was likely in northern China rather than the south.
I must mention that sadly not only ethnic Estonians are included in genetic testings, which means that they're a little inaccurate. Besides, it depends where are the people from even inside Estonia. Northern and Western Estonians are genetically more mixed with Finns and Swedes and Southern Estonians with Balts. So percentages may change rapidly depending of the region.
This video is underrated. The humor is great lmao
cool video
Survive the Jive *deep breath* V E R Y
Finno Ugric
WE WUZ THE FINGOLIAN KHAGANATE
There is no way you can look at the modern baltic/finish populations and think their phenotype is urgic, I dont know why you'd want to self apply "urgic" to yourself anyways.
Oh I have the Kalevipoeg on my bookshelf.
Greetings from a Hungarian :)))
It's really cool how science has found something that could very well have been part of legend. So there is some truth to the myths of founding tribes after all!
usually myths arent all false
This is so well done, the closest I've been to Estonia was when I visited Lithuania, LOL. I hope you keep on making videos.
@Rusty Shackleford closest I have been to Estonia is the local shopping mall.
@@einbatixx4874 the closest I’ve been was when I visited Israel or Netherlands idk which one is closer
This is so interesting. Doing some research, it was nearly impossible to find anything conclusive about where the hell you forest people came from. awesome video
Väinämöinen (from Kalevala) = Väina+maine = Strait+lander
Väina meri = Strait Sea
Väina jõgi = the river Väina / river Viena
There was a meltwater watershed to the south of the Baltoscandian ice shield, which spanned from the White Sea, Viena to the Väina, Vistula, Oder, and to the Straits of Denmark and Kattegat. That watershed moved around as the glacier edge moved around. The seals have adapted to the whole range of that watershed. After the glacier melted away, that watershed formed the Baltic Ice Lake and / or the Baltic Sea (and the White Sea). And one name for that watershed was Väina (Strait Sea), thus the people called themselves Väina+maised. The other name for it was Valg (valg+ala), which literally means a watershed, the english language cognate is Fall/Flow and the finnish cognate is valu. Thus the Baltic Sea and White Sea both derive from the Fall area, not from 'white'. In estonian language, both have the same form: valge valgus valgub alla jõeoru põhja (white light flows down to the bottom of the river valley).
The edge of the glacier is what gave name to Eesti (finnic este), Aesti, Estmere, Vistula, Weichelian glaciation. That cognate spans from IE to uralic to ket to native american na dene languages.
Where do estonians come from? We are the descendants of the paleolithic Swidry culture from the shores of Väina.
Really interesting video, I have always been big into European history, and as I start to branch out further away from western Europe, the Baltics have been an area I have found myself really interested in, and stuff like this, with the history and anthropology coming together, is great.
I really like your animated frontline maps too, keep it up man. Great content, I subscribed.
Eesti samurai makes more sense now.
I know very little of Estonia and Estonian culture - but I can tell you, Estonian is the most interesting language that I've ever heard!
your name, valik, means "choice" in estonian!
america in this sense is boring. Most people Know exactly the who, what, when, where, and how of their ancestors journey and settlement in America. And since our whole thing is "being melted together into a single american culture" many of us wouldn't even know if we were estonians! I happen to know my great great grandfather was estonian because he moved to poland to work in the coal mines, where his son worked, who raped a woman and that woman gave birth to my grandfather and then killed herself. (history is history im not going to whitewash my own past) the fact is my family is quite large again as ww2 ravaged it, but one side is alive because of a rape, thus im alive because of rape.
this does not make rape acceptable. Just the question of what to do with any potential pregnancies. If it was common back then to abort rape babies my family wouldn't exist. Major military missions lead by both by great grandfathers, grandfathers, and my dad himself (ironically fighting on opposite sides, most of the time lol) I respect my father alot and my families martial tradition. I tried to join up and serve with my father, he joined in his 50's, but because i had "eczema" they couldn't give me the mandatory smallpox shot and i wasn't allowed to enter west point despite already having been accepted and passed every test...80 pushups in 3 minutes, 5 minute mile, 200+ sit ups *UGH*
As an American I know of ancestors from 1731 or the English Civil War. There is even a German shovel blade on the farm from the first tools brought off the boat. It really depends on the family cohesion.
That's quite a surprise.
Best story to tell on first dates. :))
Very nice, thanks for the effort of making it.
We have a cat named Lehmä, (which means "cow" in English). Yes, black-and-white, right here ua-cam.com/video/BGieC5T8jYY/v-deo.html
Can you do a video on the languages of these 5 ancestor guys or people who spoke regional languages like Ingrian, Karelian, Veps, Votic, Võro, Ludian, etc.
Thank you very much for this video. I'm finding that Estonians are very proud of their country and heritage. Are there any other resources I might find to learn more about Estonia?
Took a quick look, and it seems that if you are interested in history, then Wikipedia is still the best option: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Estonia
You can also try *visitestonia* or google Estonia + food, heritage sites, music, festivals, etc.
Or come visit :)
Hyvä ja mielenkiintoinen video! Hea viideo :)
I counted the greats. There is exactly 198. 200 generations when you include generations included in grandfather.
54+144+2.
If you thought tracing ancestry of Estonians is hard, try it with someone whose origins are spread out on at least 3 continents.
Artyom Metro Are you a New Worlder by chance?
Very interesting. My DNA test says I am 5% Finnish-Estonian... probably from Viking times, I think.
Luis G A what is the rest of your dna
This could be true, but Viking was a profession done by multiple ethnic groups and if youre using the word "Viking" as a code word for Norse people, i will inform you that Finns and estonians are not scandinavian, scandinavians are North germanic, Finns and Estonians are Uralic, they have a different origin.
Southern Finland**
Finland's booze cellar
You mean mainland Estonia, Finland is Northern Estonia
Western Russia**
BrancaLeone You mean Russia is Eastern Estonia. 👌
Wombit Think big. 👌
"Eurasia" Instead of the Middle East? Sneaky.
calling middle asia middle east would be missleading
Estonian cannot into Nordic.
Nordic cannot into Estonia
Gunterix can not speak English... I am Swedish, Estonia is a Nordic country now like Finland.
how do you say 12 months in Estonian ?
Carl Assquatch , “kaksteist kuud” now say it out loud mate.
Nordic can into estonia
Nice way of explaining genetic history. I believe this should be treated as a standard pedagogy technique because it feels a bit more personal than R1N1 and H1N1
Not that hard to remember simple haplogroup names.
I'm one of Ragnars descendants :)
Were did they originally come from?
Afrika
Why the polish Eagle? Poles are Slavs, and Slavs are Schythians and Sarmatians
@@samvodopianov9399 Yes. But he can be of ragnar descendant and his family just moved to Poland in some time in history.
@@ewok4907 Alright.
So you are a Proto-European.
Hello Oscar! :D
Hello baltic brother :D
I don't understand. Were people with N haplogroup originally mongoloid or european? If 1/3 of estonians carry haplogroup N, which came from Siberia and is supposed to mean that we are somewhat mongoloid, then why on the earth do 95% of us look like europeans from Northern Europe?
Your appearance is greater determined by your autosomal DNA aka recent ancestry within the past few hundred years instead of your distant patrilineal DNA (Y-DNA) which is passed down from generation to generation for thousands of years. I am 100% Chinese in terms of autosomal DNA, I don't look European at all yet I also have Haplogroup N (though very few Chinese carry this Haplogroup nowadays, only about 3 to 7%). :) in my opinion since Haplogroup N originated in Northeast Asia our distant patrilineal ancestor should be Mongoloid / East Asian in appearance. Estonians and Finns today look North European because of European matrilineal DNA and autosomal DNA.
In fact there are also other Finno-Ugric / Uralic speakers like the Nenets, Nganasan, Khanty and Mansi who look very Northeast Asian as well.
original haplogroup N carriers were asian but when the N carrier populations migrated to europe over 1000's of years they became what they look like today by mixing with the local populations
Nobody:
Mart: My name is Oscar!
Y DNA N Folks were once very numerous in the Yellow River Area. They were part of a relatively advanced civilization compared to Europe at the time. Chi You (who fits the Thor description) lost the Yellow River Plain in the battle of Zhoulo about 2500 BCE. Forged edged weapons, horses & chariots were said to have been used by Chi You & company. Opponents broke a dam upstream & flooded the valley where his army was camped to break their power. This may have started the migrations of Huns, Turks, Kushans, Cumans & N tribes to the west. The last Tangut XiXia kingdom was smashed 1150 1200 AD in wars. https:pbs.twimg.com/media/C1BZbiJUAAEKMvs.JPG
Neat. I've met a lot of cool people from Estonia online, it's nice to learn a little of their very early history.
Just remember that human prehistory is A THEORETICAL RECONSTRUCTION.
We don't know anything, it's just guesswork.
NotOrdinaryInGames we doo know that there was some people or culture for these Ancestors, Fpr the timeframe we have an idea based on the mutatiions but, its half guesswork, Their motives are completely guesswork, Their Movements are fact supported by DNA lineage. Its wrong to call it all guesswork or else you'll give someone a misconception on purpose on the study of prehistory.
NotOrdinaryInGames
*>We don't know anything*
Yes we fucking do, you brainlet
The wise man knows that he knows nothing.
It is good to have epistemic humility but to say we don't know anything is going too far. In fact guesswork itself relies on some degree of certainty of knowledge. We don't know everything and even what we know may have details that are subjected to change but we aren't blind either.
Noh ma elan seal
Hint: Estonian lauenge
You forgote Y Haplogroup Estonians carriers of following Haplogroup : T (3.5% Sumerian),E1b1b (2.5%) (mostly E-V13,a E-M78 subclade) J2 (1%)(Anatolian and Caucasian),Q (0.5%) (Mongolian)...
A good and thorough DNA-Test costs between 60 to 600 Dollars!
With that in mind, people rather waive the opportunity to get to know your ancestors better! LoL
Ive got norwegian ancestory and can wiggle my ears.
neat
My DNA 🧬 test came out 100% Persian!
You likely have 1% Arabic DNA😊
R1a (Aras), I2(Aitor), R1b(Daghda), N1c1/N1a1(Kalev), I1(Ragnar)
Why not also add J2 (Muhmad) and E1b (Hamudi)
A very interesting video! I found this channel whilst looking through the subscriptions of a new subscriber. The cartoon look and feel is really well used. Definitely worth subscribing and supporting.
There are less than 1.5 million Estonians? how are you guys still a country lol. Great video and please p(R)oduce more, more quickly... cheers!
Around 1.1M to be exact.
In Estonia there are less than a million, since a quarter of the population is Russian
My Ydna haplogroup is R1B, I'm an American of mainly European background (over 95%) Celtic, Scandinavian, German. My very last immigrant ancestors arrived to the Republic of Texas in 1845, they were from a country which no longer exists: Prussia. They were from the Altmark region. My surname is Irish though but they arrived between 1680 and 1740.
Damm, really intrigued by the topic.
I love Estonia
I could listen to this narrative all day... the accent brings back memories of my childhood & my Estonian Grandfather.
An accent very rarely heard in Australia 💙🖤🤍
Great Video! Congrats from South-East Asia. #DistantRelative #Awesome.
they just mixed up balkans and baltics and decided to stay
We all need to appreciate the thumbnail
0:33 I love your drawings dude lol I'm binge watching all your old content im new here don't mind me
Why do you only have 17k subs.
Ok, but probably you descend from all the others too, but you didn't get the Y from them, the same way my daughter is my descendant though she didn't get my Y-chromosome.
Note: the R1b to Europe route likely did not involve Western Asia and the south of the Caucasus. Both R1b and R1a likely came directly via Siberia, and that is assuming that they didn't already reach Europe before the R1b and R1a mutations were accumulated. The knowledge of details of the timings would be greatly helped by Eastern European and Siberian ancient DNA samples from 20,000 BC to 15,000 BC.
Are u Estonian? Cuz u hv Estonian accent.
You made a slight mistake, every estonian is a descendent of all five, however the percentages are those of men who have a direct line of men descending from those 5
How it's possible to know where were they born :D ?
i think certain ethnic groups have similar gene mutations due to reproducing in the same area, so it can be determined by tracking the mutations. but im not really sure
Great animation
Таллин очаровательный город! Не была там с 1988 года.
“First oFF all”, “founT” - wondered it you were German, but your phrase ending was different.
Привет из Севастополя!
priezai, xopo4im ljudjam radi
I came across this 7 years later but this is awsome
Honeslty hearing about Estonian history is interesting.
I am interested in a rare name which my forefather had, "Argo." We have narrowed our Scandinavian ancestry to Finland roughly, maybe Estonia. i see more people on FB named Argo than any other country except US. Any suggestions what to do?
Finland is not scandinavia.
-Makes up names for ancestors to simplify
-calls them ajdhsj, kaajgsjska and zhshehaj like a chad
Furthermore it isn't a simplification for those who already know about these haplogroups, because now we will have to carry 2 pieces of information with us- the haplogroup names we are familiar with and the newly made names; and correlate the two throughout the video.
Huh, you know that you are exactly 176 generations removed from Arras, eh?
A Jim Fan thats only 4000 years
Such an awesome accent :)
It means that Estonians are Illyrian hahah fuck yea
Can Estonia into Nordic
We love you Oskar..
super
I can move my ears too! Estonian heritage confirmed.
Lorenz Kiraly yo my mom can do that too and shes finnish
0:48 biology teacher rages
Thanks for the interesting video. I am Estonian, and had my DNA tested. As my ancestors went to the Americas, and traveled across The Bering Strait land bridge, this makes me descended from the Haplo Group Q.
Could have been better with the actual names instead of the fake first names, because that was not really needed I think. Haplogroup A - F-M89 - I-M170 - I-M438 - I-S2606 here.
7:15 Oskar i am your great x18 Grandfather
Actually, its great ×191 grandfather.
I did, the math
Great video.
I'm enjoying your videos and I look forward to many more.
Greetings from Australia
🇦🇺😎👍💯
My earliest know patrilineal ancestor was born in the Suwalki Region of Poland, but he is a descendant of Kalev. My YDNA Haplogroup is N.
I think this man is estonian
Uhm the indo Europeans brought pastorilsm horses chariots and cattle the population of Europe was already practicing agriculture because of the Neolithic farmers who diluted hunter gatherer dna to almost nothing after several thousand years
Kalev intrugies me, I wonder if he is the ancestor of non-chinese asians like the siberian asians and other non-han chinese or europeans? I'm ethnic Chinese and we have a legend about being hunted down for our european features and that many of our brethens went to siberia/europe. It would explain the Fin/Siberian link with asia. I know it's just legend but the DNA thing is very truthful in the history of things.
I'm a finn, and i know my ancestors have lived in Lost Karelia since the 1600s
Wait, so did the Hunter gatherers diminish, or did they just not populate as rapidly and so were behind the curve leading to a greater proportion of Arras' descendants? As in, were they being killed by the newcomers or simply out-rabbited?
Before 1000ce no such countries existed.
Kiev Russ region from Scandinavian people.
This channel is great!
Esty is a cross between the Balts, Norway and the Saami. (Norway is the least).
By the Finno-Ugric, they are related only to the Sami line, no more.
Among the Finns, the percentage of crossbreeding with the Sami is greater, and with the Balts it is less, that's all.
In the top, for the education of the author.
Are you living in estonia
This is your best video.
Just so you know, us baltic states are in northern europe, not eastern
Markizas Karabasas meaningless semantics. Nobody in the west gives a shit.
Let them stay ignorant and thus maintain that reputation
No we're not.
North-Eastern Europe.
If Poland is "eastern Europe", then so is Estonia. In fact so is Sweden. I love when people in the north Baltics or Scandinavia are so insecure that they are anything but "eastern", but when they talk about someone else that is actually more west than them, that's supposed to be ok.
great intuitive animation!!!
I am I2 > L621 > PH908 > Z16983. I am from Montenegro.
i went to the site to help freely the research by giving my DNA and feeling proud to help the research and... what ? I have to pay ! Sorry guys , the sience will wait.
But I don't think they have such kind of DNA test in most 3rd world countries which means the whole human genome library is far from complete or even just correct.
Slavs are so cool that they didn't even know where are they from ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Problem we have my dude as Americans. All genetic information given to these companies is able to be accessed by the government and used agains you in a court of law, and also used to track your relatives
are you estonian?
Aaah, tallinna... our adult Disneyworld/Vegas.
DNA test. You could lose ownership of your own DNA to the testing company!
nagu uuem arvamus pole kreoomid zoomid kõigega seotud mingi algpuhtuse idee