What are Haplogroups and does it matter?

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  • Опубліковано 11 лис 2017
  • Haplogroups don’t constitute a large part of the genome but they do tell us about a few of our ancient ancestors. Can r1a and r1b haplogroups tell us anything about the proto-indo-Europeans and the corded ware and yamnaya? This video also shows how Y-DNA haplogroups correspond with ancient patrilineal traditions.
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  • @I_leave_mean_comments
    @I_leave_mean_comments 4 роки тому +439

    I'm G2a... which means the original neolithic farmers... which means the Indo-Europeans came in to my country and took my land. I WANT REPARATIONS!

    • @denisdutka7967
      @denisdutka7967 3 роки тому +18

      So am I. Mine is a branch that mixed with the Yamna R1b and R1a as they turned left onto Central Europe. G-L42 is mine and it was found 6 years ago in East Ukraine and Moldova. It's really sad that our line is almost entirely extinct. We are pretty rare. Almost my entire genetic makeup is strictly European, but realizing what happened to my paternal line all those years ago makes me uneasy.
      My current last name from my paternal line is in Southwest Poland, near Katowice.

    • @I_leave_mean_comments
      @I_leave_mean_comments 3 роки тому +37

      @@denisdutka7967 "Mine is a branch that mixed with the Yamna R1b and R1a as they turned left onto Central Europe"
      Ahh... so you're not the REAL G2a then? You're a G2a race traitor! Your ancestors went along with the R1a/b invaders! You owe me reparations!!

    • @taokuoh6805
      @taokuoh6805 3 роки тому +6

      How do you find out your haplogroups?

    • @I_leave_mean_comments
      @I_leave_mean_comments 3 роки тому +13

      @@taokuoh6805 DNA test.

    • @taokuoh6805
      @taokuoh6805 3 роки тому +4

      @@I_leave_mean_comments Ooh there dodgy. But I do wanna know the exact break down of the haplogroup. But if Northwestern Europeans are all the same then it doesn't matter I suppose.

  • @A_Koenig
    @A_Koenig 6 років тому +565

    I love how you consistently manage to reconcile the scientific with the traditional - very Indo-European indeed!

    • @evalunaluna5736
      @evalunaluna5736 4 роки тому +21

      basically science confirms all the ancient indoeuropean myths... look at the fact the grave of Aenes of Troy has been found in Latium, or the fact Schliemann discovered the City of Troy at the end of 1800.

    • @ia8018
      @ia8018 4 роки тому +18

      indo-european is a linguistic category not genetic

    • @evalunaluna5736
      @evalunaluna5736 4 роки тому +28

      @@ia8018 a linguistica category that follows only particolar nations with the same genetic pattern.

    • @Theblackhand1937
      @Theblackhand1937 3 роки тому +1

      Can't argue with science

    • @rudeigin
      @rudeigin 3 роки тому +1

      @Rex Paganus Oh my sky father! Your comment itself is some first class Indo-european syncretic thinking 👍🏻

  • @flake452
    @flake452 6 років тому +976

    Its okay to be Indo-European.

    • @earlefrost5512
      @earlefrost5512 5 років тому +112

      Its also ok to be any group of humans at all. We are all equal in all the things that really and truly count.

    • @christofergeriel5168
      @christofergeriel5168 5 років тому +8

      Islam Islam, actually, they were steppe knights from the Bronze Age.

    • @aluapzurc2
      @aluapzurc2 5 років тому +147

      @@earlefrost5512 Go away woman

    • @SinghSaab62456
      @SinghSaab62456 4 роки тому +30

      @@crazycosco5657 great calculation, that was the real world before islam, where every body living peacefully with harmony, islamic cult has to go, muslim should covert to Christen or they should go back to there old belief.

    • @SinghSaab62456
      @SinghSaab62456 4 роки тому +20

      @@dr.lexwinter8604 German also believe in vedas before 2000 ago. a large group of Hindus also worship Vedas instead of Idol.

  • @robfictionwriter3310
    @robfictionwriter3310 6 років тому +386

    Haplogroup is only one line (either father to father or mother to mother). Therefore 6 out of your 8 grand parents will be not be represented in your haplogroups. So on an individual level haplogroups are limited. However, on a population level they are not. If 80% of men in population are R1b then that is significant.

    • @AEye-zk2sb
      @AEye-zk2sb 6 років тому +18

      Rob Fiction Writer it's good to have more family members tested to get a bigger picture

    • @robfictionwriter3310
      @robfictionwriter3310 6 років тому +18

      I think that would be a really good idea, sadly not many of my family left. DNA does open up a whole new dimension for family historians. I diid a video on haplogroups in the UK, problem is it is very difficult to do the topic justice.

    • @YummYakitori
      @YummYakitori 4 роки тому +26

      2 out of 4 grandparents* not 6 out of 8. How the hell do you have 8 grandparents?

    • @CaomhanOMurchadha
      @CaomhanOMurchadha 4 роки тому +1

      @@AEye-zk2sb absolutely. They have made incredible discoveries in my family within the past couple years. Very exciting.

    • @teofilol2666
      @teofilol2666 Рік тому +5

      1 out of 4 grandparents if you're a female.

  • @Adrian-kz2hs
    @Adrian-kz2hs 6 років тому +549

    It's okay to be lactose-tolerant.

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT 6 років тому +53

      a very indo-european lactose-tolerant

    • @13bravoredleg18
      @13bravoredleg18 5 років тому +22

      Adrian
      Your comment made me shit my pants!😳

    • @palebluedot7435
      @palebluedot7435 5 років тому +5

      Common in blacks as well lol need for cows in recent years least common in Asians

    • @andresbautista8920
      @andresbautista8920 5 років тому +18

      Milk is for baby cows

    • @nondvcordvco4244
      @nondvcordvco4244 5 років тому +2

      I'm R-L-21

  • @joelastlight7162
    @joelastlight7162 6 років тому +243

    In the past we had Corded Ware people.Time moves on and we evolve into Tupperware people.......great just great.

    • @mememem
      @mememem 6 років тому +15

      I don't know about you but I'm more of a Globular Amphora person myself.

    • @weansardman
      @weansardman 6 років тому +14

      Joe Lastlight pffft...I’m one of the casserole dishware people. Haha

    • @muddywaters8706
      @muddywaters8706 6 років тому +8

      My wet pallet for model painting is an old tupperware container, I'll have to paint up some plastic Corded Ware mini's and complete the cycle.
      We're Doomed.

    • @WeAreSMC96
      @WeAreSMC96 6 років тому +4

      To be honest I haven’t really evolved from the pyrex people… but I heard we are somehow related

    • @Damremont18
      @Damremont18 5 років тому +2

      And how do they tie into the Malware people???!!! A sinister evolution attributable only to environmental factors, I'm sure. Fascinating.

  • @slappy8941
    @slappy8941 6 років тому +565

    It's okay to be R1a.

  • @backpressure123
    @backpressure123 6 років тому +41

    Good point. Haplogroups only trace two lines (dad's dad's dad's and mom's mom's mom's) out of thousands of lines that make up your genealogical pyramid.

  • @ruseriberarebel2425
    @ruseriberarebel2425 6 років тому +119

    Thank you for being so rigourous, and at the same time, being so easy to understand in your explanations. It sheds a lot of light.

  • @Jamestele1
    @Jamestele1 3 роки тому +64

    I appreciate your measured, academic, and respectful treatment of these topics. As an adoptee/ bastard, I enjoy hearing your lectures/ videos on European cultures/origins (They remind me of my favorite University classes). Many "academics" ignore or even belittle the European ancient history. I love all cultrue, from Mesopotamia to Nordic paganism. So this is a great place to hang out, take a break, change my altitude, and learn.

    • @Jamestele1
      @Jamestele1 3 роки тому +2

      I mean "culture". My spelling is shite!

    • @shuvayougoswami1162
      @shuvayougoswami1162 Місяць тому +2

      same, different cultures are just fun to learn about. living in a county like india i've always been surrounded by a plethora of communities

  • @xxxfirehuunterxxx
    @xxxfirehuunterxxx 6 років тому +113

    "Last chromosome determines your sex"
    Transsexuals triggered

  • @theodoricthegoth4027
    @theodoricthegoth4027 3 роки тому +21

    As Varg has said “If you want to know who you are, look in a mirror.”

    • @vulpesinculta9253
      @vulpesinculta9253 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Jordi_Llopis_i_Torregrosa96 He`s right with that point though, is he not? A mirror is a true DNA test.

    • @baldroinnsson783
      @baldroinnsson783 Місяць тому

      ​@@Jordi_Llopis_i_Torregrosa96the point is that it just matter the person who is infront of the mirror...nothing more

  • @redtony58
    @redtony58 6 років тому +172

    I'm very proud of my happygroup. We get together and drink mead , tell stories , carouse and have fun.

    • @danielelliott95
      @danielelliott95 5 років тому +2

      I-M253? Same!!

    • @anyakosta364
      @anyakosta364 3 роки тому +1

      Wow so Mjöd is mead huh?
      In Russian it reads as honey
      And one of the original drinks was from honey......

    • @anyakosta364
      @anyakosta364 3 роки тому

      @Banankaka Ärgott its interesting.....Russian name for bear
      Is mjöd ved literally translates as the one that knows honung....haha
      Vet in Swedish is to know also huh
      We use ved ...its close
      But we do use other Russian word to say know the old Russian or slavic is known to us but we dont use it much in a convo....yet....other different countries areas may do....all depends where you live....maybe

    • @anyakosta364
      @anyakosta364 3 роки тому +1

      @Banankaka Ärgott
      Of course we are connected
      The name of Svei......
      Is now day Russian name svoi.....
      Which in all western slavic means
      Theirs aka deras......and in old Norse
      Has the same meaning.....but in Russian it has 2 meanings....still now
      Theirs is a different name in Russian all together....and matches the western slavic word
      But svoi means mine of my own and hence also means ours....our own
      Svoi exactly means of my own people
      Lol haha
      ......I would assume people that moved west used this word without wanting to associate
      Lol......

    • @anyakosta364
      @anyakosta364 3 роки тому +1

      @Banankaka Ärgott wooo ya that makes my day too and thank you
      I was born in Ukraine and have been to the sea of Asov and all over Crimea....and the recent gossip that I heard in Stockholm Sweden cause I also live there on and off was that the Vikings have a connection to the asov sea area....or the huns....
      And yeah....the people of above have a look like a dark swedish person so does the dark Irish....dark Ukrainian more looks like an lighter skin indian person....and another thing when I was growing up in Ukraine...it was very hard to find a Ukrainian or Russian of one blood....all had different admixture...due to recent wars or a moving order....its like my blood is omg german Greek Jewish
      Tatar polish...and most my friends around me were the same....
      So it's not very hard for me to imagine what the steppe were like
      Haha there are evidence in Russian old scriptures...the language was mixed with turk...aka tartar like or Turkish.....its very very complex the mid European ir east European....issues.....we are all mostly mixed heavenly up to date
      😊

  • @SasukeUchiha-pv4xn
    @SasukeUchiha-pv4xn 6 років тому +23

    I was always confused with wtf is a haplogroup and how they work in genetic population studies as there was so much contradictory information . You just simplified it for me thanx man you earned a sub. Keep up the amazing work

  • @brynstarkiller7419
    @brynstarkiller7419 6 років тому +22

    Your videos are fascinating & you deserve a tv series on history channel.I have learnt so much.Thank you so much.

  • @richardmorgan1058
    @richardmorgan1058 6 років тому +176

    The father-to-son descent has always spoken to me on a spiritual level. It seems to be a natural instinct to care about it.

    • @davidborden3181
      @davidborden3181 4 роки тому +28

      Same. Once when I was a kid, my neighborhood friends and I were all going over our ethnicity, well everyone but myself. They all wanted to tell me I'm just English, but that struck me as being wrong for some reason. For the first time ever I deeply thought about my origins, and literally fjords and cold weather blew through my mind. I told them that I thought we might be something close to German, but they didn't really respond positively or at all to that. Many years later I found out that, after having a lifelong affinity for (but no notions of relation to) Norse culture, that our paternal line traces back 1000 years to a Norman knight who fought under William the Conqueror. Now, I haven't proved that he himself was the descendant of Norsemen instead of Carolingians or some other group belonging to Williams army, but we do get anywhere from 2-22% Scandinavian and will get a high match to Normandy families. I still feel like the originators of my family name were Norse, and have had nothing but confirmation through the facts i've uncovered about my family but all in all I do think that theres something deep within us that we have yet to fully understand that is locked within our male and female ancestral lines.
      On the same thought I always had an oddly strong affinity for the Middle East, and my maternal haplogroup ended up being HV which is very common among people from Iraq.

    • @JoeyDediashvili
      @JoeyDediashvili 4 роки тому +1

      David Borden we are from former soviet Georgia (the Caucasus) my mom is HV and we do have some genetic ties to Iraq according to 23andMe which has been pinpoint accurate in terms of the Georgian cities we descend from.

    • @TheSlimshady1919
      @TheSlimshady1919 4 роки тому +9

      joey dediashvili it's weird for me because my dad is European while my mom is middle eastern and North African. It feels strange on how I should identify. I feel white like my dad sometimes, but also not white like my mom, it's like I don't know what I am, if that makes sense.

    • @JoeyDediashvili
      @JoeyDediashvili 4 роки тому +8

      ReAlMVP definitely. Most Georgian people walk the same line. Most are dark haired and light-dark skin. It makes it harder to identify but on a separate note, we are all human and the more I meditate the more I see my brother or sister in any human of any origin. Ultimately you are who you are from the inside, not so much the out. That’s my philosophy at least.

    • @TheSlimshady1919
      @TheSlimshady1919 4 роки тому +1

      joey dediashvili definitely agree with you on that. It's true we are all family. I just got really curious in my genetics because I'm mixed race and wanted to know more about both sides. It turns out my Ydna is r1a z93, with my dad having roots from Poland and east Germany. While my moms mtdna is j1 with roots in Israel and morroco. My autosomal DNA showed a lot of Arab west Asian North African and also small sub Saharan African on my moms side, and pretty much all European on my dads side, but 2% central Asian. I'm thinking it's maybe from having r1a z93 haplogroup which seems common in Central Asia but not Europe.

  • @snowfall8845
    @snowfall8845 6 років тому +23

    I cannot get enough of your videos. I feel like you are taking me on a journey to finding out who I (we) really am, Thank you.

  • @BListHistory
    @BListHistory 6 років тому +314

    Jesus, the amount of research you put into this. It was very interesting, thank you

    • @bajsbrev4651
      @bajsbrev4651 6 років тому +23

      Please do not mention that hebrew here.

    • @mememem
      @mememem 6 років тому +16

      Oy vey not the Nazarene you're triggering my asthma

    • @Odo55
      @Odo55 5 років тому

      Jesus was involved in the research ?

    • @useodyseeorbitchute9450
      @useodyseeorbitchute9450 3 роки тому

      @@Odo55 Who knows? Maybe the research team had a Latino named so? :D

    • @trikebeatstrexnodiff
      @trikebeatstrexnodiff 2 роки тому

      @@bajsbrev4651 I'm sorry but why exactly are you telling his ethnicity for? For racist purposes?

  • @leornendeealdenglisc
    @leornendeealdenglisc 6 років тому +82

    Wow. A lot to take in. Great video, Tom.
    Congrats on the 25,000! :)

    • @derlinclair4867
      @derlinclair4867 6 років тому +1

      A very detailed, and accurate explanation of Haplogroups, my dear sir.Merci beauoup, mon cher ami, and God bless you,and Happy Holidays!

    • @rememberedroots4196
      @rememberedroots4196 6 років тому

      we must remember the roots ov our tree

  • @eliinthewolverinestate6729
    @eliinthewolverinestate6729 2 роки тому +13

    R1b had boats and R1a had horses. One took land route one took sea route from Caspian sea area.

  • @beachnap
    @beachnap 6 років тому +42

    STJ is my favorite channel on UA-cam. Your videos are always so engaging, educational and high quality. 👌🏻

  • @lukerayner1866
    @lukerayner1866 2 роки тому +21

    I am R-Z30, this places me on a 10,000 year old subsection of the R1 specifically mapped to Britain and the Frisian region.
    My maternal line is U5a1a1. The group that crossed the doggerland, down to Devon, and back up to London.
    DNA testing is such a fantastic lens into the past and it really does add a depth to the human condition when you look at the land you are standing on and know it has your blood deep within it.

    • @valamerkozlowski7915
      @valamerkozlowski7915 Рік тому

      hello cousin my mother is also U5a1a1 but I am from Poland. My father haplo is R1a-z284. he was also polish

    • @larsliamvilhelm
      @larsliamvilhelm 10 місяців тому

      I'm Y-haplogroup R-Z278 and maternal I1a1 and i'm fully Scandinavian.

    • @mamavswild
      @mamavswild 7 місяців тому +2

      What test did you take that got this complex? I would like to take it

  • @north-iranidtraditionalist6785
    @north-iranidtraditionalist6785 6 років тому +6

    This is a fantastic video. Thanks for clearing this up.

  • @brew7595
    @brew7595 6 років тому +226

    Congratulations on 25,000 subscribers lad.

  • @rowly119
    @rowly119 6 років тому +16

    I am also i1 and it was nice to hear a bit more about the ancient history of this haplogroup.
    Thanks for a fascinating video

    • @kakibackup2koujo612
      @kakibackup2koujo612 6 років тому +3

      I1 is mostly germanic nordic

    • @based6819
      @based6819 4 роки тому +2

      @@kakibackup2koujo612 Not Germanic, ancient European. Germanic, Latin, Celtic is R1b.

    • @kakibackup2koujo612
      @kakibackup2koujo612 4 роки тому +1

      @Zivojin Zivojinovic Aware of that. I am talking about where it has the highest frequency, today ,which is in germanic populations, especially common in the nordic countries, the Netherlands, western Finland and northen Germany with the peak in Sweden. As for R1b yes it is probably connected to the spread of indo European languages including the develoment of germanic in northen europe based on the population studies that have come out, but i won’t make any definitive statements and claims to we have more data on it.

    • @based6819
      @based6819 4 роки тому

      @@kakibackup2koujo612 Oh, ok then. Didn't understand you there.

  • @chihiroessien
    @chihiroessien 5 років тому +7

    I appreciate that you dove right into why i clicked on this video in the first place and didn't precede it with a pretentious greeting / intro that I find myself skipping past in a lot of other youtube videos thanks.

  • @BaronLipton
    @BaronLipton 6 років тому

    Hey brother, looking forward to your next video. Keep up the good work, mate.

  • @Abe-my9wb
    @Abe-my9wb 6 років тому +1

    What a great and informative video!! Thank you!

  • @Jessinblackandwhite
    @Jessinblackandwhite 5 років тому +17

    My father’s haplogroup is R-DF98 which mostly found in England, but if I trace it back it seems to come from the Harz mountains in Germany

  • @GTMarmot
    @GTMarmot 2 роки тому +26

    Interesting, thanks. So haplogroups can definitely give us reliable information on prehistoric patrilineal migrations.

  • @marekdanielewski6797
    @marekdanielewski6797 6 років тому +1

    Excellent work!

  • @bille7585
    @bille7585 6 років тому

    GREAT VIDEOS 'Survive the Jive' !!! Keep it up

  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive  6 років тому +51

    *Corrections/clarifications*
    -I1 did not come with EEF farmers, but was not originally the main haplogroup among Western Hunter Gatherers (others such as C1a and C1a2 were more common) however I1 evolved in Europe and is derived from IJ (a West Asian haplogroup).
    -I1 was not found among Yamnaya, but I2 was found. Earliest I1 found so far comes from Corded Ware samples which were IE
    -as for r1b - here is a useful new blog post on the subject eurogenes.blogspot.se/2017/11/whos-your-proto-daddy-western-europeans.html

    • @eRoNNNNNN
      @eRoNNNNNN 6 років тому +6

      I know this genetic research is super interesting, believe me, but you have to be careful with it. I'm an archaeology MA student currently and wanted to do my dissertation on similar themes, regarding evidence for female hypergamy (by looking at which haplo groups become predominant after cultural contacts and which men were being chosen) to discern the social dominance of a new group over another, specifically the success of the Neolithic farmers over the mesolithic hunter-gatherers in Britain.
      I've been told by multiple professors that my dissertation idea, while interesting, is not possible to do at this time due to this field still being deep in its infancy, and if i remember correctly, altogether from the holocene to the end of the prehistoric era, (10,000 years), there are 50-60 genetic samples in total (from europe). This means, while we can look at what modern populations have, to ascribe certain links to genetic populations is currently extremely tenuous, and the strictest of parsimony is required.
      We have the technology but the data currently is really lacking to be able to make firm conclusions.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  6 років тому +9

      Both haplogroup and ancient autosomal DNA evidence are very useful for understanding European origins. In terms of the latter, although there may be a limited amount of ancient samples available, there are many modern samples and all the constituent parts of modern Europeans are now accounted for in ancient populations. When even older samples are found, we can find out about even older populations who founded the ones we currently know about, but for your professors to dismiss genetic archaeology in this way is hasty.

    • @sacredsoma
      @sacredsoma 6 років тому +1

      Correct me if I am wrong about this, but 50 -60 samples in total in Europe, as mentioned by eRoN means that all that is needed for these speculations about what the Yamnaya looked like or the western hunter gatherers etc. is just an additional 3 to 5 remains which would be different, the assumption that what has remained is representative doesn't seem sound. Thanks again though love the channel

    • @jadevalo9995
      @jadevalo9995 6 років тому +2

      Take Dna test and Make a video about your Dna test.

    • @853dlg
      @853dlg 4 роки тому

      What do you think of Z-2103 majority of the Yamnaya men were Z-2103 but it is very rare in Western Europe, modern day European R1b are all under L-51 which is a seperate branch from Z-2013 if Yamnaya are the forefathers of the European R1b then why is Z2103 is lacking in Western Europe? I would like to hear your opinion on this :)

  • @KloseEnkounter
    @KloseEnkounter 4 роки тому +20

    More historians should publish information for the public like this. Thank you for bringing the power of knowledge to us commoners

  • @Slaweniskadela
    @Slaweniskadela Рік тому

    To this day this remains my favourite video on the topic. Thank You :)

  • @robertbrumfitt6548
    @robertbrumfitt6548 5 років тому

    I think this is one of your best videos. Good stuff

  • @Antipodean33
    @Antipodean33 6 років тому +56

    Swedes in the Congo? I thought it was the Belgians ;)

  • @jcrowviral
    @jcrowviral 4 роки тому +36

    My haplogroup is i2a1 L161.1 I come from an unbroken line of men who inhabited the British Isles during the mesolithic period and probably built Stonehenge and other megalithic structures there. My gramps descended from Western Ireland where around 5% of men still carry this ancient haplogroup.

    • @senchamacrae50
      @senchamacrae50 3 роки тому +6

      So many fascinating Europeans before the Indo-Europeans.

    • @Mihaylovich
      @Mihaylovich 3 роки тому +4

      I2a is common in the Balkans. Tho a different version.

    • @scotbotvideos
      @scotbotvideos 3 роки тому +1

      @@Mihaylovich i2a2a here in western Scotland.

    • @user-wk7qe7vd9n
      @user-wk7qe7vd9n 2 роки тому

      @@scotbotvideos my brotha I am I-s12195 which apparently was found in southern Russia in yamnaya men but we are both i2. But I’m so confused I’m Arab I don’t know how I have yamnaya ancestry

    • @eytharburhan8869
      @eytharburhan8869 Рік тому +4

      @@Mihaylovich that's why people of Balkans have slightly Celtic faces

  • @GeneaVlogger
    @GeneaVlogger 6 років тому

    Great video and quite eloquently explained!

  • @skeptic781
    @skeptic781 3 роки тому

    Very interesting video. I enjoyed this a lot!

  • @jmaaybraak
    @jmaaybraak 6 років тому +5

    One of the reasons I look into ur comment section is to see if Varg has posted a reply! 😅 Luv ur content, sir. Well done, yet again.

    • @joechamberlain8618
      @joechamberlain8618 6 років тому +3

      J May I think they've had a falling out

    • @jmaaybraak
      @jmaaybraak 6 років тому

      Joe Chamberlain Oh wow, well, that's unfortunate then. Sorry for the stepping on of the toes, mate...of his toes, I mean lol

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT 6 років тому +1

      Varg is Neanderthal n shiet...

  • @nostalgia9945
    @nostalgia9945 6 років тому +4

    I need to do a research paper for my university in the medical field and due to the fact your videos are so inspirational, I'm going to base my paper on the Genetics field. Thank you!

    • @michellemurphy895
      @michellemurphy895 5 місяців тому

      How did you get on with your medical research paper in genetics? 😊

  • @melissabordenave7003
    @melissabordenave7003 2 роки тому

    Finally, I found a video that actually makes sense. Thank you very much. Good job explaining things.

  • @jessika6482
    @jessika6482 6 років тому +1

    I enjoy your vlogs!

  • @BrunusRicieri
    @BrunusRicieri 6 років тому +140

    “what’s now Turkey” well said

    • @Homoclassicus
      @Homoclassicus 6 років тому +41

      Dude, get back to the real world: Turkish people are 90% of old Anatolian stock. The invading Turks left a small contribution to their DNA, at most 10% to 15%. The same happened in many other places of the world: Romans in Sardinia, Magyars in Hungary, Bulgars in Bulgaria and so on. Get your facts straight, unless you prefer the "excitement" of these silly conspiracy theories.

    • @simurgsimurg3316
      @simurgsimurg3316 6 років тому +8

      Game James you google christian atrocities and see what you werent taught.

    • @Homoclassicus
      @Homoclassicus 6 років тому +24

      A lot of war, plunder and murder, yes, but no large holocaust, otherwise the genetic makeup of Turkey's population wouldn't be so thoroughly Anatolian/Caucasian as it is. These are facts, not fanciful stories based loosely on historic documents.

    • @simurgsimurg3316
      @simurgsimurg3316 6 років тому

      please send me some links for those historic documents.

    • @Homoclassicus
      @Homoclassicus 6 років тому +22

      You didn't understand the point of my message: I said that accounts of "Byzantine holocaust" are only loosely based on some (often exaggerated) historic documents, but the genetics of the people of Turkey falsify that over the top narrative. Yes, a lot of warfare, violence and some depopulation did happen, but modern Turks are overwhelmingly (at least 80%) descendants of the same individuals who already lived in Anatolia before the Turks established their sultanates there.

  • @I_leave_mean_comments
    @I_leave_mean_comments 4 роки тому +15

    Haplogroups only tell you where your paternal many great great grandfather was from (Y-DNA haplogroup), and where your maternal many great great grandmother was from (mtDNA haplogroup). It's literally only a very tiny portion of your DNA.

    • @user-wk7qe7vd9n
      @user-wk7qe7vd9n 2 роки тому +1

      So it’s a very tiny portion of your overall ancestry? I’m Lebanese and have I-s12195 which is yamnaya. Are the majority of my ancient ancestors probably middle easterners?

    • @I_leave_mean_comments
      @I_leave_mean_comments 2 роки тому

      @@user-wk7qe7vd9n Yes, exactly.

  • @danielsayre3385
    @danielsayre3385 3 роки тому

    Thanks for making this video. Subbed

  • @toms3898
    @toms3898 6 років тому +1

    I 2nd the early comment on how much study must be involved in this topic. Really interesting as usual. Nice to see your subscribers growing!

  • @Druidikal
    @Druidikal 4 роки тому +7

    Y-DNA STRs and SNPs do mutate, but not enough to change the haplogroup. Best video I've seen explaining haplogroups and their relevance.
    R-L259 and U5a1e

  • @ethanmiller4807
    @ethanmiller4807 6 років тому +45

    you need to do a video on the out of africa theory, i know your audience would be very interested to get your take on it

    • @masterofcoin1883
      @masterofcoin1883 4 роки тому +16

      The original white flight

    • @masterofcoin1883
      @masterofcoin1883 4 роки тому +1

      @M. Ygr. It was a joke

    • @algonzalez6853
      @algonzalez6853 4 роки тому

      @passius1 you mean as in they have more lineages?

    • @kevinayusa
      @kevinayusa 4 роки тому

      @@algonzalez6853 no what that means, their lineage is "older" compared to the others

    • @feiliormia
      @feiliormia 3 роки тому +10

      @Matthew Simmons
      "Not many can tell the difference between a Nigerian and a Kenyan"
      So then your entire argument hinges off the fact that you' personally are unfamiliar with Africa, which is why you think they're all the same. Of course you're more familiar with Europe than Africa as someone who probably grew up in the west and was constantly exposed to western culture, but that's just your perception. Even many Americans can't distinguish between Scottish and Irish culture lol.
      "In my opinion whites are the most diverse race"
      Not genetically lol. It's a known fact that Africa has more genetic diversity than the rest of the world combined, not that this is an objectively good or bad thing.

  • @glauceoliveira6265
    @glauceoliveira6265 5 років тому

    Thank you. I learned a lot!

  • @mohamedajab7402
    @mohamedajab7402 6 років тому

    Thank you so much you give great info

  • @bvds3084
    @bvds3084 6 років тому +5

    Once again, great video! What are your thoughts on Jean Manco's Ancestral Journeys (if any)? As it has to do with ancient European migrations and haplogroups.

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 6 років тому +23

    I do like the thought that my paternal ancestors managed to get their line through despite invading Indo-Europeans throughout the centuries. With a rare haplogroup like I2a2b

    • @AEye-zk2sb
      @AEye-zk2sb 6 років тому +3

      Same here ;)

    • @gp2272
      @gp2272 6 років тому +1

      Celt of Canaan Esurix Me too!!,

    • @combatantezoteric2965
      @combatantezoteric2965 5 років тому +2

      I2a is also one of the main haplogroups in my country - Romania, and it has been here for over 6000 years. It is responsible for the neolithic cultures from Cucuteni, Cri ș-Starcevo, Gumelnița, Boian etc. I think I may share this haplogroup along with the indo-european r1b, brought here by the thracians ( but also later by the slavs ).

    • @jcrowviral
      @jcrowviral 4 роки тому +2

      I2a1b from Ireland. I2 persisted on the fringes of Europe over many successive migrations. We're descendants of diehard men.

  • @ivystuart1736
    @ivystuart1736 2 роки тому

    Hey Tom, we have the same haplogroup! Another great video. Really enjoying your content!

  • @SladkaPritomnost
    @SladkaPritomnost 6 років тому +2

    Great explanation, I was able to follow you all the time (18+ minutes!) : )

  • @less3117
    @less3117 4 роки тому +12

    My haplogroups are U5b1b1 and I1a, strongly Scandinavian influenced, predominately Sweden and Śami peoples. As an Englishman and a Londoner this as fascinating to me.

    • @pickxd2035
      @pickxd2035 2 роки тому

      The Sami have N1c.

    • @robertolang9684
      @robertolang9684 2 роки тому

      your autosomal is what can tell your tribes not hap lo x or y it does not matter it is based in supposition not in reality they only found a few ancient corpses carbon dated to that time in that region , but they don't know how many sheep was in the world with that stamp so j1 is very prevalent in Saudi Arabia everyone say because of that must be its place of origin , rb1 is most prevalent in western Europe , but they say its origin is russia steppe because was there where they found its oldest clad so you never beat academia bulshit

  • @lionheart5078
    @lionheart5078 5 років тому +24

    Im R1a-L260 west slavic. Where my slavs at?

    • @YouKingofTube
      @YouKingofTube 4 роки тому +3

      In hea! and Slav no Slave!

    • @frogmanthelibertarian1482
      @frogmanthelibertarian1482 3 роки тому

      @anonymous boy25 with DNA tests

    • @pgetheelderscrollsturkiye68
      @pgetheelderscrollsturkiye68 3 роки тому +2

      Dude i have one one of the rarest, r1b from ancient greek dorian invasion, hell of a branch thats so minor by population impact yet had one of the biggest impacts in human history, by creating the classical greece as we know.

  • @HerewardtheWake23
    @HerewardtheWake23 6 років тому

    Thanks for clearing that up

  • @mirzaghalib8659
    @mirzaghalib8659 3 роки тому

    I found this interesting and now I have a better understanding. Thanks.

  • @joldendoves2795
    @joldendoves2795 5 років тому +27

    Absolutely the most interesting person on UA-cam.

  • @LIBERTASetVERITA5
    @LIBERTASetVERITA5 6 років тому +94

    Did anyone notice, that the haplogroups pretty much fit with the "unscientific" subracial maps of Europe?

    • @eternalhistory4706
      @eternalhistory4706 3 роки тому +19

      No because if you take a *European* with the european version of E1B1 lets say E1b1V13 (Neolithic European) with a North African with the North african version (EM83) they would look nothing alike) The European would most look more "Palish" or maybe like a grey, yellowish tone. In other words looking like a caucasian or white person, of course the North African would mostly look like a North African. The same can be said for any Indian or Pakistani that scores R1a like a slavic person would also score R1a - Haplogroups do not determine race at all.

    • @OkurkaBinLadin
      @OkurkaBinLadin 3 роки тому +10

      @@eternalhistory4706 Lol, you just rephrased everything he said, buddy.
      He talks about EUROPE. While you had to resort to Africa and south Asia, lol.

    • @pw3229
      @pw3229 3 роки тому

      Has to do more with EEF vs euopean hunter gatherer dna. These are correlated with different haplogroups. Of course R haplogroups dominate across Europe

    • @CostantinoVercetti
      @CostantinoVercetti 3 роки тому +4

      @Historia Antiqua Exactly this. People need to understand that E1b1 or the J haplogroups (most commonly assossiated with the EEF) have nothing to do with the Afro-Asiatics/Semites. Also they didn't originate in the Levant or Africa, but in the Caucasus as you said.

    • @ayahadam8299
      @ayahadam8299 2 роки тому

      @@CostantinoVercetti E1b1 originated in east africa east african tribes have the highest frequency of e1b1b E is the most common haplogroup in africa are you saying all the black africans in west east South and north africa originated in the caucus region that means blacks are caucus people i dont believe that

  • @vitalybelevitch7369
    @vitalybelevitch7369 6 років тому

    Excellent video

  • @chrishealey3516
    @chrishealey3516 6 років тому +1

    Really interesting insights, and certainly fleshes out & contextualises what I got from 23 & me.

  • @LawrenceMclean
    @LawrenceMclean 6 років тому +25

    The Breeding bias events can be better understood when you keep in mind populations were much smaller in those ancient times. This is a very good explanation.

  • @beppo1953
    @beppo1953 6 років тому +3

    First class presentation of a difficult subject

  • @donnysandley4649
    @donnysandley4649 6 років тому

    Very interesting 🤔 and a great job with your research 😊

  • @LeonFilms
    @LeonFilms 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for the insight!

  • @xxxfirehuunterxxx
    @xxxfirehuunterxxx 6 років тому +16

    Had to say:
    VERY INDO EUROPEAN

  • @oala1019
    @oala1019 6 років тому +13

    so then. all that aside; as a fellow I-M253 paternal haplogroup sharer, does this mean that you and I *could* , _in theory_ , have a common ancestor....?
    of course!
    Why, Brother! *Bring us some Mead!!!*

  • @gaborfilakovsky8676
    @gaborfilakovsky8676 6 років тому

    Finally someone explained it right!Good job

  • @aldekorea
    @aldekorea 6 років тому +1

    Very interesting exposition

  • @Ayo.Ajisafe
    @Ayo.Ajisafe 3 роки тому +13

    Bro you got a dope voice.

  • @heatherlefaye2600
    @heatherlefaye2600 3 роки тому +4

    Mine is H6, I don't know my paternal haplogroup because my father passed when I was 13. No siblings from him but his brother is still alive.

  • @jeromevasseur6465
    @jeromevasseur6465 6 років тому +1

    25K,well done Tom keep it up!

  • @eternalabyssfall
    @eternalabyssfall 6 років тому +1

    Your Intro music to these videos is supreme.

    • @Annatar3019
      @Annatar3019 6 років тому +1

      eternal/abyss/fall Sunne by wolcinsmen

  • @SolSilence
    @SolSilence 6 років тому +5

    I only subbed to your channel yesterday, and then you bring this out....Happy I subbed! :D Thanks Jive!

  • @songio77
    @songio77 5 років тому +5

    Speaking about the Aeneid, Virgil connected Augustus to the mythical Trojan hero not for the hero himself but because Aeneas was son of a mortal man and an immortal goddess.
    His father was Anchises, cousin of Troy's king Priam, and his mother was Aphrodite, Venus for the Romans.
    The epic poem was written to sustain the divine descent of Augustus, a way to legitimize his power and glorify his predestination to be emperor.

    • @vecvan
      @vecvan 2 роки тому

      And then the immortal Goddess moved into the father's household i it? lol

  • @cnpf312
    @cnpf312 5 років тому +2

    I just loved this video!! I am very interested in genetics, specially through a historical point of view. Even though I have read about it, I mistakenly thought that haplogroups traced from the mitocondrial DNA, in other words, from one’s mother’s side. Thank you from clearing that! Please make more videos on genetics.

  • @alancox701
    @alancox701 6 років тому +2

    Recently discovered your videos, they are very interesting. Listening to this one it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the fairly recent documentary on Cheddar man here in England

  • @PaperParade
    @PaperParade 3 роки тому +7

    As a woman, I don’t know my paternal haplogroup and my father passed away so unless I can convince my uncle to do genetic testing, I’ll likely never know. But interestingly, my maternal haplogroup is a bit uncommon and the second most common place it’s found is also where I know my maternal grandmother’s heritage comes from. And looking into her maiden name, I found many others who immigrated to the US from the same town in Scotland within 30 years of one of my own ancestors. All that said, it’s just cool to confirm historical information with this genetic information and tells me my maternal ancestry must have a long history in at least the British isles.

    • @TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st
      @TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st 6 місяців тому

      Hopefully without refuting the purpose of the video - Scotland is basically composed of R1b (70%) and I1 and R1a (30%) and essentially you are mostly that - good chance your Dad was one of those 3 (most likely R1b) and yes - women of different Haplogroups mated in with R1b and I1 and R1a but how much ? You 'look' Scottish ... or Welsh or English or Irish or ....but could be Danish or Estonian etc Seems to me that all of us should carry some type of identifier from the very beginning - like why does 'nature' throw out the male haplogroup when you (chemically) became a girl vs boy - or me (as a guy) would not 'carry' the mitochondrial DNA even though I became a guy - so the sperm hits the egg and where does all that information go ? and what determines guy or girl ? if once determined does the 'body' just delete the male or female info ? My point is maybe you actually have the 'male haplogroup' still stored in a genetic file from your Dad's sperm

  • @PadraigOConaire
    @PadraigOConaire 6 років тому +4

    Very interesting. I agree with your point about haplogroups most importantly telling us about ancient migration patterns. I see it that a new group is created with isolation from another group through migration, i.e. embarking on a new path. This would predominantly have to do with following a new food source which could arise from climate change, the invention of a new technology etc. This is probably simplistic but as you said the R group spread with the mammoth hunters. Did the N haplogroup spread with the reindeer hunters, R1b with the goat herders, C with the coastal raft people, the I group with the cro magnon hunters, and E with the neolithic farmers?

  • @crypticreality8484
    @crypticreality8484 2 роки тому

    Very Excellent analysis BTW. Impressive anthropological wherewithal!

  • @victorcarmine9808
    @victorcarmine9808 6 років тому +1

    You are amazing.

  • @WisdomPrevails369
    @WisdomPrevails369 2 роки тому +5

    He's obsessed with Indo European 6:57 lol we love this man.

  • @markstokes3685
    @markstokes3685 6 років тому +3

    Thank you.

  • @richardkramer1094
    @richardkramer1094 2 роки тому +2

    You voiced my sentiments on DNA exactly. Among my direct ancestors (grandfathers) are William the Conqueror, Alfred the Great, Rollo First Duke of Normandy, Charlemagne, and Norwegians back into the 6th century. Oddly enough my haplogroup is I-M438 which is a subgroup of I2 which comprises people on the existing rim of the sunken Doggerland yet originated in Serbia and Croatia and were the tallest people on the EuroAsia continent. Point being DNA doesn’t really mean much because, as stated below, you only inherit DNA from 2 of your 4 grandparents, 2 of your 8 great grandparents, 2 of your 16 great great grandparents, etc, etc. Well presented!

  • @mormoncounternarrative8927
    @mormoncounternarrative8927 6 років тому +3

    Interesting presentation. My mitochondrial haplogroup is X2 which is connected to some strange migrations like the Great Lakes area and were at some point believed to be European a few thousand years ago. I’ll need to get my dad or brothers to do a DNA test to get my Y haplogroup.

  • @sanjibmukherjee8484
    @sanjibmukherjee8484 2 роки тому +7

    R1a and R1b are supposed to be from common ancestor R(IN central asia, or from eurasian steppe).we and our r1b brothers were very close if they didnt deny us.we are also from indo europeon family(or the west eurasian group).

  • @MeanBeanComedy
    @MeanBeanComedy 2 роки тому +7

    I'm R1a-Y57. It's mattered to me because it means I'm not descended from a male line starting in England, despite most of my blood being from there. My patrilineal ancestors descended from Scythians.

    • @minmodsefa
      @minmodsefa Рік тому

      That's not what it means at all.

    • @MeanBeanComedy
      @MeanBeanComedy Рік тому +3

      @@minmodsefa Yes, it does. 🙄🙄🙄

  • @christopherellis2663
    @christopherellis2663 6 років тому +9

    So, who is your father?
    A very important question!

  • @zyeklonbey3545
    @zyeklonbey3545 3 роки тому +8

    9:10 caught yourself there.
    It will always be Anatolia in my heart!

    • @johnrogan9420
      @johnrogan9420 3 роки тому

      N1a1a seems to come from Anatolia...Queen Noor of Jordan

    • @ET-jb1he
      @ET-jb1he 3 роки тому

      lol losers

  • @RobinHood-tw4se
    @RobinHood-tw4se 6 років тому +19

    At around 11 mins. you discuss Y-HG I and how it may have come in with the farmers. However, according to sample "Paglicci 33" found in Italy circa 33,000 years ago, he carried Y-HG I. There is also much evidence for I and its subclades being present in mesolithic Europe pre-agriculture. Meanwhile, most samples that I am aware of in the Near East at the time belonged to E1b. The sister clade J seems present in the Caucasus region around that time though. Perhaps a pre-farming movement of people from the Balkans or northern Caucasus deeper into Europe during this time? Great video overall.

  • @AudioJeep
    @AudioJeep 6 років тому +51

    Im too stupid to understand this video.

    • @AudioJeep
      @AudioJeep 6 років тому +27

      But i liked it anyway

    • @seanettles657
      @seanettles657 4 роки тому +12

      *You're not. Just rewatch a few times. Take an hour and research the definitions yourself ;)

    • @freckleheckler6311
      @freckleheckler6311 4 роки тому +5

      Dovey Milton 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “but I liked it anyway” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh man I’m dying

    • @andresjuarez2113
      @andresjuarez2113 3 роки тому

      F

  • @robinchandler4870
    @robinchandler4870 6 років тому +4

    Haplogroups can give us some clues to likely admixture especially when used with additional informations.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  6 років тому +7

      a clue, but a potentially misleading one.

    • @robinchandler4870
      @robinchandler4870 6 років тому

      Survive the Jive certainly, yes. On the whole another excellent video from Survive the Jive 👍

  • @mikerequadt9661
    @mikerequadt9661 3 роки тому

    I like what you are doing, very refreshing. Can you please send link for reference sources you used to draw conclusion, or a white paper that has those reference on it?

  • @davidwright6591
    @davidwright6591 5 років тому +55

    I1 hunter gatherer here, don't hurt me Jive

    • @wj287
      @wj287 4 роки тому

      bet you're E3b.

    • @marcvsivnivsbrvtvs
      @marcvsivnivsbrvtvs 3 роки тому +6

      I'm I1 (or I-M253, as it is called today) as well. Greetings from Poland, where I1 is quite rare!

    • @ot23234
      @ot23234 3 роки тому +1

      Yer sister is I1 too, but your nieces and nephews won't be!

    • @davidwright6591
      @davidwright6591 3 роки тому

      @@wj287 what makes you say that

    • @wj287
      @wj287 3 роки тому +1

      @@davidwright6591 because i know you don't know your haplogroup and everyone wants to be the exclusively scandinavian one. For some odd reason.

  • @shanekonarson
    @shanekonarson 6 років тому +7

    Can you do a follow up Vid on the I - M223 haplogroup which I believe is one of the oldest in Europe

  • @lancelottavola9685
    @lancelottavola9685 3 роки тому +1

    Hello, I have done myHeritage test, how is possible to see the haplogroup there ? I didnt find more than etnias percentages...

  • @rosumella
    @rosumella 6 років тому +18

    As an italian who's not so fluent in english I'm having some difficulties in understanding everything you say in the video, can you please suggest me some reading material?

    • @bills1967
      @bills1967 6 років тому +1

      Sul Google 😂

    • @joshuddin897
      @joshuddin897 3 роки тому +1

      Kamasutra

    • @rosumella
      @rosumella 3 роки тому +7

      Thanks and fuck u all!
      ;)

    • @andriacolonna8264
      @andriacolonna8264 2 роки тому

      Put it on a slower speed. I’m only Italian 100% by dna so I can’t write in Italian. Sorry Lolol