I think that xplane 12 being so similar to xplane 11 in terms of structure of files and other things like that is really important since it means a lot of plugins or modifications are compatible from the start without being forced to wait for everything to become compatible
I was excited for this game; but it's just not enough of an upgrade from XP11 to justify buying it. It just seems like a slight graphics upgrade with a few more default planes for 60 dollars. Compared to FS2020, I would barely open this game, especially considering I'm seeing reports that the CFD simulation on the Cessna 172 is highly realistic, and more realistic than XP11. Along with that, products like the Fenix just set a new bar for flight simulation addons. I think they dropped the ball with this one. I don't see where the development time has gone into. PBR textures, HDR lighting? We had HDR lighting starting with Half-Life 2: Lost coast. That came out in 2005! PBR textures are great, but the game still looks undersaturated in some parts. It's also very heavily aliased. It just seems like they didn't hire enough people who know what they're doing when it comes to visuals. The clouds are also a nice addition, but they're very low resolution. They stick out. So we've got very little improvement across the board. When it comes to graphics, in every single metric, FS2020 has Xp12 beat, from a technical and aesthetic standpoint. When it comes to physics, stock, Xp11 / 12 beats fs2020; with mods, Fs2020 is tied with XP, beats it, or lags slightly behind it, depending on the category. In scenery, FS2020 beats xplane. In weather, FS2020 beats xplane. It's simply a more advanced simulation. Couple that with the just absolute flood of updates we've been getting with FS2020, the storm of addons, and the sheer visual quality difference, I just don't see a reason to get xp12, other than to maybe train on a specific aircraft, or unless you need one specific plane, or if you like long-haul flights specifically. I'm disappointed. The community at large seems disappointed. I'm glad they released it. But I'm not happy with what they released. This sort of stuff would literally constitute two or three FREE Sim Updates in fs2020, and yet they're selling it for 60 dollars? There's also the 40th anniversary update for FS2020 adding even MORE free planes. It's ridiculous how much Microsoft and Asobo are spoiling us with this game. Anyway, rant over. I really, really hope they get their act together in a few more updates, because this is just disappointing. I was hoping for so much more than this, I was hoping for competition between Laminar and Microsoft. It's just not happening. Nice video, though!
I understand that they completely revamped a lot of stuff under the hood, and that they will continually improve the sim now that they have the base stuff in place. But yeah for now the full price isn't justified. Maybe if they had some discount for the early adopters. Do note that Laminar doesn't have the resources that Asobo and MS have, so you can't compare the speed of development. In some regards, MSFS is still lacking some features that they don't seem to care about.
@concodroid I agree with almost everything you say. The only thing XP does nicely is the "feel" of flying. I too cannot see where all the dev time has gone. "Under the hood"? Lets not forget, the last 2 years of XP11 leading up to .5 was "under the hood" conversion into Vulcan. This just feels like XP11.6. Some of the clouds and rain graphics are truly awful. The scenery looks like something from a chap video game from the '90s. It's such a shame. I used XP11 a lot with tons of addons and was really hoping that Laminar had managed to pull off something improved given the long years they have had in development, but no. Laminar seems too dependent on Austin, who, as brilliant as he is, can't do it all. They missed their shot and I , much to my chagrin, won't be buying XP12 unless something changes.
MFS has a very bad flight model and its addons are highly unrealistic, the fenix is a pretty bad addon, flight factor a320 is better in every way, and the graphics of mfs 2020 are good but unrealistic. Over saturated graphics, with blurry ground textures, and bad airport models, Xplane still wins in the realism category.
As a real pilot who uses my sim mostly for IFR practice, the weather in XP 11 always annoyed me because it was never accurate from a visibility or ceiling perspective. But since XP 11 was so much more realistic and accurate from a G1000 systems perspective, MSFS never did it for me. The weather and cloud updates were the one thing I was really hoping for in XP 12 and am really glad they made significant improvements to the weather. Thanks for the review!
What do think about the new G1000 Nxi from working title that is being added to the base sim in Sim Update 10? Seems to have more features than the xplane 11 version. Have you tried it yet?
MFS2020 is not really a simulator at all it's a game... For me it's X-Plane forever but since my bad GPU I have to still on X-Plane 11. Btw for small VFR flight it's true MFS2020 can be nice.... even if flight physic is kinda trash..
@@torusx8564 hahah. I had a good chuckle at your ridiculous statement about MSFS not being a simulator. But if it makes you feel better you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of how silly. As far as I'm concern, xplane 11 and MSFS are both good simulators. For me MSFS is hands down the most immersive simulator on the market and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. It is great that xplane is trying to keep things interesting with competition but they have a long way to go with xplane 12 to make it good.
@@ryanwright3965 Bruh... I dont like saying MFS is a sim mainly because only gamers play it. It was created for amusement and not to simulate a real aircraft for pilot training instead of X-Plane known as a real flight simulator for professional. Flight physic is much better in X-Plane than MFS2020. MFS is only graphics you dont have a lot option like in X-Plane. Btw the way u say people are silly without knowing them show your incompetence in this field. I hold there arguement from a real pilot "father dane" on UA-cam. Graphics are really not important for a flight sim.
@@torusx8564 So when you fly in the real world you dont see nothing from the time you start the aircraft to the time you park all you do is look at instruments? Do you know xplane without hardware and an instructor is not faa certified right? How long XP has been out vs MSFS? A lot of developers are ditching xp and p3d and guess where they going. To say MSFS is only used by gamers is so stupid. I guess Fenix, PMdG are fake. I guess the new crosswind in msfs is fake too. So tired of these chair simmers thinking they know it all.
I've been an Xplane user since ver 4 or 5 (when it came with a paper booklet) all the way up to 11. MSFS user since the early days (mid 1980s). Love them both in different ways, but no way will I be paying 60 bucks for XP12. Looks like a minor upgrade to XP11 based on the few videos I've seen.
It's realllly disappointing. I've been waiting for XP12 for so long, and it feels like Laminar has just been twiddling their thumbs if this is all we got. I know it's early access but I hope Laminar doesn't think that's a free pass to trickle in the improvements at a slower pace now that some cash is flowing. I dunno, this is the first time I've ever seen a flight sim in early access.
Agreed with some comments in the sense that currently it is not enough of an upgrade from XP 11. Will probably be worth taking a look at in a year time.
Yeah really had to tell at this first beta.... I was looking for the big picture and overlooking the smaller issues I assume they will work out. Time will tell.
This should have been in XP 11 already. Just another coat of paint for a quick cash grab. Austin is more about self promoting, than actual future developments of his software. Staying with MSFS. They seem determined to focus on the future, not stuck in the past. Real world vs Sim world. Consider how long XP has been around. It hasn't aged well.
It sucks unless you have a real high end computer, FS2020 is way better. X plane 12 is an upgrade to X plane 11, not really a big deal, save your money.
From the videos I've seen, what a disappointment ! Looks like the next version of XP 11. Same "scenery" and those Minecraft roads. How bad. What a letdown. I'm sure we'll soon see that brownish haze that ruined 11 also. well, so much for waiting.
You can't honestly say xp12 has better systems than MSFS and then show the A330 with a Boeing fmc 2 minutes later. At least the default A320 in MSFS has an Airbus FMGC in it... For other planes MSFS will get the G1000 NXi by default which is pretty much a 1:1 of the real G1000 and it will be available in every default plane using the G1000. For third-party there are very high fidelity aircraft available such as PMDG 737 and Fenix A320. The Fenix A320 is on par with FlightFactor A320, and you get all the graphics benefits of MSFS on top. I'm not saying XP12 is a bad sim, but don't say things that just isn't true as people blindly repeat it over and over even if there is no facts backing it.
The problem Xeno is a lot of folks are stuck in the past. They see X-Plane 10 or 11 say as always having better system modeling than FSX. The truth is MSFS has shown itself to be a capable platform to support study level aircraft as good as anything you'll see in DCS World and X-Plane and with the introduction of iniBuilds adding study level default aircraft and Working Title updating the default systems you really can't say MSFS is left wanting when it comes to system modelling.
MSFS G1000 isn't realidtic at all. It can't even replicate same collors. Xplane has better physics, i bet it is more stable. FS2020 has a bad interface, has some bugs yet that exists since launch day.
With more than 1000 hours logged with real NXi, MSFS’s G1000 is not real and for some control parts, X-Plane is even still better and more real than MSFS… plus the map and reposition functions, X-Plane is still way more closer to training level sim than MSFS, it’s a good game but talking about sim not really :/
@@apreaze he's talking about g1000 nxi addon u definitely haven't tried it tho that's for sure cause from what u r saying I don't even know if u have tried the sim at least not any time close
The only reason you'd buy this over MSFS 20 is loyalty, its like me buying AMD over Intel, its because I know more about AMD well and will stay loyal to AMD!
I disagree. Some people, mainly serious sim pilots, or real pilots, will buy X-Plane because of the physics that are built in and the superior flight modelling. Others will buy MSFS because of the fantastic scenery and not be so concerned about accurate handling. Some people will have both and maybe some others as well. It all depends what you want from the sim. I don't have the time or money to invest in 2 or 3 sims + addons so I will stick with X-Plane. If I had thought that MSFS would be better than buying XP12 then I would have considered it but the reviews I have read would suggest otherwise. But, that is only my opinion, of course. YMMV 🙂
I have been flying around in the demo version, essentially I am a newcomer to Xplane entirely. I am not at all convinced by all this talk of the flight model, to me this feels like flying on rails. Perhaps the demo is somehow running in an easy mode, turns and rudder feel extremely smooth.. like flying in a perfectly stable air mass. In the real world at low VFR altitudes during the day, you are mostly going to experience pockets of warmer air causing some turbulance and disturbance. MSFS models this pretty well I have to say. It does not appear that Xplane does. MSFS feels closer to reality when flying around VFR, and obviously the visuals are not even close. So my initial impression is that Xplane 12 is great for easy flying with that super stable air, but it appears to me that people rave about the flight model because it is very simplistic comparatively to MSFS. I have more real world flying hours than simulator hours incidentally, so take my opinion for what it is, just my initial impression.
nope... that's default aircraft for ya... when people talk about flight model, it depends on the effort the developer puts in to make it good... really doesn't matter the simulator anymore. It just appears that because of the longer period of time, X Plane has produced more flight model favoured aircraft (Like air foil labs C172) It'll come to MSFS, it'll take time.
@@starflexthe2nd I am very ready to admit I am wrong, I guess I am posting my initial impressions with a touch of disappointment. Perhaps I do need to look at the addon aircraft to see if that changes my mind. I have not yet purchased Xplane but probably will.
It's just an ugly outdated sim, simple as that, it's always had horrible anti-aliasing making it look like an early 2000s game, they've never bothered to address it, instead focusing on 3d trees, I'm about to uninstall it, how can you get immersed in something which looks so far from reality your imagination literally cannot compensate for it, every time I fly I'm telling myself to ignore the flickering roads, trees, buildings, clouds, pretty much everything in the sim has a horrible flicker aspect to it. OK the flight model in MSFS is not as good but at least it actually looks somewhat like real life.
5:05 I was expecting a much more beautiful setting, a more lifelike landscape, this is very "plastic"! Oylan, it's like X-plne 11 has been a bit jazzed up, but that's it! For me the feeling is important, not just the technical simulation precision!
Trees and weather are good but xp 12 needs more polish. I like the flight physics. But I think in the age of Google Maps in 2 or 5 years XP will have a very hard time without satellite scenery. Currently using MSFS and XP, cant decide.
I like your Videos Russ! As you, (obviously) I have logged a couple of hours as a commercial and AF pilot. Right now and even more so with XP12 I believe we are truly on the edge of a new era of flight training. Currently, I am rated on the Challenger 650 and when I look at X-Aviation’s Challenger Simulation for XP11 I must say it is really stunning, unbelievable …
I REALLY appreciated your real world insights and very detailed analysis of the updates etc. I'm in IT and your notes on consistency of the pop outs (which ones pop out and which do not), using a Ctrl or Alt click to pop them out and from a UX perspective, these are quite big things for them to add. This is early access so hopefully they can bring that consistency in before the full/final (what's final these days) release. For that same reason (IT experience), I disagree with your perspective that the Interface is too similar. The most painful thing I have to do everytime Microsoft brings a new version of Windows or Office is to re-learn how to find some bread and butter things, and how to help various users (professional and family) to figure out how to do the stuff they always "used to" be able to do. I want to fly a sim. I don't want to have to learn a new interface. You mentioned this in passing that the X-Plane interface is good so perhaps that's why they kept it. I would say that's huge! Make improvements where needed, but don't overhaul something just for the shine. For me, the X-Plane 11 interface was a lot nicer than 9 and 10 before, so I am THRILLED that the interface has had so little change. Regardless, your analysis and reasoning is brilliant and extremely helpful and made me think about things in ways that I perhaps would not have. Have a great day!
Flew into KMSP last night in the pmdg 737 on MSFS and it was damn near real looking. ILS aproach and the runway appeared right at minimums. I just can get over how this still looks like it was from 2017 compared to msfs. Yes I paid 60 bucks for the 737 but that is probably as close to a real Boeing sim there is so it makes the whole thing super realistic.
XP12, early access is a joke, as of now. It’s so ugly, yet the only argument is the “flight model” bs that these arm chair pilots that have no airliner (what people seem to fly most in these sims) experience seem to run with. MSFS is miles better, imo.
@@Doggepe wow interesting which airline pilot told you this :D hahaha...flightdeck2sim a known realife 737 pilot and instructor told how the zibo mod is much better than level up in terms of realism in flight
It’s almost shocking to see something this muddy-looking and dated come out now, especially with an insane price point of $60. They had an opportunity to change a lot of things from the ground up like flight planning, a conspicuously absent ATC and the atrocious UI but instead we have a product that looks identical to XP11. This just stinks of laziness and greed.
Given the apparent low framerate in the video it looks like Russ might be using a very low end PC which is not capable of showing XPlane 12's full graphical quality! At least I hope that's the case as graphics this 'dated' run at 60fps on mobile phones these days!
@@hansloyalitat9774 flight model is not everything...hey why don't we delete all that ugly trees and buildings we dont need them all we need is a green ground and the other half of the screen as blue sky ...all we need is a fckng FLIGHT MODEL!!! wtf is wrong with you people!!!
Looks frankly awful compared to FS2020. Used to fly only on X plane11 but I feel that as fs2020 gets more realistic aircraft/systems, it will be really hard for x plane to compete. We will see.
If FS2020 gets more realistic aircraft/systems... The only thing going for FS2020 right now is the graphics and the scenery, which are undoubtedly the best on the market. But everything else is back of the class. Take out the graphics and FS2020 is battling with FSX for last place.
@@CristiNeagu Have you seen the Fenix or FBW A320/A320neo? Or the PMDG 737 series? Plus there will be a free study level Airbus from coming later this year.
@@Michael60634 I have never liked Airbus planes, so I won't comment on them. But PMDG's 737 actually has less features than the P3D version. What's more, it was clear for PMDG who is going to fly that plane, which is why they didn't bother including manuals with the install.
msfs feels like it's going to be the go to simulator for the next 10 years while xplane 12 just feels like it has a lifespan of maybe 4 years until they release xp13
@@StreagleEagle depends it has more elements for arcade style gamers but it is a very professional software when you turn the realism settings up. Especially with pmdg 737 and the fenix a320. Graphics are beautiful as well.
Very good review... I'm building a sim now. Ive always used MSFS (since the early 90's)... But those helping me build my sim are suggesting XP12. Which is a hard choice for me, mainly bc I have so much admiration for MSFS. This said, he also suggested that I can run them both? (2) and chose between them at will... I'm a student pilot with 70 hours, just about to complete my private, so predominantly my sim will be for practice and IFR training. Thanks again for the great review. This is very helpful to someone juggling to decide.
I uninstalled X-Plane 11 the day MSFS was released and have never looked back. I was interested in what x-plane has done to improve, but I'm not impressed. I'll stick to microsoft
X-Plane gives me what I want from a simulator and this beta is a nice evolution. I bought it without hesitation. There are issues of course but that's to be expected for early access. Nice video!
I strongly believe that its a reskinned XP11. I think Laminar was caught behind the 8-ball with MSFS taking over. UI is almost identical with XP12. I get this is pre-alpha but this is just bad. More of an update as opposed to a new sim.
What an exciting time to be alive. Thanks for the video and sharing your thoughts on the current state of the sims. I will continue to support both platforms !
I might wait a few months but I’ll definitely pick up XP12. I echo other peoples sentiments that I’d be happy using both XP12 and MSFS. I honestly don’t see them as naturals competitors anymore because they appeal to different crowds of people who look for different things in sims. It’s nice to have a choice, people! There is nothing wrong with that!
@@masflow09 Not sure where you got that from. MSFS has an extremely realistic flight model no matter what X-Plane fanboys say. A lot of MSFS _planes_ don't have realistic flight models, that is where people get the assumption that MSFS itself is unrealistic.
@@masflow09 I got you bro. It's really annoying how many X Plane fanboys act like MSFS isn't a "serious" flight sim just because it has better graphics. It's like they can't process a sim having good graphics and simulation at the same time.
IMO the real crux is this, XPlane is more focused on the simulation physics itself and then generates generic world objects for the most part (probably a cost cutter as a partnership with satellite imagery isn’t cheap I’m sure) but the objects it generates are high def and look good right up close albeit not always accurate. MSFS is gorgeous out of the box but a lot up close doesn’t look good and seems to have spread out there efforts all over the simulation and some (usually real world pilots) say it’s flight physics aren’t quite there. I enjoy both but I’m not a real pilot so I do prefer the real world of MSFS, it encourages exploration. I can look at a real map, see something and fly there, very cool.
Couldn't have said it any better myself! Hopefully the community comes together instead of jumping on either the MSFS train or XPlane train. Looking forward to the xplane VR review soon.
MSFS FOREVER - JK had to throw that in there to mess with you. Xplane 12 looks stunning. My pc can run 11 at decent medium settings 😅 but there’s no chance my pic could run MSFS2020. Not sure if it could run xplane 12 either 😢
It's kind of unfortunate that it'll always be a tug of war between the two, even back with FSX and XP8/9. Both have their ups and downs, but both also have their right to exist. Like many hobbies, flight simming is a subjective one. Two people won't like the same for the same reasons. But what irks me the most is the fact that neither can accept the other, so it always results in arguments about which is better, and why.
The problem is that affording both sims is practically impossible, especially with those $100 addons Those bandwagons are divided strong and it will stay that way as long as it’s hard to have both sims as the common man
I can't see why anyone would want this (yet)... it's X11 with a better plane. That's it. I found it has nothing even close to MSFS . Perhaps sound. Other than that, I am not going to drop $60 on this. Perhaps further down the road.
Something people don’t talk about is with a lot of addons, MSFS can take 20 mins to load and randomly crash. Xpane loads in 5 seconds and is very stable. I run Xplane on my Linux PC and MSFS on Windows.
Does this have a in-built around the world scenery or like x-plane 11 jus a few miles around certain airports .. I purchased X-plane 11 which had a ridiculous price and was shocked to see that it dint have those around the world sceneries like MSFS.. it was left to the user to download from 3rd party programs.. With in a week I dumped 11.. hope that's not the case here.. ???
Not sure what you mean by around the world scenery but both XP11 and XP12 have scenery coverage for the entire world. You only need to run the installer found in the X-Plane folder and select “add scenery”. Then you click the regions on a map that contain the areas you want to include. Since it can take a while to download scenery the demo only contains a small area of scenery. While the XP scenery is much improved and has a few features that are better than MSFS, it is not photo realistic and can’t compare visually. Of course XP is aimed more at serious pilot training so scenery is designed to be plausible but not exact. You can add photo scenery to XP using Ortho4XP which is free but it takes a very large hard drive and lots of downloading to cover extended regions. But XP does include worldwide scenery coverage and has since at least XP9 when I started using it
Excellent review. I agree with your opinions here. I bought it to support Laminar Research but was left a bit underwhelmed. Don't get me wrong, it is definitely improving on XP11 but visually it is not much better. Especially scenery. That said, I don't like MSFS, as to me it feels wrong.
Hilarious! That skidding sound hasn’t changed all that much since my old X-Plane 7 days. I’ve always thought the weather was superior in X-Plane. I’m glad to see the autogen scenery has improved and makes suburbs look more like suburbs. I remember in X-Plane 7 the area around San Bernardino airport looking like farmland during the Renaissance Period. I’d imagine it’s much better these days.
Yes but as a firmer x-plane fanboy they have a loooong way to go to compete with MSFS’s scenery . I usually clone the sound file for wet skid and rename it for the default dry skid to stop that infernal noise. I have been flying over 60 years have never heard the nose wheel screeching at all. I have skidded it on a snow covered runway but no sounds.
Just don't expect the scenery to hold up doing bush flying along rivers and coastlines. X-Plane scenery where land meets water is STILL all angles and straight lines, making unrealistic rivers and beaches everywhere. Same goes for roads. When Austin announced that XP12 wouldn't use real world scenery but would have improved autogen - I was at least expecting that they'd work on a better way of modelling coastlines, rivers and roads. This is probably part of the reason people say X-Plane 12 feels more like X-Plane 11.60 There's absolutely no way I'm paying for a half arsed upgrade.
Thank you for this. I only got into flight simming with MSFS (I did do a little in XPlane 11, but own little 3rd party scenery for it). I fly in VR and have seen the useability of VR in MSFS decline since about SU8, things like toolbar windows opening half size, and their positions not being remembered, really affect the experience for me. Therefore, reading the SU10 Beta VR forum is making me wonder if SU10 is actually going to break VR further, and fix nothing, and if XPlane 12 might be the way forward for me.
I have MSFS2020, and I would love for Xplane to do well, but I think this is the end unfortunately, they no longer have better flight models and the scenery really is MSFS holy grail and as much as people love planes they love scenery as well
the whole point of x-plane is the flight model.. i tried msfs, tried with several different scenarios, different flight models, different everything, it just feels more consumer grade.. i fly real planes, xp feels more realistic physics wise
Had this come out in 2019 this would have been a much bigger deal, but in 2022 it misses the mark. That being said, it's still an improvement over XP11.
From what you are showing us, graphically speaking, XPlane 12 still doesn't match the standards that MSFS has set. The clouds are not volumetric. The straight lines are still jagged and the overall textures are still not as good as MSFS. XPlane 12 is a hard pass.
They're not using live scenery? Like, they're releasing their most influential update in years, their biggest competitor has had live scenery implemented for a couple of years now and they just don't bother? What are they thinking... Where's the 'upgrade'? Some nice water reflections? Wow.
Where do you think they will get these images and stream them, Google? That’s the only real choice, and it would be a good one, but Laminar are a tiny team with a tiny amount of money compared to Asobo and Microsoft behind them. And if Microsoft hadn’t got into ground imagery to compete with Google years ago for Bing maps we wouldn’t have it in the new Flight Simulator either. It’s a lot more complicated than “they just don’t bother”.
Right now VR in x-plane 12 is truly horrible! I am sure it will improve but, for now, what a disappointment... The crystal clarity of the Varjo Aero merely serves to highlight how truly outdated and dreadful the graphics are....
@@Drmerlin604 XP12 VR on my Aero is really bad. the tracking is not smooth jumping at times and with black areas at the sides at times. What is your experience?
If you don't mind sharing. what brand and model GPU do you use? Your frame rate in X-Plans 12 is impressive. I've tried X-plane 12 and had terrible results with the frame rate, even after reducing the various CPU/GPU parameters to their lowest settings. In X-plane 11, the frame rate is excellent, using the very same equipment, with parameters set to their highest values.
@@rbarlow In a separate UA-cam video, I discovered my frame rate problem was caused setting my three (3) monitors/TVs to 4k. Reducing the resolution on the side view monitors solved the problem. Thanks for replying.
Conclusion: everything is still as ugly as the xplane 11 version. Just 2 differences which are the graphics including weather, clouds, water and buildings but even the buildings can be compared to the buildings of xplane 11. No 4k grass as in fs2020, the cabin is good although the outside view is a bit trash.
Yes MSFS definitely has a lot of advantages but for serious flight training has some drawbacks. The mandatory updates alone will scare most FAA flight training device developers away. I think they need to sell off a professional version to someone like they did FSX to Lockheed to give it a less game-like feel.
Thanks Russ. Your review was honest and fair. I have had MSFS since the DOS days, but had to drop it when it required a Playstation account, and for you to sign in every time you wanted to run the simulator. I waited and got XPlane, and found clicking a desktop icon to start refreshing, and I don't have to fiddle with it nearly as much, not to mention having to reinstall MSFS per start up. MSFS got really nasty.
Yes, $65 for MSFS plus an monthly fee to use it adds up to over $120 a year every year just to fly it. No thanks. Have X Plane 11 and enjoy that very much and it is on my hard drive so it is mine. Looking at reviews of X Plane 12 and so far it is good. The only thing that bothered me in X Plane 11 is the trees, but that is only up close not flying at altitude. This review has helped a lot.
I know a good flight game is NOT just about scenery eye candy but its just impossible for me to ignore that aspect after MSFS. XP11 gave me many happy years and I still use it alongside MSFS now and then. The issue I have (again i speak for myself only) is that this feels like a huge XP11 upgrade and not a brand new title in the series. Kinda like what Euro Truck Simulator did - they did a huge upgrade to the game engine, graphics, lighting etc. This is what XP12 feels like to me. It just looks the same as 11. For sure there are improvements but Im looking at it as a whole and it just feels so same-y. I have XP11 modded and looking great. I also hardly use it so will pass on XP12. Great video thanks!
To me x-plane 12 upgrade haven't suprised me, the hazy sky is still bothers me like the older versions, the frame rates are dropped more, syneries are not much changed, but there are more aircraft added, which it isn't cheered me up because I have a homemade simulator wich is cessna 172 , which I stocked with, there are not instruments popups added, outdoor view options are still as it was before, front view still doesn't show the "hood, and prop only", and side views don't show "wings only" , I'm just thinking if upgrading to x-plane 12 has worth for me. I wish they could at last followed the interest of x-plane users. Hopefully x-plane 12 will add more updates in future to satisfy x-plane lovers than I will buy more x-plane products.😉👍
this looks like xp11 with reshade and well optimized xenviro..... maybe real pilots will jump on this for the better physics and what not, but the rest of us peasants who never will fly a real jet, are just fine with the STUNNING visuals of MSFS This could and SHOULD have been just a free update to version xp11.6...... 60 bux is a scam
I've owned every flight sim for the last 35 years and am always excited for the release of any of them. I prefer not to get involved in the this or that between them all but since MSFS release I've been pretty exclusively using MSFS & DCS while XP11 took a back seat (really back seat I guess, haven't played it in over a year). "XP12 is like an old friend" is very telling in describing a product that has just been released. I think what the Laminar Research team has done with XP over the years is incredible (for such a small team) but I think it will be difficult for them going forward to compete with the likes of Microsoft and the resources available to them.
people seem to prefer xplane physics or other games compare to microsoft flight sim, even if its a smaller company they might get more and more people coming from microsoft flight sim
@@supernova4760 Which planes do you fly in XP12? I was quite excited about XP12 to start with but I'm really disappointed with the add-ons like FF, Magknight, SGS etc. they don't seem to care about fixing their bugs once they've got the money. In my opinion there are only Toliss and Laminar airliners that are flyable. I have flown the A350 a bit but it's just hit and miss whether it follows the flight plan. It's a shame because the simulator itself is very good. It takes the fun out of it when things don't work.
Tnx Russ ..what about AP & Runways curvature, and I'm wondering how long it will take for our oddons, plugin, & Hardware to be migrated to the new XP12 ????
Yikes... MS has NOTHING to worry about. I made the switch 14 months ago and this "update" makes me happy to know I am not missing anything.... sorry XPlane... ya missed your chance!
Hey, Russ! Thanks for the video. At about 11:20, you make the comment, "For pilot training and certified simulation, XPLANE has a real leg up (over MSFS)." Are you still referring to the weather features? or something else? Are you comparing it to the latest version of MS Flight Simulator? I'm a student pilot and almost daily I here an experienced pilot say, "If you want pretty graphics, choose MSFS, but if you want realism, choose XPlane." (I would argue that realistic graphics is part of realism). Having more than 200 hours in MSFS in parallel with my real training and a few hours in XPlane, I'm not sure what they mean. However, I just invested heavily in an XPlane 12 simulator for my flying club, and I really want to be an XPlane fan like the other guys. Please help me out and tell me specifically why it's superior for flight training. Thanks again - I really appreciate your time.
wondering the same thing. I am not a real world pilot but I wonder if X-plane early in their development got a partnership with the FAA/certified flying schools and those have remained today. despite some glaring unrealistic aspects? MSFS if far superior in how realistic it sounds and looks for VFR. In addition X-plane has all kinds of flickering issues including night lighting, and oddly placed autogen and unrealistic lighting placement which I wouldn't see as helpful for learning to fly IRL.
Perhaps that models real life more realistically? Small ariplanes can be quite hard to control. I bought the full copy and was very impressed by the handling of the J3. I also bought the M7 Maule and that handles very well too. In a real taildragger you get the tail up and then stay on the main wheels using the rudder for directional control until flying speed is reached. This is pretty good in XP12, so far. The challenge will be to see how the Stinson performs, it is terrible in XP11.
It is you and the equipment used, planes don't drive straight down runway, physics pulls it in one direction or other. XP models that properly, MSFS does not if the plane maker doesn't force it into the lookups. So if you aren't used to that and with the lack of force feed back on cheaper gear, you will have a hard time.
Microsoft needs to purchase the night lighting effects engine from Laminar and call it a day. There’s no room for more than one consumer based flight sim.
Thank you Russ for a considered review. I get a bit annoyed with some comments on various fora bagging either X-Plane or MSFS. I would like to hope that most simmers can enjoy both. Let's face it, if you have a computer that will run one of them it will probably run the other, and the cost of the product, at least in base form, should not be prohibitive for most simmers. I can drink Coke OR Pepsi (in moderation of course!)
MSFS. never runs on my PC either didnt install, now just crashes on startup. So uninstalled it yet again…They never figured it out while Xplane just installed as any other normal programme. I like the look of the new lighting in XPlane 12!!! So I will go and check out their web site. Thanks Laurie NZ
I used to be BIG into X-Plane 11, but when MSFS 2020 came out, that completely changed my perspective in flight simulators. X-Plane 12 is cool, and definetly a big upgrade from X-Plane 11, but for me it still doesn't even come close to being compared to MSFS 2020
My biggest problem with MSFS2020 is that, in VR, the cockpit has a lot of stutter as I look around (I'm running a pretty beefy system with an 10th gen i7, 32 GB of RAM, and an RTX 3090). Not only is this immersion breaking, but it's extremely distracting. I'm hoping that X-Plane 12 will offer a better experience, especially since it is regarded as the better platform to use to augment flight training.
Hi Russ. I am a newbie newbie and only just getting my feet wet with flight simulators. I have a question for you: do you a joystick or mouse to control your aircraft? In this video you mentioned using the mouse which made me curious to ask. I would think that using a joystick might give one more control, but I'm not sure about that. When you have a moment, could you let me know. If anyone else can enlighten me on whether a mouse or joystick is best, I'd appreciate it very much.
A little off script here Russ. But with todays computers being released with AMDs Rizen 7000 series CPUs and Intels 13 Gen CPUs and Nvidias 4000 GPU series, do you think you would be able to get by with one computer system or would you still need two to run your physical cockpit using XP-12 or MSFS. I've viewed your prior videos testing whether one computer would do and was curious if computer technology has reached a point that would allow a one computer hookup to a physical cockpit with multi monitors like yours to operate smoothly with no hiccups or bottlenecks? Or anyone else with an opinion, please chime in. Thanks for the enlightenment and education.
If you can live with less than maxed out graphics I think a single top of the line can handle it. It does greatly simplify life to maintain only one computer. I can run MSFS or XP11 with 3 visual screens plus Air manage and pop outs on two attritional monitors(using a Pluggable) and get pretty nice results.
It's odd... It clearly tells that you're having around 70FPS, but the whole thing looks choppy as if it was barely approaching 20. Is it some kind of YT issue? Was it fluid when you were actually playing?
Ai atc is really kinda silly. Why not use VATSIM for free or Pilotedge for $20 mo. AI ATC is lightyears away from RW. IMO it is a waste of money for small company like LR.
Laminar needs to improve the texture of the airplanes ...They are using the old xp11 platform. It would be good to have sharp and clean textures and more faithful to the real aircrafts ...
Cant play msfs 2020 especially since scenary is just empty and blank (due to my location even if I have high speed internet). Going to stick with xp12 to at least see some buildings.
Really poor picture of this world ... just fly with MSFS2020 from now on !!! Since Update 10 ... it`s clearly the new king of the Sims ... pray for LR and Mr. M. !!! ---
I love X-Plane 11 but am shocked at X-pane 12. It looks like Microsoft, and the scenery does look to be an improvement but I'm not seeing that improvement in resolution of the cockpit instruments. X-Plane advise that the issue is my computer that exceeds by a good margin the minimum requirements. What I'm seeing is better outside but not inside. The video I'm seeing here on this video is exactly what I'm seeing on trial X-plane 12 trial. Yes, the weather looks better but the X-plane 11 was already very good. What I'm interested in is the quality and sound of ATC audio
True. On first impressions videos I refrain from commenting on small issues but I think many are curious about the big picture. Major changes and new features. To not comment on how these compare to MSFS would be to ignore the elephant in the room. If you have read my responses to comments for this video you would note I have constantly reminded commenters that this is a first beta and a fair comparison is not possible.
Think of X-Plane 12 as a donation button. Instead of only spending $1,000s of money currencies on 3rd party addons, throw Laminar a $60 bone now and then, seeing as how the _entire_ ecosystem wouldn't even exist without them.
Cool beans Russ!…is it out for sale? Did anybody ever tell you, you sound like the “Mooch”? A fighter pilot retired- is it a pro pilot thing🤣🦅…thanks again for ur incites. Gonna grab more knobster guts if that still out there.
If you're worried about scenery when you're taking off or landing I wouldn't want to fly with you I have both Sims on my computer when taking off in mfs2020 I could care less about scenery I'm paying attention to the runway same as xp12 there just sims.
When you took of in the citation, you were getting 50 fps. But then you looked left out the window and the scenery was going past very stuttery. Can you xplane what this is about? Also when you look around the cockpit. It's not smooth even for your 90fps in the cessna. It looked very blocky. I think I will stick with msfs. I haven't touched xplane in 3 years and nothing is convincing me to get it.
Xp12 is simply an update of Xp11. That’s what it feels like. Definitely not worth additional money - not as a full price new game. Sorry but I’m not buying it. They need to bring in Google maps at the least, not to mention match or come close to the new standard.
X-plane 12 fails to inform the user as to the state or Aircraft purchased for X-plane 11. Will they work? The x-plane 12 introduction is not designed for serious users and or those who have invested a pilot of money into a gaming computer, and video card etc.
I installed xp12 today and already not happy. Can't update the database with Navigraph yet so get an alert that navdata is out of date. Also on the C172 the obs knob on Nav 2 doesn't work. I don't find the graphic any better the xp 11 where I fly.
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Wow the graphics make me recall my FSX time in my old laptop, so outdated!
I think that xplane 12 being so similar to xplane 11 in terms of structure of files and other things like that is really important since it means a lot of plugins or modifications are compatible from the start without being forced to wait for everything to become compatible
I was excited for this game; but it's just not enough of an upgrade from XP11 to justify buying it. It just seems like a slight graphics upgrade with a few more default planes for 60 dollars. Compared to FS2020, I would barely open this game, especially considering I'm seeing reports that the CFD simulation on the Cessna 172 is highly realistic, and more realistic than XP11. Along with that, products like the Fenix just set a new bar for flight simulation addons.
I think they dropped the ball with this one. I don't see where the development time has gone into. PBR textures, HDR lighting? We had HDR lighting starting with Half-Life 2: Lost coast. That came out in 2005!
PBR textures are great, but the game still looks undersaturated in some parts. It's also very heavily aliased.
It just seems like they didn't hire enough people who know what they're doing when it comes to visuals.
The clouds are also a nice addition, but they're very low resolution. They stick out.
So we've got very little improvement across the board. When it comes to graphics, in every single metric, FS2020 has Xp12 beat, from a technical and aesthetic standpoint. When it comes to physics, stock, Xp11 / 12 beats fs2020; with mods, Fs2020 is tied with XP, beats it, or lags slightly behind it, depending on the category. In scenery, FS2020 beats xplane. In weather, FS2020 beats xplane. It's simply a more advanced simulation.
Couple that with the just absolute flood of updates we've been getting with FS2020, the storm of addons, and the sheer visual quality difference, I just don't see a reason to get xp12, other than to maybe train on a specific aircraft, or unless you need one specific plane, or if you like long-haul flights specifically.
I'm disappointed. The community at large seems disappointed. I'm glad they released it. But I'm not happy with what they released. This sort of stuff would literally constitute two or three FREE Sim Updates in fs2020, and yet they're selling it for 60 dollars?
There's also the 40th anniversary update for FS2020 adding even MORE free planes. It's ridiculous how much Microsoft and Asobo are spoiling us with this game.
Anyway, rant over. I really, really hope they get their act together in a few more updates, because this is just disappointing. I was hoping for so much more than this, I was hoping for competition between Laminar and Microsoft. It's just not happening.
Nice video, though!
I understand that they completely revamped a lot of stuff under the hood, and that they will continually improve the sim now that they have the base stuff in place. But yeah for now the full price isn't justified. Maybe if they had some discount for the early adopters. Do note that Laminar doesn't have the resources that Asobo and MS have, so you can't compare the speed of development. In some regards, MSFS is still lacking some features that they don't seem to care about.
@concodroid I agree with almost everything you say. The only thing XP does nicely is the "feel" of flying.
I too cannot see where all the dev time has gone. "Under the hood"? Lets not forget, the last 2 years of XP11 leading up to .5 was "under the hood" conversion into Vulcan. This just feels like XP11.6. Some of the clouds and rain graphics are truly awful. The scenery looks like something from a chap video game from the '90s.
It's such a shame. I used XP11 a lot with tons of addons and was really hoping that Laminar had managed to pull off something improved given the long years they have had in development, but no. Laminar seems too dependent on Austin, who, as brilliant as he is, can't do it all. They missed their shot and I , much to my chagrin, won't be buying XP12 unless something changes.
i dont see any proper hdr here, there are no tone/exposure mapping, luminance bloom, and ldr ... which should be basic for hdr lighting
MFS has a very bad flight model and its addons are highly unrealistic, the fenix is a pretty bad addon, flight factor a320 is better in every way, and the graphics of mfs 2020 are good but unrealistic. Over saturated graphics, with blurry ground textures, and bad airport models, Xplane still wins in the realism category.
I agree
As a real pilot who uses my sim mostly for IFR practice, the weather in XP 11 always annoyed me because it was never accurate from a visibility or ceiling perspective. But since XP 11 was so much more realistic and accurate from a G1000 systems perspective, MSFS never did it for me. The weather and cloud updates were the one thing I was really hoping for in XP 12 and am really glad they made significant improvements to the weather. Thanks for the review!
What do think about the new G1000 Nxi from working title that is being added to the base sim in Sim Update 10? Seems to have more features than the xplane 11 version. Have you tried it yet?
MFS2020 is not really a simulator at all it's a game... For me it's X-Plane forever but since my bad GPU I have to still on X-Plane 11. Btw for small VFR flight it's true MFS2020 can be nice.... even if flight physic is kinda trash..
@@torusx8564 hahah. I had a good chuckle at your ridiculous statement about MSFS not being a simulator. But if it makes you feel better you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of how silly. As far as I'm concern, xplane 11 and MSFS are both good simulators. For me MSFS is hands down the most immersive simulator on the market and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. It is great that xplane is trying to keep things interesting with competition but they have a long way to go with xplane 12 to make it good.
@@ryanwright3965 Bruh... I dont like saying MFS is a sim mainly because only gamers play it. It was created for amusement and not to simulate a real aircraft for pilot training instead of X-Plane known as a real flight simulator for professional. Flight physic is much better in X-Plane than MFS2020. MFS is only graphics you dont have a lot option like in X-Plane. Btw the way u say people are silly without knowing them show your incompetence in this field. I hold there arguement from a real pilot "father dane" on UA-cam. Graphics are really not important for a flight sim.
@@torusx8564 So when you fly in the real world you dont see nothing from the time you start the aircraft to the time you park all you do is look at instruments? Do you know xplane without hardware and an instructor is not faa certified right? How long XP has been out vs MSFS? A lot of developers are ditching xp and p3d and guess where they going. To say MSFS is only used by gamers is so stupid. I guess Fenix, PMdG are fake. I guess the new crosswind in msfs is fake too. So tired of these chair simmers thinking they know it all.
I've been an Xplane user since ver 4 or 5 (when it came with a paper booklet) all the way up to 11. MSFS user since the early days (mid 1980s). Love them both in different ways, but no way will I be paying 60 bucks for XP12. Looks like a minor upgrade to XP11 based on the few videos I've seen.
Yeah, was expeecting something that really makes it stand out, but it looks the same.
It's realllly disappointing. I've been waiting for XP12 for so long, and it feels like Laminar has just been twiddling their thumbs if this is all we got. I know it's early access but I hope Laminar doesn't think that's a free pass to trickle in the improvements at a slower pace now that some cash is flowing. I dunno, this is the first time I've ever seen a flight sim in early access.
+1
Agreed with some comments in the sense that currently it is not enough of an upgrade from XP 11. Will probably be worth taking a look at in a year time.
Yeah really had to tell at this first beta.... I was looking for the big picture and overlooking the smaller issues I assume they will work out. Time will tell.
This should have been in XP 11 already. Just another coat of paint for a quick cash grab. Austin is more about self promoting, than actual future developments of his software. Staying with MSFS. They seem determined to focus on the future, not stuck in the past. Real world vs Sim world. Consider how long XP has been around. It hasn't aged well.
It sucks unless you have a real high end computer, FS2020 is way better. X plane 12 is an upgrade to X plane 11, not really a big deal, save your money.
From the videos I've seen, what a disappointment ! Looks like the next version of XP 11. Same "scenery" and those Minecraft roads. How bad.
What a letdown. I'm sure we'll soon see that brownish haze that ruined 11 also. well, so much for waiting.
Everybody complaining is just complaining about graphics. Seriously, go play fortnite. I don’t give a fuck about graphics
You can't honestly say xp12 has better systems than MSFS and then show the A330 with a Boeing fmc 2 minutes later. At least the default A320 in MSFS has an Airbus FMGC in it...
For other planes MSFS will get the G1000 NXi by default which is pretty much a 1:1 of the real G1000 and it will be available in every default plane using the G1000.
For third-party there are very high fidelity aircraft available such as PMDG 737 and Fenix A320. The Fenix A320 is on par with FlightFactor A320, and you get all the graphics benefits of MSFS on top.
I'm not saying XP12 is a bad sim, but don't say things that just isn't true as people blindly repeat it over and over even if there is no facts backing it.
The problem Xeno is a lot of folks are stuck in the past. They see X-Plane 10 or 11 say as always having better system modeling than FSX. The truth is MSFS has shown itself to be a capable platform to support study level aircraft as good as anything you'll see in DCS World and X-Plane and with the introduction of iniBuilds adding study level default aircraft and Working Title updating the default systems you really can't say MSFS is left wanting when it comes to system modelling.
MSFS G1000 isn't realidtic at all. It can't even replicate same collors.
Xplane has better physics, i bet it is more stable.
FS2020 has a bad interface, has some bugs yet that exists since launch day.
With more than 1000 hours logged with real NXi, MSFS’s G1000 is not real and for some control parts, X-Plane is even still better and more real than MSFS… plus the map and reposition functions, X-Plane is still way more closer to training level sim than MSFS, it’s a good game but talking about sim not really :/
You two are not talking about the same G1000 implementaton as I am. You currently have to download it from the marketplace
@@apreaze he's talking about g1000 nxi addon u definitely haven't tried it tho that's for sure cause from what u r saying I don't even know if u have tried the sim at least not any time close
The only reason you'd buy this over MSFS 20 is loyalty, its like me buying AMD over Intel, its because I know more about AMD well and will stay loyal to AMD!
I disagree. Some people, mainly serious sim pilots, or real pilots, will buy X-Plane because of the physics that are built in and the superior flight modelling.
Others will buy MSFS because of the fantastic scenery and not be so concerned about accurate handling. Some people will have both and maybe some others as well. It all depends what you want from the sim. I don't have the time or money to invest in 2 or 3 sims + addons so I will stick with X-Plane. If I had thought that MSFS would be better than buying XP12 then I would have considered it but the reviews I have read would suggest otherwise. But, that is only my opinion, of course. YMMV 🙂
Ugly It’s 2022 not 2002 I think I saw a stick man fueling a plane in the background
I have been flying around in the demo version, essentially I am a newcomer to Xplane entirely. I am not at all convinced by all this talk of the flight model, to me this feels like flying on rails. Perhaps the demo is somehow running in an easy mode, turns and rudder feel extremely smooth.. like flying in a perfectly stable air mass. In the real world at low VFR altitudes during the day, you are mostly going to experience pockets of warmer air causing some turbulance and disturbance. MSFS models this pretty well I have to say. It does not appear that Xplane does. MSFS feels closer to reality when flying around VFR, and obviously the visuals are not even close. So my initial impression is that Xplane 12 is great for easy flying with that super stable air, but it appears to me that people rave about the flight model because it is very simplistic comparatively to MSFS. I have more real world flying hours than simulator hours incidentally, so take my opinion for what it is, just my initial impression.
nope... that's default aircraft for ya...
when people talk about flight model, it depends on the effort the developer puts in to make it good... really doesn't matter the simulator anymore.
It just appears that because of the longer period of time, X Plane has produced more flight model favoured aircraft (Like air foil labs C172)
It'll come to MSFS, it'll take time.
In VR, turbulence is the devil and causes poor framerates.
@@starflexthe2nd I am very ready to admit I am wrong, I guess I am posting my initial impressions with a touch of disappointment. Perhaps I do need to look at the addon aircraft to see if that changes my mind. I have not yet purchased Xplane but probably will.
@@wingandaprayer883 You are probably not wrong! The selling point is the flight model, why would the developer let someone else do the modeling?
You are right but brace for getting a lot of rant from X-Plane fanboys.
It's just an ugly outdated sim, simple as that, it's always had horrible anti-aliasing making it look like an early 2000s game, they've never bothered to address it, instead focusing on 3d trees, I'm about to uninstall it, how can you get immersed in something which looks so far from reality your imagination literally cannot compensate for it, every time I fly I'm telling myself to ignore the flickering roads, trees, buildings, clouds, pretty much everything in the sim has a horrible flicker aspect to it. OK the flight model in MSFS is not as good but at least it actually looks somewhat like real life.
great stuff russ! im getting back into x plane after having taken a break from it after my multi engine checkride! cant wait for this to be complete!
5:05 I was expecting a much more beautiful setting, a more lifelike landscape, this is very "plastic"! Oylan, it's like X-plne 11 has been a bit jazzed up, but that's it! For me the feeling is important, not just the technical simulation precision!
You state it well,”plastic”. It just feels a bit artificial looking compared to MSFS.
Ur right. But it's not only World it's also the graphics. They are barely better then xplane 11 graphics.
If you watch other reviews, on max settings it barely renders shadows correctly. Disappointing.
That's what I use MSFS for, sightseeing.... and tweaking being a retired Navy AT and engineer that's retired ; )
O7
Trees and weather are good but xp 12 needs more polish. I like the flight physics. But I think in the age of Google Maps in 2 or 5 years XP will have a very hard time without satellite scenery.
Currently using MSFS and XP, cant decide.
Keep using both. It's not a crime!
@@Mercwerx2unfortunately not everyone sees it like that.
My MSFS does not have "blobs" for scenery when I get close. It only does that if you have slow internet.
my advice to everyone, this is EARLY RELEASE! things will be fixed and updated.
I like your Videos Russ! As you, (obviously) I have logged a couple of hours as a commercial and AF pilot. Right now and even more so with XP12 I believe we are truly on the edge of a new era of flight training. Currently, I am rated on the Challenger 650 and when I look at X-Aviation’s Challenger Simulation for XP11 I must say it is really stunning, unbelievable …
I REALLY appreciated your real world insights and very detailed analysis of the updates etc. I'm in IT and your notes on consistency of the pop outs (which ones pop out and which do not), using a Ctrl or Alt click to pop them out and from a UX perspective, these are quite big things for them to add. This is early access so hopefully they can bring that consistency in before the full/final (what's final these days) release.
For that same reason (IT experience), I disagree with your perspective that the Interface is too similar. The most painful thing I have to do everytime Microsoft brings a new version of Windows or Office is to re-learn how to find some bread and butter things, and how to help various users (professional and family) to figure out how to do the stuff they always "used to" be able to do. I want to fly a sim. I don't want to have to learn a new interface. You mentioned this in passing that the X-Plane interface is good so perhaps that's why they kept it. I would say that's huge! Make improvements where needed, but don't overhaul something just for the shine. For me, the X-Plane 11 interface was a lot nicer than 9 and 10 before, so I am THRILLED that the interface has had so little change.
Regardless, your analysis and reasoning is brilliant and extremely helpful and made me think about things in ways that I perhaps would not have. Have a great day!
Flew into KMSP last night in the pmdg 737 on MSFS and it was damn near real looking. ILS aproach and the runway appeared right at minimums. I just can get over how this still looks like it was from 2017 compared to msfs. Yes I paid 60 bucks for the 737 but that is probably as close to a real Boeing sim there is so it makes the whole thing super realistic.
Cant wait for VR review in XPlane12
XP12, early access is a joke, as of now. It’s so ugly, yet the only argument is the “flight model” bs that these arm chair pilots that have no airliner (what people seem to fly most in these sims) experience seem to run with. MSFS is miles better, imo.
The order to which aircraft fly closer to the real 737 is as following: LevelUP 737NG > Zibo 737 > PMDG
@A Dor That’s your opinion. It looks much better than v12 and I like the new look. That’s just my opinion
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@@Doggepe wow interesting which airline pilot told you this :D hahaha...flightdeck2sim a known realife 737 pilot and instructor told how the zibo mod is much better than level up in terms of realism in flight
@@peter-mv5gk I am an airline pilot and I don't agree. I think the Zibo is more stable and feels closer to the MAX rather than the NG
It’s almost shocking to see something this muddy-looking and dated come out now, especially with an insane price point of $60. They had an opportunity to change a lot of things from the ground up like flight planning, a conspicuously absent ATC and the atrocious UI but instead we have a product that looks identical to XP11. This just stinks of laziness and greed.
It looks realistic not muddy and not dated at all, I prefer this over the child like mfs 2020.
Given the apparent low framerate in the video it looks like Russ might be using a very low end PC which is not capable of showing XPlane 12's full graphical quality! At least I hope that's the case as graphics this 'dated' run at 60fps on mobile phones these days!
The answer is simple that dude owner of X11 desperately needs some retirement cash.........
@@Voltomess A real airbus pilot tried xplane12 and said that the flight model is superior to mfs.
@@hansloyalitat9774 flight model is not everything...hey why don't we delete all that ugly trees and buildings we dont need them all we need is a green ground and the other half of the screen as blue sky ...all we need is a fckng FLIGHT MODEL!!! wtf is wrong with you people!!!
Looks frankly awful compared to FS2020. Used to fly only on X plane11 but I feel that as fs2020 gets more realistic aircraft/systems, it will be really hard for x plane to compete. We will see.
If FS2020 gets more realistic aircraft/systems... The only thing going for FS2020 right now is the graphics and the scenery, which are undoubtedly the best on the market. But everything else is back of the class. Take out the graphics and FS2020 is battling with FSX for last place.
@@CristiNeagu Have you seen the Fenix or FBW A320/A320neo? Or the PMDG 737 series? Plus there will be a free study level Airbus from coming later this year.
@@Michael60634 I have never liked Airbus planes, so I won't comment on them. But PMDG's 737 actually has less features than the P3D version. What's more, it was clear for PMDG who is going to fly that plane, which is why they didn't bother including manuals with the install.
Because it doesnt need to look good, flight physics is the main importance here.
i went island hopping in vr starting in the bahamas, very disappointed :/
With MSFS out X-Plane is back to be the joke it was.
😂 😂😂 😂 😂 😂
msfs feels like it's going to be the go to simulator for the next 10 years while xplane 12 just feels like it has a lifespan of maybe 4 years until they release xp13
Msfs to me looks like a.. game style, arcade kinda sim for beginners most of the time however i do love the scenery and graphics etc. I might get both
@@StreagleEagle depends it has more elements for arcade style gamers but it is a very professional software when you turn the realism settings up. Especially with pmdg 737 and the fenix a320. Graphics are beautiful as well.
@@StreagleEagle with plenty of mods, msfs is pretty much realistic.
Very good review... I'm building a sim now. Ive always used MSFS (since the early 90's)... But those helping me build my sim are suggesting XP12. Which is a hard choice for me, mainly bc I have so much admiration for MSFS. This said, he also suggested that I can run them both? (2) and chose between them at will... I'm a student pilot with 70 hours, just about to complete my private, so predominantly my sim will be for practice and IFR training. Thanks again for the great review. This is very helpful to someone juggling to decide.
they are both just computer games you could easily install and try them
I uninstalled X-Plane 11 the day MSFS was released and have never looked back. I was interested in what x-plane has done to improve, but I'm not impressed. I'll stick to microsoft
X-Plane gives me what I want from a simulator and this beta is a nice evolution. I bought it without hesitation. There are issues of course but that's to be expected for early access. Nice video!
Some people forget this is the first beta and have written off XP 12. Still a long way to go before the product is officially released.
I strongly believe that its a reskinned XP11. I think Laminar was caught behind the 8-ball with MSFS taking over. UI is almost identical with XP12. I get this is pre-alpha but this is just bad. More of an update as opposed to a new sim.
Exactly
They got caught slipping. They were on cruise control and then msfs came out of nowhere and they panicked
The answer is simple that dude owner of X11 desperately needs some retirement cash.........
the day MSFS2020 was released Austion didnt even realise the new MSFS2020 was even out!
What an exciting time to be alive. Thanks for the video and sharing your thoughts on the current state of the sims. I will continue to support both platforms !
looks like 2005 graphics
Excellent review Russ, much appreciated.
I might wait a few months but I’ll definitely pick up XP12. I echo other peoples sentiments that I’d be happy using both XP12 and MSFS. I honestly don’t see them as naturals competitors anymore because they appeal to different crowds of people who look for different things in sims. It’s nice to have a choice, people! There is nothing wrong with that!
so you saying by that MSFS is not for real pilots or for IFR?
@@masflow09 Not sure where you got that from. MSFS has an extremely realistic flight model no matter what X-Plane fanboys say. A lot of MSFS _planes_ don't have realistic flight models, that is where people get the assumption that MSFS itself is unrealistic.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken i asked Joe J a question lol im not the one saying it is fake.
@@masflow09 I got you bro. It's really annoying how many X Plane fanboys act like MSFS isn't a "serious" flight sim just because it has better graphics. It's like they can't process a sim having good graphics and simulation at the same time.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken they dont have that immersion in XP so that is why lol
I agree XP12 is not yet ready for serious use...lots of bugs remain and it worries me they call these Release Candidates
IMO the real crux is this, XPlane is more focused on the simulation physics itself and then generates generic world objects for the most part (probably a cost cutter as a partnership with satellite imagery isn’t cheap I’m sure) but the objects it generates are high def and look good right up close albeit not always accurate. MSFS is gorgeous out of the box but a lot up close doesn’t look good and seems to have spread out there efforts all over the simulation and some (usually real world pilots) say it’s flight physics aren’t quite there. I enjoy both but I’m not a real pilot so I do prefer the real world of MSFS, it encourages exploration. I can look at a real map, see something and fly there, very cool.
Couldn't have said it any better myself! Hopefully the community comes together instead of jumping on either the MSFS train or XPlane train. Looking forward to the xplane VR review soon.
MSFS FOREVER - JK had to throw that in there to mess with you.
Xplane 12 looks stunning. My pc can run 11 at decent medium settings 😅 but there’s no chance my pic could run MSFS2020.
Not sure if it could run xplane 12 either 😢
@@HotTakeHQ actually i ran both at similar settings, and XP12 ran much worse, and looked much worse at the same quality settings
@@ravenn22 hmmmmm 😬 interesting
It's kind of unfortunate that it'll always be a tug of war between the two, even back with FSX and XP8/9. Both have their ups and downs, but both also have their right to exist. Like many hobbies, flight simming is a subjective one. Two people won't like the same for the same reasons. But what irks me the most is the fact that neither can accept the other, so it always results in arguments about which is better, and why.
The problem is that affording both sims is practically impossible, especially with those $100 addons
Those bandwagons are divided strong and it will stay that way as long as it’s hard to have both sims as the common man
I can't see why anyone would want this (yet)... it's X11 with a better plane. That's it. I found it has nothing even close to MSFS . Perhaps sound. Other than that, I am not going to drop $60 on this. Perhaps further down the road.
Something people don’t talk about is with a lot of addons, MSFS can take 20 mins to load and randomly crash. Xpane loads in 5 seconds and is very stable. I run Xplane on my Linux PC and MSFS on Windows.
Is the scenery not finished jet? Looks like a dummy scenery...
Does this have a in-built around the world scenery or like x-plane 11 jus a few miles around certain airports .. I purchased X-plane 11 which had a ridiculous price and was shocked to see that it dint have those around the world sceneries like MSFS.. it was left to the user to download from 3rd party programs..
With in a week I dumped 11.. hope that's not the case here..
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Not sure what you mean by around the world scenery but both XP11 and XP12 have scenery coverage for the entire world. You only need to run the installer found in the X-Plane folder and select “add scenery”. Then you click the regions on a map that contain the areas you want to include. Since it can take a while to download scenery the demo only contains a small area of scenery. While the XP scenery is much improved and has a few features that are better than MSFS, it is not photo realistic and can’t compare visually. Of course XP is aimed more at serious pilot training so scenery is designed to be plausible but not exact. You can add photo scenery to XP using Ortho4XP which is free but it takes a very large hard drive and lots of downloading to cover extended regions. But XP does include worldwide scenery coverage and has since at least XP9 when I started using it
@@rbarlow thanks a ton for the information.. happy landings
Excellent review. I agree with your opinions here. I bought it to support Laminar Research but was left a bit underwhelmed. Don't get me wrong, it is definitely improving on XP11 but visually it is not much better. Especially scenery. That said, I don't like MSFS, as to me it feels wrong.
Hilarious! That skidding sound hasn’t changed all that much since my old X-Plane 7 days.
I’ve always thought the weather was superior in X-Plane.
I’m glad to see the autogen scenery has improved and makes suburbs look more like suburbs. I remember in X-Plane 7 the area around San Bernardino airport looking like farmland during the Renaissance Period. I’d imagine it’s much better these days.
Yes but as a firmer x-plane fanboy they have a loooong way to go to compete with MSFS’s scenery . I usually clone the sound file for wet skid and rename it for the default dry skid to stop that infernal noise. I have been flying over 60 years have never heard the nose wheel screeching at all. I have skidded it on a snow covered runway but no sounds.
Just don't expect the scenery to hold up doing bush flying along rivers and coastlines. X-Plane scenery where land meets water is STILL all angles and straight lines, making unrealistic rivers and beaches everywhere. Same goes for roads. When Austin announced that XP12 wouldn't use real world scenery but would have improved autogen - I was at least expecting that they'd work on a better way of modelling coastlines, rivers and roads. This is probably part of the reason people say X-Plane 12 feels more like X-Plane 11.60 There's absolutely no way I'm paying for a half arsed upgrade.
Thank you for this. I only got into flight simming with MSFS (I did do a little in XPlane 11, but own little 3rd party scenery for it). I fly in VR and have seen the useability of VR in MSFS decline since about SU8, things like toolbar windows opening half size, and their positions not being remembered, really affect the experience for me. Therefore, reading the SU10 Beta VR forum is making me wonder if SU10 is actually going to break VR further, and fix nothing, and if XPlane 12 might be the way forward for me.
I have MSFS2020, and I would love for Xplane to do well, but I think this is the end unfortunately, they no longer have better flight models and the scenery really is MSFS holy grail and as much as people love planes they love scenery as well
uhm....yes they have better flight models, even way better
the whole point of x-plane is the flight model.. i tried msfs, tried with several different scenarios, different flight models, different everything, it just feels more consumer grade.. i fly real planes, xp feels more realistic physics wise
Had this come out in 2019 this would have been a much bigger deal, but in 2022 it misses the mark. That being said, it's still an improvement over XP11.
Well, as a professional pilot, I’d never use MSFS - XP11/12 however is fantastic!
@@matthiaskalt7041 what makes xp11/12 better than the fenix a320 or msfs in general?
@@LetsAaron nothing.
Is there an add on where the IPad window mount falls of on takeoff and approach at the most in opportune time? That would be great, thanks.
I’m not even a little impressed. This would be great if it were 2013, but in Sept 2022, it’s a let down.
I'm working on my instrument rating and your comments about being able to set precise ceilings and visibilities plus the video does it for me
Performance optimisation is horrendous compared to msfs 2020
This XP11.8 version costs $60?
X-Plane is more friendly and "easier" to use - MFS is SO strange build and to use, and makes no sense at all.
From what you are showing us, graphically speaking, XPlane 12 still doesn't match the standards that MSFS has set. The clouds are not volumetric. The straight lines are still jagged and the overall textures are still not as good as MSFS. XPlane 12 is a hard pass.
They're not using live scenery? Like, they're releasing their most influential update in years, their biggest competitor has had live scenery implemented for a couple of years now and they just don't bother? What are they thinking... Where's the 'upgrade'? Some nice water reflections? Wow.
Where do you think they will get these images and stream them, Google? That’s the only real choice, and it would be a good one, but Laminar are a tiny team with a tiny amount of money compared to Asobo and Microsoft behind them. And if Microsoft hadn’t got into ground imagery to compete with Google years ago for Bing maps we wouldn’t have it in the new Flight Simulator either. It’s a lot more complicated than “they just don’t bother”.
Hi. After using X-Plane 11 for a few months, I am now trying V12. The scenery is much better but the problem for me is the lack of PAPI’s. Frank
MSFS 2020 : All electronic cockpit panels pop out by pressing Right Alt + Left Mouse click (default).
And my point was that XP12 should have something similar so a standard mouse click could be used on touch screen displays
I will use both, just like I did with 11 and MSFS. Although I like flying VFR, overall I have always preferred X-Plane.
Right now VR in x-plane 12 is truly horrible! I am sure it will improve but, for now, what a disappointment... The crystal clarity of the Varjo Aero merely serves to highlight how truly outdated and dreadful the graphics are....
@@Drmerlin604 XP12 VR on my Aero is really bad. the tracking is not smooth jumping at times and with black areas at the sides at times. What is your experience?
If you don't mind sharing. what brand and model GPU do you use? Your frame rate in X-Plans 12 is impressive. I've tried X-plane 12 and had terrible results with the frame rate, even after reducing the various CPU/GPU parameters to their lowest settings. In X-plane 11, the frame rate is excellent, using the very same equipment, with parameters set to their highest values.
The cpu can be the limiting factor too so it’s a balance. I have an i9-12900K cpu and a nVidia RTX3080TI
@@rbarlow In a separate UA-cam video, I discovered my frame rate problem was caused setting my three (3) monitors/TVs to 4k. Reducing the resolution on the side view monitors solved the problem. Thanks for replying.
Very poor graphics compared to fs2020.
Price too highfor a simple xp11 upgrade
Conclusion: everything is still as ugly as the xplane 11 version. Just 2 differences which are the graphics including weather, clouds, water and buildings but even the buildings can be compared to the buildings of xplane 11. No 4k grass as in fs2020, the cabin is good although the outside view is a bit trash.
Yes MSFS definitely has a lot of advantages but for serious flight training has some drawbacks. The mandatory updates alone will scare most FAA flight training device developers away. I think they need to sell off a professional version to someone like they did FSX to Lockheed to give it a less game-like feel.
@@rbarlowYe
Thanks Russ. Your review was honest and fair. I have had MSFS since the DOS days, but had to drop it when it required a Playstation account, and for you to sign in every time you wanted to run the simulator. I waited and got XPlane, and found clicking a desktop icon to start refreshing, and I don't have to fiddle with it nearly as much, not to mention having to reinstall MSFS per start up. MSFS got really nasty.
Yes, $65 for MSFS plus an monthly fee to use it adds up to over $120 a year every year just to fly it. No thanks. Have X Plane 11 and enjoy that very much and it is on my hard drive so it is mine. Looking at reviews of X Plane 12 and so far it is good. The only thing that bothered me in X Plane 11 is the trees, but that is only up close not flying at altitude. This review has helped a lot.
I know a good flight game is NOT just about scenery eye candy but its just impossible for me to ignore that aspect after MSFS. XP11 gave me many happy years and I still use it alongside MSFS now and then. The issue I have (again i speak for myself only) is that this feels like a huge XP11 upgrade and not a brand new title in the series.
Kinda like what Euro Truck Simulator did - they did a huge upgrade to the game engine, graphics, lighting etc. This is what XP12 feels like to me. It just looks the same as 11. For sure there are improvements but Im looking at it as a whole and it just feels so same-y. I have XP11 modded and looking great. I also hardly use it so will pass on XP12. Great video thanks!
so you're saying it's what ow2 is to ow1?
To me x-plane 12 upgrade haven't suprised me, the hazy sky is still bothers me like the older versions, the frame rates are dropped more, syneries are not much changed, but there are more aircraft added, which it isn't cheered me up because I have a homemade simulator wich is cessna 172 , which I stocked with, there are not instruments popups added, outdoor view options are still as it was before, front view still doesn't show the "hood, and prop only", and side views don't show "wings only" , I'm just thinking if upgrading to x-plane 12 has worth for me. I wish they could at last followed the interest of x-plane users. Hopefully x-plane 12 will add more updates in future to satisfy x-plane lovers than I will buy more x-plane products.😉👍
this looks like xp11 with reshade and well optimized xenviro..... maybe real pilots will jump on this for the better physics and what not, but the rest of us peasants who never will fly a real jet, are just fine with the STUNNING visuals of MSFS
This could and SHOULD have been just a free update to version xp11.6...... 60 bux is a scam
Real pilot here... and I couldn't agree more 😂
Lol a cartoon compared to ms2020
I've owned every flight sim for the last 35 years and am always excited for the release of any of them. I prefer not to get involved in the this or that between them all but since MSFS release I've been pretty exclusively using MSFS & DCS while XP11 took a back seat (really back seat I guess, haven't played it in over a year). "XP12 is like an old friend" is very telling in describing a product that has just been released. I think what the Laminar Research team has done with XP over the years is incredible (for such a small team) but I think it will be difficult for them going forward to compete with the likes of Microsoft and the resources available to them.
people seem to prefer xplane physics or other games compare to microsoft flight sim, even if its a smaller company they might get more and more people coming from microsoft flight sim
@@votpavel That was a long time ago. Its just not the case anymore IMO.
@@trevoC132 I prefer X-plane 12 over MSFS
@@supernova4760 Which planes do you fly in XP12? I was quite excited about XP12 to start with but I'm really disappointed with the add-ons like FF, Magknight, SGS etc. they don't seem to care about fixing their bugs once they've got the money. In my opinion there are only Toliss and Laminar airliners that are flyable. I have flown the A350 a bit but it's just hit and miss whether it follows the flight plan. It's a shame because the simulator itself is very good. It takes the fun out of it when things don't work.
Tnx Russ ..what about AP & Runways curvature, and I'm wondering how long it will take for our oddons, plugin, & Hardware to be migrated to the new XP12 ????
Yikes... MS has NOTHING to worry about. I made the switch 14 months ago and this "update" makes me happy to know I am not missing anything.... sorry XPlane... ya missed your chance!
Hey, Russ! Thanks for the video. At about 11:20, you make the comment, "For pilot training and certified simulation, XPLANE has a real leg up (over MSFS)." Are you still referring to the weather features? or something else? Are you comparing it to the latest version of MS Flight Simulator? I'm a student pilot and almost daily I here an experienced pilot say, "If you want pretty graphics, choose MSFS, but if you want realism, choose XPlane." (I would argue that realistic graphics is part of realism). Having more than 200 hours in MSFS in parallel with my real training and a few hours in XPlane, I'm not sure what they mean. However, I just invested heavily in an XPlane 12 simulator for my flying club, and I really want to be an XPlane fan like the other guys. Please help me out and tell me specifically why it's superior for flight training. Thanks again - I really appreciate your time.
wondering the same thing. I am not a real world pilot but I wonder if X-plane early in their development got a partnership with the FAA/certified flying schools and those have remained today. despite some glaring unrealistic aspects? MSFS if far superior in how realistic it sounds and looks for VFR. In addition X-plane has all kinds of flickering issues including night lighting, and oddly placed autogen and unrealistic lighting placement which I wouldn't see as helpful for learning to fly IRL.
Thanks for mentioning about X-Plane 11 being hard to keep the plane on the centerline. I thought it was me.
Perhaps that models real life more realistically? Small ariplanes can be quite hard to control. I bought the full copy and was very impressed by the handling of the J3. I also bought the M7 Maule and that handles very well too. In a real taildragger you get the tail up and then stay on the main wheels using the rudder for directional control until flying speed is reached. This is pretty good in XP12, so far. The challenge will be to see how the Stinson performs, it is terrible in XP11.
It is you and the equipment used, planes don't drive straight down runway, physics pulls it in one direction or other. XP models that properly, MSFS does not if the plane maker doesn't force it into the lookups. So if you aren't used to that and with the lack of force feed back on cheaper gear, you will have a hard time.
@@hiddenmonkeyofdoom I haven't flown in a while, but I don't remember it being so difficult to stay on centerline with any plane that I flew. Thanks.
very poor.
Microsoft needs to purchase the night lighting effects engine from Laminar and call it a day. There’s no room for more than one consumer based flight sim.
Thank you Russ for a considered review. I get a bit annoyed with some comments on various fora bagging either X-Plane or MSFS. I would like to hope that most simmers can enjoy both. Let's face it, if you have a computer that will run one of them it will probably run the other, and the cost of the product, at least in base form, should not be prohibitive for most simmers. I can drink Coke OR Pepsi (in moderation of course!)
Does xplane have hot air balloons?
Graphically, it looks like shit
I wish they could integrate study level air craft. Even a basic Garmin 530 In both Xplane11 or MSFS was similar but unrealistic.
The realityXP G530 addon uses the Garmin Trainer and is the very best for fidelity to the actual hardware.
we would all love that but there's a reason why study level aircraft cost the same or more than this whole sim...
MSFS. never runs on my PC either didnt install, now just crashes on startup. So uninstalled it yet again…They never figured it out while Xplane just installed as any other normal programme. I like the look of the new lighting in XPlane 12!!! So I will go and check out their web site. Thanks Laurie NZ
I used to be BIG into X-Plane 11, but when MSFS 2020 came out, that completely changed my perspective in flight simulators. X-Plane 12 is cool, and definetly a big upgrade from X-Plane 11, but for me it still doesn't even come close to being compared to MSFS 2020
You prefer a game over a simulation, not surprising ... everyone has different tastes.
@@supernova4760and there’s nothing wrong with that.
My biggest problem with MSFS2020 is that, in VR, the cockpit has a lot of stutter as I look around (I'm running a pretty beefy system with an 10th gen i7, 32 GB of RAM, and an RTX 3090). Not only is this immersion breaking, but it's extremely distracting. I'm hoping that X-Plane 12 will offer a better experience, especially since it is regarded as the better platform to use to augment flight training.
Hi Russ. I am a newbie newbie and only just getting my feet wet with flight simulators. I have a question for you: do you a joystick or mouse to control your aircraft? In this video you mentioned using the mouse which made me curious to ask. I would think that using a joystick might give one more control, but I'm not sure about that. When you have a moment, could you let me know.
If anyone else can enlighten me on whether a mouse or joystick is best, I'd appreciate it very much.
A little off script here Russ. But with todays computers being released with AMDs Rizen 7000 series CPUs and Intels 13 Gen CPUs and Nvidias 4000 GPU series, do you think you would be able to get by with one computer system or would you still need two to run your physical cockpit using XP-12 or MSFS. I've viewed your prior videos testing whether one computer would do and was curious if computer technology has reached a point that would allow a one computer hookup to a physical cockpit with multi monitors like yours to operate smoothly with no hiccups or bottlenecks? Or anyone else with an opinion, please chime in. Thanks for the enlightenment and education.
If you can live with less than maxed out graphics I think a single top of the line can handle it. It does greatly simplify life to maintain only one computer. I can run MSFS or XP11 with 3 visual screens plus Air manage and pop outs on two attritional monitors(using a Pluggable) and get pretty nice results.
It's odd... It clearly tells that you're having around 70FPS, but the whole thing looks choppy as if it was barely approaching 20. Is it some kind of YT issue? Was it fluid when you were actually playing?
so x-plane still dont have atc i thoughts the devs would learned by now that you need atc for ifr flying but it dont so x-plane is still a arcade game
Sorry the atc was a major upgrade I didn’t mention because I use pilot edge. It is much improved but not compared to live atc control
Ai atc is really kinda silly. Why not use VATSIM for free or Pilotedge for $20 mo. AI ATC is lightyears away from RW. IMO it is a waste of money for small company like LR.
Laminar needs to improve the texture of the airplanes ...They are using the old xp11 platform. It would be good to have sharp and clean textures and more faithful to the real aircrafts ...
Cant play msfs 2020 especially since scenary is just empty and blank (due to my location even if I have high speed internet). Going to stick with xp12 to at least see some buildings.
Really poor picture of this world ... just fly with MSFS2020 from now on !!! Since Update 10 ... it`s clearly the new king of the Sims ... pray for LR and Mr. M. !!! ---
I love X-Plane 11 but am shocked at X-pane 12. It looks like Microsoft, and the scenery does look to be an improvement but I'm not seeing that improvement in resolution of the cockpit instruments.
X-Plane advise that the issue is my computer that exceeds by a good margin the minimum requirements.
What I'm seeing is better outside but not inside.
The video I'm seeing here on this video is exactly what I'm seeing on trial X-plane 12 trial.
Yes, the weather looks better but the X-plane 11 was already very good.
What I'm interested in is the quality and sound of ATC audio
Just a friendly reminder, this version of X-Plane is still in beta. Making comparisons at this point really isn't fruitful.
True. On first impressions videos I refrain from commenting on small issues but I think many are curious about the big picture. Major changes and new features. To not comment on how these compare to MSFS would be to ignore the elephant in the room. If you have read my responses to comments for this video you would note I have constantly reminded commenters that this is a first beta and a fair comparison is not possible.
Think of X-Plane 12 as a donation button. Instead of only spending $1,000s of money currencies on 3rd party addons, throw Laminar a $60 bone now and then, seeing as how the _entire_ ecosystem wouldn't even exist without them.
Cool beans Russ!…is it out for sale?
Did anybody ever tell you, you sound like the “Mooch”? A fighter pilot retired- is it a pro pilot thing🤣🦅…thanks again for ur incites. Gonna grab more knobster guts if that still out there.
If you're worried about scenery when you're taking off or landing I wouldn't want to fly with you I have both Sims on my computer when taking off in mfs2020 I could care less about scenery I'm paying attention to the runway same as xp12 there just sims.
When you took of in the citation, you were getting 50 fps. But then you looked left out the window and the scenery was going past very stuttery. Can you xplane what this is about? Also when you look around the cockpit. It's not smooth even for your 90fps in the cessna. It looked very blocky. I think I will stick with msfs. I haven't touched xplane in 3 years and nothing is convincing me to get it.
When I saw that Russ posted a video on X-Plane 12 I knew I wanted to watch it immediately. Thank you Russ.
Xp12 is simply an update of Xp11. That’s what it feels like. Definitely not worth additional money - not as a full price new game. Sorry but I’m not buying it. They need to bring in Google maps at the least, not to mention match or come close to the new standard.
Does mfs have a tu154.?
Buy them all? Why not
Buy .Mfs p3d xplane
Its 4me about the add ons
Not the sim! If concorde is a level d mod in xolane buy it
X-plane 12 fails to inform the user as to the state or Aircraft purchased for X-plane 11. Will they work? The x-plane 12 introduction is not designed for serious users and or those who have invested a pilot of money into a gaming computer, and video card etc.
I installed xp12 today and already not happy. Can't update the database with Navigraph yet so get an alert that navdata is out of date. Also on the C172 the obs knob on Nav 2 doesn't work. I don't find the graphic any better the xp 11 where I fly.