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KAOSSILATOR PRO & KP3 Comparison - In The Studio with Korg
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- Опубліковано 8 бер 2010
- Korg's new KAOSSILATOR PRO Dynamic Phrase Synthesizer/Loop Recorder may look like the KP3 KAOSS Pad Dynamic Effects Sampler, but they are very different... This video shows you what makes them unique.
This is EXACTLY video i was looking for, so great idea taking them side by side. Thanks!
Very good comparison. Big respect for the presenter. One of the best presentation I've seen.
@MathBaps You can record live audio (from the inputs) onto a pad, and as long as the REC button is lit, the selected bank will continue to record as it loops. It will overdub on top of what is already recorded, so you can build layered performances the same way you can with the internal sounds.
I was fortunate enough to buy the KaossPad K3 off my friend for $100 and a case of beer. He had it stashed in his garage because he lost the power adapter... One quick stop at RadioShack solved that problem! I soon realized how flawless this device worked with sampling. I've had it for about a year now, still one the best effects processors for sampling, especially if your using a independent sampling machine!
Good to see that hardware isn't dead and there are other things to use besides Ableton
@NiGhtprOwIeR Using the KP3, you'd be able to add effects to the guitar, and with the drum machine connected to the MIDI in port, the KP3 could sync to its tempo (and vice-versa using the MIDI out port).
We do recommend using a preamp with your guitar, and connecting to the line inputs instead.
@daeser1 You can't delete a single layer from the Loop Recorder Banks. To record drums by hand, we'd recommend first recording one of the rhythm patterns to another bank, and using it as a metronome for your manual drum recording.
@keybox8
The first sound is B075- Unison Bass.
The second one is C085- Filter Chord.
Yes, they are both built in.
I'm so glad I found this video as I've been debating for ages which one to get. Now I know what the differences are, I can decide which to get first.
@ObamaJoker Yes, it is. The KOPro doesn't have as many effects as the KP3, but this filter is one of the effects that they both share.
@MaylynnNg That depends. If you're mostly recording from an external source, the KP3 will offer more manipulation. If you want to use built-in sounds to record, you'll want the KAOSSILATOR PRO.
I can answer some questions.
1) the kaossilator has many presets
2) the kaossilator can do many interesting effects to the output but the KP3 is simply geared more towards that
3) no you do not need both. Think of the Kaossilator as a live synth for your performances that has looping capabilities and the KP3 as a looper with alot of dynamic modification possibilities.
byouno93 it’s funny how no one could understand that lol kaossilator is your (keyboard) kaoss pad is your effects pedal
Damn. I was going to get a KP3 but then I was curious about the K-Pro (thinking it was an update of the KP3 rather than an entirely different machine). Now that I know the differences I'll have to get both. Poor me :P
@wiglebienie In both the KOPro and the KP3, You can set the length of the banks individually. If you're referring to time-stretching, that's something you'll only find in the KP3.
@towsc33 You can trigger WAV or AIFF files, which can be loaded onto the Loop Recorder Bank buttons... but the KP3 has more options for sample triggering and manipulation.
"An unstoppable force to be reckoned with." I like this guy. I'm gotta buy both.
@mcrulez13 There is a selection of effects on the KOPro, but not nearly as many as on the KP3. Yes, you can use it with a DJ mixer, and since it has RCA inputs and outputs, connection should be very easy.
@cicciobarbara You'll need a computer between the two, but yes, it can be done by using software like MIDI-OX to translate the controller's note messages into the 3 MIDI CC messages needed to trigger the KOPro.
@djkenstone The switch on the back of the KAOSSILATOR PRO changes the slider's function between Gate Time and Speed control.
@AtomicProjects Plugging a MIDI controller directly into the KOPro will only work if the keys can send customizable CC messages instead of note data. The Axiom does not do this, so it's probable that they were using a computer program (such as MIDI-OX) to translate the MIDI notes from the keyboard to the required CC messages.
@subkontra6660 The KP3 does have some drum loops, but the ones that you hear in this video are exclusive to the KAOSSILATOR Pro.
@dhmacko91 Yes, you absolutely can. The KP3 is better for manipulating external audio, and the KOPro is better for looping it.
The Kaossilator has more features that involve beat creation, with 200 preset sounds. The Kaoss Pad K3 speaclizes in effects, with just around 120 effects (including drum/synth sounds) in all. Between these two machines, its not about which one is better... its what tour looking for. If your into sampling, get the Kaoss Pad K3, if your looking for beat production, go for the Kaossilator Pro. Either way, you can't go wrong, there both great products made by a great company!
Yes. It has a mic in / line in switch for recording either. In this demo he was just recording stuff from the KOP into the KP3 via line in.
@poeticjusticemusic It will work with them, in various capacities. Of course, from those choices, we would recommend the microKORG XL. :)
@KungfuMuythaiguy6 Both the KP3 and KOPro have RCA inputs and outputs, as well as 1/4" microphone inputs and headphone outputs. They also have MIDI in/out ports, and USB connections.
@deroevis You don't even need a computer. The only thing you'll need is a destination for the audio outputs... This could be an amplifier, powered speakers, headphones, a computer, or many other things.
@maciessracies- No, these are all functions that are possible on the KP3 but not the KAOSSILATOR PRO.
5 stars for straigh up info about these two wonderful products!!!
finaly someone who does great presentation.
keep them up!
cheers from slovenia
@sven209 unless u already have a sound generating device, get the kaossPro. Kp3 mainly manipulates your sounds. I was using the older kaossilator to feed sound to my kp3 until i got the pro.
Newbie question xD how do you link the KP3 and Korg + together and have the sound play from one speaker/amplifier? I have the in-and -out cords connecting them but don't know how to get the audio flowing right..
@poppyourhead Congratulations on your purchase! There are many differences between the ES-1 and the newer ESX-1- Valve Force tube circuitry, additional effects, sample tweaking, LCD display, memory card storage, and much more functionality.
...nuts....everytime i watch these videos my wishlist for korg items gets longer. They do help in pulling away some of the fog of these instruments. Nice videos, guys.
@Gstargeorge No, sorry, USB mics can't be used... the USB port is only for data transfer and MIDI.
I actually paid close attention and now I understand. Thanks Korg. Awesomeness. Just got my kp3 and kp.
Korg always on the ball with the tutorials, just wish the tech support was as responsive Lol
exactly.....i wish the Kaosillator Pro and the KP3 had a baby...i would buy that
That quick loop jam at 4:50 just sold me. nice bassline
Finally got both! So much to learn. 👍🎶👍
"Don't forget about the Gaydar Pedgey Eater"...interesting (8:57)
lmao, dont ever forget about that
...or, as it's known on the East Coast, "Boo caulk ee"
Lol gate arpeggiator
Lmfao
@David Harmon It's robust.
@medusasworldofstone if you already have sound production equipment with audio out, the kp3 may give you a bit more flexibility with the effects. If not the kaoscillator can be used as an instrument/looper on its own.
This video is super-informative! I could not really tell the difference between the KP3 and the KaossilatorPro before.
@pphsorrow You can't create your own sounds, but each internal sound has tons of flexibility and modulation built-in.
I know this is more of a sampler thing and I have the Pro, but the manual does say that I can load WAV files into it via SD card. In fact, the SD portion of the two manuals is virtually identical. My question is: how do I play the samples (my own songs in WAV form) in the Pro Plus once they are loaded? The manual doesn't say and I don't know which buttons to push to start the song.
So what you are saying is I want both of them. Thanks!!
@Intosia Yea, 400 is alot..I waited a year and got my KP3 for 350. But consider that you are getting a synth that you can plug a midi control into and turn it into a 69 key keyboard that could typically run over $1000 and then it doesnt seem so bad.
Thank you. The included manuals do not give this kind of info. I bought both and have been really confused.
Have you managed to figure it out yet?
Korg needs to combine these two devices into one with absolutely no shift stuff to dive into . Everything visibile. Peace Christo
I'd buy that too, as the sampler-orientated KP3 is almost lacking when it comes to the sound library. I think the Kaossilator Pro on the other hand could do with more sampling.
Both could do with a 8-track, 16 or 32 beat pattern recorder too. It would be killer to combine the both.
Bravo Bravo, I will definitely be adding one of these to my arsenal very soon.
@dottdedo I don't get what's your point... What is the matter with them having the same price? Should they price them differently, just so that they are... different?! Wouldn't that be daft? As for the design, they are both part of the same series so they SHOULD look similar!
By the way, brilliant demo! I think the summary at the end will really help you choose which one to get!
Pioneer rmx500 which one is better we love them both we can't decide
I agree with Ryan, I went for the Kaos Pro + only.
@Meredrica- the KAOSSILATOR PRO doesn't resample the way the KP3 does.
Buying both of them today. Great video and understand the product now.
Well thats just great.. now i cant decide which one should i buy ...
I wonder why Korg didn't create a third one in this series? it would have been cool it looks like they just gave up on this... I got both of them and they are really different instruments to record with plus they're a lot of fun
@TATTOOEDMETEOR
No, the KP3 can't do this without pressing buttons and resampling.
i went into a guitar center one time, and they were callin me tiesto over the loud speaker when i was mixing this with the korg board, it was sweet lol, dont have the money, but will try to get the blue one, i learned it quite fast from messing with it and it was easy to get a sample loop goin and going between different drum loops fluently, i was sold, but dont got the money yet lol.
@deroevis Actually, you shouldnt expect it to work with a computer at all, since Korg doesnt bother to update any of their software - this includes in particular USB-drivers that make any sort of connection to the computer possible... All Mac OSX-users that have updated their OSX are currently without ANY USB-functionality on ANY piece of Korg gear, and several windows users have reported similar problems, although at this point this more circumstantial (soon to get worse no doubt)...
Kp3 and the rmx500 which is better
Great new instruments, love 'em, thanks!
I think it has a few bass sounds and maybe a drum pad/pattern but im not sure
Are they better than the rmx500 and the 1000
could you plug in a mic and loop your own voice/sounds?
Everything in its right place by Radiohead uses this to modulate Thom Yorke’s vocals, so probably
Great Demo!
How about making your next hardware a dual Kaoss Pad system with both a Kaossilator synth and a Kaoss Pad FX unit in the same bit of kit. With a sequencer too.
OR a re-release of the Kaoss Pad Quad with MIDI in/out - I loved my Quad but without MIDI apart from in DJ sets I couldn’t find a place for it in my setup so sold it instead of it collecting dust - now ?I miss it but not being able to integrate it into my music production setup I doubt I’ll get another. Who knows though - I love your gadgets - even more so with my iPad Pro’s 12.9” screen for your ever growing list of amazing synths. And Gadget.
thank you for this video..
I know thebig different now about KP3 and KAOSSILATOR PRO..
yeah I completely feel your pain.. except in my case I already own a KP2 which means now i gotta go out and get these two things. what a drag.
@thedarkspirit I bet thats coming actually. It will be amazingly expensive I would think but worth it. Also, I hope they keep the portability when they do it, I plan on doing live shows with these products and the compact size is a big draw.
It makes it easier for them produce..less manufacturing costs. As the same size you could get a case for both I guess.
@BeatboX4Life15 Make sure the input level is turned up enough so the kp3 is picking up the sound. Also what have you got it plugged into for playback. If your using the rca connections try plugging in headphones and seeing if you can hear the sound
@tylerfolio Both can be either depending on how creative the user is. But the kp3 would be more versatile for DJs in some ways because of the bpm counter and its manipulation of sounds. However, the KP3 could certainly be very useful in the production process because of the sampling and effects as well. I know that the bloody beetroots uses the regular kaossilator in their dj performances as well so its all up to your imagination. I'm not an expert or anything but sky is the limit for both items
I own a kp3, guess i wouldn't use the synth function much. No idea for investing on kaossilator pro right now
Excellent video. They will be mine, oh yes... they will be mine.
Korg.....one of the very few psychedelic hero`s !!! :)
So in conclusion. Which one to buy? Answer is both.
Is it possible to control an effect over a single sample, rather than the whole mix. Likewise, is it possible to control an effect over an input sound rather than the whole mix?
Also are there different selectable banks for programs/samples?
i saw a video where someone modified a song with the kp3. i was wondering if the kaossilator pro could do the same. the video should be on the thinkgeek user page here on youtube.
This would replace those old DJ's.... awesome.
@medusasworldofstone i'd say the kaossilator pro, its easier to use and have more synth sounds which is more fun to play with. If you want it for more microphone use then get the koass pad 3, just cause it sick.
When, when, when will you release a KP4?! This gear is on of the most versatile and useful I haver had. I almost used it in every situation on stage...but it's clearly out of date. You relesead e new electribe, so why not releasing a new Kaoss Pad!?
Is it possible to have the input sound completely cut and yet get just the effect? I know it says the 'Mute' button will do that but it seems only momentary, like one is hearing just a smidgen of the effect tail.
Can you connect a guitar to the kp3? like recording a riff and then manipulate it in the kp3?
Oh yeah! What In/Out puts do these tools accept?
I need this setup!
So if we want to be complete we spend more then 700 bucks for this double bling bling. It could technically be built in one unit
Hi!
Can I plug a MIDI Keyboard to Kaossilator pro to play the notes?
How much sampling time or memory does it have?
Thanks!!
Depends what you wanna use it for though...
and also i still have no idea which one to get, in more simpler terms (because im only a beginner with synth pads) the kaossilator pro is good for making stuff up whereas the kp3 is better for editing beats and melodys etc?
I am really confused about kaoss pad 3 synth mode. How do I know the scale and key of it? Can I adjust these parameters in the same way as it is done with kaossilator pro?
hey, is it possible to not only link the KP3 with the K-PRO, but to also after they are linked use the K-pro as a midi controller for a desktop synth module or a rack synth module such as the ROLAND JP 8080? if so, is there a way (perhaps a mixer) to not only use the K-PRO as just for a midi controller, but also to use the effects and sample banks of the KP3 along with the sounds from the rack synth mod engine to sound the 3 units together without a midi keyboard?
Brilliant demo thank you!
Seems to me that we can summarize these tools in terms of existing technology with an analogy:
KAOSSilator Pro is to Electribe EMX-1 as KAOSS Pad 3 is to Electribe ESX-1.
More or less.
this man has beautiful hands!
so the kp3 is equal to the esx electribe a sampler/effects
and the k pro is more like the emx, a synth/efects. Right?
I have the same set as in teh Kaoss pro and KP3 Example video, and I was wondering I have done many changes to MIDI, and how do you go back to all DEFAULT settings of MIDI on both machines?
OK thanks,
next question, is there a way to monitor what's on line-in or pass line-in thru to line-out
Can I hear line-in on the heapphones?
Thanks
@Brainbox97; cheers man =) .. im looking into getting one for live use, however I dont know what would be better to put some wacky sounds into the set. with the mini kaos pad does it have any 'sounds' like the Kaossilator PRO?
great, now i want both...