Wow way convenient, I think I'ma work on one of these, I love the idea of the output on the same spot as the input and then the pedal chain in its own cycle, yup
Don’t mix leaded solder with non lead. Besides rohs issues, you could also have a reliability issue, lead-free and tin-lead solder will not mix evenly during the reflow process. This will produce various alloys in different parts of the solder joint. Very likely there will be residual stress in the cooled joint, and stress is associated with tin whisker formation (and other issues) in the lead-free part of the joint. Stick with lead free if that is what your product is. FYI “OL” on a meter is “Open Loop” not “Overload”
Hi John! Thanks for the comment! As you've mentioned, mixing ROHS and leaded solder is not ideal. However, I would contend that most viewing this won't be using ROHS compliant solder, and it's pretty easy, even with a cheap solder sucker, to remove the existing solder from a few legs on a 1/4" jack and not have concern for longevity when re-attaching new wire leads with lead solder. I was using lead solder on a few hundred Boss VP for three years, all with ROHS compliant solder on the original assembly. Admittedly, I stopped the mods several years ago, but the ones I get back for repairs are all from pot failures (which we don't replace) or mechanical failures (which aren't altered by our mods) and nothing to do with connectivity. However, arching back, you're right, not an ideal practice if it can be avoided. Sorry on the "OL" thing, we addressed it somewhere below, I think I was just riffing and never caught it and our editors wouldn't have that level of technical knowledge to see it as out of place. Hope you're well! ~Mason
Vertex Effects good thanks, yes I have actually seen the issue happen and it is something a fellow builder clued me in to when no lead solder started to become mandatory. The slightest leftover can cause migration where you can get static crackling ghost things. Actually these days it is getting way more difficult to find lead solder and most offered is lead free. I know it isn’t fun to work with but mixing the two even if cleaning it off is asking for strange behavior.
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This mod in conjuntion with rehousing my noisegate with its own loop into the volumepedal would be so neat - but thats a little more advanced stuff. Especially when needing to route power in there as well, this will be my soldering-learning graduation project haha
All the people stating that they don't see the use for this mod are clearly NOT touring professionals who have to be able to get in or out within minutes and therefore require quick and easy connections. A part from that, this way they don't ruin the jacks on their pedals, which makes it more reliable.
I have watched this video twice. I still have no idea why this is being done. After modification, how does it work as the networking hub for the entire board, and why would you need it to?
It was originally done for Rhett Shull's rig: ua-cam.com/video/tKDRhMdjZQ8/v-deo.html . Many requested a tutorial on how to repeat the modification to double up the unused jacks on a volume pedal to 1) allow it to be a normal volume pedal as it always was, and 2) allow it to be a patch bay for the entire pedalboard so all connections are centralized in one place on the rig so you don't have cables coming out of the board every-which-way. The volume pedal still functions the same as it always did, we just re-routed the EXP and Tuner Out jacks to be "Pass-Throughs". Does that help?
Jimsy looks to me like you can volume blend in the effects in the effects loops. It could be one or whatever effect/effects in the loop. Like delays/modulations. Or whatever you put. I like this idea 🙌😁
Great stuff! May I suggest you spend a bit more time explaining the "what" and the "why" you are doing the mod and also get some better close-up shots of things like testing with the multimeter and any other specific placement detail. Maybe use a GoPro or other camera as an overhead. Good work.
so if you're using effects in front of amp and in a loop, could you use this to still control the whole thing? something like guitar>vol. pedal in>send>effects in front of amp>amp in>fx send>loop effects>vol. return>out>amp fx return
I’m not sure if this would even be possible but it would be super useful to mod it with a switch that turns the volume function on or off for expression pedal use. To my knowledge there is 2 pots, one 250k audio pot and a 10k linear pot for controlling the AUX/expression output. If only it had a function to turn that audio pot off then you could use the expression function without the volume level being changed! What are your thoughts on this? I guess one could just buy a whole separate expression pedal but not everyone, including me lol, has the board space for that.
Go for it! It’s possible - you’d probably have to mount the switch on the side like they do on some of the Dunlop wah pedals that have boost functions.
The way you described it leaves me a little confused... If the guitar goes into the input, out of the send to the pedals, back from the pedals into the return, and out to the amp from the output, doesn't that make the volume pot the first thing in your signal chain? I'm just trying to make sense of this. I suppose you could't run the volume pot anywhere other than the very beginning of the chain if you wanted to plug your guitar into it directly. I've always thought putting the volume pedal (by this, I mean the pot itself) first in the chain was redundant because there's already a volume pot in front of all the pedals... it's on the guitar. Am I understanding this right?
Jonny, this is for folks that use their volume pedal first in the chain - which still, even though I don't endorse this placement, is still used this way by about half of the guitar community, maybe more. Since it's a passive 250K pot, it's probably going to do better first anyway than say a 25K pot further down the line, say after drive pedals that follow an input buffer of some kind. You could still do this mod an place post volume pedal, you'd just need to enter the signal path on your first pedal, i.e. a tuner or something like that and as long as the back of the volume pedal was exposed this would still work, but again not as ideal as it is here.
Yo ! Mason Can you take the innards of a Vertex Boost and put them into a Dunlop Volume X pedal controlling the 'The Boost expression volume internally making them just one unit ?
I didn’t understand how this is working as an interface. Can you explain? I guess it is missing an input and an output to work as an interface. It would need to have a input->send->return->output. No?
Input = Guitar In, Send = To pedals on the pedalboard, Return = From pedal on the pedalboard, Out = To Amplifier. Basically we're removing the tuner out and EXP jacks and routing them as pass throughs so the volume pedal becomes a glorified patch bay in addition to a volume pedal.
Vertex Effects I sincerely appreciate all of your efforts and care when sharing info with us. I’m trying to understand the concept and make it sure i got it right. So, in reality, you’ll bring a cable back from the last pedal in your chain into the new return jack, which is series connected to the new send jack which will go to the amp input, right? No interference from the volume circuit on the volume pedal as i understand it or a sort of dummy box in the volume box. Also, shoot me a private message with your physical address so i can send you two little tools it might help you with cleaning right spots and tightening jack nuts where nut driver will fit. Again, Thank you!
So I have a Fender Mustang Floor pedalboard that uses a Fender EXp-1 as an expression pedal, I have a yamaha control pedal for keyboards and it works just fine as an expression pedal for a Digitech RP-5, but my Fender Floor just don't want that Yamaha....what can I do to make my Mustang Floor to believe the Yamaha is an EXP-1?
You have to compare / look up the values of the potentiometers of both pedals. Also some EXP Pedals work with TS plugs/jacks and some with TRS (T=tip R=ring S=shaft) and some of the TRS use all three connectors and some just tip and ring.
Maybe I missed something here, is Rhett using the left over two jacks as a simple patch bay? Since you disconnected two of them, the pot will not be controlling the two disconnected ones, correct? Or do I have that all wrong?
Hey Adam! We're disconnecting the EXP and Tuner out jack and re-routing them as a patch bay so that everything comes in/out of the volume pedal as an interface/hub for the entire board. The pot is only wired to the input/output jack sides, the EXP/Tuner Out jacks are re-wired as pass-throughs.
Vertex Effects That’s a cool space saving idea. I wish I lived closer to you so could get you to reword my board. I would also love to have the ability to do a wet/dry set up when I have the chance on occasion.
@Craig Carson - OIT Craig, yes, just turns the unused jacks into a patch bay for the pedalboard so all in/outs happen at the volume pedal side. Just a creative way to maximize space for this application.
Hey Mason, Great vid!! Do you think you could do this with the outside Jacks if just want to use the expression section of the pedal? i.e. Do what you did to the outside two jacks (cutting the other internal wires off) and making the input and output an interface, whilst utilising the expression section? Cheers!
Matias Borda The send is actually going to the Strymon Mobius and then goes into the boss ES-5 so he can utilize the pre-post option. The return comes from the Strymon BigSky.
Wonderingnif you can help me with something...is it possible to put a tone pot into an expression pedal so that the tone of what its effecting can be manipulated? Thanks!
What are you trying to do with it. Typically for digital pedals that you'd use an EXP with, you would adjust this parameter in the pedal. Equally with an analog pedal where the EXP might be adjusting speed or mix with, you would again want to adjust tone on the pedal. Not sure you'd get what you think you're getting from an EXP.
On the Boss FV-500 for example there are separate expression pots (10K) from the audio pots (250K or 25K respectively), however there's not way to A/B between the two or make one not effect the other. If it's just digital pedals via EXP you can look at the Mission Expressionator to have one EXP control three pedals.
Im using an EV5 which has no input and output jacks..just the cable out. Im usingnit to effect the rate of the oscillation in an EHX Blurst...the way the pedal is, inorder to achieve a defined pulse, it needa to be set at a tone quite darker than my dry signal. I could probably kod the pedal but that seems like too much....I though maybe there was a way to attatch a tone pot to the existing volume pot inside the EV5....so that I can have the depth of sweep I want but am avle to brighten it up when I want to. I know a treble booster would work but I love to mod stuff too much lol...so my question is...am I able to simple solder a tone pot and resistor onto the existing volume pot with direct in and out jacks to connect to?
No mods to his volume pedal, he was connecting it via the boost so there won't be any need to move the volume pedal in that case since the impedance is all isolated.
Vertex Effects - Hi Mason - did you ever post the mod for dunlop vol pedal for post gain stages pre delay placement - I have an original DVP1 I like to get best out of in that position . Many thanks - keep well
I want to get a volume pedal, and change the value of the potentiometer. Is there one that is good for that kind of mod? I'm using the volume pedal as a controller for another effect, and the effect only needs about 50K (I haven't tested it) but my problem is that the effect is too sensitive so I need to be able to adjust it. I'm testing with a 250K Volume pot built into the box.
Harmono what’s the pedal it’s controlling? Sounds like it may be a taper issue and not an impedance issue. You could also try a low impedance volume pedals, these typically have 25K pots, where the high impedance volume pedals are 250K. You could also break into the EXP jack on most volume pedals with an insert cable and those are usually 10K if you wanted to test that. Again this is depending on which bless you’re pairing it with. Let us know!
I have a question.... Ok so I am building a board... I have the following pedals. Whammy Dumkudo Overdrive Maxon OD 808 Precision drive Fulltone Supatrem Corona chorus Keeley phaser Strymon timeline and big sky Pog 2 coopersonic germaniac I will most likely remove the maxon, trem, phaser.... I read the voodoo labs mondo is good for my needs but I do not know enough regarding this to feel comfortable making the choice. I currently run through a fruman powered pedal board but it is rather noisy. What am I missing and what should I add? Also I may be adding a gigrig g2 (if there is a better pedal switcher I am open)
Neil, you may consider looking at a switching power supply instead of a linear one like the Voodoo Lab. Not that it's bad, but you can get more power and lighter weight with most switching supplies, and often quieter operation. I really like the Truetone CS12 if you're on a budget or the Strymon Zuma. Either of these would work for you, and you can always parallel the distortion/drive pedals without any issue if you need to make room for more power outputs from the supply. As for switchers, my favorite for the money is the Boss ES-8. It's pretty bullet proof, available anywhere, and has a much more sophisticated MIDI interface and software for editing and programming. Other considerations would be for the MusicomLabs switcher or the RJM. Let us know if we can assist further!
I heard for pedals like the strymon sand whammy I may need higher power 400ma and so forth, the Zuma does all that? Also you mentioned buffers before and after in a video once... would I need that? Do you like the boss es8 over the g2? If so why?
Also would you consider doing a video on paralleling OD/distortion pedals for those of us like myself who want to do it? Also I realized blonde moment in my previous response... it’s obvious the strymon pedals would work with the strymon power... question is because it is 9v 500ma would it be safe and recommended to run those 12v pedals off of that? Is there restrictions to the Zuma? I just don’t know enough to know what info to search for online. Is there an email I can maybe reach you at to discus further?
Neil Finch The Strymon stuff really only draws about 250-300mA for the larger pedals. I haven’t committed to memory the exact number, but I remember when I measured them, they didn’t exceed 300mA. This means that most modern power supplies will have no issue power in these, however because you have the Whammy, the Truetone is maybe the best fit because it has a dedicated 9VAC output, and that’s what you’ll need for the Whammy pedal.
According to Digitechs website manual it takes 9v DC. Zuma is DC so would I need the dedicated AC for sure that the CS12 offers? Just reading the sites and it has me confused.
how did you get all of this electrical background w things like soldering and creating interfaces?? I’d like to try and start learning how to do these things on my own! where would i start?
Seth Chu doesn’t take much, especially if you’re making them passive. If you’re using buffers maybe look at the Creation Audio ones, they’re pre assembled PCBs and have the wires ready to solder into your input and output jacks and DC.
Can you please show how to convert a volume pedal to a volume / expression pedal ?? i have a boss FV 50H ( which is stereo ) ...and i rly wanna use it as an expression pedal for my pitch shifter, and as a volume pedal ... ANY video on this would be really really helpful. Thanks in advance !!
@@VertexEffectsInc I have looked for them...but they are just TOOO costly where I live. Can you please show us how to make one ? Maybe as a side project or something
An interesting mod! This video brings up an interesting subject also, ROHS compliant electronics. Since it's getting harder to find lead solder these days, and what I can find has a much lower lead content. Do you have a video with soldering tips for ROHS compliant electronics, i.e. temperature, flux, solder types? Or would you consider making a video for soldering with this type of electronics? Thank you for posting!
Hi Mason! I have a Boss fv500l volume pedal. I've done the "vertex mod". And worked fantastic. But the pot is broken... can you tell me the specifications of a replacement pot?
Hey Doc! I was wondering if my volume pedal can also be used as an attenuator in the effects loop? I read some people online say yes, other say no but I don''t understand their reasoning. Thank you!
It can be used as a master volume in your effects loop however be sure to match your impedance of the effects loop with the volume pedal. You may need a low impedance volume pedal to work properly in your loop.
Hi, I'm building a pedal board using a pedaltrain Pro classic. I am using a a Strymon Zuma to power most of my pedals except for two as they both need more mah than the Zuma can supply. The two pedals in question are a Boss se-70 which uses a AC 12 volt psu 1.5A and a Hall and Collins signature echo which uses AC 12 volt 1A. If I plug both psu's into the same plug board will it cause a problem like hum? I live in the UK. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Vince Ball
Vince Ball you’ll need to use either a Pedal Power AC where you wire multiple outputs in series to get the current you need and you can run the Zuma out of the courtesy outlet of the Pedal Power so you only need one IEC plug into the wall. Otherwise you’ll need individual wall warts for each that meet your power specs, but it’ll be messier and if you try to incorporate on the board will likely be larger with a power strip and wall warts than the Pedal Power AC. I think the Cioks also makes an alternative AC power unit to the Voodoo Lab as well.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you so much for your quick response and information. I have a Voodoo power plus spare, can I use that or get the Voodoo power AC?
This is a pretty amazing video! Quick question: I built my wife an LP with a set of humbucker and a Ghost Piezo in it (she loves playing the acoustic). It comes out of the guitar as a stereo jack and was hoping (because this pedal is in stereo) to be able to mod my Dunlop so that the pedal would split the stereo signal inside the volume pedal and give me (for example) the humbucker/tip out the output jack and the ring/acoustic signal out the tuner jack. Is there a wiring schematic I can find online? Maybe a video? Maybe talk me through it? lol
Hey there Doc! Not 100% related to this video but couldn’t find any video on this subject. Is it possible to damage equipment with a home made expression pedal? I know just enough about electronics to be dangerous. I think I know what I’m doing because I’ve been lucky with all my experiments to date! 😂 Anyway I opened up my line 6 ex-1 and found only a 10k linear pot. With that knowledge I dismantled an old volume pedal and wired in a 10k audio pot (through trial and error I found 10k audio worked best when compared to the stock ex-1) It seems to work fine...thoughts?
He’s using the input Buffer on the Boss ES5, and the output Buffer from his Strymon reverb. It could be better, but it still sounded very good, and a lot of times the input buffers not use because of the fuzz devices.
@@VertexEffectsInc I really appreciate the links you posted for the equipment you used. However, I noticed the octopus arms come with a different baseplate than what you were using. Do you have a link for the baseplate you're using? Thanks!
Would a volume pedal work for my beat buddy pedal to control the volume just for it? So I don't have to bend down in a live performance to control the knob on the beat buddy.....kinda difficult while playing to adjust the volume
My volume pedal works fine if i plug guitar into volume pedal then from volume pedal to amp. But when i put it on my board after my drive pedals and before my delay and reverb when i use the volume pedal the volume drops off immediately within the first 10% of the travel of the foot treadle. Why is the sound droping off so fast when it's on the board buy works fine off the board. I'm guessing a impedance issue but i cant figure how to solve it please please please help???
@@VertexEffectsInc my signal chain goes, ratsbaine, jhs angry charlie v2, ibanaez ts808, vertex effects steel string mkii, exotic super sweet boost in true bypass mode, then i insert the volume pedal- then into,boss dd8 and then a oceans 12 reverb.
@@VertexEffectsInci already tried switching the boost pedal into buffered mode that didn't help. and i tried changing the pot inside the pedal to a 25k that didnt help either if anything i gained another problem with the 25k pot all the high end was gone
Since u took the time to do that, why not put an i/o buffer on the loop u just created? I am just learning this but would a 1meg ohm resistor on the input & a 100ohm resistor on the output work?
@@VertexEffectsInc what would the power jack be for exactly? Do I need to add power jack to power the buffer itself? So like the buffer would be it's own circuit powered by some low voltage supply? Then it accepts the line level from the guitar? I'm sorry I know this is way too many questions. I just want to learn to understand this...
@@VertexEffectsInc so if a circuit is active then it has a power supply? And if it's a passive circuit then it's only "passing thru itself an outside signal?"
@@MAP448 if you want a buffer, it needs to be active, you can build in a treble bleed circuit into a VP passively but will only resolve part of the problem and won't address pickup loading or impedance issues related to the passive pickups driving capacitive loads from a guitar cable.
Curtis McLeod so the volume pedal acts as a regular volume pedal (no change to that function). However there are two unused jacks on the volume pedal for an expression and tuner out. We converted those two jacks and make them a send and return to route through the pedalboard to consolidate all the pedalboard connections in a singular location, so all input and output cables are in a “hub”. This is often done for large pedalboard with elaborate patchbays or interfaces, but we doubled up the volume pedal to take care of this need.
@@VertexEffectsInc This a a passive Volume pedal correct? Where would you recommend a buffer or buffered pedal in a high with this? I might be missing something.
Jason Phillips This is totally passive, and the first thing with the guitar hits before it goes into the switching system that Rhett Shull used. There is no buffer before the volume pedal, but there’s a buffer after it and then for the interface side it’s receiving a buffered output from the Strymon Big Sky. Ideally, you would want to use a input and output buffer that was dedicated for those particular purposes, and in the best case scenario before the volume pedal.
Hi, I bought this pedal a few weeks ago and I noticed some high loss and a volume drop even when the pedal is fully engaged (toe down position). Would you recommand to put a buffer before the volume pedal? Or is there any way to incorporate one inside the beast? Always a pleasure to watch your videos.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks for the info and fast reply. I just found about this channel a couple of days ago and now I can't stop watching and learning. You are the best!
@@VertexEffectsInc I can't seem to find the corrections you're pointing me towards, but I appreciate the reply on a 2 year old video. Just found this channel, I'm really enjoying it!
Hey Mason, Sorry I'm a little confused about what this mod does. Does it make it so the one volume pedal can control volume AND also be used as an expression pedal? If so, if you went heel down with it to control an expression parameter, wouldn't it just mute the volume of the guitar as well? Also, thanks for posting this tutorial! If I can wrap my brain around how to use it I may do it to mine!
Hello! No, the expression control wiring is removed from the pedal. Also the tuner out. This gives 2 free jack connections. So the outside jacks work like normal - guitar in through volume pedal and out to the rest of the pedalboard. Then after the final pedal you connect back to the volume pedal but this time it goes straight through to the other jack that was removed from the circuit board and you can connect your cable to amp into that one. The reason for doing so is that you have a single place to plug your cables and if you used for example a pedalboard switcher then you wouldn't need to plug directly in a switcher output but to a more convenient place such as the volume pedal.
Thanks for watching! I think this was corrected in the description and commentary at some point when the video first released. Sometimes our editor (when I don’t edit myself) can’t correct technical errors in content - it actually means “open loop”. I didn’t catch it until someone else pointed it out. I think we were talking about volume pedals and effects loops and overloading instrument level delays and left that part our but I was still thinking about overloaded inputs apparently.
Cable maintenance, and efficiency is the primary reason, keeping a hub for all of your inputs and outputs so that you don’t have cords running from all sides of the Pedalboard. This is a pretty common practice amongst technicians and Pedalboard builders alike to cut down on messes of cables on stage. It may make more sense to you if you see the application, see Rhett Shull’s video that I linked here in the description
Contact cleaner on these 1/4" jacks is a waste of money. They don't get carbonized, there are no open/close contacts. And the sliding action of the plug when you push it in cleans the jack for you. Please Note: There are 1/4" jacks that DO have an open/close contact - the plug pushes it open or closed when it is inserted. These 'can' benefit from contact cleaner, but only if they're vEry old or used in very dirty areas.
Chris, not sure if you're open to having your mind changed, but this information you've stated is not accurate. I'm happy to explain if you're open to it.
Wow way convenient, I think I'ma work on one of these, I love the idea of the output on the same spot as the input and then the pedal chain in its own cycle, yup
Good luck! Let us know if you have questions!
Don’t mix leaded solder with non lead. Besides rohs issues, you could also have a reliability issue, lead-free and tin-lead solder will not mix evenly during the reflow process. This will produce various alloys in different parts of the solder joint. Very likely there will be residual stress in the cooled joint, and stress is associated with tin whisker formation (and other issues) in the lead-free part of the joint. Stick with lead free if that is what your product is. FYI “OL” on a meter is “Open Loop” not “Overload”
Wow.
Hi John! Thanks for the comment! As you've mentioned, mixing ROHS and leaded solder is not ideal. However, I would contend that most viewing this won't be using ROHS compliant solder, and it's pretty easy, even with a cheap solder sucker, to remove the existing solder from a few legs on a 1/4" jack and not have concern for longevity when re-attaching new wire leads with lead solder. I was using lead solder on a few hundred Boss VP for three years, all with ROHS compliant solder on the original assembly. Admittedly, I stopped the mods several years ago, but the ones I get back for repairs are all from pot failures (which we don't replace) or mechanical failures (which aren't altered by our mods) and nothing to do with connectivity. However, arching back, you're right, not an ideal practice if it can be avoided. Sorry on the "OL" thing, we addressed it somewhere below, I think I was just riffing and never caught it and our editors wouldn't have that level of technical knowledge to see it as out of place. Hope you're well! ~Mason
Vertex Effects good thanks, yes I have actually seen the issue happen and it is something a fellow builder clued me in to when no lead solder started to become mandatory. The slightest leftover can cause migration where you can get static crackling ghost things. Actually these days it is getting way more difficult to find lead solder and most offered is lead free. I know it isn’t fun to work with but mixing the two even if cleaning it off is asking for strange behavior.
Great video guys!!! I love your stuff!!! Cheers from Venezuela.
Brickatmyhead thanks for watching! Let us know if you have any questions! Or have some rig troubles for the Doctor to solve! We’re featuring solutions for subscribers rigs and troubleshooting as well!
This mod in conjuntion with rehousing my noisegate with its own loop into the volumepedal would be so neat - but thats a little more advanced stuff. Especially when needing to route power in there as well, this will be my soldering-learning graduation project haha
Dead simple and I love it!
Glad you dig it!
All the people stating that they don't see the use for this mod are clearly NOT touring professionals who have to be able to get in or out within minutes and therefore require quick and easy connections. A part from that, this way they don't ruin the jacks on their pedals, which makes it more reliable.
I have watched this video twice. I still have no idea why this is being done. After modification, how does it work as the networking hub for the entire board, and why would you need it to?
It was originally done for Rhett Shull's rig: ua-cam.com/video/tKDRhMdjZQ8/v-deo.html . Many requested a tutorial on how to repeat the modification to double up the unused jacks on a volume pedal to 1) allow it to be a normal volume pedal as it always was, and 2) allow it to be a patch bay for the entire pedalboard so all connections are centralized in one place on the rig so you don't have cables coming out of the board every-which-way. The volume pedal still functions the same as it always did, we just re-routed the EXP and Tuner Out jacks to be "Pass-Throughs". Does that help?
Jimsy looks to me like you can volume blend in the effects in the effects loops. It could be one or whatever effect/effects in the loop. Like delays/modulations. Or whatever you put. I like this idea 🙌😁
Great stuff! May I suggest you spend a bit more time explaining the "what" and the "why" you are doing the mod and also get some better close-up shots of things like testing with the multimeter and any other specific placement detail. Maybe use a GoPro or other camera as an overhead. Good work.
Thanks for the comment and great suggestion mspguitars!
Do you know if the BBE BenWah can be modded in a similar way? Cheers!
so if you're using effects in front of amp and in a loop, could you use this to still control the whole thing? something like guitar>vol. pedal in>send>effects in front of amp>amp in>fx send>loop effects>vol. return>out>amp fx return
cool vid -- great lesson!
Thanks for watching! Let us know if you have any rig questions we can address in future episodes!
I’m not sure if this would even be possible but it would be super useful to mod it with a switch that turns the volume function on or off for expression pedal use. To my knowledge there is 2 pots, one 250k audio pot and a 10k linear pot for controlling the AUX/expression output. If only it had a function to turn that audio pot off then you could use the expression function without the volume level being changed! What are your thoughts on this? I guess one could just buy a whole separate expression pedal but not everyone, including me lol, has the board space for that.
Go for it! It’s possible - you’d probably have to mount the switch on the side like they do on some of the Dunlop wah pedals that have boost functions.
The way you described it leaves me a little confused... If the guitar goes into the input, out of the send to the pedals, back from the pedals into the return, and out to the amp from the output, doesn't that make the volume pot the first thing in your signal chain? I'm just trying to make sense of this. I suppose you could't run the volume pot anywhere other than the very beginning of the chain if you wanted to plug your guitar into it directly. I've always thought putting the volume pedal (by this, I mean the pot itself) first in the chain was redundant because there's already a volume pot in front of all the pedals... it's on the guitar. Am I understanding this right?
Jonny, this is for folks that use their volume pedal first in the chain - which still, even though I don't endorse this placement, is still used this way by about half of the guitar community, maybe more. Since it's a passive 250K pot, it's probably going to do better first anyway than say a 25K pot further down the line, say after drive pedals that follow an input buffer of some kind. You could still do this mod an place post volume pedal, you'd just need to enter the signal path on your first pedal, i.e. a tuner or something like that and as long as the back of the volume pedal was exposed this would still work, but again not as ideal as it is here.
Yo ! Mason Can you take the innards of a Vertex Boost and put them into a Dunlop Volume X pedal controlling the 'The Boost expression volume internally making them just one unit ?
You could, but I don't offer that.
I didn’t understand how this is working as an interface. Can you explain? I guess it is missing an input and an output to work as an interface. It would need to have a input->send->return->output. No?
Input = Guitar In, Send = To pedals on the pedalboard, Return = From pedal on the pedalboard, Out = To Amplifier. Basically we're removing the tuner out and EXP jacks and routing them as pass throughs so the volume pedal becomes a glorified patch bay in addition to a volume pedal.
Vertex Effects I sincerely appreciate all of your efforts and care when sharing info with us. I’m trying to understand the concept and make it sure i got it right. So, in reality, you’ll bring a cable back from the last pedal in your chain into the new return jack, which is series connected to the new send jack which will go to the amp input, right? No interference from the volume circuit on the volume pedal as i understand it or a sort of dummy box in the volume box. Also, shoot me a private message with your physical address so i can send you two little tools it might help you with cleaning right spots and tightening jack nuts where nut driver will fit.
Again, Thank you!
So I have a Fender Mustang Floor pedalboard that uses a Fender EXp-1 as an expression pedal, I have a yamaha control pedal for keyboards and it works just fine as an expression pedal for a Digitech RP-5, but my Fender Floor just don't want that Yamaha....what can I do to make my Mustang Floor to believe the Yamaha is an EXP-1?
Alex araya probably the polarity is different for the pot
@@VertexEffectsInc wouldn't that mean that the pedal works but heel does what toe and vise versa.
You have to compare / look up the values of the potentiometers of both pedals. Also some EXP Pedals work with TS plugs/jacks and some with TRS (T=tip R=ring S=shaft) and some of the TRS use all three connectors and some just tip and ring.
Maybe I missed something here, is Rhett using the left over two jacks as a simple patch bay? Since you disconnected two of them, the pot will not be controlling the two disconnected ones, correct? Or do I have that all wrong?
Hey Adam! We're disconnecting the EXP and Tuner out jack and re-routing them as a patch bay so that everything comes in/out of the volume pedal as an interface/hub for the entire board. The pot is only wired to the input/output jack sides, the EXP/Tuner Out jacks are re-wired as pass-throughs.
Vertex Effects That’s a cool space saving idea. I wish I lived closer to you so could get you to reword my board. I would also love to have the ability to do a wet/dry set up when I have the chance on occasion.
@Craig Carson - OIT Craig, yes, just turns the unused jacks into a patch bay for the pedalboard so all in/outs happen at the volume pedal side. Just a creative way to maximize space for this application.
Can you do this with the Dunlop Dvp4?
Similar, there might be a few small differences in the PCB.
Hey Mason, Great vid!! Do you think you could do this with the outside Jacks if just want to use the expression section of the pedal? i.e. Do what you did to the outside two jacks (cutting the other internal wires off) and making the input and output an interface, whilst utilising the expression section? Cheers!
Sure, you’d just need to cut different wires from the pot and re route them as pass throughs
@@VertexEffectsInc legend! Thanks for the reply mate! Keep doing what your doin! Lovin the content!
So in Rhett's pedalboard the Volumen pedal Send is going into the ES-5 input and from the ES-5 output going into the Volumen pedal's Return?
Matias Borda The send is actually going to the Strymon Mobius and then goes into the boss ES-5 so he can utilize the pre-post option. The return comes from the Strymon BigSky.
Wonderingnif you can help me with something...is it possible to put a tone pot into an expression pedal so that the tone of what its effecting can be manipulated? Thanks!
Its a Roland EV5 which doubles as.a volume pedal with a pot inside but has no in or out....
What are you trying to do with it. Typically for digital pedals that you'd use an EXP with, you would adjust this parameter in the pedal. Equally with an analog pedal where the EXP might be adjusting speed or mix with, you would again want to adjust tone on the pedal. Not sure you'd get what you think you're getting from an EXP.
On the Boss FV-500 for example there are separate expression pots (10K) from the audio pots (250K or 25K respectively), however there's not way to A/B between the two or make one not effect the other. If it's just digital pedals via EXP you can look at the Mission Expressionator to have one EXP control three pedals.
Im using an EV5 which has no input and output jacks..just the cable out. Im usingnit to effect the rate of the oscillation in an EHX Blurst...the way the pedal is, inorder to achieve a defined pulse, it needa to be set at a tone quite darker than my dry signal. I could probably kod the pedal but that seems like too much....I though maybe there was a way to attatch a tone pot to the existing volume pot inside the EV5....so that I can have the depth of sweep I want but am avle to brighten it up when I want to. I know a treble booster would work but I love to mod stuff too much lol...so my question is...am I able to simple solder a tone pot and resistor onto the existing volume pot with direct in and out jacks to connect to?
@@nicwood2440 This needs to be done in the pedal, not the EXP.
What mods did you do to Tom Bukovacs volume pedal?Was it a stereo setup?What do you think of the Lehle stereo volume pedal?Thanks for you time.
No mods to his volume pedal, he was connecting it via the boost so there won't be any need to move the volume pedal in that case since the impedance is all isolated.
oh! I understood, but I use my volume pedal after the gain pedals, I think it would not be very effective that way, although I really like the mod
This won’t work for that - however I have another mod I’ll put out for the post gain volume folks soon!
Vertex Effects - Hi Mason - did you ever post the mod for dunlop vol pedal for post gain stages pre delay placement - I have an original DVP1 I like to get best out of in that position . Many thanks - keep well
I want to get a volume pedal, and change the value of the potentiometer. Is there one that is good for that kind of mod? I'm using the volume pedal as a controller for another effect, and the effect only needs about 50K (I haven't tested it) but my problem is that the effect is too sensitive so I need to be able to adjust it. I'm testing with a 250K Volume pot built into the box.
Harmono what’s the pedal it’s controlling? Sounds like it may be a taper issue and not an impedance issue. You could also try a low impedance volume pedals, these typically have 25K pots, where the high impedance volume pedals are 250K. You could also break into the EXP jack on most volume pedals with an insert cable and those are usually 10K if you wanted to test that. Again this is depending on which bless you’re pairing it with. Let us know!
Do you know if the Boss FV-30L can be easily modified in a similar way?
it can be, you'd just have to draw out the traces so you knew how to redirect the unused jacks. It'd be easier on the Stereo version than the mono.
Cool stuff but I´d have to use a volume pedal first, which I tried but realized I don't really use it.
It would be less effective unless it’s first as it was on Rhett Shull’s Rig
I have a question.... Ok so I am building a board... I have the following pedals. Whammy Dumkudo Overdrive Maxon OD 808 Precision drive Fulltone Supatrem Corona chorus Keeley phaser Strymon timeline and big sky Pog 2 coopersonic germaniac I will most likely remove the maxon, trem, phaser.... I read the voodoo labs mondo is good for my needs but I do not know enough regarding this to feel comfortable making the choice. I currently run through a fruman powered pedal board but it is rather noisy. What am I missing and what should I add? Also I may be adding a gigrig g2 (if there is a better pedal switcher I am open)
Neil, you may consider looking at a switching power supply instead of a linear one like the Voodoo Lab. Not that it's bad, but you can get more power and lighter weight with most switching supplies, and often quieter operation. I really like the Truetone CS12 if you're on a budget or the Strymon Zuma. Either of these would work for you, and you can always parallel the distortion/drive pedals without any issue if you need to make room for more power outputs from the supply. As for switchers, my favorite for the money is the Boss ES-8. It's pretty bullet proof, available anywhere, and has a much more sophisticated MIDI interface and software for editing and programming. Other considerations would be for the MusicomLabs switcher or the RJM. Let us know if we can assist further!
I heard for pedals like the strymon sand whammy I may need higher power 400ma and so forth, the Zuma does all that? Also you mentioned buffers before and after in a video once... would I need that? Do you like the boss es8 over the g2? If so why?
Also would you consider doing a video on paralleling OD/distortion pedals for those of us like myself who want to do it? Also I realized blonde moment in my previous response... it’s obvious the strymon pedals would work with the strymon power... question is because it is 9v 500ma would it be safe and recommended to run those 12v pedals off of that? Is there restrictions to the Zuma? I just don’t know enough to know what info to search for online. Is there an email I can maybe reach you at to discus further?
Neil Finch The Strymon stuff really only draws about 250-300mA for the larger pedals. I haven’t committed to memory the exact number, but I remember when I measured them, they didn’t exceed 300mA. This means that most modern power supplies will have no issue power in these, however because you have the Whammy, the Truetone is maybe the best fit because it has a dedicated 9VAC output, and that’s what you’ll need for the Whammy pedal.
According to Digitechs website manual it takes 9v DC. Zuma is DC so would I need the dedicated AC for sure that the CS12 offers? Just reading the sites and it has me confused.
how did you get all of this electrical background w things like soldering and creating interfaces?? I’d like to try and start learning how to do these things on my own! where would i start?
Seth Chu doesn’t take much, especially if you’re making them passive. If you’re using buffers maybe look at the Creation Audio ones, they’re pre assembled PCBs and have the wires ready to solder into your input and output jacks and DC.
Can you please show how to convert a volume pedal to a volume / expression pedal ?? i have a boss FV 50H ( which is stereo ) ...and i rly wanna use it as an expression pedal for my pitch shifter, and as a volume pedal ... ANY video on this would be really really helpful. Thanks in advance !!
you can do that with an insert cable if you want it as an expression.
@@VertexEffectsInc I have looked for them...but they are just TOOO costly where I live. Can you please show us how to make one ? Maybe as a side project or something
An interesting mod!
This video brings up an interesting subject also, ROHS compliant electronics. Since it's getting harder to find lead solder these days, and what I can find has a much lower lead content.
Do you have a video with soldering tips for ROHS compliant electronics, i.e. temperature, flux, solder types? Or would you consider making a video for soldering with this type of electronics?
Thank you for posting!
I would think quality 60/40 solder is available in all decent electronic component stores?
Hi Mason! I have a Boss fv500l volume pedal. I've done the "vertex mod". And worked fantastic. But the pot is broken... can you tell me the specifications of a replacement pot?
You have it get it from boss as far as I know - I don’t think you can get them oem from elsewhere
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks!
Can you mod the DOD mini volume pedals?
9house Guitar You could do it on anything presuming it had enough jacks
How about the Goodrich Omni active/passive Volume Pedal with opposite polarity? Would this mod be possible?
Haven't looked into modding it.
Would there be a way to swap these with TRS jacks to preserve a stereo output?
There is no stereo output to begin with
@@VertexEffectsInc I meant if I wanted to try the mod myself down the road
Hey Doc! I was wondering if my volume pedal can also be used as an attenuator in the effects loop? I read some people online say yes, other say no but I don''t understand their reasoning. Thank you!
It can be used as a master volume in your effects loop however be sure to match your impedance of the effects loop with the volume pedal. You may need a low impedance volume pedal to work properly in your loop.
Vertex Effects Thanks for your help!
Jason Kurth 🙏
Hi, I'm building a pedal board using a pedaltrain Pro classic. I am using a a Strymon Zuma to power most of my pedals except for two as they both need more mah than the Zuma can supply. The two pedals in question are a Boss se-70 which uses a AC 12 volt psu 1.5A and a Hall and Collins signature echo which uses AC 12 volt 1A. If I plug both psu's into the same plug board will it cause a problem like hum? I live in the UK. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Vince Ball
Vince Ball you’ll need to use either a Pedal Power AC where you wire multiple outputs in series to get the current you need and you can run the Zuma out of the courtesy outlet of the Pedal Power so you only need one IEC plug into the wall. Otherwise you’ll need individual wall warts for each that meet your power specs, but it’ll be messier and if you try to incorporate on the board will likely be larger with a power strip and wall warts than the Pedal Power AC. I think the Cioks also makes an alternative AC power unit to the Voodoo Lab as well.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you so much for your quick response and information. I have a Voodoo power plus spare, can I use that or get the Voodoo power AC?
Vince Ball You need specifically the pedal power AC, or you can look at Cioks power supplies
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks again for the information. I'll get the Pedal power AC 👍
Hey man, do you have any instruction to upgrade VP volume pedal (not junior). I'd like to make it active and fix the tone loss. Cheers.
Amin Dehnavi No, but you could install a buffer circuit in there, the Redeemer circuit that is made by Creation Audio Labs might be a good candidate
Vertex Effects thanks 🙏
Cool mod thanks !
This is a pretty amazing video! Quick question: I built my wife an LP with a set of humbucker and a Ghost Piezo in it (she loves playing the acoustic). It comes out of the guitar as a stereo jack and was hoping (because this pedal is in stereo) to be able to mod my Dunlop so that the pedal would split the stereo signal inside the volume pedal and give me (for example) the humbucker/tip out the output jack and the ring/acoustic signal out the tuner jack. Is there a wiring schematic I can find online? Maybe a video? Maybe talk me through it? lol
You really should get a stereo volume pedal like a Boss FV-500L
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks! I'll look into it. Though it looks a little bigger than I think I can fit in my rig. Thoughts?
@@bourbon_sherbet1251 They have a smaller one, FV-50L I think.
Can you make the same or similar mod on the mini X and use a y cable for the loop?
I’m sure it’s possible, but I’ve never looked into it to try
I appreciate the response
The Mod, so does it allow to use all the pedals patched in for expression use!!
no, you would loose that feature
Hey there Doc! Not 100% related to this video but couldn’t find any video on this subject. Is it possible to damage equipment with a home made expression pedal? I know just enough about electronics to be dangerous. I think I know what I’m doing because I’ve been lucky with all my experiments to date! 😂 Anyway I opened up my line 6 ex-1 and found only a 10k linear pot. With that knowledge I dismantled an old volume pedal and wired in a 10k audio pot (through trial and error I found 10k audio worked best when compared to the stock ex-1) It seems to work fine...thoughts?
It won’t damage anything - if it’s reading resistance on a digital signal it might now make much difference if it’s linear or logarithmic
I have a custom built Boost pedal, that will Not work Inline with other pedals.........Can it be modified to do so ??
Not sure what that means...doesn't work with other pedals...why not take it back to the maker?
So there were no input and output buffers in Rhett’s pedal chain? Any tone suck issues?
He’s using the input Buffer on the Boss ES5, and the output Buffer from his Strymon reverb. It could be better, but it still sounded very good, and a lot of times the input buffers not use because of the fuzz devices.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks for the answer. I really appreciate that!
@@VertexEffectsInc I really appreciate the links you posted for the equipment you used. However, I noticed the octopus arms come with a different baseplate than what you were using. Do you have a link for the baseplate you're using? Thanks!
Please upload midi foot switch with Bluetooth. Thanks!
Bluetooth huh? True wireless
Vertex Effects No I mean wireless. Could be bluetooth or wifi.
That's a great video. I was after a way to mod a volume pedal to include a loop to create a wet dry / send return. Any idea how to do this ?
You wouldn't be able to do it like this, you'd have to drill into the side wall to add new jacks.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks for your reply. Any way to guide me to do it ? Thanks !
@@fabzbmc2609 we have wiring diagrams like this as part of our DIY buffer interfaces that you can follow.
Would a volume pedal work for my beat buddy pedal to control the volume just for it? So I don't have to bend down in a live performance to control the knob on the beat buddy.....kinda difficult while playing to adjust the volume
As a "mix"?
My volume pedal works fine if i plug guitar into volume pedal then from volume pedal to amp. But when i put it on my board after my drive pedals and before my delay and reverb when i use the volume pedal the volume drops off immediately within the first 10% of the travel of the foot treadle. Why is the sound droping off so fast when it's on the board buy works fine off the board. I'm guessing a impedance issue but i cant figure how to solve it please please please help???
Could we the impedance of the pedal before the volume pedal that's "on" or buffered. What's the VP? What's the pedal?
@@VertexEffectsInc it's a goodrich vp. It has a 500k pot in it
@@VertexEffectsInc my signal chain goes, ratsbaine, jhs angry charlie v2, ibanaez ts808, vertex effects steel string mkii, exotic super sweet boost in true bypass mode, then i insert the volume pedal- then into,boss dd8 and then a oceans 12 reverb.
@@shadtrisdale5444 I'd put the Boost in Buffered mode, it's not ideal but has a 1K output impedance. The 500K is high for a passive volume pedal.
@@VertexEffectsInci already tried switching the boost pedal into buffered mode that didn't help. and i tried changing the pot inside the pedal to a 25k that didnt help either if anything i gained another problem with the 25k pot all the high end was gone
Since u took the time to do that, why not put an i/o buffer on the loop u just created? I am just learning this but would a 1meg ohm resistor on the input & a 100ohm resistor on the output work?
You could you'd also need to add a power jack. Passively, no.
@@VertexEffectsInc what would the power jack be for exactly? Do I need to add power jack to power the buffer itself? So like the buffer would be it's own circuit powered by some low voltage supply? Then it accepts the line level from the guitar? I'm sorry I know this is way too many questions. I just want to learn to understand this...
@@MAP448 Buffers are active, not passive.
@@VertexEffectsInc so if a circuit is active then it has a power supply? And if it's a passive circuit then it's only "passing thru itself an outside signal?"
@@MAP448 if you want a buffer, it needs to be active, you can build in a treble bleed circuit into a VP passively but will only resolve part of the problem and won't address pickup loading or impedance issues related to the passive pickups driving capacitive loads from a guitar cable.
I don’t get it. The volume pedal controls the pedals?
Hey Curtis, it acts as the interface for the board!
Vertex Effects still don’t get it. I’ll just google
Curtis McLeod so the volume pedal acts as a regular volume pedal (no change to that function). However there are two unused jacks on the volume pedal for an expression and tuner out. We converted those two jacks and make them a send and return to route through the pedalboard to consolidate all the pedalboard connections in a singular location, so all input and output cables are in a “hub”. This is often done for large pedalboard with elaborate patchbays or interfaces, but we doubled up the volume pedal to take care of this need.
@@VertexEffectsInc This a a passive Volume pedal correct? Where would you recommend a buffer or buffered pedal in a high with this? I might be missing something.
Jason Phillips This is totally passive, and the first thing with the guitar hits before it goes into the switching system that Rhett Shull used. There is no buffer before the volume pedal, but there’s a buffer after it and then for the interface side it’s receiving a buffered output from the Strymon Big Sky. Ideally, you would want to use a input and output buffer that was dedicated for those particular purposes, and in the best case scenario before the volume pedal.
Hi, I bought this pedal a few weeks ago and I noticed some high loss and a volume drop even when the pedal is fully engaged (toe down position). Would you recommand to put a buffer before the volume pedal? Or is there any way to incorporate one inside the beast?
Always a pleasure to watch your videos.
how to mod boss 500H volume pedal 3 out puts ?????????????????????
We have some videos of that and diagram online.
Hi Mason, beginner here. Is it bad to use flux?
You can use it, however it's not always needed. Good 60/40 solder will work for most things, but flux can help get a better flow.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks for the info and fast reply. I just found about this channel a couple of days ago and now I can't stop watching and learning. You are the best!
@@OrhunCanVarol I'm so glad! Enjoy!!!!
Hi bro, do u have a video/demo on how to use ErnieBall Jr volume pedal as an Expression pedal? appreciate it...
just grab yourself a stereo (trs) jack to two mono jacks cable dude!
O.L. = open loop. Not overload
Zach Parr see corrections in comments from a few years ago. Thanks for watching!
@@VertexEffectsInc I can't seem to find the corrections you're pointing me towards, but I appreciate the reply on a 2 year old video. Just found this channel, I'm really enjoying it!
Zach Parr glad you’re enjoying them!
Hey Mason,
Sorry I'm a little confused about what this mod does. Does it make it so the one volume pedal can control volume AND also be used as an expression pedal? If so, if you went heel down with it to control an expression parameter, wouldn't it just mute the volume of the guitar as well?
Also, thanks for posting this tutorial! If I can wrap my brain around how to use it I may do it to mine!
Hello! No, the expression control wiring is removed from the pedal. Also the tuner out. This gives 2 free jack connections. So the outside jacks work like normal - guitar in through volume pedal and out to the rest of the pedalboard. Then after the final pedal you connect back to the volume pedal but this time it goes straight through to the other jack that was removed from the circuit board and you can connect your cable to amp into that one. The reason for doing so is that you have a single place to plug your cables and if you used for example a pedalboard switcher then you wouldn't need to plug directly in a switcher output but to a more convenient place such as the volume pedal.
@@maksmail So....essentially this mod creates a "thru" connection from the pedal board to the amp?
@@harleyhexxe9806 Yes, exactly!
What does it do?
Vertex Effects. Your works are always clean and pristine. I think this is what I just need. I’m going to do it with my Boss volume pedal. Thanks
I WISH I CAN FIND A VOLUME PEDAL TO USE IT ON MY CELL PHONE
hahahaha...that would be something
Show us how to use it please.
Tune in to the video today, we do the same mod
Vertex Effects link to the video?
Uh oh... I know what my next project is... lol
I don't mean to be captious--I appreciate your content--but OL on a multimeter... doesn't it stand for "Out of Limits" and not "overload?"
Thanks for watching! I think this was corrected in the description and commentary at some point when the video first released. Sometimes our editor (when I don’t edit myself) can’t correct technical errors in content - it actually means “open loop”. I didn’t catch it until someone else pointed it out. I think we were talking about volume pedals and effects loops and overloading instrument level delays and left that part our but I was still thinking about overloaded inputs apparently.
this is cool, but why would you do this?
If you wanted to double up your volume pedal as an interface - otherwise no need to mod it.
@@VertexEffectsInc well i mean why would you need an interface? that's the part im sort of confused about.
Cable maintenance, and efficiency is the primary reason, keeping a hub for all of your inputs and outputs so that you don’t have cords running from all sides of the Pedalboard. This is a pretty common practice amongst technicians and Pedalboard builders alike to cut down on messes of cables on stage. It may make more sense to you if you see the application, see Rhett Shull’s video that I linked here in the description
Contact cleaner on these 1/4" jacks is a waste of money. They don't get carbonized, there are no open/close contacts. And the sliding action of the plug when you push it in cleans the jack for you. Please Note: There are 1/4" jacks that DO have an open/close contact - the plug pushes it open or closed when it is inserted. These 'can' benefit from contact cleaner, but only if they're vEry old or used in very dirty areas.
Chris, not sure if you're open to having your mind changed, but this information you've stated is not accurate. I'm happy to explain if you're open to it.
Chad jawline, very nice
hahahahaha
Damn Sexy
(would this be the essential FX loop he [Rhett] posted about?)
You could connect the pedals straight to the amp and you avoid all this work dude…
this mod is pointless
Cesare Maio now we know where you stand, thanks for weighing in 🙏
Cesare Maio Thanks for your expertise and super important post 😂😂😂🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. #WhoCares