That Pedal Show - Where do you put your volume pedal?
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In this episode, Daniel and Mick explore the humble volume pedal and where you can put it in your pedal signal chain. Dan also explains the difference between active and passive volume pedals.
There are three basic positions for your volume pedal...
• At the very end of your signal chain for an overall master volume, meaning that delay and reverb trails are also muted when you turn it down
• In between your drive effects and modulation/delay/reverb, to act as a master volume for the full drive sounds, but maintain the trails/decay of your ’verbs and delays
• Before your drive pedals so that the volume pedal varies the amount of gain (and volume) created by the drive pedal
Dan and Mick explain and demonstrate each of the three approaches to help you decide what will work best for you. The volume pedal is an active type by Morley, but that doesn't really matter - use whatever you like.
Dan is playing his Gibson Custom Shop R8 Les Paul. Mick is playing his Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster. The amps are a Marshall JTM45 (modded and reboxed) and a Lazy J J 20. Both amps are on all the time, and we do our best to offend all singers!
Switching is handled effortlessly as always by TheGigRig G2, enabling you to position the volume pedal pretty much wherever you like in the signal chain, without having to physically move it. Neat, huh?
For more on TheGigRig, visit www.thegigrig.com
I've been using volume pedals since the late 70's and wouldn't want to play a gig without at least one. I usually use 2. One before time based effects and one at the beginning. Sometimes I'll put a tuner before the one at the beginning so I can tune silently. Cheers guys, good informative video.
I also have been using volume pedals since I saw Buddy Emmons use a Sho-Bud back in the early 70's. I used two. One in the front and one at the end. The one in the front gets great pedal steel effects and the one in the end works great to control the overall volume without having to get up and turn the amp down. Even though I mostly use my AxeFx III in the house now (I'm old and retired from playing gigs) I still have my Hilton volume pedal which uses RF to change the volume. It's got some controls on the underside to be able to adjust a lot of the parameters. This is the best active pedal I've ever used. It actually makes your guitar sound better.
You can put the volume pedal in the FX loop (if the amp has one) before or after you FX. That way you don't change the gain structure of the preamp.
Can you do a video with each of your personal pedal boards, explaining why each pedal is there and what that pedal beat out for its place on your respective board. Also, your personal amps used for giggin and overall whole set up?
Easily my favourite tones I've heard from you guys so far. The combination of those two amps is incredible. Cheers!
I will certainly never look at volume pedals the same way! Who new they could be so versatile?
As always, the guys in these videos are obviously having so much fun and that´s a great thing to see.
That G2 really makes it easy to demo the placement of the pedal! Only in the last year did I finally learn about placing the volume pedal in the middle of my chain, and it made all the difference in the world! This video clearly demonstrated what it took me umpteen years to finally learn! And OMG what tone coming from those amps!!!
Very useful info and love how much fun you guys have making these videos. Thanks!
Love the Way you keep going through the years
Fantastic explanation/ demonstration...🎸🕺... as always!
Can't wait for the dual amps video!!! Your videos are amazing, they give so much inspiration and knowledge. You're great!!!
9Mighell , ah, cheers mate. yep, should be up week after next :)
Again very helpful and useful video. I was about to buy a passive volume pedal but this video did change my mind. Thanks guys! Also the information about the place in chain is helping me a lot.
Very well played. Great explanation and demonstration as to how & where the placement of a volume pedal matters. It's clear that it is a personal call, but there is a distinct difference. I think I would prefer mine at the beginning of the chain, though I can clearly see why one might want it at the end, or better yet to have it set up the way you do so that I could alternate between the two. Thank you very much.
11:06 just sold me an angry charlie. That was breath taking. I could sit a doodle with that for days and days!
Thank you so much guys, I’ve been wrestling with this problem for a while, and this was by far the clearest and most entertaining explanation I’ve gotten so far!
You’re most welcome 🤓👍
i played your video almost 100 times just for the sound in the riff in 10.55... what a sound.. i bought JHS THE AT and tried to reproduce it a bit.. awesome !!!
Thx guys! I will run mine in the middle. Very helpful. And by the way I love your collaboration with Josh from JHS🎸🤘🏼🇵🇹
Fantastic, thank you very much for this. For me, the best option is putting it in somewhere in "the middle" (after dirt/before modulation effects), and using the volume knob on the guitar to control the amount of juice going into the dirt pedal.
This is great! I like the volume pedal at the end so I can run the guitar at 10 (wide open tone) and lower the volume of sound when I am in smaller rooms.
Old school That Pedal Show. Almost makes me sad how fast the time has gone by.
Me liking this 2 years after your comment
Thanks for that guys, very educational.
The Charlie Brown with the Les Paul into these two amps... I agree : killer tone!!!
da Vinci Angry Charlie: JHS
"Problem solved." You guys are so awesome and informative. Please keep up all the good work! Thank you for doing these!!!
Daniel is like the best big brother any guitar player can have. The fact that they take the time, for once, to explain you slowly what the nuances are makes you very savvy about that issue for the rest of your life and also grasp the essential concept..
Thanks! I placed mine first in the chain and realized that the compressor after the volume pedal reduced the ability to swell. The pedal was either all or nothing. Will put it just before the amp input, and let all the modulation stuff happen in the loop afterwards. Great demo, fellows!
Love this show! Thanks!
Best guitar sound ever on the show. That was simply overwhelming, man...
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You guys are bad-ass dudes! Learned a lot from you guys...Thanks!
Another great video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
M DA Our pleasure, thanks for watching :)
Clear explanation. Thanks Dan.
Great vid thank you for sharing this knowledge!
I'm a male lead guitar, and lead vocals. I have a passive volume I use at the end of my chain, right after my boost actually. I feel I can control things a lot better, sometimes It's just I don't turn my dirt off and it's easier to use it as a kill switch of sorts. But I can switch off my dirt pretty fast and have my delay trails keep going. It sounds pretty good, I have people asking me a lot how I get my tone especially since the amp I'm using is a Fender 68 custom twin, one of the reissues, where they went with the tweed bassman tone stack in the custom channel, which I use with Mids turned almost all the way up, and the bright switched turned on. But I am really trying all sorts of things. Right now all I use is a lovepedal superlead, a fulltone ocd, and a blackout effectors musket fuzz, for dirt! For the three delays, the catalinbread bella epoch, the echorec and the Mallecko ekko 616, I have a wah, standard vox. , the boost which is a fulltone 2b and the ernie ball volume. I actually would like to get the G2 at one point to control all this. I love your products. Anyway very informative video!
hi guys, your videos are informative, really fun and ooze your love of music. Plus you are both awesome guitarists so its great just to hear you play!! So well explained and I'm playing more than ever now and with more confidence, as understanding signal path and gain structure, my music is already more expressive! (maybe its really the Lovepedal Vibronaut I just bought.) either way...Bring it on :-)
Dan keep on with the great gear and great videos :) Cheers from a Mexican living in Canada :D
I put my volume pedal before gain, because I like to be able to get a gradual progression from clean(er) to chunk (in a build-up to a chorus, for example). But I keep the volume pedal after my EHX B9 (Organ Machine), which won't engage without a certain threshold level of input signal. This also lets me set the global organ level, which is handy. Anyway, great video!
Brilliant video, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
"I'll give you her fax details" lmao!!!
So basically what you're saying is we should run 3 volume pedals on our boards? Alright, I'll do it!
In my opinion the one at the very end is useless except for a kill switch... when would you want to adjust your overall volume and have an unnatural jerk in the time based stuff? Wouldn't you just use that position for a killswitch? Before and after overdrive definitely.
that.
Carmelo Santini Agreed. I would put my tuner there maybe.
Perhaps you missed it, but they mentioned that you can change the virtual position of the volume pedal with the Gigrig. It's not the same as having two physical pedals but it can be a solution.
I really like these guys videos a lot
Great video Daniel, will leave my volume pedal in the middle where it already is.......until I can afford a G2 that is, but by then it will probably be a G4!! :-)
Hey Guys, Thanks for all the great info! I have a mini Blackstar fly that I rigged up, and the tone is the best I ever heard in my life! From any rig. I put a little tube Pre-Amp on it 12au7 I think. Vintage Mullard tube...since I lost volume ( from the pre, or the OD pedal, or both together? not even sure). I added a mini Mosky Vol pedal to the mini "Trouble" Overdrive pedal I chained in...I'm just learning how to manipulate amp tones...I think I got really lucky here! lol. It's now pretty loud, and too loud to play it with ought bugging people near me. I got a tiny "passive" attenuator for this rig. If I heard you correctly...I should chain the Att. box after my Overdrive & Vol Pedal effects? As I'm thinking do I now have 2-volume devices kind of? The Blackstar Fly has no EFX loop in/out per se. I guess I could go in to the 1/8" "line in/mp3" too? maybe? Just put a 1'4" adapter blah blah, but that gets to be too much rigging if I can just chain it after the EFX pedals. Could you PLEASE tell me the best way to rig up this little attenuator for what I have going on here? I'm actually going to mic this rig when I record, and even play out! The tone is that amazing...I play heavy stuff. Thanks a million! Rock!
I'm a big fan of your videos!
Well done gents, settled it for me, I want volume control without compromising the drive or distortion tone..... My pedal will go either after the drives before mods or at the end of everything...... I will no longer put the volume pedal at the beginning as like you said I have a volume knob on my guitar if I want to roll back the tone, I don't need to repeat that at the beginning of my chain...... I have getting it wrong a long time!! Thanks again for all the very helpful videos!
+caleshtcincredibles ah, cheers mate
Dope and informative video! I put my vp in the middle, to get those nice swells.
+Steven Tijerino which kind of volume pedal for this job, 25k or 250k?
I used a 250K EBVP Jr. But now I use a Tapestry Audio Bloomery VP.
thanks!
superb as always :)
Amplifier - Reverb, Echo etc. - Volume Pedal - Overdrive - Guitar (volume pot on guitar to control gain of OD)
Simple.
Shouldn't echo be near the end of chain?
Was this the chain of the last place they put the VP in this video?
I put mine after my drive section and before my delays/reverb and trem. I use it as a master volume for my gain section.
love how kid like they get over guitar and sound .....these guys are great ambassadors for the sheer joy of gtr
Middle. I still got the volume on my guitar for dirty to clean. also that’s in the effect loop or after the overdrive in the front end. I like it in the effect loop
Having just got a volume/expression pedal I needed this Thanks guys; however I don't have a G2, and looking at my board am trying to find where the passive will go now, still a bit confused but will consult the Vox manual to see if that helps. (like putting it into the amp foot pedal port or something) but really want those swells. (using a zoom FP 02 pedal).
Was considering placing VP after drives but love being able to go from kind of clean to full drive with the VP.
thank you guys! I have only one doubt: if I have a passive pickups I should buy a high resistance pedal and I can put everywhere?
Would be cool if in upcoming stuff you show using both volume knob on guitar and volume pedal in position 1 and when you go for what. Obviously fuzz would be controlled by guitar, but so would your base sound even when the fuzz isn't on since the volume knob changes the way a guitar behaves. Trying the Telonics and Lehle, hopefully going to be able to try the Telonics pro because both of these pedals change the sound due to the active circuitry. I got the Telonics standard which rolls off bottom end and really high frequencies, and it just sounds like it lacks guts... that's why I'm going to try to do the pro model. I have done blind tests with people, hoping to get all 3 of them together and put them in the switcher and go through lehle, telonics, telonics pro, and dry. They both have really really nice sweeps.
Great demo, so if you have a G2 or similar and can move the volume pedal before, middle and end do you need a low impedance or high impedance pedal? Active or passive?
For those of you that like swells, I’ve found that the volume pedal right in the middle works amazing
thank u for very usefull information.
what is the over drive u use in thes video?
4:27 strymon timelapse is angry
I would say this as well. If you use envelope filters or pitch shift stuff, such as hog/pog/whammy they should go first no matter what.
Thank you! ✊😎👍
Cool video, guys. I've explained this very thing to many people since reading an article where Pete Cornish explained different volume pedal positions in the signal chain.
Still unsure whether to buy passive or active for my board..
Jordan Dedo thanks Jordan. If you can find a transparent passive volume that doesn't load your signal then Id say go passive, but most do unfortunately, but if they're going after a buffered pedal then the buffer will drive the volume pedal and you won't have any issues. Theres no substitute for getting your hands dirty and trying out a bunch. They all have their own feel. Cheers mate
I've been playing the guitar for 20 years and I have never, ever...EVER heard a guitar sound that good. Incredible.
I need one! 😳
heys guys, also man! Great video!
I love this show, theres always something good I learn in every episode. To be clear though, a passive volume pedal after OD and before delays will retain the high end frequencies? Also, at the front end, would an active VP affect fuzz negatively? And yes! That JHS thru the two amps is glorious. Mmmm. Thanks so much!
brian patrick HI Brian. A passive volume pedal after an ENGAGED OD will retain the top end, but if its in the middle of a true bypass series of pedals can suck your tone. An active pedal into germanium fuzz can cause issues as well. Hope that helps
Daniel TheGigRig 10-4, thanks as always.
I'm going to try running a stereo rig soon, and run a volume pedal in the fx loop of each amp. And maybe another one on some stage of the pedal board.
Is this a good idea? What type would be suitable at each stage?
Great video. Do those three position concepts apply with passive pedals as well?
Great help, so how do I move the pedals position
Interesting. How do I use a both a volume Pedal and have my delay and reverb in the effects loop of my amp if both these setups use the Volume Insert Send and Return on the G2.
watching this reminded me, when is there gonna be more info about the next G2 software update? Can't wait
Been setting up a huge board for myself that I'm using a QMX with... been facing this question lately as I figure out which volume pedal if any to use... with an active volume pedal after the compressor but before dirt and with fuzz before all ... when do you use your volume knob vs volume pedal? Obviously knob for fuzz, and can use the knob to manipulate compressor. Is it just kind of a journey of moods as to which you reach for when?
you guys have too much fun... (:
I need a volume pedal for swells, after drive pedals and before delay. I'm using it with a Telecaster standard and a valve amp..so which kind of volume pedal for this job, 25k or 250k?
Hey guys, love the vids. Question, if y'all don't mind. I run one amp for clean another for dirt and was wondering if there is a volume or expression pedal that could blend the two. I currently split my signal into a volume pedal into the clean amp but it's kind of a pain. Is there a pedal that can turn one amp up while simultaneously turning the other one down? Thanks.
I'd like humble Mick :) Humble Mick was funny :)
how does volume pedal impedance affect the placement? can we just place volume pedals anywhere we want regardless of the impedance? thanks!
I liked the volume pedal before overdrive setup. Well, there has to be a reason why they're called "expression pedals"! They're quite useful.
There are another kind of pedals that control voltage. Those are exp pedals and can control anything the pedals allows it to (delay time, fq in a eq, delay reapets, oscillator speed, tremolo speed...) Volume pedal is volume pedal
Thanks for the great video guys. I have a question though, I have a Cali76 Compressor which is usually at the very front of my signal chain as to my experience comp pedals work best when they see see input guitar signal before anything else. Now the main question is, If I have an active volume pedal, which one should be first? Imagine I want to change the gain level as well as the volume so putting the VP at first is a must, then how about the comp pedal? Is it a trade off at the end of the day?
What is the best way of managing the comp and VP?
+konnektlive If you want to get the same compression level no matter where you set your volume pedal, put the compressor before the VP. If you want to be able to change the amount of compression, put the compressor after the VP. This way, if you turn the VP down, you will reach a point when the signal will get little compression or no longer be compressed at all, depending on your comp. settings.
Got some questions, guys! :
I´m on negotiations on having a Boss FV-300L. My intention is to put it just after the gain as you said, but in my chain I like to have a chorus. So... Did i put the pedal before or after the chorus?
And there´s a fourth use. I´ve borrowed my brother´s Schaller FV-121 and put it on the FX loop of my amp ( a monster plenty of watts ) for playing at home without having riots with the neighbours. Learned that trick from Mr. Brian Wampler.
Thanks for what you´re doing. Your channel rocks, and it´s the ultimate source for learning how to use gear properly!
Greets from Spain! :
Jaume.
Hey lads, if I'm playing an LP with a passive volume pedal, can I put an active buffer and it would solve the muffled sound issue?
Great video!... What if you are playing both and acoustic guitar on some songs but also use electric on others? I'd like to use the same effects (Line 6 Helix), would I need 2 separate volume pedals? P.S. I do use an Fishman Aura Spectrum DI in front of the Acoustic. Thanks again!
You didn't say much about active volume pedals for those of us new to them, but I'm looking to put one in my fx loop for home practice. Would I lose tone or gain with a passive one there?
So now I need to buy three Volume Pedals!!!! Killer Tones :P
james fitzgerald or a G2 ;)
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Daniel TheGigRig I Highly Recommend this option!!! got mine last week and it's blowing my mind since! :-)
So can an active volume pedal increase gain or only reduce gain or both?
I have an ild micro amp footswitch with a volume(gain) knob which i think is designed specifically for clean boost; soloing etc.
Is that a Morley mini wah volume pedal you're using? Do you like the volume taper on their optical pedals? I want one but have heard they're more of an audio taper rather than linear.
Would you get sound changes if you had your volume pedal after the overdrive but your power amp sections were also compressing? You would essentially be removing some of the signal from the overdrive pedal into your compressing amp right?
I have a stereo volume pedal for use with my dual amp setup. What can I do if I want to add a third amp to the mix. I wand to be able to swell all amps at once.
it would have been nice to hear using the pedal for attack suppression, Like EVH Cathedral or opening of Xanadu/La Villa Strangiato- I would assume this is front-of-chain placement so ping-pong delay (Cathedral) stays intact....was hoping to see difference of active/passive in that regard.
Hi guys, I am looking at volume pedals and or expression pedals. I'd like to use them to control gain of OD pedals and hopefully features of my new strymon DIG pedal and others. Can I use a morley volume pedal to do this or would I need a specific expression pedal to control pedal features rather than just overall volume? Thanks so much
Only thing about putting an active pickup in the beginning is fuzzes, treble boosters, and other germanium stuff right? Do you just set the G2 to push the volume pedal after those effects when active? I haven't ever seen you guys do a video on Lehle vs Boss vs Analogman buffered boss 500h pedal.... pretty sure I've seen the Vertex boost make an appearance though? I can't say that I've seen every video but I've seen most of them more than once :) No overdrives get mad at the active?
Great Video, thanks.
With the G2 does the active or passive nature of the volume pedal still come in to play?
Could you also use an expression pedal with the built in level controls of the G2?
I hope that make sense.
Chris
Chris Gray Hi Chris. With G2 you can use any volume pedal you like, the only important thing is if you're using an active volume pedal, make sure you like the sound of its buffer. Cheers Chris :)
I have a question I'm hoping you guys could give me an answer to; does an active volume pedal work as a buffer when you simply have it on? I'm about to build a new pedalboard and I'm gonna get a buffer for it, but I kinda feel like I should get/need a second buffer for the effects loop. If an active volume pedal works as a buffer then that solves my problems but I'm not sure that's the case. Great videos by the way :)
Could you guys do a video on expression pedals?
I had a passive volume pedal and I used after the gain chain, between my delay and my tremolo. I had lots of troubles because the depth of the tremolo just disappear. Is there any way to solve this?
"It's a measurement of resistance to ground" (Insert Mick's confusion face here)
I have the Scott Henderson Vertex volume pedal, and I'm in the process of building a pedal board. My volume pedal is passive, with no buffer (because it's passive). I'm going to have about 8 pedals on my board. I'd rather have my volume pedal at the beginning of the chain. Any suggestions with where I put a buffer in the chain with a passive volume pedal? Thanks.
This is a fantastic video by the way! Answers every question. (But one) I have a rockerverb mkiii. I want my volume pedal first but also want to be able to hear the end trails of my amps reverb. I'm talking about the actually built in reverb from the amp not a reverb pedal. Any way for that to work?
Unless you get a reverb pedal, afraid not. The reverb is built into the amps circuit, so you can either replace your amps reverb with a pedal, or your amps drive with a pedal, otherwise it won't work
Guys, how the heck did you get the mic'd guitar sound to be so huge. This sounds amazing. I have a great amp and cab, cranked to good levels, good pedalboard, and I feel like my mic'd sound(as heard on stage through in-ears) is never this big(as I hear it through a computer and headphones). It may just be perception. This guitar sounds huge. Looks like stereo signal, 2 amps and 2 mics? Any room mics also mixed in there?
what to do if you want to use reverb. delay etc without an effects loop? Ive got a Blackstar Artisan and has two seperate channels similar to a vox AC30 and was going to use a ABY box to put my effects in one channel and the distortion in the other. Would this be a better way to do this than putting them straight into the front of the same channel. thanks Joe Daniel TheGigRig
Btw Angry Charlie is a BEAST.
Back to the topic... it's probably a stupid question but if I have my volume pedal after signal chain but I also have delay, reverb, etc in LOOP, would I get that reverb and delay trails?
Thanks for the weekly joy of pedals you bring. I have a question of using the humdinger with an active volume pedal (with PRO14). The volume pedal is after the overdrive and works perfect. When I put on the humdinger after the violume pedal it makes hum noise. How can I use boith without hum noise?
+Frits Holtman how are you powering it? Any tech questions just forward to joe@thegigrig.com and he'll get you sorted
I put 2 passive VPs. One at the very beginning and one at the very end before going to AMP.