Ronaldo or Messi? Keane, Wright, Bilic and Evra disagree | ITV Sport Retro
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During our coverage of the 2018 World Cup our punditry team debate who was the best.
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I love both of them but honestly when you watch Messi it looks like he's somehow involved in every goal scored by the team.
That is the difference, Ronaldo competes Messi in goal scoring charts only but what about assists,key passes, through balls
Messi is the best striker and the best midfielder
It would be an interesting stat to see how many passes involve Messi on Barcelona goals. Like 96% I'd say.
I get what Roy says but Messi literally did the same thing, he transformed his play style. Now that Messi doesn't have great passers behind him like Xavi or Iniesta, he transformed himself from a finisher to one of the best passers in the football history all while he still scores a lots of goals.
Amen
messi did not change anything he still place the same...
@@okaysphe4975 Then look at a game from 2010-11 then look at a game from 2020-21
@@spbspb2413 nahh brahh messi is a central foward on paper but look at he's game play he always drops dip and place passes when he gets the ball sometimes he dribble players and scores he's not like Ronaldo he does not stand in the box
@@spbspb2413 messi: 0 international titles without iniesta and xavi
argentina without messi: 14 copas americas and 2 world coups
argentina with messi: 0 titles
**insert generic comment about enjoying them both while we can because they wont be playing forever**
**insert irrational rude comment that doesn't help anyone, because it's the internet**
@@soyentak5076 I bet you're fun at parties 🙄
*insert generic comment to support the agreement*
*Insert random comment that has nothing to do with anything*
Insert comment of triggered fan of either of the two positions insulting anyone with low iq words and phrases to fell better about himself
Just wish I could see n hear Roy's first reaction to ian Wright's shirt
That's a nice shirt bruh
@@trumpjr3940 opinions vary!
'It's a bit ohhverr de top'
A white guy could never pull off that shirt in a million years!
I Made a video asking Nigerians Messi or Ronaldo 🇳🇬
It was quite funny though 😎
Evra made a good point
what did he say?
Marc Kerhoas lmao it took me a moment to realise the joke...
Marc Kerhoas exactly
😂😂😂😂
Sarcasm at its finest
"I am messy, because I told you"
- Slaven Bilic
"I am mercy... because I told you"
-Slaven Bilic
It's never a fun debate with Roy, you either agree with him or he will rip you up
I Made a video asking Nigerians Messi or Ronaldo 🇳🇬
It was quite funny though 😎
We all know they're both brilliant, but as a natural, it's Messi all day
I´d take ROnaldo. More versatile, better leader.
Did you say more versatile than Messi? Messi can play CAM CF ST LM/W RM/W what are you even saying
You know these guys always say CR7 played in DIFFERENT LEAGUES, he played OUTSIDE HIS COMFORT ZONE. Like duude…
Leaving a top flight team and joining another top flight team isnt what “leaving in his comfort zone is”
Thats like saying transferring from Harvard to cambridge to MIT to yale makes you a great student. JUST NO… its just a different place but the same calibre
United misses tough captains like Roy Keane
We look at football from different perspectives. I like to look at football as a form of art, beauty. That is why I watch football, to enjoy art.
They always have this debate after Ronaldo has a good game 😂 never ever mention Ronaldo when Messi has a good game
@ll ll watch football buddy
Messi didn't loose Barcelona did
It's not Messi's fault barca conceeded 8 goals 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️fool fan
@@DC-nt4nz Messi is average when under pressure cr7 is a genius in important games, when it matters and in under pressure games
@ll ll so u r admitting that Barcelona hai gangbang ronaldo very hard😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ll ll so what is the benfit of scoring how many goal even not save his team fucking penaldo fan😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ll ll hahahah u r such an idiot .after seeing ur comment only one thing comes to mind that ur ass is burning to its peak. U pitu penaldo fan never ever admit that messi is not even better than penaldo but penaldo is not even in his class. Whenever all time top footballer of all time comes here always a discussion of messi ronaldo9,Maradona and pele not ur pissing penaldo
The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is as tight as Ian Write's shirt buttons.
I love ronaldo more
I would rather have ronaldo in my team than messi
But at the same time,when it comes to raw ability,i think messi is better.
Messi is just a freak of nature,whereas ronaldo has built himself up to the level of a freak of nature
@zakaria djouzi Nobody heard in your neighbor maybe... In Portugal he was already becoming a star
@@Nhilzer young ronaldo is a star in portugal? Portugal standard for a star back then is quite low then. Young ronaldo have talent but hes still very raw, his understanding on how to play football is very poor. 1st time hes landing in mu are just showboating and diving, he pisses all his teammate. Ferguson is the real mvp who transform ronaldo into world class players.
if you put messi in the same boat as ronaldo in terms having to graft to get to where they are ronaldo would be the best player of all time because his mentality and determination is unmatched across the footballing world. messi hasn’t had to work as hard as ronaldo has and considering ronaldo got diagnosed with that knee issue at like 29 shows how good he actually is. messi shouldn’t be in the same conversation as the REAL goat
zakaria djouzi imagine accusing the 2 best players of all time of doping, embarrassing, I personally think Ronaldo is better for one reason only, he actually got tested for drugs for how good he played
You guys are really being toxic lmao
Well at least Slav spoke some sense.
It depends what you admire more in a human being. Having a lot of natural talent at something and working tirelessly to get the absolute maximum out of it is admirable in anyones book. But it doesn't eclipse a natural gift that is beyond everyone elses because when that is witnessed in its purest form, it blows everything else away. And that is Messi. Maradona was the same, he didn't make the most of it always because of his life issues but he had something nobody else in his day had naturally.
Messi has been that guy throughout his career. Nobody else has what he has naturally but he doesn't always align to it which gives the illusion that someone else matches him. A 10/10 Messi performace is still beyond what anyone else can do.
Football investors club. You are 100% spot on.
How is Ronaldo more complete than Messi, lol
@@greaterthanharrowk1679 Short version is, he is not. Messi is twice the player, always has been. Ronaldo fans are largely sychophants.
Messi in full flow blows everyone away, it’s crazy that people think they are on par, yes Ronaldo is an astonishing player but Messi is from another planet, look at he’s career he’s been a team player and stepped up to the plate when needed, look at it this way, you can take Ronaldo out of the team and the team is still pretty good but take Messi out and it’s game over for the team, if Messi left Barcelona it would take a decade to get them back to a descent team.
Well said
Funny thing is, Paul Clement recently said that it was actually Ancelotti who persuaded Ronaldo into changing his position, contrary to what Slaven was guessing.
I think it was a bit of both. He had definitely simplified his playing style after joining Real, probably because Spanish teams were much more tactical at the time. He needed to start playing more with his head and less with his feet.
ITV Sport please bring back this panel for the next World Cup
Keane, Bilic, Wright & Gary Neville please!!!!!!
Messi is the better player. He may not be as hard working and committed as Ronaldo, but purely on ability and being a game changer, Leo is unsurpassed. I believe if you asked the entire world of football (fans, players, managers, commentators) who is best, the winner would unanimously be Messi.
Keane is that friend everyone wishes to have he will back you no matter what
Messis instincts are just supernatural. if you watch his tapes, you see that he knows how opponents are going to move even before they know it. and when they move, he moves in a way that even super footballers are not able to.
he took HGH when he was younger up until 18 to help him grow stronger and faster than everyone else!
TheCelticTiger He took them to help him grow taller than 4ft 5. I don’t know if you’ve seen him now but he’s hardly a powerhouse.
TheCelticTiger the guys never been stronger or faster, he’s goated because his dribbling and iq are better than everyone
@@notagod7804 are you blind have you ever even seen him play ?
@@notagod7804 go educate yourself on the matter and that goes for all of the butthurt Messi fans in the comment section, HGH is starting to be outlawed in sports because there are cases of parents trying to get there kids on it so they can have a ADVANTAGE over the competition, especially in the USA!
Anyone with any kind of football knowledge knows that Messi is better than Ronaldo as a footballer.
People compare Messi and Ronaldo with goal scoring statistics, yet Messi also has the most Assists for a football player, a better goal scoring ratio, is one of the best playmakers of all time with an unbelievable passing ability, also is one of the best dribblers of all time.
Not to discredit Ronaldo, he’s been great at what he does on the pitch, and that’s score goals.
He’s also transformed his playing style over the years, going from a winger to a striker, but his overall footballing ability doesn’t come close to Messi’s.
Which it doesn’t have to, since he’s a different type of player, but because Messi can do so much more than goalscoring, he’s in his own league for me.
Messi more naturally gifted, but I’d pick CR7 every day of the week!
Nobody asked u who u would pick, d question is WHO IS A BETTER FOOTBALLER??
Messi all the way but take a moment to look at Ian wrights shirt 😂
One is a monster made of strength, power and tenacity; the other is a monster made of guile, agility and technique. End of the day they're both monsters, everyone else is livestock for them to feast on.
ITS A TEAM GAME! even the greats forget that it isnt just about one player. when messi plays he makes other players play better around him and he still has the option to do it on his own, thats why hes so clear of ronaldo and always has been.
Messi overall for me.
Two years on and we're still having the debate
Best pundit lineup ever 🤩
Keane, Neville, caragher and souness would be the dream
Sam Cook *Wright > Souness*
@@samcook7046 One per team is enough. Keane, Carra, Henry and Mourinho (as a Chelsea backer obvs) would be great to watch
Ronaldo will be remembered for his trophies, Messi will be remembered for his game, that's the real difference.
shut up
@@Ruoow Why u mad ? cr7 is probably the greatest competitor and athlete football has ever seen. But on the field, nobody can do what Messi does.
@@titouanleroux4304 Maradona did that
messi has won more trophies than ronaldo and is 3 years younger LOL
@@titouanleroux4304 argentina with messi: 0 titles. argentina without messi: 2 world coups, 14 copas americas.
Messi let his country down. Cr7 didnt. Real difference
I agree it's a matter of taste. Ronaldo CR7 for me is just incredible. Especially now as they are aging, it's showing Ronaldo's natural ability too.
The smile from Roy after his comment. He Knows he's lying he knows it's Messi
Messi= the perfect way to play football!!!
hog the ball and try to dribble round everyone because he thinks he’s unstoppable. perfect in my eyes. ronaldo is clear
@@tomlequelenec2784 he was unstoppable especially in his prime nw both cr7 and messi are comparable to other great footballers today bt in their prime no one is close to them
@@tomlequelenec2784 Hog the ball? What, are you not supposed to keep possession? This isn't the sport for you bud. Besides, Messi's an elite dribbler, and yes, he's unstoppable. The only way to get the ball off him is to foul him.
@@tomlequelenec2784 What, you don't want him to dribble? He is unstoppable. GTFOH dumbass
Then why doesn't it work when he doesn't have the absolute best players in the world around him... Argentina suck, Messi can't lead a team and get results against the wind. Ronaldo will get results with a Sunday league team behind him.
Some people really think CR7 doesn't have natural skills in football and that it's just hardwork ahahahah
Football fans say Messi. United fans say Ronaldo. You can't save them, they don't wanna be saved.
Behave will ya, Messi is king. Both legends of the game but messi is pure genius
Genius? Lol far from it. He is the best dribbler in the world with his incredible low gravity however genius no way!
Funny how since this only messi of those two won a balon d'or
Lewandowski deserved to win it last year
@@theh0lybible how??? Lewa deserved it 2020, but bcus of Covid, there was no ceremony. Messi was clear in 2021
Messi - better assist provider statistically speaking, better balance, better dribbling success, better shot conversion
Ronaldo - more able with both feet, tactically able to play in a bigger variety of systems, better header of the ball, more athletic (overhead kicks), better motivator for his team mates, better penalty conversion (Messi has missed more than 20 in his career), has won trophies with four teams instead of one, better variety of dribbling (esp at MUFC).
Sometimes Messi, sometimes Ronaldo. When both of them have finished their careers, it will become clearer.
Some of the things you said don't really matter, and some others are plain wrong.
Ronaldo isn't more tactically flexible at all. That Messi only played in possession based systems at Barca has to do with the club's philosophy. Messi is also effective as the #10 in counter attacking teams, as seen at various points with Argentina and Luis Enrique's Barcelona. If the wingers and strikers make the runs, Messi will deliver perfect passes. Ronaldo is arguably less tactically flexible than Eto'o or Robben, never mind Messi. He could play on the right during his United days, but that's only a small part of his career. Since ~2014 he only played as a winger/second striker. Not even as a #9, a role in which he's generally been awful in. It showed whenever he played there for Portugal and was flanked by 2 true wingers. At Real he had Benzema to complement him and do the actual #9 work. It's no coincidence Benzema had his best season in 7 years once Ronaldo left.
Messi's ambidexterity is underrated. Maybe he lagged behind Ronaldo on this criterion early in their careers, but nowadays he's able to do things with his weak foot Ronaldo could never do with his strong one. See him vs. Neuer in 2015.
The motivator stuff is just rubbish talk. Ronaldo has a history of being a bit of an asshole towards his team mates, even making statements like "if everybody was on my level, we would've won". Of course it's not all black and white, but neither it is with Messi. Critics will be quick to point at pictures of Messi looking down to the ground as proof of bad body language, but they'll ignore the times when Messi shouts and claps and does all of the silly stuff people think make Ronaldo a good leader. The truth is that neither are really captain material like Puyol, Casillas, Ramos, Gerrard, Keane etc. were. That Barca showed bad attitude against Roma, Liverpool or Bayern was on the managers. If the manager is completely clueless, no amount of running and desire will save you.
Overhead kicks and "variety of dribbling" are aesthetically pleasing, sure. Still pretty irrelevant. Zlatan is known for his acrobatic finishes & he's good at them because he does taekwondo, but the underlying truth is that he's simply bad with his head. If you score, you score. Ronaldo's clearly better in the air than Messi, but whether his finishes are acrobatic or just simple headers doesn't change anything. Same with the dribbles. The point is to get past the opponent, not to do tricks. Do tricks if they help you, but if you don't need them there's no point to them.
What? Messi wins 47% of his dribblings, Ronaldo wins 59%. Messi hits on 8,9% of his shorts, Ronaldo at 10,1% Messi hits on 8,1 of his free kicks, Ronaldo on 9,4%.
@@bowlchamps37 Where the hell did you get these stats?
According to fbref, career stats per 90 minutes:
Messi: 5.33 dribbles per game, 66.8% successful
Ronaldo: 1.70 dribbles per game, 61.6% successful
Messi: 5.20 shots per 90', 45.3% on target, 0.15 goals per shot
Ronaldo: 5.79 shots per 90', 37.4% on target, 0.12 goals per shot
According to Michel Acosta:
Messi's free kick conversion rate: 8.7%. Ronaldo's: 6.1%.
@@bowlchamps37stats from ohio
Bilic sounds like a bond villain.
Great input from Patrice here
how come that every freaking time a debate like this takes place... comparing both guys in their respective National Team... they ALL forget about the fact that Argentina's team sucks balls??? everytime
a difference maker kind of guy like these 2, can't make any difference if the other 10 players and the manager do nothing to help them...Portugal understood that... ARgentina is still struggling with poor management and call ups
why do people INSIST on ignoring that???
Taking opinions from a bunch of united legends.... the more prolific legends like rooney and ferdi have always gone for messi
I can't believe anyone can closely compare Messi with Ronaldo ? Messi is out on his own a complete freak of nature he gets people of their seats he destroys teams and great players single handed sometimes. He is so modest and very much a humble person. Brazilian Ronaldho is much better even.
did you not see ronaldo when he was at united??? watch best of ronaldo for man united and you cant say messi is on his level, noway.
@Arithmeticua-cam.com/video/Fb95jJPT_-4/v-deo.html
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OK BUD.
@Arithmetic 🤡🤡🤡
Dinho>>>Both of them.
Oh look a LiVARpool fan hating on ex United player, what a shocker
After this Messi won his 6th Ballon D'or. 👑
And Now 2 seasons Straight, Messi is far ahead of Ronaldo in terms of GOALS, ASSISTS, TROPHIES etc
Imagine having them both playing in the same team!! Ronaldo pips it for me as he's played in all the major Leagues and Countries and been a Winner everywhere he's been...Messi hasn't influenced Argentina like the Great Maradona did!! Both great players without any doubts! The debate will carry on........
How was this a debate
I agree with Evra.
I'm glad that it was posed as a fun debate because that's all that this can be. The two if them are out of this world. We should count ourselves damn lucky to have had this opportunity!
Only Slaven Bilic was right. Messi is better player than Ronaldo. Since this debate Messi have won the Copa America, and the world cup, and he won couple of trophies in PSG.
I didn't know cohhcarnage did punditry as a part time hobby
Anybody who said Pendu is now owned by Messi...
Like how Keane’s trying to hold back a smile at 0:46
Going to be funny when Messi leaves his "comfort zone" and comes to the PL and absolutely destroys it
Hold on to your horses boy.
Hahahahahahahahaah
@@cmac5365 idk why u r laughing lmao he’s destroyed arsenal United city Chelsea spurs in champions league, ppl saying he will struggle in the premier league who will he struggle against Brighton Burnley and Westbrom ?
Biggest injury of career if he goes perm at his age, Ronald On the other hand will become the best player in the league since he left
@@leegent615 Messi’s never had a major injury and he’s been faced by Pepe and Ramos nearly his entire career, 2 of the most aggressive defenders of all-time.
need more of those kind of debate shows in football america is doing a good job of covering their sports with their shows and its really entertaining
I think that a tiger is better than a lion
cant believe the whole panel save from slaven was team ronaldo
Messi won the CL in a team with Xavi and Iniesta. Two of the greatest midfielders ever. Ronaldo won it playing with Anderson.
I never get the argument people use that Ronaldo has gone to other countries and proved it. He's gone to best team in each of them!
Different play styles and different pace and different teammates
Real Madrid was most definitely not the best team in la liga in 09. He went there fully expecting not to win the league title for a few years
Well messi stays at the best team too for his whole Life so it’s fair to question that and give Ronaldo credit for ben the best in 3 different and difficult leagues in the world
Juventus was the only team that was the best at the time Ronaldo arrived, because 2003/2004 was Arsenal’s invincible year. 2009/2010 had arguably the best team ever assembled in Barcelona. So How exactly is he going to the best team in each league every time?
When Ronaldo left Old Trafford, United were on the peak, at that time utd were better team compared to Real Madrid
Ouch my man Ian has some style though
He won it also with Modric and Kross don't forget Papa Perez and Referee
History in the making in 2021! Cristiano Ronaldo the GOAT !
real ones who actually know football say Messi facts
What do you mean. How is that true. This video literally just showed evra, Keane and write saying Ronaldo is better. All who had great careers
Redmond Lee you’ll find that most people that say Ronaldo is better are either legends for the clubs he’s played for or players he’s played with a lot of mutual players and managers will mostly say messi is better than Ronaldo not all of them but the majority from mutuals is always in messi favour
Bullshit!! Ronaldo all day for me
Shane o halloran what makes you believe Ronaldo is better,
just for the sake of debate? I personally think Messi is better, and think most do too. He scores more goals and gets more assists per game and is a better dribbler. In big games he’s achieved as well, for which he’s often criticized, such as the 2009 cl final when he overshadowed Ronaldo.
Where the hell is the fact?
It's literally a opinion you Messi fangirl 😂
Both are great if not greatest... the debate on better is a question of preference and taste...
Playing for different clubs is not a measure of greatness. Each one has their own stories. Each of these are differently built athletically speaking.
Slaven Bilic is literally Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
The only sane person in the room?
I hate the argument that messi is better because he is natural but ronaldo is a training product. Ultimately they r both legends and 2 of the best players ever. Personally i prefer ronaldo. Partially its bias from watching him in the prem but also ronaldo has proven his ability everywhere hes gone. Champ at man u. Champ at real. Champ at juve. Champ with portugal. Messi has only done it at barca. If he leaves barca (which will probs happen in the next couple yrs) and still performs at his high level then maybe my opinion will be swayed
Ronaldo was never at Messi’s level for even 1 game. Messi, R9, Pele, Maradona are the GOATs because of how they play, not statistics. And Messi is the GOAT of GOATs.
Messi is the world's greatest footballer. Ronaldo is the world's greatest competitor.
Messi won a cup with the mls which Ronaldo never did Saudi league
Both great players. Sometimes I think Ronaldo is more effective than messi and for a minute I can sway towards him which shows how close it is, but the things I see messi do makes me think he’s the best player that’s ever lived
I think that if Messi would have the mentality of Cristiano he would be the best in history for centuries to come. I hope that Cristiano continue improving his skills to show to people that with hard work you can surpass those who even born with that talent.
Yes that true..
Why is Wright bringing up hormone injections hah
Because he did wanted to take nothing away from Messi. Meaning he also went out of his comfort zone heavily not only Ronaldo.
@@diekop6204 😂😅
Ronaldo once made a hormone... He didn't pay her... 😜
Because it happened. What other player is allowed to take peds (hgh)? Messi medicals are closed so for all we know he still takes them
@@RV103 it's a disease on his bones. My little brother had it and wasn't treated since the beginning like messi and one day he was screaming in pain on his joints he was hospitalized for 15 days taking the medication and shots continued to take the shots until he was out of his puberty cause that's when the disease is more dangerous. Is not some type of enhancements.
No question Messi is the better. No one in 50 years will be looking at form.
i love both, both are my idol, my inspiration and my motivation
This was before Ronaldo went onto win a treble Champions League too. Bet they would have been having a very different conversation after that achievement.
Now that it’s 7 months later n we’re seeing both play for teams that have teammates so shit. I’m acc appreciating both now they’re equal GOATs n were gona ofc have a favourite but both just are once in a lifetime players
Stats don’t lie. Messi is The Guy
Lol "stats don't lie" what an ignorant comment .. 🤣.. Messi fans are rely delusional
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!
I can’t believe these fools really think ronaldo is on messis level
I'm a rugby dude but Ronaldo all the way. I think the toughest question of all is who's the 3rd best player in the world.
Messi is the greatest dribbler of all time.
CR7 is one of the best at headers, finishing and getting on blind spot of defenders.
Both are great.
messi also one of the greatest finishers of all time. its more impressive for messi as he is not blessed with the height and build of ronaldo.
messi best in history and cr7 top 20
@@danielhucky307 because of his height , Messi has low center of gravity.
Because of low center of gravity it is easier for less taller players to dribble and move faster inside the box.
daniel hucky what separates them is international duty and Ronaldo is above him
@@manurazo4947 messi is the all time highest scorer for argentina. also the highest all time assists. won player of the world cup. we're talking about individual accomplishments. messi is well ahead of him.
see ppl who love ronaldo are fanboys of his image. everyone had a go at messi when liverpool came back last year. where was ronaldo when ajax beat them.
check all team mates stats for each of them. messi makes everyone better. ronaldo just takes goals from his team mates. look at benzema. having his best spell of his career without ronaldo
@@danielhucky307 Messi has 70 international goals in total out of this 34 are in friendlies.
Ronaldo has 99 international goals in total out of this 17 are in friendlies.
Check out below link for reference :-
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Cristiano_Ronaldo
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Lionel_Messi
ronaldo for me dun it in 3 diff leagues and for his country nothing phases him. not sure if messi cud handle tha
playing for real madrid, manchester and juve lol, gtfoh
@@karingahezron2454 after joining united he became one of united best players among that start studded team won a shitload of individual award in 2006 and ballon d'Or in 2008....when he joined real Madrid...real had 1 UCL in this century...now after he has left Real they have 5 UCL in this century...yes I agree he hasn't bin upto that level at Juve but he's 36 very few athletes have his body type and athleticism at that age put some respect on his name
Messi , i like Ronaldo too but, Messi for me
This is a forced debate trust me u can’t compare Ronaldo to messi. Messi is in his own league
Anyone who watches a full 90 minute match watching both knows that Messi is superior, come on fellas.
You don't speak for me
Hope this helps
Crazy to think Ronaldo fans base their arguments on him playing in other countries other than straight facts. If you look at the facts, messi is by far the more superior player. Easy debate!
So playing in different countries, teams, evironments, different mentalities, perspectives etc, and never under performing, isn't a straight fact for you?
Jeton Hoxha certainly not. If you’re classing playing in different countries as a fact to claim he’s better then that’s ludicrous. Facts are, goals and assist. And at that, messi is better. Plus winning ballon d’or is just a little something to think about too.
@@jack0511M if you say so
Messi best at dribbling feints and assisting. Ronaldo best at heading, finishing, big game player
@@noahlie3302 well for some people all you have to look at are goals and assists
you can see with messi , if he wanted to come to any other league he should have done it 6/7 years ago ...he is too slow for the epl , he does not have the legs for it , and , he would be crushed by other players >>>>>..
It’s only acceptable to say ronaldo has done it in 2 leagues. Serie A doesn’t count, juventus are the only team that ever wins it and ronaldo hasn’t even been that good there anyway.
What an idiot comment .. "seriaA doesn't count" .. you are as delusional like a snowflake.. 🤣.. that's your opinion boy ..
Messi messi messi
Ronaldo is incredible!! But for me its Messi. People who say Ronaldo either support United or have played with him. Ronaldo is the greatest goalscorer the game has ever seen.
Scoring important, title winning goals is way more important than scoring ‘banging solo efforts against Celta Vigo in a 5-1 win. Every year ronaldo has more trophies and more goals than messi despite playing for teams On a similar level. He has also proved in so many different places. Messi is not better but he is still amazing and the second best player of all time.
Peter Cillian Where has this misconception come from this it’s Ronaldo who turns up in the big games not Messi? If G B is right then you’ll be affiliated with United in some way and as a result you’ll definitely remember Messi scoring against Manchester United in both the Champions League finals. Messi is factually the better goalscorer than Ronaldo in every club competition they have both played in so you can’t act like he stat pads against Celta Vigo when Ronaldo did the same thing for 10 years.
@@petercraig4 Messi has more trophies than Ronaldo
Peter Cillian
Right so Man U champ final not important, countless real and atletico in la liga, extremely important games not important. Against Juve in 15, watch the game he was thr best player and essentially the reason they scored. He destroyed Boateng and neuer two top,top players in their positions but again sweep under the carpet. Last year he scored a insane free kick against Liverpool but Barca had a calamity when not only did others not step up at all but instead all back line fell asleep, R Madrid have had better midfielders and defenders and a unit better than Barca for many years.
sharky H Cristiano could have been playing with yeovil town but he still would have never ever let them lose a 3 goal lead. Levels bro😂 btw I literally support Ac Milan and have affiliations with man united what so ever
Deep down I know Messi is better in terms of different individual abilities but my GOAT will always be #CR7. Putting the same output with sheer hard work & never giving up attitude throughout his career. 🐐🐐
"They're both great" must be barred from every Ronaldo v Messi discussion. Getting nowhere
Getting nowhere comparing them anyway everyone’s trying to get somewhere with the debate the last 15 years 🤣 they’re incomparable 2 🐐s
But it is, in a way, the only sensible answer. People can bang on all they like, but a lot of these things will just come down to people's individual preferences in what they like most in players, and even that might change from time to time. There is no one greatest player. There's just brilliance of all different kinds and combinations. There's plenty we could take from Messi to make Ronaldo better, and vice-versa. But both are legitimate living legends of the game and paragons of footballing excellence.
The discussion itself should be barred
David Logan it’s a great and enjoyable debate I’ve had so many over the years. In my opinion Messi is better but I don’t think you can say one is greater than the other until they’re both retired. I’ve changed my mind so many times over the years on who’s better but I don’t really care I’m enjoying these two playing at the highest level still because we’ll all miss them when they’re gone. Save that debate for when they’ve both retired! Would be a lot more fun
Ronaldo beats people down the line and sideways, inside for the shot outside for the cross, good end product from both and also great inside the box. Messi will siglehandedly dismantle 2 banks of 4 when he feels like it, won't pull his weight when the goings tough. That is all
It's not a question. Not even close. Ronaldo is a FAR better player. The only one anywhere near Maradona.
CR7 for me all day long I don’t think Messi would have been very successful with 4 different teams.
WTF did he do at sporting lol
The best thing for Messi would be to go to man city and win the league and champions league. I think that will put him above Ronaldo
I respect both but c’mon messi is on another platform to everyone else!
But I’d love to see him under Pep for one more season
@@mohamedorayith4626 Ronaldo has won 3 different league titles. 5 champions leagues with 2 different teams. World player of the year in two different leagues. The European championships with Portugal. Argentina have had far better players but Messi has not won the copa America
I'd fear for Messi in the English Premier League.
@@James-st9uu Ronaldo hasn't won a treble tho
91 goals in a calendar year for messi
Messi. Its not even close.
It’s his job
Ronaldo for me. Great player, friendly with the fans. Messi needs to prove he can perform at other clubs besides Barca. Hope he goes to Man City or Juventus that will be great.
Ronaldo has everything , Messi doesn’t . World Cup performances , a major factor too.
Wright is wrong now
After watching the match vs Napoli
@ll ll Lyon 🤣😂🖕🖕
Here is the thing ... Messi played all his life for Barca ... its natural that his numbers are good coz he is an exceptional player ... CR7 has played for Sporting .. Man Utd .. its not easy to put up numbers there .. but he still has very good numbers ... moved to RM ... and while he was in spain not even a single player is above him during that time frame .. thats a fact! .. if he was playing for RM all his life ... makes u imagine wat kinda numbers he wud have! ..
Messi fans will comment assists ... but considering the pattern of how they both play thats natural .... yet CR7 has the 2nd most assists outta any player ... fact! ..
Messi fans again will say penalties .. perhaps a valid arguement ... but if penalties were that easy ... Messi would have won an international trophy. While playing for Argentina he still could .. no should win one atleast ...
Its natural why mayb 7/10 people would say messi ... understandable ... no issues ... for me he(CR7) has achieved more and had a better career ... also if it wasn't for covid19 he wud be even closer to the all time international goals record! Thats insane!
not facts. ronaldo scored (goal/assist) every 61.7' minute in laLiga and every 83.8' minute in CL
whilst messi scored every 60.5' minute in laLiga and every 76.4' minute in CL
messi also has a much better score in spanish cups
but ronaldo took about 65.8' minutes to score in CL during his time at RM
this INCLUDES penalties. i also believe ronaldo has a higher rate there.
scoring wise they are very similar, there's no doubt though, that messi is better on the pitch.
as you said, he most likely played more 3rd ball passes
@@dadadudududa5500 You obviously score more when you shoot more on goal. Ronaldo needs less shots to score, less free kicks to score and less passes to assist than Messi. Messi is about mass, Ronaldo about quality.
@@bowlchamps37 quoting a random headline here "Cristiano Ronaldo Takes Nearly Twice as Many Shots as Any Other Liga Player"
your last sentence shows that its a waste of time to discuss this topic with you anyway, also i dont really care whos better etc. bye