to get in ahead of the obvious accusations, no this isn't the same concept as conlang critic, and even if it was that wouldn't be a bad thing. looking forward to see how this concept will continue to be developed!
This did cross my mind, but I dont know enough about your series to even attempt to make such an accusation were I to wish to. Anyhow this is just viewer submissions of this specific community. It will be unique to the Artifexxian community and distinct from that of any other channel that were to do this. Also, this wouldn't be the first time conworlds/langs were showcased on Artifexxian.
I think considering how infrequently jan makes new CC episodes, even if this were a rip-off (which I don’t think it is), we would all be happy to get more content like it :)
Whoa. I wasn't really expecting you to showcase my world, I guess I should have more confidence in my work. Thank you Edgar, hope life gets less chaotic for you soon.
I just checked your wiki. Oh man. It's really good! I noticed the name for the empire, Corinthea. It is really similar to the name for a Queen from a Swedish RPG. Just thought it was a nice coincidence.
@@pachho808 something like _jan Atapesijan_ or _jan Atapekijan_ works better imo. getting the right number of syllables is more important than representing every sound. -also "t" isn't allowed to come before "i" for whatever reason-
name idea for the series: ReCon - recon, being short for reconnaissance, like you're giving us a preliminary report on these worlds/languages -compound of review + con(structed world/language)
RE tower game, challenge rules: The offending player will always get sent off for fowl play, regardless of the outcome, but the offended party is awarded a point if they *accept and win* the bout, then they are also sent off for having accepted. That way, accepting a challenge is a tactical decision on part of the offended party, if they need a point and think they can win the brawl, but is always an outright penalty for the offenders (who are probably just venting anyway).
Seraaron i can see a lot of world building in the implementation and origin of this rule. why was it added? is personal or team honor attached to the challenge? was it always part of the rules or was it added later? what does the existence of this rule say about the people who created it and play it? if other cultures play this game do they keep the rule? is this rule integral to the game or not?
I imagine the best players wear leather body armour so they can take beatings more. But that armour might slow them down from playing the game it's self.
Joe here, I'm not entirely sure if I want to award a point for winning a duel outright--besides boosting a lesser team's chances to win, the role of enforcer is mostly meant to ensure people aren't playing dirty when the refs aren't looking, so there is an element of honor in starting a fight. But this did get me thinking about the use of the tower goal for more special options. It could be that instead of being ejected for an entire half, the players are only ejected until the next goal a la hockey. However, if the next goal is a normal goal, only the offended party gets released, and the offending party is stuck in the penalty box until the goal after that, which would be awful for the offending team because of man advantage, so scoring on the tower (worth 2 points) would be way easier for the offended team. The offending team can get both players released at the same time by scoring on the tower.
You could even have a rule variant that occurs in "more civilized"/"less honorable" regions (take your pick of which perspective you are) where substitute brawlers may be used, each team permitted to employ three who do not play until such a challenge is accepted. Cultures which adopt this rule would be my re rules focused where those who do not would be more about personal honor. Some may even have overlap where players can use the rule but don't choose to because they don't want to be seen as weak.
@@sebastiansilverfox6912 I love this. There are definitely regional differences, as Tower as a "league" is more structured like Roman coliseum fights--that is, there isn't a central governing body like today's sports, just state funded arenas and a bunch of rich people with teams.
I suspect you might see this like mere "quick and easy, low effort filler", but I'm pretty sure this is something people actually really love. Especially nice for the patrons, to get to see their work reviewed, not like that Simon (in singing contests), but with some actual kind help. You learn more/easier from errors you make than from seeing things done right right-away. So, I hope that everything goes right in your life soon again, but I also hope this stays.
@@davidstaudinger1543 Joe here. It is entirely copy/pasted from enforcers. We can argue back and forth about the merits of the role in modern sports, but in an empire that's not terribly far removed from lethal gladatorial combat, it makes sense imo. Sports don't evolve in a vacuum.
I'm happy to see viewer submitted constructions appearing once more on Artifexxian as they once were. Im perfectly happy with this content, both for it's own sake as well as a transitional period in the channel. You could keep this series active once we return to regular programming as it's very good so far. I just hope that the reason for this transitional period is not something terrible happening to you or your kith and kin. Best wishes to you and them all. Best of luck and much love. Best Regards -R
"I'm not sure if I like the rule that if you start to fight that the game is pause and both players get ejected" Man, Edgar is not going to enjoy the NHL
That's a neat idea for a "placeholder" show that requires much less effort on your part and still provides us with neat conworlding examples and tips. I'm sure there's a clever pun involving constructed worlds and constructive criticism that could be made into a title, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
I’m dismayed because I found your videos about a week ago and have consumed them voraciously since. All of the world building and much of the conlanging. Now a few episodes into the podcast. I hope all is well and I look forward to your full time return! Absolutely fantastic content and I can tell from just a few episodes of the podcast that I would LOVE to gush about things I agree with you on and argue vehemently about things that I disagree with you! Best of luck!
Speaking of pronouns and gender - whilst researching pronouns for a conlang I am currently working on, I found that Chinese (which doesn't have a gender system) has introduced characters for male and female third person pronouns due to influence from European languages. However, the characters are all for the same word (tā) - so the pronouns are distinguished in _writing_ but not in _speech_ A few other East Asian languages also do this, like Korean. I thought that was really cool, since if you are writing something, there's no guarantee whoever is reading it will know who you are talking about. However, I'm not 100% sure if I will incorporate it into my conlang or not. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_pronoun#Other_languages
In case of Chinese it is not as cool as it sounds. It is very, very common in Chinese to have words that sound the same and have different meaning. This is a sole reason why Chinese haven't switched to pinyin. In fact one of the reason why Chinese have this seemingly same words in two different forms is this ambiguity problem. Like: shuo（说） - speak and shuohua（说话） - speak; xue（学）- learn and xuexi（学习）- learn. They add another word to make sure a listener can know what shuo or xue they are talking about.
In fact, the profoun for "it" (它) is actually pronounced the same as the other two (她和他, the first is the femal character and the second is the male one). Weird shit
The challenge rule seems like something that would be more of an emotional last-resort to settle disputes, which the abuse of to de-power a rival team would be 'poor sportsman ship', and probably not widely adopted.
When you finish with the conlang and atlas series could you start a new one talking about how to build societies and cultures e.g. political systems, economies, festivities and/or traditions and customs.
I certainly support the idea of fantasy governments more complex than “there’s a king lol”, though when writers stray too far from irl theory/practice they often create absurd governments that should have collapsed 20 times already. Ironically, Star Wars politics makes sense. The Empire, a brutal totalitarian dictatorship that blew up planets and killed its officers for failing to meet personal goals set by Vader, only lasted a couple decades. The Galactic Senate mostly settled trade disputes and established broad regulations, had no military, and gave equal representation to every planet. It lasted millennia and was destroyed by trying to fight a huge unpopular war.
This was super cool! Hope the personal things work out in your favor since I love the videos. Getting you to review my horrible attempts to world building climate and mountains... hmm - might be worth some money!
Hey Edgar! You probably don't remember me, but I've been really interested in toroidal planets for some time, especially after watching your video on them. I've created a subreddit to see if we can tackle any of the interesting questions that arise. If you'd like to send any people with a brain for math, physics, or just tinkering around at something that has no real-world application over to r/TheTorus, I'd be much obliged. Thank you very much!
Hi ! Japanese changes 1st person pronouns depending who is talking as a display of modesty, respect, or independance. Usual example is Watashi (I, if girl or in polite context) vs Boku (I, boy, or in thug context). It does go with a duality in the whole language (verbs have formal/informal conjugation). And that is noting that adjectives aren't male or female. So while it can be useful to keep pronouns simple, it may have a use to specify gender of a 1st/2nd person pronoun too, depending the more general feel of the language. I did hear the part where you said not to quote any and every language with gendered pronouns, but hey, I'm giving a practical argument, there ^^ It's not like I quoted Latin and its gender declining pronouns :p
Really fun to see Gaofedomi's pronouns looked at. Makes me proud of my work. A bit surprised you didn't look at the mind/body kinda volition system, but I understand as it's... weird. Note: due to their culture, the mentioning of gender would be really rare. I guess it wouldn't occur in more than 5-10% of the cases
Am I correct to assume that gender marked 2ndpp could be used to distinguish between differently gendered addressees, in a sort of "I want f-you to pick up m-you" kind of way? because that does sound like a useful linguistic technique, albeit one that has a fairly high likelyhood of disappearing
@@fuuryuuSKK could be used that way. Tbf, I did mostly have the 3rd person proniuns most in mind, but the system isn't exclusive to 3rd person... although, maybe in practicality
@@SotraEngine4 did you research any real languages for this idea? I know Hebrew has gender specific 2nd pp and Japanese has so many ways of saying "I", all with varying degrees on a sliding scale of masculinity/femininity.
@@joycelinlgbtq Japanese doesn't really have pronouns. Unlike proper pronouns, as he mentioned, which are needfully highly ambiguous, Japanese 'pronouns' are more like normal nouns. They don't have genders, as Japanese doesn't have grammatical gender, they have gendered speech. Most of the information in the conventional ones is social and varies by speaker's gender, age, class, and social context but practically any noun could be used in the same way as these so-called 'pronouns' those are just the conventionalised ones. Pronouns on the other hand are highly regular and depend on adjacent words rather than any of this.
@@skyworm8006 That seems like something of a technicality. It's still the best example I could find in a natlang that shows usage of gender differences in 1st person.
4:39 this (almost) rule exists in a video game. in "Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey" on nintendo 64, when two players are "fighting" to much on the puck, the game turns into a VS fighting game (with only fists) then both players are out.
I have a sport in my world called rover. It's played on a small field (probably somewhere roughly between 30 an 50 yards or meters, yards are slightly smaller if I remember correctly), each end being a goal. Each team has linesmen, exact numbers depend on how many people are playing, but there's usually at least 4 lineman per team. When there's more than 4 lineman per team they often line up with 3 on the line and the other 2 lined up directly behind them, pushing the first 3 forward. If there's 6 it would be 4 and 2, 7 would be 4 and 3, and so on. They essentially have a shoving match. Behind them are the backfieldiers, usually at least 3, who throw balls (4 or more depending on number of lineman, it's often the same number) at the opponent. If hit by a ball that player is out. The balls start lined up at mid field a lineman on either side, allowed only one hand on the ball until the game begins. They than attempt to snap it back to a backfielder. Once a player reaches their goal they are safe and count as a point scored. Backfielders can't go beyond their lineman. So lineman have to score first. Play ends when one team is either completely eliminated or all their remaining players have scored. This constitutes a round. There's traditionally 7 or 9 rounds per game with ties being decided by a sudden death round. Linemen can also eliminate players by pancaking or taking the opposing player to the ground. Catching a ball is allowed, the player who catches it is still alive but so is the player who threw it. And only backfielders can throw or handle the balls after the initial snap. So it's kind of like dodgeball and 🏉 or 🏈 (really wish I had a dodgeball emoji). The idea behind it's creation though is that it's training for military. The lineman represent heavy infantry lines in battle and the backfielders represent ranged units such as archers and javelin, um, throwers, I guess (if anyone is so kind as to read this far down and knows a better word please inform me). They also have things like relay races, chariot races (though they're pulled by pegasus not horses), individual races such as the shield race which involves running about 500 meters while wearing their military helmet and carrying a shield, and a sword dance competition, javelins throws, amongst others. They also have a kind of combined wrestling and boxing were you win by pinning your opponents shoulders to the ground. Punching is allowed but only while standing. Once someone is on the ground only grappling is allowed. These games are often performed during festivals where the winner wins great social fame and influence, a crown made of leaves, and sometimes even a prize like a gold wine bowl. Some of these festival competitions are exclusive to the 17 year old tuuyas, or boys in their first year of military training. Others are exclusive to the men, or even women, of a specific city, region, or tribe (there's 3 Lukdunnite tribes, the Daru, Raju, and Jatu) or even, though rarely, all of the Lukdunnites. In the larger festivals and amongst the tuuya, athletes are often housed and fed by the city or wealthy citizens. Sometimes they're even paid. At these festivals, which can last any where from a day to a week, there's also often usually singing and dancing competitions and plays. Ultimately, though, they're usually centered around gods, goddesses, and great heroes. As such sacrifice plays an important part. However this ensures the entire community gets to eat meat and drink wine. They establish and reestablish the bonds of community.
Have you ever heard of how the ancient Elamite language basically had person marking on nouns, where you could even attatch 1st and 2nd person affixes to nouns, like "king-I" or "king-you" (="I, a king", "you, a king").
My conlang has gender for first person pronouns, it's pretty much only used for when a person wants to implicitly state their gender in a situation where it wouldn't be known, so they don't have to preface what they are about to say with clunky constructions like "I'm a woman", and without providing any other identifying information -- my example, "I'm a woman", says more about the speaker than just their gender.
I kinda wanna submit my world/species/whatever I feel like submitting but everything is so unfinished and not further explained that it'd just be a waste of time to show rn. I might submit to a later episode if this carries out long enough. Good luck on whatever is going on in your personal life, we'll patiently await the more standard form of content until then.
Nah, even if it doesn't get shown you'll have spent time working on it and trying you make it presentable so it won't be a waste. Go for it, and who knows, maybe he'll really like something 👍
@@TheDcraft thanks for the positive message but I literally mean that he wouldn't be able to understand it yet. I have everything abbreviated and condensed, and it'd take a couple days to unpack everything and keep everything good at the rate I move. That's why I said maybe a later one, cause It's just not ready to show anyone not part of the work. + Finals for my summer semester are coming up and I don't need to worry about calculus and this at the same time
Going into the sport a little. Thats a genius method of balancing your team, if your too tanky your going to get hit a lot so many teams will probably consist of faster players that can get out of the way of some hits. Even if each team loses a player there's still balance.. I like it
As someone who is working on a world with 2 moons I really like that bit about ghosts. My 2 moons effect their planet in magical ways even to the point of some fruit trees changing colour of the fruit. The Jazill (People who evolved from plants) are most in tune to their moons. OH oh. Maybe the star player is designed to take those hits occupying the other teams players?
My world has 2 moons too! The Tokolans worship them as chaos-bringing dieties; father and son, and see the sun as the life-giving deity, alongside the water diety, and they are mother and daughter. It's sort of a yin-yang thing, which is basically their whole schtick. Balance is seen as the way to heaven in some older belief systems.
@@scptime1188 That's pretty cool. The Jazill and the Trolls are the only species who currently have culture based around the moons. I imagine other parts of the world just keep track of their orbits.
The biggest natural world effect of the dual moons for Entorais is very complex tidal patterns. However I intend to include other less obvious effects like changes to migratory patterns in birds or some such.
@@kairon156 Yeah. The secondary moon on Vosanus is quite alot smaller than the primary moon, so the lunisolar calendars used by the Tokolans (and the Besunese and the Roki) don't track it. The major belief system in the ancient times (no name yet) focuses on a sort of astrology/numerology thing. A type of pantheistic religion (no name for it either) evolved from this but the archaic view still survives today. There are a few other belief systems but those two are the main ones, both focus on the stars as windows to heaven. Personal deities and monotheism are suprisingly rare in modern times, but there are still quite alot of those types of belief systems around today. I love sharing worlds. I have two going on right now (this is my main world i am divulging here, i can elaborate on the other if you like).
Will there ever be a video discussing star clusters and how habitable worlds can form in them? I’m designing a star cluster 20 light years in diameter, five light years wide and contains about twenty stars, and contains fourteen habitable worlds (thanks to terraforming).
0:37 that's so cool, i had a similar idea of making the map shattered like this, but couldn't figure out a way to make it interesting like this welp, the idea is taken anyway hahahah
I think theirs a lot of value in pronoun gender markers in third person story retelling, but in a different sense. Gay fanfic writers would LOVE to be able to clearly communicate which "she" put whos hand where, but that would require some rethinking the system. Maybe this would be a good question for community interaction on how to accomplish that.
This is an awesome idea. I'm currently working on my own world and I would love to submit it sometime in the future! Whatever you need to do in your personal life - take your time. I'm sure it's important to you and we want you in good health both of mind and body. Don't stress yourself too much, mate! About the pronouns - my language, Polish, is crazy on those ones. Gender is very important in those since it marks the whole sentence and changes a lot in grammar. Check it if you're interested :D
*The Hanvirneic Flux* I would like to specifically focus on the ancient Soltheran Imperium. Views on the long-gone Imperium as of today are divided; with some praising it as a near-utopian state while others decry it as a soulless dictatorship. Disregarding the sentiments of people who live today, the Soltherans were just another empire; albeit with a far larger impact. It was ruled by a group of artificial intelligence and it also housed several different races of the planet of Irdnikht (the planet which Earth would contact in 2250, the premise of my planned book). They controlled all of Irdnikht and the planets in its star system, yet the AI's condition declined due to natural causes and millennia of contact with the elements eroded their intelligence and consequentially, the Empire declined as well. In the last days of Solthera, an interstellar horde known as the Flaming Ice landed on Irdnikht and immediately attacked their troops. In this war, Soltherans were outnumbered roughly 2:1 and were losing quite badly. They were pushed back to their main continent and as a last resort, used a magical superweapon known as the Saloq Gun which would connect with the feelings of its user and would only affect those which the user hated or feared. The Saloq gun would also rearrange magic crystals into a long line in the molecular scale, which makes it useful for necromancy. Other than that, this weapon has more unknown properties. After the Saloq was fired, the climate changed due to a drop in the axial tilt of the planet caused by the overflow of magic energy, and this same overflow caused an oscillation of weird magic particle thingies in the tropopause of Irdnikht. This would have caused a mass extinction if the Vicilistzians haven't landed on Irdnikht and did something resembling Noah's ark by taking 69420 pairs of each species and editing their genes to make them adapt to the new, shorter seasons caused by the magic particles. But most importantly, all of the Flaming Ice soldiers on Irdnikht were killed. Some say that the Flaming Ice is still plotting to take over Irdnikht. It is thought that there are 18 other Saloq guns on Irdnikht - all of them unfired.
The link he posted is hosted on patreon, but it's also publicly visible. He shared it with patrons first (in anticipation of this first video), but he's definitely allowing for submissions from anyone now.
I guess this is as good a place as any, soooo here I go: has anyone ever done a conlang that would be a result of evolving PIE or some PIE language (Latin/Greek/Tocharian etc) to be either triconsonantal or tonal?
4:30 maybe the rule encourages players to have an even spread of players. That they should get many good players instead of of many mediocre players and a few great ones.
Concerning the tower game, i think the rule is fine: a weak player could play far more offensively, while strong players would have to avoid such scenarios. Striking a good athlete in the face isn't that easy, achieving to do so would be a major part of the game, and stronger players would have to focus on not getting challenged. Also, a team of amateurs willingly getting knocked out by strong athletes to score points? These amateurs have guts! As we reach the end of an half, and depending on the scores, a fight becomes more and more likely: the strong one would be out for a few minutes, the weak one in an hospital. And maybe it enforces team-play: you can't win with just 1 strong guy, your team has to rely on multiple strong guys, and be able to play even without some of them. It's a very interesting idea in my opinion. Strategies that could be developed from this rule seem very rich.
Considering that you have 177000 subscribers interested in conlanging and worldbuilding, I hope you won't get overwhelmed by the submissions. I'm afraid I just contributed to that pile, I'm sorry. =D
I don't think this qualifies as a submission - more of a question on how to model this planet. If a planet is in a trailing Trojan co-orbit with a larger mini Neptune-like planet and that planets gravity (somehow) caused the planets tilt to constantly be pointed toward the large planet, but not tidally locked to it so it still has a day/night cycle - how would that affect the climate? How do I even model it? Theoretically that would be like the planet is permanently in a Spring/Fall position and one pole would be in a permanent longer day cycle and the other in a longer night cycle than the rest of the planet (with the day to night time percentage being different as you travel toward the poles). I'm having it have a relatively low tilt of less than 15° (I haven't decided yet). I'm **assuming** it would be a mostly temperature-stable environment with little to no seasonal swing except for where it is at apoapsis and periapsis in its orbit, but I'm not actually sure. Would it instead have temperature bands like a 0° planet because it's constantly in the same tilt position (relative to the star)? Do you know the math or program to model that? Would it affect wind/weather/water currents?
As far as the game teams would quickly adapt to the problem of their stars getting mugged by weaker teams. In the NHL, especially in the 80’s, teams would have at least one ,and oftentimes many, players whose only job was to “protect” their star players. Anyone trying to challenge or hurt a star player would first have to get these enforcers or “goons”. Anyone morbidly curious how far they would go should look up Marty McSorley. Along those lines, and at the same time, the NHL came up with the “Wayne Gretzky” rule. At the time players with penalties had to sit in the penalty box and weren’t allowed to be replaced. Wayne Gretzky’s team would purposefully get penalties with the other team, like fighting where both players are penalized. As a result, players would play 4 vs 4 or 3 vs 3 instead of the normal 5 vs 5. This made more room for him to score. The league had to change the rules so that penalties occurring at the same time, like fighting, could be replaced allowing them to play 5 vs 5 after coincidental penalties.
Oh and all you really need as far as pronouns go is. I(singular) You(singular) They(singular) They(plural) We(speaker+listener) We(speaker+non-listener). You don't even need gender at all. You could always use some sort of modifier if you wanted to be more specific. But those 6 pronouns as far as personal pronouns go, are enough. Other forms of pronouns, such as the Demonstrative, or Disjunctive or Relative or any other form of non-personal pronoun, only need a select few words.
What if the pronouns na, ni, ne had a split between thinking and not thinking? Instead of gender, they then have the body/mind dichotomy of the other pronouns
to get in ahead of the obvious accusations, no this isn't the same concept as conlang critic, and even if it was that wouldn't be a bad thing. looking forward to see how this concept will continue to be developed!
I suppose you think this is cute, but its actually a fraud.
A cute fraud
This did cross my mind, but I dont know enough about your series to even attempt to make such an accusation were I to wish to.
Anyhow this is just viewer submissions of this specific community. It will be unique to the Artifexxian community and distinct from that of any other channel that were to do this.
Also, this wouldn't be the first time conworlds/langs were showcased on Artifexxian.
I think considering how infrequently jan makes new CC episodes, even if this were a rip-off (which I don’t think it is), we would all be happy to get more content like it :)
@@rsmapping8539 well at least it's not Vötgil.
But you know what zese : I suppose that makes it English.
Funny then how 3 of the segments was about worldbuilding and one of the sections was about a specific part of a quite unknown conlang
Whoa. I wasn't really expecting you to showcase my world, I guess I should have more confidence in my work. Thank you Edgar, hope life gets less chaotic for you soon.
I just checked your wiki. Oh man. It's really good!
I noticed the name for the empire, Corinthea. It is really similar to the name for a Queen from a Swedish RPG. Just thought it was a nice coincidence.
Thanks.
I had the same feeling for Gaofedomi... I am kinda startstruck in a way
The fauna you made is really interesting. I’ve been on the fauna page pretty much binge reading the articles lol
how did you do that?
how did you start?
I would love to learn.
😀
The show that gets facts wrong about YOUR favorite world
I'm jan Alatisekian, and in this episode we'll be talking about a fractured isles, Rip-Rock Island.
@@pachho808 something like _jan Atapesijan_ or _jan Atapekijan_ works better imo. getting the right number of syllables is more important than representing every sound. -also "t" isn't allowed to come before "i" for whatever reason-
Why’s this sound familiar?
@@codekillerz5392 is this a woosh moment? or am i the one being wooshed
Another Emptiness
I am not whooshing anybody. Why does it sound familiar?
name idea for the series:
ReCon
- recon, being short for reconnaissance, like you're giving us a preliminary report on these worlds/languages
-compound of review + con(structed world/language)
I reckon that could work as a title.
Love this.
Use this Edgar!
😏 careful now
This episode of ReCon is sponsored by raycon.
Hehe
RE tower game, challenge rules: The offending player will always get sent off for fowl play, regardless of the outcome, but the offended party is awarded a point if they *accept and win* the bout, then they are also sent off for having accepted. That way, accepting a challenge is a tactical decision on part of the offended party, if they need a point and think they can win the brawl, but is always an outright penalty for the offenders (who are probably just venting anyway).
Seraaron i can see a lot of world building in the implementation and origin of this rule. why was it added? is personal or team honor attached to the challenge? was it always part of the rules or was it added later? what does the existence of this rule say about the people who created it and play it? if other cultures play this game do they keep the rule? is this rule integral to the game or not?
I imagine the best players wear leather body armour so they can take beatings more. But that armour might slow them down from playing the game it's self.
Joe here, I'm not entirely sure if I want to award a point for winning a duel outright--besides boosting a lesser team's chances to win, the role of enforcer is mostly meant to ensure people aren't playing dirty when the refs aren't looking, so there is an element of honor in starting a fight.
But this did get me thinking about the use of the tower goal for more special options. It could be that instead of being ejected for an entire half, the players are only ejected until the next goal a la hockey. However, if the next goal is a normal goal, only the offended party gets released, and the offending party is stuck in the penalty box until the goal after that, which would be awful for the offending team because of man advantage, so scoring on the tower (worth 2 points) would be way easier for the offended team. The offending team can get both players released at the same time by scoring on the tower.
You could even have a rule variant that occurs in "more civilized"/"less honorable" regions (take your pick of which perspective you are) where substitute brawlers may be used, each team permitted to employ three who do not play until such a challenge is accepted. Cultures which adopt this rule would be my re rules focused where those who do not would be more about personal honor. Some may even have overlap where players can use the rule but don't choose to because they don't want to be seen as weak.
@@sebastiansilverfox6912 I love this. There are definitely regional differences, as Tower as a "league" is more structured like Roman coliseum fights--that is, there isn't a central governing body like today's sports, just state funded arenas and a bunch of rich people with teams.
Whatever is happeing in your life, if it is good I am glad for you and if it is bad I am sorry for you, if it is neutral (such as moving) good luck!
Live to fly lmao
I think he'll probably explain in the next podcast episode when it comes out
I suspect you might see this like mere "quick and easy, low effort filler", but I'm pretty sure this is something people actually really love. Especially nice for the patrons, to get to see their work reviewed, not like that Simon (in singing contests), but with some actual kind help. You learn more/easier from errors you make than from seeing things done right right-away.
So, I hope that everything goes right in your life soon again, but I also hope this stays.
Watching somebody who doesn't know how hockey works invent the role of enforcer and talk about why its a problem make me happy
I was looking for someone to mention this... did no one realize that’s just already a thing in hockey?
@@davidstaudinger1543 Joe here. It is entirely copy/pasted from enforcers. We can argue back and forth about the merits of the role in modern sports, but in an empire that's not terribly far removed from lethal gladatorial combat, it makes sense imo. Sports don't evolve in a vacuum.
@@ch00beh The legend is here
I'm happy to see viewer submitted constructions appearing once more on Artifexxian as they once were.
Im perfectly happy with this content, both for it's own sake as well as a transitional period in the channel.
You could keep this series active once we return to regular programming as it's very good so far.
I just hope that the reason for this transitional period is not something terrible happening to you or your kith and kin.
Best wishes to you and them all.
Best of luck and much love.
Best Regards
-R
Sorry to hear that life has you preoccupied. Stay happy, healthy, and safe! Thanks for the review episode to carry us over a bit!
this is a really nice concept!! thanks for the vid, and good luck sorting out the irl stuff
Really enjoy your vids, Artifexian!! I hope you get all that stuff going on in your life sorted out!
5:46 That's an adaptation of "The Code" in ice hockey. Ninh Ly made a really good video about The Code not too long ago.
"I'm not sure if I like the rule that if you start to fight that the game is pause and both players get ejected"
Man, Edgar is not going to enjoy the NHL
Yeah but they just get put in the naughty box for a couple minutes
I love this! My favorite video of yours of all time is the color in world building video. So glad to see another series like it.
That's a neat idea for a "placeholder" show that requires much less effort on your part and still provides us with neat conworlding examples and tips.
I'm sure there's a clever pun involving constructed worlds and constructive criticism that could be made into a title, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
DominoPivot Con Crit? it’s often used as a shorted form of constructive criticism
Or just Constructive Criticism as a title. It already implies the pun, given the context of the channel.
Constructed Criticism
I propose to you the name: WaLRuS Thing
Where does the 'u' come from?
the u stands for uhhhhhhh
pluto dooto yeah sure let’s go with that
I’m dismayed because I found your videos about a week ago and have consumed them voraciously since. All of the world building and much of the conlanging. Now a few episodes into the podcast. I hope all is well and I look forward to your full time return! Absolutely fantastic content and I can tell from just a few episodes of the podcast that I would LOVE to gush about things I agree with you on and argue vehemently about things that I disagree with you!
Best of luck!
Yes! We need more conlang and conworld appreciation!
Speaking of pronouns and gender - whilst researching pronouns for a conlang I am currently working on, I found that Chinese (which doesn't have a gender system) has introduced characters for male and female third person pronouns due to influence from European languages. However, the characters are all for the same word (tā) - so the pronouns are distinguished in _writing_ but not in _speech_
A few other East Asian languages also do this, like Korean. I thought that was really cool, since if you are writing something, there's no guarantee whoever is reading it will know who you are talking about. However, I'm not 100% sure if I will incorporate it into my conlang or not.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_pronoun#Other_languages
In case of Chinese it is not as cool as it sounds. It is very, very common in Chinese to have words that sound the same and have different meaning. This is a sole reason why Chinese haven't switched to pinyin. In fact one of the reason why Chinese have this seemingly same words in two different forms is this ambiguity problem. Like: shuo（说） - speak and shuohua（说话） - speak; xue（学）- learn and xuexi（学习）- learn. They add another word to make sure a listener can know what shuo or xue they are talking about.
In fact, the profoun for "it" (它) is actually pronounced the same as the other two (她和他, the first is the femal character and the second is the male one). Weird shit
The challenge rule seems like something that would be more of an emotional last-resort to settle disputes, which the abuse of to de-power a rival team would be 'poor sportsman ship', and probably not widely adopted.
Love the hat and also for the double moon planet, I wonder what would be interpreted from births, deaths, and ilnesses during the moons' event.
Maybe this series could be called "Let's review or something simple along those lines"
this seems really fun and like a great way for artists to get their creative work out there--as well as connect with other creators!
When you finish with the conlang and atlas series could you start a new one talking about how to build societies and cultures e.g. political systems, economies, festivities and/or traditions and customs.
If you haven't yet, check out the channel Hello Future Me, which digs into some of that.
I certainly support the idea of fantasy governments more complex than “there’s a king lol”, though when writers stray too far from irl theory/practice they often create absurd governments that should have collapsed 20 times already.
Ironically, Star Wars politics makes sense. The Empire, a brutal totalitarian dictatorship that blew up planets and killed its officers for failing to meet personal goals set by Vader, only lasted a couple decades. The Galactic Senate mostly settled trade disputes and established broad regulations, had no military, and gave equal representation to every planet. It lasted millennia and was destroyed by trying to fight a huge unpopular war.
No worries, everyone has real life interruptions.
Great video. Good luck with whats mucking up your hands Mr. Dr. Artifexian
This was super cool! Hope the personal things work out in your favor since I love the videos. Getting you to review my horrible attempts to world building climate and mountains... hmm - might be worth some money!
love the format! keep them coming!
Hey Edgar! You probably don't remember me, but I've been really interested in toroidal planets for some time, especially after watching your video on them. I've created a subreddit to see if we can tackle any of the interesting questions that arise. If you'd like to send any people with a brain for math, physics, or just tinkering around at something that has no real-world application over to r/TheTorus, I'd be much obliged. Thank you very much!
Hi ! Japanese changes 1st person pronouns depending who is talking as a display of modesty, respect, or independance. Usual example is Watashi (I, if girl or in polite context) vs Boku (I, boy, or in thug context). It does go with a duality in the whole language (verbs have formal/informal conjugation). And that is noting that adjectives aren't male or female. So while it can be useful to keep pronouns simple, it may have a use to specify gender of a 1st/2nd person pronoun too, depending the more general feel of the language. I did hear the part where you said not to quote any and every language with gendered pronouns, but hey, I'm giving a practical argument, there ^^ It's not like I quoted Latin and its gender declining pronouns :p
Really fun to see Gaofedomi's pronouns looked at. Makes me proud of my work.
A bit surprised you didn't look at the mind/body kinda volition system, but I understand as it's... weird.
Note: due to their culture, the mentioning of gender would be really rare. I guess it wouldn't occur in more than 5-10% of the cases
Am I correct to assume that gender marked 2ndpp could be used to distinguish between differently gendered addressees, in a sort of "I want f-you to pick up m-you" kind of way? because that does sound like a useful linguistic technique, albeit one that has a fairly high likelyhood of disappearing
@@fuuryuuSKK could be used that way. Tbf, I did mostly have the 3rd person proniuns most in mind, but the system isn't exclusive to 3rd person... although, maybe in practicality
@@SotraEngine4 did you research any real languages for this idea? I know Hebrew has gender specific 2nd pp and Japanese has so many ways of saying "I", all with varying degrees on a sliding scale of masculinity/femininity.
@@joycelinlgbtq Japanese doesn't really have pronouns. Unlike proper pronouns, as he mentioned, which are needfully highly ambiguous, Japanese 'pronouns' are more like normal nouns. They don't have genders, as Japanese doesn't have grammatical gender, they have gendered speech. Most of the information in the conventional ones is social and varies by speaker's gender, age, class, and social context but practically any noun could be used in the same way as these so-called 'pronouns' those are just the conventionalised ones. Pronouns on the other hand are highly regular and depend on adjacent words rather than any of this.
@@skyworm8006 That seems like something of a technicality. It's still the best example I could find in a natlang that shows usage of gender differences in 1st person.
4:39 this (almost) rule exists in a video game. in "Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey" on nintendo 64, when two players are "fighting" to much on the puck, the game turns into a VS fighting game (with only fists) then both players are out.
Sounds cool!
I have a sport in my world called rover. It's played on a small field (probably somewhere roughly between 30 an 50 yards or meters, yards are slightly smaller if I remember correctly), each end being a goal. Each team has linesmen, exact numbers depend on how many people are playing, but there's usually at least 4 lineman per team. When there's more than 4 lineman per team they often line up with 3 on the line and the other 2 lined up directly behind them, pushing the first 3 forward. If there's 6 it would be 4 and 2, 7 would be 4 and 3, and so on.
They essentially have a shoving match. Behind them are the backfieldiers, usually at least 3, who throw balls (4 or more depending on number of lineman, it's often the same number) at the opponent. If hit by a ball that player is out. The balls start lined up at mid field a lineman on either side, allowed only one hand on the ball until the game begins. They than attempt to snap it back to a backfielder.
Once a player reaches their goal they are safe and count as a point scored. Backfielders can't go beyond their lineman. So lineman have to score first.
Play ends when one team is either completely eliminated or all their remaining players have scored.
This constitutes a round. There's traditionally 7 or 9 rounds per game with ties being decided by a sudden death round.
Linemen can also eliminate players by pancaking or taking the opposing player to the ground. Catching a ball is allowed, the player who catches it is still alive but so is the player who threw it. And only backfielders can throw or handle the balls after the initial snap.
So it's kind of like dodgeball and 🏉 or 🏈 (really wish I had a dodgeball emoji). The idea behind it's creation though is that it's training for military. The lineman represent heavy infantry lines in battle and the backfielders represent ranged units such as archers and javelin, um, throwers, I guess (if anyone is so kind as to read this far down and knows a better word please inform me).
They also have things like relay races, chariot races (though they're pulled by pegasus not horses), individual races such as the shield race which involves running about 500 meters while wearing their military helmet and carrying a shield, and a sword dance competition, javelins throws, amongst others. They also have a kind of combined wrestling and boxing were you win by pinning your opponents shoulders to the ground. Punching is allowed but only while standing. Once someone is on the ground only grappling is allowed. These games are often performed during festivals where the winner wins great social fame and influence, a crown made of leaves, and sometimes even a prize like a gold wine bowl.
Some of these festival competitions are exclusive to the 17 year old tuuyas, or boys in their first year of military training. Others are exclusive to the men, or even women, of a specific city, region, or tribe (there's 3 Lukdunnite tribes, the Daru, Raju, and Jatu) or even, though rarely, all of the Lukdunnites.
In the larger festivals and amongst the tuuya, athletes are often housed and fed by the city or wealthy citizens. Sometimes they're even paid.
At these festivals, which can last any where from a day to a week, there's also often usually singing and dancing competitions and plays. Ultimately, though, they're usually centered around gods, goddesses, and great heroes. As such sacrifice plays an important part. However this ensures the entire community gets to eat meat and drink wine. They establish and reestablish the bonds of community.
Definitely gonna submit at some point
Omg i really like this series
Good to see your face! Hang in there, friend.
Have you ever heard of how the ancient Elamite language basically had person marking on nouns, where you could even attatch 1st and 2nd person affixes to nouns, like "king-I" or "king-you" (="I, a king", "you, a king").
Oooh, hat! Rocking that look, Edgar!
On the Tower Challenge rule, the star player does not have to accept or retaliate. Hence the wording. This is a rule that rewards patient players
My conlang has gender for first person pronouns, it's pretty much only used for when a person wants to implicitly state their gender in a situation where it wouldn't be known, so they don't have to preface what they are about to say with clunky constructions like "I'm a woman", and without providing any other identifying information -- my example, "I'm a woman", says more about the speaker than just their gender.
wait Sebastian Romu? like, the guy from the random flora table?
The same.
Super excited for the pronouns video, it's one of the most fun parts of the language construction process for me.
How's it possible for a moon to be full and the other onr not?
Different orbital periods. They won't both be visible in the same part of the sky though, or the phases should match.
@@SebRomu yeah, my point exactly. Unless they have perpendicular orbitals which makes it too advanced for my tiny brain to comprehend
I kinda wanna submit my world/species/whatever I feel like submitting but everything is so unfinished and not further explained that it'd just be a waste of time to show rn. I might submit to a later episode if this carries out long enough.
Good luck on whatever is going on in your personal life, we'll patiently await the more standard form of content until then.
Nah, even if it doesn't get shown you'll have spent time working on it and trying you make it presentable so it won't be a waste. Go for it, and who knows, maybe he'll really like something 👍
@@TheDcraft thanks for the positive message but I literally mean that he wouldn't be able to understand it yet. I have everything abbreviated and condensed, and it'd take a couple days to unpack everything and keep everything good at the rate I move. That's why I said maybe a later one, cause It's just not ready to show anyone not part of the work.
+ Finals for my summer semester are coming up and I don't need to worry about calculus and this at the same time
Going into the sport a little. Thats a genius method of balancing your team, if your too tanky your going to get hit a lot so many teams will probably consist of faster players that can get out of the way of some hits. Even if each team loses a player there's still balance.. I like it
Good luck with whatevers going on in your life
Finally tying the knot with The Captain, eh?
Hope your thing works out soon mate!
Love these
I LOVE THIS STUFF!!!
I support this series, very interesting idea, perhaps you could review some interesting real languages and cultures as well
Perhaps submission to this show will motivate me enough to do get some more work done on my conlangs haha
As someone who is working on a world with 2 moons I really like that bit about ghosts.
My 2 moons effect their planet in magical ways even to the point of some fruit trees changing colour of the fruit. The Jazill (People who evolved from plants) are most in tune to their moons.
OH oh. Maybe the star player is designed to take those hits occupying the other teams players?
My world has 2 moons too! The Tokolans worship them as chaos-bringing dieties; father and son, and see the sun as the life-giving deity, alongside the water diety, and they are mother and daughter. It's sort of a yin-yang thing, which is basically their whole schtick. Balance is seen as the way to heaven in some older belief systems.
@@scptime1188 That's pretty cool. The Jazill and the Trolls are the only species who currently have culture based around the moons. I imagine other parts of the world just keep track of their orbits.
The biggest natural world effect of the dual moons for Entorais is very complex tidal patterns. However I intend to include other less obvious effects like changes to migratory patterns in birds or some such.
@@scptime1188 The two moons factor into multiple religions on Entorais, and also feature heavily in various cultures folklore.
@@kairon156 Yeah. The secondary moon on Vosanus is quite alot smaller than the primary moon, so the lunisolar calendars used by the Tokolans (and the Besunese and the Roki) don't track it. The major belief system in the ancient times (no name yet) focuses on a sort of astrology/numerology thing. A type of pantheistic religion (no name for it either) evolved from this but the archaic view still survives today. There are a few other belief systems but those two are the main ones, both focus on the stars as windows to heaven. Personal deities and monotheism are suprisingly rare in modern times, but there are still quite alot of those types of belief systems around today.
I love sharing worlds. I have two going on right now (this is my main world i am divulging here, i can elaborate on the other if you like).
The fighting rule is just hockey fighting, but punished for a half rather than 5 minutes
Will there ever be a video discussing star clusters and how habitable worlds can form in them? I’m designing a star cluster 20 light years in diameter, five light years wide and contains about twenty stars, and contains fourteen habitable worlds (thanks to terraforming).
I don't think I'll ever be able to understand how conlangs work which sucks ☹ It goes right over my head
Cheer up
Neither do I
I just practice, follow my gut feeling and pretends
~S Rasmussen
@@SotraEngine4 I legitimately can't create any though 😞
@Artifexian What is the least amount of oxygen you can have in a breathable atmosphere?
Sorry to hear about your issues. Also, FIRST!
Brunneis I POSTED 1 SECOND AFTER
@@zecondplace Victory is mine!
0:37 that's so cool, i had a similar idea of making the map shattered like this, but couldn't figure out a way to make it interesting like this
welp, the idea is taken anyway hahahah
Oh yeah that is exiting thing
Rip-Rock Island intrigues me. Where are the explorers coming from? How do they relate to the land? Are any descendants of the inhabitants?
I think theirs a lot of value in pronoun gender markers in third person story retelling, but in a different sense. Gay fanfic writers would LOVE to be able to clearly communicate which "she" put whos hand where, but that would require some rethinking the system. Maybe this would be a good question for community interaction on how to accomplish that.
This is an awesome idea. I'm currently working on my own world and I would love to submit it sometime in the future!
Whatever you need to do in your personal life - take your time. I'm sure it's important to you and we want you in good health both of mind and body. Don't stress yourself too much, mate!
About the pronouns - my language, Polish, is crazy on those ones. Gender is very important in those since it marks the whole sentence and changes a lot in grammar. Check it if you're interested :D
*The Hanvirneic Flux*
I would like to specifically focus on the ancient Soltheran Imperium. Views on the long-gone Imperium as of today are divided; with some praising it as a near-utopian state while others decry it as a soulless dictatorship. Disregarding the sentiments of people who live today, the Soltherans were just another empire; albeit with a far larger impact. It was ruled by a group of artificial intelligence and it also housed several different races of the planet of Irdnikht (the planet which Earth would contact in 2250, the premise of my planned book). They controlled all of Irdnikht and the planets in its star system, yet the AI's condition declined due to natural causes and millennia of contact with the elements eroded their intelligence and consequentially, the Empire declined as well.
In the last days of Solthera, an interstellar horde known as the Flaming Ice landed on Irdnikht and immediately attacked their troops. In this war, Soltherans were outnumbered roughly 2:1 and were losing quite badly. They were pushed back to their main continent and as a last resort, used a magical superweapon known as the Saloq Gun which would connect with the feelings of its user and would only affect those which the user hated or feared. The Saloq gun would also rearrange magic crystals into a long line in the molecular scale, which makes it useful for necromancy. Other than that, this weapon has more unknown properties. After the Saloq was fired, the climate changed due to a drop in the axial tilt of the planet caused by the overflow of magic energy, and this same overflow caused an oscillation of weird magic particle thingies in the tropopause of Irdnikht. This would have caused a mass extinction if the Vicilistzians haven't landed on Irdnikht and did something resembling Noah's ark by taking 69420 pairs of each species and editing their genes to make them adapt to the new, shorter seasons caused by the magic particles. But most importantly, all of the Flaming Ice soldiers on Irdnikht were killed. Some say that the Flaming Ice is still plotting to take over Irdnikht. It is thought that there are 18 other Saloq guns on Irdnikht - all of them unfired.
Do only patrons get to do this or are the rules for submission just happened to be posted on your patreon?
The link he posted is hosted on patreon, but it's also publicly visible. He shared it with patrons first (in anticipation of this first video), but he's definitely allowing for submissions from anyone now.
I guess this is as good a place as any, soooo here I go:
has anyone ever done a conlang that would be a result of evolving PIE or some PIE language (Latin/Greek/Tocharian etc) to be either triconsonantal or tonal?
So, a language that could realistically exist in Europe or the middle east?
@@averagecommunist3456 don't know what you mean by "realistically", I just wanted to know if anyone tried to morph PIE roots into triconsonantal roots
Interesting...
4:30 maybe the rule encourages players to have an even spread of players. That they should get many good players instead of of many mediocre players and a few great ones.
Make a version in oa but with subtitles
Concerning the tower game, i think the rule is fine:
a weak player could play far more offensively, while strong players would have to avoid such scenarios. Striking a good athlete in the face isn't that easy, achieving to do so would be a major part of the game, and stronger players would have to focus on not getting challenged.
Also, a team of amateurs willingly getting knocked out by strong athletes to score points? These amateurs have guts! As we reach the end of an half, and depending on the scores, a fight becomes more and more likely: the strong one would be out for a few minutes, the weak one in an hospital.
And maybe it enforces team-play: you can't win with just 1 strong guy, your team has to rely on multiple strong guys, and be able to play even without some of them.
It's a very interesting idea in my opinion. Strategies that could be developed from this rule seem very rich.
Cool inspirations
Are there any languages with a clusivity distinction in both 1st and 2nd person pronouns?
I don't know if there is a reason for distinguishing clusivity in 2nd person, 2nd person excluding the listener is 3rd person, no?
@@joaopedrolang what I meant was does the 2nd person pronoun include the 3rd person or not?
Get Biblaridion to submit the Refugium
your worldbuilding videos are awesome, hope everything is OK with you
Edgar, what advice do you have for making a conlang intentionally obtuse?
Is the podcast going to continue?
Call it "A little bit of every world." and abbreviate to Elbow
ALBOEW?
Might need to rethink your spelling.
@@somegeezer it was auto correct, but it was so fun I let it
imagine being stalked by the ghosts of the living
You went so long without a conlang video that I didn't get notified...
Thank god, my chance to show my fictional country
I'm pretty sure that in Semitic languages gender is marked on all pronouns, including first and second persons. Cf. Hebrew ani/anah, at/atah, etc
Considering that you have 177000 subscribers interested in conlanging and worldbuilding, I hope you won't get overwhelmed by the submissions. I'm afraid I just contributed to that pile, I'm sorry. =D
I don't think this qualifies as a submission - more of a question on how to model this planet.
If a planet is in a trailing Trojan co-orbit with a larger mini Neptune-like planet and that planets gravity (somehow) caused the planets tilt to constantly be pointed toward the large planet, but not tidally locked to it so it still has a day/night cycle - how would that affect the climate? How do I even model it?
Theoretically that would be like the planet is permanently in a Spring/Fall position and one pole would be in a permanent longer day cycle and the other in a longer night cycle than the rest of the planet (with the day to night time percentage being different as you travel toward the poles).
I'm having it have a relatively low tilt of less than 15° (I haven't decided yet).
I'm **assuming** it would be a mostly temperature-stable environment with little to no seasonal swing except for where it is at apoapsis and periapsis in its orbit, but I'm not actually sure. Would it instead have temperature bands like a 0° planet because it's constantly in the same tilt position (relative to the star)?
Do you know the math or program to model that? Would it affect wind/weather/water currents?
I think the Chinese creation myth with the turtle and the magic dirt pile are kinda similar to the first.
What's the word for "review" in Oa?
Use that as the name of the series.
Are submissions open to anyone, or just patrons?
I think everyone would love a collaboration with jan Misali
For some reason I can’t sign in to patreon
UGH i want to send in my world or draw for ppl but i neither have money for patreon or a twitter to dm people. oh well!
You can submit at Artifexian's email! Link in the desc.
For art, i guess you could go on the r/worldbuilding subreddit and submit sone art.
in the description you wrote "if you are an artists"
World / Lang Review Showcase --- WLRS --- CAN WE CALL THIS SHOW WALRUS?
Why is the thumbnail...
a shattered map of Bulgaria?
Am I the only one who thought of a London boroughs map when looking at the thumbnail?
As far as the game teams would quickly adapt to the problem of their stars getting mugged by weaker teams. In the NHL, especially in the 80’s, teams would have at least one ,and oftentimes many, players whose only job was to “protect” their star players. Anyone trying to challenge or hurt a star player would first have to get these enforcers or “goons”. Anyone morbidly curious how far they would go should look up Marty McSorley.
Along those lines, and at the same time, the NHL came up with the “Wayne Gretzky” rule. At the time players with penalties had to sit in the penalty box and weren’t allowed to be replaced. Wayne Gretzky’s team would purposefully get penalties with the other team, like fighting where both players are penalized. As a result, players would play 4 vs 4 or 3 vs 3 instead of the normal 5 vs 5. This made more room for him to score. The league had to change the rules so that penalties occurring at the same time, like fighting, could be replaced allowing them to play 5 vs 5 after coincidental penalties.
Oh and all you really need as far as pronouns go is. I(singular) You(singular) They(singular) They(plural) We(speaker+listener) We(speaker+non-listener).
You don't even need gender at all. You could always use some sort of modifier if you wanted to be more specific. But those 6 pronouns as far as personal pronouns go, are enough.
Other forms of pronouns, such as the Demonstrative, or Disjunctive or Relative or any other form of non-personal pronoun, only need a select few words.
To me it seems the challange mode doesn't nerf stronger teams, it nerfs unbalanced teams. Like, you're only as strong as your weakedt link
Part of me hopes S. Rasmussen is my cuz.
Om det är du, hojta till.
Hva er en cuz?
World/Lang Review Showcase?
What if the pronouns na, ni, ne had a split between thinking and not thinking? Instead of gender, they then have the body/mind dichotomy of the other pronouns
na, ni, ne are in practice rarely used, though, and they are pronoun prefixes, so the pronoun they prefix should provide that sense of split
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