For even better results, add the molasses to the water at 60 degrees Celsius and then add the EM concentrate at 38 degrees Celsius. Keep at 32-37 degrees, like you said, for seven days. The idea is to refrain from pouring cold water when the EM has already been added.
hi, I bought EM1 some 10 years ago with the kit to make my own. worked well for a year and the kit burned out. since then, I bought a 90l blue barrel with a tap, put it on bricks in my garage and fill it up with water, EM1 and molasses. it's doing all right for the past nine years. I take the quantity I need from the tap, and once in a while, I top up with water and molasses. no heat, no special kit. it works fine and I've got all the EM1 I need for my garden, my house and my animals, cats, dogs and poultry. hope this will help.
We wouldn't recommend doing this as activating EM only grows out certain microbes so if you grow it out over and over again you will end up with a mono-cultured brew and not one with the diversity we would want from EM
@@effectivemicroorganismsnz7906 hi, well, for the past 10 years, I have been doing it like this and encountered no problems. my animals and my garden are doing fine, i use it for my compost also without any problems. I know there's a big business behind all that, because if a lot of people do that and stop buying EM1, that's a big loss for your business, seeing the price of the little bottles. sorry mate, but as long as it works for me, I don't see why I would need to change.
@@gillessellier1451 If it works for you then by all means keep doing it. I am not saying that what you grow will not work but that after repeated expansion it ceases to be EM and just becomes a single species Bacteria brew, as the other microbes don't expand on molasses. It is not based on big business but rather on microbiology.
Effective Microorganisms NZ what you’re saying specifically is that eventually LABS will be the only remaining culture, correct? Is there a way to expand all cultures? Or is molasses the only way to grow it (1 time)?
Lactic Acid Bacteria: Bifidobacterium animalis, B. bifidum, B. longum, Lactobacillus acidophilus, L. casei, L. delbrueckii subsp bulgaricus, L. fermentum, L. plantarum, Lactococcus lactis subsp lactis, Streptococcus thermophilus Yeast and other: Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Bacillus subtilis Phototrophic Bacteria: Rhodopseudomonas palustris and R. sphaeroides This is EM1 - all of them eat sugar.
Thank you so much for this educational video i have a question though if you have to use within 2 months could you after say 1.5 months take maybe a 1 cup sample from that batch and start a fresh jar with molasses and just keep repeating the process indefinitely not having to buy more of the EM1 concentrate?
Lol, if he told you that then he'd never sell his product. IMO activated EM1 can last up to 6 months, maybe more. As long as it doesn't smell foul, it's still good to use. It just might not have as many living microbials present as it did in it's prime. Discard EM1 when the pH drops below 2.7, it's basically vinegar at that point. You can keep expanding to new batches like you said but it will eventually throw off the patented bacteria ratio, in theory making it less effective..
After watching and reading some comments, I have so many questions. The temperature stated in the video is Celsius, right? when you put the bottle in the chilly bin, you didn't not mention if it was turned all the way closed or just a little, please clarify. And is EM and EM1 the same thing???
Hey, not OP, but I've got good experiences with the product. Temps are in Celcius, so 30° is what You are looking for. Don't screw the lid tightly when in the box with the heater, but do it when you finish and it's at ROOM TEMP. Not before. EM1 is the mother solutions. They call the activated one 'EMA'. Inthink EM is the general name.
do it with a light-bulb. water creates additional troubles, evaporation etc. plus the aquarium heater is hotter so one side of the bottle is overheated and the "back" is normal. An old fashioned light-bulb will do better ;)
Seed starting heat mats work great also, especially if you have the thermostat attachment. You can stick the heat mat right in the cooler or any container really. Ps. I wrapped the mat around the bottle without the thermostat attached and it got up to 100° F. As far as I know that's slightly too high so be careful doing that without the thermostat.
Good video but want to make sure you say Celsius temperature. EM-1 will apparently last 6 mos after opening but this formula will last 2 mos or so max, correct?
The expanded em1 can also last up to six months under the right conditions. Remove from incubator and store it at room temperature as soon as the pH drops to about 3.4 to make it last longer.
so that it can be stored, how to deactivate (put to sleep) the microbes that live the liquid media, because all this time if I put it in a plastic bottle the bottle cap always explodes, even the bottle can break when tightly closed
Make sure you store it at a cool room temperature and not somewhere warm and it will slow the bacterial activity and give it a longer shelf life. Try to store the container with as little air in it as possible. The best way I have found is to use a plastic bottle and leave a couple inches of space at the top, you can then squeeze the bottle to make level with the top and then put the lid on. That way if gas builds up, you have a some time before too much pressure breaks the bottle.
hi can you keep some of that incubated EM1 to keep making more lots, in order to not have to buy more EM1 just like when you make your own bread? thanks
We wouldn't recommend doing this as activating EM only grows out certain microbes so if you grow it out over and over again you will end up with a mono-cultured brew and not one with the diversity we would want from EM
Paul Daly do you need to uncap for it for a short second every day to avoid excess pressure/possible explosion? Or do you keep it sealed for the full week?
in india we routinely use drip irrigation so if i have to give through drip irrigation for one hectare of land what is the dosage required to be mixed along with bore water through venturi also for foliar spray of banana and sugarcane what is the dosage you advice and timing of foliar spray
Mineral is best. Distilled is fine. RO is fine. If city fed, 48 hour gas off and adding lemon juice will relieve chlorine and effectively let the ammonia tied to it (chloramine residual) out.
I never understood that, and frankly think it's a bit of an answer due to the commercial interest of keep selling you the goods.. From a biological point of view, why not? You are just multiplying the lacto bacteria, no?
@@wojomojo from a biological point of view, you'll be feeding only one strain of microorganism. So you'll end with only one mo doing the job. Not bad, but you'll get better results with the whole thing.
@@aherrns1894 Thanks for the comment. I was assuming that the batch once made will consist of all of the strains and therefore they all will self propagate forward, no?
You get more bang for your buck by "expanding" them, ( aka as activating ) These organisms are alive, but because they are in a bottle with limited food source ( carbohydrates ) they basically get lazy, dormant. this is why you want to expand them, because it gets them actively reproducing. by putting some in water, and adding molasses ( food source ) they multiply. meaning that original bottle of EM, will go much further in your garden. I do something similar to water Kefir grains, ( pro-biotic for humans ) but these bacteria form colonies, as "grains" and can be scooped out and used over and over again, can live for centuries in theory.
I am only starting with the original EM this week. I have about 70ha of bananas and previously used a product called mosblend. Worked very well but got expensive. Going to EM needs some adjustments but i think it would be worth it. Need to cut my chemical fertilizers because it seems to be killing the soil and i need to put more and more every year for same results.Thank you very much for your reply.
Wow sounds like a great project, be patient, as it will take time to transition from a commercial type system to biological. you will need to have organic matter in the soil for the microbes to munch on. this may take some time to get worked down into the lower levels of the soil, the good thing though is that bananas have shallow roots ( relative to big trees ). Also you might want to look into mychoryzae also. they have simbiotic relationship with the roots, and scavenge for nutrients in the soil, making whatever fertilizer ( organic or not ) more efficient. bacteria, and fungi, a good team. one last thing, if you are not already using it, fulvic and humic acid, they help the soil release ( ionic transfer ) minerals that the plant needs, and makes it readily available to the plants. again saving on resources. Humic/fulvic acid is cheap, a little goes a long way. the fungi is best to inoculate when planting, certain strains work better for certain crops, so you may want to research for Banana, I am more familiar with Mango. www.academicjournals.org/journal/JABSD/article-full-text-pdf/858BB231517
Thanx again for grreeat advice. We did use fulvic acid for 3 months. Smells like coffee. I am definitely going too research fungi also. I just mixed my 3rd 1000ltr tank. I worry about the first one. I think air is getting in. Am afraid to open it and maybe spoil it
5% molasses, stir with hot water
90% cold water
5% em
1 week 30degree storage
3.5-5ph, turn brownish from black indicates working
Muhammad Ferris thanks bud
Nope. pH 5 to 3.5
I love the tech. With my EM-1 properly expanded, I’m ready for my season. Thank you from Canada 🇨🇦
For even better results, add the molasses to the water at 60 degrees Celsius and then add the EM concentrate at 38 degrees Celsius. Keep at 32-37 degrees, like you said, for seven days. The idea is to refrain from pouring cold water when the EM has already been added.
hi, I bought EM1 some 10 years ago with the kit to make my own. worked well for a year and the kit burned out. since then, I bought a 90l blue barrel with a tap, put it on bricks in my garage and fill it up with water, EM1 and molasses. it's doing all right for the past nine years. I take the quantity I need from the tap, and once in a while, I top up with water and molasses.
no heat, no special kit. it works fine and I've got all the EM1 I need for my garden, my house and my animals, cats, dogs and poultry.
hope this will help.
We wouldn't recommend doing this as activating EM only grows out certain microbes so if you grow it out over and over again you will end up with a mono-cultured brew and not one with the diversity we would want from EM
@@effectivemicroorganismsnz7906 hi,
well, for the past 10 years, I have been doing it like this and encountered no problems. my animals and my garden are doing fine, i use it for my compost also without any problems. I know there's a big business behind all that, because if a lot of people do that and stop buying EM1, that's a big loss for your business, seeing the price of the little bottles.
sorry mate, but as long as it works for me, I don't see why I would need to change.
@@gillessellier1451 If it works for you then by all means keep doing it. I am not saying that what you grow will not work but that after repeated expansion it ceases to be EM and just becomes a single species Bacteria brew, as the other microbes don't expand on molasses. It is not based on big business but rather on microbiology.
Effective Microorganisms NZ what you’re saying specifically is that eventually LABS will be the only remaining culture, correct? Is there a way to expand all cultures? Or is molasses the only way to grow it (1 time)?
Lactic Acid Bacteria: Bifidobacterium animalis, B. bifidum, B. longum, Lactobacillus acidophilus, L. casei, L. delbrueckii subsp bulgaricus, L. fermentum, L. plantarum, Lactococcus lactis subsp lactis, Streptococcus thermophilus
Yeast and other: Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Bacillus subtilis
Phototrophic Bacteria: Rhodopseudomonas palustris and R. sphaeroides
This is EM1 - all of them eat sugar.
Excellent information. Thank you Brother!.
Thank you so much for this educational video i have a question though if you have to use within 2 months could you after say 1.5 months take maybe a 1 cup sample from that batch and start a fresh jar with molasses and just keep repeating the process indefinitely not having to buy more of the EM1 concentrate?
Lol, if he told you that then he'd never sell his product. IMO activated EM1 can last up to 6 months, maybe more. As long as it doesn't smell foul, it's still good to use. It just might not have as many living microbials present as it did in it's prime. Discard EM1 when the pH drops below 2.7, it's basically vinegar at that point. You can keep expanding to new batches like you said but it will eventually throw off the patented bacteria ratio, in theory making it less effective..
kinda like farming mushrooms
After watching and reading some comments, I have so many questions. The temperature stated in the video is Celsius, right? when you put the bottle in the chilly bin, you didn't not mention if it was turned all the way closed or just a little, please clarify. And is EM and EM1 the same thing???
Hey, not OP, but I've got good experiences with the product. Temps are in Celcius, so 30° is what You are looking for. Don't screw the lid tightly when in the box with the heater, but do it when you finish and it's at ROOM TEMP. Not before.
EM1 is the mother solutions. They call the activated one 'EMA'. Inthink EM is the general name.
Thanks for information. After process of expand EM have a liquid with the same concentration them original EM concentraded?
I also wondered as if it's not what's the point of expanding it I had wanted to use the same ratio as the original em
do it with a light-bulb. water creates additional troubles, evaporation etc. plus the aquarium heater is hotter so one side of the bottle is overheated and the "back" is normal. An old fashioned light-bulb will do better ;)
Seed starting heat mats work great also, especially if you have the thermostat attachment. You can stick the heat mat right in the cooler or any container really.
Ps. I wrapped the mat around the bottle without the thermostat attached and it got up to 100° F. As far as I know that's slightly too high so be careful doing that without the thermostat.
Good video but want to make sure you say Celsius temperature. EM-1 will apparently last 6 mos after opening but this formula will last 2 mos or so max, correct?
The expanded em1 can also last up to six months under the right conditions. Remove from incubator and store it at room temperature as soon as the pH drops to about 3.4 to make it last longer.
so that it can be stored, how to deactivate (put to sleep) the microbes that live the liquid media, because all this time if I put it in a plastic bottle the bottle cap always explodes, even the bottle can break when tightly closed
I think you have to remove the gas which decreases after a week of fermentation and than put the lid on..
Make sure you store it at a cool room temperature and not somewhere warm and it will slow the bacterial activity and give it a longer shelf life. Try to store the container with as little air in it as possible. The best way I have found is to use a plastic bottle and leave a couple inches of space at the top, you can then squeeze the bottle to make level with the top and then put the lid on. That way if gas builds up, you have a some time before too much pressure breaks the bottle.
@@JeagerTv will storing the original em1 concentrate in the fridge destroy the bacteria? Or will it help store it longer?
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can I put em solution to rice bran to preserve for more months?
how to use the EM after the 7 days ? do i need to dilute it or use it direct on the garden?
Yes always dilute EM. Usually we would recommend diluting EM with water at 1/100
can't you use any type of sugar to preserve the solution?
can you expand ones more with molasses and water?
hi can you keep some of that incubated EM1 to keep making more lots, in order to not have to buy more EM1 just like when you make your own bread? thanks
2quick4 u you can definitely keep it going
We wouldn't recommend doing this as activating EM only grows out certain microbes so if you grow it out over and over again you will end up with a mono-cultured brew and not one with the diversity we would want from EM
If I live in a tropical climate, will it work without putting in the heated chilly?
Yes
Can this be used for cleaning or will it be sticky ?
Yes as it is diluted a lot. I do.
how do you use it? Do you dilute it further? because 3.5 ph seems too acidic
You're supposed to dilute it with water at around a 1/100 ratio.
do you leave the lid opened or closed while its incubating?
The lid should be sealed as we want an anaerobic process ie excluding oxygen
Thank you!
Paul Daly do you need to uncap for it for a short second every day to avoid excess pressure/possible explosion? Or do you keep it sealed for the full week?
Is this EM-1 can we use for bioflok system of fish farming?
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Why mine the ph is between 3-4 but it still has the molasses smell
Bunun için bir demastrasyon çalışmanız varmı arazide görsel olarak.
will storing the original em1 concentrate in the fridge destroy the bacteria? Or will it help store it longer?
put it in the fridge it will help store it longer, put it in the freezer it will help store it for few years
Will that be a one liter EM???
in india we routinely use drip irrigation so if i have to give through drip irrigation for one hectare of land what is the dosage required to be mixed along with bore water through venturi also for foliar spray of banana and sugarcane what is the dosage you advice and timing of foliar spray
Use at 1-2% of water volume and time with periods of plant stress eg growth stages, climate etc
Should you use distilled water? What if you have chlorinated water, or water with chloramine?
Mineral is best. Distilled is fine. RO is fine. If city fed, 48 hour gas off and adding lemon juice will relieve chlorine and effectively let the ammonia tied to it (chloramine residual) out.
I was under the impression that chloramine could only be removed by reverse osmosis
Once you have made EM ready to use, can you then use that to make another batch?
no
I never understood that, and frankly think it's a bit of an answer due to the commercial interest of keep selling you the goods.. From a biological point of view, why not? You are just multiplying the lacto bacteria, no?
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@@wojomojo from a biological point of view, you'll be feeding only one strain of microorganism. So you'll end with only one mo doing the job. Not bad, but you'll get better results with the whole thing.
@@aherrns1894 Thanks for the comment. I was assuming that the batch once made will consist of all of the strains and therefore they all will self propagate forward, no?
if i want to use the em1 as it is without waiting 7 days,what would the mixture be like and would i need to wait for it to activate
You get more bang for your buck by "expanding" them, ( aka as activating ) These organisms are alive, but because they are in a bottle with limited food source ( carbohydrates ) they basically get lazy, dormant. this is why you want to expand them, because it gets them actively reproducing. by putting some in water, and adding molasses ( food source ) they multiply. meaning that original bottle of EM, will go much further in your garden.
I do something similar to water Kefir grains, ( pro-biotic for humans ) but these bacteria form colonies, as "grains" and can be scooped out and used over and over again, can live for centuries in theory.
I am only starting with the original EM this week. I have about 70ha of bananas and previously used a product called mosblend. Worked very well but got expensive. Going to EM needs some adjustments but i think it would be worth it. Need to cut my chemical fertilizers because it seems to be killing the soil and i need to put more and more every year for same results.Thank you very much for your reply.
Wow sounds like a great project, be patient, as it will take time to transition from a commercial type system to biological. you will need to have organic matter in the soil for the microbes to munch on. this may take some time to get worked down into the lower levels of the soil, the good thing though is that bananas have shallow roots ( relative to big trees ).
Also you might want to look into mychoryzae also. they have simbiotic relationship with the roots, and scavenge for nutrients in the soil, making whatever fertilizer ( organic or not ) more efficient. bacteria, and fungi, a good team.
one last thing, if you are not already using it, fulvic and humic acid, they help the soil release ( ionic transfer ) minerals that the plant needs, and makes it readily available to the plants. again saving on resources. Humic/fulvic acid is cheap, a little goes a long way. the fungi is best to inoculate when planting, certain strains work better for certain crops, so you may want to research for Banana, I am more familiar with Mango.
www.academicjournals.org/journal/JABSD/article-full-text-pdf/858BB231517
Thanx again for grreeat advice. We did use fulvic acid for 3 months. Smells like coffee. I am definitely going too research fungi also. I just mixed my 3rd 1000ltr tank. I worry about the first one. I think air is getting in. Am afraid to open it and maybe spoil it
thank you again for link also :)
50ml EM 50 ML Molasses, how much water hot water and cold or water altogether?
Farhana NYC 1litre
if you wanna make 2 litters or 4 litters of expended-activated em do you simply use twice the amount or how does it work? thank you
Use the ratio of 5% EM, 5% Molasses and 90% water to work out how much of each you need.
5:44, I didnt hear what you said
"same as EM-1 application rates"
no metal to mix!
they are living organisms so it will boil and a cap closed on a bottle is not a good idea