it’s weird that people are still using that meme. I thought it was a meme because of how obviously false the allegations were and because dream looked like a goober.
This. I don’t find him cringe because I don’t watch him, don’t know what he’s all about, but no matter what his actual content is I find it absolutely insane that people thought or still think it is funny to joke about the allegations… Absolute madness.
The disturbing part about the George situation is you could tell people were legitimately disappointed when Caiti's story started to fall apart and she was shown to be a liar. These people would rather have someone actually get assaulted than admit they got it wrong
They dont even want her to be correct, they just wanna hear what they've been waiting for, that is for the downfall of George. Actual assaulters are laughing at this situation, everyone is looking at the wrong place, when there are those SA victims that are in need of assistance to move on.
@@9KingP im an sa VICTIM and im laughing at it, we Really need strict legal punishments for false claims so shit like this doesnt happen, and if it Does, the accuser is justly punished
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way..c.
I don't care how much you hate certain people, don't make up false allegations that could ruin their life. My least favorite part is that those people won't even get punished.
People that make false accusations like these deserve harsh prison sentences tbh. I swear that they think they can get away with them just because nothing bad happens to people that make false accusations while the person being accused has their whole life ruined over a lie
probably didnt even hated him. Just thought she could somehow gain something from this. And she probably could have if her story actually made any sense at all, which is probably the scariest part about this. Like for example if she went up to his room with him, and then just said "sorry actually I will go back to my room and sleep." Coulda probably made up some assault story in the elevator and whatnot. Of course all of that wasnt the case since she likely was massively interested in him back then given she kept flirting with him for at least another month. She probably started feeling like she didnt want it once she wasnt interested in George any more. By that logic I would have commited constant SA to all of my ex partners. But thats not how consent works. You can just pretend you didnt consent because you regret it in hindsight. Like imagine if I could take back the consent for all the stupid things I have bought on the internet. I'd be a rich man. Or maybe I just decided that I actually never wanted to life in a 800€ appartment in the city but would have prefered a 400€ one where I had to commute a little longer. My landlord better give me that rent back right? lol
The audacity of Caiti lamenting that no one would take her seriously if she tried to file a report, when women like her are the very reason true victims get ignored, is absolutely mind-boggling
You know the reason most those cases don't make it anywhere is BECAUSE they lack evidence and/or are provably false allegations? So yea, it's literally because of her. But the data she is talking about is highly skewed data, becsuse someone CLAIMING to be an SA victim is all it takes to be counted as one of the ones that "didn't make it to trial" More specifically the study she is getting that data from completely ignored the reasons why they didn't go any where, and the data is practically useless.
As a veteran drunken party animal, I can indeed confirm once you're hanging out with a bunch of people drinking, it's assumed that everyone is at least 21.
Right especially in a public place, a house party be leary but a small group in a hotel I'd assume we're all 21+ not that age is the issue here she was 18 and a half.
Especially since she showed up drunk- if she’d had showed up sober, not aware they’d drink, and then had them pushed on her, sure. But if someone is bold enough to walk around and show up places drunk, I assume they were able to get that way of their own accord and weren’t afraid of getting caught being drunk underage. Or at least, I can’t be sure she isn’t, idk where she got drunk. Wild story.
@@JEAGERlST Didn't say I was. I was a shitty father and used all that partying as a way to keep from confronting my shitty marriage. I spent 6 months sober, focused on being a dad, took the time to see if my marriage was worth saving (wasn't) and at the end of that 6 months I took my son back home and moved in with my parents. Since then I've averaged maybe 10 drinks a year. Haven't had more than 2 drinks at a time in over 13 years. Keep the snark to yourself.
What sucks for George is the fact he's still losing subscribers, and he lost brand deals over these allegations; I've never been a fan of the Dream SMP, Dream, or George, but this guy didn't deserve to have his public reputation dragged through the mud like this. Also the blatant lying from Caitibugzz is insane, I feel like she saw the support Shubble was getting when she called out Wilbur and wanted to emulate that for herself. Even though no assault or abuse took place. I think she wanted attention.
I mean lets be honest. If they started uploading regular content again they would be gaining subs or at the very least have way more views and thus income again. They probably made so much in their lifetime already, they literally dont have have to care. They are enjoying their life and if they want to make a youtube project again they will. Apparently they have been working on a lot of stuff, but who knows. If I would be making like a million every year just from interest alone, I'd be less motivated to make a video even if it earns me a couple thousand bucks. Same story for George as well Like you can tell even for those who had no drama they really toned down on content because honestly they made so much and probably got tired of minecraft at well at some point. Like Skeppy, Badboyhalo, tommyinnit and so on. I think its just natural you lose subs from this. And honestly you dont want brainwashed ultra wokies who think reversing the burdong of proof or law of public opinion would be a good idea as subs anyway. The further away these people are from anything you do, the better.
What's funny is it was likely to get subscribers, Shubble herself was gloating about her subscriber count going up to 1mil after all her own false allegations (false until proven with evidence, words mean jack shit these days.) Also cool seeing you around here zman.
What I always find interesting is the motive and psychology behind these false allegations and cancellation attempts. Is it a desperate cry for attention? Is she being persuaded by a malicious friend into spinning these false narratives to the point she deludes herself to reality? Is she bored of the monotony in her conflict-free life and so has to go out and create controversy? Really have to wonder what compels these kinds of "TikTok girls" into committing such heinous acts. I think at some point genuine engagement with reality and the consequences of your actions in the real world just breaks down when you've centered your entire identity around online clout and content chasing like these girls probably very well have. I suppose nowadays, if you garner massive support in your attempt to smear the name of a large content creator, there's major financial incentive at stake.
@@EvanUnknown Consenting adults tho either way. Do we need to talk about the age difference of many high political figures to their spouses? Cause 8 years is just laughable in their sphere.
It started with dream smp being seen as cringe so now these 17 year olds that were 13 in 2020 now are showing their self hatred over them being cringe by destroying all of their lives
I WAS JUST THINKING THIS !! like supposedly a room with a few people she knew and a few she just met??? why would she outright state to them that shes a virgin
Ngl she the way she acted in the final response video is so cartoony, the gestures, the eyebrows, the lip movements, the looking at the corner of the screen, there’s just something off lmfaooo
Her remarks about the reporters asking her questions about the whole ordeal definitely comes off as she's pissed that people didn't just straight up believe her
The most pathetic thing about all of this is that the people who preached the narrative of George being a rapist, latched on to the sexism allegations after being proved wrong. That’s not forgetting the fact that everyone basically forgot about what happened with Wilbur because of the false allegations towards George.
tbf she IS underage in the US for drinking, which just means . . . she shouldntve been drinking! and if she was, she shouldve been more responsible about it
@@madsfiedler3884I love how not one single person is taking issue with the fact her 21+ friends are the one who brought a minor (in the eyes of drinking not age) to a party to drink and then left her by herself lol.
The difference between you taking her seriously and treating her like a liar is about 6 months. Like if she were 17 her accusations would suddenly be taken far more seriously because of law.
I might be wrong in this but as a woman, when both parties had something to drink and the lady leans into and cuddles into the touches of a guy, its not the guys fault to continue said touches. Verbal consent doesnt have to be given, when physically visible consent is obvious. Like when you kiss your husband and it gets frisky, yall dont ask either, you just do it cause its obvious that that is wanted. "She didnt give verbal consent to be touched" well i am about 100.000% sure George didnt give VERBAL consent to be cuddled with either. Cause thats stupid. They were already cuddling and both drunk, neither asked for consent verbally. Just cause you regret something you did while drunk AFTER the fact it happened, you cant come out and accuse someone of something so horrible just to validate your regret.
I totally agree with you here. Romantic relationship development is just what happens, you don't ask for every move. You can, but generally you just make a move, see the reaction, and either stop or continue. She didn't show any discomfort as stated by almost all of people present there and herself, so that's a normal response for George to slowly make more moves. People saying that you have to ask consent for everything are just different breed. I can't imagine them having a healthy loving relationship. I definitely wouldn't want to be asked all the time if they can hold my hand, touch my hair, touch my face, hug me or whatever. If I dislike something, I can say it or show it non-verbally. No need to sign a document each time you want to hug me.
Hey, not a woman here, but yes, you're in the right. But for some reason they wanna point out everyone was drunk, but somehow forget that that also means that George also couldn't have consented by their logic. What I also keep thinking is, imagine you've been cuddling with a guy for about an hour and THEN he asks "mind if I touch?" I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure I've heard a lot of women say it's offputting if a guy asks if they can kiss them, so I'd assume it applies here too. Glad to see people that actually have some damn sense.
@@nashbickford9894as an HR worker, yeah, good policy. The shit I've seen in office politics is unbelievable if I hadn't been the one filing the paperwork.
these girls somehow twisted the concept of sideration and influence that happen to some real victims and use it as a trump card to avoid any accountability
@@loczek25853 this video hasn’t even been out for weeks lmao. but no, i can promise you it was the first thing that came to my mind. it’s not that deep tho…your comment is just ridiculous
@@6hostii it's amazing that you've taken it literally and then taken the time to explain it lol as useless and dumb as your first response to be honest.
This might be true, but what seems more likely that’s happening is allegations such as Caitie’s are what’s educating Gen Alpha as to what sexual assault and rape to be, and what seems far more likely (to me at least) of what the result’s gonna be is going to be a huge spike in AI gfs/bfs and ppl psyching themselves into being asexual and “aromantic”.
Oh, they're also the first ones on the "believe all victims" and "false allegations aren't a real issue" bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, they are issues. But you're making them worse and you have absolutely no right to complain. Ever. Again.
@@TimSlee1there is a reason why 18 is the cut off. 26 is lame asf to hit on 18 year olds but there is a reason why it’s not just arbitrary and there’s a legal cut off. I’m not hanging out with 18 year olds lmao but I’ve seen people so chronically online they act like a 4 year age gap is a CRIME lmao. 22-18 is literally a freshman in college not highschool and a senior people need to get off the internet and go outside lmao.
The most infuriating part is the lack of defense George had against his own situation of false allegations. He ended up apologizing to someone falsely accusing him of SA, which sets an atrocious precedent.
He never had to apologize, he made it seem like he actually did something bad. And it's their fault for bending their knees the second anyone posts a video about them.
I feel like George was second guessing himself and just felt bad. Keep in mind, situations like these are how people get gaslit. Once you have been gaslit hard enough, you might believe pretty much anything anyone says and question what really happened. As someone who has been gaslit HARD over things a LOT in my life, I can tell you just how real that is.
And you have stupid people saying “HE ADMITTED IT!!!! THAT MEANS HE’S GUILTY!!!!” Like bro people can admit to things that they didn’t do so 1. They can get people off there backs or 2. Being gaslit into thinking you did something bad. The man didn’t even admit fully to what he did he said “I am so sorry for what I done to you and I didn’t mean to hurt you if I did”
As an actual victim of SA, this is fucking disgusting. How do you go so public with a bunch of lies, not have solid proof, get mad at people for questioning you, and then put out the message that victims are never going to be heard?? Like, what?? I'm so sorry for everyone who has actually gone through SA or worse. You are heard , good people will believe you
These girls somehow twisted the concept of sideration and influence that happen to some real victims and use it as a trump card to avoid any accountability, ego damages and to get what they want, that's so vicious. In my country we had a great youtuber that many fangirls wanted to have a taste of, he dated some of them, but they were so pissed about being ****ed then ghosted one after another that they gathered together to accuse him of abuse because of his statut and twisting some messages to accuse him of forcing them, all above 18yo btw. The messages were just him telling each girls that he'll more or less stop talking to them if they don't go further with him. And they accepted. It can be considered a jerky move but imagine a girl saying that to her pretendants, nobody would bats an eye, those criticizing her would be accused of sexism and slut shaming, and her exes would be accused of harrassing her... He got his reputation destroyed and had to stop his carrier even though he and some other creators made convincing debunking videos.
@@CowToesWhat if you are both 17 but one is a month older, does that person suddenly become a pedophile when he/she turns 18? Blindly applying an arbitrary number is stupid, everything is nuanced.
@@zDToddy In the US it depends on state law. Where I live there is some leniency in that situation. There's a legal term for it that escapes me at the moment.
I really need to applaud you Turkey, cuddling with Wendigoon and stopping only because Wendi is reserving himself for marriage. What a beautiful relationship.
Let’s talk about those so called “friends” like Aimsey, Maxggs, Sneegsnag, Coy Piso, Snifferish, and BoomerNA. Never reached out for his side despite interacting with him and his friends.
I hate cancel culture. A pretty woman cries out on twitter to the public that she's been assaulted, and everyone believes her blindly. Engagement farming is wild.
Yep. I was "being an adult" at 15. So was the other boys and girls my age. Sure we might have some regrets but they were our mistakes to make. We were never "victims".
right! like amber heard. now when i hear a woman say she was raped i just roll my eyes and go "oh here we go again with the bullshit!" i watched a girl at a bar get choked unconscious and then have a pool stick stuck up her puss and asshole a whole bunch. bloody mess. but when she got up and tried to start crying i was happy to see the room tell her to stfu and quit trying to act like she didnt want it. like the others i refused to call anybody to let her tell her lies. you get what you get.
And yet. Reddit took Katie’s side 100% and anyone saying she wasn’t sexually assaulted or was wrong is banned and called a sexist incel Who’s the real sexist, though, Redditors?
I guarantee theyre still saying the same thing right now and i have never even checked any of those subreddits before. Reddit is just Twitter lite at this point just with most of them being some form of antisocial
She tries to play the victim card, gets caught, doubles down on it and still fails at being the good guy in this is amazing.....these people are the reason REAL sexual assault allegations aren't taken seriously
I know this is a popular opinion, but I don't think it's true. I think it's actually allowing a much needed correction to occur. It sucks that these guys are suffering false allegations, but people should be extremely skeptical of allegations that are carried out in this fashion. Anyone that attempts to hold court on social media in order to levy SA allegations should have their motives scrutinized immediately. At the end of the day, anyone who uses social media to levy allegations, is doing it because they want to socially ostracize the person they are accusing. It sucks that it came to this, but it shouldn't take this many false allegations for ppl to stop reflexively believing these stories without any evidence or genuine corroboration. If women do want to come forward using social media, they should plan on substantiating those claims. Real predators will still be exposed if accusers provide receipts. Just look at Vince McMahon. And even that Slick guy that tried rubbing up on some chick that was passed out. People will still believe actual victims... but scrutinizing these claims is the only way to discourage ppl like Caiti. Thats my 2 cents anyway
@@RustCole01 I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said. I’m just saying it’s kind of hard to prove sexual assault in the first place. When a person is getting sexually assaulted, their first instinct isn’t to grab their phone and start filming. And have proof. Ridiculous
I'm definitely someone who believes that people who make false sexual assault allegations need to face criminal repercussions. Too many innocent lives have been destroyed simply because the accused were found guilty in the court of public opinion. These manipulative liars damage the credibility of everyone.
That's what really busts my nuts. There are a lot of reasons why I don't talk about my own assault outside of therapy, and this shouldn't be one, but it is.
The "being 18-years-old" as a device to infantalize and absolve oneself of responsibility and to unfalsify all the feelings statements and fact claims being made is the most aggravating aspect of this whole thing. So she wants the protection given to the innocence of a child while also having the liberty of a full-grown adult beyond her age to put herself in adult situations and to engage in underage drinking at the same time. That's the ultimate having your cake and eating it too.
didnt she also endanger and incriminate herself by participating in underage drinking? AND didnt she also endanger the unknowing adults at the function?
"He didn't even know my age-" Yeah, maybe seeing you were intoxicated led him to think you were at least 21 considering that is the legal drinking age in all of America and has been since 1984. As someone who HAS been assaulted, Catie can get bent. You weren't assaulted, you had an awkward encounter caused by a misunderstanding due to your own actions. Grow up.
@@iiBenihime18 - but it depended on the state. In 1984 the federal government began withholding infrastructure funds from states that had the legal drinking age below 21. Basically all states changed their laws because they wanted that cash cash lol
@@iiBenihime 1984 is when America had a National legal age of drinking. Before that it was dependent on the states to decide so California may have had a different drinking age to New York, etc.
Seriously. I was raped by a stranger when I was 17 and seeing this girl whine and cry about how she would never be the same because a guy tickled her under her shirt at a party, especially after I had already learned that there was a flirty vibe among the two the entire time... I was like no. If you're 18 going into a party with adults and you do something or get into a situation you don't like, it's ok to feel regretful and even upset about it. But that does not mean you get to go online and paint them as a sexual predator and yourself as the brave yet weepy victim.
its insane to me that an 18 year old in a completely consensual setting is being called a victim because she regrets her decision to be with george that night and i dont even like george
During my teenagehood i was accused of abuse and SA twice; once by a random girl who was stalking me, showing up to my council block trying to get me to hang out with her, and if i was not home she would go around the neighbourhood asking random kids where i was (long story...), then a year or so later her boyfriend (WHOM SHE WAS DATING AT THE TIME TOO) tried beefing with me because I apparently assaulted said girl... long story short he realised she was crazy and made it all up and became extremely friendly and apologetic towards me for years to come (i dont blame him, he was a teenager in his first relationship, i would probably believe her too if i was him). Then it was an ex girlfriend who was suuuper abusive towards me (nothing physical but threats of suicide, calling me useless or pathetic in front of our friends, purposefully saying very hurtful things or ignoring me because "it made her believe i actually loved her" (because seeing it did hurt me made her believe i did love her, because if i wasnt hurt it would mean i didnt care about her and loosing her... i guess? and so on). Then i finally broke up with her after about a year of a relationship... only for her to tell all of our friends I was the one doing all the abuse; she literally listed things she has done to me, claiming i did them to her. The issue with that was... she was talking to people WHO WERE THERE WITNESSING HER ABUSE, and many times tried convincing me to run away from her. But there were some people (well... lets be honesg here, it was all men simping for her, not a woman in sight as they saw through her bullshit immediately) who either werent in the group back then or didnt care as they wanted to date her, "believing" her and excluding me from like half of all social events, parties etc of my friends group (which i later left altogether). But anyways, im not trying to say that "hurr all whemen lie and eat hot chip" or whatever; its my fault for dating such girls to begin with (well okay, the first girl i didnt even know when she started stalking me, but the 2nd one was on me). I just felt like sharing my own story. I do believe that false accusation brought to court should be punished whilst they're seemingly ignored completely, but only if lying is actually provable - vut this is very hard to prove, which could lead to people being sentenced for "false" accusations that were not fake at all, but lack of proof could lead people to believe it was made up. Its a slippery slope.
No, it is not your fault for being abused by a psycho. The fact that, as a man, my guilt is presumed is the reason why don't even get into relationships to begin with. If the chance of being in an abusive relationship was the only risk, it would be bad enough but it would be manageable, but being piled on by everyone around me and even blamed for it is not something i want to deal with in my life. Besides, i've been alone for most of my life, it used to bother me when i was younger,. now, i'm finally comfortably numb.
I feel like Americans really infantilise young women (18+), which is what causes situations like George’s. Her main point is that she was “freshly 18”, when that has no bearing on the situation at all. She’s acting like that makes him a paedo, but she was literally a legal adult. She chose to drink illegally, and chose to be there. I’ve been assaulted myself and I hate to victim blame, but she’s contradicted herself multiple times. She never once said no, and she apparently reciprocated. He’s not a mind reader, he had no way of knowing that she didn’t want to hook up.
I think it’s a pendulum swing from how far the opposite it was back in the 90’s and 2000’s. It wasn’t uncommon for teens to be sexualized in movies and shows back then. Hell, I think there’s a clip of Ashton Kutcher on Punk’d talking about the Olsen Twins where he says “everyone’s waiting for them to turn 18”, and jokes/attitudes like that were pretty common back then. But now it’s swinging to the opposite extreme.
People like Caiti try to weaponize the “Me Too” movement, and their slogan to “believe ALL women” for their own benefit. It shuts down any inquiry around the topic lest you be socially shamed. There needs to be a new “Me Too” movement against false accusers, because this is getting out of control. Everyone loses. Especially real victims. And people like Caiti suffer no consequences for trying to destroy someone’s life. After the 24 hour news cycle people will forget and move on. That’s probably why she privated her socials. It’s far easier for a female streamer to bounce back from controversy than it is for men.
Well its not Americans lol. Its people terminally online, you see how the whole drama is based on off clout chasers + twitter users? I bet you if u talk to any random person on the street, most of them will say 18 is legal full stop. I feel like that's what happens when you take drama too seriously, you equate online opinions as real life opinions, the truth is that people always online(twitter/4chan/redditors) will end up having really weird out of touch opinions/thinking so that they can join a group and feel strong together and jump on someone/something to vent their frustrations. It can be about age/race/religion/political/games/music/science, anything can and will be twisted and to fit their narratives and the only real way to stop is to not engage with such people, honestly all the videos/talks about such things also doesn't help, you can see how some random twitter post with like 10 likes and 100 views can get reacted by someone and get like millions of views on youtube/tiktok/instagram, so it ends up having this effect where people say the dumbest shit to feel seen and heard.
EXACTLY. I've been saying this since thing situation happened, and I only saw people defending her, and shutting on me. I also hate victim blaming but here, this is not that. She chose all of this and ever give any indication that she doesn't want it. She propably has no life experience, and doesn't understand that verbal consent is mostly not a thing, it called reading the room
This girl cares so much about her age when it comes to sex, but doesn't care at all when it comes to consuming alcohol. Have some moral consistency please. Also, if people want to continue to infantalize themselves at 18, maybe it's time we raise the legal age for everything on them and see how they like it.
Her friends should be the ones under scrutiny for bringing and helping an 18 year old get access to a 21+ event just so she can drink and then leaving her alone at a party.
@@ArreyuhYeah, no kidding. Like, I'll admit I'm incredibly paranoid, but I almost suspect that her friends were HOPING something would happen at that party. Like, it could have been their actual goal to get a big creator in trouble by creating a situation where someone in their "friend" group became a victim of SA, then use that to boost their group's name. Regardless, these people are awful no matter what the truth is. Because either these friends of hers are a bunch of irresponsible a-holes who accidentally brought her into and left her in a position were she could have been genuinely assaulted, then they all tried to profit on it later. Or alternatively, they did it all on purpose from the start to boost their careers. She needs new friends, unless it was intentional and she was in on it, in which case she deserves to have such a terrible friend group.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince honestly I wouldn’t even doubt that theory, how do you bring an 18 year old female friend to party and then leave her by herself with a bunch of random dudes. Even if they weren’t going to assault her how are you not gonna make sure she gets to her room safe. Truly sickening that these are people with platforms even if they’re small.
Yes, the whole age thing really annoys me. He didn't know her age, but even if he did, she was still 18, nothing illegal happened. There are hundreds of 18 year old girls making porn videos every week with older men, and nobody seems to care. Yet this dude touched her stomach, and everyone is supposed to all act like it's some horrendous event. She's an adult now, she doesn't get to turn that off and on whenever she likes because she's "freshly 18". I feel bad for this generation of kids. It's freaking wild out there. People are just waiting to pounce and call you a sexual predator.
im not trying to defend anyone but that is just a dumb comparison. something being "illegal" doesn't always mean it's "immoral". especially considering drinking at age 18 is completely normal behavior.
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way..c.
i mean like. my first sexual experience is my biggest regret, and it left me traumatized and sexually repulsed ever since. but it wasn't the guys fault. i thought i was ready but i wasn't. that's not rape, that's a mistake on my part. i totally feel for cati, as being touched and regretting it afterward is one of the most heart wrenching and gross feelings ever, but it doesn't make you the victim. you thought you were into it and later realized you made a mistake. it's awful but it doesn't give you the right to ruin the other parties life
Hope you’re doing alright tho, I think it’s incredibly mature to have that introspection “I simply wasn’t ready, that’s on me, not them”. Maybe one day you’ll be ready, maybe you won’t, either way I hope you’re doing alright and finding happiness in life!
I feel the EXACT same way. I was 19 and in a terrible place mentally, consented to get blackout drunk together with a guy I barely knew, lost my virginity and woke up in a relationship with a guy I didn't know and wasn't really attracted to. But I stayed with him because I didn't want to feel like a whore. Terrible experience that I regret, felt disgusting. But we were both drinking heavily and at the end of the day I was an adult and had to live with my own actions. I keep saying it, regretting a sexual encounter while both parties are drunk (or not) does not equal sexual assault.
What bothers me is how much she insists that he could have or should have asked or made clear certain things, but that she never once afforded him the same. There is obviously something to be said about silence not being consent, but did she ever once express discomfort either? Just kind of rubs me the wrong way thinking that if she had said something to... just about anyone WHILE it was happening, the night could have gone a lot different. Even in the texts it seems she decided she didn't like it long after it happened, which I don't think is how it works
I mean constent doesnt work like that. Try asking a girl every time you are touching her if she is comfortable with it, you will be laughed out of the room or she will think you are weird.
@@attilamarics3374 That actually has happened to me before. With my first partner, she took my hand and guided it. I stopped and asked if it was okay. She called me an idiot and was mad at me for days after because I "ruined the moment". Doomed if you do, doomed if you don't, I guess
I understand your confusion just as so many others do… however, him asking for consent to begin with would’ve answered all of your questions and confusion. hope this helps. (not on her side btw, just think asking for consent is very important and necessary)
Wow if Katie’s idea of an invitation wasn’t absolute twisted BS, then I would’ve been arrested three times now. Notice how her only evidence is strictly limited to her feelings that she supposedly hid on the inside until after the party. What a publicity leech
@@michaelhernandez7978 I'm not an expert on the subject but real celebrities (actors, singers etc) have been doing this for a while so there is a precedent for it. That being said they aren't fool proof as consent only counts when you sign the contract, even if it's 5 seconds later you can always change your mind making the contract null and void. I'm not sure how well saying you changed your mind 5 seconds later holds up in court but it's something to keep in mind. Also making a girl sign a contract is really weird so I'm 100% sure twitter would still find a way to get upset by it despite it being exactly what they asked for.
It's the fact she switches attitude so unapologetically, initially stating she would be up night after night in fear recounting the events unable to get ahold of herself and crying all the time, to instantly threatening and acting snarky in her follow-up tweets and streams, as if all that "fear" and "emotion" just dissipated into thin air, I'm surprised not many people mention this
@@randconfig8626 So everyone also has THAT, on top of being a victim of whatever they're accusing others of? Get real. They belong to the streets, the lot of them.
Unfortunately, that doesn't work either. So many regular people face criminal charges and even convictions from false accusations. If anything, being famous helps more as you can actually defend yourself. A friend of mine got accused of rape, despite being gay, and spent 6 months in prison before it was revealed she lied.
I kept rolling my eyes when she kept saying "freshly 18" Yeah, you are an adult. It means absolutely nothing. Regretting a sexual encounter while both parties are drunk and consenting in the moment is not sexual assault. Does it suck? Yeah it sure as hell doesn't feel good. But to call it SA is a lie.
Thats what im saying. What happened to darwinism? Play stupid games win stupid prizes. You were unfortunately the weak link in society, and unfortunately its your job to be culled. Thats just how nature works. I never once got drunk before 21, despite being around alcohol a lot. Never put myself in the position to be a victim. Even now, when i partake in occasional recreational drug use, its in the comfort of my or my friends homes. I never have more than 3 drinks in an hour when out, and im 6'3 so thats fuck all nothing
this is unrelated to my stance on the content but "16-18 year olds can hold valid and well thought out political opinions" and "16-18 year olds are less likely to recognize when they are being abused" are not mutually exclusive ideas
The biggest red flag in all of this for me was how CaitiBugzz went from crying her eyes out to trying to stop herself from smiling while she talked about it. If what she claims happened really happened there is no way in hell or high water she would be so perky talking about it. Just watch that last stream she did and she’s clearly trying her best to resist smiling the whole time. Generally speaking, no one should be happy talking about a traumatic experience. But there she was, trying (and failing) to stop herself from smiling the whole time.
like as an SA survivor I still get choked up I don’t smile and such and that’s a HUGE teller she clearly isn’t being truthful in my eyes, like I can’t giggle and be like hehe about a horrible traumatic and life changing experience like SA.
@@humansaikikEverybody handles there trauma differently. I was diagnosed with PTSD from being molested and ra*** by my dad when I was 5. I make a lot of jokes about it and i never ever cry when it think about it. My therapist told me that I typically talk about it like I'm just talking about my plans for the weekend. On the outside I don't appear to be bothered by what happened to me.But my subconscious is , I just don't feel it so therefore when I talk about it, I talk about ot like it's no big deal.
@@babyturkey8342i relate to this. i will talk about my trauma and make jokes about it like it’s a normal thing even though i lost years of my life from it. it’s more of a “if i don’t laugh i’ll cry” thing though
@@humansaikikAlso, I'm not defending Katie.I think that she's not being very honest.So i'm not on her side in this. I'm just talking about people handling trauma differently in general.
@@babyturkey8342 I’m aware of that but Caiti has many holes in her story, but I don’t think Caiti was joking about her said “trauma” I’m not going to have an argument.
"Freshly 18" still has to be the dumbest phrase a legal adult can make to curb personal responsibility. Minors MUST be protected by the law, but society completely removing one's personal agency/responsibilty until they see their 18th birthday cake is why kids and teenagers get dumber every generation.
The readily available nature of online content and the attention-seeking nature of young life is why you think people are getting dumber, rather than any actually citable statistic.
I hate it too. People mature at differant rates so the 18 line is important to arbatrate it as a baseline to being able to mqke your own decisions. If you are still "too young" at 18 we should raise the right to vote and buy guns then
Real victims should go to the police, always. In reality, if there is any merit whatsoever to the claims, police treats sexual assault incredibly seriously
as a british person its so bizarre seeing everyone freaking out over someone whos 'only 18' when thats like past the completely legal age to do anyting here lmao
True especially if its someone you use to know thats accusing you of horrendus shit you never did (or wording it in a different way) It is truly fucked up.
@@TimSlee1If you're gonna claim that anyone under 18 even if they are 1 day too young is still a child and thus are a absolved of any responsability, then sorry but as soon as you turn 18 you're on your own
@@TimSlee1 dude. at the end of the day, even if it isnt right, the legal system dictates that once they turn 18 they can no longer be considered a minor.
Everything is so seen as an extreme now. It's no more bad experiences, all of it is SA. There are no more bad boyfriends, it's manipulator, groomer or abuser. No more lying, it's all gaslighting.
Eh for the chronically online people maybe. I can tell you about all the mistakes I made in dating guys. The majority of my ex's where pretty much just guys trying to figure out their own life and what they wanted while exploring it with me. And well stuff just happened that made it not work. Like one figuring out he was into guys only and I can tell you, I ain't a guy. I am actually still friendly with a majority and often give advice on regular life stuff cause we're friends first. Helping each other out is just normal in my opinion.
Seeing how Caiti exaggerates in many aspects of her story, it makes me wonder how similar she is to her friends, like this British group thinks you can be groomed by someone else your own age Chronically online ew
The Caiti situation angers me to an unfathomable degree. It's bad enough that she's a flat-out liar who tried to bring him down for no discernible reason, but to try to garner sympathy by framing it as some ped... situation, and she then has the absolute stones to admit she was illegally drinking, thus deflating so much of the story she's trying to peddle. It's mind-numbing how nonsensical it all is... and she gets on camera and cries like getting touched on the stomach is tantamount to SA. It's just baffoonery at its worst. She deserves jail time for the attempt. And she got an apology!!!
Not to mention that dumb dude defending her and yelling 😂 damn i never got second hand embarrassment like that these kids will feel so ashamed in their twenties 😂
"But I only did it because I was drunk"????? Bro what. This is along the lines of a drunk driver saying "I'm not responsible, I was black out". Or more realistically, something nearly every college student has experienced: Waking up to someone you don't know/like after a heavy night of drinking.
The whole situation with George just shows, the people that were trying to cancel him are 13 years old and the only intimate experience they had in their life, was hand holding.
I think the main issue is that she is an obviously naive girl who had never really been in a mature situation like that before. To us who are older and who've already had situations like this, it seems like a nonstarter. Should he have asked if she was ok with it? Sure, yeah probably, but drunk cuddling as an adult kinda implies attraction and the possibility of sex. I'm a lesbian, but before I came out I made out with a guy at a frat party when I was drunk and he felt me up. Do I regret it now and wish it didn't happen? Yeah, but I wouldn't really call it assault because we were engaging in an activity that had those implications. Overall I think she just was thrown into a situation that she wasn't able to handle yet. Both parties can share a little bit of blame, but mostly it was just a regrettable drunk incident, which happens all the time. They call em Sunday scaries for a reason.
my friend is an SA victim who fell into drugs and self sabotage after she was SA'd. she saw this situation on twitter and asked me about it (bc shes not an mcyt fan) and i showed her all the videos and responses without putting in my personal opinion so she could form her own thoughts on it. she noticed lots of inconsistencies on caiti's story and after finishing she went manic and kept on screaming "she's making me look like a fucking *joke*". i had to talk her out of relapsing. after she finally calmed down, we had a talk about this. one of the things she said that stuck out to me is that "her argument fell apart for me right after caiti said that she was faking enjoying it. she was making a conscious decision to hide her uncomfortableness so george couldn't read her correctly. that is not sexual assault."
Yeah I think she was just an inexperienced girl regretting her own actions and she was surrounded by people telling her she was SA. I also was trying to hide my uncomfortableness during my first time, I ended up not liking it and felt bad, but that was my own inexperience talking, my mistake, I would never have accused the older girl I did it with of abusing me.
Okay, so IMO Caiti's first allegation stream, when she is reading from her phone, sounds like shes writing a novel. Some of the words used to describe the scene like 'coughed out a no' sounds like shes trying to use literary techniques to add more emotion to an ALLEGED assult and falsify the incident. Idk who to believe but all i know is im happy with watching the 2010s minecraft now.
Oh yeah, it's obviously fake appealing to emotion. Because if she didn't do that, it would've been extremely easy to disprove her claims. But now that she's crying and has this extreme language, people will side with her regardless, since obviously it's real and he's just lying/faking evidence.
I wanna stop and point out that this entire discourse is literally millions of people invested in a story that's essentially: "an of-age girl got drunk at a party and cuddled with a guy who didn't quite feel her up, and then later on she regretted it(?) but nothing else actually happened." Why are we treating this like some high-profile r*pe case? Over half the population would be in prison if these were even remotely legitimate grounds for punitive action. Move on, there's real stuff happening in the world.
Wow so woke, it’s not as bad as r*e so why even talk about it am I right guys? Wait she didn’t even get killed why are we even talking about this so boring I’m woke lol millions of people wasting their time I’m not I’m woke
I think you need to look at the bigger picture of the implications this may have in the future. Sure, individually this case is nothing... as a whole - this helping to warp people's perspective on what actual consent/SA is. People online have a lot of power nowadays, to the point where companies will change/stop things if it's cancellable, or there is outrage. (Shows how much certain spaces online control irl) If these situations continue to occur, and people who have literally 0 life experience, and are mentally unwell - are controlling the narratives.. we will be in a very dangerous position potentially irl going forward. (To say the least) It also doesn't help that this prevents REAL SA victims coming out with stories, in fear of backlash. (This situation overall makes it much more difficult for them) And that male content creators will distance themselves more slowly from women, in fear of these situations happening. (It can literally happen SO easily with these chronically online women. All it takes is one tweet) That's why people care a lot, and are not willing to just ''move on'' so quick.
@@clockedfre yea i feel like the last part you said is overlooked. how are people in the public eye supposed to find friends or do anything at all with shit like this happening every day. they already have trouble being used for fame or money, and now people in the same boat are turning on them with "allegations". these people falsely accusing deserve to be blacklisted from any party or event.
@@xMckey 100%. It's so cooked man. It must suck not being able to just chill, and having to watch your back 24/7. These bad faith actors are so evil, because they KNOW what the internet will react like...and they KNOW they are attempting to ruin someone's whole life's work and future! :/ The whole content space needs some unwritten rules for both creators and fans to abide by in these situations. It's just so complex though, because for every suggestion there seems to be a catch 22; or chronically online take/counter argument. Your suggestion is a start. Charges being pressed would be good too. (But would have to be done in a way to not deter real victims somehow, but also protecting victims of false accusations)
tbh i’d get the point of bringing up her being 18 if he was in his 30s or 40s, because that’s kinda creepy. not illegal, but creepy, but dude was in his mid 20s. her entire argument was “i was 18 and i was drunk!!!!!!” like girl, you can enlist in the military at ur age, you weren’t a baby.
@@beronicagarcia74 Someone who has finished college going after someone who has just finished school is pretty creepy. Same for someone in their final year of college going after someone in high school.
People have been using the "i was drunk" excuse to avoid responsibility since alcohol was invented. It's pathetic to actually accept that excuse, but we are talking about people with the minds of children here
Thanks for making this video Tom. This situation is so dumb. I’m 34 now, I first slept with a girl when I was 13 or 14, she was a year older. Damn I’m glad Twitter & screen recording didn’t exist during my teenage years. These kids have absolutely no life experience at all. They cuddled, that’s it.
I have a theory these kinds of allegations coming out against ppl, where we’re lowering the bar of entry to being a sexual degenerate so low to the point you can find yourself accidentally tripping over it if you’re not anxiously microanalyzing every tiny detail of a sexual encounter, that we’re going to see the most (basically) neutered boys in Gen Alpha (HUGE spike in “aroaces” and the like) and with the supply of AI girl/boyfriends, basically irl romantic relationships are going to go the way of the dodo. That’s just a theory, though. But it seems more and more with each passing day that the risk attached to sexual interactions are just far too much of a gamble to take. Gen Z’s romanticization and exaggerating of “trauma” just makes it all seem like it’s not worth it.
The internet is a dangerous place for things like this. People are impatient and want to know who to be mad at, who to criticize and condemn, and many of them can't wait for everything to be laid out from all sides before drawing a conclusion. Many creators who have influence over loads of people may also feel pressured to publicly choose a side, which in a situation as serious as sexual assault allegations, you cannot be seen to stand with someone who is allegedly a 'rapist'. You have to either provide no comment, publicly condemn, or provide evidence against allegations if you are actually involved. Because of this you get many people forced into shunning their own friends for fear of being taken down with them if, as it appears will happen, they are being cancelled. Things like this should always be done in private at first and then if no agreement is made I see no issue bringing it to a fair public exposure. The fact that these false allegations can be taken as gospel so quickly and without question is truly terrifying.
i think the biggest thing for me that made me somewhat suspicious of caiti is that in her original stream, everything is said like some sort of book. like she used such dramatic phrasing and it's almost like some sort of creative writing assignment instead of a stream talking about a serious topic.
How can he consent to "cuddling" if he was drunk, she didn't ask the question... Social media fugged y'all so bad up. Sounds like they're all like 11/12 y/o instead of 18+... holy cow.
the way she speaks against taking legal action and encourages her audience not to contact law enforcement is truly despicable. The police take assault and sexual assault very seriously and will make contact with the suspect 100 percent of the time!!
Idk why people act like 18-26 is a huge age gap. It's 8 years. Idc for any of the dream SMP people but George hadn't done anything explicitly wrong, knowing she was drinking and assumed to be 21. Even at 18, that's an 8 year gap between 2 legal adults, that's not bad. If he was like 15 years older yeah that's a lot but then he'd be in his early-mid 30s.
in all fairness it does seem i little weird, im willing to bet those types of people would be willing to go younger if the law allows it, the only thing stopping them from getting with kids is the law
Their fans are mostly children with absolutely 0 concepts of adult social interactions and relationships. They think they know cause they dated someone in 9th grade lol.
so thrown off by the constant "I was drunk" argument. before i could drink, i believed that being intoxicated rendered you useless and that you would remember nothing/barely anything. nowadays i know that's not entirely true. just having your wheels wobbling doesn't mean you're a total ragdoll being taken advantage of. crazy.
I hate to say it, but im gen z and it concerns me that theres quite literally hundeds of thousands if not millions of people my age who will go on absolute witch hunts regarding the george stuff. If people are so willing to do all of this over random strangers online, what will they do to people in their actual lives?
if it helps they'll do absolutely nothing, because people talking mad shit online but whimpering the second you give them any irl pushback is a tale as old as the internet itself.
I think the problem with Caiti is that she just lacks the experience of hookups, but also life experience of actually communicating with people. There's no excuse to not communicate with someone about how you feel if there's no indication that you are being threatened or controlled. The whole cuddling situation lasted for well over an hour, with her coming and going every once in a while, yet she decides to not say no just because she thinks it will ruin the party? Have more dignity than that, please. If you know you can't handle potential encounters like this at parties with people you've just met, drunk or not, you probably shouldn't be partaking in them, especially if you're too young to be drinking. I obviously know that people, not just women, can feel too afraid to speak up, but at some point you need to say something. You can't just get what you want by letting things happen. You have to communicate, otherwise the other person will be using non-verbal cues to guide encounters. If she talked to him about it the next day or something, they could have totally worked it out. Life's about having tough conversations, and if you can't embrace discomfort or tension in your relationships then life's gonna be rough until you can. If you fail to communicate, you end up in a situation that you might REGRET but that doesn't mean you were SEXUALLY ASSAULTED. Personally, I avoid dating women under 20-21 completely because of lack of experience. If you're doing a hookup, then I can maybe understand but there's really no reason to not just hookup with someone a little older. In my opinion, it is a little weird to be cuddling with an 18 year-old, especially when your 26, but it's not illegal and if they consent then it's none of my business. I also just prefer women that know how to communicate their thoughts and feelings instead of letting it all sit until it eventually erupts out of nowhere.
I dont understand the sudden claim of 18-19 year olds not being adults and being treated as minors when it comes to another adult interacting with them?? Its honestly pretty wild that these 18-19 yr olds try to claim "grooming" when its literally just... two adults interacting?
Bro I was out there defending George since DAY ONE. And I don't even like the guy's content. All I knew was that the allegations were dodgy at BEST. Glad to know I was in the right!
as someone who was actually raped at 16 by a 19 year old man, caiti is making a fool out of rape victims. someone flirting and touching with you when you haven't told them to stop is not assault. yknow what was assault? being raped by an adult man when i was 16 so badly i couldn't walk after. it makes me sick that she compares her as an adult flirting with another adult to assault/grooming.
@@magical571 if you still believe Caiti, even after watching this video and doing the research (you haven't) check yourself into the nearest psych ward ASAP. It may be your first ever human interaction, but it will be beneficial, for you and many other people. I promise.
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Bruh, I'm so sick of hearing Ms Bitey McBitten.
My girlfriend touched my pp with verbal consent, am I a victim Mr slurpy slom
@@kaydog890tf is that
I think dream is cringe, but having so many people joke falsely about you being a pedophile that it becomes a meme must've been a horrible experience
It’s not even half as cool as Sam Hyde.
The mental strain it puts on you is probably insane, I am surprised he didn't crack
it’s weird that people are still using that meme. I thought it was a meme because of how obviously false the allegations were and because dream looked like a goober.
This. I don’t find him cringe because I don’t watch him, don’t know what he’s all about, but no matter what his actual content is I find it absolutely insane that people thought or still think it is funny to joke about the allegations… Absolute madness.
They're all cringe and the fact people know who they are is wild
The disturbing part about the George situation is you could tell people were legitimately disappointed when Caiti's story started to fall apart and she was shown to be a liar. These people would rather have someone actually get assaulted than admit they got it wrong
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They dont even want her to be correct, they just wanna hear what they've been waiting for, that is for the downfall of George.
Actual assaulters are laughing at this situation, everyone is looking at the wrong place, when there are those SA victims that are in need of assistance to move on.
@@9KingP Yeah It's giving how people reacted to Dream's reply. Like they were disappointed that people WEREN'T groomed and allat.
@@9KingP im an sa VICTIM and im laughing at it, we Really need strict legal punishments for false claims so shit like this doesnt happen, and if it Does, the accuser is justly punished
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way..c.
This really changed the way I think about George Not Found. This whole time I thought he was gay.
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nah hes just british
Jesus 😂 me too kinda
I don't care how much you hate certain people, don't make up false allegations that could ruin their life. My least favorite part is that those people won't even get punished.
Brave take!
@@amp4105 coldest take in the west
People that make false accusations like these deserve harsh prison sentences tbh. I swear that they think they can get away with them just because nothing bad happens to people that make false accusations while the person being accused has their whole life ruined over a lie
probably didnt even hated him. Just thought she could somehow gain something from this. And she probably could have if her story actually made any sense at all, which is probably the scariest part about this.
Like for example if she went up to his room with him, and then just said "sorry actually I will go back to my room and sleep."
Coulda probably made up some assault story in the elevator and whatnot. Of course all of that wasnt the case since she likely was massively interested in him back then given she kept flirting with him for at least another month. She probably started feeling like she didnt want it once she wasnt interested in George any more.
By that logic I would have commited constant SA to all of my ex partners. But thats not how consent works. You can just pretend you didnt consent because you regret it in hindsight.
Like imagine if I could take back the consent for all the stupid things I have bought on the internet. I'd be a rich man.
Or maybe I just decided that I actually never wanted to life in a 800€ appartment in the city but would have prefered a 400€ one where I had to commute a little longer.
My landlord better give me that rent back right? lol
The audacity of Caiti lamenting that no one would take her seriously if she tried to file a report, when women like her are the very reason true victims get ignored, is absolutely mind-boggling
It's crazy how I'm stronger than 100 girls as a twin boy
But... but... but... he touched her BOOBS after drunk cuddling for an hour 😭
You know the reason most those cases don't make it anywhere is BECAUSE they lack evidence and/or are provably false allegations? So yea, it's literally because of her. But the data she is talking about is highly skewed data, becsuse someone CLAIMING to be an SA victim is all it takes to be counted as one of the ones that "didn't make it to trial"
More specifically the study she is getting that data from completely ignored the reasons why they didn't go any where, and the data is practically useless.
me when the cops don’t take my tickling report seriously: 😭😤😱😢
The Amber Heard Effect.
As a veteran drunken party animal, I can indeed confirm once you're hanging out with a bunch of people drinking, it's assumed that everyone is at least 21.
Right especially in a public place, a house party be leary but a small group in a hotel I'd assume we're all 21+ not that age is the issue here she was 18 and a half.
Not in Germany me boi xD
Especially since she showed up drunk- if she’d had showed up sober, not aware they’d drink, and then had them pushed on her, sure. But if someone is bold enough to walk around and show up places drunk, I assume they were able to get that way of their own accord and weren’t afraid of getting caught being drunk underage. Or at least, I can’t be sure she isn’t, idk where she got drunk. Wild story.
That's not something to be proud of.
@@JEAGERlST Didn't say I was. I was a shitty father and used all that partying as a way to keep from confronting my shitty marriage. I spent 6 months sober, focused on being a dad, took the time to see if my marriage was worth saving (wasn't) and at the end of that 6 months I took my son back home and moved in with my parents. Since then I've averaged maybe 10 drinks a year. Haven't had more than 2 drinks at a time in over 13 years. Keep the snark to yourself.
What sucks for George is the fact he's still losing subscribers, and he lost brand deals over these allegations; I've never been a fan of the Dream SMP, Dream, or George, but this guy didn't deserve to have his public reputation dragged through the mud like this. Also the blatant lying from Caitibugzz is insane, I feel like she saw the support Shubble was getting when she called out Wilbur and wanted to emulate that for herself. Even though no assault or abuse took place. I think she wanted attention.
honestly speaking facts zman
When I heard about them I was confused asf. Cause I was convinced he was gay. So hearing him “SA a girl” just sounded like a instant lie
I mean lets be honest. If they started uploading regular content again they would be gaining subs or at the very least have way more views and thus income again. They probably made so much in their lifetime already, they literally dont have have to care. They are enjoying their life and if they want to make a youtube project again they will. Apparently they have been working on a lot of stuff, but who knows. If I would be making like a million every year just from interest alone, I'd be less motivated to make a video even if it earns me a couple thousand bucks. Same story for George as well
Like you can tell even for those who had no drama they really toned down on content because honestly they made so much and probably got tired of minecraft at well at some point. Like Skeppy, Badboyhalo, tommyinnit and so on.
I think its just natural you lose subs from this. And honestly you dont want brainwashed ultra wokies who think reversing the burdong of proof or law of public opinion would be a good idea as subs anyway. The further away these people are from anything you do, the better.
What's funny is it was likely to get subscribers, Shubble herself was gloating about her subscriber count going up to 1mil after all her own false allegations (false until proven with evidence, words mean jack shit these days.) Also cool seeing you around here zman.
What I always find interesting is the motive and psychology behind these false allegations and cancellation attempts. Is it a desperate cry for attention? Is she being persuaded by a malicious friend into spinning these false narratives to the point she deludes herself to reality? Is she bored of the monotony in her conflict-free life and so has to go out and create controversy? Really have to wonder what compels these kinds of "TikTok girls" into committing such heinous acts. I think at some point genuine engagement with reality and the consequences of your actions in the real world just breaks down when you've centered your entire identity around online clout and content chasing like these girls probably very well have. I suppose nowadays, if you garner massive support in your attempt to smear the name of a large content creator, there's major financial incentive at stake.
"she was 18 YOU SICKO" is the funniest shit ever
As an Australian girl this is so fucking dramatic to me 🤣🤣
@@lc1540 as a brit, same
@@FrogWizzurd as a human being same
It’s weird af tho for a 18 year old to be with a 26 year old
@@EvanUnknown Consenting adults tho either way. Do we need to talk about the age difference of many high political figures to their spouses? Cause 8 years is just laughable in their sphere.
It all went downhill for them after the dream face reveal…
It also went all downhill once Technoblade died.
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Literally Minecraft’s CERN moment. Everything went weird after.
Yep.
It started with dream smp being seen as cringe so now these 17 year olds that were 13 in 2020 now are showing their self hatred over them being cringe by destroying all of their lives
Being a minecraft youtuber mean you either die early from illness or be accused (falsely or not) of being an abuser, its cosmic punishment
Ethoslab’s never been accused 🤷♂
@@bluebod2264Etho's lab is too powerful
@bluebod2264 I've never heard of the guy ngl but it's mostly the famous ones that get this treatment lol
Or be a pedo
@@producktions6180 mostly the newgen famous ones
people from before the minecraft resurgence have way less allegations
"Hey, i'm 18 and a virgin." Who tells a room of people that?
Who isnt a virgin and wants to fck.
I WAS JUST THINKING THIS !! like supposedly a room with a few people she knew and a few she just met??? why would she outright state to them that shes a virgin
@@plane2delos Or she just wanted meat.
@@plane2delos She wanted meat.
@@plane2delos She wanted meat.
Ngl she the way she acted in the final response video is so cartoony, the gestures, the eyebrows, the lip movements, the looking at the corner of the screen, there’s just something off lmfaooo
her vocie pissed me off
@@zil7618 same lol
@@griffithsrat glad we agree bro 😂
Her remarks about the reporters asking her questions about the whole ordeal definitely comes off as she's pissed that people didn't just straight up believe her
Was raised by a narcissist, when the tears dont work they start getting aggro and yelly.
The most pathetic thing about all of this is that the people who preached the narrative of George being a rapist, latched on to the sexism allegations after being proved wrong. That’s not forgetting the fact that everyone basically forgot about what happened with Wilbur because of the false allegations towards George.
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@@ozziedegens Womp Womp.
"Underage 18 y/o" is everything you need to know about their mindset. Always ask them "Under what age?"
tbf she IS underage in the US for drinking, which just means . . . she shouldntve been drinking! and if she was, she shouldve been more responsible about it
@@madsfiedler3884I love how not one single person is taking issue with the fact her 21+ friends are the one who brought a minor (in the eyes of drinking not age) to a party to drink and then left her by herself lol.
The difference between you taking her seriously and treating her like a liar is about 6 months. Like if she were 17 her accusations would suddenly be taken far more seriously because of law.
Man my underage grandma is like 79 years old it's disgusting that my grandpa was a pedo
@@TimSlee1 Even if she was 17, I doubt they would. Not sure what state they were in, but 17 is legal for a 26 year old in a lot of states.
I might be wrong in this but as a woman, when both parties had something to drink and the lady leans into and cuddles into the touches of a guy, its not the guys fault to continue said touches. Verbal consent doesnt have to be given, when physically visible consent is obvious. Like when you kiss your husband and it gets frisky, yall dont ask either, you just do it cause its obvious that that is wanted. "She didnt give verbal consent to be touched" well i am about 100.000% sure George didnt give VERBAL consent to be cuddled with either. Cause thats stupid. They were already cuddling and both drunk, neither asked for consent verbally. Just cause you regret something you did while drunk AFTER the fact it happened, you cant come out and accuse someone of something so horrible just to validate your regret.
I totally agree with you here. Romantic relationship development is just what happens, you don't ask for every move. You can, but generally you just make a move, see the reaction, and either stop or continue. She didn't show any discomfort as stated by almost all of people present there and herself, so that's a normal response for George to slowly make more moves.
People saying that you have to ask consent for everything are just different breed. I can't imagine them having a healthy loving relationship. I definitely wouldn't want to be asked all the time if they can hold my hand, touch my hair, touch my face, hug me or whatever. If I dislike something, I can say it or show it non-verbally. No need to sign a document each time you want to hug me.
Hey, not a woman here, but yes, you're in the right. But for some reason they wanna point out everyone was drunk, but somehow forget that that also means that George also couldn't have consented by their logic. What I also keep thinking is, imagine you've been cuddling with a guy for about an hour and THEN he asks "mind if I touch?" I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure I've heard a lot of women say it's offputting if a guy asks if they can kiss them, so I'd assume it applies here too.
Glad to see people that actually have some damn sense.
Stuff like how some people act makes me as a man. Very nervous of dating or evening doing ANYTHING
@@nashbickford9894as an HR worker, yeah, good policy. The shit I've seen in office politics is unbelievable if I hadn't been the one filing the paperwork.
these girls somehow twisted the concept of sideration and influence that happen to some real victims and use it as a trump card to avoid any accountability
Girl, if you're cuddling with strangers drunk at a party - you ARE NOT shy! lol
alcohol does remove social anxiety but if that was the case she would have had no trouble telling him to stop if she wanted him to
It would have been just as easy to just announced to the world you never go outside.
@@6hostii wow, you must have spent weeks to come up with that.
@@loczek25853 this video hasn’t even been out for weeks lmao. but no, i can promise you it was the first thing that came to my mind. it’s not that deep tho…your comment is just ridiculous
@@6hostii it's amazing that you've taken it literally and then taken the time to explain it lol as useless and dumb as your first response to be honest.
Caiti is a classic example of people who use serious allegations for clout - making it much harder for genuine victims to ever be believed.
This might be true, but what seems more likely that’s happening is allegations such as Caitie’s are what’s educating Gen Alpha as to what sexual assault and rape to be, and what seems far more likely (to me at least) of what the result’s gonna be is going to be a huge spike in AI gfs/bfs and ppl psyching themselves into being asexual and “aromantic”.
her poetry was cringeworthy
In her case the difference between being a victim and a liar was 5 months. lmao
Oh, they're also the first ones on the "believe all victims" and "false allegations aren't a real issue" bandwagon.
Don't get me wrong, they are issues. But you're making them worse and you have absolutely no right to complain. Ever. Again.
@@TimSlee1there is a reason why 18 is the cut off. 26 is lame asf to hit on 18 year olds but there is a reason why it’s not just arbitrary and there’s a legal cut off. I’m not hanging out with 18 year olds lmao but I’ve seen people so chronically online they act like a 4 year age gap is a CRIME lmao. 22-18 is literally a freshman in college not highschool and a senior people need to get off the internet and go outside lmao.
The most infuriating part is the lack of defense George had against his own situation of false allegations. He ended up apologizing to someone falsely accusing him of SA, which sets an atrocious precedent.
He never had to apologize, he made it seem like he actually did something bad. And it's their fault for bending their knees the second anyone posts a video about them.
I feel like George was second guessing himself and just felt bad. Keep in mind, situations like these are how people get gaslit. Once you have been gaslit hard enough, you might believe pretty much anything anyone says and question what really happened. As someone who has been gaslit HARD over things a LOT in my life, I can tell you just how real that is.
And you have stupid people saying “HE ADMITTED IT!!!! THAT MEANS HE’S GUILTY!!!!” Like bro people can admit to things that they didn’t do so 1. They can get people off there backs or 2. Being gaslit into thinking you did something bad. The man didn’t even admit fully to what he did he said “I am so sorry for what I done to you and I didn’t mean to hurt you if I did”
@@Dracula3177 Honestly, I don’t care for any excuse for George apologizing. What he did was cowardly.
Never apologise to a false accuser. Never "respect their feelings".
I mean, this doesn't need to be said but it seems with some fools it does.
As an actual victim of SA, this is fucking disgusting. How do you go so public with a bunch of lies, not have solid proof, get mad at people for questioning you, and then put out the message that victims are never going to be heard?? Like, what?? I'm so sorry for everyone who has actually gone through SA or worse. You are heard , good people will believe you
god bless you 🙏 i hope those hurt still have a chance to be heard instead of being overshadowed by attention seekers
dawg u're my brother irl what are u talking about
@@wafIeee I have no idea who you are 💀💀 I'm not a dude
These girls somehow twisted the concept of sideration and influence that happen to some real victims and use it as a trump card to avoid any accountability, ego damages and to get what they want, that's so vicious.
In my country we had a great youtuber that many fangirls wanted to have a taste of, he dated some of them, but they were so pissed about being ****ed then ghosted one after another that they gathered together to accuse him of abuse because of his statut and twisting some messages to accuse him of forcing them, all above 18yo btw.
The messages were just him telling each girls that he'll more or less stop talking to them if they don't go further with him. And they accepted.
It can be considered a jerky move but imagine a girl saying that to her pretendants, nobody would bats an eye, those criticizing her would be accused of sexism and slut shaming, and her exes would be accused of harrassing her...
He got his reputation destroyed and had to stop his carrier even though he and some other creators made convincing debunking videos.
This 26 year old guy made me feel my uncomfortable so I went to his hotel room a second time but that time I was already drunk.
Sounds legit! 👍
This new wave of people calling age gaps pedophilia or grooming is so annoying
I know they're completely taking responsibility away from girls like they're all just innocent little angels until the day they turn 18
Age gaps are only as weird as the people in the relationship make it. Both over 18? Both people out of high school? They're both adults.
@@CowToesWhat if you are both 17 but one is a month older, does that person suddenly become a pedophile when he/she turns 18?
Blindly applying an arbitrary number is stupid, everything is nuanced.
@@zDToddy In the US it depends on state law. Where I live there is some leniency in that situation. There's a legal term for it that escapes me at the moment.
Narcissism seeks any opportunity to feel any sense of relevance. Be careful out there, dudes.
I really need to applaud you Turkey, cuddling with Wendigoon and stopping only because Wendi is reserving himself for marriage. What a beautiful relationship.
Deep down Tom knows he’s meant for Destiny. I’ll be shopping them together till the end of time.
Turkeygoon confirmed.
I don't understand what's happening , but I beg to differ, don't tell me tom is getting targeted by cancel culture because he messed up😭
@@zorymoon_yes_its_me just jokes bro
@@starkai6806I completely agree it’s inevitable
Let’s talk about those so called “friends” like Aimsey, Maxggs, Sneegsnag, Coy Piso, Snifferish, and BoomerNA. Never reached out for his side despite interacting with him and his friends.
They’re snakes and only after views. The dreamteam know to never interact with those creators
I hate cancel culture. A pretty woman cries out on twitter to the public that she's been assaulted, and everyone believes her blindly. Engagement farming is wild.
in some cases it is true though *cough* wilbur *cough*
@@iplayminecraft2248cool name
this is not at all what you should have gotten out of this video
true, i just wait until there's actual evidence but people consider hearsay and cringe responses as the highest form of proof.
She's not even pretty lol
As a Brit, 18-20 year olds trying to get people cancelled over them being provided alcohol is such a joke…
As an Aussie, I agree with you there 😂
As a Dane I agree, we start drinking around 15
As a Czech, I agree with you.
Yep.
I was "being an adult" at 15.
So was the other boys and girls my age. Sure we might have some regrets but they were our mistakes to make. We were never "victims".
It’s the drinking age that makes everyone’s mind up, you and adult at 18 but babied to drink to 21? That’s retarded.
These kind off exaggerated allegations don't empower victims, they just lessen the severity of actual assault.
Yea imagine being a real victim nowadays. When those parasites take spotlight
it's more like "the boy who cried wolf", how many false allegations will it take for people to ignore actual victims?
@@boneheadedfellow it becomes " the girl who cried wolf."
@@anthonym840 the girl who cried "RAPE!"
right! like amber heard. now when i hear a woman say she was raped i just roll my eyes and go "oh here we go again with the bullshit!"
i watched a girl at a bar get choked unconscious and then have a pool stick stuck up her puss and asshole a whole bunch. bloody mess. but when she got up and tried to start crying i was happy to see the room tell her to stfu and quit trying to act like she didnt want it. like the others i refused to call anybody to let her tell her lies. you get what you get.
And yet. Reddit took Katie’s side 100% and anyone saying she wasn’t sexually assaulted or was wrong is banned and called a sexist incel
Who’s the real sexist, though, Redditors?
I guarantee theyre still saying the same thing right now and i have never even checked any of those subreddits before. Reddit is just Twitter lite at this point just with most of them being some form of antisocial
@twincherries6698 How do you know they have ASPD?
Redditors have never actually spoken to a woman
@@sorrow2305you’ve misunderstood. Being antisocial and having ASPD are two very different things.
Yeah reddit goes full hive mind with stuff like this.
Writing down and reading out “I was freshly eighteen” is such a choice.
Also 5 months "freshly" 💀
Like dude you're almost halfway througgh being 18, fym "freshly turned"
Someone said Caiti was acting like a twilight character in her second response and I can’t unsee it 😭
bro it was in the first stream too "i dreaded the possibilities of" STFU
There ain't no way.
@@bymwithlucifer same-
She tries to play the victim card, gets caught, doubles down on it and still fails at being the good guy in this is amazing.....these people are the reason REAL sexual assault allegations aren't taken seriously
I know this is a popular opinion, but I don't think it's true. I think it's actually allowing a much needed correction to occur.
It sucks that these guys are suffering false allegations, but people should be extremely skeptical of allegations that are carried out in this fashion. Anyone that attempts to hold court on social media in order to levy SA allegations should have their motives scrutinized immediately. At the end of the day, anyone who uses social media to levy allegations, is doing it because they want to socially ostracize the person they are accusing.
It sucks that it came to this, but it shouldn't take this many false allegations for ppl to stop reflexively believing these stories without any evidence or genuine corroboration. If women do want to come forward using social media, they should plan on substantiating those claims. Real predators will still be exposed if accusers provide receipts. Just look at Vince McMahon. And even that Slick guy that tried rubbing up on some chick that was passed out. People will still believe actual victims... but scrutinizing these claims is the only way to discourage ppl like Caiti. Thats my 2 cents anyway
@@RustCole01 Your post is beyond dreadful. You're the problem.
@@RustCole01 I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said. I’m just saying it’s kind of hard to prove sexual assault in the first place. When a person is getting sexually assaulted, their first instinct isn’t to grab their phone and start filming. And have proof.
Ridiculous
I'm definitely someone who believes that people who make false sexual assault allegations need to face criminal repercussions. Too many innocent lives have been destroyed simply because the accused were found guilty in the court of public opinion. These manipulative liars damage the credibility of everyone.
That's what really busts my nuts. There are a lot of reasons why I don't talk about my own assault outside of therapy, and this shouldn't be one, but it is.
The "being 18-years-old" as a device to infantalize and absolve oneself of responsibility and to unfalsify all the feelings statements and fact claims being made is the most aggravating aspect of this whole thing. So she wants the protection given to the innocence of a child while also having the liberty of a full-grown adult beyond her age to put herself in adult situations and to engage in underage drinking at the same time. That's the ultimate having your cake and eating it too.
As a cop the reason the mountain troll didn't go to the police is because they would've immediately found out she was lying.
didnt she also endanger and incriminate herself by participating in underage drinking? AND didnt she also endanger the unknowing adults at the function?
"He didn't even know my age-" Yeah, maybe seeing you were intoxicated led him to think you were at least 21 considering that is the legal drinking age in all of America and has been since 1984. As someone who HAS been assaulted, Catie can get bent. You weren't assaulted, you had an awkward encounter caused by a misunderstanding due to your own actions. Grow up.
Out of curiosity, what was the legal drinking age before 1984?
@@iiBenihime18 - but it depended on the state. In 1984 the federal government began withholding infrastructure funds from states that had the legal drinking age below 21. Basically all states changed their laws because they wanted that cash cash lol
@@kevinmartin6419 I believe it was specifically interstate funds, since the federal government can dictate those.
@@iiBenihime 1984 is when America had a National legal age of drinking. Before that it was dependent on the states to decide so California may have had a different drinking age to New York, etc.
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a regrettable sexual experience doesn't always mean sexual assault
she chose the SA route because she wanted to be perceived as an angel, not a whore
She is 18 btw
Young woman of the 2020'S apparently don't agree with that very basic
philosophy
Seriously. I was raped by a stranger when I was 17 and seeing this girl whine and cry about how she would never be the same because a guy tickled her under her shirt at a party, especially after I had already learned that there was a flirty vibe among the two the entire time... I was like no. If you're 18 going into a party with adults and you do something or get into a situation you don't like, it's ok to feel regretful and even upset about it. But that does not mean you get to go online and paint them as a sexual predator and yourself as the brave yet weepy victim.
@@dahliacheung6020 honestly I agree with you in this case she is immature and trying to get back at George for something he didn’t do effectively
its insane to me that an 18 year old in a completely consensual setting is being called a victim because she regrets her decision to be with george that night and i dont even like george
During my teenagehood i was accused of abuse and SA twice; once by a random girl who was stalking me, showing up to my council block trying to get me to hang out with her, and if i was not home she would go around the neighbourhood asking random kids where i was (long story...), then a year or so later her boyfriend (WHOM SHE WAS DATING AT THE TIME TOO) tried beefing with me because I apparently assaulted said girl... long story short he realised she was crazy and made it all up and became extremely friendly and apologetic towards me for years to come (i dont blame him, he was a teenager in his first relationship, i would probably believe her too if i was him).
Then it was an ex girlfriend who was suuuper abusive towards me (nothing physical but threats of suicide, calling me useless or pathetic in front of our friends, purposefully saying very hurtful things or ignoring me because "it made her believe i actually loved her" (because seeing it did hurt me made her believe i did love her, because if i wasnt hurt it would mean i didnt care about her and loosing her... i guess? and so on).
Then i finally broke up with her after about a year of a relationship... only for her to tell all of our friends I was the one doing all the abuse; she literally listed things she has done to me, claiming i did them to her.
The issue with that was... she was talking to people WHO WERE THERE WITNESSING HER ABUSE, and many times tried convincing me to run away from her. But there were some people (well... lets be honesg here, it was all men simping for her, not a woman in sight as they saw through her bullshit immediately) who either werent in the group back then or didnt care as they wanted to date her, "believing" her and excluding me from like half of all social events, parties etc of my friends group (which i later left altogether).
But anyways, im not trying to say that "hurr all whemen lie and eat hot chip" or whatever; its my fault for dating such girls to begin with (well okay, the first girl i didnt even know when she started stalking me, but the 2nd one was on me). I just felt like sharing my own story. I do believe that false accusation brought to court should be punished whilst they're seemingly ignored completely, but only if lying is actually provable - vut this is very hard to prove, which could lead to people being sentenced for "false" accusations that were not fake at all, but lack of proof could lead people to believe it was made up. Its a slippery slope.
No, it is not your fault for being abused by a psycho. The fact that, as a man, my guilt is presumed is the reason why don't even get into relationships to begin with. If the chance of being in an abusive relationship was the only risk, it would be bad enough but it would be manageable, but being piled on by everyone around me and even blamed for it is not something i want to deal with in my life. Besides, i've been alone for most of my life, it used to bother me when i was younger,. now, i'm finally comfortably numb.
I feel like Americans really infantilise young women (18+), which is what causes situations like George’s. Her main point is that she was “freshly 18”, when that has no bearing on the situation at all. She’s acting like that makes him a paedo, but she was literally a legal adult. She chose to drink illegally, and chose to be there. I’ve been assaulted myself and I hate to victim blame, but she’s contradicted herself multiple times. She never once said no, and she apparently reciprocated. He’s not a mind reader, he had no way of knowing that she didn’t want to hook up.
America has literally nothing to do with anything. It's idiots all over the world making silly arguments like that.
I think it’s a pendulum swing from how far the opposite it was back in the 90’s and 2000’s. It wasn’t uncommon for teens to be sexualized in movies and shows back then. Hell, I think there’s a clip of Ashton Kutcher on Punk’d talking about the Olsen Twins where he says “everyone’s waiting for them to turn 18”, and jokes/attitudes like that were pretty common back then. But now it’s swinging to the opposite extreme.
People like Caiti try to weaponize the “Me Too” movement, and their slogan to “believe ALL women” for their own benefit. It shuts down any inquiry around the topic lest you be socially shamed.
There needs to be a new “Me Too” movement against false accusers, because this is getting out of control. Everyone loses. Especially real victims. And people like Caiti suffer no consequences for trying to destroy someone’s life.
After the 24 hour news cycle people will forget and move on. That’s probably why she privated her socials. It’s far easier for a female streamer to bounce back from controversy than it is for men.
Well its not Americans lol. Its people terminally online, you see how the whole drama is based on off clout chasers + twitter users? I bet you if u talk to any random person on the street, most of them will say 18 is legal full stop. I feel like that's what happens when you take drama too seriously, you equate online opinions as real life opinions, the truth is that people always online(twitter/4chan/redditors) will end up having really weird out of touch opinions/thinking so that they can join a group and feel strong together and jump on someone/something to vent their frustrations.
It can be about age/race/religion/political/games/music/science, anything can and will be twisted and to fit their narratives and the only real way to stop is to not engage with such people, honestly all the videos/talks about such things also doesn't help, you can see how some random twitter post with like 10 likes and 100 views can get reacted by someone and get like millions of views on youtube/tiktok/instagram, so it ends up having this effect where people say the dumbest shit to feel seen and heard.
EXACTLY. I've been saying this since thing situation happened, and I only saw people defending her, and shutting on me. I also hate victim blaming but here, this is not that. She chose all of this and ever give any indication that she doesn't want it. She propably has no life experience, and doesn't understand that verbal consent is mostly not a thing, it called reading the room
This girl cares so much about her age when it comes to sex, but doesn't care at all when it comes to consuming alcohol. Have some moral consistency please.
Also, if people want to continue to infantalize themselves at 18, maybe it's time we raise the legal age for everything on them and see how they like it.
Her friends should be the ones under scrutiny for bringing and helping an 18 year old get access to a 21+ event just so she can drink and then leaving her alone at a party.
@@ArreyuhYeah, no kidding. Like, I'll admit I'm incredibly paranoid, but I almost suspect that her friends were HOPING something would happen at that party. Like, it could have been their actual goal to get a big creator in trouble by creating a situation where someone in their "friend" group became a victim of SA, then use that to boost their group's name. Regardless, these people are awful no matter what the truth is. Because either these friends of hers are a bunch of irresponsible a-holes who accidentally brought her into and left her in a position were she could have been genuinely assaulted, then they all tried to profit on it later. Or alternatively, they did it all on purpose from the start to boost their careers. She needs new friends, unless it was intentional and she was in on it, in which case she deserves to have such a terrible friend group.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince honestly I wouldn’t even doubt that theory, how do you bring an 18 year old female friend to party and then leave her by herself with a bunch of random dudes. Even if they weren’t going to assault her how are you not gonna make sure she gets to her room safe. Truly sickening that these are people with platforms even if they’re small.
Yes, the whole age thing really annoys me. He didn't know her age, but even if he did, she was still 18, nothing illegal happened. There are hundreds of 18 year old girls making porn videos every week with older men, and nobody seems to care. Yet this dude touched her stomach, and everyone is supposed to all act like it's some horrendous event. She's an adult now, she doesn't get to turn that off and on whenever she likes because she's "freshly 18". I feel bad for this generation of kids. It's freaking wild out there. People are just waiting to pounce and call you a sexual predator.
im not trying to defend anyone but that is just a dumb comparison. something being "illegal" doesn't always mean it's "immoral". especially considering drinking at age 18 is completely normal behavior.
Caiti just accused a man of SA for clout. Let that sink in.
#believeallwomen amirite?
it doesn't bother or surprise me anymore
"without her full verbal consent"
*stands up*
permission to initiate contact?
"The Minecraft community is in shambles" 💀💀
Understatement of the year 😂
As opposed to what?
**5 seconds later: Dream's face reveal photo**
They never stood a chance.
i make better content then this I'm a 30+ year old Jewish media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way..c.
@@ville__ let me give you some advice man, go touch some grass. Trust me you’ll be happy that you did
i mean like. my first sexual experience is my biggest regret, and it left me traumatized and sexually repulsed ever since. but it wasn't the guys fault. i thought i was ready but i wasn't. that's not rape, that's a mistake on my part. i totally feel for cati, as being touched and regretting it afterward is one of the most heart wrenching and gross feelings ever, but it doesn't make you the victim. you thought you were into it and later realized you made a mistake. it's awful but it doesn't give you the right to ruin the other parties life
Hope you’re doing alright tho, I think it’s incredibly mature to have that introspection “I simply wasn’t ready, that’s on me, not them”. Maybe one day you’ll be ready, maybe you won’t, either way I hope you’re doing alright and finding happiness in life!
This is a mature and real take. Hope you're recovering better everyday no matter the pace.
No more true words have been stated on this site...
I feel the EXACT same way. I was 19 and in a terrible place mentally, consented to get blackout drunk together with a guy I barely knew, lost my virginity and woke up in a relationship with a guy I didn't know and wasn't really attracted to. But I stayed with him because I didn't want to feel like a whore. Terrible experience that I regret, felt disgusting. But we were both drinking heavily and at the end of the day I was an adult and had to live with my own actions. I keep saying it, regretting a sexual encounter while both parties are drunk (or not) does not equal sexual assault.
good to see a reasonable point here. hope you’re alright as much as it’s possible though
What bothers me is how much she insists that he could have or should have asked or made clear certain things, but that she never once afforded him the same. There is obviously something to be said about silence not being consent, but did she ever once express discomfort either? Just kind of rubs me the wrong way thinking that if she had said something to... just about anyone WHILE it was happening, the night could have gone a lot different. Even in the texts it seems she decided she didn't like it long after it happened, which I don't think is how it works
I mean constent doesnt work like that. Try asking a girl every time you are touching her if she is comfortable with it, you will be laughed out of the room or she will think you are weird.
@@attilamarics3374 That actually has happened to me before. With my first partner, she took my hand and guided it. I stopped and asked if it was okay. She called me an idiot and was mad at me for days after because I "ruined the moment". Doomed if you do, doomed if you don't, I guess
I understand your confusion just as so many others do… however, him asking for consent to begin with would’ve answered all of your questions and confusion. hope this helps. (not on her side btw, just think asking for consent is very important and necessary)
@@sev2320 Her not saying a word is consent.
@@attilamarics3374 not how consent works at all bud
Wow if Katie’s idea of an invitation wasn’t absolute twisted BS, then I would’ve been arrested three times now. Notice how her only evidence is strictly limited to her feelings that she supposedly hid on the inside until after the party. What a publicity leech
Minecraft youtubers just need to wear a bodycams while around girls at this point
I'm dead serious, they need some form of consent contract, even if it's a confirmation text.
@@michaelhernandez7978 I'm not an expert on the subject but real celebrities (actors, singers etc) have been doing this for a while so there is a precedent for it. That being said they aren't fool proof as consent only counts when you sign the contract, even if it's 5 seconds later you can always change your mind making the contract null and void. I'm not sure how well saying you changed your mind 5 seconds later holds up in court but it's something to keep in mind. Also making a girl sign a contract is really weird so I'm 100% sure twitter would still find a way to get upset by it despite it being exactly what they asked for.
@@michaelhernandez7978 Hey katie, is it OK if i touch your belly? LMFAO
@@michaelhernandez7978LMFAO “okay sign here, here and here”
I think all you tubers need to stop hanging out with fans.
It's the fact she switches attitude so unapologetically, initially stating she would be up night after night in fear recounting the events unable to get ahold of herself and crying all the time, to instantly threatening and acting snarky in her follow-up tweets and streams, as if all that "fear" and "emotion" just dissipated into thin air, I'm surprised not many people mention this
you make a good point. deorio did but not many others have
That's not abnormal for someone with borderline personality disorder.
@@randconfig8626 So everyone also has THAT, on top of being a victim of whatever they're accusing others of? Get real.
They belong to the streets, the lot of them.
you may find it surprising, but many of those who are informed in the dynamics in this stuff recognize that this is simply a given.
Until next time what?!?!
How to stop False Allegations:
Step 1: Dont Become Famous
Unfortunately, that doesn't work either. So many regular people face criminal charges and even convictions from false accusations. If anything, being famous helps more as you can actually defend yourself. A friend of mine got accused of rape, despite being gay, and spent 6 months in prison before it was revealed she lied.
@@sugoistalin7809 Step 2. Be Deaf Be Mute Be Blind
@@mramogus1032 OUFF, have I got news for you.
A lady tried to claim a blind man was staring at her and tried to call him out on internet.
@@sasori2425 I need to get off this planet. Is Elon my best bet? I'll take it.
@@sasori2425 Damn dude, you can't do shit on this planet without someone after you.
Entitled girl gets sexually intimate with someone, regrets it later, and then claims to be an SA victim. This is beyond crazy.
I kept rolling my eyes when she kept saying "freshly 18"
Yeah, you are an adult. It means absolutely nothing. Regretting a sexual encounter while both parties are drunk and consenting in the moment is not sexual assault. Does it suck? Yeah it sure as hell doesn't feel good. But to call it SA is a lie.
legally an adult mentally and physically a teenager
Thats what im saying. What happened to darwinism? Play stupid games win stupid prizes. You were unfortunately the weak link in society, and unfortunately its your job to be culled. Thats just how nature works. I never once got drunk before 21, despite being around alcohol a lot. Never put myself in the position to be a victim. Even now, when i partake in occasional recreational drug use, its in the comfort of my or my friends homes. I never have more than 3 drinks in an hour when out, and im 6'3 so thats fuck all nothing
@@user-zy4cn9mj4pEven then she was in a party 21+ and MAYBE but most likely had a 21 wristband
@@enriqueperezarce5485 i know, just saying 18 year olds are still teens
True, her accusations would only matter if she was a 17 year old child. The brain suddenly develops instantly after you turn 18.
“MY FRIEND CRIED IN MY FUCKING ARMS ABOUT THIS, AND YOU’RE ON STREAM DENYING IT ALL!!!”
LEGENDARY clip 😂😂😂
With his pearl chocker
Unstable energy radiated from that clip lolol
the voice crack had me dying
Man's tryna score some sloppy seconds.
Did he even respond after it?
I hate how the internet always says “16-18 year olds aren’t as innocent as you think!” And then infantilize an 18 year old young ADULT.
this is unrelated to my stance on the content but "16-18 year olds can hold valid and well thought out political opinions" and "16-18 year olds are less likely to recognize when they are being abused" are not mutually exclusive ideas
"Oh god, what I did with this person was kind of cringe, makes me kind of embarassed... Time to accuse them of sexual assault!"
The biggest red flag in all of this for me was how CaitiBugzz went from crying her eyes out to trying to stop herself from smiling while she talked about it. If what she claims happened really happened there is no way in hell or high water she would be so perky talking about it.
Just watch that last stream she did and she’s clearly trying her best to resist smiling the whole time. Generally speaking, no one should be happy talking about a traumatic experience. But there she was, trying (and failing) to stop herself from smiling the whole time.
like as an SA survivor I still get choked up I don’t smile and such and that’s a HUGE teller she clearly isn’t being truthful in my eyes, like I can’t giggle and be like hehe about a horrible traumatic and life changing experience like SA.
@@humansaikikEverybody handles there trauma differently. I was diagnosed with PTSD from being molested and ra*** by my dad when I was 5. I make a lot of jokes about it and i never ever cry when it think about it. My therapist told me that I typically talk about it like I'm just talking about my plans for the weekend. On the outside I don't appear to be bothered by what happened to me.But my subconscious is , I just don't feel it so therefore when I talk about it, I talk about ot like it's no big deal.
@@babyturkey8342i relate to this. i will talk about my trauma and make jokes about it like it’s a normal thing even though i lost years of my life from it. it’s more of a “if i don’t laugh i’ll cry” thing though
@@humansaikikAlso, I'm not defending Katie.I think that she's not being very honest.So i'm not on her side in this. I'm just talking about people handling trauma differently in general.
@@babyturkey8342 I’m aware of that but Caiti has many holes in her story, but I don’t think Caiti was joking about her said “trauma” I’m not going to have an argument.
"Freshly 18" still has to be the dumbest phrase a legal adult can make to curb personal responsibility.
Minors MUST be protected by the law, but society completely removing one's personal agency/responsibilty until they see their 18th birthday cake is why kids and teenagers get dumber every generation.
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The readily available nature of online content and the attention-seeking nature of young life is why you think people are getting dumber, rather than any actually citable statistic.
Weirdly, this 18 year old grooming narrative has been becoming more common lately.
SHE WAS 17 YEARS, 11 MONTHS 354 DAYS 23 HOURS AND 59 MINUTES YOU SICK DEGENERATE
I hate it too. People mature at differant rates so the 18 line is important to arbatrate it as a baseline to being able to mqke your own decisions.
If you are still "too young" at 18 we should raise the right to vote and buy guns then
Real victims should go to the police, always. In reality, if there is any merit whatsoever to the claims, police treats sexual assault incredibly seriously
as a british person its so bizarre seeing everyone freaking out over someone whos 'only 18' when thats like past the completely legal age to do anyting here lmao
false accusers are genuinly so lame, 0 respect for these individuals who knowingly falsey accuse anyone of anything
True
especially if its someone you use to know thats accusing you of horrendus shit you never did (or wording it in a different way)
It is truly fucked up.
I am so sick of "fresh 18" adults acting like they no autonomy
But they had no autonomy when they were 17?
@@TimSlee1If you're gonna claim that anyone under 18 even if they are 1 day too young is still a child and thus are a absolved of any responsability, then sorry but as soon as you turn 18 you're on your own
@@titaniumgamer_10 I'm arguing against that logic.
@@TimSlee1 why tho
@@TimSlee1 dude. at the end of the day, even if it isnt right, the legal system dictates that once they turn 18 they can no longer be considered a minor.
Everything is so seen as an extreme now. It's no more bad experiences, all of it is SA. There are no more bad boyfriends, it's manipulator, groomer or abuser. No more lying, it's all gaslighting.
Eh for the chronically online people maybe. I can tell you about all the mistakes I made in dating guys. The majority of my ex's where pretty much just guys trying to figure out their own life and what they wanted while exploring it with me. And well stuff just happened that made it not work. Like one figuring out he was into guys only and I can tell you, I ain't a guy.
I am actually still friendly with a majority and often give advice on regular life stuff cause we're friends first. Helping each other out is just normal in my opinion.
Seeing how Caiti exaggerates in many aspects of her story, it makes me wonder how similar she is to her friends, like this British group thinks you can be groomed by someone else your own age
Chronically online ew
She just got drunk, flirted in front of people, and was embarrassed the next day 🤷♀️ that ain’t no sa
The Caiti situation angers me to an unfathomable degree. It's bad enough that she's a flat-out liar who tried to bring him down for no discernible reason, but to try to garner sympathy by framing it as some ped... situation, and she then has the absolute stones to admit she was illegally drinking, thus deflating so much of the story she's trying to peddle. It's mind-numbing how nonsensical it all is... and she gets on camera and cries like getting touched on the stomach is tantamount to SA. It's just baffoonery at its worst. She deserves jail time for the attempt. And she got an apology!!!
Not to mention that dumb dude defending her and yelling 😂 damn i never got second hand embarrassment like that these kids will feel so ashamed in their twenties 😂
"But I only did it because I was drunk"?????
Bro what. This is along the lines of a drunk driver saying "I'm not responsible, I was black out".
Or
more realistically, something nearly every college student has experienced: Waking up to someone you don't know/like after a heavy night of drinking.
The whole situation with George just shows, the people that were trying to cancel him are 13 years old and the only intimate experience they had in their life, was hand holding.
The fact that she recounted the events like a damn prose poem should've been the first indicator that something was fishy tbh
Tom, the type of person to whistle "everybody was kung fu fighting" during a fight scene
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@@moufronn ucking spammers man
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He is also the type to say "you in one army'' when fighting a villain who has his homies pull up right before the fight.
On god🙏
I think the main issue is that she is an obviously naive girl who had never really been in a mature situation like that before. To us who are older and who've already had situations like this, it seems like a nonstarter. Should he have asked if she was ok with it? Sure, yeah probably, but drunk cuddling as an adult kinda implies attraction and the possibility of sex. I'm a lesbian, but before I came out I made out with a guy at a frat party when I was drunk and he felt me up. Do I regret it now and wish it didn't happen? Yeah, but I wouldn't really call it assault because we were engaging in an activity that had those implications. Overall I think she just was thrown into a situation that she wasn't able to handle yet. Both parties can share a little bit of blame, but mostly it was just a regrettable drunk incident, which happens all the time. They call em Sunday scaries for a reason.
my friend is an SA victim who fell into drugs and self sabotage after she was SA'd. she saw this situation on twitter and asked me about it (bc shes not an mcyt fan) and i showed her all the videos and responses without putting in my personal opinion so she could form her own thoughts on it. she noticed lots of inconsistencies on caiti's story and after finishing she went manic and kept on screaming "she's making me look like a fucking *joke*". i had to talk her out of relapsing.
after she finally calmed down, we had a talk about this. one of the things she said that stuck out to me is that "her argument fell apart for me right after caiti said that she was faking enjoying it. she was making a conscious decision to hide her uncomfortableness so george couldn't read her correctly. that is not sexual assault."
Yeah I think she was just an inexperienced girl regretting her own actions and she was surrounded by people telling her she was SA. I also was trying to hide my uncomfortableness during my first time, I ended up not liking it and felt bad, but that was my own inexperience talking, my mistake, I would never have accused the older girl I did it with of abusing me.
Okay, so IMO Caiti's first allegation stream, when she is reading from her phone, sounds like shes writing a novel. Some of the words used to describe the scene like 'coughed out a no' sounds like shes trying to use literary techniques to add more emotion to an ALLEGED assult and falsify the incident. Idk who to believe but all i know is im happy with watching the 2010s minecraft now.
I mean, she's obviously full of shit.
Wattpad ah writing if I’ve ever seen it
Oh yeah, it's obviously fake appealing to emotion. Because if she didn't do that, it would've been extremely easy to disprove her claims. But now that she's crying and has this extreme language, people will side with her regardless, since obviously it's real and he's just lying/faking evidence.
im glad someone else picked up on that too lol, it sounded like she rewrote it to elicit an emotional response
I wanna stop and point out that this entire discourse is literally millions of people invested in a story that's essentially: "an of-age girl got drunk at a party and cuddled with a guy who didn't quite feel her up, and then later on she regretted it(?) but nothing else actually happened." Why are we treating this like some high-profile r*pe case? Over half the population would be in prison if these were even remotely legitimate grounds for punitive action.
Move on, there's real stuff happening in the world.
Wow so woke, it’s not as bad as r*e so why even talk about it am I right guys? Wait she didn’t even get killed why are we even talking about this so boring I’m woke lol millions of people wasting their time I’m not I’m woke
I think you need to look at the bigger picture of the implications this may have in the future. Sure, individually this case is nothing... as a whole - this helping to warp people's perspective on what actual consent/SA is. People online have a lot of power nowadays, to the point where companies will change/stop things if it's cancellable, or there is outrage. (Shows how much certain spaces online control irl)
If these situations continue to occur, and people who have literally 0 life experience, and are mentally unwell - are controlling the narratives.. we will be in a very dangerous position potentially irl going forward. (To say the least)
It also doesn't help that this prevents REAL SA victims coming out with stories, in fear of backlash. (This situation overall makes it much more difficult for them) And that male content creators will distance themselves more slowly from women, in fear of these situations happening. (It can literally happen SO easily with these chronically online women. All it takes is one tweet)
That's why people care a lot, and are not willing to just ''move on'' so quick.
@@clockedfre yea i feel like the last part you said is overlooked. how are people in the public eye supposed to find friends or do anything at all with shit like this happening every day. they already have trouble being used for fame or money, and now people in the same boat are turning on them with "allegations". these people falsely accusing deserve to be blacklisted from any party or event.
@@xMckey 100%. It's so cooked man. It must suck not being able to just chill, and having to watch your back 24/7. These bad faith actors are so evil, because they KNOW what the internet will react like...and they KNOW they are attempting to ruin someone's whole life's work and future! :/
The whole content space needs some unwritten rules for both creators and fans to abide by in these situations. It's just so complex though, because for every suggestion there seems to be a catch 22; or chronically online take/counter argument.
Your suggestion is a start. Charges being pressed would be good too. (But would have to be done in a way to not deter real victims somehow, but also protecting victims of false accusations)
This belittles actual sexual assault cases
tbh i’d get the point of bringing up her being 18 if he was in his 30s or 40s, because that’s kinda creepy. not illegal, but creepy, but dude was in his mid 20s. her entire argument was “i was 18 and i was drunk!!!!!!” like girl, you can enlist in the military at ur age, you weren’t a baby.
Finally someone articulated exactly what I was thinking!!
A guy of 22 hitting on 18 year olds would have been seen as pretty creepy when I was that age. 26 and 18...I don't think anyone would have done that.
@@michaelh878a four year age gap?? Ya no it’s not creepy
@@michaelh878 People literally have parents that have 10 year age gaps bro? This is such a nothing burger
@@beronicagarcia74 Someone who has finished college going after someone who has just finished school is pretty creepy. Same for someone in their final year of college going after someone in high school.
I have been tickled at a party. Things have never been the same.
I’d listen to this song
People have been using the "i was drunk" excuse to avoid responsibility since alcohol was invented. It's pathetic to actually accept that excuse, but we are talking about people with the minds of children here
Thanks for making this video Tom. This situation is so dumb. I’m 34 now, I first slept with a girl when I was 13 or 14, she was a year older. Damn I’m glad Twitter & screen recording didn’t exist during my teenage years. These kids have absolutely no life experience at all. They cuddled, that’s it.
GeorgeNotFound allegations are wild, wild how not serious they are
For real. That girl is going to have a rough life
I just wonder like, why?
@@JK-gm6kk got to have something to do with those older friends of hers, like MaxGGs.
@@doe-dw9lo Hearing the small clip of him screaming and voice cracking shows what kinda friend this is
I have a theory these kinds of allegations coming out against ppl, where we’re lowering the bar of entry to being a sexual degenerate so low to the point you can find yourself accidentally tripping over it if you’re not anxiously microanalyzing every tiny detail of a sexual encounter, that we’re going to see the most (basically) neutered boys in Gen Alpha (HUGE spike in “aroaces” and the like) and with the supply of AI girl/boyfriends, basically irl romantic relationships are going to go the way of the dodo.
That’s just a theory, though. But it seems more and more with each passing day that the risk attached to sexual interactions are just far too much of a gamble to take. Gen Z’s romanticization and exaggerating of “trauma” just makes it all seem like it’s not worth it.
Who else up Turkeying their Tom? 🗣️
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me rn brotha
i'm outchea tomming my turkey🦃🔥
I tur my key till I Tom 😢
The internet is a dangerous place for things like this. People are impatient and want to know who to be mad at, who to criticize and condemn, and many of them can't wait for everything to be laid out from all sides before drawing a conclusion. Many creators who have influence over loads of people may also feel pressured to publicly choose a side, which in a situation as serious as sexual assault allegations, you cannot be seen to stand with someone who is allegedly a 'rapist'. You have to either provide no comment, publicly condemn, or provide evidence against allegations if you are actually involved.
Because of this you get many people forced into shunning their own friends for fear of being taken down with them if, as it appears will happen, they are being cancelled.
Things like this should always be done in private at first and then if no agreement is made I see no issue bringing it to a fair public exposure. The fact that these false allegations can be taken as gospel so quickly and without question is truly terrifying.
After all the lying, she's still treated like a victim. That is crazy to me.
i think the biggest thing for me that made me somewhat suspicious of caiti is that in her original stream, everything is said like some sort of book. like she used such dramatic phrasing and it's almost like some sort of creative writing assignment instead of a stream talking about a serious topic.
OK I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. It felt very wattpad, which isn't surprising for her age.
Didn’t she just straight up read what she was saying from a phone or notebook?
Yep. It's called an advanced smear campaign.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT
I smell lies.
How can he consent to "cuddling" if he was drunk, she didn't ask the question... Social media fugged y'all so bad up. Sounds like they're all like 11/12 y/o instead of 18+... holy cow.
the way she speaks against taking legal action and encourages her audience not to contact law enforcement is truly despicable. The police take assault and sexual assault very seriously and will make contact with the suspect 100 percent of the time!!
Idk why people act like 18-26 is a huge age gap. It's 8 years. Idc for any of the dream SMP people but George hadn't done anything explicitly wrong, knowing she was drinking and assumed to be 21. Even at 18, that's an 8 year gap between 2 legal adults, that's not bad. If he was like 15 years older yeah that's a lot but then he'd be in his early-mid 30s.
in all fairness it does seem i little weird, im willing to bet those types of people would be willing to go younger if the law allows it, the only thing stopping them from getting with kids is the law
"Freshly 18" means "I'm a 34 year old teenager".
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@ZAMORAK9193blud what is your point. The law has to draw the line somewhere.
@ZAMORAK9193halfway through being 18 is now a child apparently
Go outside
"Freshly 18."
"18 Years and 5 Months Old."
Sounds like age cope. Serious "5th Annual 40th Birthday" vibes.
Her saying that was absolutely cringe. She was almost halfway but she still said she is "freshly 18". Lmao
Her* saying not she saying
@@titaniumgamer_10 Thanks 🖐️
More like 29 for the 4th year in a row vibes.
im 17 years and 229 months old. im still a minor bro.
Z gen thinking sex or an intimate interaction is a quota where everything is asked and not actually discovered by exploration shows how lost they are.
"ShE cRieD iN mY aRms" 😂😂😂
Accusing Minecraft UA-camrs of rape is easy pickings apparently.
Easy clout and content
I would bet that she gained fans and subscribers since then. And that's all she wanted
Their fans are mostly children with absolutely 0 concepts of adult social interactions and relationships. They think they know cause they dated someone in 9th grade lol.
imagine thinking this is ''ok'' to do.Anything for fame,money and clout.Vile. 🤮
I've had more traumatizing prostate exams.
Lit
I think that applies to literally every prostate exam lol
Only thing weird about this is that tom says 18 year olds cant be groomed as if theyre not still teenagers + adults can still get groomed
Yes that's weird af i think he might be a pedo
so thrown off by the constant "I was drunk" argument. before i could drink, i believed that being intoxicated rendered you useless and that you would remember nothing/barely anything. nowadays i know that's not entirely true. just having your wheels wobbling doesn't mean you're a total ragdoll being taken advantage of. crazy.
Caitibuggz is the girl who tries to say that belly tickling is SA
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Well, she said that he touched her breasts.
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I hate to say it, but im gen z and it concerns me that theres quite literally hundeds of thousands if not millions of people my age who will go on absolute witch hunts regarding the george stuff. If people are so willing to do all of this over random strangers online, what will they do to people in their actual lives?
Many don't have very many people in their actual lives.
Imagine if they showed the same dedication in their academics.
if it helps they'll do absolutely nothing, because people talking mad shit online but whimpering the second you give them any irl pushback is a tale as old as the internet itself.
@@Shiruvi Literally all bark no bite.
thankfully, most of them are complete cowards and losers who don't know anyone irl.
I think the problem with Caiti is that she just lacks the experience of hookups, but also life experience of actually communicating with people. There's no excuse to not communicate with someone about how you feel if there's no indication that you are being threatened or controlled. The whole cuddling situation lasted for well over an hour, with her coming and going every once in a while, yet she decides to not say no just because she thinks it will ruin the party? Have more dignity than that, please. If you know you can't handle potential encounters like this at parties with people you've just met, drunk or not, you probably shouldn't be partaking in them, especially if you're too young to be drinking. I obviously know that people, not just women, can feel too afraid to speak up, but at some point you need to say something. You can't just get what you want by letting things happen. You have to communicate, otherwise the other person will be using non-verbal cues to guide encounters. If she talked to him about it the next day or something, they could have totally worked it out. Life's about having tough conversations, and if you can't embrace discomfort or tension in your relationships then life's gonna be rough until you can. If you fail to communicate, you end up in a situation that you might REGRET but that doesn't mean you were SEXUALLY ASSAULTED.
Personally, I avoid dating women under 20-21 completely because of lack of experience. If you're doing a hookup, then I can maybe understand but there's really no reason to not just hookup with someone a little older. In my opinion, it is a little weird to be cuddling with an 18 year-old, especially when your 26, but it's not illegal and if they consent then it's none of my business. I also just prefer women that know how to communicate their thoughts and feelings instead of letting it all sit until it eventually erupts out of nowhere.
I dont understand the sudden claim of 18-19 year olds not being adults and being treated as minors when it comes to another adult interacting with them?? Its honestly pretty wild that these 18-19 yr olds try to claim "grooming" when its literally just... two adults interacting?
Bro I was out there defending George since DAY ONE. And I don't even like the guy's content.
All I knew was that the allegations were dodgy at BEST. Glad to know I was in the right!
Defending a Minecraft UA-camr online kinda gay though
@@pablogarcia6188 You know what else is gay?
The video been out for only 6 minutes just admit you like gobbling George's shlong
@@garymcderp1146your mum
@@garymcderp1146deffo that Pablo guy
"my frIEND cRiEd in mYe fUCKinG aHRms abOUt thIs" 😂
did she consent to be in his arms? he's next on the chopping block of false allegations, just you wait
@@PaulieMcCoyLmao
@@PaulieMcCoy did you ask consent to reply
@@mattryangomez3618 did you have consent to call him out?
as someone who was actually raped at 16 by a 19 year old man, caiti is making a fool out of rape victims. someone flirting and touching with you when you haven't told them to stop is not assault. yknow what was assault? being raped by an adult man when i was 16 so badly i couldn't walk after. it makes me sick that she compares her as an adult flirting with another adult to assault/grooming.
Grown women try to not destroy their friends' careers for online pity points challenge (impossible)
Worst part is? They'll still have dedicated sycophants that will believe their every word.
Misoginistic much?
Adult men try not to advance on any women crossing your way challenge am i right.
@@magical571 if you still believe Caiti, even after watching this video and doing the research (you haven't) check yourself into the nearest psych ward ASAP. It may be your first ever human interaction, but it will be beneficial, for you and many other people. I promise.
@@magical571 lol no, you are not
@@magical571look at the pos trying to defend these types of women. Get lost femcel