Quinn walks you through a little-known issue related to gaining repeatable results when riding in tight full-lock situations. #bmwmotorrad #harleydavidson #policemotorcycle
Quin you are making slow riding skills easier, and your explanations regarding everything you need to implement and know, to be able to control a motorcycle have helped me greatly. I have learnt a lot from other teachers on UA-cam, but you have made slow speed riding for me easier. Really liked balance ball. Thank you.
Hey buddy, that’s great to hear, and I appreciate you taking the time to let me know. Feel free to reach out if anything is unclear or you run into any challenges I can help with.👍
Right on Quinn!! This hits home. I'm an older dude who is doing a lot of parking lot drills lately. I am struggling with steady RPM throttle control in the turns and now I see why. I'm locking out my arms and twisting my whole body in the direction of the turn!! Time to tighten up my core and give your way a go. Thank you for the tips and law enforcement service to our community.
There’s no better feeling than identifying a key ingredient to better help execute technique. Hopefully this helps out, please let me know after you’ve had some seat time. That’s exciting👍
This video is GOLD! Thank you so much Quinn. You are as articulate as your are skilled. The marriage of both talents has helped me grow and build my confidence.
Hi Quinn. I'm anxious to get out and give this some practice tomorrow. It's supposed to be brutally hot again, but I think I can get out in the morning for some riding before I start baking. It should be interesting because the parking lot is one that fits right in with your "Embrace the Suck" video. LOL I would NOT want to wipe out on this pavement. Interestingly enough, it's where the motorcycle riding classes are held. They gave me permission to use their lot any time I want. It has lines painted on it already and everything. I can just bring my own practice cones up there and ride to my heart's content. Your videos are a tremendous inspiration and motivation! Thank you, sir!!
@@soujrnr I am confident I’ve spent hours on the type of pavement you describe, and I agree that stuff is no fun Should bad things happen! Give em hell and keep me posted on your progress!
Very good video Quinn. I only discovered this last summer and it improved my slow speed maneuvers once I addressed it by shifting up closer to the tank
Nice to have you! I will tell you that my techniques-at least some of them, are not standard concepts. In other words, you won't find them anywhere else because I came to them over years of competition and training, so they only exist in my process. I don't say that to imply they are better, or correct, or necessary, but that in some ways a bit unorthodox at first. I CAN promise you that they work within the space I employ them- slow speed, tight environments with bigger motorcycles. 👍
Motor school starts sept 28. I can slalom 21 parking lot blocks on the RT, but my struggle was the repeatability. Thank you!! thank you !! thank you!!!
@@dwziesmer1847 yeah that’s fantastic! If you want a free Zoom session with me to help with any fine tuning or concerns questions you might have, we can sit and talk for a bit. Also you can shoot me a 2 min figure8 ride video if you want any feedback. Quinnredeker@yahoo.com If I can help I’m all in brother👍
Great advice as always! That always appears to be the biggest hindrance people come across when trying to have complete control in cone patterns . I always try to tell students it may not be comfortable at first, but it will become muscle memory overtime. It appears to me too Many people are looking for extreme seat comfort while riding, at a cost of a loss of control to the clutch and throttle
Hey Mike, thanks a lot brother I appreciate the compliment and support. We all have those days when we need a little kick in the rear to remember why we’re doing things, and hearing from people like you definitely help keep me motivated. Thanks for that.👍
That’s great to hear, be cognizant of the seat position not going so low that it continues to pull you away from the bike. I usually opt for a taller seat to get better control when the bike is in motion rather than lose those advantages in exchange for, comfort at stops when my feet go down.
I rode for CHP for 18 years. My left turns always sucked for the opposite reason you explain. I have no left hand dexterity when my arm and wrist are all bent towards me. Patterns with a full-lock left were always a toss-up. 💥🏍️
Thank you for the great advices. However, I'd like to add that using all four fingers on the levers significantly reduces control of the motorcycle. There is no benefit to using all four fingers (trust me, I ride a motorcycle with a very tough clutch lever, I'm not a gym guy, and I can still control the clutch with just two fingers). Allowing the ring and little fingers to grip the handlebar provides more force and precision for steering, while using the other two fingers on the levers results in much better precision for operating the clutch and brake.
@@AlexS-gn9tq I think the general consensus with the “why” related to four fingers, it’s a combination of dexterity and endurance for the clutch hand. Depending on where the friction zone is, four fingers can provide arguably, better fine control, and more strength over time-so in that way I wouldn’t say four fingers is “wrong .“ I need three for solid modulation and fine tuning. As for the question of endurance all day every day working the clutch, I have found two fingers is just not enough over the course of hours and hours living in the friction zone. But to each his own, whatever works for you.👍
Wait a minute now!! LOL!! I know who you are!! It just hit me. You are called "the owl" in competition drills!! I have seen you compete before. I'm glad I came across your channel.
Hah well yeah I guess that’s me! Old reference so I imagine we crossed paths quite a while back. Very cool 👍 Hope you enjoy some of these videos, let me know if I can help you out in any way. Thanks for the shout out!
Training plan: 1. Put your motorcycle on the centerstand in your garage and practice for two years like shown in this video. 2. Take your motorcycle outside, put it on the centerstand and practice for two more years. 3. Take your motorcycle back in the garage. Be sure to put it on the center stand for your own safety. Mount a big screen, sit on the motorcycle and watch videos while screaming "I've done that, I've done that".
Hi Quinn, greetings from the UK. love your instructional videos. Im a retired Police Sgt and now a Motorcycle instructor. Always learning and Ill be adding this explanation to my slow speed teaching. Thank you. ( on faster turns i assume you are counter steering? the video on lean in vs out was great )
Not too much- wider bars require a bit more forward positioning and greater range of motion but not much, while more swept back bars, and those with extensions to move them closer to the rider (bar risers) require less forward positioning. But with those you are causing your body position to be a bit further back-slightly less load on the front tire in tight turning situations. Not a huge deal but might be noticeable if you start trying to get really aggressive with your transitions.
I totally understand your lack of interest when it comes to dropping your motorcycle. But I would argue people confuse full lock with lean angle and or lots of momentum. But I say that full lock is not a destination, it is a byproduct. I think of it like getting someone on a race track and eventually they drag a knee puck. We don’t go out there for the purposes of dragging a knee, but eventually when everything starts to click, the knee will meet the pavement The truth is, you can go full lock both directions while straight up and down going very slow in a tight cone wave. Without any lean angle whatsoever, you can lock the bars full both directions. I’m guessing what you envision when we talk about full lock steering is driving into a tight U-turn or circle and throwing the bike over and slamming the bars as tight as you can get them. And for that, we need a consistent combination of good body positioning, throttle and clutch control, some momentum-but not too much, lean angle, and timing. It’s not hard per se, but in the same way a lock will open up every time, smoothly and easily with the correct combination, The wrong combination will never get you where you need to be. But in the meantime, let’s not hurt your motorcycle or have you get injured and frustrated if you’re missing one or two of the pieces that make this an easy process. Feel free to get me a short two or three minute video of you doing figure 8’s and I can review it and see if we can’t find the missing link to your process so it happens for you. 👍
@@PoliceMotorTraining Thank you so much. It is exactly what I mean, full lock and lean angle. I will make some footage and get back to you. Many thanks !
Quin you are making slow riding skills easier, and your explanations regarding everything you need to implement and know, to be able to control a motorcycle have helped me greatly. I have learnt a lot from other teachers on UA-cam, but you have made slow speed riding for me easier. Really liked balance ball. Thank you.
Hey buddy, that’s great to hear, and I appreciate you taking the time to let me know. Feel free to reach out if anything is unclear or you run into any challenges I can help with.👍
Colorado SP motor/instructor for 16 years, I’ll be sharing this good stuff with our team. Thanks Quinn
Absolutely! And feel free to reach out if I can help in anyway. Thanks.👍
This is a great visual as I go into my first competition next week. Thank you, motorman!
Good luck Becky! Have fun and let me know how it goes 👍💪🏻
Right on Quinn!! This hits home. I'm an older dude who is doing a lot of parking lot drills lately. I am struggling with steady RPM throttle control in the turns and now I see why. I'm locking out my arms and twisting my whole body in the direction of the turn!! Time to tighten up my core and give your way a go. Thank you for the tips and law enforcement service to our community.
There’s no better feeling than identifying a key ingredient to better help execute technique. Hopefully this helps out, please let me know after you’ve had some seat time. That’s exciting👍
Also a fully extended outer arm limits the ability to apply counter-balancing, thanks for the video!
This video is GOLD! Thank you so much Quinn. You are as articulate as your are skilled. The marriage of both talents has helped me grow and build my confidence.
Wow Steven, thanks buddy! Great to hear it’s helping, really appreciate your support and generous message
Hi Quinn. I'm anxious to get out and give this some practice tomorrow. It's supposed to be brutally hot again, but I think I can get out in the morning for some riding before I start baking. It should be interesting because the parking lot is one that fits right in with your "Embrace the Suck" video. LOL I would NOT want to wipe out on this pavement. Interestingly enough, it's where the motorcycle riding classes are held. They gave me permission to use their lot any time I want. It has lines painted on it already and everything. I can just bring my own practice cones up there and ride to my heart's content. Your videos are a tremendous inspiration and motivation! Thank you, sir!!
@@soujrnr I am confident I’ve spent hours on the type of pavement you describe, and I agree that stuff is no fun Should bad things happen! Give em hell and keep me posted on your progress!
Very good video Quinn. I only discovered this last summer and it improved my slow speed maneuvers once I addressed it by shifting up closer to the tank
1st time I have heard anyone talk about and explain this. Subscribed.
Nice to have you! I will tell you that my techniques-at least some of them, are not standard concepts. In other words, you won't find them anywhere else because I came to them over years of competition and training, so they only exist in my process. I don't say that to imply they are better, or correct, or necessary, but that in some ways a bit unorthodox at first. I CAN promise you that they work within the space I employ them- slow speed, tight environments with bigger motorcycles. 👍
Motor school starts sept 28. I can slalom 21 parking lot blocks on the RT, but my struggle was the repeatability. Thank you!! thank you !! thank you!!!
@@dwziesmer1847 yeah that’s fantastic! If you want a free Zoom session with me to help with any fine tuning or concerns questions you might have, we can sit and talk for a bit. Also you can shoot me a 2 min figure8 ride video if you want any feedback. Quinnredeker@yahoo.com If I can help I’m all in brother👍
This video addresses the exact problem I have been having with tight turns (I haven't quite gotten to full-lock circles and figure 8's yet).
Great advice as always! That always appears to be the biggest hindrance people come across when trying to have complete control in cone patterns . I always try to tell students it may not be comfortable at first, but it will become muscle memory overtime. It appears to me too Many people are looking for extreme seat comfort while riding, at a cost of a loss of control to the clutch and throttle
Thank you for your reference points Quinn! 😊
Thank you so much for the tips and tricks ❤
Your point of view here, as well as your excellent print articles, are new to me, and just great. Keep up the good work
Hey Mike, thanks a lot brother I appreciate the compliment and support. We all have those days when we need a little kick in the rear to remember why we’re doing things, and hearing from people like you definitely help keep me motivated. Thanks for that.👍
At 5.6 with crocodile arms this really was a tremendous help.
I use a police seat now and just need more practice.
That’s great to hear, be cognizant of the seat position not going so low that it continues to pull you away from the bike. I usually opt for a taller seat to get better control when the bike is in motion rather than lose those advantages in exchange for, comfort at stops when my feet go down.
Certainly appreciate these insights. Once you have the “basics” of slow speed manoeuvres down, I find your pointers very helpful.
Hey, thank you, I really appreciate that.
A reference point on the bike. So simple. Why didn't I think of that? Thanks.
For shorter Riders with low seats, I have recommended H/B risers to get those arms bent....this way they can have a low seat AND a bend in the arms.
This is fantastic
Thanks for the compliment!
I rode for CHP for 18 years. My left turns always sucked for the opposite reason you explain. I have no left hand dexterity when my arm and wrist are all bent towards me. Patterns with a full-lock left were always a toss-up.
💥🏍️
I’d say 18 years on a motor is a clear indication you were definitely doing something, right👍
Good stuff!
Good job !! 👍
Thanks Peter, I appreciate that 🙏
Thank you for the great advices. However, I'd like to add that using all four fingers on the levers significantly reduces control of the motorcycle. There is no benefit to using all four fingers (trust me, I ride a motorcycle with a very tough clutch lever, I'm not a gym guy, and I can still control the clutch with just two fingers). Allowing the ring and little fingers to grip the handlebar provides more force and precision for steering, while using the other two fingers on the levers results in much better precision for operating the clutch and brake.
@@AlexS-gn9tq I think the general consensus with the “why” related to four fingers, it’s a combination of dexterity and endurance for the clutch hand. Depending on where the friction zone is, four fingers can provide arguably, better fine control, and more strength over time-so in that way I wouldn’t say four fingers is “wrong .“ I need three for solid modulation and fine tuning. As for the question of endurance all day every day working the clutch, I have found two fingers is just not enough over the course of hours and hours living in the friction zone. But to each his own, whatever works for you.👍
Great video Quinn.
🙏 thanks
Wait a minute now!! LOL!! I know who you are!! It just hit me. You are called "the owl" in competition drills!! I have seen you compete before. I'm glad I came across your channel.
Hah well yeah I guess that’s me! Old reference so I imagine we crossed paths quite a while back. Very cool 👍 Hope you enjoy some of these videos, let me know if I can help you out in any way. Thanks for the shout out!
Training plan:
1. Put your motorcycle on the centerstand in your garage and practice for two years like shown in this video.
2. Take your motorcycle outside, put it on the centerstand and practice for two more years.
3. Take your motorcycle back in the garage. Be sure to put it on the center stand for your own safety. Mount a big screen, sit on the motorcycle and watch videos while screaming "I've done that, I've done that".
Great info, How does it combine with the balance ball position with the bike leaned ?
Hi Quinn, greetings from the UK. love your instructional videos. Im a retired Police Sgt and now a Motorcycle instructor. Always learning and Ill be adding this explanation to my slow speed teaching. Thank you. ( on faster turns i assume you are counter steering? the video on lean in vs out was great )
Yes, absolutely. Slow stuff is a beast of itself, different music, different dance 👍
Like the old saying nutt the tank
Very helpful ,how do the different styles of handlebars influence here? thank you
Not too much- wider bars require a bit more forward positioning and greater range of motion but not much, while more swept back bars, and those with extensions to move them closer to the rider (bar risers) require less forward positioning. But with those you are causing your body position to be a bit further back-slightly less load on the front tire in tight turning situations. Not a huge deal but might be noticeable if you start trying to get really aggressive with your transitions.
Some bar risers might help
I am not able to get my bike in full lock. My body position is ok. I think I am to afraid of dropping the bike. Hard one for me.
I totally understand your lack of interest when it comes to dropping your motorcycle. But I would argue people confuse full lock with lean angle and or lots of momentum. But I say that full lock is not a destination, it is a byproduct. I think of it like getting someone on a race track and eventually they drag a knee puck. We don’t go out there for the purposes of dragging a knee, but eventually when everything starts to click, the knee will meet the pavement
The truth is, you can go full lock both directions while straight up and down going very slow in a tight cone wave. Without any lean angle whatsoever, you can lock the bars full both directions.
I’m guessing what you envision when we talk about full lock steering is driving into a tight U-turn or circle and throwing the bike over and slamming the bars as tight as you can get them. And for that, we need a consistent combination of good body positioning, throttle and clutch control, some momentum-but not too much, lean angle, and timing.
It’s not hard per se, but in the same way a lock will open up every time, smoothly and easily with the correct combination, The wrong combination will never get you where you need to be. But in the meantime, let’s not hurt your motorcycle or have you get injured and frustrated if you’re missing one or two of the pieces that make this an easy process.
Feel free to get me a short two or three minute video of you doing figure 8’s and I can review it and see if we can’t find the missing link to your process so it happens for you. 👍
@@PoliceMotorTraining Thank you so much. It is exactly what I mean, full lock and lean angle. I will make some footage and get back to you. Many thanks !
Get on the front of your seat! Works great.
All that to say……🥜 on the tank.
Haha well in part, 👍 yes