Man VS Bear: Round 2
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I was one of those guys who consistently lost to "the bad guy."
Those bad guys give a bad rep to all guys. Good guys constantly hear that men are horrible, but also hear that good guys aren't exciting (at least in the US). Good guys sometimes get frustrated by all the negative labeling, when they themselves just want to have a loving relationship.
While traveling abroad, this previously undesireable "good guy" eventually met a woman who was never interested in bad guys. She was easy to talk with, had good taste in music, food, philosophy, etc, and was down to Earth.
If I hadn't met her, I'd still be single, but we've been married 10 years now. Greetings from S. Korea.
Sorry to all the men and women struggling in the dating world. The best advice I can give is, if you're single, ENJOY IT! Holy crap, what a great thing it is to be single. And if you're in a relationship, ENJOY IT! :)
Excellent team!❤
Living in a industrial capitalist society numbs us to feeling the empathy we are born with, so we have to work to maintain our empathy. Having empathy is not always easy, but the more you practice empathy, the easier it becomes.
A bear won’t drone on and on about sports for hours on end.
As someone who has strong PTSD being attacked by men (average men & homeless) on the streets to being almost kidnapped on 3 separate occasions starting once when I was 15yo, to last being 27yo, people who say that women wanting to be with a bear than a man is misandry, are to be questioned here as unempathetic creatures. I don't trust many men, even including my own father. I have been the subject of too much abuse BECAUSE of misogyny. But those men who will victim blame or give me advice will NEVER see it as such. They will never emphasize until they see it happen for themselves (like my previous ex-boyfriend who never believed me until he unfortunately became apart of the violence one day because of the man who followed me). He believed me at knife point. He cried to me over and over telling me he was sorry he never believed someone could go through so much abuse. I don't know what to say. Misogyny is killing women. And anyone who fights against women on this matter, in my eyes, is apart of the problem. Either you ARE these people who hurt women or you purposely choose ignorance. Pathetic.
Good conversation, thanks! 🙌
It makes me laugh every time someone tries to defend picking the bear by saying it won't be hungry. Man, it's a bear. They're almost always hungry. 😂
Ok but consider this: Manbearpig
Are you super cereal!
I'd rather hang out with a pig. They're smarter than dogs and I love dogs.
Fear isn't real. One person being afraid of another doesn't equate to reality. If we model our behaviors around what people are afraid of, we are ceding our intellectual capacity to emotional reactions.
Can anyone in the "team bear" reply to my two questions: Is it bigoted to compare people to dangerous animals based on their immutable characteristics (sex, gender, race, nationality... etc)? If it's not, can you name two of these that are fair game, that aren't "white" and "man"?
Having responsibility or taking responsibility is different. You are not responsible for anything. Taking responsibility regardless is a virtue!
So the caller called out the woman’s bad behavior and felt bad about it. Would he have felt bad if it were a man, how about an elderly man or a man a lot smaller than him? I see nothing wrong with calling out bad behavior, you can make the argument that he could have done it better like “Excuse me but I think you cut in front of me.”
The bank robber analogy is very poor I too don’t worry if the news reports that a man robbed a bank and somehow they’ll think it’s me.
So if I understand your argument if anyone feels attacked by this question they’re either 1.) stupid or 2.) bad. “The feeling becomes the problem not the thing that elicited it.” Wow that’s a very scary statement. So, if someone says “Women are gold-diggers” if you’re offended it’s either your stupid or you’re a gold-digger, right?
As far as how someone responses (as long as it isn’t a threat) to your statements, who are you to dictate how we express ourselves?
This is simple to understand. When a bear encounters a person in the woods, it either flees or attacks based on how it perceives the potential threat. It doesn't really matter to the bear if it is a woman or a man.
So, for a woman seeing a bear, she understands the risk isn't different because she's a woman.
But when she sees a strange man in the woods, she has to consider different potential actions. Some unknown number of men would attack her, but not because she's a threat, but because she's a target.
The bear can be scared away, and would rather not attack her. The man is an unknown threat.
Does anyone know whats with the JR. JR.? in sydneys name
What the fuck lmao
As a man who has been in many forests, I too have pooped in the woods. Like me, my bear brother would also run away from the woman.
These two are a good pairing on the show. Both are smart and quite decent, sometimes to a fault. Sydney is very cool and charming. I don't think she's a vampire, though. Maybe an alien of some kind? She's sort of otherworldly. Fascinating.
Some kind of pixie
I thought this was a reasonable thought experiment at first, but then someone made an analogy: would you rather be stuck in the forest with a black person or a bear?
And I certainly have a lot of issues with that question, and I can't find a categorical difference between this and that. There is certainly the difference of majority vs minority, and that's an important factor, but it doesn't seem like a categorical differentiator.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with women choosing the bear, and I have an issue with the men who have an issue with that. I don't have an issue with the answers, but we have to look at the question, too, and consider purpose it serves to ask it (whether intended or not). I'm also not saying the question is necessarily bad and only bad. It could help bring awareness to the issue to help us address it, but it could also reinforce stereotypes and create or exaggerate fears.
There's nothing wrong with asking the question.
Why would women respond that way?
@Notallbears.
What the hell was this about? What bear, what survey? A little background would be helpful.
Some TikTok street interview asked woman if they were walking in the woods if they would rather encounter a bear or a man they didn’t know.
Most of them answered “bear” and now everyone has to bend over backwards and pretend that wasn’t the dumbest thing to say.
So far it’s not going well because it’s just that dumb and exposes how unrealistic women’s fear of men is so they are hard to take seriously.
@@ryonalionthunderwhy do you think you get to determine how realistic women’s fear of men is?
@@joshuaporterfield6774 because they are obviously factually wrong about man/bear.
So their fear is irrationally out of proportion.
"They are obviously factually wrong."
That's it, folks, conversation over. No nuance or further input needed.
.../s
@@AbsurdlyGeeky Suppose we asked a bunch of arachnophobes whether they would rather be locked in a room with a bear or a spider. When most of them choose bear, are we going to pretend they might have a point?
Of course not.
This man/bear thing is just as irrational.
That said, it might still be a conversation to see why these people have such obviously unrealistic fears.
consider the conversation of choosing Bear or ... spider for someone with arachnophobia, snakes for someone suffering from ophidiophobia, ... etc.... its all irrational... Do people not realize the sheer number of random, strange people they encounter on a daily basis?
considering the failures of men's rights, you would think there would be a larger conversation around why men are choosing the bear vs women; while less likely to be physically harmed, the potential for emotional, financial, and reputational harm is much greater.
Claims of SA (to a friend group) does not require law involvement, but can cause great harm to the man; and most will not be able to get a lawyer for a defamation suit. A guy found looking at a thirst trap could easily get labeled as a creep.
maybe the conversation isnt necessarily how men can change, as the expectation relies on the change to the absolute minority of the population.
Maybe the conversation should be on why women (people in general, really) are focusing on the worst (>1% of a population) and making the assumption that every part of the population is that bad.
This argument is the equivalent of saying that because a person of a certain type of demographic harmed you in some way in your past that gives you license to discriminate against all individuals of the same demographic. For example, it would be like saying because I got robbed by a person of a specific ethnicity that I'm justified of being cautious and mistrusting of every other person of that ethnicity. It's just silly.
Nothing like a dose of good old misandrist drivel to show how virtuous and morally superior you are. Proof you dont need a god to be holier than thou.
I happen to be one of those guys who asked those questions yesterday in the about the bear issue but I could not get anyone to really engage without being aggressive themsevles. I was called a misogynistic incell for really wanting to try and understand their point of view by asking questions respectfully. Really makes it difficult to talk to others from the other side when they are genuinely asking questions.
Welcome to the internet and self selection bias.
People see what they want to see and cocoon themselves in nice, safe echo chambers.
You did nothing wrong, there's no answer you'll get from misandrists, it's just pure man-hate.
Keep trying. Some folks are angry, upset and prone to lash out on the internet. Lots of us go through phases including anger and rage when we feel a taste of liberation.
@@grumpyoldman6503 I had just hoped that in this channels comments of all places... people would be not only tolerant and understanding to opposing beliefs... but able to have discourse that followed the same exercises in logic. Unfortunately it felt like most of the callers that call in to these shows, not addressing what was asked, or focusing on things that had no impact to the discussion at hand. Was really disappointed.
If you have to ask why a woman would be afraid of a man more than a bear, you are especially ignorant, and that is a good indication that you are one of the men to be afraid of. Also, "respectfully" is a subjective term. When you talk to people who are used to being attacked by men (women), you (a man), need to be especially careful in the words you use. Even if you are, you should not expect them to trust you. Men can be very deceptive with their words.
Yes I understand the concept and the answers given. But : A choice of any bear and any man is absurd. A Polar Bear or Grizzly and you wouldn't survive. The average man isn't a killer or a criminal kind . . . so better choose the man. A Panda Bear and a escaped serial killer then better go with the bear. Is the woman in a huge forest or 300 ft. from a highway ?Is the bear standing next to her or 10 miles away ?
It's not meant to be real, just a stage to make a statement about men. Silly question.
Way to miss the whole point.
@@Godless_Docway to be glib and ignorant. If you REALLY cared about getting the point across them advocate for better wording and phrasing of the question, so people don’t misunderstand your intentions. Btw I don’t care if you feel fluffed up and scared because you may see this reply as “aggressive” that’s your problem.
Good job missing the entire point and empathizing with women 🤦🏻♀️ this is why your intelligence on social dynamic is at a very low point.
@@onlinetruth9979do men's feelings get hurt? Cause that's what it sounds like.
@@pepolite4082 imagine trying to use shaming language like “oh ur feelings got hurt lol” instead of actually make a real argument
As a guy, I say bear too.
I feel like, if expositing the daily experience of women was the point of the question, then it shouldn't have been phrased like that. The question is pretty clear: random man or random bear in the forest? All else equal. A woman's experiences walking alone at night in a city have NOTHING to do with this question.
This is why i don't like your all's responses to these questions. You seem perfectly happy to let some reason go to the wayside in favor of modern social commentary.
I get the feeling that, if the question was something specifically about the truth of Christianity, and someone arguing on the pro side said "well the question isn't REALLY about the truth of Christianity, it's actually about the experience of such and such in modern society", you wouldn't even begin to let that fly in conversation. So why are you doing it here and in the last video on this topic?
Edit: to be fair, i don't know you two as well as other hosts, so maybe you would let it fly. But if Matt or someone heard a caller smuggle in a veiled discussion of modern social sensibilities into a question that was specifically about the truth of Christianity, he would absolutely Rip. Them. To. Shreds. So my point remains; i don't particularly like that when the smuggled topic is one of your personal pet topics you let it through and even sympathize with and endorse it.
I agree with you... Its weird with so many people saying "you didn't understand" and they dont think, perhaps the point was not expressed well enough... Should we be more thinking its like when a person says "well I would rather get hit by a car then visit the in laws"? because thats not meant to be taken seriously and if thats what they mean then we cant take this statement seriously too... but i think they mean for us to take it seriously... but when we do we get told we missed the point? It just seems so circular.
@@tcunero right? And I'm not sure if they did in this video, but a couple days ago they had another call about this, and the take on it was roughly that if women are answering bear instead of man at these rates, then really it's an indicator that men need to look at themselves in the mirror and consider what they're doing wrong. But something tells me that these same hosts wouldn't take the same approach to black people in America. "Well if black people are seen as more threatening than non blacks in general, maybe it's really the blacks who need to take a look in the mirror and consider what they're doing wrong." Yeah I don't think so. These are just awful takes imho.
@@patrickshepherd1341 I commented on that other video too, (even mention that in this one), and I got verbally assaulted and ridiculed for merely asking questions. No one from an opposing point of view was actually willing to have a conversation. Its just like when religious callers call in and just ignore everything being said while spouting their own nonsense. I expected better from this community. I even thought of the same analogy you made and wondered if that would have been the message. Very sad.
@@tcunero oh right, I saw your other comment here. Didn't put 2 and 2 together lol. You're exactly right, though. So much of the argumentation on the pro-bear side is just special pleading and conflation. "That guy in the woods could be an incredibly rare super violent guy." "My day to day experience in the city involves worrying about men more than bears, so I'd feel more comfortable in the woods with a bear." These are just nonsense arguments that totally ignore the question itself.
I get where you're coming from, man. It seems like "left" shows are willing to suspend rationality for contemporary social issues, and "right" shows suspend rationality for Christianity. I don't know about you, but I feel like I can't catch a break anymore. It seems like there are no dogma free zones.
@@patrickshepherd1341 Hit the nail on the head. There are people on both sides of the aisle, who can to use reason for things they agree with and not use it for things they disagree with. Then both sides point to the other at the hypocrisy, while not realizing they are both right.
Ok hear me out: you get stuck with a bear, you either get killed or eaten, but if you get stuck with a man, and if that person thinks of something bad to do with you, at least you would have a bigger chance of surviving and killing that person. A bear can weigh at least 2 people and they will attack on sight when super hungry.