For me, one of the saddest deaths was Captain Lisa Cusak in DS9 "The Sound of Her Voice". She builds a relationship with the crew, only to have it rendered moot because she died years before, but nobody knew about it. One of my favorites, but really a letdown in the end.
The most pointless death was Jadzia Dax, the actress didn’t even wish to leave the show, just appear in episodes less often but for some reason they gave her an ultimatum to stay fully or leave.
Was just thinking the same thing. Trekculture often make these little but obvious mistakes like this that don't help them look like the superfans they make themselves out to be.
@@tobiaswhaley7030 it's glaringly obvious that there are about 3-4 people that are extemely knowledgeable and the rest watch other UA-cam videos to make their UA-cam video
@@AdmiralBlackstar True (I enjoyed Ezri and Worf's storyline), but that writing came after the fact... Terry Ferrell's departure was pointless, and Jadzia's death was emotionally pointless because it was simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
do not think she got to that part yet, it was clear she do not know half of what she was thinking about. I could only think she had not seen it are it was only when she was a kid and did not understand what was going on.
@@jackdubz4247 I was fully expecting Jadzia to be on this list because she died because the infamously sexist Star Trek producer Rick Berman wouldn’t give her a lighter shooting schedule with good pay like Colm Meaney had gotten for O’Brien.
Actually, These Are The Voyages would be a great episode if 1) Trip didn't die and 2) it wasn't a series finale. All Strange New Worlds has to do is include a crew member who says they're the descendant of the engineer of the NX-01, and we'll know Trip survived.
I believe that it was never intended to be a finale. My view is that they had delayed filming due to a planned special event of including TNG characters in it, unfortunately, they then got the news of the show being cancelled and wanted to ram as much into it for stories they wanted while also dealing with needing to keep the Riker part in it. Basically, the delay in cancellation meant that a lot of things got pushed into the episode to have it be an ending rather than just leaving everything up in the air.
Another option is to have Riker and Troi discover that the holodeck they used for Riker's guilt trip resolution,, involving the NX-01, was malfunctioning. Nothing unusual for the Enterprise D.
@@AzraelThanatos my understanding was the founding of the federation/the earth romulan war was what they had planned for the thrust of season 5 but as it wasn't to be they just did what they could in a single episode.
I'd like to add Hugh to the list. His death in Picard season 1 was entirely unneccesary, plus it means we won't see a Hugh/Geordi reunion in season 3...
That's one that needed to be in the top 5 for me. Because not only was it poor for what we lost, but it didn't serve the story. It didn't advance anyone's motivations, it didn't give the Romulans anything. It just felt like the writers didn't know what to do with him after that episode so they killed him to not worry about it.
@@Mitharan23 exactly, imagine if he'd lived and had to come to terms with the fact that so many like him had died BECAUSE of Picard. It could have led to some good character interaction and growth.
Tasha Yar's death in TNG was huge for me as a kid. Never in any show I'd seen did a main character get axed so suddenly and unceremoniously. For the entire rest of the series I felt that no one was safe, that any threat could spell the death of another of my favourite characters. For me, it gave the series so much more weight and stakes.
Good point; I don't think the end of S2 would've been so suspenseful, for example. I would've just thought, "No way they'll kill the captain!" But that following summer was hell. Hell, I tell ya!
Don't forget that Lieutenant Carey dies 3 episodes before the series finale where a future version of Janeway goes back in time so that she could prevent the death of Seven of Nine. So if future Janeway had just gone back in time a few weeks more, she could have also prevented the death of Lieutenant Carey.
That was a pretty unforgivable sin by the Voyager writing staff. Carey made it through the entire Delta quadrant, only to be killed at the very end of the series - in an episode unrelated to the finale!
@@chuffykow well he hadn't appeared since halfway through season 1... except in flashbacks. I like sfdebris's theory that they thought they'd killed him, realized they hadn't, then fixed that mistake.
You remind me of when Kim and Chakotay time travelled back to the frozen planet. Why didn't they just go back to before the Caretaker zapped them to the Delta Quadrant?
@@daydreamer8662 The frozen planet is the present for old Harry and Chakotay, it's where they find Voyager crashed so the can hopefully send a message to the past and prevent the crash. They don't time travel.
Everytime they have a different "presenter," they never know anything about Star Trek. It's so stupid. They're so desperate to make more content that they let people who know nothing do these stupid videos and it always backfires because they're always terrible.
It would have been nice to see Hugh on the list as well, once again Star Trek Picard's writers think getting cheap reactions out of viewers is the same as getting a true emotional reaction out of them.
Denise Crosby returned to ST:TNG as a Romulan clone did she? You've clearly not watched ST:TNG very closely. Otherwise you'd know that she returned NOT as a clone, but as the daughter of Tasha following the events of the episode Yesterday's Enterprise. Where Tasha went back as a crew member of the Enterprise C and was captured by the Romulans in the past.
We already know that Trip did not die, even without the books. Seeing how he was acting well being placed in the sickbays diagnostic tube, well Archer and the Doctor trade knowing glances, says it all right there.
I have to say that you really missed the mark on DS9, when you put the Klingon death above Jadzia Dax. She really could have been elevated to the death that need not be. I do understand the reason, as just like Denise Crosby, Terry Farrell wished to leave the show. But the killing was not needed. As for Tripp, totally felt the writers were just done with the series, as they couldn’t seem to get away from a bad story arc, and move forward to save the show. But it really went sour, When they killed off Tripp. I’ve said this many times, that the producers don’t listen to the fans, who ultimately are the reason Star Trek still exists.
The finale was written by the series creators. It was a 'love letter to Trek fans'. Braga has since apologized. Enterprise was taken from them in S4 and it improved. Bringing them back for the finale was horrible.
I dont think tv ratings reflected this though if i recall correctly. Id like to say that ds9 didnt gain most of its popularity with the fans until it was off the air
I do remember that when ds9 1st came out (shit im getting old) a lot of people myself included were turned off by the fact it wasnt centered around a starship which is why i went over to voyager (i know i know....SHAME!)
The deaths I completely agree should be on this list were Trip's, Tasha Yar's, Keyla's, and Icheb's. The two named that should top the list in senseless deaths should have been Data at #2 and James T. Kirk at #1. All they did was bring them into movies just to kill them off. Other deaths to consider as senseless for the list are Miramanee (Kirk's wife) and Jadxia Dax.
Trip's death feels like a slap in the face. Its like the writers wanted to say "Oh you like this dhow now? Well screw you!" Trip was the character who I felt devoped the most during all of Enterprise, going from a guy who distrusted Vulcans and felt very new for the job to one the possible father of yhe first Vulcan Human hybrid and an amazing Chief Engineer... Having him die like that, and not even to advance his own plot, but the storyline of Riker from an episode that had come out years before? It was an insult what they did to him, plain and simple
On par with reintroducing a character in Picard to be killed off, Hugh! This one was more of a sucker punch, because we'd seen Hugh's new job on the reclamation project, his reunion with Picard, and relationship with Soji and other cast members, to get neck sliced by a Romulan vigilante? Like it wasn't even a heroic death of dying so Elnor could escape, he gets sliced and dies in Elnor's arms. Like what the hell? You had a character reintroduced, with massive growth and purpose, and Picard writers just went "Nah." Also he's Borg, and couldn't be saved or revived? We know you lying
ST: Picard kills off THREE, not just one, significant characters who guess starred on Star Trek series. Icheb, as mentioned, obviously. But also Bruce Maddox and Hugh, the Borg drone the Enterprise crew planted a logic bomb into, who managed to escape from the collective because of it. They were all rather pointless deaths.
Hugh was a gut punch, but that's what it took for Picard to get over his shit. Icheb I didn't mind quite as much, since the original actor is a terrible person in real life. Maddox, yeah, that was kinda pointless
the two security guards beamed into space in AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD; the transporter seemed to be operated with about as much care as pocket-dialling a mobile phone - there was no checking where they'd be beaming anybody, no communicating with the guards already on the planet that they were about to beam up, nothing in the transporter process that showed a red light when the ship was on warp drive (of course, in the Abrams movies, it was possible to beam across interstellar distances into a ship moving at warp speeds - except that that sounds a plausible means of instantaneous long-distance transportation than ruby slippers)
Because her death kinda serves the plot. Scince Jadzia is a Dax her story continues with Ezri. I mean they could have handled the whole situation much better but it wasn´t a pointless death in that way.
Back when I was covering ENTERPRISE for my TREK REPORT column @ IGN FilmForce, I wrote a perfect opening scene for the first episode of the next season where Trip is walking with Archer and complaining about a new "trash video novel" about the ship & crew. It becomes obvious that he's talking about the previous season's episode when he complains about getting killed off. Archer tries to calm Trip down by telling him, "It's fiction. Everybody knows that!". Trip responds, "This is the sort of thing that has been mistaken for actual history before. What if people a 100 years from now think this is what really happened?" Archer stops and looks Trip in the eye. "Well, by then, you'll actually be dead so why worry about it?" And on we go.......
I always thought and hoped that the inconsistency in the last episode of ENT, was due to a corrupted or hacked holographic program. Trip must be alive, even if hidden, but he must be alive, perhaps with a secret child from T'pol. It would have been a good storyline for the new prequel series to have a secret son or descendant character of Trip partially Vulcan.
The Trip is alive thing seems like something that would have been a major thing for a season side story thing and would tie into the various Section 31 pieces shown, and him dying would work rather well as a cliffhanger ending to reveal the other later in the next season.
Like, it had to have been written by somebody who had heard a story from somebody who might've known.... something. Like, what's a better story to tell? He rigged an explosion that made a sacrifice, or he rigged a concussive blast of some kind that knocked everbody out, he gets away with maybe some major injuries to his hands that cause him to re-think his career, and he decides to retire. What sells more books? (Money was still kind of a thing ENT-era, right?)
So, my personal "canon", the final episode of ENT was indeed Riker getting drunk and altering a holodeck program. Meanwhile, in real life, Trip and T'pol realized they genuinely love each other, got married and there's an unaired Star Trek sitcom about their wacky adventures as an intergalactic married couple. Admit it, that would be a great spinoff
Janeway didn't recognise Sulu when she met him in Tuvok's mind in Voyager because he didn't look like his own hologram. I have always taken holoprograms with a grain of salt, because it's very clear they're composed by someone after the fact in cases like this. Tripp may have died, but it's not a given.
Well, I foresee a part 2 to this, cos there's even more pointless deaths to be looked at, there's also Sito Jaxa in TNG "Lower Decks", who lost her life in a mission that to be honest was a bit much for such a young ensign to have taken on...
I know that crappy TNG season seven episode, one of many set on the holodeck, said otherwise, but Trip was very much alive in the Star Trek: Enterprise series finale, Terra Prime.
Haven't checked the aggregate scores, but I think you'll find fans liked The Pegasus episode just fine. 😉 If a Riker/Troi cameo was a given, idk why they didn't just set their scenes on the Titan holodeck.
Wait Trip was alive? He was my favourite character (even though the actor really disliked working on star trek it seems) and I was sure he died on that episode when Archer founds the proto-federation (and IMDB said These are the voyages was the finale.) Am I forgetting something?
Slightly off topic - but related to Red Shirt deaths - I often wonder about decisions made by Captain Kirk. In the end of Space Seed, Kirk makes a unilateral decision that I suspect he could not have made if Star Fleet were a real organization with real bureaucracy. Think about how many crew members died at the hands of Khan and associates while attempting to take the ship. If even 1 died, Kirk could not drop all charges and in fact could have ended up being court marshaled for not turning them over to a star base for due process.
You need to check your research better. The “Romulan Clone” was Tasha Yar’s daughter. A simpler way to say Trip didn’t die would be that Trip didn’t sacrifice himself it was “Chef” . Riker just changed historical event in the holodeck. I thought it would be funny if Chef is Riker’s ancestor.
Yeah, Sela is the legit biological daughter of Tasha Yar and a Romulan Admiral, NOT a clone. Also, I tend to regard as "Chief" as the guy who sacrificed himself, not Trip and as far as I'm concerned, the episode with Riker in it never happened. It's as non-canon as the episode where the Enterprise was bested and captured by 8 Ferengi with hand phasers in two outdated birds of prey in my opinion.
I refuse to watch the last episode of enterprise now. It’s a massive insult to kill off trip like that, it’s also a insult to turn the series final into a holodeck simulation for a cross over with TNG which makes it less impactful. I consider the terra prime double episode the season final.
When Enterprise was first on I did not much like it for many reason. I rewatched it about a year ago, like it a lot more. It helped already knowing the "fully" developed characters. I had totally forgotten the stupid way Trip was killed off. I found myself really upset.
@@PaulFagundes Ive been rewatching each season in time order (TNG > DS9 > Voy > Ent > Repeat) since i was like 12 (33 now) and there are not many episodes that i skip but the season final of enterprise really shits me off.
(1:00-2:20): could have been titled Death of the Red Shirts. (14:30-): no death, and I mean NO DEATH, is more pointless than Tripps--seventeen-years later and I'm STILL pissed😡
Bite the bullet does NOT mean what you guys seem to think it means. The actual meaning is to grit your teeth and do something you know you have to do but don't want to - hence the biting of a bullet ("Bite down on this, it's going to hurt!). You keep using it like "bite the dust". That's the expression you're looking for. I know this is weird, but there's this whole google thing that would save you the embarrassment of making this error.
4:20 This one is especially unfortunate as Weasley Crusher had been manning the con just before this happened, and he returned to the con just after it happened. I reckon Weasley had just taken the most well timed bathroom break in the history of Star Fleet. Well timed for Weasley, not so much for Haskell.
Trip's death was pointless and in a terrible episode, but Tasha's death was completely pointless. At least Trip died trying to save his friends... kind of.
You should have included Hugh from TNG when HE was killed in Picard. (I scrolled down, and someone else beat me to this point, but still, it's a good point.)
I disagree about Kozak being pointless. That storyline eventually resulted in the marriage of Worf and Jadzia, and that alone made it worth it for the show (and for Worf).
I still can't get over the death of Tuvix. That was straight up murder and the entire crew not only did nothing to stop it from happening but Tuvix told the crew his death would weight heavily on their minds for not interfering. Not only it didn't, I don't think anyone even thought about him for a second. Wow!
*one of the many things that bothered me about that particular episode was given the technology they had, what was stopping them or preventing them from cloning Tuvix or at least preserving his DNA in stasis for later?...there was no reason he could not have been preserved as a hologram/photonic entity...sure the EMH would be reluctant to share his mobile emitter with him but of all the members of the crew he was the one who stood up and voiced opposition to Janeway's decision...*
11:55 Denise Crosby decided to be removed from TNG, despite their objections. The fashion in which they removed her and Terry Farrell, would always land them in "Hot Water" with us, the viewers anyways.
It sad that Discovery creators killed off Airiam, if she's survived and sent also to 32nd Century, I can only imagined what kind of cybernetic and medical improvements she would receive.
Trip is definitely not dead... that final "episode" was nothing more that Riker playing with the holodeck... has nothing to do with reality and should have simply been ignored...
And Sela is as indestructible as a cockroach as any STO player would tell you...she can't even be kept in a high security prison without her finding some way out to cause more problems. And then there's the gutpunch episode about her and what actually happened to Tasha with Sela breaking down over the course of the mission.
More than any other episode, Skin of Evil scared the sh*t out of me as a kid. Like, Darth Vader condemned to live in a pool of tar. It's still an episode I cannot watch.
Was there ever a story written somewhere, that had Armis show up again? Getting offplanet somehow? I also thought it very strange that the shuttle crashed on the very area where a sentient, oily puddle of ooze lived, in a vast world where it was otherwise pretty empty. I just pictured Armis getting out into the cosmos somehow, trying his torture tricks, and going, basically, "Damn. Nothing out here amuses me, either!" Mostly because he doesn't know any other way to find "amusement". He'd be like SCP 682, watching something like the Dominion War and sneering, _"Pathetic."_
The deaths of the 800 million Cardassians on Cardassia Prime in DS9's Season Finale was meant to show how ruthless the Female Changeling was, to build up how costly freeing themselves was for the Cardassians and how the Cardassians ended up paying dearly for their pride and for oppressing the Bajorans in the past. It was also meant to mirror how devastated Germany and Japan were at the end of WW2 and how many at the time feel that the Germans and Japanese got what they deserved for their own crimes. I get though that their deaths were pointless and that they were victims of the Female Changeling throwing a temper tantrum that she didn't get her way and wanted to make victory for the Federation and its allies as costly as possible "to keep them from going into the Gamma Quadrant and destroy the Great Link".
For *These are the Voyages* , they should brought back all the captains from the TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY from their respective timeline (Sisko with the Prophets and Kirk before the events of *Generation* ) to retrospect events that lead to the creation of the Federation, instead of it being a holodeck program set during the *Pegasus* episode.
I never understood Voyager's casting. Carey had 4 appearance the first season, disappeared for 2 seasons, and then three subsequent appearances, 1 per season. I guess budget constraints got too tight?
For me, one of the saddest deaths was Captain Lisa Cusak in DS9 "The Sound of Her Voice". She builds a relationship with the crew, only to have it rendered moot because she died years before, but nobody knew about it. One of my favorites, but really a letdown in the end.
And then the next episode we lose Jadzia, such a devastating 1-2 punch.
The ol' Q-scrotum!
Many Trek fans still do not give DS9 its proper due.
@@d.1.a_mayby18 Correct!
Now that I know she's dead, rewatching it just sucks, so I usually skip it.
The most pointless death was Jadzia Dax, the actress didn’t even wish to leave the show, just appear in episodes less often but for some reason they gave her an ultimatum to stay fully or leave.
she was a personal favorite too, maybe a crowd favorite. Chief O'brien is my guy though
Pointless in reality, but within the narrative it was very meaningful and impactful.
@@ClarinoI I disagree
Plus when Worf remembered his time there,he only thought about Ezri Dax,not Jazdia..
@@elim_inator very sad to hear..I guess she was perhaps upset at the time.?
Sela was not a romulan clone. She was the legit daughter of Tasha Yar (from the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline) and a romulan commander.
What they said
Was just thinking the same thing.
Trekculture often make these little but obvious mistakes like this that don't help them look like the superfans they make themselves out to be.
This annoyed me so much, it's not even a subtly hinted detail. Sela telling Picard about alternate Yar's fate was pretty open and specific.
@@tobiaswhaley7030 it's glaringly obvious that there are about 3-4 people that are extemely knowledgeable and the rest watch other UA-cam videos to make their UA-cam video
they need a editer to check over thier list before that upload is, to stop this from happening
Where is Jadzia? Her death was extremely pointless
Agreed!!
Not completely. It gave us more Worf character development, Ezri, and insight into the complications of trills moving on from one host to another.
@@AdmiralBlackstar True (I enjoyed Ezri and Worf's storyline), but that writing came after the fact... Terry Ferrell's departure was pointless, and Jadzia's death was emotionally pointless because it was simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
do not think she got to that part yet, it was clear she do not know half of what she was thinking about. I could only think she had not seen it are it was only when she was a kid and did not understand what was going on.
He death had a great weight and point to it. That point was "Don't try and renegotiate you contract." ;)
I absolutely love that you say "martial arts skill" at the same time as showing Yar do a little kick towards the ferengi. Hilarious
Your list missed the death of Dax in Deep Space 9.
You mean the death of Jadzia, right? Because Dax was very much alive all throughout the following season.
@@jackdubz4247 I was fully expecting Jadzia to be on this list because she died because the infamously sexist Star Trek producer Rick Berman wouldn’t give her a lighter shooting schedule with good pay like Colm Meaney had gotten for O’Brien.
@@Popcultureguy3000 Rick Berman will never stop being Rick Berman.
Especially since it was pure petulance on the part of Rick Berman that caused her to be killed off rather than just leave.
Yes. How could they miss Jadzia's totally pointless death?
You forgot the yeoman who was killed just to demonstrate the Kelvan's power in "by Any Other Name" in the original series.
Actually, These Are The Voyages would be a great episode if 1) Trip didn't die and 2) it wasn't a series finale. All Strange New Worlds has to do is include a crew member who says they're the descendant of the engineer of the NX-01, and we'll know Trip survived.
I believe that it was never intended to be a finale. My view is that they had delayed filming due to a planned special event of including TNG characters in it, unfortunately, they then got the news of the show being cancelled and wanted to ram as much into it for stories they wanted while also dealing with needing to keep the Riker part in it.
Basically, the delay in cancellation meant that a lot of things got pushed into the episode to have it be an ending rather than just leaving everything up in the air.
I, too, hoped that a character would be a descendant of his ( maybe even hiding such descent or hiding being partially Vulcan...)
Another option is to have Riker and Troi discover that the holodeck they used for Riker's guilt trip resolution,, involving the NX-01, was malfunctioning. Nothing unusual for the Enterprise D.
The only person who didn't have a problem with Trip dying, was Connor Trinneer himself lol
@@AzraelThanatos my understanding was the founding of the federation/the earth romulan war was what they had planned for the thrust of season 5 but as it wasn't to be they just did what they could in a single episode.
I'd like to add Hugh to the list. His death in Picard season 1 was entirely unneccesary, plus it means we won't see a Hugh/Geordi reunion in season 3...
That's one that needed to be in the top 5 for me. Because not only was it poor for what we lost, but it didn't serve the story. It didn't advance anyone's motivations, it didn't give the Romulans anything. It just felt like the writers didn't know what to do with him after that episode so they killed him to not worry about it.
@@Mitharan23 exactly, imagine if he'd lived and had to come to terms with the fact that so many like him had died BECAUSE of Picard. It could have led to some good character interaction and growth.
@@Mitharan23 Exactly, nothing was gained by it.
Tasha Yar's death in TNG was huge for me as a kid. Never in any show I'd seen did a main character get axed so suddenly and unceremoniously. For the entire rest of the series I felt that no one was safe, that any threat could spell the death of another of my favourite characters. For me, it gave the series so much more weight and stakes.
Even as a 4 year old viewer, Tasha Yar dying so suddenly seemed way wrong. I vaguely remember seeing that at 4 and it made no sense
Good point; I don't think the end of S2 would've been so suspenseful, for example. I would've just thought, "No way they'll kill the captain!" But that following summer was hell. Hell, I tell ya!
Don't forget that Lieutenant Carey dies 3 episodes before the series finale where a future version of Janeway goes back in time so that she could prevent the death of Seven of Nine. So if future Janeway had just gone back in time a few weeks more, she could have also prevented the death of Lieutenant Carey.
That was a pretty unforgivable sin by the Voyager writing staff. Carey made it through the entire Delta quadrant, only to be killed at the very end of the series - in an episode unrelated to the finale!
@@chuffykow well he hadn't appeared since halfway through season 1... except in flashbacks. I like sfdebris's theory that they thought they'd killed him, realized they hadn't, then fixed that mistake.
You remind me of when Kim and Chakotay time travelled back to the frozen planet. Why didn't they just go back to before the Caretaker zapped them to the Delta Quadrant?
@@daydreamer8662 The frozen planet is the present for old Harry and Chakotay, it's where they find Voyager crashed so the can hopefully send a message to the past and prevent the crash. They don't time travel.
"...Romulan clones..."? What? Sela was Tasha's daughter - not a clone!
I'm glad someone pointed that out, because I was just about to.
Well, a Tasha. She was from an alternate timeline and somehow wasn't erased when it was reset.
@@AdmiralBlackstar She wasn't erased because she remained in the prime timeline by going back on the Enterprise C.
Everytime they have a different "presenter," they never know anything about Star Trek. It's so stupid. They're so desperate to make more content that they let people who know nothing do these stupid videos and it always backfires because they're always terrible.
@@Shawn47 but her timeline was erased so she should be erased because her timeline no longer existed.
It would have been nice to see Hugh on the list as well, once again Star Trek Picard's writers think getting cheap reactions out of viewers is the same as getting a true emotional reaction out of them.
I could've done without again being shown the scenes surrounding Icheb's death...
I don't recognize it and "Picard" as canon, I regard the events of Star Trek Online as the real Star Trek canon no matter what others may say.
Denise Crosby returned to ST:TNG as a Romulan clone did she? You've clearly not watched ST:TNG very closely. Otherwise you'd know that she returned NOT as a clone, but as the daughter of Tasha following the events of the episode Yesterday's Enterprise. Where Tasha went back as a crew member of the Enterprise C and was captured by the Romulans in the past.
I unsubbed this channel just for this one detail. EVERY Trek fan knows Sela was Tasha's daughter. This channel is just a poser.
Kirk's temporary death in Into Darkness was pretty pointless too
The entire film was pointless.
@@thecaptain6730 Yeah, pretty much
@@VuotoPneumaNN until it went "Beyond" and became even more pointless
Commander Sela wasn't a clone. She was Yar's daughter with a Romulan in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline.
We already know that Trip did not die, even without the books. Seeing how he was acting well being placed in the sickbays diagnostic tube, well Archer and the Doctor trade knowing glances, says it all right there.
...you can literally see his smoking corpse in part of the episode...
@@Kiljaedenas And yet, he did not die, as evidenced by his actions before going into the diagnostic tube.
I have to say that you really missed the mark on DS9, when you put the Klingon death above Jadzia Dax. She really could have been elevated to the death that need not be. I do understand the reason, as just like Denise Crosby, Terry Farrell wished to leave the show. But the killing was not needed. As for Tripp, totally felt the writers were just done with the series, as they couldn’t seem to get away from a bad story arc, and move forward to save the show. But it really went sour, When they killed off Tripp. I’ve said this many times, that the producers don’t listen to the fans, who ultimately are the reason Star Trek still exists.
The finale was written by the series creators. It was a 'love letter to Trek fans'. Braga has since apologized. Enterprise was taken from them in S4 and it improved. Bringing them back for the finale was horrible.
DS9 is underrated!??? It's probably the most favourite series of all of them!
I dont think tv ratings reflected this though if i recall correctly. Id like to say that ds9 didnt gain most of its popularity with the fans until it was off the air
I do remember that when ds9 1st came out (shit im getting old) a lot of people myself included were turned off by the fact it wasnt centered around a starship which is why i went over to voyager (i know i know....SHAME!)
The deaths I completely agree should be on this list were Trip's, Tasha Yar's, Keyla's, and Icheb's. The two named that should top the list in senseless deaths should have been Data at #2 and James T. Kirk at #1. All they did was bring them into movies just to kill them off.
Other deaths to consider as senseless for the list are Miramanee (Kirk's wife) and Jadxia Dax.
I think they were planning to bring Data back in a future movie which never ended up happening
I had heard it was Brent Spiner's idea to kill Data because he was "getting to old to play an ageless android"
Trip's death feels like a slap in the face. Its like the writers wanted to say "Oh you like this dhow now? Well screw you!"
Trip was the character who I felt devoped the most during all of Enterprise, going from a guy who distrusted Vulcans and felt very new for the job to one the possible father of yhe first Vulcan Human hybrid and an amazing Chief Engineer... Having him die like that, and not even to advance his own plot, but the storyline of Riker from an episode that had come out years before? It was an insult what they did to him, plain and simple
On par with reintroducing a character in Picard to be killed off, Hugh! This one was more of a sucker punch, because we'd seen Hugh's new job on the reclamation project, his reunion with Picard, and relationship with Soji and other cast members, to get neck sliced by a Romulan vigilante? Like it wasn't even a heroic death of dying so Elnor could escape, he gets sliced and dies in Elnor's arms. Like what the hell? You had a character reintroduced, with massive growth and purpose, and Picard writers just went "Nah." Also he's Borg, and couldn't be saved or revived? We know you lying
ST: Picard kills off THREE, not just one, significant characters who guess starred on Star Trek series. Icheb, as mentioned, obviously. But also Bruce Maddox and Hugh, the Borg drone the Enterprise crew planted a logic bomb into, who managed to escape from the collective because of it. They were all rather pointless deaths.
Hugh was a gut punch, but that's what it took for Picard to get over his shit. Icheb I didn't mind quite as much, since the original actor is a terrible person in real life. Maddox, yeah, that was kinda pointless
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@@alakani I remember when *everyone* hated Icheb when Voyager was running.
Low stakes Star Trek is kinda not that great.
And it wasn't really Icheb. That was not Manu Intiraymi who played the part. *smdh*
the two security guards beamed into space in AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD; the transporter seemed to be operated with about as much care as pocket-dialling a mobile phone - there was no checking where they'd be beaming anybody, no communicating with the guards already on the planet that they were about to beam up, nothing in the transporter process that showed a red light when the ship was on warp drive (of course, in the Abrams movies, it was possible to beam across interstellar distances into a ship moving at warp speeds - except that that sounds a plausible means of instantaneous long-distance transportation than ruby slippers)
How did Jadzia Dax not make this list?
Because her death kinda serves the plot. Scince Jadzia is a Dax her story continues with Ezri. I mean they could have handled the whole situation much better but it wasn´t a pointless death in that way.
And not to mention how many times Jadzia has made other lists based off of how she was killed and written off?
10 most impactful deaths would be a good list as well if it hasn't already been done.
I would say the time that Kirk transported several men into empty space is definitely the choice pick for number 10.
That was a fun one to animate on the Transporter video that went up the other day 😂
Back when I was covering ENTERPRISE for my TREK REPORT column @ IGN FilmForce, I wrote a perfect opening scene for the first episode of the next season where Trip is walking with Archer and complaining about a new "trash video novel" about the ship & crew. It becomes obvious that he's talking about the previous season's episode when he complains about getting killed off. Archer tries to calm Trip down by telling him, "It's fiction. Everybody knows that!".
Trip responds, "This is the sort of thing that has been mistaken for actual history before. What if people a 100 years from now think this is what really happened?"
Archer stops and looks Trip in the eye. "Well, by then, you'll actually be dead so why worry about it?"
And on we go.......
That'd actually fit those charachters so well.
"But...."
*two butts sticking out of a hatch
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. 🤣
So many butts 😂
@@ashedarke
All the butts
Bruh, that red shirt tripped on a rock and went flying!
I felt it was more fun that way 😂
I always thought and hoped that the inconsistency in the last episode of ENT, was due to a corrupted or hacked holographic program.
Trip must be alive, even if hidden, but he must be alive, perhaps with a secret child from T'pol. It would have been a good storyline for the new prequel series to have a secret son or descendant character of Trip partially Vulcan.
The Trip is alive thing seems like something that would have been a major thing for a season side story thing and would tie into the various Section 31 pieces shown, and him dying would work rather well as a cliffhanger ending to reveal the other later in the next season.
insert "It's a FAAAAKE" clip here 😏
Like, it had to have been written by somebody who had heard a story from somebody who might've known.... something. Like, what's a better story to tell? He rigged an explosion that made a sacrifice, or he rigged a concussive blast of some kind that knocked everbody out, he gets away with maybe some major injuries to his hands that cause him to re-think his career, and he decides to retire. What sells more books? (Money was still kind of a thing ENT-era, right?)
So, my personal "canon", the final episode of ENT was indeed Riker getting drunk and altering a holodeck program. Meanwhile, in real life, Trip and T'pol realized they genuinely love each other, got married and there's an unaired Star Trek sitcom about their wacky adventures as an intergalactic married couple. Admit it, that would be a great spinoff
Janeway didn't recognise Sulu when she met him in Tuvok's mind in Voyager because he didn't look like his own hologram. I have always taken holoprograms with a grain of salt, because it's very clear they're composed by someone after the fact in cases like this. Tripp may have died, but it's not a given.
Yaaaay, Commander Brie!! Good to have you back!!
Well, I foresee a part 2 to this, cos there's even more pointless deaths to be looked at, there's also Sito Jaxa in TNG "Lower Decks", who lost her life in a mission that to be honest was a bit much for such a young ensign to have taken on...
Headcanon that she ended up in the same Cardassian prison as Thomas Riker.
C'mon, man. Everyone knows that Trip has been working with Amos on the Roci.
I know that crappy TNG season seven episode, one of many set on the holodeck, said otherwise, but Trip was very much alive in the Star Trek: Enterprise series finale, Terra Prime.
Haven't checked the aggregate scores, but I think you'll find fans liked The Pegasus episode just fine. 😉
If a Riker/Troi cameo was a given, idk why they didn't just set their scenes on the Titan holodeck.
@@alm2187 Why? "cough"Rick Berman"cough"
Wait Trip was alive? He was my favourite character (even though the actor really disliked working on star trek it seems) and I was sure he died on that episode when Archer founds the proto-federation (and IMDB said These are the voyages was the finale.) Am I forgetting something?
Slightly off topic - but related to Red Shirt deaths - I often wonder about decisions made by Captain Kirk. In the end of Space Seed, Kirk makes a unilateral decision that I suspect he could not have made if Star Fleet were a real organization with real bureaucracy. Think about how many crew members died at the hands of Khan and associates while attempting to take the ship. If even 1 died, Kirk could not drop all charges and in fact could have ended up being court marshaled for not turning them over to a star base for due process.
“Forgo all pleasantries and go straight to the murder.” - Nice one, Ms. Brie.
Props to the editor for all the But(t)s!
You're welcome 👍😂
Good, it's not just me that noticed this. I was very confused as it went on and more confused that people didn't comment on this.
@@jackfarris654 subliminal butts 😂
Trip's death made me so damn mad when I saw it.
He isn't dead, what the hell are you talking about
@@lykan2 Yep section 31 went on to marry a very foxy Vulcan and had at least one child
@6:42 -- I'm not your buddy, Guy! 😁😁😁
Glad you spotted it 😂
Nice presentation Bree. of all those on the channel, I believe you are the best spoken.
I see we love the word titular this episode, lol
On the episode where haskell died, Wesley was in that chair up until the scene where they needed someone to die, making it even more silly.
Interesting observation 👍
The plot armor was strong with this one...
Yes fans already know he started working for section 31 left and had at least one child with T'Pol
I felt bad for garek after all the time in exile his wish to return home to see all the cardassians die
Sela the Romulan is not a clone of Tasha Yar... she is the daughter of Lt. Yar from the alternate timeline of Yesterday's Enterprise.
Funny how this time travel episode didn’t create a new universe
struggling to understand how someone can make a video for trekculture and get something like this wrong.
Yeah, that trigger my inner pedantic nerd, too. 🤓😖
Hugh, Icheb, Yar and Trip! No need to kill them off.
Nice to hear Brie again. A little bit funny to hear an American read the British-penned "..throwing her toys out the pram." 🖖
Trip isn't dead, he's just trippin'!
You need to check your research better. The “Romulan Clone” was Tasha Yar’s daughter.
A simpler way to say Trip didn’t die would be that Trip didn’t sacrifice himself it was “Chef” . Riker just changed historical event in the holodeck.
I thought it would be funny if Chef is Riker’s ancestor.
Yeah, Sela is the legit biological daughter of Tasha Yar and a Romulan Admiral, NOT a clone.
Also, I tend to regard as "Chief" as the guy who sacrificed himself, not Trip and as far as I'm concerned, the episode with Riker in it never happened. It's as non-canon as the episode where the Enterprise was bested and captured by 8 Ferengi with hand phasers in two outdated birds of prey in my opinion.
I refuse to watch the last episode of enterprise now. It’s a massive insult to kill off trip like that, it’s also a insult to turn the series final into a holodeck simulation for a cross over with TNG which makes it less impactful.
I consider the terra prime double episode the season final.
You describe EXACTLY my sentiments! Huge Enterprise fan.
When Enterprise was first on I did not much like it for many reason. I rewatched it about a year ago, like it a lot more. It helped already knowing the "fully" developed characters. I had totally forgotten the stupid way Trip was killed off. I found myself really upset.
@@PaulFagundes Ive been rewatching each season in time order (TNG > DS9 > Voy > Ent > Repeat) since i was like 12 (33 now) and there are not many episodes that i skip but the season final of enterprise really shits me off.
Auditor describes so many of the ships as titular 😃
(1:00-2:20): could have been titled Death of the Red Shirts. (14:30-): no death, and I mean NO DEATH, is more pointless than Tripps--seventeen-years later and I'm STILL pissed😡
That blue uniform!
KIRK'S unnecessary death in the awful plot hole-ridden "Star Trek Generations really SHOULD be at number one.
I thought Jadzia Dax would be on there. Very suprised.
Kirk agrees... and has an additional note.
You are doing Grilka dirty with that edit.
Those are real caterpillars 👍
Take a shot every time they say “titular.” 😂
Bite the bullet does NOT mean what you guys seem to think it means. The actual meaning is to grit your teeth and do something you know you have to do but don't want to - hence the biting of a bullet ("Bite down on this, it's going to hurt!).
You keep using it like "bite the dust". That's the expression you're looking for. I know this is weird, but there's this whole google thing that would save you the embarrassment of making this error.
4:20 This one is especially unfortunate as Weasley Crusher had been manning the con just before this happened, and he returned to the con just after it happened.
I reckon Weasley had just taken the most well timed bathroom break in the history of Star Fleet.
Well timed for Weasley, not so much for Haskell.
I'm not sure if that's a type-o or not but for me he will be Weasley Crusher from now on! 😂
Trip's death was pointless and in a terrible episode, but Tasha's death was completely pointless. At least Trip died trying to save his friends... kind of.
It's nice to hear a new voice
You should have included Hugh from TNG when HE was killed in Picard. (I scrolled down, and someone else beat me to this point, but still, it's a good point.)
They even had the Trek novels resurrect Trip, such was the antipathy to 'These Are the Voyages'.
The prodigal Brie returns!
I disagree about Kozak being pointless.
That storyline eventually resulted in the marriage of Worf and Jadzia, and that alone made it worth it for the show (and for Worf).
I still can't get over the death of Tuvix. That was straight up murder and the entire crew not only did nothing to stop it from happening but Tuvix told the crew his death would weight heavily on their minds for not interfering. Not only it didn't, I don't think anyone even thought about him for a second. Wow!
*one of the many things that bothered me about that particular episode was given the technology they had, what was stopping them or preventing them from cloning Tuvix or at least preserving his DNA in stasis for later?...there was no reason he could not have been preserved as a hologram/photonic entity...sure the EMH would be reluctant to share his mobile emitter with him but of all the members of the crew he was the one who stood up and voiced opposition to Janeway's decision...*
I agree that it was one of the saddest death in Trek. Not pointless though.
Sorry but it was not murder.
Voyager is a series that strikes me as having writers that think they're deep, but they're not.
No love for Jadzia? I must admit I forgot about Trip, and I was expecting Jadzia to be #1. Granted Dax lived on in Ezri, but still.
Me too.
@@milou66 jadzia wasn't a character I could ever take seriously for someone with so much intelligence she acted like a sorority party girl to much
@@dragon22214 Well, she did have a history of partying with Klingons.
Trip is definitely NOT dead.
Wait- how have I missed Morn the Playa all these years... 2:55
I know right? That thumbs up 😂👍
That was a lot of cheeky interjection for this video. Makes me want to get in the elliptical...and, and watch some Star Trek. 😇
K’Ehleyr’s death hit me hard and then another whammy when Jadzia was murdered by a Pah Wraith possessed ,Dukat.
Haskell's death pisses me off so much.
11:55 Denise Crosby decided to be removed from TNG, despite their objections. The fashion in which they removed her and Terry Farrell, would always land them in "Hot Water" with us, the viewers anyways.
Terra Prime was Enterprise's finale. Fight me.
Bro had is eye drilled out amongst other torturous things. Seven did him a favor.
Jordy was on the away team on Viagra too when Tosha was killed as well.
It sad that Discovery creators killed off Airiam, if she's survived and sent also to 32nd Century, I can only imagined what kind of cybernetic and medical improvements she would receive.
Trip is definitely not dead... that final "episode" was nothing more that Riker playing with the holodeck... has nothing to do with reality and should have simply been ignored...
Okay list. All the buuuts, made it funny to watch though.
Sela was the daughter of the alternate Tasha Yar from the “Yesterday’s Enterprise” timeline, not a clone.
This
Exactly. I'm surprised that it got past editing or QC.
And Sela is as indestructible as a cockroach as any STO player would tell you...she can't even be kept in a high security prison without her finding some way out to cause more problems.
And then there's the gutpunch episode about her and what actually happened to Tasha with Sela breaking down over the course of the mission.
Wait, what. How could you miss Jadzia Dax? That should have been #1
More than any other episode, Skin of Evil scared the sh*t out of me as a kid. Like, Darth Vader condemned to live in a pool of tar. It's still an episode I cannot watch.
Denise Crosby actually asked to be written out of the show, because she didn't feel like her character was being utilized effectively.
the Romulan samurai in Picard season 2; you knew he would be back, but too late for us to keep watching....
Was there ever a story written somewhere, that had Armis show up again? Getting offplanet somehow? I also thought it very strange that the shuttle crashed on the very area where a sentient, oily puddle of ooze lived, in a vast world where it was otherwise pretty empty. I just pictured Armis getting out into the cosmos somehow, trying his torture tricks, and going, basically, "Damn. Nothing out here amuses me, either!" Mostly because he doesn't know any other way to find "amusement". He'd be like SCP 682, watching something like the Dominion War and sneering, _"Pathetic."_
"Outside of the bridge crew, Discovery's main cast..."
What's the distinction, there?
Her Majesty Grudge, mostly.
The deaths of the 800 million Cardassians on Cardassia Prime in DS9's Season Finale was meant to show how ruthless the Female Changeling was, to build up how costly freeing themselves was for the Cardassians and how the Cardassians ended up paying dearly for their pride and for oppressing the Bajorans in the past. It was also meant to mirror how devastated Germany and Japan were at the end of WW2 and how many at the time feel that the Germans and Japanese got what they deserved for their own crimes.
I get though that their deaths were pointless and that they were victims of the Female Changeling throwing a temper tantrum that she didn't get her way and wanted to make victory for the Federation and its allies as costly as possible "to keep them from going into the Gamma Quadrant and destroy the Great Link".
For *These are the Voyages* , they should brought back all the captains from the TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY from their respective timeline (Sisko with the Prophets and Kirk before the events of *Generation* ) to retrospect events that lead to the creation of the Federation, instead of it being a holodeck program set during the *Pegasus* episode.
I never understood Voyager's casting. Carey had 4 appearance the first season, disappeared for 2 seasons, and then three subsequent appearances, 1 per season. I guess budget constraints got too tight?
Trip isn't dead. That we can all agree on.
Kerry was only brought back to die. I don't remember seeing him at all after Torres became chief engineer and they worked out their issues.
South Park reference on the friendship 1 probe?
Yup 😂
Art imitates life sometimes many deaths are pointless.
No Hugh? He'd be my number 1 on this list!
In fairness Icheb's death was not pointless--the point was for Picard series 1 to appear "gritty" and "edgy". Okay, yeah, his death was pointless.
Sela was NOT A CLONE she was Tacha's daughter
To have Trip die instead of with T'Pol still angers me today.
3:20 what on earth is going on with grilka's eyebrows?? did that happen in the episode?
Caterpillars 👍