I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a Best of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names and records and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
I like his analysis and takes but if im not wrong he started watching ufc in the pandemic , thats why he is clueless about the context and the impact of the fighters that came before like 2019
Brother is cherry picking with the criteria Max early losses don’t matter But oliveiras and woodleys losses do? Armans first fight in the ufc is a top win for Islam But usmans win over Strickland isn’t?
@@grimlock__2501yeah I was looking for this comment, you dont have to like omalley but how in the hell is he not up there but merab is, its more appropriate to put cody garbrant up there rather than merab
@@Gfckin9sean and cody have mid resumes like sean beat fraud aljo and chito and i think he lost the yan fight, if you're arguing sean should be there then so should ilia in featherweight
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
exactly, he has good takes but he started watching in the pandemic, that explains why he is kinda clueless about most fighters that fought in the 2000s and 2010s era
@@joeswanson5486 Lol this is a bit much... are you trolling? That's big nostalgia bias. The top 5 should be either Stipe or Fedor number one and number 2, then Nogueria, and then you can take your pick of Cro Cop, Velasquez, Werdum and maybe JDS for the other spots. Mark Hunt and Heath Herring are good heavyweights, but should be nowhere near a top 5 GOAT list.
@@tiagohenriquepereira7962 idk why he's so adamant the sport has evolved. 10 years ago had Jacare/Rockhold/Gus/Rumble/Condit/Lyoto/Moose/DC/JDS/Werdum. I'd say only featherweight and below evolved so much and you could argue it's because how much people cut nowadays.
@@otterno.1128 Yeah top HW GOATs would be Fedor/Stipe/JDS/Werdum/Nog/Cain/Reem/etc. Only Aspinall currently makes the list. "sport has evolved" is so dumb since you get guys like Almeida and Gane who got exposed but would handily beat majority of today's HWs.
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names and records and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Another win that peolle don't really include for Silva is Nate Marquardt, who besides just being another old head name for Rogan to say is a killer in his prime, actually went on to beat Tyron Woodley for the strap in Strikeforce so it ages pretty well
bro that Marquardt finish against Woodley is one of the nastiest KO's, I still go back to rewatch the finishing sequence from time to time to this day it was brutal.
Lucas, you uploaded this at the perfect time. I just finished eating a big ol’ bucket of KFC with Shamil the Blob after we practiced imposing our will’s on a treadmill. Watching this while plotting home !
@@julianjdc5907 wasn’t making it out to be my original take, the guy above me didn’t understand that it’s an inside joke on Lucas’s channel that patchy mix is the best
Beating Yan is nothing like beating Volk, Volk is a long reigning champion with wins over the two other goats of his division. Yan lost the belt in his first defense and lost the rematch, then got 50-45 smashed by Merab. You're cooked.
Yan only ever lost to Merab. He is more skilled than Volk too. Volk is passed his prime too. Beating him now is easier than you think. I think Arnold Allen would beat him. All the lightweight contenders beat him too. Volk was dominant because of his speed and movement. That goes with age
@@lykastannis7662 huh, weird, I could swear I watched him lose to Aljo since I'm not a biased coper who understands losing the first three rounds means you lose
@@humanexister I thought Yan won the first round of the rematch. Landed way better shots. Blocked most of Aljos too. This is a valid opinion. 1 judge even gave Yan round 1. Stop acting like Yan winning wasnt a valid potential result.
@@lucastracymma8764 both fights were competitive and close,drop the gimmick that Adesanya brutally robbed Rob and Romero,not even Rob's own corner thought he won
Cejudo only had 2 losses at flyweight and one of em was against DJ and the other one was a robbery to Joe Benavidez. Cejudo was deducted a point on some BS
@@timurjack8773why not? He’s the only fighter to ever not rob or beat Yan by DQ. He also beat Jose Aldo and Henry Cejudo which are 2 pretty good wins and he has a decent win streak. 2 might be a little crazy but putting him under 5 is😂
55:08 Fedor is the heavyweight GOAT. Shelt (4x K1 champ), Crazy Horse Herring, Big Nog 3x (arguably was winning 2nd fight before head collision), Iron Head Fugita, Karate Goodridge, Coleman 2x, CRO COP, Mark Hunt, Arlovski… the last emperor’s reign is unmatchable
I would put Yan over Merab because if you look at their fights with Jose, Yan beat him convincingly while Merab just held Aldo against the fence because he knew he couldn't beat him
@zappersolo7588 not saying Aldo got Robbed, I'm saying Merab's win over aldo should be discounted the way people discount Cejudo's win over Cruz, and Aljo's win over TJ... it wasn't a fight, it was merab scraping a win (its a gamrot victory) I'm not trying to write essay
Oliveira's before title wins didn't age well, who did Oliveira beat? He beat Nik Lentz that Makhachev also beat. Oliveira beat Kevin Lee who lose to Iaquinta 2 times, and he beat Ferguson after Gaethje beat him, as Khabib said Ferguson was finished after Gaethje, Ferguson lose to everyone even to Paddy Pimblett after that. Oliveira beat Dariush but then Dariush lose to Arman as well.
I think Dan Henderson could be in the top 5 of middleweight or LHW. At least in terms of resume. He beat Shogun twice. Wanderlei, Big Nog, Vitor, Rich Franklin, Bisping and did that in his late 30s till mid 40s. And he arguably won the second fight against Bisping.
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
flukas “the coin flip” tracy uploads and i suddenly start falling to my knees and crying tears of joy into a bucket to fund salt water for pyfer and saltymal hill at the spitoon, god is good.
I don't have strong reasoning for Alex Pereira being top 5 all time but he's undefeated at LHW with 4 wins all over former champions. I don't mind putting someone else in like Rumble or Gus. LHW was the hardest one in regards to doing #4 and #5
Alex should not be in that list, you said in the beginning that there's no recency bias and that is exactly what you did with the LHW, like those 3 former champions he beat didn't even defend the belt and got the belt by beating an old glover.
Gus atleast is def top 5 over alex, he beat shogun, texeira and jan and beat jan much more convincingly than alex, and arguably beat jones and took dc to a split decision
He should be #5 at lw. I dont think the top 4 is arguable (you can shift them around but i think those 4 specifically belong there) but Edgar beat Penn 2x, Maynard, Sherk, and Bendo if we're counting robberies because the second fight def was. He has a ton of good wins at fw tho.
@@alex222toxic honestly Penn lost to Edgar 3 times in total which is why I can't put him higher than him. How is Pulver better than khabib, Edgar and Islam tho?
@@alex222toxic Penn is so good because of his Welterweight wins over like likes of Matt Hughes, and fighting in all weight divisions. He also did have an amazing lightweight run, but he's so good for his multiple weight division all-time wins. Also Takanori Gomi is a legendary fighter, but he should absolutely not be in a top 5 lightweight GOATS list.
I dont understand why or how you consider Aldo was in his prime at 32 when he clearly wasn't. Jot every fighter is in their "prime" from 29-33. Aldo's prime was 100% before he was 32. The dude was already a champ for years and years by the time he was 27, he got into MMA and fighting much younger than most guys and had waaaaayyyy more fights than guys do nowadays. Some fighter peak early...just like some peak later in their career. You as an MMA fan should know this. Like how Volk started MMA later and therefore peaked later because he didnt have as many fights, injuries and everything else that fighters who start when they are young so
Great comment. Yeah, Aldo stated he was already competing on Vale Tudo in brazil at age 16. I think this dude thinks age and prime are the same thing lol.
While I agree khabib wins aren’t great, you can’t ignore the dude never lost a round, maybe 1. And they way he smothers his opponents makes them look humiliated as the other thing they can do is look up at the clock to see if the round is ending. I feel like if he never retired, he would’ve continued smothering everyone
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
I think the fact that Khabib effortlessly beat prime Poirier while Islam went to war against an older Poirier is what keeps him as the goat currently. But Islam will pass him with another 1 or 2 fights.
I actually really like the top 5 hw that you did, and personally I don’t even have Cejudo top 5 125ers all time, although I have him at almost a tie with joey b at 5
I really think you should rewatch GSP vs Hendricks, R1 is closer than most people remember. I personally scored it for GSP. R2/R4 were clearly Hendricks', R3/R5 were clearly GSP. So I disagree with you so casually calling it a loss, since you at least questioned the other close fights for other fighters here.
Agree with you both. That fight is lowkey a draw imo. Hendricks was also on steroids btw, so GSP shouldn’t be looked down upon for arguably losing to a cheater.
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Its not clearly, Oliveira hold Poirier's glove to get him to the ground, before that Poirier was beating Oliveira badly in the 1st round. Right now Poirier is improved his wrestling defense better after BSD fight, I don't think he would let Oliveira hold his glove again.
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Performance-based rankings over W/L rankings is actually a good idea. It's pretty high effort though so I don't expect that there's enough knowledgeable people that could consistently debate that kind of thing. For example I think DP gained stock for his fight vs Islam. He clearly lost (was submitted) but I'm higher on him after than I was before
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
You are such a casual HW fan lol. How can you not include overeem??? Overeem wins: Werdum 2x, JDS, Lesnar, Pavlovich, Mir, Arlovski Easily makes top 5 lmao especially since you rate Werdum so highly
@@timurjack8773so yoel Romero chad mendes or Frankie edger can’t be top 5 in their weight divisions. Sure merab at 2 is crazy but he’s def top 5. Only fighter to really beat Petr yan then long win streak with Aldo and Cejudo
I'll be honest Lucas, this was a great overall list and a very entertaining video. I don't think you were being controversial on purpose either, you had really good justifications for your risky/less mainstream picks.
A decision machine, wet blanket like GSP who lost his belt multiple times throughout his reign can stay in the top 3 without a doubt, But 16 fight win streak, longest title reign in UFC history Silva who KOed damn near everyone who challenged him for the belt, sprinkled with a couple submissions, is "about to fall out of the top 10".
Agree with all the lists, also think Izzy and Whittaker are very close to becoming 1 and 2 especially if they beat DDP and Strickland respectively. Great job as per usual
@@Tomas-wm3pk Fedor himself thinks that Cain is the best heavyweight ever. And we all know that Werdum beat Cain only because they fought at high altitude in Mexico.
I think prime vs prime Cain would beat Werdum Fedor and stipe which stipe is a really tough fight and I know he’s better than Francis but I don’t think Cain would be able to deal with Francis big guy with big power. Francis is much better than lesnar
@@matthewgagliardi8429poirier fought the 2 best and lost and furthermore he lost to Charles as well u guys think fighting someone adds to their resume regardless if they lose and get dominated
“his win over whittaker was a little bit more decisive” 😂😂😂 like izzy didn’t starch him twice in 1 fight lmfao. he absolutely took your boys soul and you clearly haven’t recovered
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Yan>Merab. Yan has a higher quantity of tough opponents, and I feel like he’s gonna get more points for having such a close match against O Malley especially if O Malley ends up sleeping Merab like I think he will. Merab did dominate Yan though so I can see him being higher without having too much of a issue with it
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Lucas, I NEED you to look at Nate Marquardt and Jon Fitch's records, they are some of Silva and GSP's best wins. After losing to Silva Nate went to Strikeforce and went to welterweight and beat Tyron Woodley, and Jon Fitch was on a 9 fight winning streak inside the UFC before fighting GSP (In which GSP 50-44'D him)
Aldo is above Holloway all time for featherweight and in general. Swanson, Mike Brown, Faber, Florian, TKZ, Mendes2x, Lamas, Edgar2x. Flukas will put everything into glazing volk to the point that he will glaze fighters volk beat. Remember when he had a debate on Izzy and started talking about how good volk is?
@@zarifinator1327 Faber was a WEC champion, Edgar was ufc champion, mendes was absolutely champion level. Listing how many champions someone has beat isn’t the only stat to go off of. Aldo didn’t beat as many champions because he was literally THE champ for longer than any other featherweight lol
@@DarthVader-do8tu but he also fought all the other FW champs and lost to them in his prime. It would be something if e didn't fight them, but he did and lost to them. He's had he opportunity to fight many champs and fell short. Still a great fighter but we're comparing resumes and max clearly has the better resume.
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro / Criteria
1:02 Flyweight
7:07 Bantamweight / Difficult To Rank
21:48 Featherweight
28:00 Lightweight
37:17 Welterweight
42:34 Middleweight
52:03 Light Heavyweight
55:07 Heavyweight
Bro has Frabricio Werdum over Fedor and Ngannou
#1 Heavyweight Volk
why’d you copy my vid bar for bar bruh
Bro Weidman and Bisping never fought
Poirier over Oliveira is crazy
Any fighter with a prime before 2017 is a bum according to Flukas
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a Best of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names and records and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Honestly kinda true tho
@@ItsameAlexthe one time he beats rob? He ran thru em like he was nothing 😂
I like his analysis and takes but if im not wrong he started watching ufc in the pandemic , thats why he is clueless about the context and the impact of the fighters that came before like 2019
Sport evolves fast especially if it is attracting new practitioners. I doubt those pre 2017 beats any current champ
Brother is cherry picking with the criteria
Max early losses don’t matter
But oliveiras and woodleys losses do?
Armans first fight in the ufc is a top win for Islam
But usmans win over Strickland isn’t?
Exactly, hes a casual
I need someone obsessed with me like Lucas is obsessed with the goat convo.
This bantamweight list is the definition of “if my grandma had wheels she would be a bus.”
merab at 2 is actually insane
@@grimlock__2501glad someone at least mentioned that 😂
@@grimlock__2501yeah I was looking for this comment, you dont have to like omalley but how in the hell is he not up there but merab is, its more appropriate to put cody garbrant up there rather than merab
@@Gfckin9sean and cody have mid resumes like sean beat fraud aljo and chito and i think he lost the yan fight, if you're arguing sean should be there then so should ilia in featherweight
@@Gfckin9neither of them should be there
Flyweight is literally the only 5 champs its ever had
Erceg > froadtoja
Lol a lucas member
@@barlo90 why do you watch his videos?
@@laptv2144 He watches them for free
That's crazy... DJ and the figgy moreno quadrilogy really held up that div
"We're not gonna use any bias"
Then goes on to rank fighters based on who you thought should have won decisions.
Spectacular.
Thinking someone won a fight is a lot different than I like this fighter more so he’s higher
“Definitive top 5” “I think he won” 😭
Having a different opinion than the judges to rank a list is not a crime
@@yoboychris4149 but determining ranking off of your opinion is using bias, which he said he wasn't going to do. Not thay difficult to understand.
The judges get tons of shit wrong
People forget man that Flukas has these hardcore crafty vet takes
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
"He's 14-1 on a 15 fight win streak"
lol im pretty sure islam is on 14 fight winstreak in ufc now. So Flukas Glazy is wrong there.
He probably meant he has 15 wins in total and is on a 14 fight win streak
Either ways Islam and Khabib are the goats of their division
Tibau win should added also.
he was saying he doesn't remember if its 14-1 or 15-1
When mma was the driest. My goat posted🥺. We love you lil guy
To be fair Jon jones just got arrested again
@@zacharyav5277and the reward is another women’s fight night for the 2nd week in a row. Not a good reward
@@stevennlmb579 true
PookasTracy 🔛🔝
The atomweight goat
Lucas has some serious recency bias
exactly, he has good takes but he started watching in the pandemic, that explains why he is kinda clueless about most fighters that fought in the 2000s and 2010s era
Fr the top 5 at heavyweight should be
Fedor
nogueira
cro cop
Mark hunt
Heath hearing
@@joeswanson5486 Lol this is a bit much... are you trolling? That's big nostalgia bias. The top 5 should be either Stipe or Fedor number one and number 2, then Nogueria, and then you can take your pick of Cro Cop, Velasquez, Werdum and maybe JDS for the other spots. Mark Hunt and Heath Herring are good heavyweights, but should be nowhere near a top 5 GOAT list.
@@tiagohenriquepereira7962 idk why he's so adamant the sport has evolved. 10 years ago had Jacare/Rockhold/Gus/Rumble/Condit/Lyoto/Moose/DC/JDS/Werdum. I'd say only featherweight and below evolved so much and you could argue it's because how much people cut nowadays.
@@otterno.1128 Yeah top HW GOATs would be Fedor/Stipe/JDS/Werdum/Nog/Cain/Reem/etc. Only Aspinall currently makes the list. "sport has evolved" is so dumb since you get guys like Almeida and Gane who got exposed but would handily beat majority of today's HWs.
Lucas calling kopylov the 3rd greatest middleweight ever is a crazy take 😮
one more win and he's 1
@@lucastracymma8764hell yeah bro 😂
Please tell me he didn’t actually say this
@@lucastracymma8764broski wym
@@seravaMMAjust eat your
Food kid
If you counted Arman for Islam, you should've counted Max as a good win for Connor.
@@renzo1745 I agree as an Islam fan, Ngl I think he just forgot put to max there
EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT TOO
islam was young as well its not like islam was the champ and beat arman on a debut
Islam went on to become a beast, Connor never did. There are levels to this game and islam is an elite level fighter. End of story
@@aduriteking2155 ??? that has absolutely nothing to do with the video format. what a clown
Nobody does long format mma content better than Glazy
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names and records and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Okay mr “joined 5 days ago” type beat
@@RomeroMero255you joined a year ago…
@@10mmseb my other account called “HR 07” has been on this platform since 2018, and before that my oldest oldest account was from 2015
Reading this in the same tone as Dana White defending Jon Jones lmfao
bro farted at 38:26 and kept it moving
its the chaire broken hand 😂
Literally was only looking for this comment
Was looking for this comment lmap
i‘m dying😭
Bro i was not ready for that😭
I’m sorry but if Cejudo “lost” to Benavidez, then Whittaker “lost” to Izzy in the second fight. Flukas literally did not watch that fight
Good vid tho lol fan of the content
@@bruhdude5505Whittaker beat gynobender. He beat him in R5 clearly and edged out R2,R4
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
@@harshatomas835he absolutely didn't
@@harshatomas835 "Clearly" Izzy outstruck Robert in RD 2 and RD 5, and I doubt anyone thought Robert won Rd 1
Lucas is the definition of a walking recency bias
Cry a river about it
The bantamweight list is outrageous. Not putting Suga there when he has wins over 2 of those guys is posposterous.
Agreed
Hes counting the yan vs sean fight as a win for yan thats why.
Didn’t beat yan
Suga never beat yan
I guess according to Glazy's way of thinking, Sean is undefeated
Another win that peolle don't really include for Silva is Nate Marquardt, who besides just being another old head name for Rogan to say is a killer in his prime, actually went on to beat Tyron Woodley for the strap in Strikeforce so it ages pretty well
bro that Marquardt finish against Woodley is one of the nastiest KO's, I still go back to rewatch the finishing sequence from time to time to this day it was brutal.
Lucas, you uploaded this at the perfect time. I just finished eating a big ol’ bucket of KFC with Shamil the Blob after we practiced imposing our will’s on a treadmill. Watching this while plotting home !
😂😂
Bantamweight rankings actually unhinged
whats yours then??
@@bjh1202Cruz, aljo, yan,merab and then either dillashaw or O’Malley
@@bjh1202I already changed my mind lmao. O’Malley lowkey hasn’t done much yet besides 2 maybe 3 good wins but chito wasn’t too impressive
@@loganmiller4248yans above Aljo. He beat Aljo the first fight and barely lost the rematch.
@@loganmiller4248I wouldn’t mind Suga at 5. If he beats merab though put him at 2 ?🤷♂️
No Patchy Mix? Such a casual maaan
Patchy Mix is the REEAL hardcore goat of 135
no we’re just not 100 yrs old
@@dreballlpatchy mix isn’t an old fighter, he’s the Bellator champ that people call better than Omalley and Yan to seem hardcore
@@zeze-oo2rh you just regurgitate what lucas tracy says. i agree but thats the same thing lucas said bum
@@julianjdc5907 wasn’t making it out to be my original take, the guy above me didn’t understand that it’s an inside joke on Lucas’s channel that patchy mix is the best
Beating Yan is nothing like beating Volk, Volk is a long reigning champion with wins over the two other goats of his division. Yan lost the belt in his first defense and lost the rematch, then got 50-45 smashed by Merab. You're cooked.
Yan only ever lost to Merab. He is more skilled than Volk too. Volk is passed his prime too. Beating him now is easier than you think. I think Arnold Allen would beat him. All the lightweight contenders beat him too. Volk was dominant because of his speed and movement. That goes with age
@@lykastannis7662 huh, weird, I could swear I watched him lose to Aljo since I'm not a biased coper who understands losing the first three rounds means you lose
@@humanexister I thought Yan won the first round of the rematch. Landed way better shots. Blocked most of Aljos too. This is a valid opinion. 1 judge even gave Yan round 1. Stop acting like Yan winning wasnt a valid potential result.
He didnt lose his first defence, he lost to a bs rule
@@lykastannis7662casual
Bro added Adesanya to Rob's and Romero's best wins 😂
bro making his own happiness let him be
Robberies exist. Judges can get fights wrong.
Hes a bit delusional
@@clkgtr12bros in his own blissfullness
@@lucastracymma8764 both fights were competitive and close,drop the gimmick that Adesanya brutally robbed Rob and Romero,not even Rob's own corner thought he won
The amount of hoops you had to jump through to justify Aljo is fucking insane…
Aljo's entire championship reign kind of has an asterisk next to it. 0 valid wins
@@lykastannis7662how is his win against cejudo not valid
@@blahhhh1223 Split decision
What a great video idea! surely everyone will agree with every pick and theres no arguments in the comment section!
😂
You forget makhachev on Pantoja best Win
Lmfao
Are you hating on Makachev?
You do know MaKachev whooped him right? 😂
@@imcgonigle2006Pantoja koed mackecev retired came back and won the flyweight belt.
@@aduriteking2155makachev is a n word
Cejudo only had 2 losses at flyweight and one of em was against DJ and the other one was a robbery to Joe Benavidez. Cejudo was deducted a point on some BS
True, the fight against Benavidez was razor close and cejudo arguably won
Merab at #2 bantamweight is insane
If he wins the belt maybe, but until then he shouldn't even be in top 5.
@@timurjack8773why not? He’s the only fighter to ever not rob or beat Yan by DQ. He also beat Jose Aldo and Henry Cejudo which are 2 pretty good wins and he has a decent win streak. 2 might be a little crazy but putting him under 5 is😂
@@joeswanson5486because an honest top 5 would be cruz, omalley, aljo, yan and TJ…thats an objective top 5, id put cody over merab as of rn
@@joeswanson5486and omalley beat yan, you can look up the fight and watch it as you can see omalley got the win…
@@joeswanson5486Sean omally is kicking his ass
55:08 Fedor is the heavyweight GOAT. Shelt (4x K1 champ), Crazy Horse Herring, Big Nog 3x (arguably was winning 2nd fight before head collision), Iron Head Fugita, Karate Goodridge, Coleman 2x, CRO COP, Mark Hunt, Arlovski… the last emperor’s reign is unmatchable
Old heads and middleweights 😂
I would put Yan over Merab because if you look at their fights with Jose, Yan beat him convincingly while Merab just held Aldo against the fence because he knew he couldn't beat him
Do you know Merab beat Yan 50-45?
@@tibiaots24lol exactly, why compare their wins over someone else when they have literally fought each other 🤣
@@Robert96902fr even if they never fought mma math doesn’t work. You could say look at Justin’s fight against Dustin and Islams😂
Yan is by far my favorite bw but even I wouldn’t do these mental gymnastics to ignore that he got smoked when they fought 😂
I can never see Merab's win over Aldo good, he literally just dry humped Aldo's leg for 3 rds
I agree with Cory when he says "that wasnt a fight"
He won and controled aldo
He only controlled him the 2nd round the fight was mostly on the feet rewatch the fight. Only 5 minutes of control.
Its up to Aldo to do something about it as he know he was going to lose if he let Merab holding him, Aldo needed to take more risks to win the fight.
@zappersolo7588 not saying Aldo got Robbed,
I'm saying Merab's win over aldo should be discounted the way people discount Cejudo's win over Cruz, and Aljo's win over TJ... it wasn't a fight, it was merab scraping a win (its a gamrot victory)
I'm not trying to write essay
@@Janintong no robbery wins arent wins boring wins are still wins
“Vitor was a good fighter, Belfort was a good win”
DP above Charles Oliveira is BIZARRE, the top 3 is Khabib, Islam and Charles
DP def has a better resume than Charles but idc about the order as long as top 2 is Islam and khabib and top 4 has dp and Charles
@@zarifinator1327não mano porier perdeu pro charles e nem se quer foi um campeão legítimo linear
Nah, Dustin over Oliveira is correct, it's close though
Oliveira's before title wins didn't age well, who did Oliveira beat? He beat Nik Lentz that Makhachev also beat. Oliveira beat Kevin Lee who lose to Iaquinta 2 times, and he beat Ferguson after Gaethje beat him, as Khabib said Ferguson was finished after Gaethje, Ferguson lose to everyone even to Paddy Pimblett after that. Oliveira beat Dariush but then Dariush lose to Arman as well.
@@goofybaIIdustin literalmente nunca foi campeão mano e foi finalizado pelo Oliveira,khabib,islan aonde você quer chegar? Oliveira defendeu título
I think Dan Henderson could be in the top 5 of middleweight or LHW. At least in terms of resume. He beat Shogun twice. Wanderlei, Big Nog, Vitor, Rich Franklin, Bisping and did that in his late 30s till mid 40s. And he arguably won the second fight against Bisping.
How is Cro Cop not on Fedors best wins?
i forgot to put him in there. I don't mind him at the 2 spot either
Same with Kevin Randleman
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
@@Nero-mg7en KEVING RANDLEMAN gtfo bro hes a can.
@@ItsameAlexI'm sorry but you just confused me even more 😭
I love that every close fight he gives to his more liked fighter
flukas “the coin flip” tracy uploads and i suddenly start falling to my knees and crying tears of joy into a bucket to fund salt water for pyfer and saltymal hill at the spitoon, god is good.
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Lucas tried to gaslight us into thinking that Weidman has a win over Bisping? 😭😭
i had vitor belfort at the 5 spot before weidman and i forgot to delete that win lol
And bisbing wasn't in gsps biggest win!
Tracy Lucas: I'm counting robberies in my list
Also Tracy Lucas: Anderson has a win over Derek Brunson
Probably didn't watch the fight
Weidman vs Bisping was such an underrated fight, people forget man..
I don't have strong reasoning for Alex Pereira being top 5 all time but he's undefeated at LHW with 4 wins all over former champions. I don't mind putting someone else in like Rumble or Gus. LHW was the hardest one in regards to doing #4 and #5
Alex should not be in that list, you said in the beginning that there's no recency bias and that is exactly what you did with the LHW, like those 3 former champions he beat didn't even defend the belt and got the belt by beating an old glover.
I don't think its that crazy, Pereira is the first LHW to defend his title more then once since DC and Jones.
My man lucas talking 20 mins about how people are gonna complain about dillashaw being low when he did not put suga on the list...
Gus atleast is def top 5 over alex, he beat shogun, texeira and jan and beat jan much more convincingly than alex, and arguably beat jones and took dc to a split decision
I agree about Gus, I would put him above Pereira and kick out Glover from top 5. Gustafsson smoked both Jan and Glover.
So much inconsistency in this list
Skipped to middleweight to see how you’d hate on Izzy this video and you got Izzy as one of Whittaker’s best wins lmao
lol because i think Whittaker beat him in the rematch
@@lucastracymma8764
And I think Holloway beat Volk in the rematch
Does that mean that I go out there and pretend that that was an actual win for Max?
@@lucastracymma8764 yeah you’re high
@@lucastracymma8764 if Izzy lost to rob volk lost to chad mendes
@@RealMrSmilevolk easily won 3-2 while rob won 3-2 in a very close fight
i love edgar bro but #4 at 145? thats insane. he'd be #4 at 155 if anything
He should be #5 at lw. I dont think the top 4 is arguable (you can shift them around but i think those 4 specifically belong there) but Edgar beat Penn 2x, Maynard, Sherk, and Bendo if we're counting robberies because the second fight def was. He has a ton of good wins at fw tho.
@@zarifinator1327 ive been a fan since like a infant lol, my top 5 at 155 is penn,pulver,gomi.islam/khabib tied, then edgar.
@@alex222toxic honestly Penn lost to Edgar 3 times in total which is why I can't put him higher than him. How is Pulver better than khabib, Edgar and Islam tho?
@@zarifinator1327 Ima be real, i thought he had a better resume in my head.
@@alex222toxic Penn is so good because of his Welterweight wins over like likes of Matt Hughes, and fighting in all weight divisions. He also did have an amazing lightweight run, but he's so good for his multiple weight division all-time wins. Also Takanori Gomi is a legendary fighter, but he should absolutely not be in a top 5 lightweight GOATS list.
Lucas out here giving us hope in a time of despair
This list is the definition of recency bias. You can’t say all the old guys are scrubs because we saw the end of their careers already.
I dont understand why or how you consider Aldo was in his prime at 32 when he clearly wasn't. Jot every fighter is in their "prime" from 29-33. Aldo's prime was 100% before he was 32. The dude was already a champ for years and years by the time he was 27, he got into MMA and fighting much younger than most guys and had waaaaayyyy more fights than guys do nowadays. Some fighter peak early...just like some peak later in their career. You as an MMA fan should know this. Like how Volk started MMA later and therefore peaked later because he didnt have as many fights, injuries and everything else that fighters who start when they are young so
Great comment. Yeah, Aldo stated he was already competing on Vale Tudo in brazil at age 16. I think this dude thinks age and prime are the same thing lol.
Aldo has a lot of wins after his losses
@@Dschwwyet aldo got multiple wins after his losses
@@Dschwwhe might not of been at his physical best but he wasn’t old or washed.
While I agree khabib wins aren’t great, you can’t ignore the dude never lost a round, maybe 1. And they way he smothers his opponents makes them look humiliated as the other thing they can do is look up at the clock to see if the round is ending. I feel like if he never retired, he would’ve continued smothering everyone
Ah, yes. I remember when Weidman fought Bisping and poked him in the eye, causing Bisping to lose the eye.
Honestly a good list, I see a lot of people make fun of your takes in our community but i took a listen on this video. Super unbiased I feel
I love listening to your videos at work. whenever I see an hour long video I get excited
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Same bro
I think the fact that Khabib effortlessly beat prime Poirier while Islam went to war against an older Poirier is what keeps him as the goat currently. But Islam will pass him with another 1 or 2 fights.
First time i’ve ever seen someone recognize how good GSP’s win over Jake Shields was
I actually really like the top 5 hw that you did, and personally I don’t even have Cejudo top 5 125ers all time, although I have him at almost a tie with joey b at 5
I really think you should rewatch GSP vs Hendricks, R1 is closer than most people remember. I personally scored it for GSP.
R2/R4 were clearly Hendricks', R3/R5 were clearly GSP. So I disagree with you so casually calling it a loss, since you at least questioned the other close fights for other fighters here.
Most people who call it a robbery havent even seen the fight, i still think hendricks won r1 but it was extremely close
Agree with you both. That fight is lowkey a draw imo. Hendricks was also on steroids btw, so GSP shouldn’t be looked down upon for arguably losing to a cheater.
@DarrenReddix-iv4um Exactly, that fight was one of the most clear 49-46s I’ve ever seen
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Tbh Hendricks pre usada and post usada are two different fighters so I don’t think many people count that against gsp
Bantamweight list is wild. Gotta get some hot takes out there though to stir the pot.
I honestly can’t bring myself to put porier above Olivera after Olivera clearly beat him while Dustin was in his prime.
@@Price-kl3lb Fair enough, but Dustin has beaten more champions.
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Its not clearly, Oliveira hold Poirier's glove to get him to the ground, before that Poirier was beating Oliveira badly in the 1st round. Right now Poirier is improved his wrestling defense better after BSD fight, I don't think he would let Oliveira hold his glove again.
@@timurjack8773Makachev literally hold gloves almost every fight if you look closely , does that take away from his wins too?
@@filipeocean2858 no he does not lmao, stop tryna gaslight
This was surprisingly great 👍
Lucas with the clutch upload
Lucas is so good at ranking, he jus turns into this interesting teacher i could listen to all day
Aint no way bro just dropped this banger 💀
he did
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
@@ItsameAlex you’re not cooking
We need a new video for him to say merab is the bantamweight goat
Performance-based rankings over W/L rankings is actually a good idea. It's pretty high effort though so I don't expect that there's enough knowledgeable people that could consistently debate that kind of thing. For example I think DP gained stock for his fight vs Islam. He clearly lost (was submitted) but I'm higher on him after than I was before
@@sweetshoez yeah he gave Islam a harder fight than Charles, maybe Charles and dp should have a rematch
I still can not get over your video about Spartans xD but this list is really good :D
counting robberies is such a Lucas Tracy thing 😂😂 im all for it
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
@@ItsameAlexlol how many times you gonna type the same stupid comment. So many weird fucks out there lmfao
@@ItsameAlexSTOP SPAMMING
You are such a casual HW fan lol. How can you not include overeem???
Overeem wins: Werdum 2x, JDS, Lesnar, Pavlovich, Mir, Arlovski
Easily makes top 5 lmao especially since you rate Werdum so highly
Damn overeems resume is way better than I thought
True but I think Werdum and overeem because of the losses shouldn’t be so high.
merab is crazy
Fr I thought I was the only one who thought that was way to overrated
He’s right
No one should be ranked as Goat top 5 without winning the belt first, at least an interim belt is needed.
@@timurjack8773so yoel Romero chad mendes or Frankie edger can’t be top 5 in their weight divisions. Sure merab at 2 is crazy but he’s def top 5. Only fighter to really beat Petr yan then long win streak with Aldo and Cejudo
Hey man good video, male sure to look into the camera while talking. It keeps your audience engaged
I'll be honest Lucas, this was a great overall list and a very entertaining video. I don't think you were being controversial on purpose either, you had really good justifications for your risky/less mainstream picks.
Bro said Silva was on thin ice 💀
He is. Id izzy beat strickland and ddp hes overtaking him
Silvas about to fall out of the top 10
@@kent_kastonly cause resume prime Silva would make mvp look lost
A decision machine, wet blanket like GSP who lost his belt multiple times throughout his reign can stay in the top 3 without a doubt, But 16 fight win streak, longest title reign in UFC history Silva who KOed damn near everyone who challenged him for the belt, sprinkled with a couple submissions, is "about to fall out of the top 10".
@@JT76912 boring vs exciting doesnt matter. Plus silva was boring as well. Plus gsp fought better competition
We miss u man
Agree with all the lists, also think Izzy and Whittaker are very close to becoming 1 and 2 especially if they beat DDP and Strickland respectively. Great job as per usual
If Izzy wins his next 3 you could make a case
But let’s be real Stephan Bonner is levels above beating Whittaker and Romero
When I needed long form videos for work one man posted when no one else would
Prime Cain Velasquez would have destroyed Stipe Miocic, Fabricio Werdum, Fedor Emelianenko and Francis Ngannou...
Cain não venceria fedor é werdum finalizou ambos
@@Tomas-wm3pk Fedor himself thinks that Cain is the best heavyweight ever. And we all know that Werdum beat Cain only because they fought at high altitude in Mexico.
@@j.m9555it’s out of respect I mean cains even said fedor is the best hw ever.
I think prime vs prime Cain would beat Werdum Fedor and stipe which stipe is a really tough fight and I know he’s better than Francis but I don’t think Cain would be able to deal with Francis big guy with big power. Francis is much better than lesnar
Your logo makes me think of Goatse
Lukey loves his ranking videos❤
I’m glad that somebody finally understands that Islam has a better resume then Khabib, and also better
Not including Benavidez exposes you as a casual.
Agree with pretty much everything besides middleweight. I would go 1. Silva 2. Adesanya 3. Weidman 4. Whittaker and 5. Rockhold
Oliveira Should be In Top 3 😮
Fr beat all of the top 5 at the time
How is poirier above Charles😭
bros resume is way deeper poirier fought the two goats and charles fought my boy zero fight iq mike for the bellt they arent the same
@@matthewgagliardi8429poirier fought the 2 best and lost and furthermore he lost to Charles as well u guys think fighting someone adds to their resume regardless if they lose and get dominated
An hour of UFC content amidst this absolute drought. You’re our hero.
“his win over whittaker was a little bit more decisive” 😂😂😂 like izzy didn’t starch him twice in 1 fight lmfao. he absolutely took your boys soul and you clearly haven’t recovered
That was a joke
Jans son perieras son stricklands son robs son yoels son u clearly haven't recovered cry tho dog fiddler
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. He said "a little more decisive" like we aren't comparing a close decision to a 2nd rd KO 🤣
Not to mention Adesayna dropped Rob in the second fight too,
@@JT76912Still lost it
Love the goat videos need more of these in the community
38:26 did you just poop Flukas
Great video Flukeas
W mentioning Jake shields
My pookie weidmans got another title run in him, I can feel it.
Aint no way he added Izzy to Rob and Romero's wins 💀 (still love you Flukas)
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Killin it lately Lucas fr
lucas single handedly saving mma wit these uploads while we endure this weak ass month😭🙏
"This isn't about bias"
*Proceeds to be bias for an hour* 🤣🤣
Yan>Merab. Yan has a higher quantity of tough opponents, and I feel like he’s gonna get more points for having such a close match against O Malley especially if O Malley ends up sleeping Merab like I think he will. Merab did dominate Yan though so I can see him being higher without having too much of a issue with it
Holy shit lucas tracy, I always open my youtube at night hoping you uploaded ❤️
Nutsack mma did this video and it was a banger, you could only dream of making a video as based as his
lol i been telling you guys i was about to make this for 2 days now 🤣
@@gabeharrison7683 Ayo another nutsack MMA enjoyer in this comment section, crazy lmao
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
The fact that the bantam weight entry is so debatable is a testament to how competitive that division is and has been even in its youth.
Chris Wiedman never fought Michael bisping tho or am I missing somehting? 😂
I had Vitor Belfort at the 5 spot and forgot to delete his win over bisping when I put weidman’s resume in lol
No worries mate jus keep up the izzy slander
I think this is a GREATEST of all time list, not a BEST of all time list. Difference? Greatest is about names on your record and body of work, best is who would beat most fighters in a one on one fight regardless of record e.g You might put Ilia Topuria at number 1 for featherweight. You might put Dricus above Robert Whittaker for middleweight (not necessarily, maybe you think their fight was the one in three where dricus wins). I would like Lucas to make a best of all time list at some point (rather than this greatest list)
Lucas, I NEED you to look at Nate Marquardt and Jon Fitch's records, they are some of Silva and GSP's best wins. After losing to Silva Nate went to Strikeforce and went to welterweight and beat Tyron Woodley, and Jon Fitch was on a 9 fight winning streak inside the UFC before fighting GSP (In which GSP 50-44'D him)
Aldo is above Holloway all time for featherweight and in general.
Swanson, Mike Brown, Faber, Florian, TKZ, Mendes2x, Lamas, Edgar2x. Flukas will put everything into glazing volk to the point that he will glaze fighters volk beat. Remember when he had a debate on Izzy and started talking about how good volk is?
Max beat Aldo 2x, Yair, Ortega, Pettis, Edgar, Allen, Swanson, TKZ, Lamas, Kattar, and Stephens. Theres really no comparison. 4 champs to Aldos 1.
Flukas is too biased to put aldo at 2#
@@zarifinator1327 Faber was a WEC champion, Edgar was ufc champion, mendes was absolutely champion level. Listing how many champions someone has beat isn’t the only stat to go off of. Aldo didn’t beat as many champions because he was literally THE champ for longer than any other featherweight lol
@@DarthVader-do8tu but he also fought all the other FW champs and lost to them in his prime. It would be something if e didn't fight them, but he did and lost to them. He's had he opportunity to fight many champs and fell short. Still a great fighter but we're comparing resumes and max clearly has the better resume.
I dont recognize half the names you said