BART fare-evaders are definitely on the naughty list. They should make fare gates that electrically shock you once you try to go through them without paying the fare.
We have the same lax attitude in Auckland, NZ. Why do they not either change the design of the gates or put staff there with the power to immediately detain them and impose a fine? It is very unfair on the people who do pay.
It's $4.30 one-way for adults with a Clipper card from downtown San Francisco to the Coliseum/Oakland Airport station, $9.15 from downtown San Francisco to San Francisco International Airport, and $6.75 one-way from downtown San Francisco to Warm Springs station in Fremont (the current southern end of the system)
Criminalizing the poor!! As if every poor person who hops a ride, is STEALING 5 bucks. As unforgiving rent hikes have pushed many out of their housing, Bart is nickel and diming the poorest to death. Look over there, that poor person stole a piece of bread!! Get him! Public transportation should be free, we should not have handed our ecosystem over to the auto and fossil fuel industry... but get those poor kids, they just stole an apple off the cart!!
@@doctorbigsmiles it has to come from somewhere so lets get on with the wealth tax already - I feel like disinvestment in public transportation is a symptom of a larger issue - US empire is crumbling literally...
Put switches on the gate box tops that if pressure is applied and no fair is tendered a bright flash and a photo/video taken of the cheat. Put sensors on the doors also if pushed back without a fair again flash with video and stills . No new gates only slight modifications to existing ones
Omfg. Just use a damn vertical spinning turnstile. Like what's used in many oil refineries. They are virtually impossible to get through unless access is granted or you bring a cutting Torch.
misskingstonjamcutie Is it really worth calling 911 whenever someone doesn’t pay $2? The thing is everyone does it. There’s not enough officers or time to arrest anyone who does it.
@@tyy2387 No one said anything about calling 911. Its not an emergency. The point is that transit systems that suffer from pervasive fare evasion should have police officers stationed in the buses or train stations. I live in NYC and fare evasion is rampant and only getting worse, especially on the fucking buses. 20% of bus riders do not pay! I have sat on a bus and seen 20 people sneak on at the back of the bus and thats just at one stop. It is fucking disgusting and infuriating for honest hard working citizens like myself who always pay. The NYC MTA has just raised the fare again to make up for a deficit but they seem to be doing nothing at all about the 20% of riders who evade the fare, which accounts for a $250 million loss annually. Are you suggesting that the MTA should turn a bling eye to this and push the cost off onto the honest citizens so that the low life losers can ride for free every damn day? Saying that there's not enough officers to arrest everyone everytime is not a viable argument because the point is not to get everyone every time. The point is to place enough officers in the locations where people evade the most to send a clear message that the shit will not be tolerated. It is a matter of deterrence. This isn't North Korea, so Transit systems operate on an honor system, meaning they rely on people being honest and paying their fare share for the transit service they receive, THe problem is that nowadays very many people lack integrity and accountability and want shit for free. So when it becomes obvious that people are not going to regulate themselves and do the right thing, then everyone has to suffer and police have to be present. Perhaps you drive so you don't quite understand or care about how pervasive fare evasion affects transit riders, but how would you like it if people were allowed to steal gas and that resulted in the gas prices constantly being raised? Oh and everyone doesn't evade the fare, you idiot. Most people have enough pride and integrity to not try to beg or mooch off of society, so guess what, they fucking pay their way in life. So they pay their housing costs, their food expenses, their bills and their fucking transit expenses. It's a simple part of being a fucking adult. The fact that you think everyone evades fare just tells me that you are one of the losers that seek to get shit in life for free. Grow tf up and take care of your own shit! Nobody fucking owes you anything!
It cost a lot to build ; the fares should help pay for itself in the long run . It will also self sustain itself by funding repairs . Making it free will only make it worse on tax payers. People not paying fares is making it worse. Before you ask why do we need rail transportation; we are running out of space in the highways , cities, and parking lots . These are efforts help alíviate congestion caused by over population.
@@oluhamilton2121 Also, the fares can be put forth for routine maintenance of buses, rail cars, stations, tracks, and other rapid transit equipment and buildings.
If you're rich and cheap then just don't ride BART if you don't like the price. If you're poor, then there are discounts which are easy to get. Yes, it's messed up that some people instead choose to essentially steal from a pot of money that we are all collectively paying into!
VTA trains are even worse these days, from what I've seen the vast majority of passengers aren't paying to ride. Given that the system only has around a 12% farebox recovery ratio, I say we cut our losses and formally go fare-free as it may be cheaper than trying to actually enforce payment (and as the 9-euro-ticket "study" showed, has MASSIVE benefits for the utilization of the transit system). BART is a different story, with around a 70% farebox recovery ratio prior to Dr. Sara Cody's brilliant idea in March 2020, but there's still a conversation to be had.
I think the company purposely didn't change the fare gates because the tickets they give make up for a large percentage of the money they make. I mean why else would they upgrade to similar look they had before. I'm also thinking that there isn't an upgrade and security because if everybody paid for their Fair it still wouldn't be enough to maintain a profitable transportation system.
I rode BART around Thanksgiving. I paid my fare. Here was the problem. My card said to see an agent. It became demagnetized.( I put it in my shirt pocket away from my credit cards.) Was there an agent at the station? NO. This was at the Millbrae station which is an intermodal station with Caltrain and an end of the line station. After waiting five minutes I called 911 and they contacted BART police. They paged the station agent. Ten minutes later I called BART police again. I heard a chuckle in the background. I guess they thought it was funny that I was a prisoner at their station. They paged him again. I could hear the page. Finally twenty minutes after I first called - he showed up. So much for customer service. Maybe if their gates worked correctly people would not evade fares. I did not crawl under or jump the gate. I waited for the agent. Again maybe if there were agents always present at the station, this would not happen. BTW I am over 65 and was told at that time I could not purchase a senior ticket. I found out you now can purchase all tickets including discounted tickets. So I was screwed twice, by paying more than I needed to and being held as a prisoner. This was during the COVID lockdown. Restrooms were closed. Stations and trains were more filthy than ever. Elevators were out of order. You would think with fewer passengers BART would have more time to alleviate these problems. Apparently not. They were two years late in just adding two more stations to San Jose. I understand the line in Santa Clara County will not be finished until 2030. I think originally it was to have opened five years earlier. Shanghai, China has a metro system larger than New York City. The first track was laid just 30 years ago. It is triple the size of BART. BART will be 50 years old next year. Why do the citizens of the four counties vote out their BART board? Customer service surveys show many riders think much less of BART than they did five years ago. I think BART needs new leadership. Either the current leadership does not know what to do or does not care.
They won't fix it because they probably have a contractual deal w/the company that makes these outdated gates. That is why they won't make it as a priority.
For a transit agency that has its own police department, you’d think this wouldn’t be an issue. They need to take away the cop cars and make the cops ride on the trains. Never understood why they need cars for Bart police.
The BART police probably patrol rapid transit stations and bus routes. In case an emergency should occur in a bus, the police can drive to the area and meet the bus. It is the same kind of patrol that is done in District of Columbia WMATA.
In Germany there are no barriers, and a low level of fare evasion. Just lots of ticket inspectors coupled with police officers. If you get caught without a ticket it is a fine of €150 payable on the spot. If you can’t pay then you are arrested and get a criminal record for theft. You only have to make the punishment harsh enough to stop the crime. Theft is theft wether it’s from a shop or the train company.
Nothing can be done. Anyone notice Dubai has the same gates and yet NOBODY fare evades because Dubai is just a good place (in terms of people). BART doesn't operate in good places. Way too late now.
Snap photos of people and make them pay or it comes out of any money they get from tax refunds to personal bank accounts. If BART would’ve did right in the first place especially the new stations, they wouldn’t be having this problem to begin with.
BART needs to upgrade their fare gates to prevent the evasions. Plus, have at least 10-20 BART officers at stations to catch them when the come in or out the system.
I honestly can't believe this is coming out of California. "Our transit agency is losing money through fare evasion; what do we do?" What? Make a list of where the leakage is, put doors on the most severe one first and work your way down. Completely block off the sides and hang a low-hanging sign. That way you can upgrade as the money becomes available. How does the director not know this is happening?
Yeah, I realize that. They are not paying the fares. They breaking the laws. Those people who doesn’t listen. I think they need reinforcement. They cannot go over. Make it tighter!
I would suggest that more police be added to the Bay Area Rapid Transportation police force. Security guards would get "walked over" by the riding public.
Is it just me or there seem to be a certain demographic group conducting a majority of misbehavior in those videos? Those people who's cultural/demographic identity shall not be named? are we still gonna play identity politics or start fixing things? Asking for a friend. UPDATE: 4 years later... nothing changed.
If BART does not take fare evasion seriously, if the head of law enforcement does not take fare evasion seriously........Then why should the fare evaders care?????? No one really cares, so why should the people skipping the fare.
I watched a video of fare evaders in England, and they use computers to track people who do not pay, and then use enforcement agents to catch the people and prosecute them in court.
Im from england, they only do that if u pay for the wrong card or openly fare evade, and they dont monitor u all the time, its very easy to get away with a crime like this lol
Looks like they could add spacers below the gates to increase the height from the floor, they are too easy to hop over. This would be an inexpensive option until new gates are installed. Just some simple 4" to 6" steel square tubing or C-channel bolted to the floor, then bolt the machines to the steel.
I'm doing some calculating. If it costs $250 million to buy all new turnstiles, and fare evasion costs $25 million in lost fares, there's a 10 year return on investment if these new turnstiles all last 10 years (I doubt that), and that stops 100% of fare evasion with 100% of these fare evaders all now paying their fares and either not trying something else, or just not riding BART (many will just walk between stations, or try a new method of free transportation like stealing cars). The costs vs. benefit here (new gates vs. doing nothing) sides with doing nothing. Maybe until there is some sort of automatic tasing of passengers jumping the fare gates (that could be a cheaper add-on to existing gates) this problem isn't going to stop. I don't live in San Francisco, but do visit. I feel a bigger problem is how dirty stations are along Market Street, along with transients sleeping and shooting-up on drugs in the stations. It's disgusting down there. One is literally tripping over unwashed homeless going to and from the trains. Go to metro stations in many other countries. They're pleasant to use, but not here. I wonder what tourists from other countries think when visiting S.F. after they go by some seedy parts of town (you know the areas) and are jumping over people sleeping on the floor in the train stations.
That New York City Transit fare is actually a flat rate. Some rapid transit systems like BART and the Washington Metro base fares according to miles travelled. That is why passengers pay upon entering the fare controls and exiting train stations. At least, paying the fare required by the carrier is better than stealing a ride.
If they put the same men who are checking fares on the trains at the gates instead then people would stop trying to cheat. Putting more pressure on the gates isn't going to stop those who swing above them as the video shows. As you can see young people cheat more now than they did decades ago, a sign of our current culture and lack of respect for authority.
Nah, it says more about the economy that mostly working age adults are forced to break the law to get to work because their government wants to charge them twice for public transportation
@@haha20121000 BART is not as subsidized as you seem to think. It's mostly funded from fares. If you want to make the system less expensive or even free then that can be done! But you have to organize to raise a tax to pay for it. Right now BART is designed to pay for itself from fares.
Couldn't you pay a guard $15 an hour to stand there and confront offenders? A person staring at you would deter at least half of those "kids". The gates appear empty of any oversight, only one cleaning lady even acknowledged the infraction. What about cameras like red light cameras. You pass through without the machine beeping, it snaps your photo, mails you the ticket with a photo of you running through?
It has been of major concern that fare evasion on the rapid transit system of New York City Transit (NYCT). Bay Area Rapid Transit is more modern than Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority (MBTA), Chicago Transit Authority (CTA), New York City Transit, even South East Philadelphia Transit Authority (SEPTA). Christians called fare evasion, "stealing a ride."
I have a great idea. Cut the fares in half and you won't have all these fare evaders. Plus, taxpayers will save money not replacing gates and hiring more transit cops...
One unnamed city not in California has begun citing chronic and habitual fare evaders with trespassing. Any business that sales goods and services (rides, in this case ) has to have concrete loss and theft prevention policies in place; BART does not. Escalating violence and exploding evasion of paying fares will hasten the demise of a once well run transit system. Enept leadership and highly suspect planning appears to be the root of the problem.
At least in the States you make an effort to stop ticket evaders. In Italy they gave up many years ago, or most likely they have never started to try...
I have ridden the VTA, BART and Sacramento’s Light Rail. The problems with fare cheaters and scammers are the same. When I ride one? I am not the nice guy that I really am. Anyone besides an officer will not get a nice attitude from me.
They need to hire security put em upstairs & downstairs watchin every passenger & scoping out the area around bart stations of the bay area there i used to take bart every weekend from 2014-2016 never had a problem w no one stuck to myself & knew where i was goin each time i rode bart. But problem is they don't have any security not even any cops maybe once in a great while 1 or 2 in the afternoon then they leave but you dont see any cops there you only see the person at the information desk sittin there then sometimes their not there at all..even when i was in Richmond one night reloadin my clipper card i seen a couple of guys hoppin over the gates without payin the fare but if only maybe the city could provide more fundings to bart maybe? To hire security,if they can have security for light rail in san jose checkin everyone for a fare ticket or scanning their cards to check if they paid to ride or not then why not use em for bart theyll make good minimum wage maybe $25 an hour for bart security..last time i seen bart security come on board was when in 2015 id say when i was ridin through MacArthur oakland to SFO couple guys came on checked us all for fares & went on by. They know there has been rape & murder & gang violence for many years & every so often it happens..yet nothing is being done about it.
@@Notamuffins That is the Most Ridiculous statement ever..it would help reduce crime & drug possession there at the station, would you still agree to call them racist if they put in full body metal scanners like they have at the airport? There would be blacks & whites & mexicans or asians that would be security guards there because that's the common race in the bay area but only if they have security experience or hold a security guard card.
If you look again at all the people that are going through the gates, I maybe saw one or two people that couldn't "afford," to pay. Now to me I see the problem as the price of BART is the reason why people skip the gates. Round trip through transbay tube is over $8, in New York you can go from the Bronx to Brooklyn and back on $5. The solution is simple, use the money used for changing fare gates and the extra police officers on outreach for homelessness or to keep the problem stations safe, then most importantly, CREATE A FLAT RATE FOR A SINGLE RIDE, raise the price of the ticket to $2.75-$3 for a one way single ride anywhere. I guarantee that the choice not to pay is a financial situation for most of the people going through and to make a more affordable ride will bring more people to ride and get the honest people that fare evade to pay.
I grew up in 1950's/60's Brooklyn and did some of this myself. A NYC subway token cost 15 cents in the late 1950's but we'd still sneak on the train (or bus) anyway. It was the principal of the thing. We called it; turnstile jumping, fare beating but officially it was theft of service. Not satisfied with just masstransit theft we used to put straws in payphones and use pennies to register as dimes to make calls from telephone booths. A dime bought you 3 minutes of call time. As an unruly teen we would ride the subway drunk and stand on platforms (usually at 2am when devoid of patrons) and try to urinate on the third rail. I could never piss that far. The consequences would have been disastrous. Ah, the old days.
Here is an idea, instead to a fine that people don't pay, the penalty for not fare evading is the cops get to taze you in the junk. I guarantee it will stop them from doing it again
BART's tech, looks the same as it did, when it first opened. Just dirty and worn... It's like the state, in general. A long time ago, it was shiny and cutting edge. Now, its filthy, obsolete.
BART: We are losing revenue due to fare evasion. 😱
BART: Let’s raise fares. 😎
Joe Jacques that’s logical. Someone has to pay.
Bart ridership drops 90 percent...
BART: 10% just can quit. Raise it up up UP!
correct. people who do not pay are stupid creeps & losers. it will never stop. not enough police officers.
@@jay1970 2
as if that will do something lol
Lol almost every fare evader jumped over. Increasing air pressure won't change anything.
Not a god damn thing!
Bart police is a joke.
The director is a joke.
BART fare-evaders are definitely on the naughty list. They should make fare gates that electrically shock you once you try to go through them without paying the fare.
We have the same lax attitude in Auckland, NZ. Why do they not either change the design of the gates or put staff there with the power to immediately detain them and impose a fine? It is very unfair on the people who do pay.
DC too, if they only could crack down, fares would stay the same and it would be a better system to ride on.
It's $4.30 one-way for adults with a Clipper card from downtown San Francisco to the Coliseum/Oakland Airport station, $9.15 from downtown San Francisco to San Francisco International Airport, and $6.75 one-way from downtown San Francisco to Warm Springs station in Fremont (the current southern end of the system)
Jacob Wang Then they wonder why people are evading fares.
@@brentduanefoster Very cheap considering the gas prices in SF is expensive AF.
@@sidneyboo9704 no, both are expensive
Criminalizing the poor!! As if every poor person who hops a ride, is STEALING 5 bucks. As unforgiving rent hikes have pushed many out of their housing, Bart is nickel and diming the poorest to death. Look over there, that poor person stole a piece of bread!! Get him! Public transportation should be free, we should not have handed our ecosystem over to the auto and fossil fuel industry... but get those poor kids, they just stole an apple off the cart!!
@@doctorbigsmiles it has to come from somewhere so lets get on with the wealth tax already - I feel like disinvestment in public transportation is a symptom of a larger issue - US empire is crumbling literally...
Replacing a single fare gate costs $416,000? Sounds like a brother in law price.
I'm in the wrong business.
Just have everyone stop paying for tickets and just hop over. If they do not seemed to be motivated to do anything about this, then force them.
Put switches on the gate box tops that if pressure is applied and no fair is tendered a bright flash and a photo/video taken of the cheat.
Put sensors on the doors also if pushed back without a fair again flash with video and stills . No new gates only slight modifications to existing ones
Wait, it’s going to cost around $400,000 to replace each fare gate ?????
$416,000 to install a fare gate?
Exactly....
They better be built by Bugatti.
@@matthewgroza lol
Craig Cuthbert Unions.
IKR... that's insane...
Bart is dirty af. I wouldn't pay either.
Yeap.
Every Car is dirty, crowded, and always delayed. I understand
They need to be more open to hire more police and change the hiring requirements..
Can't they hire a security guard to patrol the gates?
Then the security guards will be called racists and Bart will get sued.
@@Notamuffins The fare evaders are all races, so why do you think that?
@@SwolHumanist I understand the fare evaders are all races, but the media and politicians like to criticize only the cases that benefit their agenda.
That would cost even more money
@@SwolHumanist mainly black and hispanic
Omfg. Just use a damn vertical spinning turnstile.
Like what's used in many oil refineries. They are virtually impossible to get through unless access is granted or you bring a cutting Torch.
Ken himself was pretty worked up about this haha
He probably uses Bart. lol
How about you actually arrest them 🤷🏽♂️
Anthony Villanueva there is no need for arrest...
@@MiguelAnderson Theft of services is a crime. The fare evaders refuse to pay the fines, so perhaps arrests will work.
misskingstonjamcutie Is it really worth calling 911 whenever someone doesn’t pay $2? The thing is everyone does it. There’s not enough officers or time to arrest anyone who does it.
Bart recently has had officers stationed at every station and less people have been hopping. It's almost like using officers actually works 🤷🏽♂️
@@tyy2387 No one said anything about calling 911. Its not an emergency. The point is that transit systems that suffer from pervasive fare evasion should have police officers stationed in the buses or train stations. I live in NYC and fare evasion is rampant and only getting worse, especially on the fucking buses. 20% of bus riders do not pay! I have sat on a bus and seen 20 people sneak on at the back of the bus and thats just at one stop. It is fucking disgusting and infuriating for honest hard working citizens like myself who always pay. The NYC MTA has just raised the fare again to make up for a deficit but they seem to be doing nothing at all about the 20% of riders who evade the fare, which accounts for a $250 million loss annually. Are you suggesting that the MTA should turn a bling eye to this and push the cost off onto the honest citizens so that the low life losers can ride for free every damn day? Saying that there's not enough officers to arrest everyone everytime is not a viable argument because the point is not to get everyone every time. The point is to place enough officers in the locations where people evade the most to send a clear message that the shit will not be tolerated. It is a matter of deterrence. This isn't North Korea, so Transit systems operate on an honor system, meaning they rely on people being honest and paying their fare share for the transit service they receive, THe problem is that nowadays very many people lack integrity and accountability and want shit for free. So when it becomes obvious that people are not going to regulate themselves and do the right thing, then everyone has to suffer and police have to be present. Perhaps you drive so you don't quite understand or care about how pervasive fare evasion affects transit riders, but how would you like it if people were allowed to steal gas and that resulted in the gas prices constantly being raised? Oh and everyone doesn't evade the fare, you idiot. Most people have enough pride and integrity to not try to beg or mooch off of society, so guess what, they fucking pay their way in life. So they pay their housing costs, their food expenses, their bills and their fucking transit expenses. It's a simple part of being a fucking adult. The fact that you think everyone evades fare just tells me that you are one of the losers that seek to get shit in life for free. Grow tf up and take care of your own shit! Nobody fucking owes you anything!
BART Director was shocked? WOW
Limousine liberals are always *shocked*. They live in a bubble.
Even in 1972 people were jumping gates
One thing Bart can do is hire more BART police and have police stationed stations that have a high fair evasion rates.
Taller and more secure Fare gates work better
@Hentai Sensei just like mta subway new fare gates.
Apparently human evolution since 1972 has won over the machine.
With how high Tax is in California. Bart should be FREE
BINGO!!
It cost a lot to build ; the fares should help pay for itself in the long run . It will also self sustain itself by funding repairs . Making it free will only make it worse on tax payers. People not paying fares is making it worse.
Before you ask why do we need rail transportation; we are running out of space in the highways , cities, and parking lots . These are efforts help alíviate congestion caused by over population.
@@oluhamilton2121 Also, the fares can be put forth for routine maintenance of buses, rail cars, stations, tracks, and other rapid transit equipment and buildings.
@@geraldtlecomoctli4282Your comment is a valid point that should be well-taken.
What’s SHOCKING about people not wanting to pay crazy prices?
If you're rich and cheap then just don't ride BART if you don't like the price. If you're poor, then there are discounts which are easy to get. Yes, it's messed up that some people instead choose to essentially steal from a pot of money that we are all collectively paying into!
Fine should be $300. Need to present identification or be arrested if you fare evade.
That is similar to New York City Transit with the difference of the fine as $200.
Mine as well allow everyone to jump the fare gates since bart isn’t going to do a damn thing about it.
Exactly. People who do the right thing by paying get shafted.
my favorite are the folks who slam through behind me and my bike before the gates close back up ! pisses me off !
What should piss you off is the government charging you twice for public transportation
That is a real ticker. Even fare evaders can be annoying.
Turnstyle gates... the tall ones that go from floor to ceiling.
VTA trains are even worse these days, from what I've seen the vast majority of passengers aren't paying to ride. Given that the system only has around a 12% farebox recovery ratio, I say we cut our losses and formally go fare-free as it may be cheaper than trying to actually enforce payment (and as the 9-euro-ticket "study" showed, has MASSIVE benefits for the utilization of the transit system).
BART is a different story, with around a 70% farebox recovery ratio prior to Dr. Sara Cody's brilliant idea in March 2020, but there's still a conversation to be had.
I think the company purposely didn't change the fare gates because the tickets they give make up for a large percentage of the money they make. I mean why else would they upgrade to similar look they had before. I'm also thinking that there isn't an upgrade and security because if everybody paid for their Fair it still wouldn't be enough to maintain a profitable transportation system.
I rode BART around Thanksgiving. I paid my fare. Here was the problem. My card said to see an agent. It became demagnetized.( I put it in my shirt pocket away from my credit cards.) Was there an agent at the station? NO. This was at the Millbrae station which is an intermodal station with Caltrain and an end of the line station. After waiting five minutes I called 911 and they contacted BART police. They paged the station agent. Ten minutes later I called BART police again. I heard a chuckle in the background. I guess they thought it was funny that I was a prisoner at their station. They paged him again. I could hear the page. Finally twenty minutes after I first called - he showed up. So much for customer service. Maybe if their gates worked correctly people would not evade fares. I did not crawl under or jump the gate. I waited for the agent. Again maybe if there were agents always present at the station, this would not happen. BTW I am over 65 and was told at that time I could not purchase a senior ticket. I found out you now can purchase all tickets including discounted tickets. So I was screwed twice, by paying more than I needed to and being held as a prisoner. This was during the COVID lockdown. Restrooms were closed. Stations and trains were more filthy than ever. Elevators were out of order. You would think with fewer passengers BART would have more time to alleviate these problems. Apparently not. They were two years late in just adding two more stations to San Jose. I understand the line in Santa Clara County will not be finished until 2030.
I think originally it was to have opened five years earlier. Shanghai, China has a metro system larger than New York City.
The first track was laid just 30 years ago. It is triple the size of BART. BART will be 50 years old next year. Why do the citizens of the four counties vote out their BART board? Customer service surveys show many riders think much less of BART than they did five years ago. I think BART needs new leadership. Either the current leadership does not know what to do or does not care.
They won't fix it because they probably have a contractual deal w/the company that makes these outdated gates. That is why they won't make it as a priority.
For a transit agency that has its own police department, you’d think this wouldn’t be an issue. They need to take away the cop cars and make the cops ride on the trains. Never understood why they need cars for Bart police.
Matthew Groza - how else are they suppose to get their lunch ? Lol
The BART police probably patrol rapid transit stations and bus routes. In case an emergency should occur in a bus, the police can drive to the area and meet the bus. It is the same kind of patrol that is done in District of Columbia WMATA.
Try doing that in Japan and see how far will get you.
The honor rule is dead
As it should be for public services lol
just replace the entire gates into those full body turnstiles. not even a dog could squeeze in.
Add a automated machine gun turret. We would have a lot less crime
In Germany there are no barriers, and a low level of fare evasion. Just lots of ticket inspectors coupled with police officers. If you get caught without a ticket it is a fine of €150 payable on the spot. If you can’t pay then you are arrested and get a criminal record for theft. You only have to make the punishment harsh enough to stop the crime. Theft is theft wether it’s from a shop or the train company.
Nothing can be done. Anyone notice Dubai has the same gates and yet NOBODY fare evades because Dubai is just a good place (in terms of people). BART doesn't operate in good places. Way too late now.
Snap photos of people and make them pay or it comes out of any money they get from tax refunds to personal bank accounts. If BART would’ve did right in the first place especially the new stations, they wouldn’t be having this problem to begin with.
As long as my legs work I’m hoppin the stalls
BART needs to upgrade their fare gates to prevent the evasions. Plus, have at least 10-20 BART officers at stations to catch them when the come in or out the system.
Bart Gets the most money from any other transit agency in California They're not losing that much money
I honestly can't believe this is coming out of California. "Our transit agency is losing money through fare evasion; what do we do?"
What? Make a list of where the leakage is, put doors on the most severe one first and work your way down. Completely block off the sides and hang a low-hanging sign. That way you can upgrade as the money becomes available.
How does the director not know this is happening?
New fare gates...the next tax hike.
Have an ED-209 stationed at every BART station. The fare-jumpers will think twice before dodging fare. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They replaced the old ones with those fare gates. Idk why.
Dang i can hop over the gates and don't need to pay a citation. So Bart is a free ride.
SAME THING goes on on the border with Mexico!
Yeah, I realize that. They are not paying the fares. They breaking the laws. Those people who doesn’t listen. I think they need reinforcement. They cannot go over. Make it tighter!
They need to be talking about Bart security. 😒
I would suggest that more police be added to the Bay Area Rapid Transportation police force. Security guards would get "walked over" by the riding public.
People in NY still do the same too regardless of the gates they have
It is really about the cost of a ticket and the lack of social responsibility of so many Americans.
ShinTzaddi Amen 🙏 you said it right!!! Man this world is sinking fast bro.
Is it just me or there seem to be a certain demographic group conducting a majority of misbehavior in those videos? Those people who's cultural/demographic identity shall not be named? are we still gonna play identity politics or start fixing things? Asking for a friend.
UPDATE: 4 years later... nothing changed.
If BART does not take fare evasion seriously, if the head of law enforcement does not take fare evasion seriously........Then why should the fare evaders care?????? No one really cares, so why should the people skipping the fare.
4:45 Did he just say..?
Ha! Lol good catch
What did he say?
Maybe mimic the fare gates at Muni subway stations.. thoughts?
You mean the ones you can push right through?
Just send Bart to the principals ofice
I watched a video of fare evaders in England, and they use computers to track people who do not pay, and then use enforcement agents to catch the people and prosecute them in court.
Im from england, they only do that if u pay for the wrong card or openly fare evade, and they dont monitor u all the time, its very easy to get away with a crime like this lol
Looks like they could add spacers below the gates to increase the height from the floor, they are too easy to hop over. This would be an inexpensive option until new gates are installed. Just some simple 4" to 6" steel square tubing or C-channel bolted to the floor, then bolt the machines to the steel.
Why can't they get fare gates like MARTA or something
I'm doing some calculating. If it costs $250 million to buy all new turnstiles, and fare evasion costs $25 million in lost fares, there's a 10 year return on investment if these new turnstiles all last 10 years (I doubt that), and that stops 100% of fare evasion with 100% of these fare evaders all now paying their fares and either not trying something else, or just not riding BART (many will just walk between stations, or try a new method of free transportation like stealing cars). The costs vs. benefit here (new gates vs. doing nothing) sides with doing nothing. Maybe until there is some sort of automatic tasing of passengers jumping the fare gates (that could be a cheaper add-on to existing gates) this problem isn't going to stop. I don't live in San Francisco, but do visit. I feel a bigger problem is how dirty stations are along Market Street, along with transients sleeping and shooting-up on drugs in the stations. It's disgusting down there. One is literally tripping over unwashed homeless going to and from the trains. Go to metro stations in many other countries. They're pleasant to use, but not here. I wonder what tourists from other countries think when visiting S.F. after they go by some seedy parts of town (you know the areas) and are jumping over people sleeping on the floor in the train stations.
1:22 Somebody hops over the barrier lmaooo
lol
NYC MTA fare is $2.75 and you'll get a 300 mile trip if you like.
Damn. That's a one station trip for Bart lol.
That New York City Transit fare is actually a flat rate. Some rapid transit systems like BART and the Washington Metro base fares according to miles travelled. That is why passengers pay upon entering the fare controls and exiting train stations. At least, paying the fare required by the carrier is better than stealing a ride.
BART management needs to be replaced. They sit in private offices ignoring problems they're paid to solve.
If they put the same men who are checking fares on the trains at the gates instead then people would stop trying to cheat. Putting more pressure on the gates isn't going to stop those who swing above them as the video shows. As you can see young people cheat more now than they did decades ago, a sign of our current culture and lack of respect for authority.
Nah, it says more about the economy that mostly working age adults are forced to break the law to get to work because their government wants to charge them twice for public transportation
Liberalism at its finest.
@@haha20121000 BART is not as subsidized as you seem to think. It's mostly funded from fares. If you want to make the system less expensive or even free then that can be done! But you have to organize to raise a tax to pay for it. Right now BART is designed to pay for itself from fares.
When you make it THAT east to fare evade, you can't blame people for doing it.
"¡Ay, caramba!" ~ BART
Couldn't you pay a guard $15 an hour to stand there and confront offenders? A person staring at you would deter at least half of those "kids". The gates appear empty of any oversight, only one cleaning lady even acknowledged the infraction.
What about cameras like red light cameras. You pass through without the machine beeping, it snaps your photo, mails you the ticket with a photo of you running through?
Facial recognition software only works if it's connected to a database with everybody's photo & I.D. info in it & the database is program compatible.
I think there is a bigger probelm than Bart Fare Evaders. Do people have enough money to pay for Bart tickets or are they struggling financially?
let's boycott BART they keep on raising our fares while letting their other constituents get away for free all day
If everybody in mass decides to fare evade to make a point, BART when then be forced to do something.
Like he said "TALK....TALK.....TALK".......
The Brits have a simple system in place that takes care of this.
It has been of major concern that fare evasion on the rapid transit system of New York City Transit (NYCT). Bay Area Rapid Transit is more modern than Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority (MBTA), Chicago Transit Authority (CTA), New York City Transit, even South East Philadelphia Transit Authority (SEPTA). Christians called fare evasion, "stealing a ride."
Why isnt it free?
1:22
BART Director: These gates need to be replaced because they are so easy to barge through
Man Behind: Casually jumps the gates
I have a great idea. Cut the fares in half and you won't have all these fare evaders. Plus, taxpayers will save money not replacing gates and hiring more transit cops...
One unnamed city not in California has begun citing chronic and habitual fare evaders with trespassing. Any business that sales goods and services (rides, in this case ) has to have concrete loss and theft prevention policies in place; BART does not. Escalating violence and exploding evasion of paying fares will hasten the demise of a once well run transit system. Enept leadership and highly suspect planning appears to be the root of the problem.
Make access 100% impossible to get to the train. Fare gates that go floor to ceiling, disabled use a man monitored gate.
Make a one-way exit door. See about making hardened, floor to ceiling entry doors which are credit/debit card, coin, dollar bill, and ticket operated.
Those fare gates are so cool looking. Fare evading? Not so much...
Why not keep the gates, but add a MTA style bar on top, so when people jump: BONK!
UPDATE: ITS 2022 AND FARE EVASION IS EVEN WORSE
$250,000,000 for 600 that's about $400,000 each ? I'm in the wrong business
$250 million for 600 gates?! Are they 24k gold plated???
Electrify the gates
They lose 30 million... about 25-30
employees salaries. No biggie.
At least in the States you make an effort to stop ticket evaders. In Italy they gave up many years ago, or most likely they have never started to try...
This is what happened when you have too much freedom. These people need to receive capital punishment.
BART doesn't want to change their low profile gates because it will cramp their glitzy modern station plans.
I have ridden the VTA, BART and Sacramento’s Light Rail. The problems with fare cheaters and scammers are the same. When I ride one? I am not the nice guy that I really am. Anyone besides an officer will not get a nice attitude from me.
They are fare evaders. Like the Christians would call that crime, fare evasion is stealing a ride.
Turn the station managers into Bart police officers so they can ask riders to pay for the fare .
They need to hire security put em upstairs & downstairs watchin every passenger & scoping out the area around bart stations of the bay area there i used to take bart every weekend from 2014-2016 never had a problem w no one stuck to myself & knew where i was goin each time i rode bart. But problem is they don't have any security not even any cops maybe once in a great while 1 or 2 in the afternoon then they leave but you dont see any cops there you only see the person at the information desk sittin there then sometimes their not there at all..even when i was in Richmond one night reloadin my clipper card i seen a couple of guys hoppin over the gates without payin the fare but if only maybe the city could provide more fundings to bart maybe? To hire security,if they can have security for light rail in san jose checkin everyone for a fare ticket or scanning their cards to check if they paid to ride or not then why not use em for bart theyll make good minimum wage maybe $25 an hour for bart security..last time i seen bart security come on board was when in 2015 id say when i was ridin through MacArthur oakland to SFO couple guys came on checked us all for fares & went on by. They know there has been rape & murder & gang violence for many years & every so often it happens..yet nothing is being done about it.
The security guards will be called racists by the media and Bart will get sued.
@@Notamuffins That is the Most Ridiculous statement ever..it would help reduce crime & drug possession there at the station, would you still agree to call them racist if they put in full body metal scanners like they have at the airport? There would be blacks & whites & mexicans or asians that would be security guards there because that's the common race in the bay area but only if they have security experience or hold a security guard card.
The reason you never see the Bart cops is they're too busy driving around the city streets, giving out traffic tickets.
If you look again at all the people that are going through the gates, I maybe saw one or two people that couldn't "afford," to pay. Now to me I see the problem as the price of BART is the reason why people skip the gates. Round trip through transbay tube is over $8, in New York you can go from the Bronx to Brooklyn and back on $5. The solution is simple, use the money used for changing fare gates and the extra police officers on outreach for homelessness or to keep the problem stations safe, then most importantly, CREATE A FLAT RATE FOR A SINGLE RIDE, raise the price of the ticket to $2.75-$3 for a one way single ride anywhere. I guarantee that the choice not to pay is a financial situation for most of the people going through and to make a more affordable ride will bring more people to ride and get the honest people that fare evade to pay.
They would have to pay me to ride.
This is world wide problem fare evasion..The best plan is plan is to stop wasting taxpayers money and make the system free
Props to the news PA that made sure there was no poop in any shots.
Whoo $250,000,000 for 600 fare gates each gate is over $600,000 each. Wow
I grew up in 1950's/60's Brooklyn and did some of this myself. A NYC subway token cost 15 cents in the late 1950's but we'd still sneak on the train (or bus) anyway. It was the principal of the thing. We called it; turnstile jumping, fare beating but officially it was theft of service. Not satisfied with just masstransit theft we used to put straws in payphones and use pennies to register as dimes to make calls from telephone booths. A dime bought you 3 minutes of call time. As an unruly teen we would ride the subway drunk and stand on platforms (usually at 2am when devoid of patrons) and try to urinate on the third rail. I could never piss that far. The consequences would have been disastrous. Ah, the old days.
Here is an idea, instead to a fine that people don't pay, the penalty for not fare evading is the cops get to taze you in the junk. I guarantee it will stop them from doing it again
BART's tech, looks the same as it did, when it first opened. Just dirty and worn...
It's like the state, in general.
A long time ago, it was shiny and cutting edge.
Now, its filthy, obsolete.
agree! It is how US is going down. disinvesting in its cities and transportation systems so that the rich can hoard more and more wealth.
Same way democrats treat border security. Talk, talk, talk. Never doing anything about it.