Massad Ayoob - "Shoot to Kill" or "Shoot to Stop" Critical Mas Episode 10
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Even in a clear self defense shooting, the prosecution will try everything they can to get a guilty verdict. Massad Ayoob looks at the difference between the two phrases "Shoot to Stop" and "Shoot to Kill." Massad explains "Mens Rea," which is latin for "the guilty mind." He examines the case of Texas vs Amber Guyger. Be prepared to answer to the questions "Why do you carry a gun?" and "Did you shoot to kill?" Words mean things!
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Critical Mas(s) with Massad Ayoob is a show that provides expert analysis over a wide range of contemporaneous topics related to civilian and law enforcement self defense, the use of force, and second amendment issues, provided by a renowned and established author with a career spanning decades in training law enforcement officers and the public at large, who is frequently called upon to provide expert witness testimony.
ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - "Shoot to Kill"
1:10 - Words mean things
2:05 - Mens Rea
3:25 - Texas vs Amber Guyger
6:17 - Why do you carry a gun?
7:15 - "Shoot to Stop"
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I noticed this in the Rittenhouse trial, when the prosecutor, on cross, said to Kyle, "You intended to kill him, didn't you?" Kyle replied, "No, I intended to stop the threat."
While I think the jury got things right, that stupid, drooling Trump cultist was out on a hunting trip and got exactly what he was looking for. Doesn’t change the fact that he was attacked…but he wouldn’t have been if he hadn’t been somewhere he shouldn’t have been with a gun he had no business being in possession of. And that his mother who drove him there isn’t sharing a cell with the Crumbley’s is beyond me.
One can only hope the law suits bankrupt the little idiot and his mother. Rittenhouse had no business being there, with an AR, no less. Fucking imbecile caused the avoidable death of two people. Jurors in the case were similarly imbeciles, at least in the opinion of this former Asst DA.
@@zenadventurer69 you're being ridiculous.... the merits of him being there could be debated till your blue in the face. Citizens have the right to protect dwellings against arson, robbery, defacement. The group was there just to do that, to push people away if they try to enter the building unlawfully, to stop fires. However if the looters, arseners chose to start violently attacking the persons, then they have every right to defend themselves. While I would never put myself in that situation, especially knowing that there is potential for me to take a life, I understand why others have. the kid had every right to own that fire arm, a year later he could've been shooting it across the pond in the army. So the bottom line is that your arguments are grossly inappropriate when compared to the sociopath crumbley.
@@zenadventurer69 None of what you said is even close to being the facts of what happened. He was rendering aid to anybody who needed it, including protestors. He was putting out a literal dumpster fire that nearly blew up a gas station and potentially napalm people. And he had no duty to retreat yet did so multiple times, was attacked multiple times by people with no business pursuing him, and two of them died for it, and the third was neutralized by a shot to the forearm and thus Kyle STOPPED the threat and proceeded to get the hell out of there.
Oh yeah, and his dad lived in that Kenosha, and he had lived and WORKED there. That was HIS community, and if the deadbeat officials and cops had actually done their JOBS he would have never been in a position of having to be asked to help the community out in the first place. Don't whine when the cops don't do their jobs, the rule of law collapses, and the locals have to enforce themselves.
@@zenadventurer69 if you’re going to espouse your idiocy as fact, at least try to speak to the actual facts of the case. But then again, if you did that, you wouldn’t say anything at all.
This gentleman is a national treasure. Thank you for sharing your wisdom!
You bet!
He's intelligent and knowledgeable, but he is an alarming tendency tooth extreme social bias.
He has value, as do his lessons, but I wouldn't go so far as to deify him deify him.
There are many flaws to thinking and reasoning.
When your journey begins with an incorrect assumption then it will end in the wrong place.
@@kenkneram4819 Deify him? Not even close. I'm an atheist.🙂 But he's still a great resource.
@@epickett63 I agree that he's a terrific resource.
However he is extremely biased in favor of his "Tribe."
The guy has made a career out of helping police officers get away with murder.
I'm sure that not all of them were innocent.
I've noticed that his hard and fast rules tend to become a little flexible when it comes to his perceived value of the persons involved.
That's my only real complaint about him.
As a trial lawyer, I can tell you this is great advice. Awesome.
I have a legal question if you don’t mind me asking man…
What do you say to the 911 dispatcher when they ask what happened after you had to use your gun in self-defense to stop a threat on your life? (In the sense to not potentially incriminate yourself) Can those dispatch recordings be used in court against you to expose potentially incriminating evidence by the prosecution?
@@BeefCake1012 well without this being treated as legal advice because I can only practice in certain states certain places and I don’t know where you’re located, but I can say hypothetically can respect myself is that I know that anything that I say can be used against me even 911 recordings. Do you go to the Wilson combat UA-cam channel there is a couple videos sorry there are a couple videos from massad ayoob and he’s got a great series on what to say and what to do if that ever happens.
As usual in court, LIE, let the judge hear an excuse HE would accept.
Of course, the main goal is to permanently stop the attacker from moving every muscle, including the heart
@@BeefCake1012 the recordings WILL be used later.
"shot at and stopped the attacker"
@@BeefCake1012 I would say send an ambulance someone has been shot.
Then hang up.
This series should be required viewing for every new gun owner. 9 times out of 10, we purchase our first handgun with the intent to carry it for self defense. And Massad's advice on how exactly to do that and how to handle situations that could arise is just core vital information.
Definitely. This a resource everyone should be aware of.
Agreed, I've been watching his videos and a few others to absorb as much knowledge as possible in addition to visiting the range to train and hone my skills. Everyone first time gun owner should be very diligent and studious.
This is coming from a resident of NYC, just acquired my R/S permit along with my CCW. I will continue to learn and do my part to show others that gun ownership is not only a right but a responsibility we should all take seriously.
When you take the ccw class they teach you the different phrases among many other things. Even if you never own a gun the class is worth taking.
Every person who carries a gun should watch this. Excellent advice sir.
It is not new information. He has been saying exactly the same thing for decades. It is common sense to me, but common sense comes from a common experience. When I swung on someone in a fight, I was doing it to defend myself; not to "beat" them. I did not and do not believe anyone "wins" a fight. Some lose less than others.
My first reaction to even the slightest hint of "trouble brewing" is to run in the opposite direction.
Absolutely. Mr. Ayoob is such a huge wealth of information on the subject, and is always pleasant to listen to.
This topic is interesting to me. It’s so layered in lawyer that for the average individuals it’s impossible to decipher. Shooting in self defense. By shooting someone you have acknowledged the fact the individual may die, in order to (100%) stop a threat, the threat must be rendered incapable of movement. A wounding shot doesn’t promise a reduction of threat. We shoot knowing what the outcome could be fatal, but we verbally express that (stoping the threat) is the goal. It’s a perversion of law. I don’t have to change the (action) to find someone guilty of manslaughter, I’ll just change language of the (action). In my eyes this is the ending of second amendment.
In reality, all carriers of firearms should already have this mentality, but sadly, much needs to be corrected in the community
In October 1994 I stopped a home invasion in my home in the nicest neighborhood of Greenville, SC. I stopped the threat with a gun I kept in my nightstand. I did not kill the assailant. During the lead up to the trial and even after the trial the Judge asked my in chambers why I did not kill the assailant. My answer was simple; I did not have to. I was able to stop the threat short of lethal force. Another aspect of shooting to stop the threat rather than shooting to kill, is that it is easy to kill a person. It is much harder to deal with it afterward. Your life is forever changed when you kill someone. I speak from having 77 confirmed kills in Vietnam. Furthermore, killing someone in your own home carries with it another level of complications. Though I did not kill the assailant, we were no longer comfortable in the house, and within three months we had moved. I believe the scenario you have laid out is the correct one. Shoot to stop the threat, not to kill. Great video.
First, thank you for your service. You were able to differentiate between a killing situation and a self defense situation. Thank you for your calm and clear minded response, in either situation.
that story about the 77 confirmed kills sounds like only somebody who is a master of bushido could pull off.
Why were you taken to trial?
@@percyfaith11 I had a similar problem, but no firearms invoked. Cops will say, "one guy goes to the hospital and the other guy goes to jail". Judge and DA refused to drop the case. Excessive force is a hard case to defend.
@@percyfaith11 the obvious answer would be that the trial was for the home invasion criminals who were prosecuted and he was a victim
Massad Ayoob has been my firearms sherpa since the 1980's when I first picked up a firearm as a kid. I have carried a firearm both professionally and as a civilian since the early 90's and I can tell you for certain Massad's wisdom is always with me. I can't thank you enough Mr. Ayoob.
You are an official Ayoobian
Me too.
Shortly after 9/11 living in Atlanta Ga area I went down and got my CC permit. I carried daily, everywhere, until we were finally brought off condition red. I bought your book..In the Gravest Extreme.. It was outstanding, it open my eyes to a lot of foolish notions I had about armed defense, and how wrong I was. Based around multiple statistics, recorded events, and records listed in that book, I developed the proper mindset needed, if indeed, I actually needed to pull and use my weapon. Without reading it, I am sure I would have ended up on the wrong side of the statistics with my original notions and Ideas of self protection. The book served me well, and I have turned many to it. Thank You Sir.
As a corrections officer I was always taught to "shoot center mass and shoot to stop". I love how all of the armchair quarterbacks say, "shoot him in the leg (or arm)." Real life is different.
Sure shoot right through the artery so they can bleed out in less than 3 minutes 😂😂 they haven’t a clue
I'd say he explained the reasoning for that perfectly. Why would you use deadly force against someone if your life was in so little jeopardy that you shot them in the leg.
Shooting at center mass is shoot to kill no matter if you say it wss shoot to stop! If you shot 10,000 people at center mass and all 10,000 died as the result of it, then shoot to stop is the same as shoot to kill no matter what you say in court. Sure, words matter but if shoot to stop has the exact same outcome as shoot to kill, then it is equivalent!!!
@@LWRC Imagine that. My niece was shot TWICE center mass at pbr with a nine mm. She is still alive. Your point is taken but not entirely correct. Not saying you are wrong, there are exceptions.
@@brianstamm1314 Thank God she is alive. This is playing with words because the majority of the time, the person shot at center mass expires. I dare say that no one wants to try their luck at being shot in center mass and see if they survive.
This man's knowledge, his wisdom is priceless. He is truly a wealth made accessible for free through this channel. Absolutely invaluable. He is helping the average citizen to be more informed and therefore more responsible, which is commendable for a man of his experience. Thank you Mas & Wilson Combat!
Stone-cold TRUTH!
There are few that I trust 100% Massad Ayoob is one of them.
You're Welcome!
And his wig is off the chain
This is oure nonsense. Amber G. went to jail because she busted into a home that did not belong to her and killed the man inside. Then she didn't even try to save him. How in the world is that terrible mistake not punishable by prison? If I made the mistake, or you did, we would have met the same fate. You don't get to gun people down without cause and not pay for it. Period. It makes no difference what she said or didn't say. She fucked up, killed an innocent, acted as she didn't care, and paid the price. Fair deal. Open and shit. I do not care if the uniform was blue, we ALL must render under Cesar or justice does not exist. Kyle Rittenhouse was a terrible comparison. Any parents worth their salt would not of had their child in a state they do not live in at 17 years old out with a rifle in the middle of the night. If he would of been at home where his ass should of been he would not of had to go through what he went through. That being said, he was getting cracked by multiple folks one with a skateboard. At that moment he was within his rights to defend himself and he did. That was totally irresponsible for him to be there, however that was no murder. It's him and his parents fault it happened, that does not make it murder. There is a huge difference in these two cases. Kyle got lucky on the gun charge as it appears he was probably in violation of the law on that one. The rest of the charges were political bs. Let's not make political bs out of Amber's case. She went down, and lost her appeals not because of what she said, it is because her action were aggregious and indefensible. We would be in jail too. Let's call a spade a spade. Like Chauvin should be free right? Nope, he broke the law and policy and paid the price. Just because he killed a shifty asshole person does not mean it is no longer murder. Keep believing this bs while carrying a gun and you will meet the same fate as them. These are not difficult to sprite if you leave the cult thinking out of it. What if it was your son or daughter?
This video is 8 minutes long, but the amount of wisdom could surmount to years and years of experience. Massad IS the end all be all for teaching the ways and mindsets that concealed carry holders should uphold.
And the man sits there talking eloquently and concisely sharing this information FOR FREE in front of a camera to share among millions. Really have to tip our hats toward this man for sharing his experience as well as the other experts on this channel. Honestly, thank you.
When Massad speaks, I stop what I'm doing and listen.
As we should, Mas knows more than most of ever will.
@@droth2011 no wonder the US such a low IQ.
I went trough a ccw training class 35 years ago, the instructor said you are in a defensive shooting, only say three things, I feared for my life , I shot to stop the treat, and I want to speak to my attorney.
Say one thing, I need to speak with an attorney.
@@blackdotpatrick Exactly. Shut the hell up. Dont say a single word beyond that sentence to the cops.
@@kaspermj Massad gives slighted updated advice in a video on that topic. Not saying you are wrong at all; in fact, I agree with you but there may be a small update of what might be worth saying. Really got me thinking. ua-cam.com/video/zIJ4wLP_0UM/v-deo.html
@@blackdotpatrick Actually, I watched a rather lengthy video where Massad addresses this very topic, and he does not agree with you. 1) He attacked me (or whatever). 2) I feared for my life. 3) give a bare minimum description of what happened - but don't sign a statement and don't answer questions 4) say I will cooperate, but I need a few days to compose myself (and speak with counsel). 5) Point out any evidence and witnesses.
And always, always, always - by the first one to call 911. Always have a phone. There is more to the video - it is worth seeing.
@@scooter5940 never ever talk to cops. They are not your friends and are only trying to get a confession against you. Only speak to a lawyer
Back in the 80's, as a young G.I. I remember buying the magazine "Guns & Ammo" and Massad Ayoob was a contributing writer. He wrote about this very subject even way back then, when he was in law enforcement in New England. It's always been at the forefront of my mind if I ever got involved in a self defense situation. Thanks Massad, after all these years.
I also remember and article he wrote on how to gun proof your kids by teaching them how to do a safety check on any gun they encounter, including a gun at a friend's house if the friend displays it... we all know how those scenarios can end up.
Retired LEO, “shoot to stop the threat” is exactly what we were taught in the academy and annually during use of force training. Wise words from Mr. Ayoob.
Marine Corps combat veteran here. If that's true answer me why in some cases if deadly force is necessary every cop on seen opens fire ???
Nashville Metro Police say the same but then we got to watch more than 10 officers empty their high capacity magazines into a suspect whom they *thought* was armed. The suspect did goad them into drawing their weapons but it doesn't take over 100 rounds to stop a human. Funny how untrained citizens are held to a higher degree in a court of law than a highly trained police force.
Why aren’t more people as smart and also as articulate? What a breath of fresh air to listen to a smart articulate man.
Smarts disappeared long time ago
@@renegade7493
Smart is still around and was around when Ayoob began...where did he get his "smarts" ?
There's plenty of smart people still around. They just aren't spotlighted like the idiots are.
Most people go to public school run by purple haired communist that are busy telling their students about coming out on LGBTQ than teaching them English skills.
TFC- I'd offer that many don't take that "pause" to consider their answer. They "react" to the question, they do not "respond" to it. Lawyers want us to react, with emotion!
It is always shoot to stop the threat. Period
And deadly force by Mass Ayoob should be required reading at the very least
Shoot until the threat is neutralized. That is what we were trained,.
@@MrNukenin16 Is not posing an imminent threat to you or someone you're defending.
@@MrNukenin16 When the person is no longer able to cause serious bodily injury or death.
@ Comics Entertainment Studio, Yes.
This point of view has never been expressed in the few defense courses I've taken. Instructors have always said "shoot to kill" when in a situation that you can not get out of any other way. To be fair, they have always recommended doing whatever is practical to avoid a confrontation. I'll watch for this at the next class I take, and if not mentioned, I'll bring it up.
Glad to have seen your vid!
When I went through the academy during the legal part we had a deputy state attorney tell us that if we ever had to shoot someone in the line of duty or otherwise never to say I shot to kill, but instead say I shot to stop, as there is a legal difference and can mean the difference between being free or serving time.
When Mas says it it’s most definitely worth listening to. The man is a living legend. Situational awareness is the lesson for today.
just another gun freak
“Situational awareness”…👍
@@butchhaight what video did he watch xD
I had no idea how much I didn't know about gun ownership. Thank you Mr. Ayoob!
I watched the assistant DA in the Rittenhouse trial try so desperately to get Kyle to fall into this trap. With so many zealots within our justice system, you cannot afford to give anyone any reason to question as to why you shot.
Excellent points here. I remember watching that trial and when she said “yes” I cringed as well. I thought, I just couldn’t believe that she would actually say that. 🤦♂️. I think I speak for most of us legally armed citizens when I say we absolutely do NOT want to kill anyone. We just want to be left alone and want to come home to see our family every night. 👍🏼
I think Amber Guyger was a terrible example. She fucked up. She killed an innocent person in his home eating ice cream. So because she was a cop She does not have to account for her mistake? Wtf are yall talking about. She didn't go to jail because she said the wrong thing. She went to jail because she killed an innocent person for no reason. She went for her mistakes. Kyle Rittenhouse was getting cracked over the head with a skateboard and being wooped by multiple people. He had every right to shoot even though his 17 year old butt should of never been there with a rifle out in the streets. He was still justified in defending himself. Amber wasn't a victim. The dead guy was. What is wrong with yall? Keep believing this nonsense and you will end up like Amber. Don't rush into someone else's home and shoot them without cause, and you wont get Ambered. If Kyle was a home with his parents where he should of been, he would not have had to live through that. That being said, what he did was not murder. It was self defense. You can't claim self defense and you busted in the wrong door. Is this really that hard to separate. Her actions got her slammed, not her freaking words. She fucked up. And didn't give two shots about either until she realized she had no good defense to go on and them charges came. If you carry a gun, the most valuable information is to "think" before you get that finger on the trigger. You also have to accept you may be in front of a grand jury. So make sure it is your place before you go kicking in the door.
@@nsgfields Thank you. As a firearms enthusiast is important to realize when we're in the wrong. Always siding with the shooter isn't good for our 2A.
Unless they have antlers on their head. Then we kill them.
Much like my spare tire, fire extinguisher, and tow strap, I take considerable steps to prevent ever needing to use them, but I always want them with me!
I'm sure she never expected to end up in that situation, but sometimes the truth takes a back seat to public opinion, and anyone can end up getting Rittenhouse'd.
@@nsgfields Funny how the guys that owned the car lot that junior pissant kyle was "protecting" said he didn't want any of the armed losers there at all. Too bad the skateboard guy was not armed, and the rest of the crowd were pussies. Kyle should have been fed that gun, and taken to his mother in a bag.
Was just having this discussion with a friend, told her do NOT shoot to wound (shoot in leg ect) because some DA will be like "well you took the time to aim at a smaller target, so you must not of been in immediate danger ect"
you broke it down in a way that makes it easier to get the message across. 😁
I tell people this when they try that argument. If you are not shooting for the largest target (torso), and aiming for a smaller target at a place that is less likely to stop the threat, then you didn't feel that your life was in danger and therefore it's not a justifiable shooting
Now-a-days (2023) where words/terms are becoming more and more "re-defined" and "mis-used" this is very good advice from Mr. Ayoob. Thanks. - N Idaho -
I think I could listen to you talk about the different types of rocks in Utah. What a voice.
I remember reading in one of your articles when the shooter was asked if he shot to kill. The reply was: "I shot to live".
Thank you for your knowledge. In 2004, I almost lost my life to criminals and it's the reason I carry. To stop the threat is what I want to do at all times.
I learned this lesson 32 times over 32 years of law enforcement employment. I need to say that your words still enlightened me.
As a firearms owner for many years and a huge 2nd amendment advocate I can say this is very good advice. Time and time again I see people in forums, on UA-cam and even in person say things that really make gun owners look bad. They give those that oppose the 2nd Amendment reason to hate all of us and I can't for the life of me understand why they do this. As a gun owner I will be honest, I don't like many fellow gun owners because of their attitude and approach they have on many topics relating to firearms. Maybe that's why I normally keep to myself at the shooting range and go during off times, this way I can avoid these tacticool morons.
Never go anywhere with a gun that you wouldn’t go to without one.
Alcohol and firearms don’t mix. If you are uncomfortable patronizing an establishment or event where alcohol flows freely without your firearm I refer you back to step one.
NEVER, EVER, EVER get involved in a 3rd party shooting. EVER! Never has a stranger existed that is worth you potentially spending the rest of your life in prison for if something were to go horribly wrong and you shoot an innocent bystander. Collateral damage only works for the military. If if ain’t your circus it ain’t your monkeys.
I carry a gun for ONE reason. Because I’m too young to die and too old to take an ass beating. If you’re out there with an attitude that you’re going to be savior of the universe you do so at your own peril.
Follow this advice and the only time you’ll ever pull your gun will be at the firing range.
@@GenXMafia What does this long winded comment have to do with what I wrote! None of what you said addresses anything I mentioned. They make medication for this stuff, I suggest looking into it!
Been a student of Mas for 25 years now. His books & magazines are a goldmine of knowledge.
I remember a police officer telling me a few things....
if someone ever askes you if you carry a knife, just say no... it is a multi purpose tool.
If someone asks you if you carry a gun just say, I carry a life preserving tool.
If you ever have to shoot someone and the court asks "did you shoot that person?", say "I shot to preserve and protect life."
See-through BS. Cops aren't that smart. Say no you don't carry a knife so they can hold up a knife in court and say you don't carry this?? lol
@@majorpwner241 Well maybe you haven't met or spoke to the right police officers.
I work with sheriff and police department on a constant bases, and a lot of them are humans with different levels of intelligence.
You just made the assumption that all cops are the same.... So what does that say about your bigotry?
I've had cops tell me,
"ALWAYS say you feared for your life."
I find myself listening to, and learning from every syllable Mr. Ayoob says.
Mr Massad, that phrase should not come out of anyone’s mouth. As you said, in court, it hurt the female officer’s case leaving her messed up for years and loss of a career I’m sure. In firearm classes for civilians, this should be emphasized heavily as they are not officers of the law so it is even more vital that this “shoot to stop” be emphasized in their training in the classroom. The civilian carry and concealed carry classrooms need to specifically emphasize legal obligations of the gun carrying public regarding this “shoot to stop” subject. I cannot speak from experience but I did not hear that nor has anyone else I know that carries heard that. This is highly important for all who carry a gun in public or at their residence, even and especially in their car as well. Very good video!
No sir I have to disagree with you thanking us for watching. We should all say thank you for those great words of wisdom. By the way you are welcome, to continue to teach us all.
So nice of you
Thanks for reminding us of the power of choosing our words appropriately, especially in the legal genre.
Masaad Sir I love what you did with the name of your show Critical Mas. Most people don't know weapons grade nuclear material is not dangerous unless it hits the critical mass thus causing a exothermic reaction. The information you pass along is very critical and if you don't have the right information your self defense case can blow up in your face. Most people don't understand the imminent danger standard. I was a CJ major in college before going into machinist area of which I had earned a 2 year certification at a local college for free through high school. I been a machinist in the orthopedic industry for 22 years but am really considering trying to earn my credentials as a gunsmith. I love guns and have been reading your info as long as it's been available to me.
Thanks Massad, always good to hear it again. It needs to be ingrained in us CCW folks. Never had to pull and hope I never do. Good to know the right things to do and the right way of saying things when you get in a high stress situation.
Thank you. You may have saved some innocent lives with this advice today.
Glad it was helpful!
Yeah, too bad Guyser's victim didn't benefit from this.
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NEVER say/type 'shoot to kill'. NEVER.
Excellent video.
Very important detail.
Regarding the long term effects of your defensive shooting. Never discuss them. Simply discuss the shooting and the necessity to protect/defend/stop.
First because it is not your concern, second because modern surgery + rehab can accomplish miracles. People can be paralyzed and walk again.
“Spend enough time around the cracker barrel” lol love this guy
You will hear somebody say.... "Yo."
This is the most helpful channel on protection
Totally agree to what you say; to stop the threat !
I can’t wait for this. I took a Texas LTC class. The main objective of the concealed carrier is shoot to stop the threat not necessarily to kill. If the threat died due to untreated gun shot wounds then it is more of a secondary effect of stopping the threat. Intention is very important. Moderation in the use of lethal force is very important.
You can't wait for this?? You will find yourself in a bag if you go out looking to pick fights.
I'm with you, except that first sentence needs to be clarified. Especially given the video this comment is on lmao.... What couldn't you wait for, the video or to get the chance to say that you shot to stop? Make sure what comes across to others is what what you're trying to communicate
funny because I took one of those classes and I was told essentially to mag dump, because that's literally what police do on active threats.
@@majorpwner241 Maybe you should take a more responsible class - where the instructor realizes that the students are not LEO's.
@@scooter5940 Nah personally if I shoot someone I'm shooting to kill them. I don't want to be sued in court later, and they must have done something bad enough to deserve it anyways.
One of the most important lessons for all gun carriers to know
this is exactly why I watch this type of content, because it makes me think, and examine why or why not we might say something when asked these types of questions. thank you for sharing this.
Thank you for your videos. I recently found you on UA-cam. I’ve had a Texas CCL for 15 years. I’m learning a lot from your videos and appreciate all you do. Thanks again.
The gun I carry for the most part is for protection from 4 legged creatures because I like to wander around remote places to fish for trout. I had a few times when bears got a little closer than I like, luck they just walked off. A moose chased me up a tree, lucky for me since it's a lot of work to deal with a moose by yourself, been there and done that too. You are right words mean things, we carry to stop a threat to our physical selves and others. Thou I am inclined in today's environment to get out of Dodge first.
I would rather get mauled to death than deal with the legal repercussions of killing a bear
Shoot to stop. I don't want to kill anyone. My firearm isn't to punish. It's to protect and stop people from doing me/my loved ones harm.
Yes, but you may have to make the decision in 250 milliseconds . Don't underestimate the pressure.
It's hard to feel bad for guyger. Even if her version of events are true, only she knows that for sure, her careless actions led to another person's death, in his own home no less.
I don't feel bad for her one second.
No excuse for stupid, carelessness and shooting an unarmed man
And she was a cop too they should be held to a higher standard than the average Joe I would say she deserved the murder charge no matter if she shot to kill or not.
Mr Ayoob, thank you so much for all you do
These Wilson Combat trailers really build up the excitement for the man we love to listen to!
Unlike other trailers,he actually delivers what is promised.
@@doughesson My problem with trailers is that I get too busy to watch the actual event until later.
Sir you are an American icon. Your guidance is spoken simply, effectively and directly. I have learned more about how to respond in the event of life threatening violence and teh aftermath from you than anyone else.
Ive talked to lawyers who cringe when I tell them I carry. This is far and above what they were afraid to express .
I watch and learn every time I can from these videos! Thanks🤠🇺🇸
I've heard that "Would you?. . ." question quite a bit. Finally I answered "I shoot to live". Usually questions end at that point.
There are no absolutes . Human beings , even sage'd professionals can act/reacted differently according to current conditions , even the state of mind of the defender if they encountered a personal stress event before hand and went to work upset. Too many variables in life . Maybe the best thing to remember is invoke your right to remain silent and say nothing to investigators until counsel is at your side.
A very important fact; all law enforcement officers carry voice recorders. Once you say something, it goes on record
Thank You so much for this video. it clarified something I was unable to make sense of for most of my life. I stopped carrying for a long time because my grandfather always said that awful phrase, "shoot to kill," and I've never want to kill or harm anyone. But I will do anything to protect my loved ones and an otherwise peaceful way of life.
Excellent video Mr. Ayoob. I was having this very discussion a while back and I was the only one that took the 'shoot to stop' side. My main reasoning was because of all the unknowns with who the threat is coming from. Your legal exposure argument is even more compelling. I knew I was right!
I like that phrase for your defensive firearm, “emergency safety rescue equipment,” as it must be.
Fantastic concept, you own a gun not to harm anyone, you own it to rescue yourself from a life threatening situation. Only thing is if police officer will like your answer in a traffic stop and ask you "do you have a weapon ?"
Great video and advice. It's sad that law abiding people can, and do often become the victims of parsed words.
Really like your broadcasts.
You come across very well.
Keep up the good work!
Some of us appreciate what you do.
It only takes one mistake to ruin your day. Be aware of your surroundings and shoot to stop only in an emergency. Great advise.
Mas, you are a National treasure! Thank you
Boy am I glad I found this channel. Instant subscribe! As a new gun owner (year and a half), I've been drowning myself in learning everything I can with all of this... and this is the first time I heard this from this standpoint. Everywhere else say it's "shoot to kill", and that never sat right with me.
Glad to hear you are onboard. Share our channel with your friends too!
I agree, excellent information especially for new prospective gun owners like myself
No better advice. I have long argued this very point. I even taught my children, walking away from a conflict is not cowardice and should be done whenever possible. Standing up to a bully with defensive purpose is sometimes necessary, but knowing when to stop is duty.
Thank you, Mr. Ayoob for your insight. I learn from you every time I listen to your video's.
This is one of the most valuable videos I've watched in a long time.
Thank you Massad for taking the time to help people understand the use of lethal force. You can never get enough training or knowledge when it comes to self defense. If one is lucky, they'll never have to engage in the use of lethal force. If I don't see you again, Merry Christmas and have a happy new year.
Mr. Ayoob,
Thank you so much for your wisdom & priceless advice!
Massad Ayoob YOU ARE THE BEST. I ADMIRE THE WAY IN WHICH YOU REFREAH OUR MINDS TO STAY OUT OF LEGAL TROUBLE AFTER A SHOOTOUT WITH A LOWLIFE.
Extremely valid points. Thank you for sharing and highlighting these concerns.
Invaluable information. Thank you sir.
ABSOLUTELY priceless advice🇺🇸
These straight forward, easy to understand videos are a service to mankind. Thank you for helping my family and friends be safe.
Awesome video & Crucial information. Thank you for your time to better educate us. And thank you for your service in Law enforcement.
Thanks Mas you don't have to do these videos for free but thank God you and the Wilson combat team do because this is invaluable knowledge!
Powerful, this man is a treasure!!
The best and most useful comments on the subject I've ever heard. Great work.
Sir, thank you for this extremely informative video.
This man has so much knowledge of the dynamics of self defense , the law and common sense . Subscribed
Best advice I've heard, especially for the inexperienced, untrained people's mindset when it comes to armed self defense.
When you're suddenly involved in your first shooting, it's easy to be completely overwhelmed with fear and adrenaline and everyone who ever said "empty the whole magazine and be sure they're dead" can run through your mind or you may just go blank at that very moment and pull the trigger a lot. Until the gun doesn't shoot anymore a lot. It's on TV all the time and the repetition of these words/scenes are in the subconscious. That needs to be overridden.
I've been trained over and over to "shoot to stop the threat..." You shoot until the threat is over/neutralized. If one shot stops the threat, he dropped the knife, he's on the ground and can't hurt you anymore, the fight is *over.*
I grew up hearing all the "dead men tell no tales, if you shoot, shoot to kill so he can't come back and testify against you," etc., etc.. That's all pomp and circumstance to sound good for an ego.
If there's people around and they see you put one in the "T box" *after* he was down and no longer an active threat, they're going to say that you went too far and it's manslaughter.
I was trained the same way in the military, that there's a level of responsibility that comes with shooting somebody. I'm not talking about fast moving in a combat situation, I'm talking about shooting somebody in an isolated situation as an active member of the service, be it on or off dury.. You will be going to military court and possibly civilian court, as well.
If your first shot or two (I'm a double tapper) does the job and you stop the threat, any witnesses will back you and the attacker will be unable to just say "he shot me for no reason," etc..
Keeping a clear and alert mindset when you draw your weapon will save your life and your position in the eyes of the court. And the lord.
I’m glad I watched this, I learned something here, I have said shoot to kill before, but my intentions were really to stop the threat, I’m glad that you outlined this basic and important phrase, I will never say that again when asked, none of us would ever want to use deadly force, that would be a horrible experience, but if we ever had to, it’s always to stop the threat and get away, not to intentionally kill another human being. Thanks for this video Mas. 🙏🏽
Quality, straightforward discussion on matters that important to us all. With thanks
as always, Mas shares his legal and moral wisdom. Thanks.
Well, after watching only two videos, having found the first one without looking for it, your wisdom and advice is so astounding, I subscribed and rang the bell. A wealth of knowledge and advice here. The reasoning for "Shoot to Stop" makes is crystal clear point. I watched it twice to better capture and retain both points. Thank you!
Thank you so much. I’ve listened too several of your videos and gained valuable information about my legal responsibilities. There are a few cowboys around that need to listen up. I’ll be sure to share with friends. You are the man.
Good advice from a very knowledgeable person. Thank You Mass.
Thanks for the enlightening. I never thought about that phrase as it would be used in a court of law.
I LOVE how you give a summary, and indexed list with links to the "Chapters" in your video.
To me that means that your videos are the complete opposite of "Click Bait"
You give the option to just read the description (for now) if I'm pressed for time or can't turn on the audio - and also the option to watch just the segments I'm interested in (which is really useful if I want to watch the video in several short sittings).
EXCELLENT on your part, on so many levels. You strike me as a true educator - the kind of person who wants to teach in order to inform... not so much in order tot make money.
I stumbled upon one of your videos, and I expect I will be watching quite a few more of them.
This is perhaps the most important gun education video I've ever seen!
Thanks!
Justifiable defense, the purpose is a defining element, words have meanings. Mr. Ayoob's knowledge runs deep, pay attention and God bless!
This video is absolutely great! Every CWP should watch it and take heed! Ya taught me things that I thought I understood, but had wrong. Ya made everything crystal clear. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great teaching. Thank you Massad
Thank you Mas. You've opened my eyes.
Massad said this 20+ years ago, and I as a security officer, and bodyguard took that to heart. This is also what I used when hand to hand combat was used to stop criminals.
This is an excellent and extremely crucial presentation, with which I completely concur. Words absolutely count, they are critical. We should be very precise and unambiguous in the words we use . . . particularly in situations where every word may be intensionally distorted to alter the intended meaning for self-serving political and/or ideological purposes.
Thank you again Sir great insight for the firearms community and those who carry. Keep that knowledge train running.
Well done Sir.
This is clearly one of the most valuable videos I have ever watched. Thank you.