Silverwing Quickish-Tip: Understanding BxDFs

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  • Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
  • Made Using C4D 2023.2.1
    Octane 2022.1.1 R5
    This week its a rather technical topic of the "Understanding ..." series.
    Hopefully you like this approach and learn something from this!
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    00:00 Intro
    00:24 What are BxDFs
    04:03 Where to find BxDFs in Octane and Benefits
    04:56 Mictofacet Model: Mirror like Reflections
    06:13 Mictofacet Model: Raough Surface
    07:46 Mictofacet Model: Ray Distribution
    09:54 Reflection Diagram: Beckmann
    10:16 Reflection Diagram: Explanation In C4D
    11:27 Reflection Diagram: GGX
    12:14 GGX Real World Example
    14:17 Hands On: 3D Scene Refl. Roughness
    14:52 Hands On: Octane BxDF Roughness Scale
    15:46 Hands On: Octane BxDF Max Roughness
    16:27 Hands On: Octane BxDF Anisotropy
    16:27 Hands On: Octane BxDF Anisotropy
    17:17 Hands On: Quick Look at Standard Surface
    16:27 Hands On: Fringe Cases Frosted Glass
    19:31 Hands On: Fringe Cases STD BxDF
    22:13 Reflection Diagram: Comparing BxDF Graphs
    23:38 Summing Up & Recommendation
    24:38 Patreon Shoutout & Outro

КОМЕНТАРІ • 56

  • @WillGibbons
    @WillGibbons Рік тому +7

    A masterclass in pedagogy! I'm not a C4D user, but am always here to learn from how you teach and pick up any tips that are render engine agnostic. Thanks!

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Oh man, thank you very much for your great comment. Such kind words. It means quite a lot that you watch my videos even if they don´t use the software 🙏 🙌

  • @emmanuelchacon8900
    @emmanuelchacon8900 Рік тому +1

    27:04 Still here and thank YOU.

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      🙏🙏❤❤ Also huge thank you for watching it all!

  • @FreakeSport
    @FreakeSport Рік тому +1

    never even thouched the STD model. Thanks for the video, very insightful!

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      You are very welcome. Usually one is fine with GGX Energy Preserving. I think its a "The more you know" situation 😄

  • @bazibada
    @bazibada Рік тому +1

    Thank you that's so interesting !

  • @alokitpathik811
    @alokitpathik811 Рік тому +1

    Most awaited tutorial thank you so much

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      Thank you very much 🙌 Hope it meets your expectations ✨

  • @chalvlad
    @chalvlad Рік тому +1

    thanks , i have to watch it 10 times😄

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      😅 Ha ha ha thank you for your dedication!
      I hope you get out some useful info in the end 😇

  • @binyang9530
    @binyang9530 Рік тому +1

    Great tutorial!

  • @whitekraw
    @whitekraw Рік тому +3

    It's always great to see a long video, and you "distributed" so much knowledge in this video. Thank you so much!!!

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      Always super nice to read such nice things in comments. Also my thanks to you 🖖

  • @rhinotoday
    @rhinotoday Рік тому +3

    Appreciate for your detailed explaination🎉

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Thank you very much for your fast comment. Much appreciated 🙌

  • @ranks6670
    @ranks6670 Рік тому +1

    It was quick indeed

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Ha ha ha 😊
      It went loger then expected 😇

  • @yungbuttermilch
    @yungbuttermilch Рік тому +1

    DANKE!

  • @NewPlastic
    @NewPlastic Рік тому +1

    Well looks like you saved me from making this video. Great stuff as always dude!

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Ohhh, super nice seeing you on the channel 🙌✨
      Thank you so much for your great tutorials. Appreciate them.
      Cheers and a great time to you!

  • @ThomvanVliet
    @ThomvanVliet Рік тому +1

    I love these deeper subjects. It teaches my WHY I should need or use certain elements which are otherwise simply "different models I'm trying out to see what works"

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Thank you very much Thom. Very glad you liked it 🙌

  • @yassinrupp146
    @yassinrupp146 Рік тому +1

    what a great tutorial!
    +1 for an Advanced IOR Tut.

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Yes, very nice seeing your comment here 🙌
      Fantastic to hear that. And also thanks for your +1
      Have a great start into this week ✨

  • @zotake
    @zotake Рік тому +1

    Masterclass! I really needed to understand the differences between the BxDF's. Thank you!

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      Hey hey, first again big thank you for becoming a Patreon. Really appreciate it.
      And next thank you for your nice comment. Super glad you liked it and found it useful!

    • @zotake
      @zotake Рік тому +1

      @SilverwingVFX you are welcome! It's so good to support someone like you. Let's keep going!

  • @ColinCharles3D
    @ColinCharles3D Рік тому +1

    Precious knowledge right here Raphael thank you for all the hard work and for sharing it.

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      Thanks so much Colin. Much appreciate your nice comment 🙏 ✨

  • @awolism
    @awolism Рік тому +1

    Great stuff! Would love a deep dive into fresnel as well!

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Thank you very much for your Answer. Appreciate it!

  • @StijnOrlans
    @StijnOrlans Рік тому +1

    Love these more theoretical videos! Really takes your work to the next level if you have a fundamental understanding of what's going on behind the scenes in these programs.

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      Thank you so much for your nice comment 🙏🙌
      Yes that´s exactly what drives me to understand all those things. Its always great to have some background. Especially when troubleshooting.

  • @MrBrainsquash
    @MrBrainsquash Рік тому +1

    Now I understand better why and when. Thanks!

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      That´s super nice to hear. Thank you very much for your comment!

  • @Jimioc123
    @Jimioc123 Рік тому +1

    This is great, I always picked at random and didn't know what the difference was. The theory behind it is so important and I really appreciate your work

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Thanks you so much for your precious comment. Super glad you found the vid helpful!

  • @0zaidi
    @0zaidi Рік тому +1

    I’m glad to know that the octane brdf hack for frosted glass is approved by an expert! Also I like the smart use of resolve at the end, lot’s of value as usual ✨

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      Hey Zaidi, ha ha super nice to see that I am not alone with my frosted glass technique. Thanks so much for watching till the End! I figured out that workflow with DaVinci when I was verifying Fresnel curves 😇

  • @LuiNogueira
    @LuiNogueira Рік тому +1

    this is gold

  • @vladan.Poison
    @vladan.Poison Рік тому +1

    Raphael thank you for this..its very tech-y but its who you are. I love you for that ! 2 week ago i got pissed so much on octane that i've decided to shift to RedShift
    I am nearly there. watched over 150 hours of top shelf training and i am very excited on the power of RS. Hope you switch to it soon .

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Hey Vladan,
      thank you for your comment. I use RS too on a (more or less) regular basis for my job. So in terms of "switching" I am actually using both. Though I prefer Octane for my work 😇
      If you want great RS tips I can recommend:
      www.youtube.com/@gernge
      Its a friend of mine who recently started making RS tuts!

    • @vladan.Poison
      @vladan.Poison Рік тому

      @@SilverwingVFX checked your friend's "RS tweak section". From the overall experience every case scenario is going to have its own settings. There is no magic button in any render engine. Thank you and wish you make some RS tuts on AOV's.- but your way - i mean all the way..

  • @georgeluna6217
    @georgeluna6217 Рік тому +1

    Awesome, was looking for a long time for this info! what about when using maps for each channel? Does it make any difference if using octane's default or GGX?

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      Hey there and thank you very much for your comment.
      As I show in the video, there is a difference in roughness from the Octane to the other BSDFs. A texture is just driving the roughness vales as the slider would. Just with a different (slider) value for every pixel. So in other words, yes Octane will give other roughness values vs the other BSDFs using the same texture.
      If you are in an PBR workflow, the go to is usually uses Energy Preserving GGX. So if you want the intended result from those textures, use Energy Preserving GGX.
      Hope that helps 🙌

    • @georgeluna6217
      @georgeluna6217 Рік тому +1

      @@SilverwingVFX many thanks for multiple time 😌

    • @georgeluna6217
      @georgeluna6217 Рік тому +1

      @@SilverwingVFX I suppose that's also apply when using universal material? In a sense with any material type GGX (ep) is the way to go?

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому +1

      @@georgeluna6217 Yes, GGX Energy Preserving is a very foundation. As I said in the video, there are some minor exceptions. But in general you can´t go wrong with GGX EP. No matter what material type.

  • @metalrender4374
    @metalrender4374 Рік тому +1

    wear clothes, wow how did you do that? Did you create it yourself or does it come in cinema 4D, can you make a tutorial?

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Hey there and thank you very much for your comment.
      Actually Conrelius Dämmrich made the cloth sims in Marvellous Designer for me 🙌
      So unfortunately I can´t make a tut for this 😅 😇

  • @maxtarpini
    @maxtarpini Рік тому +1

    It's "Student's t-distribution". More important really.. the bell shaped stuff you posted are probability densities (PDFs) and not 'BSDF' and mainly, the Y axe is not 'reflection strength' by any means... the top of the curve for example represents a mirror reflection probability.. so let's say roughness is zero, the whole curve will be just a straight line pointing to the top (ie. an impulse aka a Dirac).. meaning you don't have any other probability to shot other directions than a mirror one.. then the higher the roughness the fatter the curve .. meaning the range of directions is increased and different directions have some probabilities to kick in.. of course the more directions the less reflection strength because more stuff is sampled (ie. in your examples.. not all directions will sample a light.. producing the visual falloff typical of specular highlights).

    • @SilverwingVFX
      @SilverwingVFX  Рік тому

      Hi there. My bad. I should have called it Students-T Distribution!
      Other then that your answer is 100% the same I am explaining in the video. I made the decission to not show curve distributions of varying roughness because it might be more confusing for newbies. A text box is explaining that it´s a fixed roughness level in the video.

    • @maxtarpini
      @maxtarpini Рік тому +1

      ​@SilverwingVFX I have to nitpick the name because so I'm able to introduce you to the real story of the distribution.. it's Student's t-distribution.. 'Student' was the pseudo name the original author used instead of his own... then using a capital T or not it's up to you.. till we agree on the final meaning, that is .. the T distribution of Student. The long story has to do with beer ! W. Gosset was the original author but he was working for Guiness and Guiness prohibited to publish stuff with own names because of NDA. Eventually he determined the distribution actually while he was doing quality control in various stages of the production process of Guiness beer ! There would not be a STD distribution without beer probably ! Cheers 🍻