Best VRM Cooling (30c Temperature drop)
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30°C+ VRM temperature drop for 50 cents
for MSI Motherboard
#VRMTempretureDrop
In This video i have shown how you can install heatsink to your motherboard VRM for better cooling if you have basic motherboard.
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Still cooling up after more than 2 year - ua-cam.com/video/Yq6blwn2phg/v-deo.html
but you add too much glue man
This method have definitelly helped me with old i7 thermal throttling while overclocking. It works perfectly now thanks mate !
Glad it helped
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For a better comparison measure the back of the motherboard where the VRMs are, before and after
Do you have motherboard without heat sink on VRM's? then this video is for you!
This is incorrect you should Red the temps of the actual VRM using something like a hwinfo64 not the fins would you measure your cpu temp by putting your thermometer on the cooler fins or do you use a tool to measure the actual cpu temp
Cooler fin temps are always very low
Do NOT paint your heatsink... that only insulates heat and reduces the effectiveness of the aluminum or copper. If you desire a black heatsink, buy a black anodized product. If you are using liquid cooled cpu cooler, be sure to add a fan to the VRM heatsinks to ensure proper heat dissipation
Goofy ahh
Thank you I was about to install a watter cooler
I give you like after 52 sec of vid, coz of straight to the point and music is awesome! God job!
old video. it really helped me. thanks bro.
nice video bro!
Is your cpu overclocked? I want to improve my cpu on stock settings and install a cpu cooler like you, will I get such temperatures like you (90°c+ temperature)? I don't have a heatsink
Nice video broh, thank you for your information.
4:56 - Putting oil from your fingers on the underside of the heatsink is essential for proper operation. 😁
Thank you much, can you say how long the glue last on the vrm´s? dont have to fall it on the gpu^^
Need to be very careful with this kind of solution. You measured 30 degree drop in temp but you don't know if that is because the heat transfer from the VRM to the heatsink is now poor. As in, more heat is now contained in the component and less heat is getting through to the heatsink compared to when the VRMs were in open air. The heatsink is painted and there may be the tiniest gaps between the components and the heatsink itself, even with the plaster. So the heatsink measures a lot cooler than the body temps of the VRMs
Remember its not the temperature of the heatsink that matters, it is the temperature of the VRM component that matters. You need to somehow measure the temp of the actual components otherwise you may experience early failure and not understand why.
Normally you can't measure copper surfaces with a pyrometer at all, as their emittance factor in the frequency range that the pyrometer picks up is like 0.03, as opposed to 0.95 that the pyrometer is calibrated against, so you just see reflection of the environmental heat rather than emitted heat, and you need to take into account the pickup pattern of the IR optics, so it's difficult to avoid contaminating the measurement. The paint, while reducing thermal performance, might have actually helped with the measurement, but it's still inconclusive, since it's difficult to say how much of it is on there. Still, the mod is likely to have been beneficial.
A good proxy measurement is just the PCB temperature in direct vicinity of the VRM, maybe at thermal stitching vias on the back side under the edge low-side MOSFETs, while controlling for performance i.e. consumed power that it is actually the same. It is easily measured with a K-type thermocouple or a bead thermistor.
I am currently experiencing vrm throttling (same mobo brand) HWinfo says its prochot ext (not the cpu, other components) since I chose to change my cooler to a high profile one like the one in this video. I think the downforce wind from the stock cooler also cools the vrm of this mobo. Based from what you're saying maybe if I tried this and HWinfo does not report prochot ext throttling then this video is effective.
Mate. U cannot measure the VRM Temp underneath as there's a heatsink dissipating that 90degrees and ur measuring the heatsink, which is incorrect. Flawed test
Should have measured backside of the board
@@True_Muslim_Momin yea would make more sense.
I did this to my OMEN stock mobo (OMEN Oasis Z590H 65w) and now I have no problems with running the 11900K at 4.7-4.8 GHz on all cores :)
3:04 you should make as many radiators as elements you should chill . For each element 1 radiator because total surface of all elements isn't completely same , some higher some lower that's why they use thermal pads .
So can you glue the thermal pads ? (since they are not adhesive) and then put the heatsink on top with glue too
@@gabrielst527 glue and thermal pads - no this is stupid :)
@@RAMMSTElN Lol
@@RAMMSTElN Well then thermal pads is not the solution, it's a vertical placed VRM with no presssure.
The real solution is thermal glue or thermal tape. Pads are for things with pressure (like gpu VRM that have a plate on top of them)
@@gabrielst527 right
great job 🤝
*Never paint a heatsink ever!*
but why?
@@humblehostile7946 paint doesn't transfer heat well
@@mrsarcasm4874 i mean it depends on the type of paint used, it's really only a problem when you create too many layers of paint or use a thick type of paint like plastidip
Right! The paint reduces the cooling performance of the aluminium!
@@MrGichinfunakoshi i believe from testings i saw the difference its not to high, obviously there is difference but not by much
Can you put thermal paste instead of heatsink plaster?
How much does this thermal plaster paste cost and is it safe to use on electric components is it non colonductive and can i use thermal adhesive pads instead
Nice idea 👌 😊 totally worth trying, thanks, and congratulations for being innovative
Thanks
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Dont paint or cut your heat sink just buy the right ones and dont use paste use thermal tape from 3m. Other then that this is a good idea to lower temps for 10 dollars. Dont look for gains tho this will help with throttle durring the summer and still you wont notice any gains.
Why we should not cut heatsink?
Nice idea, good work... but, your paint job is cringe worthy... far too much thermal glue was used, like a drop per vrm would work and, but thermal tape would be better, and the heatsink is touching the caps, thats a no go. but other than that, good job.
Have you open up PSU before? The temperature silicone/thermal are all over inside the PSU. It's okay to use thermal silicone because it's non conductive. As for capacitor, i don't think it will be problem.
Can you really short something with an aluminum heatsink?
Nick Bazin Heatsink shouldn’t touch any capacitors directly, can use thermal tape or silicone as contact medium
Just wondering if it would cool differently without the paint.
How about the electric conduction ? It cannot circuit or the glue has good and zero electric conduction?
Can you remove the heat sink plaster if you wanted?
Hi,
We had the same idea, I have the MSI B450 PRO M2 MAX motherboard.
I thought of a cooling system with hollow brass tubes that we would come to tighten with a part printed in 3d which would also allow to bring an air flow.
Yes u can do that but may be you need platform to properly make contact with MOSFETs
Won't the paint act as an insulator to the heat sink surface area? Or is that some kind of thermally conductive spray paint?
Yeah it will. I've seen people spray paint noctua coolers and seen higher temps
Awesome music.
entry-level 11th motherboards buyers be like...
Thanks for that idea. what do you use on the "upper/north" side? same p4 motherboard radiators?
yes its a P4 heatsink
It looks completely company fitted.
Will it damage motherboard or make any short circuit.
Any precautions to be taken
using it for more than a year. working fine.
Isnt it looks like nice?
Hi, what is the life time before heatsink fall of? From my experience only screwed parts hold good.
that glue is permanent you can never remove the heatsinks and it is also to be considered
mama kadak ek no
Awesome results!
Thank you!
@@aciemiller3443 Wtf who is talking about water cooling?
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Is a thermal pad a better choice than paste on applying this heat sink
Then when u flip the board or insert it in the case your heatsink will fall .. if u use thermalpad..
i get the idea but you could use a lot less paste, and maybe shave/sand down the edges of the heatsink a bit so they dont touch the capacitors at least... why did you paste the capacitors? Good idea, but the execution could be much better. Thanks all the same i do appreciate it.
When I measured temps on caps I saw them at around 90c so it was also required to cool them down. Since there is no conductivity involved I though why not use the same heatsink to also cool them down.
By the way the system is running very nice and cool without any problem.
ohhh i have to do this, on my gigabyte b75 d3v there is 8mosfet and the processor is 95Watt design, while i draw 70watts from the cpu, i have 80-100C on my VRM, also my cpu runs up to 90C so its time to replace the thermal paste and apply heatsink on those mosfets :D
My cpu was applied with Arctic MX4 two years ago, well the webpage telling us that, that thermal paste is good enough up to 8years, i dont think so. :D
Nice video bro
Thanks
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Can you get the actual temps from the motherboard ? Because now your reading the heatsink temp. It would be nice to know the actual VRM temp. I think MSI got some software for it, but i'm not sure, mine is gigabyte. Thanks for sharing.
My motherboard does not have VRM tempreture sensor on motherboard. It only comes with on more expensive models. So had to use IR sensor to monitor it.
@@InvertLogic Then it would be harder to do. For future reference you could (if your case allowes) measure the back side of the motherboard before and after placement of heatsinks. Have a great day!
hello, what are the measurements of this heatsink? I have the same motherboard and would like to put it on it.
I don't have measurements. it was re-used from old Intel motherboard. just use any heat sink you have spare. cut it as per available space in your motherboard. I have shown that any heatsink can work.
I have 110° on soc vrm with ryzen apu. No throttling btw
Can someone explain why is that thermal plaster with 1.2W/mK thermal conductivity better than a thermal pad or paste of 13W/Mk and non-electrically conductive?
The point is to glue the heatsink. Thermal paste isn't glue, so it won't stay.
Very cool video, but are you sure the heat sink is supposed to touch the caps? Maybe that’s not they way it should be
When I measured the caps tempreture they were equally hot. I m not sure what max temp they are rated for but thought giving them cooling will be ok. I m using for a long time now is working fine. No problem covering cap for me atleast. But yes it can be avoided if you think that's not right. Thank you
@@InvertLogic can we do overclocking this way?
Why? thermal pad good Job bro thermal paste problem motherboard or very Good ? Thermal pad different thermal tape?
How can the air cool those heatsink fins if its covered in paint? 🤔🤔🤔
it does cool. maybe little less efficient but it does the job.
hello, is the glue solution better than termopad? looks like thermopad is easier solution
It can fall and short your motherboard or GPU.
@@blogJM I've had heatsinks attached with an Akasa pad for like 8 years, never falling off; but they were pretty small heatsinks. For my new one, i am doing a screw mount because i really don't want the heatsink to fall on the GPU, I found an almost-fitting heatsink where i only had to drill and tap screw holes.
I have the same cpu and with my current vrm cooling (or lack of it) I can't go above 4ghz
You can try installing heatsink. And may be go above 4ghz if the VRM and CPU maintain tempreture.
how to remove this ..thing please reply..
rubbing alcohol ??
😢
use contacts cleaner, it,s a spray, I think it will help, everyone use this to clean thermal paste in the socket
My msi b450 pro m2 max don't have heat sink can I do this same?
yes, that's what I did.
3:06 how can i buy this heat sink?
I'm afraid those coolers won't hold well on such small areas, certainly not with just one-part silicone adhesive. That motherboard thermally dilates, so it's not even a good idea to glue it over multiple chips together.
You need to cut the heatsink into smaller pieces (one piece = one chip) and glue it with two-component glue (regular glue will do).
thats a bad ideas because the cooling surface becoming smaller, less surface area = less cooling effects, in other channel he tried using small electronics heatsink and put it just like your advice and no effects at all.
the same logic apply to CPU cooler, why CPU heatsink getting wider?
How strong is that heatsink glue sir? Can it damage the mainboard when someone accidentally scratch it off?
I think it can be removed easily. But I would suggest tape instead if you plan to remove it.
Have you open up PSU before. The temperature silicone/thermal are all over inside the PSU. It's okay to use thermal silicone.
how to mesure temp on the vrm not the heatsink....so may be you will have a15°C drop
can someone link me a decent heatsink on amazon for the MSI b450 pro m.2 max. ? i also want to them to fit perfectly without any cuttting
Easycargo 30 kleine Mini-Kühlkörper-Kit, Mini-Kühlkörper zum Kühlen von VRM Schritt-Treiber, MOSFET VRAM Regler (8,8 mm x 8,8 mm x 5 mm) www.amazon.de/dp/B07GN969QM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_NDGBSVTW48D7A1MA33EG
Your channel name should be like "InventLogic"
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@@Yosuru maybe not as twice as you 😒
What are the advantages of having less temperature in the vrm?
High VRM temps can throttle down cpu if the VRM temp exceeded the certain tempreture limit. So it better to have them under 90 c in my opinion.
Thanks
wash bottom of heat sink with alcohol before gluing don't touch before glueing
should i do this for my a320?
Yes sure
Your Mobo doesnt do OC so its fine
did it for a320m s2h with smaller heatsinks. Decreased temps 76 78 to 63 64 celcius degrees. using ryzen 3 1200 af 3.45 GHz@1.056v
@@omerxa haven't done it but I got a better cooler and my temp went from max 95 100% load to 80 should I still do this
Can I try it on my Gigabyte b450 h motherboard? It will work or not ? Can I overclock then my cpu?
Yes you can try. Use 6 core cpu on this mobo if u like to overclock. Take care don't overdue it.
so did you do it bro if so whats the results?
im using a H410 and a i9-10900 non K it pulls 270w sometimes
Is there a way to add a heat sink to the VRM on the ASUS Prime H410M-E without damaging the VRM what adhesive to use?
The paste you use could damage the VRM when you try to remove it
have you manage to solve your problem? you can try thermal pads.
did your cpu throttling and cannot maintain turbo boost for 10 minutes?
h series mobo not suitable for i9. you need z series mobo
@@fastbutsafe5461 this is what people who don’t know about pc say
Pc should consist of what you need not blind industrial standard
@@ginjopowder I use it for just gaming and see no throttling so far
Can i try it with Asrock A320M HDV R4.0 and R7 3700X?
Yes. Only don't overclock.
What is the cpu cooler name?
I have a same one but lost the box
Thats the - *Cooler master Hyper H410r*
@@InvertLogic yes, thanks
You can messure the VRM temps by using HW monitor.
ALso, care, you are not longer messuring the VRM temp itself, now youre taking heatsink temp!
Awesome idea and job dude!
Not all mother board give options to moniter them VRM temp in HW monitor. So it's not possible specially the cheap ones. I agree that there will be some degrees of difference we will have in reading if measured at heatsink. But hey it's better than having no heatsink at all. Thank you
Where in HWmonitor does it show vrm?
vo ter que fazer isso na minha b450 asus gaming Br
tem um cara vendendo no ML pronto e cortado pro tamanho dela
cool
Thank you
Can i use thermal paste instead??
not sure. I would say use thermal pads
Can I remove heatsink glue easily later?
U can, but it will not be easy
dude! seem we got same motherboard, is that a b450m max pro m2?
Its b450 pro m2 v2
@@InvertLogic hey! Thx for reply, my board has similar vrms configuration like yours and also no cooling on the vrms, but do you think it could handle a 3700x at stock speeds or is would be too dangerous?
@@npaz24 yes it can handle at stock speeds.
I got 2700x with b450 pro m2 max. Did you tried oc?
No I want it to run proper with stock settings. Overclock will need bigger aio cooler which I don't have. But you can do oc like 100 - 200 mhz on this board if u manage ur temps
@@aciemiller3443 Oh this one isn't a duplicate
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aciemiller man wtf are you doing with your life
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I'll bet the spraypaint smelled nice as it was baked on :/
ty for love lol. I came here coz i think I have to do the same for my B450. I am about to put 3900x on it and VRM's will get Very hot (apparently)
@@aciemiller3443 how to get the custom vrm cooling?
@@JasonBlack66 cant wait to kill my a320m board once i get my 3900x chip
Can this short out components since the heat sinks are aluminum?
afraid of that too,the only thing holding me back
If you look from the side angle all components are below that level so that it do not touch any components. However I will advise to check your mobo first as they are all different.
Hi, where did you get those heatsinks?
These heatsink are taken from old motherboard.
@@aciemiller3443 not Ryzen, therefore not the best.
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Great job but as probably said before you shouldnt Paint Heatsinks (reduces heat Dispersion) also thermal pads across the whole heatsink bottom then onto the VRMs would increase the transfer to the Heat Sink more effectively overall you could have maybe had a 40-45c drop.
Thank you! Yes I will keep that in mind next time
Only problems is pads dont hold the heatsing where it should be. you use pads for stuff you can fixate with something else
@@mrn234 yeah but u can put some glue on the buttom of the heatsink then put the thermal pad then glue the vrms and put the heatsink i think it will be good and holding better
@@xRumvley you cant use just "some glue" and when you use glue you can already get Thermalglue thats made for something like that. No pad needed. Its basically Thermalpaste+Glue
@@mrn234 u miss understand brother when i said glue i meant the thermalglue that he used in the video
What are safe vrm temperatures?
95°c is normal
120≈130°C is a dangerous temperature
What are the measurements of Ur heatsinks
It's around 60-65c
@@aciemiller3443 I don't care about the thermal glue he used, the way he put it on did look pretty dodgy, for what doing it'll work for me
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Can i use 3m tape ?
Yes if its thermal tape
You used your thumb to wipe the bottom off before putting the heat sink on. Need to remove and clean with alcohol and use the thermal glue on the heat sink then press down on vrm's
I don't think you actually did anything besides reduce the temperature of the heat sink, for my research the thermal pad you removed from the vrm and heat sink has around a 6.0 W/m K of heat dissipation compared to vrm cement which has only 1-2 W/m K of heat dissipation.
I'm concerned about you painting it I don't think 🤔 you should Do that
never paint a heatsink! black heatsinks that you see that come that way are anodized! painting a heatsink will trap or insulate and the material (copper or alu) will hamper it's job by like alot. this video is wrong on so many levels.
so many boards should have VRM cooling but don't
They save money in every little part.
Isn't it looks like nice?
they became hot because fan airflow not reaching there.
If you pain it you reduce the cooling performance
Yes or no. It depends if you paint surface that contacts MOSFET. Painting on side may not be that of a problem. It can hardly effect the cooling. As heat can still dissipate
@@InvertLogic I think that the paint is a barrier betwen the air and the aluminiun and reduces the cooling performance! But i can be wrong
idk why all mobo manufactures dont include this :( Im sure it wouldnt cost them that much but idk.. Gigabyte H410M VRMs are causing a bottleneck & stutters & BD PROCHET here lol
but msi has good vrm durability
I think MSI should rebate all the consumer for having to do this at home
thats the cheapest motherboard used like for ryzen 1400 1600 and he uses a r 2700x on it instead of a normal b450 or x470
Good but music loop is annoying
well the solution is never buy a high end cpu with cheap motherboard,it will degrade both the cpu and motherboard fast,especially if you are using cheap powersupply
Whish i know that earlier 😢
i have a ryzen 7 2700 with a shitty mobo : msi b450m a pro max
mehdi Moro www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/9uc6bi/am4_b450x470_vrm_tier_list/
Judging by this, your mobo is actually good
@@amogussiiuuu802
Thank you so much this info relieved me very much 😥 😊
However.. i still hate this mobo because of the two Ram slots and one fan header only. Just today i received my case it's a msi forge 100m with 3 rgb fans pre installed but no headers for it in this mobo
I still have 755 lga with 3.00 ghz cpu idk know if thats gonna work
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Can I use thermal paste to attach it to the VRM?
Yes that's what I have used 😊
@@InvertLogic Oh, thanks!
No - you want to use a thermal adhesive, not thermal paste. Sometimes it is also called thermal glue or thermal epoxy. Normal thermal paste (like arctic silver or NTH1, etc) is not strong enough and the heat sinks will fall off
And OP used a thermal glue, not traditional thermal paste.
@@InvertLogic moron
Do you really have your mobo horizontal dude? XDDD no way that past can handle the heatsinks weight
Painting heatsinks is a stupid idea even if it looks good.
otherwise nice video.
Why? Without the painting you'd loss about 1~3Cº. A VRM under 70Cº is already ice cold.
@@Herbert2892 I agree with the technical point you made.
painting the heat sinks ruins cooling performance
So everyone who is watching this video nose please do not! Paint your heat sink. There's a proper way of dying it call the Anodizing. And for the love of God why did you put so much freaking heat plaster and you do realize by putting keep plaster on the chokes and capacitors that it only insulates them and retains the Heat
Yes Anodizing is proper way but hard to do yourself, and for such small heat sink will be very expensive to do from outside professionals.
I put heat sink plaster on chokes because they were equally hot when I measured temperatures. so I have used the side of heat sink to cover the chokes.
This system is running for more than a month for 8-10 hours daily with full cpu load. I am using it for rendering and everything is fine no problem with caps or chokes. temperatures are also very good. around 68-70c at full load.
I didn't think about the mobo acting as a heat spreader heating them equally
can i do this with regular glue or super glue? xD
No you need proper heat sink plaster or tape. Otherwise heat will not properly transfer to heatsink. I gave links under video.
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Why this is the best? Just for You. I would never do the cooling like that. My solution is basically the same, but not as badly executed as it appears in this video.
One mistake is that he painted the heat sink. And that's just one mistake.
A good solution is to use old heat sinks. I did the same. But not like that.
why can't spray. Temperature difference unnoticeable
@@fastbutsafe5461 Aluminum is oxidized in the open atmospheric air. (crust). Therefore, it is not painted in the usual way. Aluminum is painted only by anodizing
NEVER SPRAY-PAINT heatsinks. It ruins the overall thermal-displacing capabilities of it.
Then why motherboard manufacture use anodized or powder coated paint on heatsink?
@@InvertLogic So us PC geeks don't have to ruin thermals with out shitty acrylic paints :'D
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