COMETEER - Is Frozen The Future Of Specialty Coffee?
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2021
- Is frozen pucks of pre-brewed coffee concentrate the future of specialty? Cometeer thinks it very well may be, so I'll be talking a look and taste at this new product in today's video.
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Seems like a solid option for high-end hotels.
Well, it is solid anyway :)
As always, I think that this is a really solid review of things Coffee. Thanks for this dude!
Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the kind words.
Cool idea. I think it would work best as a "direct from roaster" kind of deal. You walk into like, a Counter Culture, Blue Bottle, (or even starbucks??) location, have a cup of coffee, and take a box of these frozen shots home. I think this best fits the niche of chronic coffee shop visitors, the people who come in every day.
I don't see myself buying this product but could definitely see this as a good entry point for people that enjoy specialty coffee but don't want to spend the time to brew it properly.
Definitely! I see it as a gateway into specialty, and that’s a win in my book.
I realize that this is the perfect option if you want to gift someone coffee but they have zero idea on how to prepare it or have the proper equipment.
Your point towards the end makes the most sense to me, throw one in my work bag and be able to make a tasty cup of coffee midway through the work day once my morning fresh cup has ran out. It's gonna be a lot better than the instant coffee my work supplies, and I don't really want to take the time every day to pack fresh ground coffee and bring my aeropress every day for a fresh coffee.
Great review. I’m not the target market, but this has a clear place with some clear advantages. I hope they succeed!
Thanks Jon, and I’m with you. I’m definitely not the target, but I have been enjoying it on those days where I’m in a rush. Definitely hope they find a way to make it work, I respect the quality coffee for sure.
Just received my first box today and have prepared only 2 "pucks" so far. I really liked those 2 cups and while I wouldn't call myself a coffee snob, my daily driver is a pour over using the Kalita Wave. So I do know a little something about specialty coffee. While the preparation is indeed "instant", the coffee itself is nothing like instant coffee. It is the real deal and I really enjoyed it. I am excited about the remaining 30 pucks. All that said, I am not thrilled about $2/cup since I am able to source very freshly roasted high quality beans from a local roaster and I have a very decent grinder. Incidentally, I was also gifted a Nespresso earlier this year but this infinitely better than that. I drink about 2 cups a day, so I will probably keep a stash in my freezer for occasional use but stick to my pour over. Just to be clear, this is NOTHING like instant coffee, so all those in this forum who are dismissive of it right of the bat because of the way it is prepared should give it a go at least once before trashing it.
Another possible advantage to this idea is that you could potentially preserve seasonal coffees or special micro lots throughout the year... I love the possibilities here!
You can just freeze the beans
Excited to see this drop. I think this is a really nice way for people who want better coffee, but don’t want to go through the process of making it. Definitely has an audience and maybe a viable way for people to breakthrough and try specialty coffee. Out of my own sheer curiosity, I’d love to try it out!
I’m with you! It skips the difficult (but fun for some) part of the brewing process. Definitely would be great for those on the go, or don’t want to deal with dialing in.
I have a friend who recently started working for Cometeer and I was fortunate enough to be able to try some. It is quite amazing how good it is for an instant product, that will keep for 18 months in the freezer. I likely won’t be purchasing it for myself as I love the practice of grinding and brewing, but there are plenty of people who want great coffee and don’t want to spend the time or money on equipment to get it. It’s also a great way to always have good coffee handy without having to worry about it going stale, or be able to serve really good coffee to guests if you don’t drink it often enough yourself to invest in a coffee maker/grinder/whatever. At the end of the day they are making ethically sourced specialty coffee available to more people, which is awesome!
Seems like they are doing a lot of things right! Definitely interested in trying these. Especially in comparison to a pour over.
Great info as always. For me I want that ritual type routine but yeah this comteer has a niche market too 👍👍
First time watching your videos and think your review is excellent and extremely informative! Definitely gained a new fan.
Hey! Thanks for stopping by and the kind words! Hope to see you around in the future.
I appreciate your honest review, sir. Thank you.
It would be a great idea for them to do a big multi-pack of multiple roasters and beans. Rather than going out and buying many bags of craft coffee, you could buy a multi-pack to see what you like. Once you find the one you like, you could buy in bulk or switch to the fresh bean direct from the roaster. It would save a lot of trial, error, and expense with buying new, untasted beans!
I had the same thought. I second this idea!
For sure! I think they are still working on the program, I inquired about a mix and match box. But it’s a great idea to get people on board.
That would be really nice. And then if I really liked a specific coffee, I might even commit to buying whole beans from the roasters themselves
I loved the exploration it’s very clear 🥰🥰🥰
So, these were perfect. I found myself in a new relationship, mostly living out of her house. Not quite enough to start combining our kitchens, but far enough in that I'd like to have my creature comforts in the morning. Instead of bringing over my $500 worth of brewing equipment, or buying a copy for her place, I invested in these capsules. They're a nice way to have craft coffee away from home, and to introduce someone new to the world of coffee. Basically, they're a great stopgap between rigs.
me, insomniac, browsing youtube at 2AM then found this, perfect timing, lets have some caffeine to cure insomnia 🙃
It works! Haha
A recent study in Basel (Switzerland) showed that two groups of people (one taking caffein pills and the other taking placebos) were sleeping exactly as good.
@@silvioniklaus701 but the ones taking the caffeine pills lost grey matter in their brain, haha. It’s a give and take.
Man this fits me perfectly since my whole setup and beans for espresso and I don’t want to change the grind everytime i make pourover and i hate using my hand grinder so it fits perfectly
It seems to be a really good option to have in the freezer just in case you are in the rush because you slightly overslept or something.
It has to be better than getting a drive thru cup of something at a big chain. I would probably much prefer this to that if pressed for time.
I have a pack of these, and enjoy them! I am a regular user of a Lelit and a Kalita, but Cometeer is good for days when I'm in a massive rush (or a funk).
Interested in how it compares to hot coffee brew over ice. Seems like the flash freeze part would make this an ideal COLD COFFEE drink for the summer? That could be the main selling point to me, not to make a cup of hot coffee. But a cold one.
This seems like it could be super useful for trips away/traveling, provided they could handle the logistics of being moved around. If it were possible to do that without too much stress, I would 100% keep a box.
This sounds like a great solution for the office!
Shame I haven't been to the office in a year...
This might be great for tasting. You can keep a variety in your fridge and there no dailing in. It's like opening a bottle of wine. When you open the bottle it's as the wine maker intended. I think there is a market for this as the roaster intended out the capsule coffee.
Great Video! Not a fan of anything instant but this was new! very interesting :)
A quick question: have you tried with different waters as well?
I ordered this (dark roast variety) for the first time last week and I immediately loved it. And I used to work for Nespresso! Def like this much more
perfect for backpacking
Definitely if it’s only a day trip. I brewed it up in my travel mug and it was hot and tasty 7 hours later too. So that was nice.
Ive tried it and if you cand get your hands on it it is delicious!
It’s definitely tasty, and it may be easier to get now.
My hypothesis re mouth feel is that super freezing will cause separation of oil and water solutes that get removed in the processing? Not sure if that explains the lack of perceived acidity since I’m not clear what molecule(s) are contributing to that taste. 100% hypothesis but there’s gotta be some interesting chemistry happening with that rapid temp change. Cool video and hope to try this out someday. Also hope that packaging is recyclable, last thing we need is more waste from coffee.
Seems like an interesting product worth giving a try but the lack of acidity seems to spoil the fun. Did you a take a TDS measurement of the concentrate without water added?
would love to try these, but living in Australia makes it next to impossible. Wishing the company best of luck
Such an interesting product
It is, definitely better than your average concentrate and instant. I’m actually really still sipping in these from time to time.
You gotta' try this!!! It is the freshest, most flavorful coffee you will ever find outside of a coffee house -- as convenient as can be! Price is right on.
These would be great to bring to work where the gross k-cup is the only alternative (and breaking out the hand grinder and pour over set might be frowned upon(
Absolutely, and these actually work in a k-cup machines. I should’ve mentioned that!
Have you tried the instant coffee from Coava?
One of the first ? I tried them about two years ago at the sca expo .. they had a booth
"or you work in an office with specialty coffee deniers" I bet a lot of people deal with that lol! what I would recomend is brewing before work into a mug like the fellow carter., also, have you experimented with "nobloom" like they do it at Tales coffee?
Very interesting. I suspect that a fairly significant proportion of people who are buying higher-priced specialty coffee beans and brewing at home, actually are not making particularly high quality coffee because they haven't put together all the details that all need to be in the right ballpark for a truly high quality final product (grinding, water quality, brew method, filters, ratio, etc.). I suspect many people don't realize how much they could improve what they are doing at home because what they are doing is still better compared to what they had been doing previously with lesser quality coffee and using a terrible grinder (e.g. blade grinder). So, in other words, the quality that many people are achieving at home is probably far short of of what it could be. But, these folks are coffee lovers. So, when they try something like this Cometeer concentrate, it may well taste better than what they are doing at home. And it's probably much more consistent than what they are doing at home. At least, I suspect this may be true for many people.
I think this leads the question of, why not use a batch brewer? I won't lie I use the batch brew alot for saving time and also when feeling lazy and don't wanna make my pour over. This seems like it is trying to fill a niche that doesn't exist? And yet I still wanna try it. - thanks for reading my ted talks folks
Couldn’t see myself using these everyday. but I guess that’s not what they’re made for. would be way too pricey.
Spro I would be very interested to see how you brew Kalita. Any chance we see that in the future?
Just looking at the capsule, wonder if you could put it through a K-cups machine?
You can indeed. I don’t have one, but they work.
Yup! You need to run it under the faucet for about 20 seconds until the puck shakes loose from the sides. Otherwise, the machine will detect an overflow almost instantly and stop adding water.
Interesting. I've never had a cup of coffee from a K cup machine that I actually enjoyed. This might be what it would take.
What grind size did you use for the pucks?
A 22 on the Niche. 😉
Is it safe for step 2 diabetics to drink it ?,
it doesn't have any other ingredients in it ?,
butt coffee?, if it's just pure coffee and nothing added sounds like an awesome product that I want to try as a diabetic.
Were the grounds pretty noticeable in the Cometeer cup?
no grounds.
There were grounds in the bottom of a couple of them, but the majority had no grounds.
Is there no problem with delivery? Seems expensive at least.
Interesting observation on the low acidity and mouthfeel. Do you think they are cold brewing it and then flash freezing?
I wondered that. I don’t know if it’s a hot or cold brew, but if it’s cold. The loss of acidity makes a lot of sense, but usually texture still comes across in cold brew. That’s a good question. Maybe they are lurking the comments and will respond to that.
Price is pretty crazy. I buy really good beans from a specialty coffee place and it comes out to about $1.26 per cup including tax (Canadian). If I were to buy this, at $64 US for 32 cups, in Canadian that would be about $82 not including duty/tax, so call it about $90 for 32 cups of coffee would be $2.81 per cup. I don't think convenience of not having to brew coffee (which isn't that hard) should cost an extra $1.55 per cup, but thats just me. I guess you could argue you don't need a coffee machine so you save there (although brew over is a cheap option or french press), but then i'd say a large coffee at McDonalds is $1.99, maybe not quite as good but if you do it every day you're saving $300 a year buying McDonalds coffee everyday vs Cometeer. To each their own I guess.
Sounds like it's Cold Brewing method. *Lack of acidity*
Looking at their website it's about $64 dollars for a Light Box which comes with 32 cups. The wife and I drink only 1 cup of coffee in the morning. Thats about 60 cups a month give or take. So that would make our coffee drinking go from $37.75 for 3 bags of whole bean coffee from BRCC to over $120 a month. NO THANK YOU. 😉
That’s because Black Rifle is using lower grade, likely commodity coffees, unlike the specialty grade used in Cometeer.
@@Sprometheus lol! Then you know nothing about BRCC. They use very good quality coffee.
How much plastic and or aluminium do they use? A lot of people criticize and avoid the capsule machines because of plastic and or aluminum waste.
No plastic and fully recyclable.
@@sjdpornot2227 good
do a review of Red Bay Coffee
I think I’ve heard of it, is there something special about it? I don’t really review whole bean coffee often unless it’s some kind of unique or odd product. It’s a bit of a conflict of interest since I own and operate my own roaster.
@@Sprometheus ok. I wasn't really sure how you picked your topics.
Can you put it in a portafilter?
Man this look interesting, as someone who's demand for coffee is "strong and half sweet" this might be for me.
I’m game. It sounds fun and saves me 2 hours of driving into town.
Wonder how they compare, price-wise?
Compare to what specifically?
@@Sprometheus I'm guessing a shot of espresso is what she means...
Strange, but all Cometeer pods taste too acidic to me (bought late October 2021). Did they change the recipe?
Weekend camping for sure! You could leave the gadgets at home.
interesting
Indeed!
woulda been cool to see how It boads with steamed milk
Looks like candy. Wanna take a bite. Wondering if the make one with sugar in it.
This technology is not new. In 1984 at thr Louisiana World Exposition I was working at Réunion Hall. An 800 sear buff-a-teria. One day the boss beings in a new machine and some boxes. He tells us it's a new way to make coffee. The unit fad a refrigerated compartments fot frozen concentrated coffee cartridges. Ttere was a heating element and water connection that delivered a very tasty cup of coffee. I don't remember the name of the company but the brew was unforgettable.
I thought it was tasty, but the routine of brewing is just as much a part of my morning coffee as the coffee itself. I think it’s a great product but it isn’t something I see myself ordering again
cool concept but watching it brew is so unpleasant
My freezer is already full of coffee beans. No space to spare for these lol. But I might give them a try in the future.
They are definitely worth trying. Or finding a few friends to split the cost with and keeping a box each.
Would be great for busy people.
If adding 6 oz of water made it heavy, what's the difference between that heaviness and what you get from a moka pot? Or espresso? Why are some heavy brews pleasant but this makes you want to dilute it more? I think that's worth looking into because clearly we don't shy away from concentrated stuff here.
I would say because the ratio it’s brewed at, namely for concentrates, is so high that it requires so much more dilution to make it palatable. I actually put one in my mouth out of curiosity, it was insanely intense and had to spit it out.
@@Sprometheus thanks for clarifying! It's impressive that they can get something so much more concentrated than anything else we're used to, I wonder what all those secrets they're not sharing might be able to accomplish
Interesting! Have you tried any of these with milk? If so, how does it taste, especially with a lack of acidity?
What about a mild coffee for .5$
What is the approximate cost per serving? If it's about same as a starbucks i ain't buying it
$2
Packaging, packaging, more packaging.
It's a tad disorienting hearing that intro music and not seeing a coffee grinder on a blue background :P
Not sure if I follow this one, haha.
@@Sprometheus You may have inadvertently used the same piece of music that James Hoffmann used for his Ultimate Grinder Showdown Week series, albeit a different part of the same work.
@@markmaterum oooh, weird. He’s an Artlist user too I guess. Probably won’t be the last time. Haha
Is cometere becoming the Manscaped of coffee videos?
Are you able to recycle the pod?
yes
Thanks for this review. In the age of COVID where we are getting a lot of stuff delivered and don't have a coffee grinder or maker, I think it will be perfect for us.
Will update once we try it. Just got a mixed box in the mail today.
I love this - back in college I used to grind my own beans and do pour overs or aeropress. The past few years though, I've had way less capacity to care. Been using Keurig pods for a while now. This is a great in between idea where I still have the convenience of a kcup but much better flavor. I'll try it out!
Where's the notification squad?
I totally messed this one up! I forgot to align the post on my blog and this one together, so the notification was a few minutes late. Haha
I think the point of speciality coffee is achieving those aromas and flavors. Frozen coffee; I dont know...
agree
I’m glad, haha.
Would you get around to capsules like Voila and others? And new capsule machine "The Morning Machine" (a profiling Nespresso).
20 dollars for 10 shots? thats alot! much more expensive than regular cup of coffee.
"or minus 196 in celsius to the rest of the world"
It's like just use Celsius. Everyone else is.
@@jordanjayd i know rightt 😂
Instant coffee. Just add water. Frozen coffee. Just add water. Real fresh ground coffee... guess what, just add water. Why is there a relentless search for how to make something more complicated?
It’s an interesting idea, and it’s impressive that they have essentially accomplished the goal of high quality “instant”. But I’m trying to imagine the subset of people that are really interested in specialty coffee, but are willing to pay approx. twice the price and take up way more storage/freezer space to save 5 minutes brewing it. It’s cheaper than a pour over from a cafe, but not really much cheaper (if any) than drip from a cafe. I guess time will tell how much of a demand there is for it.
After another moment thinking, I guess I could see it as an option where people may have access to a fridge/freezer but not coffee brewing gear. Like at work.
$2 per capsule is way too much IMO. Coffee just isn't that hard to make.
Definitely do not like the packaging. "Fully recyclable" literally means nothing, is not environmentally friendly at all. This is literally just a bougie K-cup to me.
I had similar concerns - according to their site the packaging is made of aluminum, which is much more easily and efficiently recycled than the plastic k-cups.
Yeah, like Keegan’s comment, the cup is aluminum and recyclable, which is definitely a far and away better than plastic.
I agree. My work is in mining/ minerals and there’s a truism that aluminium is just solid energy. The making of aluminium is so power intensive they ship bauxite (the raw material) from australia to Iceland to take advantage of cheap hydrothermal energy. They ship it using HFO (oil). There’s no clean aluminium. It’s a super high energy intensive product and most isn’t made using renewable energy. Most is made using coal or at best LNG.
Sure it’s recyclable but the process to get them there is very energy intensive. Buying coffee beans in kilo bags seems a lot better.
The moment you realise this isn’t Chris Baca.
If this is anything like instant coffee I will not be buying. I can’t stand the taste of instant coffee.
Frozen, instant coffee....in a word, NO
I think it has its place. We in specialty want to turn our noses up at things like this, but if it brings a larger audience to specialty roasters who are focused on quality and sustainability I don’t see it as a bad thing at all.
I don't get it, I mean they freezed it and when they deliver to you... Arrives at the same temperature... It's ice cream... Freeze beans is one thing... This is nonsense... Try to reach Atomo coffee they really are the future 😉
I don’t think it’s nonsense really. It arrived frozen on dry ice, and really for a concentrate it’s pretty solid.z
@@Sprometheus well I guess it may be, put really put all that energy, to deliver a freezed coffee, i mean using that energy in a more sustainable way?Freezing beans for let's say 6 months has a sense, but drinking a, don't know even how to name it... Reminds of those plastic packaging around bananas for '' protecting '' them, or buying don't know grapes already cleaned and separated 🙄
Not a fan of the "recyclable" pods. Given that specialty coffee generally supports environmental responsibility, they should have gone with a compostable solution instead of plastic. We all know that those pods (and a lot of other "recyclable" stuff makes it way into the ocean and landfills).
$2 a capsule for refrigerated instant coffee? No thanks.
I really don't want to sound mean, but that idea isn't going to take off
No need for the names to be read aloud at the end.
They pay for that as part of the roaster tier. No need to watch it if you don’t want to.