Leech all I can say is your the greatest. By the time I get to where I need your help this information will be off the chart. Love your passion for tuning!
thanks for this info I am new to the whole injector thing and terminators. I have a Borla 8 stack and am using Five O motorsports 850cc/83lb, EV14 Standard - U.S. CAR and European CAR, Fuel Injectors Part Number: 055U850. I do have a data sheet with them. Just a bit slow on the learning curve with all of this. And to add to the mix i have an NX dry shot from 100 to 500hp. So let the fun begin..
Oooooohhhh. It is absolutely imperative you email pictures of said falcon to me at matt@leechmotorsports.com so I have some more drool material and an excuse to help you tune it when the time comes.
Great video ! I have a set of the ford green top 42 injectors. Still in the box never used. I can’t find any info on these injectors to do custom settings. Do you have any info on these?
Hey mate, just watch your vid. Great info! I’m a bit stuck with my current injectors. I currently have Bosch 1150cc EV14. I can’t seem to find the IOT for them.
Great video.. Thank you for the detail and knowledge. I have given up on my Aces EFI Wild Card installation and have moved to Holley Terminator X. I would like to use the Aces AE1001 36 lb/hr injectors that came with it. Would you have any specs on those injectors?
Hi your video was extremely helpful and I do have a question hopefully you can help I’m running Fast 85lb injectors on an LS3 and I’m using the terminator X max, did I screw up by choosing these? I don’t want to go through all the trouble of doing this if it’s not worth it. Thanks hopefully you can help
I made the mistake of using a FiTech intake kit (70072). It's been a pain getting it to work with the Terminator X. I got a sheet from FiTech for the 55lb injectors but their data is way off from what the Terminator settings want.
I have foxbody sith the terminator x and 19 stock injectors .. it dumped fuel and flooded all cylinders i dont know if i have a stuck injector or bad tune ?
Matt, I just bought ( today ) my Term X. Can you recomend me EV1 style bosh or any other common injector for for 416 cid stroker LS3. Cam is from Comp cams and ordered 600 hp at the crank N/A. Thanks!
I have injectors I can't seem to get data on other than the rated flow, I'm consider running different ones because of this. The factory GM Bosch (I think) for the 1996 LT1 G body or F body injectors. I have both sets and I hear they're rated slightly differently. Can you help or am I better off getting some with known data
On my laptop the Holley is asking for almost all partial voltage values only a couple whole numbers, 8v, 12v, 16v, and 20v. I plugged in the ford racing injector data for 8v and 12v and 15v+ and just filled the values in between. Will this be accurate enough or do I need to do some math?
I have a fi Tech intake. terminator x ECu 55lb/hr And I have to download these things. And I'm lost. My VCR still blinks 12 any Any suggestions for help would be appreciated and thanks
Here’s how I would answer that question. Look at your data logs to see what your injector pulse width is at idle. For the sake of argument let’s say 2ms. If your off time is wrong by .1ms, your fuel will be about 5% off. But in general, fuel correction should still be able to more or less compensate. Car just may experience slightly less stable idle and possibly have some low load cruise discrepancies as well.
Thank you for ALL the info you have put out. I am very new to mpfi terminator x, and your videos have helped me a lot. I bought HPI-96lb-lx3 injectors. I was told that those were some of the better injectors. There was no off time on the sheet so I contacted them and I was told to use the ratings for SEP 1000cc or 850 cc. injectors. Is the data for these comparable to the HPI injectors? Any help on setting up the injector data will be greatly appreciated. Thank You Steve
We haven’t worked with those injectors. But that advice doesn’t seem sounds. The SEP 1000 and 850 are not going to have the same off times. So then telling you to use the off times of either seems fishy.
I’m having issues finding the specs on the Bosch style 3 jetronic 30lb injectors that are a brownish/mustard color my customer bought them off of LMR and well I can’t find any specs on then they are also re manufactured. Need to either find the specs or tell customer to sell his 30lb and go with something on the list that Holley supports. Thanks in advance!
Hey Matt, I'm putting together a naturally aspirated 306 for my fox body and am going to install the terminator X so I really appreciate all of your videos. I'm looking at around 350hp and was wondering if you had a recommendation on injectors to use? Thanks!
30 lb should get you there without much problem. You could use some of the old school Ford red tops. Lightning 42 lb or Ford LU47 are a few other options that are easy to find. Bigger than what you need, but should work just fine.
None that I see. My favorite street car injector. They hold up to high base fuel pressures when needed. And I’ve run them on a no-bullshit bone stock (oil pan to maf) 89 mustang, resulting in near perfect fuel trims using ford’s published injector data on an otherwise stock tune. No drivability issues whatsoever.
Hey Leech! Your videos have been a godsend, please keep them coming. I do have a set of weird 75# Lucas injectors that came with my 95 sn95. Procharged 347. Here's the item number: 01D129B. If you have any spec information on those i'd be eternally grateful. I haven't been able to find a thing about them since I pulled them out of the car and really don't want to have to spend another 600$ on some new ones just because they don't have spec data.
Use the ford racing lu60 data. I have never seen data sheets for deka branded injectors. But it is my understanding the deka 60 and 80 are the same as ford racing’s, and ford does give us data to work with. Used that data with tons of cars on dekas and never had an issue with that.
I have terminator x v1 and v2 software installed. They are technically two different pieces of software. So I just opened each and put them side by side.
Do you have a offering to assist in a remote injector setup i have a New LS3 using the Fitech loaded intake 750 kit with 55PPH injectors fitech is lacking some of the needed data Holley said to contact you for help willing to pay for a Remote session to assist. Motor is a New LS3+BT stage 2 cam + Fitech 750kit with 102 TB
Hi I bought some afis injectors on a whim and the guy said the are 50 lb injectors I don’t have any other data I have them already installed on my 5.3 do I need to go buy a lab top or can I just put it in learn mode
@@LeechMotorsports how do I get the data I’m on a budget I don’t want to drop another 400 on injectors I bought these injectors from AFIS from market place I can’t get a hold of the company now but I see they sell that brand on summit not the same injector do I need to pull my injectors and send them out to get data
I’ve contacted afis on Facebook to see if they can provide the data. Their website is not currently online, so not sure what the deal is. This is honestly the first time I’ve even heard of the company. Summit has pretty good support. Try calling them to see if they have the data or can reach out to the manufacturer to get it.
@@LeechMotorsports I contacted summit and finally got a working phone number for them i called and now I am waiting for the guy to get back into the office
I’m having a hard time finding data for my Ford injectors as well. part number is 280158279. They have been decapped and all flow 80-81lb/hr now. Any help would be great thank you
Hey man do you possibly know the min injector opening time for pro m 42lb ev1 style injectors that’s the only thing they don’t list on there website or is there a way to figure it out with other numbers or something? Thank you
I do not have that data. I suspect they would provide the info on request though. Unless you are running those on a very low power car (like a bone stock 5.0), I wouldn’t stress out about it. See what the pulsewidth looks like at idle in your data logs. If it is over the default of 1.0ms, then you should be fine.
@@LeechMotorsports yeah I emailed them but haven’t heard back. But thank you so much. I’m pretty new to this stuff so thank you for the help I really appreciate it!
I bought the following injectors from LMR, but no specs. Do you have any specs on these by chance? 1986-04 MUSTANG BOSCH TYPE III FUEL INJECTORS - EV1 - JETRONIC - 30LB
@@LeechMotorsports I emailed LMR and they got back to me asking me what data I need, I'll let them know and see what happens. I got the numbers off the injectors, 0280155831, and started searching on my own, one site I found said they're Bosch 62672. It appears they were initially sold for Volvos and I've found some data when I search 0-280-155-831 but it's not the min injector on time and/or off times. They do have some basic flow data at two different pressures and a couple BSFC at different duty cycles but now what I'm looking for. I'm very novice at this since I only started with the software last week, but I did get my car to run much better this past week so now I'm excited to learn. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
@@Like2drill4oil Ideally, you could obtain a pressure rating, high slope, low slope. breakpoint, minimum pulsewidth, and injector offset vs. battery voltage function. That would pretty much complete Ford's Injector characterization specs.
I’ve always used the info listed on efidynotuning.com for those injectors, then modified from there. But I’ve not had a car run those at higher than standard 39 psi. If you really need bigger injectors than that, you’re starting to move into a different type of setup altogether. And stretching a smallish set at that point for more fuel isn’t really the kinda thing I’d recommend. Lol.
@@LeechMotorsports yeah I pick those injectors because of the guy that runs EFI dyno tuning recommended to buy those injectors and to be totally honest I kind of wish I went with something a little bit smaller because I'm only running a 302 Turbo With 93 pump gas and your typical gt40p heads Cobra intake upgraded valve springs and 1.7 rockers I probably could have went with 42 Pounders or 47 like what you showed in you're one video. Yeah at the time I didn't really know much now that I have spent a lot of money on trying to learn the whole tuning world for the past 3 years. I mean don't get me wrong they work I just think if I were to put 42 LB or 47 pound injectors it would be a lot more smoother idling and cruising
If you’re for sure not going to turn it up more, the 47s would probably have worked or definitely some 60s. But the 80s should still work ok with some tuning.
@@LeechMotorsports I just want back on EFI dyno tuning and looked under the injector info for 80lb black with blue tip and that info don't make any sense nothing like the info you were showing for the 47lb. Trying to see if there's a difference between Holly's 80lb injector info
Hey buddy, Love the video but am struggling with getting the right info on my injectors, any chance you could lead me to the right path for 1000cc xspurt injectors? Thanks a bunch
Choose your intended base fuel pressure on the left of the chart, and it will give you the flow and off time numbers. You’ll want to make sure your actual system pressure and rated pressure both reflect your chosen psi. As for the off times, the sheet only lists every 2 volts, and the Holley has a point every 0.8 volts, so you’ll have to do the math to the find the values between the provided voltage points. But you at least have a clean 8, 12, and 16 v starting point.
Leech all I can say is your the greatest. By the time I get to where I need your help this information will be off the chart. Love your passion for tuning!
Hell yeah another one Matt please keep them coming definitely hitting that like button
Appreciate ya. More on the way for this holiday week.
This was super intresting video. Thank you for the help!
Awesome video!!! I was getting hung up on this, and this was incredibly helpful!
Awesome Video! Was able to input my 42lb green top injectors this way! 🍻
Thank you so much for this. I have the spec sheet for the old green top 42lb FR injectors and i'm installing a term X at this time. Much Appreciated
thanks for this info I am new to the whole injector thing and terminators. I have a Borla 8 stack and am using Five O motorsports 850cc/83lb, EV14 Standard - U.S. CAR and European CAR, Fuel Injectors
Part Number: 055U850. I do have a data sheet with them. Just a bit slow on the learning curve with all of this. And to add to the mix i have an NX dry shot from 100 to 500hp. So let the fun begin..
Working in Africa at the moment, looks like I have some good vids to catch up on 👍
Plan on doing the Terminator X on my Falcon using a Fox kit 👍👍
Oooooohhhh. It is absolutely imperative you email pictures of said falcon to me at matt@leechmotorsports.com so I have some more drool material and an excuse to help you tune it when the time comes.
Great video ! I have a set of the ford green top 42 injectors. Still in the box never used. I can’t find any info on these injectors to do custom settings. Do you have any info on these?
Hey mate, just watch your vid. Great info!
I’m a bit stuck with my current injectors. I currently have Bosch 1150cc EV14. I can’t seem to find the IOT for them.
I don’t have that data either, unfortunately.
Great video.. Thank you for the detail and knowledge. I have given up on my Aces EFI Wild Card installation and have moved to Holley Terminator X. I would like to use the Aces AE1001 36 lb/hr injectors that came with it. Would you have any specs on those injectors?
Hi your video was extremely helpful and I do have a question hopefully you can help I’m running Fast 85lb injectors on an LS3 and I’m using the terminator X max, did I screw up by choosing these? I don’t want to go through all the trouble of doing this if it’s not worth it. Thanks hopefully you can help
I have the DW 1000cc I can't find the off time.They have all the fuel settings I just don't see the off time any idea?
Great stuff. Lucas 42.5 lb/ delphi brand is what I'm struggling to find any info for
i have search and search for them and i am just going to buy some Holley Injectors
I looked as well and couldn’t come up with anything.
Thanks for checking. Keep up the awesome work with the holley videos
I also have 75lb lucas injs and can't find anything either. Time for us to buy new ones I suppose.
I made the mistake of using a FiTech intake kit (70072). It's been a pain getting it to work with the Terminator X. I got a sheet from FiTech for the 55lb injectors but their data is way off from what the Terminator settings want.
I have foxbody sith the terminator x and 19 stock injectors .. it dumped fuel and flooded all cylinders i dont know if i have a stuck injector or bad tune ?
Matt, I just bought ( today ) my Term X. Can you recomend me EV1 style bosh or any other common injector for for 416 cid stroker LS3. Cam is from Comp cams and ordered 600 hp at the crank N/A. Thanks!
Do you have anything on the Accel 21lb injectors pn:150121? I bought them from Holley, but can't find the data.
Great video! I'm confused on injector data. I have ID1050x and it looks like the data points are 3 decimal points off?
Help, leach I have a 38 pound lucus injector (D1163BA) and I can't find any spec info for these. Can you help?
I have injectors I can't seem to get data on other than the rated flow, I'm consider running different ones because of this. The factory GM Bosch (I think) for the 1996 LT1 G body or F body injectors. I have both sets and I hear they're rated slightly differently. Can you help or am I better off getting some with known data
On my laptop the Holley is asking for almost all partial voltage values only a couple whole numbers, 8v, 12v, 16v, and 20v. I plugged in the ford racing injector data for 8v and 12v and 15v+ and just filled the values in between. Will this be accurate enough or do I need to do some math?
Fitech 55lb injectors 58psi? Need data?
I have a fi Tech intake. terminator x ECu 55lb/hr And I have to download these things. And I'm lost. My VCR still blinks 12 any Any suggestions for help would be appreciated and thanks
if your injector off time numbers are off by a few digits will it cause a rich idle ?
Here’s how I would answer that question. Look at your data logs to see what your injector pulse width is at idle. For the sake of argument let’s say 2ms. If your off time is wrong by .1ms, your fuel will be about 5% off. But in general, fuel correction should still be able to more or less compensate. Car just may experience slightly less stable idle and possibly have some low load cruise discrepancies as well.
Thank you for ALL the info you have put out. I am very new to mpfi terminator x, and your videos have helped me a lot. I bought HPI-96lb-lx3 injectors. I was told that those were some of the better injectors. There was no off time on the sheet so I contacted them and I was told to use the ratings for SEP 1000cc or 850 cc. injectors. Is the data for these comparable to the HPI injectors? Any help on setting up the injector data will be greatly appreciated. Thank You
Steve
We haven’t worked with those injectors. But that advice doesn’t seem sounds. The SEP 1000 and 850 are not going to have the same off times. So then telling you to use the off times of either seems fishy.
I’m having issues finding the specs on the Bosch style 3 jetronic 30lb injectors that are a brownish/mustard color my customer bought them off of LMR and well I can’t find any specs on then they are also re manufactured. Need to either find the specs or tell customer to sell his 30lb and go with something on the list that Holley supports. Thanks in advance!
They don’t publish data for those. I wish LMR would stop selling them
Hey Matt, I'm putting together a naturally aspirated 306 for my fox body and am going to install the terminator X so I really appreciate all of your videos. I'm looking at around 350hp and was wondering if you had a recommendation on injectors to use? Thanks!
30 lb should get you there without much problem. You could use some of the old school Ford red tops. Lightning 42 lb or Ford LU47 are a few other options that are easy to find. Bigger than what you need, but should work just fine.
@@LeechMotorsports thanks, is there any drawback to the LU47's? They seem to be the cheapest reputable injector 30lb+
None that I see. My favorite street car injector. They hold up to high base fuel pressures when needed. And I’ve run them on a no-bullshit bone stock (oil pan to maf) 89 mustang, resulting in near perfect fuel trims using ford’s published injector data on an otherwise stock tune. No drivability issues whatsoever.
Hey Leech! Your videos have been a godsend, please keep them coming. I do have a set of weird 75# Lucas injectors that came with my 95 sn95. Procharged 347. Here's the item number: 01D129B. If you have any spec information on those i'd be eternally grateful. I haven't been able to find a thing about them since I pulled them out of the car and really don't want to have to spend another 600$ on some new ones just because they don't have spec data.
Matt, do you have a data sheet on the Siemens Deka 60 lb/hr injector?
Use the ford racing lu60 data. I have never seen data sheets for deka branded injectors. But it is my understanding the deka 60 and 80 are the same as ford racing’s, and ford does give us data to work with. Used that data with tons of cars on dekas and never had an issue with that.
Are the injectors in the v2 you’re showcasing ford 47lbs?
Yes. They are the ford racing LU47
just curious but how did you manage to run the 2 different software versions at once
I have terminator x v1 and v2 software installed. They are technically two different pieces of software. So I just opened each and put them side by side.
Anyone got the data for the green giants 42lb bosch?
Do you have a offering to assist in a remote injector setup i have a New LS3 using the Fitech loaded intake 750 kit with 55PPH injectors fitech is lacking some of the needed data Holley said to contact you for help willing to pay for a Remote session to assist. Motor is a New LS3+BT stage 2 cam + Fitech 750kit with 102 TB
We don’t work with LS combos at this time. We would recommend contacting Trevor Couture or Joe Simpson.
Hi I bought some afis injectors on a whim and the guy said the are 50 lb injectors I don’t have any other data I have them already installed on my 5.3 do I need to go buy a lab top or can I just put it in learn mode
I wouldn’t recommend running injectors with unknown data. The off times are very important for idle stability.
@@LeechMotorsports how do I get the data I’m on a budget I don’t want to drop another 400 on injectors I bought these injectors from AFIS from market place I can’t get a hold of the company now but I see they sell that brand on summit not the same injector do I need to pull my injectors and send them out to get data
I’ve contacted afis on Facebook to see if they can provide the data. Their website is not currently online, so not sure what the deal is. This is honestly the first time I’ve even heard of the company. Summit has pretty good support. Try calling them to see if they have the data or can reach out to the manufacturer to get it.
@@LeechMotorsports I contacted summit and finally got a working phone number for them i called and now I am waiting for the guy to get back into the office
Awesome. Please let us know what you find out.
I’m having a hard time finding data for my Ford injectors as well. part number is 280158279. They have been decapped and all flow 80-81lb/hr now. Any help would be great thank you
Made by Bosch
Hey man do you possibly know the min injector opening time for pro m 42lb ev1 style injectors that’s the only thing they don’t list on there website or is there a way to figure it out with other numbers or something? Thank you
I do not have that data. I suspect they would provide the info on request though. Unless you are running those on a very low power car (like a bone stock 5.0), I wouldn’t stress out about it. See what the pulsewidth looks like at idle in your data logs. If it is over the default of 1.0ms, then you should be fine.
@@LeechMotorsports yeah I emailed them but haven’t heard back. But thank you so much. I’m pretty new to this stuff so thank you for the help I really appreciate it!
I bought the following injectors from LMR, but no specs. Do you have any specs on these by chance? 1986-04 MUSTANG BOSCH TYPE III FUEL INJECTORS - EV1 - JETRONIC - 30LB
I’ll have to dig into my archives to check. But I don’t think I have complete data for them. Seems LMR is selling these regularly though.
@@LeechMotorsports I emailed LMR and they got back to me asking me what data I need, I'll let them know and see what happens. I got the numbers off the injectors, 0280155831, and started searching on my own, one site I found said they're Bosch 62672. It appears they were initially sold for Volvos and I've found some data when I search 0-280-155-831 but it's not the min injector on time and/or off times. They do have some basic flow data at two different pressures and a couple BSFC at different duty cycles but now what I'm looking for. I'm very novice at this since I only started with the software last week, but I did get my car to run much better this past week so now I'm excited to learn. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
@@Like2drill4oil Ideally, you could obtain a pressure rating, high slope, low slope. breakpoint, minimum pulsewidth, and injector offset vs. battery voltage function. That would pretty much complete Ford's Injector characterization specs.
@@Like2drill4oil did you ever get data for this injectors? I have 2 sets and I have some data but not sure if it is correct.
I have Siemens Deka 80lb I know Holly has then listed but is there any information you have that you know is good?
@T Web ??
I’ve always used the info listed on efidynotuning.com for those injectors, then modified from there. But I’ve not had a car run those at higher than standard 39 psi. If you really need bigger injectors than that, you’re starting to move into a different type of setup altogether. And stretching a smallish set at that point for more fuel isn’t really the kinda thing I’d recommend. Lol.
@@LeechMotorsports yeah I pick those injectors because of the guy that runs EFI dyno tuning recommended to buy those injectors and to be totally honest I kind of wish I went with something a little bit smaller because I'm only running a 302 Turbo With 93 pump gas and your typical gt40p heads Cobra intake upgraded valve springs and 1.7 rockers I probably could have went with 42 Pounders or 47 like what you showed in you're one video. Yeah at the time I didn't really know much now that I have spent a lot of money on trying to learn the whole tuning world for the past 3 years. I mean don't get me wrong they work I just think if I were to put 42 LB or 47 pound injectors it would be a lot more smoother idling and cruising
If you’re for sure not going to turn it up more, the 47s would probably have worked or definitely some 60s. But the 80s should still work ok with some tuning.
@@LeechMotorsports I just want back on EFI dyno tuning and looked under the injector info for 80lb black with blue tip and that info don't make any sense nothing like the info you were showing for the 47lb. Trying to see if there's a difference between Holly's 80lb injector info
Hey buddy,
Love the video but am struggling with getting the right info on my injectors, any chance you could lead me to the right path for 1000cc xspurt injectors? Thanks a bunch
The data is available out there. www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/173670-injector-latencies/page/3/
Choose your intended base fuel pressure on the left of the chart, and it will give you the flow and off time numbers. You’ll want to make sure your actual system pressure and rated pressure both reflect your chosen psi. As for the off times, the sheet only lists every 2 volts, and the Holley has a point every 0.8 volts, so you’ll have to do the math to the find the values between the provided voltage points. But you at least have a clean 8, 12, and 16 v starting point.
Absolute legend, il give it a crack tonight and let you no how I went! Thanks once again
I feel like that was on my car hahah
I’m having a hard time converting info for fast 36lb injectors to info for my Holley
What is the part number on the injectors?