The reason Orange Mask Obito couldn't control the 9 Tails is because Minato put a reverse contract seal on him which cut him off from Kurama entirely. So it's less he lacked the power and more likely that he had the seal preventing him from doing it
@@cronos4040 oh yeah minato severed the contract between obito and the ninetails, so it's not that obito couldn't control the ninetails, but he cannot use it as a summon, it would be easier to control Yagura since Yagura is a perfect jinchuriki so if you control Yagura then you control the 3 tails, no summoning contract or nothing like that is required, so it's actually easier to control Yagura than the full ninetails, similarly to how it would be easy to control Naruto since Naruto would have kurama and thus obito controls both, also you can be a perfect jinchuriki and not a perfect jinchuriki if that makes sense.
"People cannot show each other their true feelings fear suspicion and resentment never subside." Madara "In this world, wherever there is light - there are also shadows. As long as the concept of winners exists, there must also be losers. The selfish desire of wanting to maintain peace causes wars, and hatred is born to protect love." Madara "The concept of hope is nothing more than giving up. A word that holds no true meaning."-Madara "You are the reincarnation of the Sage of the Six Paths, who dreamed of world peace and stability. Only the villages of large nations are showered in light, leaving your small country's shadow, dying. That is why I came here. Wherever light strikes, there will always be shadows. So as long as there is a concept of victors... the vanquished will also similarly exist. The selfish intent of wanting to preserve peace initiates wars. And hatred is born to protect love. These are all nexuses, causal relationships that can't be separated.” Obito
@@HC-gm4fo Ok the second one I don't get, maintaining peace isn't a selfish desire and hatred is also born just to hate. Hope really isn't giving up either. Well aside from how it's wrong that Nagato is the reincarnation of the sage of six paths the intent of wanting to preserve peace isn't selfish or initiates wars also Hatred can come from many different sources, not just to protect love. Stuff like peace and hatred can be separated.
@@ziggibear1920 naw Its been from the beginning The quote said something like I walk this world as Madara searching for answers, even with my sharigan I couldn’t see nothing as there was nothing to see. The quote isn’t exact but you get my point
I was just thinking about the power level of the sanin. It is safe to assume they grew in strength from the time to where they were labeled "sanin" by Hanzo to when they are introduced in the show.
all three of them are high kage tsunade is rel to v 2 8 tails killer bee . jirirya is rel to itachi they were stated to be equal also kishomoto went out of his way to give jirirya and itachi same stats in the 3 databook implying it is the authors intent to make sage jirirya and alive ms itachi equal or rel .
Tsunade was stated to be out of practice when we first saw her in part 1 so she’s probably the only one that got weaker due to depression and fear of blood, but I’d say that she surpassed her past self by the time shippuden starts since she’d obviously do training as a hokage to protect the village better and she did get a good amount of practice from healing some patients at the leaf hospital on a regular basis
I’d argue that Orange Mask Obito actually got stronger than what he was when he fought Minato since he’d obviously want to get stronger over those 16 years to have higher chances of succeeding at performing the eye of the moon plan and the reason why he isn’t able to control Kurama anymore is because Minato slapped a seal on him that cut his connection off from Kurama which prevented him from ever controlling Kurama again, and he casually reacted to 4th Raikage Ay similar to how Minato casually reacted to a younger version of Ay And just because we only see a character chilling without doing on screen training doesn’t mean that they don’t train, for example Kakashi chills around a lot and isn’t shown to train on screen but it’s obvious that he does train since his skill with Kamui does improve from arc to arc ever since he first gained the ability
OM Obito is obviously way stronger then yellow mask Obito lol they were just trying to make arguments for the sake of it, Six even said don’t take it as 100% fact.
Jiraiya gets sucked into Kamui than toads summon Obito from the dimension than the gambunta toad summon reverse with Jiraiya in stomach but the mountain and jiriaya goes back to earth.
They actually does show that Kakashi trained to get on it's level, as i remember there's a scene where Kakashi was a prodigy kid aka the quiet kid with natural talent while Guy was the underdog who had to train twice to get on his level... and then Guy saw Kakashi training twice as harder than himself as well.
Just to mention that Obito's skill with Kamui it's like a natural thing to him, since he was using it perfectly even without conscience when he first obtained it at the 3rd War
They do its just that swag has a long upload gap and sethis working on mutiple things like naruto vs ichigo a hour long goku video,a collab with six,a star wars video and some other projects that he is keeping a secret like some animal and historical fight video witch I think is gonna be pirate vs ninja
With the three of them at full power I see no reason they shouldn’t be able to take Pain. My question is what is full power Orochimaru? His power scaling is wonky when he changes bodies so I think the amount of help he provides greatly depends on who’s body he is in and when. Depending on that he could go from being the star to back up support.
@@trinitussancti6448 Let's say you don't agree with Pains statment of "if Jiraiya knew about my secret, he would have beat me." Then you'd have to agree that he almost killed 4 paths by himseslf, even if they weren't the strongest of the paths. Then you have to take into account what the other 2 could do as a team. Literally nobody in the akatsuki knows of orochimarus full strength, hence why they couldn't find him , let alone kill him. We haven't even got to how strong and unkillable tsunade is as person. So yes, the 3 of them could in-fact have beat pain in narutos stead.
@@Mthangwithdaswitch no he doesn’t, Kakazu scales to hashirama since he survived a fight with him and Hashirama>>Obito. Also his raw durability is way too much for Obito to handle.
9:50 I'd say the Hydra is slightly bigger than Gyuki the tailed beasts are relative in size and the sannin's summonings are relative in size, in part 1 we saw that Gamabunta was around Shukaku's height, so if the Hydra is bigger than Manda it should be bigger than Gyuki too
I do agree with the outcome of each fight , I just don’t see how it would be a fair match up to allow Obito to have the 6 jinchuriki & not allow Orochimaru to use edo tensei . Even if you swap out Hashirama for the 3rd kazekage & restrict Minato to base , I think that would be more a fair match .
it is unknown how many edo tensei orochimaru has and how well he is able to control them and utilize their power. Whereas we know what Obito's jinchurikis are capable of from the start.
@@moeshawn13 no even then. All the kages would break out of it. Tobirama just flexing almost broke out of it if not for hashirama calming him down and orochimaru tightening the seal. Minato also breaks out of it because he has sage mode and kcm2. Hiruzen is hard to say if he breaks out
@@Zeno1781 you are exaggerating. Tobirama tried to break free but Orochimaru shut it down hard. Hashirama then laughed at Tobirama for being sloppy and getting weak and underestimating Orochimaru. The only one who could break free of Orochimaru was Hashirama. But you are forgetting that Orochimaru was doing ALL OF THAT without any control tags. He didn't even put any control tags in their Edo Tensei bodies yet. Orochimaru just used his own Chakra and skill to suppress them. That is damn impressive. If he put control tags in their bodies and turned off their personalities then Orochimaru could probably control all of them.
Brah Orochimaru wasn’t struggling with the four tails. This dude was nerfed without his hand signs, his dying body and he was fascinated with the entire match. Orochimaru with a healthy body and his ninjitsu would’ve been a problem. Not saying he can beat Obito 1v1 but he would’ve been the biggest problem.
Agreed and even if u downplay orichmaru and say 4 tails was kinda giving him the work, his body was on the brink of death snd he can’t use ninjitsu. Orochimaru is always downplayed.
no character is more underrated than jiraya. jiraya was obviously holding himself back from hurting or killing naruto 4 tails. So jiraya's "near death" is in the fact that he was holding back, not even using sage mode he was. jiraya is above characters like itachi, sasuke MS, obito, tsunade, kakashi, naruto SM and the 5 kages. in the naruto series, context is very important, and everyone who analyzes the subject doesn't realize it.
i'd say the sannin mightve been more or less equal to each other in the 3rd ninja war but they definitely were on different levels during naruto, mostly might bebecause tsunade and jiraiya were agingand orochimaru was studying forbidden jutsus
Based on the Anko and Hiruzen statement about no-one in the village being capable of beating Orochimaru, you COULD(very heavy emphisis) infer that he scales higher than Gai using the gates. Certainly not up to the 8th gate, but potentially to 7th which is a pretty high scale as he was capable of bodying Kisame in water and launching a hirudora that blew madara away in his susanoo. Probably not though, and it doesn't take into account gai getting stronger over the 2 years since that point, so 7th gate gai may have been weaker than orochimaru at that point, but still worth mentioning as a fun upscale for the sannin.
I feel the thing that holds that back is that guy showing how he does with the seventh gate too Anko or hiruzen too gauge him on his chances on beating orochimaru
@@gameuniverse5973 Oh yeah, absolutely. In all honesty, there's no guarantee they've even seen gai use any of the gates, let alone 7th. I'm sure Kisame+ level opponents haven't just shown up here and there for him to show off how strong he is either XD Just thought it could be interesting to hypothesis a potential high ball for orochimaru,( although I feel arguing whether Hiruzen is stronger than 7th gate gai is already pretty contentious and is up to interpretation).
Obito isn't in the village tho & u can't scale 7th gate Guy above Obito.....& That statement could just mean "beat" in terms of taking him down since he can regenerate, but Obito can just send him to kamui demension.
Individual outlier statements are completely irrelevant without significant feat based backup. Using this logic, you could wank Itachi to being an invincible shinobi who could beat anybody including SP Naruto and Sasuke as Black Zetsu stated that Itachi was "invincible" because of the yatamirror and totsuka blade despite being alive for 1000 years and seeing other shinobi like Hashirama, Madara and later on SP Naruto and SP Sasuke and he never states anything similar of either of them. It's a delusional way opf scaling if there isn't direct feats that support the outlier statement in which then you can use the said feats to further validify the statement.
Also 7:00 talking of how hiruzen is weaker, his summoning also states that he’s holding back implying that he could’ve been killed Orochimaru. I mean that could fall under him being in another body but i would think that the summoning knows how hiruzen feels and the mental suppression he has on himself at that point
@@gameuniverse5973 honestly the only person I could see him being stronger than is the second especially due to him only really showing his intelligence and quick thinking above all else
For the fan book 1 statement that was before they knew where tsunade was as it says her whereabouts were unknown so it was likely in reference to her reputation imo
Honestly, yellow mask obito would run at them with the chain behind him and phase through them in one sprint in my opinion, since obito at that point was crazy fast. So unless they are in like their strongest modes, they lose in 10 seconds.
not really the 4 raikage in the war arc is stated to be on the same speed as minato. since tsunade can persive and react to the raiage tho she is slower than him she is rel to the raikage with the raikage being faster she should be able to react or at least persive obito who is below minato hence below the riakage r.
@@vaibhavmadan7125 Raikage is as fast as Minato??? No, Raikage straight up stated that there was no one on Minato's level, including himself. Tsunade can't react to the Raikage, she'd get blitzed but not taken out, she'd sustain some heavy damage though until she unleashes her Strength of a Hundred Jutsu.
Reaction time isn’t the same as speed. Tobi probably can’t even use Kamui probably since if he sends one of them in the other dimension, he’s taking a huge risk of using it again since the person in the other dimension that just hit Obito when he is intangible.
@@uzumakiroot3853 or he can just teleport them to a different location on Earth lol if he decides to teleport one of them to his dimension he can just genjutsu them inside it and gg.
@@norbit6780 also he might have the ninetails in kamui dimension, another thing is it doesn't matter obito is just faster than them by far and they cannot attack fast enough to catch him
The thing about 14 yrs old Obito Is that he has to become tangible to kamui actually people so like if he were to try and take the time to do that he is vulnerable to everyone else and the three Sanins teamwork is said to be the best out there. I do think they could work with that honestly
I still cannot believe that the Sanin get clapped by a 14 year old. This is hilarious. Also, Obito is super broken cause he can use woodstyle to wipe out the Sanin or his insane Genjutsu and back-up Izanami incase he plays with the Sanin to much. Kishimoto gave him too much power
@@gameuniverse5973 tsunade ~ raikage > v2 8 TAILS KILLER BEE and i am pretty sure v 2 8 tails bee > v 2 6 tails naruto so tsunade war arc > v 2 6 tails naruto . this is true because sage naruto in the war arc surpasses 6 tails naruto in t the pain arc yet he does nothing to madara while tsunade is breaking his sussano rib cages like nothing . orochimaru > hiruzen > raikage ~> bee so Orochimaru also stomps 6 tails . as for sage jirirya this is ganna be controversial alive itachi said that he and jirirya are rel and Kishimoto went out of his way and gave jirirya and itachi equal stats in the 3 databook implying that jirirya ~ itachi by authors intent . even a heavily weaened itachi that fought sasuke > kisame ~ v 2 8 tails killer bee . .
I just wanted to mention the fact that if Tsunade or any of the Sannin get caught in kamui, Obito would then have a hard time using it in future reference. Just like the fight with Kakashi, if he uses kamui his body would enter the other dimension, open for attack. :)
Nah, there's definitely no reason that Obito got weaker in the last decade after his fight with Minato. If he wasn't out there capturing bijuu or messing around with the Akatsuki as Tobi then he's definitely at his hideout either training to get stronger and he's doing the final preparations to enact his plan.
@@sixfromtokyohe doesn’t get weaker you are slow… how was he able to counter blitz kcm2? What’s the difference between orange mask and white mask? He gained nothing from the rinnegan but the visual powers , all that speed is from the muscle
Does pulling somebody into the Kamui dimension really remove them from the fight? It certainly would in a 1v1 scenario, but in a group battle, wouldn't pulling someone into Kamui put Obito at a disadvantage? It would stop him from phasing through attacks, because he could be attacked in both dimensions at once.
@@gameuniverse5973 I get what you mean, but Obito has very few options to deal with Sanin level opponents without using Kamui. I mean, he has fire style jutsu and genjutsu, but that wouldn't do much against Sage Jiraiya.
@Darren Villanueva yeah remember how he had the bug guy and the yamaka guy in the kamui dimension yet when he went back there Sasuke and Karin where shown too not be near them and he then also kamui two times during and after the danzo fight yet the bug guy and the other one dint attack him during that
@@randomkiwibloop3661 that why he grabs Jiraiya before he gets too sage mode and puts him in kamui too deal with him first probably put him into genjutsu or just kill him
I like how people think that everyone that’s still alive in boruto would blitz and fodderise any character in shippuden unless Orochimaru got some insane amp or feat that scales him above Rinnegan Obito, what feat has he accomplished that scales him to that level? Can’t remember.
I dont think the frog song would be able to hit because you guys remember when diedara uses c4 and the mini explosions came out sasuke was able to see the cloud of chakra and was able to evade them? If so 14 year old obito should be able to do the same since he gained control over full kurama that alone is impressive which should mean his mastery over his sharingan is insane and when ma and pa do there frog song i do believe from obitos perspective he might just see the chakra emitting from their mouths that should be his key to evacuate the area also frog song hits with sound and this is a powerful genjutsu but this thing actually hitting might just be impossible cause in kid naruto part1 baby sasuke was ablr to avoid a sound attack along with temari (manga kishimoto draws the sound waves coming to temari and she quickly reacts to it before it can hit her) so with this obito should be avoiding frog song thats what i think atleast
Well this would be assuming that obitos eyes could see things even madaras rinngan can’t. Pain wasn’t able to see the frog song so I doubt obito would be able to.
so i know its a stomp, but I would love to see a breakdown of Jiriyah vs Kashin Koji. I have a feeling that hes not gone from boruto yet, but until we see more of Koji, I think it would be a good fight (even if it is just a brutalization) to see Pervy Sage vs Chad Android Guy
Man you have some hazy memory. Orochimaru was playing with 4 Tails Naruto. And he was doing it without almost any jutsus since his arms were sealed away by the Death Reaper.
I think the statement could be taken that way, but its contradicted by the fact that Obito could control those Bijuu and still had plenty of chakra to fight KCM2 Naruto, Guy, Lakashi, and Bee with no real issue till the Kamui connection. Which isnt a chakra feat its a hacks feat along with the Rinnegan. Its hacks not increasing your chakra pool. Obito also isnt known to the world at the time and he is considered dead too.
Pretty sure it did the opposite for Obito it stated If it not your eye on that dojustu it way more straining and a Rinnegan itself takes Charkra too maintain so Obito had a double negative with the Rinnegan which you would think why dint he use the preta when he stated he could use the human path
I was calling cap on first about jaraiya having to turn on an office sensory abilities but then I remembered when he was gathered in nature energy he threw up this bubble shield thingy that let him be able to sense the invisible lizard thing in the rain village.
People really sleep on Orochimaru… No mention of him: Absorbing kabuto and gaining the powers of the sound five along with his dragon sage mode Reanimation was not mentioned at all let alone the fact that he now has access to a much more potent version of it when he already proved capable of reviving hokage 1-3 casually He also absorbed white Zetsu which gives him amped strength and durability as well as the ability to use wood style.
We’ve never really seen him go all out, only casually slapping around the four tails and fighting the third Who was stated to be the strongest kage with none of those advantages on top of a bunch of nerfs like: being on the verge of death due to having an expiring body Having just used a bunch of chakra from infiltrating the village Holding back because of his feelings for the third. Also sucking him into the kamui dimension would not even defeat him because he can easily just respawn somewhere else like he always does
How is this even a question someone asks in the first place, I’m pretty sure 14 year old Obito could beat Jiraya and Tsunade especially if they’re caught off guard
@@TheBigExclusive Obito is the same guy who made Minato think he was Madara at age 14 and his teleportation is so fast that it impresses Minato lmao he stomps the sannin.
@@norbit6780 What exactly is Obito gonna do to the Sannin? Suck them into the Kamui dimension? They can just reverse summon jutsu themselves out of it.
@@TheBigExclusive obito has a fire style jutsu that’s bigger than the Juubi and matches Madara in terms of size, the fire vortex is stated to be inescapable so if one of the Sannin are trapped in it’s over, the reason why it didn’t do anything to Team Naruto is because Naruto literally had the strongest Tailed beast at his disposal which deflected the flames. His taijutsu is insane since even whilst holding back he was manhandling War arc Kakashi who was able to somewhat keep pace with Gates Guy. He also has izanagi so if they do manage to kill Obito somehow they’d have to fight him again, not to mention his Woodstyle which he used to obliterate a whole anbu village at the age of 13 so imagine what he’s capable of as an Adult, we’ve already seen his Woodstyle be strong enough to restrain KCM 2 Naruto so he’d have no problem catching the Sannin in a Woodstyle jutsu.
Yup. I can't believe people are forgetting about this. Kamui doesn't work if you have a teleportation counter. War Arc Orochimaru even knows Reaper Death Seal too. What can Non-Rinnegan Obito do to the Sannin? Suck them into Kamui? They can just reverse animal summon jutsu their way out of the Kamui dimension. In fact, the Sannin and Orochimaru could probably figure out its weakness. One of the Sannin would let themselves get sucked in. Them when Obito uses Kamui to phase through attacks, then the Sannin in the Kamui will attack Obito's real body. Imagine Obito getting a full force punch from Tsunade after he sucks her into the Kamui dimension and he tries to phase. Just like when Kakashi punched Obito but worse. Or when Naruto hit Obito in the face with a Rasengan.
Tsunade was a retired ninja and hadn’t fought in a long time and she didn’t know the extent to jiraiyas power at the time and jiraiya didn’t know either he just assumed that he could beat her which was why she had that reaction
Honestly; its super inconsistent the way the kage think they need the entire shinobi alliance to stop 7 Biju; I kinda feel like somethings gotta be a mistranslation or something. It's stated the Raikage was stronger than Bee when he was introduced and it was basically shown by the way Sasuke's fights went against them. Bee is above 8 tails level because he IS the 8 tail's perfect jinchuriki and it's stated biju are stronger in a jinchuriki... And the Sannin are all Raikage level or above... And each biju is stronger than the ones below them... Sannin>Raikage>Bee>8 Tails>the 7 weaker Biju? And well; that means Tsunade, Raikage, and Onoki who are the 3 strongest kage all scale above the 7 Biju Obito has... And remember they had no idea about Kabuto; the edos; and the zetsu army at the time...
@@gameuniverse5973 No, actually they did not include the gedo statue. Obito "Madara" never mentioned it... Nor did the kage. Nor is the gedo statue really considered any sort of major source of power excluding using it to make the 10 tails; Which Obito couldn't do. If he could there'd be no 4th Ninja War... He'd just use infinite tsukuyomi and be done. So stop with the headcanon.
It's not just 7 Biju. It's 7 Edo immortal tail beast Jinchuriki with each having one Rinengan eye each. With some of the Jinchuriki already Kage level. Like Yagura for example. There's also the Jedo Mazo. And Obito himself.
@@zmartusers3396 uh... they did not know that they were gonna revive the jinchuriki, nor did they expect Obito to have the rinnegan. So no they argument doesn't stand, it only works in hindsight. They had no idea Kabuto was gonna make edo tenseis or join Obito. They didn't know Obito would steal the rinnegan from Nagato's corpse either.
There’s an issue I noticed while watching this vid you guys kinda just said tsunade would get sucked into kamui and gg while true in a 1 v 1 in a 1 v x Obito cannot do that. Kamui doesn’t kill you it traps you in an alternate dimension so tsunade would just get trapped in his dimension and unless he sucks and cucks everyone what’s going to happen is he’s going to attempt to dodge an attack from Orochimaru or Jiraiya and get obliterated by tsunade from the inside. As a result she is a factor in any 3 v 1 against obito
He can control where he transports his body parts, he literally gives Kakashi a free fatal shot to remove the seal when he was fighting Naruto, guy and bee while Kakashi was trapped and later mentions it to Kakashi when they fight, also the bfr isn't even needed in the first place Obito can just speed blitz her consider his speed being comparable to kcm2 Naruto and bee and 6 gate guy who he fights at the same time.
@@_unmixed_6865 wrong he can’t control where he transport his body where ever he’s at in the real world is where his body will appear in the same area in his dimension. Think of it like an over lap of the real world so if obito went into his dimension in the leaf village he will still be in the leaf village he won’t just appear in like the sand village. Also you can’t speed blitz tsunade so easily due to her 100 healing jutsu she’s the most tankiest out of the three sannin. Btw proof that obito can’t decide where he can put his body is littered all throughout the fight he had against Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Guy such as characters and attacks being teleported into his dimension where he’s overlapping thus tagging him with the attacks
@@kingk.d.m4620 technically that is still a form of control over Kamui, also he can always Kamui into his weapon stash. Also obito has fought multiple opponents who both possessed a counter to Kamui yet he could still trap one and Kamui through the others attacks (both were S class nin probably relavant to hidan). When they were shown again they were beaten and extremely weak minded begging to be killed. This behaviour could be evidence that Obito puts his opponents in a genjutsu as they enter the dimension (Also shown against Kakashi albeit a much weaker and obvious genjutsu) with this in mind, tsunade won't be able to do anything from in side the Kamui dimension. About the speed blitz it doesn't need to kill her just immobilizer I'm sure he could find a way to brake her ankles or something.
@@kingk.d.m4620 it's been a. While since I've been In a debate I'm excited to see how this ends. I'll admit the first point was definitely a half point for you but I do think my rebuttal was enough to tie it. I'm excited to receive your opinion on the second point though
the sannin stalemated hanzo. hanzo was killed by pain. pain took orders from obito. Usually I'm not an A>B>C type guy in power scaling but in this case I do think Obito casually fucks with the sannin. his sharingan is too hax.
Imperfect Sage Mode Jiraiya doesn't seem to have sensory because he fail to react to Asura Path and the Animal Path that stab him through his chest area before collapsing. He got damage twice while in Sage Mode and full aware of his surroundings. He also seem to depend on the 2 toads on his shoulder to watch his backside especially in the scan where Pa drop a smoke bomb to hide Jiraiya before the path hit him which further indicates lack of sensory capability. Feats indicates perfect Sage Mode like Naruto, Kabuto and Hashirama can sense stuff.
@@user-ov4hu3ir7h yea he is a perfect sage lmao. You can’t be a imperfect snake sage due to the methods of getting sage mode at ryuchi cave . The great snake sage bites and injects nature energy into a person and if their body can handle it , they get trained , if not the snakes eat their unstable body instantly on the spot as opposed to the toads at mt.myoboku who will go out their way to help people maintain sage mode even if they can’t perfectly master it (ex:Jiraiya, or naruto before he mastered it). Orochimaru could’ve been a perfect sage , but his body switching to weaker bodies for immortality made sage mode unuseable for him but he still had some sage chakra (which he reinforced into his curse marks) kabutos appearance is different because of all the lab experiments he did on himself , along with taking in jugos dna, he’s probably going through sage transformation like jugo , sasuke , and the sound 4 did when using their curse marks and since sage transformation from jugos clan dna specifically has the user passively absorb nature energy passively that’s most likely what’s happening . He’s going through sage transformation while also using sage mode. Outside of the little horns on his head and the grey skin ( same grey skin that sasuke gained when he used his curse mark v2, which is sage transformation) everything about kabuto is the same outside of his extra snake limb that he got from experiments
@@user-ov4hu3ir7h yea stated by mt.myoboku toads for THEIR sage mode , it’s also stated that if people who train at mt myoboku and can’t handle nature energy they automatically turn into frog statues but that isn’t the same case for ryuchi cave obviously, maybe because they’re 🤔 different 😳🤯
@@meetthemoo225 no they don’t automatically work differently Kabuto is not a perfect sage but miski from Boruto is clearly a lot closer to a perfect sage
How does Kamui's dimension work in a combat sense? Does Obito just leave you on one of the prism platforms so you starve to death, if he has no further use for you? Or does he simply drop you into the void? I know the only convenient way in and out seems to be Obito's eyes, but I do wonder how some of the more ingenuitive Shinobi would deal with being stuck inside the dimension, given they weren't killed right away and the plot required escape.
the only way in or out of his dimension is kamui, so if the plot demanded their escape it would have to be kakashi rescuing them, or someone taking obito's eyes
@@leakybumhole Makes sense. I assumed none of the characters would be able to “Buu scream” their way-out haha. Edit: The whole “Plot demands it” thing makes me wonder if characters like Orochimaru, Danzo, Amado, etc. Would have the means to replicate Obito’s eyes for said function, even if it was from a simple “Strand of hair.”
@@gameuniverse5973 Yeah Amado seems to be pretty crazy, next level intelligence. Kabuto is a bit underrated IMO, would probably be a pretty dangerous guy if he had gotten his hands on even one of Obito’s eyes.
No because Itachi couldn't break out of the Sound Genjutsu when he was fighting Kabuto. He needed Sasuke's help to break free of it. And Itachi is a Grand Master of Genjutsu and far better than Obito.
@@TheBigExclusive I don't disagree with this but if he can perform Izanagi mid air while phasing through Konan's paper bombs, he certainly can while under Genjutsu. Kishimoto made him to OP. Plus his durability is insane af.
I don’t like the YM > OM arguments, hell I got some arguments for OM > but either way I think he can just blitz and clap all 3 before they can do anything
@Six whatchu mean not sure? teen obito was able to heavily press Minato he slaughter all three they'd have no info on kamui or any way to deal with it.
I can't believe people are forgetting about this. Kamui doesn't work if you have a teleportation counter. War Arc Orochimaru even knows Reaper Death Seal too. What can Non-Rinnegan Obito do to the Sannin? Suck them into Kamui? They can just reverse animal summon jutsu their way out of the Kamui dimension. In fact, the Sannin and Orochimaru could probably figure out its weakness. One of the Sannin would let themselves get sucked in. Them when Obito uses Kamui to phase through attacks, then the Sannin in the Kamui will attack Obito's real body. Imagine Obito getting a full force punch from Tsunade after he sucks her into the Kamui dimension and he tries to phase. Just like when Kakashi punched Obito but worse. Or when Naruto hit Obito in the face with a Rasengan.
What can Obito do right? Not like was able to use wood style to kill them all right? Not like he could use a fire style that matched madara's in war arc right? Not like he can speed blitz any of them with speed relative to minato right? Not like he has one of the strongest genjutsu right?
@@vatsalsrivastav5195 - 1. Orange Mask Obito didn't even use wood style as an adult. 2. Jiraiya could probably counter the fire style with his Toad Fire style. 3. Obito isn't that fast. Kakashi, Guy, Naruto, and Bee could keep up with White Mask Obito. And Orange Mask Obito lost an arm while fighting Danzo's Jounin guards. 4. I question if Obito is better at Genjutsu or not. Itachi is better at Genjutsu in my opinion. Plus Obito would be fighting 3 Sannin at once. They would be covering for eachother. Just like the Kage battle. Even if he tags one with Genjutsu, the other 2 will release the Genjutsu. 5. War Arc Orochimaru knows how to perform Reaper Death Seal. If he Orochimaru were desperate, he could just suck out Obito's soul.
@@TheBigExclusive 1.he didn't use wood style because he didn't need to.( Seriously when do you see orange mask Obito go all out) 2.bee wasn't keeping up ( he never states he can't keep up but closely looking at fight you can see he was slower), KCM Naruto was slower than Obito in the fight there are multiple seens where Naruto is shown to be physically weaker and slower. Kakashi was plot buffed in war arc and Obito lost to kakshi on purpose (it's like saying Itachi is slower than sasuke) 3. Obito didn't lose an arm in fight he broke it himself to avoid infection from spreading you are saying it as if guard broke his arm. 4. Reaper death seal user needs to be strong enough to seal away someone Obito is physically stronger than orochimaru 5. Itachi has better genjutsu in terms of showing illusion or a painful genjutsu while Obito has better genjutsu in terms of controlling others
@@TheBigExclusive you saying that Naruto guy bee and Kakashi from the world work being able to keep up with him is supposed to disprove his speed but all of those characters were faster than the Sanin
With him not capturing Naruto when he's sleeping. I think somewhere it's stated that the Statue can't handle Kurama until it has all of the prior tailed beasts. I think, it could just be head cannon. And we all know holding Naruto as a hostage for any amount of time. Isnt good 😂 His Talk No Jutsu is too OP
Me: A new channel! Let’s gooooo! Sannin vs Obito? Me: seems pretty clear but I’m gonna love hearing what y’all got to say. Plus I love that it’s original. Y’all: There will be time traveling. Me: … okay? I guess.. sure. Y’all: Minato won’t be in it! Me: Why… why would he be? Y’all: Pain will- Me: Pain??? You know what… it’s time to go.
@@TheBigExclusive explain? If we go with 14 year old obito. 14 year old obito is the same dude who’s genjutsu powers is strong enough to genjutsu the full power 9 tails with just tomoe sharingan. Just 50% 4 tails version 2 of that 9 tails almost killed jiraya, orochimaru couldn’t even pierce its skin with his strongest jutsu. So obito with the kurama wins. Even if we don’t give him that….. You could say obito grew stronger before he could do this but obito was able to genjutsu a perfect jinjuriki for 4 years. Jinjuriki are said to be immune to genjutsu. Bee and Naruto being the big fat evidence. Bee easily breaks out of sasuke genjutsu with gyuuki help. Naruto fights multiple sharingan users and they never thought of genjutsu.
@@Zeno1781 jiraiya was fighting Naruto the last person he would want to kill. jiraiya became depressed for decades because he wasn't there to save his students you think he can kill one over a seal malfunction he obviously had a huge mental nerf
You're underestimating orochimaru. Sure he had problems with 4tails Naruto but he also barely had access to jutus as his arms were sealed by the third hokage
@@Zeno1781 Maybe because he casually fodderized Zetsu Yamato who was casually murdering the entire shinobi alliance after their amps about five seconds after he came back with his full strength?
Honestly, I was half expecting Kashi Kojin to get brought up since it's Jiraiya's clone, but then again, it'd be like him on a team with War Arc Orochimaru and Tsunade, which he is carrying without even going sage mode. I will say, them against White Masked Obito and the jinchuriki is a fairer fight since Kashi Kojin throws hands with people with stronger taijutsu and base Jutsu as he has all of Jiraiya's techniques and summonings, but stronger. Then he also has the Flames that can't be absorbed, then also Sage Mode
I don't see how orange mask Obito could have gotten weaker, there isn't anything to support that either. I personally think that he put up a goofy persona to trick everyone and therefore is still strong.
Tsunade is just tough to scale cuz she’s as strong as the plot needs her to be. She goes from getting embarrassed by kabuto in part 1, to surviving getting stabbed by madara’s perfect susano’o in the war arc 😂
@@TheLyingFigure Tsunade was rusty with lack of practice, drinking gambling and traumatised since 3 decades. She still was able to overpower Kabuto and force him to use her Blood Phobia against her. Also remember kabuto used 3 Soldier pills to enhance his speed to keep up with 50 years old rusty Tsunade. So she should not be underestimated .
Why not just put them on an even playing field and say Obito vs Sannin instead of putting the Sannin in scenarios where Obito fought. Its already a made up situation but it far more even if 1 eye Obito goes against the Sannin with no help than if he has any tailed beasts. The difference being a one sided slap vs a nuanced fight where you actually have to look at the abilities of those present in the fight.
ikr lmao the time travel shit is so unnecessary and nah its not a fair fight at all, the Sannin get negged unless Orochimaru has his war arc edos to then which Obito would get negged
@@norbit6780 they do it for Madara all the time too. Like “could X beat Madara?”, oh thats an interesting matchup if you really look at the skil-“Now we all know Madara has the full 9-tails” …….
I think this fight is a lot closer (in each scenario) than we think. Raikage is faster than Tsunade, but Tsunade in their fight against Madara was fast enough to force him to react to things and was fast enough herself to not be totally useless against him and actually fight. Clearly he’s stronger here but my point is that Madara has relative speed and reaction to the 5 kage, at least in the way that he’s not so far out of their dimension of power where he’s just incomprehensible to them. If Madara could keep up with Obito (community consensus being he’d just win), then I think it’s fair to say the Sannin could, and Minato is clearly faster than Madara. Then we have the fact that all three Sannin have access to environmental control that would force Obito to use kamui. Swamp, frogs throat, snake swarm, Tsunade creating intraversable terrain by punching the ground. There’s a lot of area control here that if Obito becomes tangible in the wrong spot, he’s forced to use kamui again to get out. This could easily turn into a battle of attrition against three people who have pretty good sized chakra pools. I think the matchup favors Obito, but I think it’s also disingenuous to say that the Sannin are so outclassed in speed and reactions that they would have zero options to defend themselves while working together. Minato did it solo, but he beat Obito (again, community thinks he “negative difficulty” beat Obito, which I think is untrue but if you think that way then it gives more credence to the Sannin), and even then how often have we really seen Orochimaru not lose because he had to be written into arrogance, or Jiraiya losing to someone contentious to Obito (Pain) with zero intel? So yeah Obito wins most scenarios but not so badly he just decides to run up on them and he’s so fast they can’t even react to being touched
Pain ain’t contentious with Obito at all, Obito refers to Pain as an underling and subordinate which are terms used to undermine someone’s rank or tier. Obito was the true leader of the Akautski for a reason, Pain even says that Obitos’s orders are an inference to his true plans and he knows not to disobey him otherwise he’d get his ass kicked. Minato even flat out tells Naruto that Obito is a much bigger threat than Pain and that he needs to master the 9 Tails chakra to even stand a chance against the 14 year old obito that he fought, these are Minatos words not mine. Obito>>Pain>> any of the Sannin.
great vid but I respectfully disagree with the frog song argument only because I believe it was stated the paths of pain don’t have the rinnegan it’s jus projected into there eyes so they shouldn’t have immunity to genjutsu anyway and it would probably be a lot easier for nagato to jus let those pains go and deal with jiraya right then seeing as tho he still had the stronger paths but still great vid my guy
Honestly, Obito was trolling after he lost to Minato. Man could've went around doodle-bopping jinchiruki while he gathered a team. I don't think he was lazy though, he just saw a good plotline forming and decided to watch events play out. After a while he realized, "wait a second, I could fit into this story perfectly."
Yeah thought the Same only orochimaru with the Edo tensei could be really Hard to defeat Tsunade is Not weak we saw what she can do to Madara and jiraya with his inperferct sage Mode that all can damage Obito but Never defeat
only way I see the sannin winning is orochi and tsunade stalling and protecting sage jir until frog song comes out. they would be pretty good at stalling, and seeing as obito has to solidify to attack they COULD pull it off I think
Pain and Konan only listen to Obito because they think he's Madara. As you've seen when Obito fought Konan she almost beat him the only reason he survived is Isanagi.
It's possible to scale all the sannin in base as they are all relative to base Minato. As in the panel where Hiruzen says he doesn't know if he could defeat Orochimaru he mentions after Anko says if Minato was here he could that that was years ago. It's also been stated that Jirayia was supposed to succeed Hiruzen not Minato meaning that it was thought he would be as good a Hokage or better than Minato. Jirayia stated he regrets he couldn't save Minato or Hiruzen essentially stating that had he been there Orochimaru and Obito would've failed. Minato even states that he knows no one who is as splendid as Jirayia. It's also possible that even with the nine tails Obito could be stopped as Jirayia is capable of performing many of the feats of Minato.
I highly disagree in some regard, now some feats as though he has similar jutsu, I agree there they share a similar arsenal, but in terms of stats it's not implied, in fact it's implied minato is way superior to jiraiya, base jiraiya at least idk about sage mode, since this fight between minato and obito is a speed/ space time ninjutsu battle, then you'd still have to prove that jiraiya scales to minato in speed and not just oh jiraiya can do some of the things minato can, so he scales to minato, that's not how it works, but I do like the statements you went for, however the one where jiraiya says he COULDN'T save his student should just be taken as jiraiya didn't think he was strong enough to save his student, there's another interpretation that maybe he could if he was there, which is possible, however the scaling drastically implies otherwise.
@Momo the one elaborate on how it's implied that base Minato is superior to base Jirayia overall the statements that I've pulled say otherwise. However, oversights happen the only things that Minato has stated to essentially surpass him in by default is speed and talent overall many statements seem to support that overall Jirayia is superior and by default the other sannin. As for him not being able to save Hiruzen and Minato it seems more so as to not being there rather than not strong enough. Although it could be implied through a bit of a stretch as if Jirayia brought down Orochimaru or brought him back he would've likely been in the leaf to help Minato and Hiruzen should the sand have decided to act even without Orochimaru him not doing so could be implied to mean he just wasn't strong enough could be extended to him not being able to get to Hiruzen as well.
What can Non-Rinnegan Obito do to the Sannin? Suck them into Kamui? They can just reverse animal summon jutsu their way out of the Kamui dimension. In fact, the Sannin working together could probably figure out Kamui's weakness. One of the Sannin would let themselves get sucked in. Them when Obito uses Kamui to phase through attacks, then the Sannin in the Kamui will attack Obito's real body. Imagine Obito getting a full force punch from Tsunade after he sucks her into the Kamui dimension and he tries to phase. Just like when Kakashi punched Obito but worse. Or when Naruto hit Obito in the face with a Rasengan.
I don't know how to get people to understand that orochimaru is a beast especially boruto orochimaru Sound Five Jugo Karin Suigetsu Everything Mitsuki can do Zetsu body Edo All kabuto abilities Curse marks to comeback if killed And more
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No thank you for uploading.
I’m early, thank you for makin masterpieces
Honestly i said this fight before too see if the sannin can do better than the five Kage on fightning Obito
Thanks for making the vid!
Hey six do you think madara can maybe have a chance against Aizen like a win con and how can I join your dicord man
The reason Orange Mask Obito couldn't control the 9 Tails is because Minato put a reverse contract seal on him which cut him off from Kurama entirely. So it's less he lacked the power and more likely that he had the seal preventing him from doing it
Exactly.
He literally couldn't have got weaker for the simple fact that puberty exists. lol
So he can control a perfect jenjirki but not the nine tails? 😂
@@itsofficiallypluto3670 yes, because Minato slapped the seal on his chest in their fight remember?
@@cronos4040 oh yeah minato severed the contract between obito and the ninetails, so it's not that obito couldn't control the ninetails, but he cannot use it as a summon, it would be easier to control Yagura since Yagura is a perfect jinchuriki so if you control Yagura then you control the 3 tails, no summoning contract or nothing like that is required, so it's actually easier to control Yagura than the full ninetails, similarly to how it would be easy to control Naruto since Naruto would have kurama and thus obito controls both, also you can be a perfect jinchuriki and not a perfect jinchuriki if that makes sense.
Orange mask Obito isn’t lazy, He’s walking around waiting for someone to prove him and Madara wrong
wrong about what?
"People cannot show each other their true feelings fear suspicion and resentment never subside." Madara
"In this world, wherever there is light - there are also shadows. As long as the concept of winners exists, there must also be losers. The selfish desire of wanting to maintain peace causes wars, and hatred is born to protect love." Madara
"The concept of hope is nothing more than giving up. A word that holds no true meaning."-Madara
"You are the reincarnation of the Sage of the Six Paths, who dreamed of world peace and stability. Only the villages of large nations are showered in light, leaving your small country's shadow, dying. That is why I came here. Wherever light strikes, there will always be shadows. So as long as there is a concept of victors... the vanquished will also similarly exist. The selfish intent of wanting to preserve peace initiates wars. And hatred is born to protect love. These are all nexuses, causal relationships that can't be separated.” Obito
@@HC-gm4fo Ok the second one I don't get, maintaining peace isn't a selfish desire and hatred is also born just to hate.
Hope really isn't giving up either.
Well aside from how it's wrong that Nagato is the reincarnation of the sage of six paths the intent of wanting to preserve peace isn't selfish or initiates wars also Hatred can come from many different sources, not just to protect love. Stuff like peace and hatred can be separated.
I don't really think he's really actually waiting for that yet. He's just behind the scenes pulling the strings.
@@ziggibear1920 naw Its been from the beginning
The quote said something like I walk this world as Madara searching for answers, even with my sharigan I couldn’t see nothing as there was nothing to see.
The quote isn’t exact but you get my point
I was just thinking about the power level of the sanin. It is safe to assume they grew in strength from the time to where they were labeled "sanin" by Hanzo to when they are introduced in the show.
all three of them are high kage
tsunade is rel to v 2 8 tails killer bee .
jirirya is rel to itachi they were stated to be equal also kishomoto went out of his way to give jirirya and itachi same stats in the 3 databook implying it is the authors intent to make sage jirirya and alive ms itachi equal or rel .
@@vaibhavmadan7125 how could jiraya and itachi be relative when jiraya and orochimaru are considered equals but orochi got rekt by itachi ?
Especially Orochimaru. He’s had 3 bodies since then lol
Tsunade was stated to be out of practice when we first saw her in part 1 so she’s probably the only one that got weaker due to depression and fear of blood, but I’d say that she surpassed her past self by the time shippuden starts since she’d obviously do training as a hokage to protect the village better and she did get a good amount of practice from healing some patients at the leaf hospital on a regular basis
The definitely did tsunade didn’t have the 100 healings during the war since the orochimaru didn’t know what it was when she used it
I’d argue that Orange Mask Obito actually got stronger than what he was when he fought Minato since he’d obviously want to get stronger over those 16 years to have higher chances of succeeding at performing the eye of the moon plan and the reason why he isn’t able to control Kurama anymore is because Minato slapped a seal on him that cut his connection off from Kurama which prevented him from ever controlling Kurama again, and he casually reacted to 4th Raikage Ay similar to how Minato casually reacted to a younger version of Ay
And just because we only see a character chilling without doing on screen training doesn’t mean that they don’t train, for example Kakashi chills around a lot and isn’t shown to train on screen but it’s obvious that he does train since his skill with Kamui does improve from arc to arc ever since he first gained the ability
OM Obito is obviously way stronger then yellow mask Obito lol they were just trying to make arguments for the sake of it, Six even said don’t take it as 100% fact.
Jiraiya gets sucked into Kamui than toads summon Obito from the dimension than the gambunta toad summon reverse with Jiraiya in stomach but the mountain and jiriaya goes back to earth.
They actually does show that Kakashi trained to get on it's level, as i remember there's a scene where Kakashi was a prodigy kid aka the quiet kid with natural talent while Guy was the underdog who had to train twice to get on his level... and then Guy saw Kakashi training twice as harder than himself as well.
Just to mention that Obito's skill with Kamui it's like a natural thing to him, since he was using it perfectly even without conscience when he first obtained it at the 3rd War
@@norbit6780 six fr disrespecting obito
Six you been coming thru bro, Seth and Swag hardly even take this srs anymore. preciate you bro
They do its just that swag has a long upload gap and sethis working on mutiple things like naruto vs ichigo a hour long goku video,a collab with six,a star wars video and some other projects that he is keeping a secret like some animal and historical fight video witch I think is gonna be pirate vs ninja
@@Vader255 Do you know Seth or something? 😭 how did you know we had a collab coming?
@@sixfromtokyo he’s Nardwuar in disguise
@@sixfromtokyo well you talked about in your last video and talked about it on stream when we're all calling troy a Gator
@@sixfromtokyo also seth talked about it on stream when he was reacting to what happened to totally not mark
These vids have been coming clutch bro
I've been curious about if The Sanin fought Pain in Naruto's place. Jiraiya by himself did a pretty good job
I don’t think they’d win, but they might be able to put up a little/decent fight depending on the circumstances
With the three of them at full power I see no reason they shouldn’t be able to take Pain. My question is what is full power Orochimaru? His power scaling is wonky when he changes bodies so I think the amount of help he provides greatly depends on who’s body he is in and when. Depending on that he could go from being the star to back up support.
Me too, I think it deppends if they have enough raw power to destroy shibaku tensei
@@trinitussancti6448 Let's say you don't agree with Pains statment of "if Jiraiya knew about my secret, he would have beat me." Then you'd have to agree that he almost killed 4 paths by himseslf, even if they weren't the strongest of the paths. Then you have to take into account what the other 2 could do as a team. Literally nobody in the akatsuki knows of orochimarus full strength, hence why they couldn't find him , let alone kill him. We haven't even got to how strong and unkillable tsunade is as person. So yes, the 3 of them could in-fact have beat pain in narutos stead.
Tsunade was just fodder for Pain during the destruction of the leaf,but I’m sure Orochimaru would be useful in that fight
Damn he didn’t go over juubito I wanted to see if he stood a chance against the sanin
Idk man, the sannin might catch Juubito slippin
Jubitto getting his neck bitten
but seriously i think boruto era orochimaru and borutos jirirya copy cough kashin koji cough . might just f actually fuck him .
@@vaibhavmadan7125 bruh....
You guys are trolls lol
It doesn't matter cause Kakuzu >>>
No one matching his raw durability, I'm afraid
Obito slaps lmao
@@Mthangwithdaswitch no he doesn’t, Kakazu scales to hashirama since he survived a fight with him and Hashirama>>Obito. Also his raw durability is way too much for Obito to handle.
@@norbit6780 he absolutely does NOT scale to hashirama
@@goldmamba9719 he does though, his raw durability is enough for him to rival Kaguya or Hagoromo .
@@norbit6780 facts🔥
Obito would win without putting 100%. What kind if adult goes serious against children?
My favorite quote from madara
Fr. Unless they had some sort of counter to kamui he definitely takes this.
@@ice2557 which they dont lmao. They'd win if Orochimaru has his War Arc Edos though
@@norbit6780 those are Kabutos and even with reanimated all they can do is draw
@@user-ov4hu3ir7h the Hokage edos were his and it wouldn’t end up in a draw, it’d end up in Obito getting obliterated.
9:50 I'd say the Hydra is slightly bigger than Gyuki
the tailed beasts are relative in size and the sannin's summonings are relative in size, in part 1 we saw that Gamabunta was around Shukaku's height, so if the Hydra is bigger than Manda it should be bigger than Gyuki too
Hydra is just slightly bigger than itachi’s Susanoo, which is nowhere near tailed beast size. Hydra isn’t a summon, it’s a transformation.
Yeah and shukaku was powering up and not at full power
@@notyourdragon_1839 That doesn't mean his size was different
@@AlanJia8 when Kurama was half sealed inside of naruto then into minato kurama physically got smaller
@@notyourdragon_1839 That's because part of his literal soul got ripped out of him, that's very different from not being at full power.
kakazu vs obito would’ve been more contentious tbh
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Man I swear, Six is the most underrated Naruto content creator on UA-cam
I do agree with the outcome of each fight , I just don’t see how it would be a fair match up to allow Obito to have the 6 jinchuriki & not allow Orochimaru to use edo tensei . Even if you swap out Hashirama for the 3rd kazekage & restrict Minato to base , I think that would be more a fair match .
it is unknown how many edo tensei orochimaru has and how well he is able to control them and utilize their power. Whereas we know what Obito's jinchurikis are capable of from the start.
@@bsaarob7950 I was referring to WA orochimaru who has near perfect edo tensei , his control is much greater due to the fact he has Hashirama cells .
He would get blitz before he even gets too use Edo tensei by white mask Obito
@@moeshawn13 no even then. All the kages would break out of it. Tobirama just flexing almost broke out of it if not for hashirama calming him down and orochimaru tightening the seal. Minato also breaks out of it because he has sage mode and kcm2. Hiruzen is hard to say if he breaks out
@@Zeno1781 you are exaggerating. Tobirama tried to break free but Orochimaru shut it down hard. Hashirama then laughed at Tobirama for being sloppy and getting weak and underestimating Orochimaru. The only one who could break free of Orochimaru was Hashirama.
But you are forgetting that Orochimaru was doing ALL OF THAT without any control tags. He didn't even put any control tags in their Edo Tensei bodies yet.
Orochimaru just used his own Chakra and skill to suppress them. That is damn impressive.
If he put control tags in their bodies and turned off their personalities then Orochimaru could probably control all of them.
More apt title: How fast can Obito speedrun the Sanin
Brah Orochimaru wasn’t struggling with the four tails. This dude was nerfed without his hand signs, his dying body and he was fascinated with the entire match. Orochimaru with a healthy body and his ninjitsu would’ve been a problem. Not saying he can beat Obito 1v1 but he would’ve been the biggest problem.
Agreed and even if u downplay orichmaru and say 4 tails was kinda giving him the work, his body was on the brink of death snd he can’t use ninjitsu. Orochimaru is always downplayed.
no character is more underrated than jiraya. jiraya was obviously holding himself back from hurting or killing naruto 4 tails. So jiraya's "near death" is in the fact that he was holding back, not even using sage mode he was. jiraya is above characters like itachi, sasuke MS, obito, tsunade, kakashi, naruto SM and the 5 kages. in the naruto series, context is very important, and everyone who analyzes the subject doesn't realize it.
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Jiraiya is actually very overrated considering all his power scaling is just character statements but completely featless
Consistently entertaining and informative, good shit man, keep it up 💪
i'd say the sannin mightve been more or less equal to each other in the 3rd ninja war but they definitely were on different levels during naruto, mostly might bebecause tsunade and jiraiya were agingand orochimaru was studying forbidden jutsus
The Sanin are cool and all, but Obito is curb stomping those chumps.
Based on the Anko and Hiruzen statement about no-one in the village being capable of beating Orochimaru, you COULD(very heavy emphisis) infer that he scales higher than Gai using the gates. Certainly not up to the 8th gate, but potentially to 7th which is a pretty high scale as he was capable of bodying Kisame in water and launching a hirudora that blew madara away in his susanoo.
Probably not though, and it doesn't take into account gai getting stronger over the 2 years since that point, so 7th gate gai may have been weaker than orochimaru at that point, but still worth mentioning as a fun upscale for the sannin.
I feel the thing that holds that back is that guy showing how he does with the seventh gate too Anko or hiruzen too gauge him on his chances on beating orochimaru
@@gameuniverse5973 Oh yeah, absolutely. In all honesty, there's no guarantee they've even seen gai use any of the gates, let alone 7th. I'm sure Kisame+ level opponents haven't just shown up here and there for him to show off how strong he is either XD
Just thought it could be interesting to hypothesis a potential high ball for orochimaru,( although I feel arguing whether Hiruzen is stronger than 7th gate gai is already pretty contentious and is up to interpretation).
Obito isn't in the village tho & u can't scale 7th gate Guy above Obito.....& That statement could just mean "beat" in terms of taking him down since he can regenerate, but Obito can just send him to kamui demension.
Individual outlier statements are completely irrelevant without significant feat based backup. Using this logic, you could wank Itachi to being an invincible shinobi who could beat anybody including SP Naruto and Sasuke as Black Zetsu stated that Itachi was "invincible" because of the yatamirror and totsuka blade despite being alive for 1000 years and seeing other shinobi like Hashirama, Madara and later on SP Naruto and SP Sasuke and he never states anything similar of either of them. It's a delusional way opf scaling if there isn't direct feats that support the outlier statement in which then you can use the said feats to further validify the statement.
the Gai that beat kisame and madaras susanoo was way stronger than the Gai Anko and Hiruzen were talking about
Also 7:00 talking of how hiruzen is weaker, his summoning also states that he’s holding back implying that he could’ve been killed Orochimaru. I mean that could fall under him being in another body but i would think that the summoning knows how hiruzen feels and the mental suppression he has on himself at that point
That the only excuse you can use on why you can argue Edo old hiruzen being stronger than the five Kage by statements and feats versus spiral zetsu
@@gameuniverse5973 honestly the only person I could see him being stronger than is the second especially due to him only really showing his intelligence and quick thinking above all else
For the fan book 1 statement that was before they knew where tsunade was as it says her whereabouts were unknown so it was likely in reference to her reputation imo
Honestly, yellow mask obito would run at them with the chain behind him and phase through them in one sprint in my opinion, since obito at that point was crazy fast. So unless they are in like their strongest modes, they lose in 10 seconds.
not really the 4 raikage in the war arc is stated to be on the same speed as minato. since tsunade can persive and react to the raiage tho she is slower than him she is rel to the raikage with the raikage being faster she should be able to react or at least persive obito who is below minato hence below the riakage r.
@@vaibhavmadan7125 Raikage is as fast as Minato??? No, Raikage straight up stated that there was no one on Minato's level, including himself.
Tsunade can't react to the Raikage, she'd get blitzed but not taken out, she'd sustain some heavy damage though until she unleashes her Strength of a Hundred Jutsu.
Reaction time isn’t the same as speed. Tobi probably can’t even use Kamui probably since if he sends one of them in the other dimension, he’s taking a huge risk of using it again since the person in the other dimension that just hit Obito when he is intangible.
@@uzumakiroot3853 or he can just teleport them to a different location on Earth lol if he decides to teleport one of them to his dimension he can just genjutsu them inside it and gg.
@@norbit6780 also he might have the ninetails in kamui dimension, another thing is it doesn't matter obito is just faster than them by far and they cannot attack fast enough to catch him
Great videos Six, you're on fire son!
Can’t Jiraiya just go to that Toad dimension and build up the sage mode?
😂😂😂😹😹😹
No that’s prep time
The thing about 14 yrs old Obito Is that he has to become tangible to kamui actually people so like if he were to try and take the time to do that he is vulnerable to everyone else and the three Sanins teamwork is said to be the best out there. I do think they could work with that honestly
I still cannot believe that the Sanin get clapped by a 14 year old. This is hilarious. Also, Obito is super broken cause he can use woodstyle to wipe out the Sanin or his insane Genjutsu and back-up Izanami incase he plays with the Sanin to much. Kishimoto gave him too much power
Pretty sure Naruto was fourteen when he used six tailed mode which would wipe the sannin as well so it not just Obito who big strong at a young age
@@gameuniverse5973 he was 15-16
@@gameuniverse5973 tsunade ~ raikage > v2 8 TAILS KILLER BEE
and i am pretty sure v 2 8 tails bee > v 2 6 tails naruto
so tsunade war arc > v 2 6 tails naruto . this is true because sage naruto in the war arc surpasses 6 tails naruto in t the pain arc yet he does nothing to madara while tsunade is breaking his sussano rib cages like nothing .
orochimaru > hiruzen > raikage ~> bee so Orochimaru also stomps 6 tails .
as for sage jirirya this is ganna be controversial
alive itachi said that he and jirirya are rel and Kishimoto went out of his way and gave jirirya and itachi equal stats in the 3 databook implying that jirirya ~ itachi by authors intent .
even a heavily weaened itachi that fought sasuke > kisame ~ v 2 8 tails killer bee . .
@@gameuniverse5973 naruto was 16 iirc
the second yousaid obito got weaker is when i stopped listening. you guys got some good ass crack.
I just wanted to mention the fact that if Tsunade or any of the Sannin get caught in kamui, Obito would then have a hard time using it in future reference. Just like the fight with Kakashi, if he uses kamui his body would enter the other dimension, open for attack. :)
He can control kamui
he’d just 1v1 them in kamui dimension without using kamui. Genjutsu them, wood style, izignami, edo madara level fire style.
My boi Jiraiya taking home some W's. I'm happy
Nah, there's definitely no reason that Obito got weaker in the last decade after his fight with Minato. If he wasn't out there capturing bijuu or messing around with the Akatsuki as Tobi then he's definitely at his hideout either training to get stronger and he's doing the final preparations to enact his plan.
You literally can't prove that. You could try to rationalize it but you'd have no way to apply any of the reasoning to Obito
@@sixfromtokyohe doesn’t get weaker you are slow… how was he able to counter blitz kcm2? What’s the difference between orange mask and white mask? He gained nothing from the rinnegan but the visual powers , all that speed is from the muscle
@@sixfromtokyo Nah you can't rationalize that he didn't get stronger. He was 14 ffs. Im off this channel you be so wrong on this.
Orange mask Obito is just too focused on being in the highlight. Him pulling up on Naruto is some cinematic shit
Sixs next video The Sanin vs the whole Otsuski clan lol love the channel bro looking forward to guy vs sauske
Does pulling somebody into the Kamui dimension really remove them from the fight? It certainly would in a 1v1 scenario, but in a group battle, wouldn't pulling someone into Kamui put Obito at a disadvantage? It would stop him from phasing through attacks, because he could be attacked in both dimensions at once.
You’re absolutely right. He definitely wouldn’t want to do that. He’d have to take them out the old fashioned way.
He can just go in the dimension too deal with the person on their own
@@gameuniverse5973 I get what you mean, but Obito has very few options to deal with Sanin level opponents without using Kamui. I mean, he has fire style jutsu and genjutsu, but that wouldn't do much against Sage Jiraiya.
@Darren Villanueva yeah remember how he had the bug guy and the yamaka guy in the kamui dimension yet when he went back there Sasuke and Karin where shown too not be near them and he then also kamui two times during and after the danzo fight yet the bug guy and the other one dint attack him during that
@@randomkiwibloop3661 that why he grabs Jiraiya before he gets too sage mode and puts him in kamui too deal with him first probably put him into genjutsu or just kill him
Boruchimaru blitzing Rinnegan Obito: Hello there, I heard that you stole ONE of my Hashirama cells.
I like how people think that everyone that’s still alive in boruto would blitz and fodderise any character in shippuden unless Orochimaru got some insane amp or feat that scales him above Rinnegan Obito, what feat has he accomplished that scales him to that level? Can’t remember.
@@norbit6780 Well I just ment it as a joke, but some people go really crazy about it and say Gara can solo Madara and stuff like that.
@@Gerbrandt0245 oh my bad lol and yea ikr. Some dude that made a video with Six thinks Gaara is physically stronger and faster than Kaguya lmfao
Even if Obito sucks the Sannin into the Kamui dimension, they can just reverse summon jutsu out of the Kamui dimension using their animal summons?
Out of character, we don’t even know that’s a possibility and Obito would still win via bfr
@@yunotheactivist49 out of character lmao what? We know for a fact orochimaru and jiraiya both use summonings proficiently.
@@yunotheactivist49 that is literally how jiraiya teleports in the pain fight
Cant it’s stated in the data books that only way in is Obitos eyes.
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I dont think the frog song would be able to hit because you guys remember when diedara uses c4 and the mini explosions came out sasuke was able to see the cloud of chakra and was able to evade them? If so 14 year old obito should be able to do the same since he gained control over full kurama that alone is impressive which should mean his mastery over his sharingan is insane and when ma and pa do there frog song i do believe from obitos perspective he might just see the chakra emitting from their mouths that should be his key to evacuate the area also frog song hits with sound and this is a powerful genjutsu but this thing actually hitting might just be impossible cause in kid naruto part1 baby sasuke was ablr to avoid a sound attack along with temari (manga kishimoto draws the sound waves coming to temari and she quickly reacts to it before it can hit her) so with this obito should be avoiding frog song thats what i think atleast
Well this would be assuming that obitos eyes could see things even madaras rinngan can’t. Pain wasn’t able to see the frog song so I doubt obito would be able to.
I would think obito hearing two toads singing would mean somethings up so he would just dipset
so i know its a stomp, but I would love to see a breakdown of Jiriyah vs Kashin Koji. I have a feeling that hes not gone from boruto yet, but until we see more of Koji, I think it would be a good fight (even if it is just a brutalization) to see Pervy Sage vs Chad Android Guy
Koji would definitely stomp I love me some Jiraya but Koji is definitely on a whole different level
Man you have some hazy memory. Orochimaru was playing with 4 Tails Naruto. And he was doing it without almost any jutsus since his arms were sealed away by the Death Reaper.
I think the statement could be taken that way, but its contradicted by the fact that Obito could control those Bijuu and still had plenty of chakra to fight KCM2 Naruto, Guy, Lakashi, and Bee with no real issue till the Kamui connection. Which isnt a chakra feat its a hacks feat along with the Rinnegan. Its hacks not increasing your chakra pool.
Obito also isnt known to the world at the time and he is considered dead too.
Pretty sure it did the opposite for Obito it stated If it not your eye on that dojustu it way more straining and a Rinnegan itself takes Charkra too maintain so Obito had a double negative with the Rinnegan which you would think why dint he use the preta when he stated he could use the human path
Lakashi. ? Lmao
@@OrangeMunchkinCat what punctuation is". ?"? Since you want to knit pick
I was calling cap on first about jaraiya having to turn on an office sensory abilities but then I remembered when he was gathered in nature energy he threw up this bubble shield thingy that let him be able to sense the invisible lizard thing in the rain village.
People really sleep on Orochimaru… No mention of him:
Absorbing kabuto and gaining the powers of the sound five along with his dragon sage mode
Reanimation was not mentioned at all let alone the fact that he now has access to a much more potent version of it when he already proved capable of reviving hokage 1-3 casually
He also absorbed white Zetsu which gives him amped strength and durability as well as the ability to use wood style.
We’ve never really seen him go all out, only casually slapping around the four tails and fighting the third Who was stated to be the strongest kage with none of those advantages on top of a bunch of nerfs like:
being on the verge of death due to having an expiring body
Having just used a bunch of chakra from infiltrating the village
Holding back because of his feelings for the third.
Also sucking him into the kamui dimension would not even defeat him because he can easily just respawn somewhere else like he always does
That’s what I’m saying I feel like Orochimaru got severely slept on here
U fucking understand thank u
He would also have juho,Suigetsu and karin
@@kevingeneral8581 yeah bro even I forgot about that lol
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sage mode precog definitely doesn’t mean you can’t be caught off guard, similar to madara getting took out when he had six paths sage mode did he not?
Kashin koji had sage mode but still got bodied by Isshiki pillars
Yeah
@@gameuniverse5973 Well, in that scenario Isshiki's ability just flat out blitzed Koji's precog.
obito blitzes them into oblivion
How is this even a question someone asks in the first place, I’m pretty sure 14 year old Obito could beat Jiraya and Tsunade especially if they’re caught off guard
How could Obito win?
@@TheBigExclusive Obito is the same guy who made Minato think he was Madara at age 14 and his teleportation is so fast that it impresses Minato lmao he stomps the sannin.
@@norbit6780 What exactly is Obito gonna do to the Sannin? Suck them into the Kamui dimension? They can just reverse summon jutsu themselves out of it.
@@TheBigExclusive obito has a fire style jutsu that’s bigger than the Juubi and matches Madara in terms of size, the fire vortex is stated to be inescapable so if one of the Sannin are trapped in it’s over, the reason why it didn’t do anything to Team Naruto is because Naruto literally had the strongest Tailed beast at his disposal which deflected the flames. His taijutsu is insane since even whilst holding back he was manhandling War arc Kakashi who was able to somewhat keep pace with Gates Guy. He also has izanagi so if they do manage to kill Obito somehow they’d have to fight him again, not to mention his Woodstyle which he used to obliterate a whole anbu village at the age of 13 so imagine what he’s capable of as an Adult, we’ve already seen his Woodstyle be strong enough to restrain KCM 2 Naruto so he’d have no problem catching the Sannin in a Woodstyle jutsu.
@@norbit6780 Regular Obito didn't use wood style as an adult. That was the Edo Madara that used wood style to restrain KCM Naruto.
six you sound like that boneless pizza meme, but i fw you
Reverse summoning by Oro or Jiraya. Ez counter kamui
Yup. I can't believe people are forgetting about this. Kamui doesn't work if you have a teleportation counter. War Arc Orochimaru even knows Reaper Death Seal too.
What can Non-Rinnegan Obito do to the Sannin? Suck them into Kamui? They can just reverse animal summon jutsu their way out of the Kamui dimension.
In fact, the Sannin and Orochimaru could probably figure out its weakness. One of the Sannin would let themselves get sucked in. Them when Obito uses Kamui to phase through attacks, then the Sannin in the Kamui will attack Obito's real body.
Imagine Obito getting a full force punch from Tsunade after he sucks her into the Kamui dimension and he tries to phase. Just like when Kakashi punched Obito but worse. Or when Naruto hit Obito in the face with a Rasengan.
Tsunade was a retired ninja and hadn’t fought in a long time and she didn’t know the extent to jiraiyas power at the time and jiraiya didn’t know either he just assumed that he could beat her which was why she had that reaction
orange mask could be weaker due to the damage in the minto fight
Huh?
Obito has hashi cells he regenerated lol
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Honestly; its super inconsistent the way the kage think they need the entire shinobi alliance to stop 7 Biju; I kinda feel like somethings gotta be a mistranslation or something.
It's stated the Raikage was stronger than Bee when he was introduced and it was basically shown by the way Sasuke's fights went against them. Bee is above 8 tails level because he IS the 8 tail's perfect jinchuriki and it's stated biju are stronger in a jinchuriki... And the Sannin are all Raikage level or above...
And each biju is stronger than the ones below them...
Sannin>Raikage>Bee>8 Tails>the 7 weaker Biju?
And well; that means Tsunade, Raikage, and Onoki who are the 3 strongest kage all scale above the 7 Biju Obito has...
And remember they had no idea about Kabuto; the edos; and the zetsu army at the time...
It was not just seven bijuu on their own it the gedo statue with seven bijuu inside of it combined there not as strong as that at all
@@gameuniverse5973 No, actually they did not include the gedo statue. Obito "Madara" never mentioned it... Nor did the kage.
Nor is the gedo statue really considered any sort of major source of power excluding using it to make the 10 tails; Which Obito couldn't do. If he could there'd be no 4th Ninja War... He'd just use infinite tsukuyomi and be done.
So stop with the headcanon.
It's not just 7 Biju. It's 7 Edo immortal tail beast Jinchuriki with each having one Rinengan eye each. With some of the Jinchuriki already Kage level. Like Yagura for example. There's also the Jedo Mazo. And Obito himself.
@@zmartusers3396 uh... they did not know that they were gonna revive the jinchuriki, nor did they expect Obito to have the rinnegan.
So no they argument doesn't stand, it only works in hindsight.
They had no idea Kabuto was gonna make edo tenseis or join Obito. They didn't know Obito would steal the rinnegan from Nagato's corpse either.
@@daymianhogue1634 He declared war. They wanted to be ready for anything. Stop using Headcanon. They even had to hide Naruto.
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There’s an issue I noticed while watching this vid you guys kinda just said tsunade would get sucked into kamui and gg while true in a 1 v 1 in a 1 v x Obito cannot do that.
Kamui doesn’t kill you it traps you in an alternate dimension so tsunade would just get trapped in his dimension and unless he sucks and cucks everyone what’s going to happen is he’s going to attempt to dodge an attack from Orochimaru or Jiraiya and get obliterated by tsunade from the inside. As a result she is a factor in any 3 v 1 against obito
He can control where he transports his body parts, he literally gives Kakashi a free fatal shot to remove the seal when he was fighting Naruto, guy and bee while Kakashi was trapped and later mentions it to Kakashi when they fight, also the bfr isn't even needed in the first place Obito can just speed blitz her consider his speed being comparable to kcm2 Naruto and bee and 6 gate guy who he fights at the same time.
@@_unmixed_6865 wrong he can’t control where he transport his body where ever he’s at in the real world is where his body will appear in the same area in his dimension. Think of it like an over lap of the real world so if obito went into his dimension in the leaf village he will still be in the leaf village he won’t just appear in like the sand village. Also you can’t speed blitz tsunade so easily due to her 100 healing jutsu she’s the most tankiest out of the three sannin. Btw proof that obito can’t decide where he can put his body is littered all throughout the fight he had against Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Guy such as characters and attacks being teleported into his dimension where he’s overlapping thus tagging him with the attacks
@@kingk.d.m4620 technically that is still a form of control over Kamui, also he can always Kamui into his weapon stash. Also obito has fought multiple opponents who both possessed a counter to Kamui yet he could still trap one and Kamui through the others attacks (both were S class nin probably relavant to hidan). When they were shown again they were beaten and extremely weak minded begging to be killed. This behaviour could be evidence that Obito puts his opponents in a genjutsu as they enter the dimension (Also shown against Kakashi albeit a much weaker and obvious genjutsu) with this in mind, tsunade won't be able to do anything from in side the Kamui dimension.
About the speed blitz it doesn't need to kill her just immobilizer I'm sure he could find a way to brake her ankles or something.
@@kingk.d.m4620 it's been a. While since I've been In a debate I'm excited to see how this ends. I'll admit the first point was definitely a half point for you but I do think my rebuttal was enough to tie it. I'm excited to receive your opinion on the second point though
the sannin stalemated hanzo. hanzo was killed by pain. pain took orders from obito. Usually I'm not an A>B>C type guy in power scaling but in this case I do think Obito casually fucks with the sannin. his sharingan is too hax.
Imperfect Sage Mode Jiraiya doesn't seem to have sensory because he fail to react to Asura Path and the Animal Path that stab him through his chest area before collapsing. He got damage twice while in Sage Mode and full aware of his surroundings. He also seem to depend on the 2 toads on his shoulder to watch his backside especially in the scan where Pa drop a smoke bomb to hide Jiraiya before the path hit him which further indicates lack of sensory capability. Feats indicates perfect Sage Mode like Naruto, Kabuto and Hashirama can sense stuff.
Kabuto actually isn’t a perfect sage if he was he wouldn’t take on all of those snake traits
@@user-ov4hu3ir7h yea he is a perfect sage lmao. You can’t be a imperfect snake sage due to the methods of getting sage mode at ryuchi cave . The great snake sage bites and injects nature energy into a person and if their body can handle it , they get trained , if not the snakes eat their unstable body instantly on the spot as opposed to the toads at mt.myoboku who will go out their way to help people maintain sage mode even if they can’t perfectly master it (ex:Jiraiya, or naruto before he mastered it). Orochimaru could’ve been a perfect sage , but his body switching to weaker bodies for immortality made sage mode unuseable for him but he still had some sage chakra (which he reinforced into his curse marks) kabutos appearance is different because of all the lab experiments he did on himself , along with taking in jugos dna, he’s probably going through sage transformation like jugo , sasuke , and the sound 4 did when using their curse marks and since sage transformation from jugos clan dna specifically has the user passively absorb nature energy passively that’s most likely what’s happening . He’s going through sage transformation while also using sage mode. Outside of the little horns on his head and the grey skin ( same grey skin that sasuke gained when he used his curse mark v2, which is sage transformation) everything about kabuto is the same outside of his extra snake limb that he got from experiments
@@meetthemoo225 it’s literally stated that to be a perfect stage you have to take on the whole animal features other than the eyes
@@user-ov4hu3ir7h yea stated by mt.myoboku toads for THEIR sage mode , it’s also stated that if people who train at mt myoboku and can’t handle nature energy they automatically turn into frog statues but that isn’t the same case for ryuchi cave obviously, maybe because they’re 🤔 different 😳🤯
@@meetthemoo225 no they don’t automatically work differently Kabuto is not a perfect sage but miski from Boruto is clearly a lot closer to a perfect sage
Interesting video never seen anyone cover this
How does Kamui's dimension work in a combat sense? Does Obito just leave you on one of the prism platforms so you starve to death, if he has no further use for you? Or does he simply drop you into the void? I know the only convenient way in and out seems to be Obito's eyes, but I do wonder how some of the more ingenuitive Shinobi would deal with being stuck inside the dimension, given they weren't killed right away and the plot required escape.
the only way in or out of his dimension is kamui, so if the plot demanded their escape it would have to be kakashi rescuing them, or someone taking obito's eyes
@@leakybumhole Makes sense. I assumed none of the characters would be able to “Buu scream” their way-out haha.
Edit: The whole “Plot demands it” thing makes me wonder if characters like Orochimaru, Danzo, Amado, etc. Would have the means to replicate Obito’s eyes for said function, even if it was from a simple “Strand of hair.”
@@goodmusicofthegoodkind honestly probably Amado dude made a whole dojustu and made a dude who can hurt other people by just hurting him
@@goodmusicofthegoodkind shin is the only char who has a kinda kamui thing with the whole little creature that can warp people
@@gameuniverse5973 Yeah Amado seems to be pretty crazy, next level intelligence. Kabuto is a bit underrated IMO, would probably be a pretty dangerous guy if he had gotten his hands on even one of Obito’s eyes.
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For the second part with the rain village if Jiraiya caught Orange Mask with Frog Song couldn’t Obito just cast Izanagi and then body him?
And he has a whole ass gallery of Sharingans.
No because Itachi couldn't break out of the Sound Genjutsu when he was fighting Kabuto. He needed Sasuke's help to break free of it. And Itachi is a Grand Master of Genjutsu and far better than Obito.
@@TheBigExclusive I don't disagree with this but if he can perform Izanagi mid air while phasing through Konan's paper bombs, he certainly can while under Genjutsu. Kishimoto made him to OP. Plus his durability is insane af.
Anyone claiming yellow mask obito is above OM should not be taken seriously
I don’t like the YM > OM arguments, hell I got some arguments for OM > but either way I think he can just blitz and clap all 3 before they can do anything
Honestly I love the YM > OM obito arguments, at least in arsenal wise
Orange mask Obito would take control of Kurama and no diff yellow mask Obito
Orange mask Obito is way stronger than yellow mask
There both the same level
@@Dj-fb8bs no theyre not
@Six whatchu mean not sure? teen obito was able to heavily press Minato he slaughter all three they'd have no info on kamui or any way to deal with it.
I can't believe people are forgetting about this. Kamui doesn't work if you have a teleportation counter. War Arc Orochimaru even knows Reaper Death Seal too.
What can Non-Rinnegan Obito do to the Sannin? Suck them into Kamui? They can just reverse animal summon jutsu their way out of the Kamui dimension.
In fact, the Sannin and Orochimaru could probably figure out its weakness. One of the Sannin would let themselves get sucked in. Them when Obito uses Kamui to phase through attacks, then the Sannin in the Kamui will attack Obito's real body.
Imagine Obito getting a full force punch from Tsunade after he sucks her into the Kamui dimension and he tries to phase. Just like when Kakashi punched Obito but worse. Or when Naruto hit Obito in the face with a Rasengan.
What can Obito do right?
Not like was able to use wood style to kill them all right?
Not like he could use a fire style that matched madara's in war arc right?
Not like he can speed blitz any of them with speed relative to minato right?
Not like he has one of the strongest genjutsu right?
@@vatsalsrivastav5195 -
1. Orange Mask Obito didn't even use wood style as an adult.
2. Jiraiya could probably counter the fire style with his Toad Fire style.
3. Obito isn't that fast. Kakashi, Guy, Naruto, and Bee could keep up with White Mask Obito.
And Orange Mask Obito lost an arm while fighting Danzo's Jounin guards.
4. I question if Obito is better at Genjutsu or not. Itachi is better at Genjutsu in my opinion.
Plus Obito would be fighting 3 Sannin at once. They would be covering for eachother. Just like the Kage battle. Even if he tags one with Genjutsu, the other 2 will release the Genjutsu.
5. War Arc Orochimaru knows how to perform Reaper Death Seal. If he Orochimaru were desperate, he could just suck out Obito's soul.
@@TheBigExclusive
1.he didn't use wood style because he didn't need to.( Seriously when do you see orange mask Obito go all out)
2.bee wasn't keeping up ( he never states he can't keep up but closely looking at fight you can see he was slower), KCM Naruto was slower than Obito in the fight there are multiple seens where Naruto is shown to be physically weaker and slower. Kakashi was plot buffed in war arc and Obito lost to kakshi on purpose (it's like saying Itachi is slower than sasuke)
3. Obito didn't lose an arm in fight he broke it himself to avoid infection from spreading you are saying it as if guard broke his arm.
4. Reaper death seal user needs to be strong enough to seal away someone Obito is physically stronger than orochimaru
5. Itachi has better genjutsu in terms of showing illusion or a painful genjutsu while Obito has better genjutsu in terms of controlling others
@@vatsalsrivastav5195 for real he can stay intangible and kill them by fighting them
@@TheBigExclusive you saying that Naruto guy bee and Kakashi from the world work being able to keep up with him is supposed to disprove his speed but all of those characters were faster than the Sanin
With him not capturing Naruto when he's sleeping. I think somewhere it's stated that the Statue can't handle Kurama until it has all of the prior tailed beasts. I think, it could just be head cannon. And we all know holding Naruto as a hostage for any amount of time. Isnt good 😂 His Talk No Jutsu is too OP
obtio negs everything
In my opinion yes they could if they were prepared properly
Between having to out last Tsunade/Orochimaru plus dealing with jiriya’s Arsenal on ninjustu I don’t personally think he wins.
Me: A new channel! Let’s gooooo!
Sannin vs Obito?
Me: seems pretty clear but I’m gonna love hearing what y’all got to say. Plus I love that it’s original.
Y’all: There will be time traveling.
Me: … okay? I guess.. sure.
Y’all: Minato won’t be in it!
Me: Why… why would he be?
Y’all: Pain will-
Me: Pain??? You know what… it’s time to go.
P.S I don’t know if y’all go over this but The Sannin got smacked up in a 3v1 against Hanzo. Obito is overkill
Obito obliterates them combined. This fight is more of a grown adult vs 3 toddlers
Explain? Because I disagree with almost all points in this video.
@@TheBigExclusive explain? If we go with 14 year old obito. 14 year old obito is the same dude who’s genjutsu powers is strong enough to genjutsu the full power 9 tails with just tomoe sharingan.
Just 50% 4 tails version 2 of that 9 tails almost killed jiraya, orochimaru couldn’t even pierce its skin with his strongest jutsu.
So obito with the kurama wins. Even if we don’t give him that…..
You could say obito grew stronger before he could do this but obito was able to genjutsu a perfect jinjuriki for 4 years. Jinjuriki are said to be immune to genjutsu. Bee and Naruto being the big fat evidence.
Bee easily breaks out of sasuke genjutsu with gyuuki help.
Naruto fights multiple sharingan users and they never thought of genjutsu.
@@Zeno1781 Orochimaru had no arms when he fought Naruto and was dying hello? he could have been the 4th Hokage ez
@@Zeno1781 jiraiya was fighting Naruto the last person he would want to kill. jiraiya became depressed for decades because he wasn't there to save his students you think he can kill one over a seal malfunction he obviously had a huge mental nerf
@@law244 again that was his strongest jutsu
Backed up by multiple sources and it still couldn’t pierce his skin
Orochimaru didnt struggle with the 4 tails , he literally played with him the whole time. Id still say that obito smacks all of them
You're underestimating orochimaru. Sure he had problems with 4tails Naruto but he also barely had access to jutus as his arms were sealed by the third hokage
he was playing with 4 tails naruto. he wasn’t trying to kill him.
Orochimaru didn't Even have any arms. He couldnt use most of his jutsu. They were sealed away.
@@godoftune the strongest jutsu at that point he had couldn’t even pierce Naruto skin. Why do u think even if he had hands that he would win
@@Zeno1781 Maybe because he casually fodderized Zetsu Yamato who was casually murdering the entire shinobi alliance after their amps about five seconds after he came back with his full strength?
Yes I bet Orochimaru full power is maybe equal to six tails Naruto.
Honestly, I was half expecting Kashi Kojin to get brought up since it's Jiraiya's clone, but then again, it'd be like him on a team with War Arc Orochimaru and Tsunade, which he is carrying without even going sage mode. I will say, them against White Masked Obito and the jinchuriki is a fairer fight since Kashi Kojin throws hands with people with stronger taijutsu and base Jutsu as he has all of Jiraiya's techniques and summonings, but stronger. Then he also has the Flames that can't be absorbed, then also Sage Mode
I think Koji can solo white mask Obito with the jinchuriki in base if not in sage mode
I don't see how orange mask Obito could have gotten weaker, there isn't anything to support that either. I personally think that he put up a goofy persona to trick everyone and therefore is still strong.
OM Obito is vastly superior to YM Obito in both physical stats and just battle prowess in general.
aye six and kietsu collab is a W
Tsunade is just tough to scale cuz she’s as strong as the plot needs her to be. She goes from getting embarrassed by kabuto in part 1, to surviving getting stabbed by madara’s perfect susano’o in the war arc 😂
@@TheLyingFigure Tsunade was rusty with lack of practice, drinking gambling and traumatised since 3 decades.
She still was able to overpower Kabuto and force him to use her Blood Phobia against her.
Also remember kabuto used 3 Soldier pills to enhance his speed to keep up with 50 years old rusty Tsunade.
So she should not be underestimated .
“ Lol “ that’s your answer 💯
Why not just put them on an even playing field and say Obito vs Sannin instead of putting the Sannin in scenarios where Obito fought. Its already a made up situation but it far more even if 1 eye Obito goes against the Sannin with no help than if he has any tailed beasts. The difference being a one sided slap vs a nuanced fight where you actually have to look at the abilities of those present in the fight.
ikr lmao the time travel shit is so unnecessary and nah its not a fair fight at all, the Sannin get negged unless Orochimaru has his war arc edos to then which Obito would get negged
@@norbit6780 they do it for Madara all the time too. Like “could X beat Madara?”, oh thats an interesting matchup if you really look at the skil-“Now we all know Madara has the full 9-tails” …….
great vid, give us some boruto characters vs shippuden characters matchups, like idk sarada vs danzo or some dum shit idk
I think this fight is a lot closer (in each scenario) than we think. Raikage is faster than Tsunade, but Tsunade in their fight against Madara was fast enough to force him to react to things and was fast enough herself to not be totally useless against him and actually fight. Clearly he’s stronger here but my point is that Madara has relative speed and reaction to the 5 kage, at least in the way that he’s not so far out of their dimension of power where he’s just incomprehensible to them. If Madara could keep up with Obito (community consensus being he’d just win), then I think it’s fair to say the Sannin could, and Minato is clearly faster than Madara.
Then we have the fact that all three Sannin have access to environmental control that would force Obito to use kamui. Swamp, frogs throat, snake swarm, Tsunade creating intraversable terrain by punching the ground. There’s a lot of area control here that if Obito becomes tangible in the wrong spot, he’s forced to use kamui again to get out. This could easily turn into a battle of attrition against three people who have pretty good sized chakra pools.
I think the matchup favors Obito, but I think it’s also disingenuous to say that the Sannin are so outclassed in speed and reactions that they would have zero options to defend themselves while working together. Minato did it solo, but he beat Obito (again, community thinks he “negative difficulty” beat Obito, which I think is untrue but if you think that way then it gives more credence to the Sannin), and even then how often have we really seen Orochimaru not lose because he had to be written into arrogance, or Jiraiya losing to someone contentious to Obito (Pain) with zero intel?
So yeah Obito wins most scenarios but not so badly he just decides to run up on them and he’s so fast they can’t even react to being touched
Madara was playing so...
@@Anonymous-pf1mb He was playing until he used the majestic Sussano. How hard would he have to go to beat Obito?
@@GodKiller97 who you talking about? i said Madara was playing around with the gokage thats why Tsunade was able to hit him. he wasnt serious
@@Anonymous-pf1mb my response went over your head
Pain ain’t contentious with Obito at all, Obito refers to Pain as an underling and subordinate which are terms used to undermine someone’s rank or tier. Obito was the true leader of the Akautski for a reason, Pain even says that Obitos’s orders are an inference to his true plans and he knows not to disobey him otherwise he’d get his ass kicked. Minato even flat out tells Naruto that Obito is a much bigger threat than Pain and that he needs to master the 9 Tails chakra to even stand a chance against the 14 year old obito that he fought, these are Minatos words not mine. Obito>>Pain>> any of the Sannin.
great vid but I respectfully disagree with the frog song argument only because I believe it was stated the paths of pain don’t have the rinnegan it’s jus projected into there eyes so they shouldn’t have immunity to genjutsu anyway and it would probably be a lot easier for nagato to jus let those pains go and deal with jiraya right then seeing as tho he still had the stronger paths but still great vid my guy
Honestly, Obito was trolling after he lost to Minato. Man could've went around doodle-bopping jinchiruki while he gathered a team.
I don't think he was lazy though, he just saw a good plotline forming and decided to watch events play out. After a while he realized, "wait a second, I could fit into this story perfectly."
Yo keep it up six your vids bomb
Obito easily destroys the sannin.
How about Team 7 from different periods vs. different Akatsuki Members/Teams for a video idea
Sannin are a bit overrated
Yeah thought the Same only orochimaru with the Edo tensei could be really Hard to defeat Tsunade is Not weak we saw what she can do to Madara and jiraya with his inperferct sage Mode that all can damage Obito but Never defeat
Especiallu Jiraiya
@@vulxh oh I agree wholeheartedly
Thumbnail is clean af
You could argue Obito can seem to have power over Pain because he can take away Nagato at anytime, not that he could take on the paths of Pain.
Sannin vs 5 Kage with Danzo could be an interesting video
5 kage win
only way I see the sannin winning is orochi and tsunade stalling and protecting sage jir until frog song comes out. they would be pretty good at stalling, and seeing as obito has to solidify to attack they COULD pull it off I think
edo. tensei. 🤨
@@godoftune ok but then that should include the edo characters in the vs
Obito actually runs through them faster than madara❗️
Pain and Konan only listen to Obito because they think he's Madara. As you've seen when Obito fought Konan she almost beat him the only reason he survived is Isanagi.
I mean she had hella prep to set up 600 billion paper bombs
@@alabamamanofficial4817 Yes she had prep but she did this alone so why shouldn't it count?
Amazing vid, I was wondering what ur thoughts are about Edo Nagato and Edo Itachi vs The 5 Kage r
Jiraiya specifically said that he was not trying to hurt Naruto when he went into 4 tales state and he managed to suppress him with out hurting naruto
It's possible to scale all the sannin in base as they are all relative to base Minato. As in the panel where Hiruzen says he doesn't know if he could defeat Orochimaru he mentions after Anko says if Minato was here he could that that was years ago. It's also been stated that Jirayia was supposed to succeed Hiruzen not Minato meaning that it was thought he would be as good a Hokage or better than Minato. Jirayia stated he regrets he couldn't save Minato or Hiruzen essentially stating that had he been there Orochimaru and Obito would've failed. Minato even states that he knows no one who is as splendid as Jirayia. It's also possible that even with the nine tails Obito could be stopped as Jirayia is capable of performing many of the feats of Minato.
I highly disagree in some regard, now some feats as though he has similar jutsu, I agree there they share a similar arsenal, but in terms of stats it's not implied, in fact it's implied minato is way superior to jiraiya, base jiraiya at least idk about sage mode, since this fight between minato and obito is a speed/ space time ninjutsu battle, then you'd still have to prove that jiraiya scales to minato in speed and not just oh jiraiya can do some of the things minato can, so he scales to minato, that's not how it works, but I do like the statements you went for, however the one where jiraiya says he COULDN'T save his student should just be taken as jiraiya didn't think he was strong enough to save his student, there's another interpretation that maybe he could if he was there, which is possible, however the scaling drastically implies otherwise.
@Momo the one elaborate on how it's implied that base Minato is superior to base Jirayia overall the statements that I've pulled say otherwise. However, oversights happen the only things that Minato has stated to essentially surpass him in by default is speed and talent overall many statements seem to support that overall Jirayia is superior and by default the other sannin. As for him not being able to save Hiruzen and Minato it seems more so as to not being there rather than not strong enough. Although it could be implied through a bit of a stretch as if Jirayia brought down Orochimaru or brought him back he would've likely been in the leaf to help Minato and Hiruzen should the sand have decided to act even without Orochimaru him not doing so could be implied to mean he just wasn't strong enough could be extended to him not being able to get to Hiruzen as well.
What can Non-Rinnegan Obito do to the Sannin? Suck them into Kamui? They can just reverse animal summon jutsu their way out of the Kamui dimension.
In fact, the Sannin working together could probably figure out Kamui's weakness. One of the Sannin would let themselves get sucked in. Them when Obito uses Kamui to phase through attacks, then the Sannin in the Kamui will attack Obito's real body.
Imagine Obito getting a full force punch from Tsunade after he sucks her into the Kamui dimension and he tries to phase. Just like when Kakashi punched Obito but worse. Or when Naruto hit Obito in the face with a Rasengan.
Orochi's Great White Snake form should've been from failing to control snake sage mode, but they missed a great opportunity.
I don't know how to get people to understand that orochimaru is a beast especially boruto orochimaru
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