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@@Guest-x8n pain can summon a infinite dog that can morph into an army if need be, chibaku tensei, shinra tensei whats crazy is if itachi joins all of them combined fail to live another day, even if pain teams up with the sanin
What I have to say, is that tsunade with katsyuya with stood almighty push that destroyed the entire village, and she is the sole reason why all the people are alive still and directly after that pain couldn’t even operate for five minutes couldn’t do no almighty push almighty pull nothing so there’s that all of the Shinobi in the village at that time weren’t stronger than Jirayah or , orochiMaru Jirayah, when he thought the four tails did not fight, the four tails in sage mode, which is a significant power boost and amp, and he wasn’t fighting him with killer intention orochiMaru was in a weak, dying decrepit body, and did not have access to his full power when he was fighting the four tails, and u can make the arguement that tsunade could knock Naruto in the four tail out completely if not obliterate him completely given the fact that sasuke kirin that destroyed an entire mountain didn’t crack itachis susanno and she blew apart some of Madara Susanno and the fact that she has the hundred healings ability. On top of Jeriah, having his sage mode with his genjutsu to body all six pains, orochiMaru was defeated by bloodlust Itachi waiting for him. And I’m not even bringing up the fact that orochimaru can just bring up dead bodies that are immortal to fight on the battlefield for him against pain. Y’all are slandering the three sanin like crazy if you don’t can’t think of win conditions like y’all doing for pain. they can defeat the path of pain together like what are y’all even talking about one on one sure but all three naw
While it doesn’t effect the end outcome really, I do think it was a mistake to not include the fact that the orochimaru who fought 4 tails naruto still couldn’t use most his jutsu and his body was nearing its end. This makes his fight against naruto vastly more impressive then jirya as
Oroshimaru with both hands would have easily taken care of Naruto. Even Sasuke knew that if it wasn’t because of Oroshimaru’s handicap, he wouldn’t have been able to defeat him. Think about it, if Oroshimaru was able to use his justu for the whole show + his immortality, he’d be completely unstoppable. He would have also easily defeated Sasuke and took over his body, while having the knowledge to produce a Rinnegan. It would’ve been a wrap for everyone, there’s a reason why they needed to severely nerf him.
@@Khan-rz8qihow would he get a rinnegan... and dont u dare say becuz its sasuke's body when all he talked about was sharingans. He has never hinted at it evolving past that
@@Rck-vert just seeing how Tsunade did in the war arch tells me if she was there with her 100 healings and if Orochimaru was there and healthy they might be able to get it done. Jiriya was in the rain village so he was at a disadvantage from the start. But if he had people with him covering his back might be a different story.
About the 4th tails statements... You completely neglected to mention Orochi still didn't have his arms at that point, which completely nerfed him (unless you're actually using no-arms Orochi to scale, who is a lot weaker than the Orochi who took on Hiruzen). And, Jiraiya was slightly off-guard when he took that initial attack. Completely changes the scaling lol
Jiraiya was off guard, had no intent to kill/badly injure and was trying to seal the nine tails with tags. He was fighting in a heavily disadvantaged state and still ‘won’. They are really exaggerating the 4 tails as an Anti-feat. I wouldn’t say the scale to 8 tails by any stretch but I can’t definitely see them holding their own vs 6 tails if they had to with intent to kill/healthy bodies.
You're right, Orochimaru's lack of arms definitely had an impact on his power during that encounter. And Jiraiya being caught off-guard changes things up too.
Glad pain is getting the respect he deserves after the disrespect he got cause of the nagato vs itachi era. Glad to see ThunderGod collabing with you, never thought id see him at this point when i first started watching him. 😮
They're a few things that I have to point out. 1. Tsunade is not going to spend that much chakra on summoning Katsuyu. The 2 time she used up all her chakra was because she was trying to save all the leaf village, and shinobi alliance. There's only 3 things that they will need Katsuyu for. 1 Information hub: All the Katsuyu do share one mind, so she can relay all of Pain strength and weakness. And if any of the other 2 have an idea or plan they could just inform Katsuyu. 2 Healing: The only person that she needs to heal is Jiraiya. Orochimaru already has himself a healing factor, and Tsunade is Tsunade. 3 Attack: You can make a good argument that Pain cannot absorb her acid, because it is organic. 2. Orochimaru and Tsunade cannot be put down by anything that Pain does besides the blackhole. Tsunade can beat any of his summons with a good hit besides the dog, and anything that they do to her is going to be on the same level as what Madara does to her if not least. Orochimaru is just a cockroach that can't be killed, and don't forget the 3 undying bodies that he has, the edo tensei. 3. Jiraiya's main goal is to kill the chameleon then the main body of Pain. Orochimaru and Tsunade are going to survive fighting the Pain by themselves. Tsunade is still going to have a large portion of her chakra because the only person she has to heal is Jiraiya, and besides for the blackhole there are no moves that Pain has that can take down Orochimaru. Besides for the blackhole, the fight is going to be more 50/50 leaning on the Pain side. With the blackhole, Pain is going to win.
Tsundade and orochimaru are susceptible to chakra drain and soul rip. If they get stabbed by chakra rods they can be paralyzed. If the fight is on neutral territory pain can clap his hands and use chubaku tensei which takes near full ninetails transformation to break and 4 tails can body jiraiya.
I agree with you that the fight would be 50/50 only because Chibaku Tensei musn't be used its insta gg if it's used. However, they kinda lowballed the Sannin a bit I mean I'm still siding with Pain here but the great three we're still undermined.
What also must be taken into context is that Jiraiya had no idea what pain was capable of. The whole fight was him trying to figure out what was going on. Its like fighting an enemy thats weaker than you (not saying pain is weaker than Jiraiya), ut while you are expensing all of your energy and showing your tricks, they just keep regenerating health back. This is a visualization of why I think Jiraiya was concerned about his progress against the initial 3 pains. Not many can claim to have faced a rinnengan user. Dud had no idea what the f was going on
Yeah that's what people keep forgetting that this was more of a recon mission than a fight and it was a three on one! Each of those three each had rinnegan! Rinnegan is strong enough to boost people to kage level bare minimum in capabilities and overall strength and he still won't despite being unsure of himself!😂 Like tf, this man went up against three people who are your level or above and still won!
@@lavellelee5734 Indeed. Jiraiya is a beast, and should not be slept on. Sure, he may not be the most formidable of the non-six paths characters, but he is a dangerous threat to anyone before Madara showed up. Pain stated in the manga that he sensed a dangerous chakra in the rain village when Jiraiya was infiltrating the rain village.
@@donovan4222 Its hard to say, because of how broad the term “kage level” is. Which kage are we using as a baseline? Because Minato was very close to Hashirama level if not there, and we all know thats way out of pains league. Pain was clearly a step higher than Jiraiya, but maybe like a half step. Jiraiya was still dangerous enough to pose a serious threat.
@@sagearmaggedon7307insane jiraiya overhyping. Jiraiya fighting three on one doesn't mean anything if jiraiya fought deva path one on one he would still get rekt. Prolly wouldn't even be able to go sennin mode as it require walking around ten minutes folding his hands and not doing any jutsu. Deva path destroyed the whole konoha, fought kyuubi up to 8 tails, defeated sennin mode naruto (better sennin mode than jiraiya), killed toads, in the end he barely lost due to insane chakra usage and Naruto plot armor. Not even mentioning he rekt orochimaru in a flashback. How would jiraiya take this guy😂 Btw nope jiraiya wasn't a threat before madara. Minato, tobi, pain, itachi, sennin kabuto, killer bee, kcm1 naruto, ems sasuke all would easily destroy him. You guys are just wanna overhype this guy because you like him. İ'm sorry, you crying when he died doesn't mean he is a very strong character.
The sanin together are 3 times stronger than the sum of their parts. It’s referring to their ability to cover each other’s weaknesses and boost each other strength.
I mean they all use their boss summons in battle which literally makes their numbers go from 3 to 6. How everyone that I’ve ever seen talk about that quote miss that is beyond me. Pain still bulldozes.
23:16 doesn't matter ma and pa blitzed and one shotted it. Jiraiya probably scales to them too since Jiraiya's hair needles is the fastest sage attack in databook 3. And Jiraiya still thinks he can beat the animal path in a 1 v 1. So sage jiraiya's movements scale too ma And pa's attack
I still think Nagato was referring to Jiraiya finding his real body. Jiraiya has advance sneaking techniques and is just a slippery dude. Orochimaru on paper would seem like more suited for this type of stuff, but Jiraiya has more espionage feats. Including as Kashin Koji. Thinking about it. You probably could have discussed Alt Wincons where instead Jiraiya and Orochimaru look for the original Pain.
@@gameuniverse5973 Maybe, assuming Nagato was not assassinated before that. However, if the real body is summoned, Nagato will be taken out of his machine which made him able to control the separate bodies. Now, if this Nagato is able to absorb chakra and return to his healthy state then he would definitely win because edo Nagato was able to go even with Naruto, B, and Itachi. However, if he doesn't, then he could because as an edo tensei, it was shown he could barely walk.
32:40 ma and pa are connected to jiraiya so they'd also be pulling jiraiya in to. And he can just shoot a fire ball while he's being pulled in. Also tendo should at least be relative to jiraiya in speed. Nagato didn't just have tendo come in and solo at the end. And jiraiya was still able to escape and bring a path into his frog dimension. Zetsu also notes that the fight took awhile in the same chapter they say "jiraiya would have won if he knew our secret" and black zetsu's reason for why the fight took awhile was because pain was fighting jiraiya.
@@gameuniverse5973 pa didn't need to katsuyu did that for him. and when were they suprised. Tendo first uses his abilities against naruto in chapter 434
@@theonetrueedgelord3596 kakashi fighting tendo had no idea what he was doing and needed to figure out himself so that means when tendo showed up he dint even bother to use his abilities against Jiraiya with pa because pa told them all he knew about each path to Tsunade to tell the leaf
I just think that if jiraiya with no knowledge and no prep can take down 3 pain while they were surprise attacking him, then together with the rest of the sannin (who he works incredibly well with) they should stomp pain.
Jiraiya COULDN’T beat Pain. Beating the weaker paths took a gamble that almost didn’t work after they cornered all his attacks and outmatched him in Taijutsu. Orochimaru and Tsunade both admitted that they couldn’t stop Pain. The three of them would just get blown apart.
@@SuperPianogirl123 all you’ve essentially stated is that each of the sannin is weaker than pain individually, which no one is denying. The question is about them together as a cohesive unit.
I think its less that they cant beat pain but their chances of winning are probably closer to 30%, it all depends on how they target and how pain approaches the start of the fight. They have the moves that are fully capable swaying the battle in their favor, but even in the case that they win it wont be without casualties.
No. 1 shinra tensei from a MASSIVELY FATIGUED PAIN who had just spent hours demolishing the entire village, fighting everybody within the village, etc casually obliterated 3 massive Gamabunta level summons (INCLUDING BUNTA) and I quote "broke all their bones" and put them permanently out of commission for the fight. If you think that Jiraiya (who died to fucking rinnegan rods and the asura path's BARE HAND CRUSHING HIS THROAT CASUALLY WITH JUST PHYSICAL STRENGTH) is going to tank an attack that a much much more weakened version of pain used that ended in breaking the bones of Gamabunta and permanently incapacitating him, or Tsunade and Orochimaru are going to be able to tank an attack of that level and then instantly deal with 5 paths of pain, 1 of which can instantly end them if it so much as touches them by ripping their soul out, you're quite literally on drugs. Like SERIOUS DRUGS. They get neg diffed casually.
@@CorruptInsurgence i was being extremely generous with them going to at 30% if everything goes perfectly well. If the stars align and a frog song lands on enough of the correct pains they can win for example. That isnt likely to happen but they have some chance to pull off a win, however i dont think it is going to be the standard outcome of the battle. Pain might not start off going instantly for the kill either, in character he didnt just stomp his opponents out until later so there is a little wiggle room.
@@dragondrakage2402 Well using that logic everybody that isn’t simply jonin level has the tools to beat Pain??? Like I guess Kakashi also has the tools to beat Pain because kamui could affect the Paths and kill them. Also I guess base Naruto also has the tools to beat Pain because a rasenshuriken could destroy all the paths if it directly hits them with no resistance!? Do you see the irrelevance of claiming that they “have the tools to beat Pain”. They could literally never do anything against Pain because Pain isn’t going to just stand there and let them hit him. That’s just illogical.
If not for the sannin stalemating prime hanzo and Pain extreme diffing old and vastly rusty hanzo, i would agree pain slaps, but with just that, there is no logical argument that pain wins.
When the Sannin fought Hanzo none of them were on the peak of their power. And when Pain defeated Hanzo he wasnt either at the peak of his power, he was but a shadow of the warrior he used to be. 😂😂😂😂
Tbh I think that each of the Sannin are being considerably downplayed here, considering that parts of their kits are being ignored. Orochimaru's cursed sealing is no joke, and is used during the war to handle a guy who was evenly matching the 3rd Hokage who had infinite chakra reserves. Tsunade also has good terrain disruption and offensive medical ninjutsu techniques, while Jiraya's frog song is still a win-con.
Just like to correct you on one thing. Orochimaru in part one had already left the Alatsuki. Meaning he should at least know a little something about Pain. Especially considering it was losing to Pain that made him join the Akatsuki. I know this was a cutscene from storm generations that shows us this and you have used scenes from that game before to add to your point. The cutscenes from that game are considered cannon and I know that you leave it up in the air on what people think of that but it doesn't change the fact that Orochimaru was in the Akatsuki before part 1 and so he should have some intel on Pain at least. Even if you don't use Generations he should still have some intel on Pain. Not non...
But pain kept his abilities a secret, even from the other atkaski members. It’s a mistake to conclude he’d know the workings of pains abilities just because he was in the atkaski
Literally none of the members of the akatsuki besides konan and probably obito knew anything about pain. And the cutscenes from the game isn’t canon my guy . Regardless of what argument u try to make no version of orochimaru beside the boruto version is stronger or have a chance of beating pain
I can totally see Tsunade using her kick to break the ground and split the paths then Orochimaru using the gates as a triangle barrier to separate some paths and Jaraiya using either flaming toad oil or genjutsu to take out the few paths stuck inside the gates. After that, Orochimaru could use the snake tsunami thing to make the deva path use his jutsu & the Sanin use that chance to attack. This would also be a good chance for Jaraiya to use toad stomach and separate the deva path.
You forgot that their vision is linked and Pain is faster than all the sannin? He takes out Tsunade first then Jiraiya. The paths then gain up on Orochimaru. They ain’t winning.
@@DHworldwide185pain isn't faster than all the sannin 💀, jiraya literally blitzes the 3 paths that fight him, they could only react to him due to their shared vision
@@TheOtrebor19Pain literally fights and reacts to 6 tails V2 Naruto, none of the Sanin are as fast as that form of Naruto comparable to the Raikage in speed since Bee's V2 form is full power Raikage level.
The Sannin can win it just depends on how the fight goes. Jiraiya beat three Pains by himself with no intel. Tsunade can one shot all of the Pains and can tank every attack except the Human Path's soul steal. Orochimaru is the strongest Sannin with his hands unsealed. If they have intel ahead of time the Sannin definitely win. They will take out the healing Pain first and even if Jiraiya dies he will take out a couple pains before that. Tsunade and Orochimaru have enough healing and revival hax to outlast the rest of the Pains.
doesn't work, tendo pain is so much stronger than they are he straight up make your argument invalid, let me remind you, a tendo pain who can barely stand after defeating the entire konoha, fights sage naruto and 5 near bijuu level summons, then fights six tail naruto and used a jutsu so draining that it shortens an uzumaki's lifespan, was able to defeat a mental amped sage naruto, who without mental amp is stronger than any of the sanin
@@sexybeast161 Pain defeated Jirayja easily. Even if he defeated one of the corpses the one with the specific power can bring it back immediately. Tsunade couldnt do anything either. Orochimaru is good but he isnt massively better than Jirayja so his fate will be the same. I dont think fighting three at the same time would make that much of a difference. It would be like Zabuza fighting Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura.
people shit on Jiraiya just because he lost to pain as if pain was some low level fodder yet over look two details about the fight one J-man fought that battle with no info on pain he went in blind yet he took out three of them at the same time and took no damage doing so that's more impressive then the whole leaf with intel fighting pain as they had trouble dealing with one or two of them. Secondly J-man could have escaped that fight with his life he didn't have to stay there when he lost an arm he could have gone back to the leaf with the info he had but he wanted to make sure he was 100% right about pain and didn't want to skip any crucial intel that's why he gave up his life instead of fleeing he honestly went out a legend even his former student said as much
Funny thing by is Jiraiya could have survived that fight easily. Then he could have mastered Sage Mode and perfected it like Naruto. Easily would have got his armed repaired by Tsunade as well.
Yea they are like pain is smart so he will systematically target the Healer and jiraya and orochimaru who are both smart fighters will just not have a plan for that. Like if that was all it took to take down tbe sanin they wouldn't have been so legendary.
@@timercolen1586 yeah it seems like the plan for pain beating them factors in beating one person at a time. Killing the healer first is a super common strat and I think the sanin have been fighting together long enough for them to counter such an obvious tactic
The Tsunade that fought against Madara is no different from the Tsunade during the pain arc... she's the exact same strength, she didn't do any training or anything... and then Jiraija and Orochimaru scale directly to Tsunade, because they're all stated to be relative equals and a literal "rock, paper, scissors" counter to eachother... Sage Naruto is just ambiguously "stronger" than Jiraija which implies he could be anywhere from 1% stronger or more but nothing is ever suggested nor implied... so i think its safe to say that sage Naruto isn't even 2x stronger than sage Jiraija and nothing suggests otherwise.... Now the sannin are stated in data book to receive a 3x power amp when fighting together, this amp should easily make them each individually stronger than Sage Naruto... The legendary Sannin take the win 💯💯💯
Even if there “power” got 3x stronger when they fight together which it doesn’t. It’s not gonna make them individually stronger than sage Naruto because the hypothetical buff only applies when they fight together not “individually”. And it common sense that sage Naruto is stronger than the all three of them especially in a one on one fight even in a 3v1
@@Nobody55564 sage Naruto is just stated to have surpassed Jiraija... there's absolutely nothing that suggests he's multiple times stronger than Sage Jiraija... in all likelihood he's less than 2x stronger, especially considering his performance and battle tactics against pain which relied heavily on the rasenshuriken rather than Naruto just being significantly stronger than Jiraija...
Jiraiya didn't lose to the three paths of pain that were JUMPING him, he KILLED them and then the other three paths showed up, the Naraka path brought the first three back, and then all SIX of them JUMPED him...and Jiraiya still held his own. Mind you all of this was WITHOUT any kind of Intel or prior knowledge. Compare that to Naruto and everyone else who HAD info and prep time; Pain scraped ALL of them. Even Edo Nagato, who was WEAKER than he was while he was alive, folded a SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER version of Naruto than the one that "beat him"... and he had HELP this time. Had it not been for Itachi, the story would've ended right there. I don't disagree that Pain would probably win, I just think the Sannin (especially Jiraiya) are downplayed. They could definitely do it together
Considering Deva barely beat a old very rusty hanzo while the sannin in a weaker form stalemate prime hanzo in base, it's very arguable any of the sannin in base can win high diff( can be lower depending on which sannin u pick). Edo nagato would be stronger than the paths together but would be weaker than before he got crippled. Also we know from minato-kcm2 sage naruto scaling that the sannin should be above kcm1, who could sort of physically fight edo nagato.
This is true. The legendary Sanni are all relative in power. No one is stronger then the other. Orochimaru with reanimation justu, Lady Tsunade with 1000 healing justu and yes Jaryia with imperfect sage, ma and pa are all relative in power. So I pain can kill Jaryia he could be able to do the same to Orochimaru and Lady Tsunade.
@@Sign587 I mean yeah, anyone will get jumped fighting the six paths there’s multiple of them. That’s a bad argument. What? You wanted Pain to give Jiraiya a break. “Oh sorry man it seems like your arm is gone and you’re fatigued after using sage mode I’ll give you 10”
@@CasualCasimir that’s not what I’m saying Jiriaya was successfully able to put down the three paths of pain with medium difficulty but then was caught off guard and lost his arm, that’s when the six paths of pain fought him. When jiraiya was near death just lost an arm due to a suprise attack and hella fatigued with little chakra in sage mode I’m not saying that jiraiya could defeat the six paths of pain, no It’s prettty clear that he’s not a match but he could have done a lot more if he wasn’t near death and in the state he was when the six paths came. With two other Sannin by his side I’m sure they could maybe come out with a win aganist pain
Nagato has a long arrogance/naivity streak. He's the opposite of Itachi basically. Nagato isn't a naturally arrogant person but, his abilities prevented him from taking basic shinobi deception seriously and cost him dearly in multiple battles. Oro with prep time is a huge problem for Nagato if he has to worry about Jiraiya and Tsunade too.
@@heftymagic4814 Both Frog and Snake summoning contracts give their users access to reverse summoning. The toads can summon Jiraiya/Naruto and Sasuke (Orochimaru's student) showed that he can climb into a snake's mouth and reverse summon it faster than Deidara explosion. Even Tsunade can tank a point blank Shinra Tensei and she's the only Sannin who might not be able to reverse summon out of Chibaku Tensei. She could probably just tank it while Oro and Jiraiya just outsmart Nagato. Sorry, bro but, Nagato (especially the Pain version) melts like snowflake once you've seen all of his tricks.
@@heftymagic4814 Also, Oro can put sage energy inside any of the Pain bodies with just a snake bite thru his curse seals. You kind of have to forget ALL Sannin haxx and dickride Nagato to believe that this fight is in any way easy.
@@similaritiesendhereOrochimaru literally couldn’t even touch Pain. He already tried to sneak attack him and Pain one shot him. Jiraiya would get massacred and even with Tsunade and Orochimaru being immortal, they would either die or be sealed in chibaku tensei. Tsunade doesn’t even attempt to dodge, so she would get stabbed by the rods and get paralyzed and removed from the fight that way.
@@SuperPianogirl123 Oro only tried once with no intel and tanked a point blank shinra tensei. Ask yourself, what Edo Tensei bodies did Oro already have before joining Akatsuki? Also, Oro didn't know that the Deva Path was just a puppet body. That means he was going after the body and the eyes. It also means that Oro was trying to place a cursed seal on the Deva Path. Oro would've accidentally discovered Pain's weakness to nature energy within his first few moves.
I think something people forget is that we never see any of the 3 Sannin at their peak and when we first meet them Tsunade and Jiraiya are in their 50's so they are well past their prime and getting weaker as time goes on. Jiraiya was stated to be the most powerful ninja of his generation. This is even stated in the Manga that in his fight against Orochimaru during the Chunin exams Hiruzen Sarutobi was only a fraction of what he was in his younger days. Main point i'm trying to make is that if you can imagine how powerful they are now imagine how powerful they were in their prime.
@@SuperPianogirl123 yes, but at the time of his fight with Orochimaru he was weakened from poison and the first time they fought he saw Orochimaru as his best friend so wasn't going full out on him. On the Tsunade thing he's in love with her and would never be able to go full out on her. Kisame is stated to be one of the most powerful members of the Akatsuki in terns of his Chakra and he stated that he didn't think that he could land a blow on Jiraiya and Itachi stated that he thought that if he and Jiraiya fought that either they would both die or seriously injure each other.
@@mentalist7772 Jiraiya literally says that Orochimaru was a prodigy and Hiruzen believed that Orochimaru could only be stopped by Minato. Itachi said that Jiraiya was stronger because he didn’t want to fight and wanted to convince Kisame to run. Itachi literally one shot Orochimaru twice, once while he was dying and Orochimaru was in his strongest form. Then EMS Sasuke was only barely equal to Itachi despite it being said that Sasuke had surpassed the Sannin and was on par with KCM 2 Naruto. Itachi also was beating KCM Naruto in a hand to hand fight, unless you think that Kishimoto was wrong about Sage Naruto surpassing Jiraiya and think that Jiraiya can also keep up with KCM 2 Naruto.
I haven't seen the whole video yet, but does it consider the fact that Orochimaru himself doesn't have to be in the battlefield if he has Edo Tensei, and can essentially play the same game Nagato does? Such a fight would probably be very long and complex, especially if Orochimaru has a teleporter like Tobirama/Minato.
Edo Tensei is a special circumstance that Pain can counter. 1. The chakra rods that Pain uses also worked to paralyze Edo Tobirama. 2. Pain can rip their souls out. 3. Orochimaru’s edo were way weaker than they were alive. 4. Minato wouldn’t be summoned
No they skip that and alot more this is just a pain fan video. And orochimaru just needed the mask and all the hokage are back, since everyone has a summoning to escape with they could have unlimited prep time.
As a linguistic student I must tell you one thing. Don't trust chat gpt (especially with language like japanese which is 30 times more difficult than english) this tool is very useful, but it sometimes has problems with banal language like english. Especially when consider that manga statements are very unclear for this program bc it doesn't has a lot of experience dealing with them. If you want to recive unbias translation, than just ask some japanese person.
4:07 its worth noting jiraiya said "under the circumstances my ninjutsu doesn't work pain beats me" meaning we don't really know if this would be the case if the preta path was replaced with another path or some shit. And this no ninjutsu statement wouldn't really apply tsunade or oro who don't really fight with attacks pain can absorb. Oro's hydra is just a physical snake and tsunade just punches people really hard. Other than that jiraiya should just be relative to the pains he fought since jiraiya says he's certain he could beat them in a 1 v 1 and the animal path summons 2 other paths to jump jiraiya once he's in sage mode. No reason to think the fight is a stomp
Tsunade runs up and gets paralyzed, Orochimaru gets sealed or has his soul ripped out, Jiraiya gets murdered. Pain is simply too strong. Pain literally fought against the ENTIRE Leaf Village, beat everyone, then beat sage mode Naruto(who surpassed the Sannin) and the strongest sage toads(Gamabunta was relative to a tailed beast), then stalemated 6 Tail Naruto, then was going to reseal 8 tail Naruto before barely losing to Naruto all while literally dying and being weaker than he was against Jiraiya.
Bro that fight is not turning out how u would think jiryara only lost really from lack of information with all three there they will break down pain litterly the fight is high diff the 3 sannin vs the six paths of pain Naruto man have been stronger than the sannin but hed lacked skill and if a nigga like Naruto could take out 5 by himself wtf u really think the three sannin gone do to pain who faught threw 2 wars df y’all crazy ash if y’all think pain is just finna whip him because that’s not gone happen because for one pain is not smarter than orchimaruo orchimaro would’ve uncovered that secret so fast and the sannin would delt with the pain accordingly and if a nigga like konahmaru can take out a pain and kaskasi can take out a pain wtf would y’all think pain can whipe the legendary sannin because that’s not happening that shit is dead y’all are definitely underestimating the sannin this fight is a high diff fight the only way the pain is walking out this fight is he use planetary devastation …. And btw that soul taking pain if we being realistic he not touching orchimaru he way to slippery for that
@@SuperPianogirl123 the entire village isn't that impressive. Its just fighting abunch of random jounin. And every time pain did fight someone with a name like konohamaru or even choji's dad or Kakashi he almost loses or does lose. Pain beat sage naruto but he did that with hax that wouldn't really apply to the other sanin. The reason sage naruto struggled so much against him is because sage mode runs out after naruto uses 2 attacks and naruto is fighting 6 people. Naruto mid fight also says pain can't damage him too The sage toads are fodder. They're weaker than the base sanin since oro implies manda wouldn't listen to oro if he was weak in part 1. Also he stalemated 6 tails but thats only with an ability we're not even sure he can use while all the paths are up. Tendo could die before he gets the chance to use it. Also pain couldn't hold up chibaku tensei for long thats why naruto got out even though he could supposedly make it bigger. Also nothing implies he was that much weaker against naruto than jiraiya
I have a question. What if Kakuzu gained a heart of a Kekkei Genkai or Kekkei Mora user? Let's say he stole Onoki or Mei's heart (not in a romantic way), will he be able to use lava style, vapor style, and particle style?
@@gokublack3257he’s not ass but he’s definitely overvalued. Saw a few polls recently where he was beating them in a landslide of which one was the strongest. I don’t think there’s an argument to be had that he’s the strongest tbh.
@@6PathsGohan The fact you genuinely think Ohnoki could handle them all maybe in his prime he could BEAT Tsunade or Orochimaru but based on feats he’s losing to Oro and I feel it could go either way with him and tsunade mid to high diff in favor of ohniki and that’s only because we have no speed feats for non flying Ohnoki
Please do an analysis of Anbu Itachi vs. Hebi Sasuke. Before MS Vs. Pre Orochimaru absorbed and MS vs. Orochimaru Absorbed. This would be a cool matchup because they're pretty close in age and skill.
Hebi would destroy him no diff anbu itachi is fodder can you see that version of itachi fighting deidara I can't even see Uchiha massacre itachi not getting one shot by deidara
20:28 Not saying it would change anything even remotely, but wouldn't Katsuyu's acid probably be at least partially if not entirely nature energy? I know we never have any evidence to show that "slug sage" is actually a thing, but 2 out of the 3 sanin summon types are confirmed sage creatures and Tsunade's grandfather had an unknown sage mode. So it would make sense if this massive forest slug with enormous healing properties used nature energy.
The thing I don't get about power scaling, and legit help me out here, is that pain beats up Naruto badly too. At that point in the story, it'd be wild to assume Naruto could beat what was the most powerful akatuski. The whole dang village combined could not beat him. I don't see the logic or the feats I guess that could back up naturos win. It happened because the author wanted it to. If any sannin fought pain, the author could always write a way for them to win if they so choose. Is there something I'm missing?
No, not really. Power scaling can be interesting to see how strong a character is, but, in the end of the day, who wins just depends on who's writing the story.
Yes the author could literally make anything happen but that doesn’t mean you can’t scale a little bit using feats. There will be a lot of inaccuracies since a human made the universe tho
Mmma jiraya by himself is enough to Takedown more then half of the paths of pain the addition of tsunade and orochimaru along with their experience operating as a team makes them too much for pain. Tsunade and orochimaru are essentially immortal and all 3 have high level sage modes.
Erm no. He took on 3 paths of pain and only beat them due to hiding and using Ma and Pa. If all 6 were fighting him he'd have been defeated in about 10 seconds from the start. It took Jiraiya a long time to go sage mode and even then the entire time he was trying to enter sage mode he was only against the animal path. Even then he had to run and be careful. The 3 Sannin vs Pain get decimated by pain and there's no ifs ands or buts about it...
@@adamdonovan7269everything you said is wrong. Ma and pa are his summonings so therefore part of his arsenal. He even combined jutsu with them. He beat 3 of them fair and square while deducing their abilities. Pain even said Jiraya might’ve won if he knew the secret 😂😂😂
it was that biased but shit orochimaru had so many good feats, and tsunade was about to die bcz of her low chakra 😂 then again they usually are biased towards the likable characters which is why their channels are so big
Yo naruto is not stronger than the 3 sannin. It's not just about power but versatility. They beat pain because they have so many options. All 3 of them actually know shadow clone and although the 5th doesn't use jutsu usually, 2 of them have game changing and huge jutsu. Not to mention they are all smart . Also deva path can't spam anyway . If he knocked away tbe Summens then they lose
Nagato doesn't have the weaknesses Pain has which is the 5 sec delay since his power is how own power unlike the Pains whose chakra is being transmitted by Nagato and Pain would lose bruh...Tsunade's strong enough to break Madara's susanoo and the Pain:s durability aside from Tendo sucks being killed by punches and rasengans by Konohamaru...the Sannins get 3 times stronger/ more skilled as well when they work together ( it's stated)....Pain loses but high diff
@@Imre286 Yes, madara >>>>> pain, tsunade could crack his susanoo and keep up with him in speed. Pain is a sage mode naruto rival, he's getting stomped
We got a man who got beaten by Pain, a woman who couldn't stand up to Pain, and a man who should be relative to either of these two. It isn't looking too good.
@@lilscrublord151 Pain’s power difference is too great for their collective strength to have an impact. Kinda like Madara vs The Five Kage, but obviously at a smaller scale.
@@Khan-rz8qi wym how? Physically the Sannin can damage him as shown with Sage Jiraiya kicking the shit out of one of the pains. We already seen Orochimaru tank a almighty push before, granted he did get kinda folded and Tsunade should be able to damage all the paths the only thing stopping them from winning is the Rinnegan, numbers advantage and Pain’s strength/speed advantage which isn’t as bad when all 3 of them fight together
I always interpreted pain saying he wouldn’t have won is related to the fact he had no idea his jiryia could use frog song, had all 6 bodies been there & caught under frog song, technically he would have won.
I like how the sannin are like 4 tailed Naruto level, and 15 y/o Minato straight up violates 7 tailed Kushina with sealing, and counters Kurama's bijuudama with a rasengan that he just figured out to fully form.
Minato had the fighting style to deal with such threats. If Orochimaru or Jiraiya learned Hiraishin, they'd do much better against tailed beasts, fast opponents, and one-shotters.
@@marciali3924 He clearly didn't want to hurt Kushina, he succeeded. He wanted to suppress Kurama, he succeeded. He clashed with Kurama in Kushina's inner world and countered a bijuudama from full Kurama, Sage Naruto with help from Kushina, Bee and Yamato could barely beat half of Kurama.
Jaraiya was able to take out 3 I’m positive a serious tsunade (katsuyu) and orochimaru(manda,hydra) would be more then enough to destroy pain imo and the manga wasn’t up for interpretation it clearly says if jaraiya would’ve knew about they probably couldn’t have one and your telling me give him Orochimaru and Tsunade they high diff pain
He was only able to take them out because of frog song tho, that’s like saying a chibaku tensei would trap all 3 sanin. It’s a way for him to win, but not realistic. Or saying the human path pulling out their soul. There’s plenty of quick easy wins on both sides. But I think he means more of realistically who’s more powerful and WOULD win, not how kishimoto had jiraiya beating 3 of them
@@davidquezada6398how is frog not realistic he used it disable 3 pains then Naruto used it In his fight .it's been used 2 time on pain and 2 hits idk how it's unrealistic for pain to get hit by it lmao
@@codbeast914 because he only got it on them while they were running thru some hallways chasing jiraiya, had it been a battle with their summons and everything I definitely feel like the pains wouldn’t all sit there and get hit by it lmao. The diva path couldn’t even use all mighty push in the rain village
@@davidquezada6398 pain ran headfirst into it in a giant crater plenty of space after he had seen it before there is no reason to think it won't work the 3rd
@@codbeast914 to me I feel like jiraiya wouldn’t use frog song, the pains should be spread out to deal with 3 separate opponents and even if EVERYONE is clumped up I don’t think jiraiya would use to it to avoid the rest of the sanin getting hit by it while they fight. I can definitely see frog song taking out maybe 1 pain but they just get brought back anyways. Regardless 1 move wins like that don’t seem realistic. Like if pain uses a chibaku tensei what are the sanin going to do to NOT get hit by it. At the end of the day i feel like it’d be a summons battle with a 3way deadlock and then eventually the sanin would lose
Sage Mode Jiraya with intel on the 6 pains could've won that battle with high difficulty. There's no way 6 pains would have a chance of taking on the 3 sannin. Nagato vs the 3 sannin is another story.
Nah I don't think he could have won even mid diff especially if Tendo Pain was there but I agree that with Orochimaru whose stronger than him and Tsunade who can break Madara's susanoo they definitely stand a chance again Pain and Six being six always discredits the Sannin
I think what they meant by that is that Jiraiya would have approached that encounter differently. He could’ve escaped, backed off for reinforcements, helped the leaf form a plan. Which wouldn’t have been a win for Pain in that situation.
For a moment I thought "Wait... right. Good thinking", but the dynamic changes when all six work together and Tendo Pain is another level than the other ones. At least his ability is a gsme changer. I also think the three Sannin will beat Pain, nonethless but it is not as simole as saying Jiraiya would be good for three of them, when all six are there.
@@-UnknownHeroand you gotta take into account that they fought in hidden rain where pain couldn’t go all out. I don’t see the sanin withstanding chibaku tensei, gedo statue and the jutsu pain used to erase the leaf. There’s just too much in pains arsenal that are overkill. Plus orochimaru and jiraiya aren’t allowed to make any real mistakes. Pain has atleast 1 revive before they take jigokudo path down.
I would give the win to the Sannin assuming they figure out that Nagato is the main body, which would be easier since he would have to bring out all paths from the start of the fight. From that point it becomes a stalling match until Orochimaru finds Nagato and kills him (getting himself some sweet eyes in the process). Tsunade drastically increases Jiraya's survivability through healing. Orochimaru also has access to Edo Tensei to even the numbers. Sure, they wouldn't be as strong as the originals, but that's still something. And if we're going with war arc Orochimaru who has gotten his hands back, we'd be talking about Hiruzen, Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato. Suddenly we're looking at a 7v6 fight with an incredible firepower advantage on the Sannin's part.
Tsunade simply hurts harder than sage Naruto with 100 healings, she would one shot the paths. So with the 5 second intervals, one hit would be enough for tendo and if they take down the one that revives the paths, its over really
Orochimaru has edo tensei. He is also far more analytical in battle. He has sword of Kusanagi. He has his Hydra form. He has his killing intent genjutsu. Tsunade can interrupt most of the pain’s setting up combos by destroying terrain. Jiraya could just be the opportunist attacker.
I interpreted the 3 times skill when working together as by themselves they are 1 sannin but together there is 3. Making them 3 times strong than an individual
So you are telling me that Kakashi was able to almost kill 2 of the strongest paths of pain with a little help and Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru with Summons and Ma and Pa would stand no Chance?
@@spit-fire In fact the Deva path did instantly fold Kakashi AND Choza (who caught an attack from V2 Kinkaku) and everyone present once the Asura path died
@@GeneFOX70im pretty sure Luke was one of the only few ppl to get that strong could be wrong but Vader really isn’t all that strong talking about Star Wars as a whole as a dark lord he gets easily beat from other dark lords and master so because he has to many weaknesses with his suit granted the emperor made it that way on purpose madara is stomping
I think the reason why this is negligible is because lots of people scale what happened to Jiraiya to overhype Pain. The problem was that Jiraiya was basically fighting blindly the whole fight meanwhile Pain had prep time and knew exactly what Jiraiya could do. It was a complete mismatch. Pain massively outscales Jiraiya, or this would have been the case UNTIL Nagato stated that Jiraiya would have defeated him if he knew about the Six Paths of Pain. Not even Pain's biggest supporters can refute this. Nagato admitted that Jiraiya would have not just done better but downright beaten all of the Pains if he had prep time.
Actually, it's more likely that the secret Nagato was referring to was his real body. In that case, Jiraiya would have won by attacking Nagato's weakened self rather than beating the 6 Pains.
@@thewritermichaelis200Depends on which scaling, are we using base alive Tobirama whom got clapped by the twins or Edo Tobirama that somehow blitzed Juubito.
Plus, Kakashu was shaking in fear when he faced Orochimaru, he thought he could’ve died if a confrontation where to happen. Vs Pain you never see that fear, he just straights means business. Not implying this will determine the winner but it puts in perspective how powerful Oro can really be with his body fully healthy. He even was praised by Hashirama JUST FOR HIS KNOWLEDGE, he never saw him fighting.
Jiraiya did defeat nagato in the end, and nagato was absolutely right about his secret and jiraiya. As soon as he figured out the secret to his rinnegan, pain’s fate was sealed. Giving Naruto that intel+the other rinnegan intel was literally the largest contributing factor to Naruto winning. I highly doubt pain ever meant he’d beat him in a straight up fight. At least, that’s how I always took it. The fact that he storms the leaf almost immediately after he recovers from the fight to get back the body and chakra receivers/ find Naruto was something I always thought reinforced that idea. Now I’m just speaking the obvious, but.. He was clearly worried because the rinnegan in particular isn’t as effective once people know it’s secrets. At least the way he used it, with the six paths. It’s the one weakness of pain; the split bodies and weakened original put pain in a position single body nagato would never have to worry about. All they have to do is send one high level ninja or squad after the main body and the six paths are in a predicament. Jiraiya was possibly the only person on the planet that could have put two and two together and realized who pain was; he really was the only one that could “defeat” pain. Orochimaru and kabuto might have been able to deduce some of his abilities, for example, but never his actual identity. They just didn’t have the clues and information jiraiya did.
@@apoocumber4164 I mean, yeah. He was strong, but he wasn’t “fighting two sannin and a whole village at the same time as the 9 tails potentially” strong.
I feel like the Pain overall wins anyway, but I don't feel like Ma and Pa would be the only ones that could sense the Chameleon Summon, Manda and Orochimarus other Snakes should be able to also on account of them being Snakes in general. Not like it matters tho, just felt like the Chameleon summon isn't a deciding factor, the lack of options against the discrepancy in their numbers would easily be the reason why Pain can take this fight.
@@slevinchannel7589 So you just chose to not address anything I mentioned and drop a "Green and Greenlike are the same thing" thank you Kanye, very cool.
@@bchavez149 How speaking in general and not adressing your boring comment is 'Kayne West likee' is beyond me, but yeah, sure, we dont have to talk about what i said. Who cares? Honestly blatantlyy childish and imature how you go-off on me thoughh, thx for that
@@slevinchannel7589 My point: "Pain would still win, but Manda and the other snakes should be able to sense the Chameleon" Your retort: "High-Kage level and Hokage level are the same thing" Who asked for that response? It's like you're trying to sound smart while just verbally cosplaying as someone that got held back in 3rd grade.
34:39 So the Saninn have no intel nothing on Pain because they didn't fight the first time, but now suddenly Pain will recognize the song? Come the fuck on bro. Come on Six. Come on TG. I know frog song isn't likely but you should give the Sannin more credit. You also aren't giving Orochimaru enough credit considering how many snakes he can summon at one time.
Y’all are being disingenuous, Jiraiya killing those 3 paths of pain was way easier than it would be to kill those same three when the six are gathered. If pain decided to 6v1 jiraiya from the start he wouldn’t even have a chance to use sage mode
@@voltonator7991 yeah but that‘s not the point. The point is, while pain has 3 additional paths to deal with jiraya, jiraya has 2 additional sannin to deal with the 6 paths. The sanning would destroy them
The sanin can beat two paths of pain. So essentially they can divide them into a 2v1 . The sanin win mid-high diff. Orochimaru can use edo to revive the 1st 2nd and 4th hokage. If he can do that it's low to mid diff.
@Solkage885 Katsuyu never used her acid against him. Gamakichi used a liquid move, I'll just call it mucus and juubito could not repel or absorb it. That's why naruto went sage mode and could damage him.
13:02 in relation to 4 tails Naruto, there's no indication that once the nine tails Chakra leaks out to 4 tails and beyond, that Naruto's own is relevant or necessary. His power is more or less shoved aside. Which means if 5 year old Naruto was to release the 4 tails it would be the same a 12 year old and 16 year old.
It makes me wonder, if Lady Katsuyu split herself in order to provide a bit of healing and intel, if the Sannin managed to single out 2 Pains each to fight (let's say it's in the Rain Village for this example), would Jiraiya, in Sage Mode, even be able to touch or receive any of her healing? Since Lady Katsuyu is a sage creature and Jiraiya is hopped up on frog sage chakra that's even a bit out of control because he's not a perfect Sage, how would Katsuyu's nature energy mingle with his? Would Jiraiya start to turn into a half frog, half slug? Or would Katsuyu start to turn into a frog? It also leaves me confused as to if the Preta path could absorb her acid. Since it's coming from a sage creature, then absorbing it would be detrimental, no? Or is it only from direct contact to a constant stream of natural energy, like when he full nelson'd Sage Naruto?
A very good and very true analysis,sadly for the fans of the Sannin. Every good tool and argument is handled w good form and wording as one would expect from these two ^^
I think the sannin are being a bit underrated. It doesn’t makes sense even if jiraiya beat the weaker pains you have tsunade using chakra to heal them and a huge pool while saying so while Orochimaru could use something like reanimating to also help like he did against hiruzen and even if not he could do other jutsu to handle the pains the only issue I see is chibaku tensei
Orochi can heal tsuande can use 100 seals buff thier jutsu and heal also jirya have frog song to hit multipe ppl so if it deva path it gg but with hard to do but if pain use chibuku tensei their finish but i think they cna defeat him before tht
They could've also scaled base tsunade to 4 tails Naruto cause jiraya states that he was only close to dying two times in his life and one of them was from 4 tails and the other from tsunade. So there attack power is comparable. Edit .Before someone says this happened a long time ago and jiraya was weaker, than tsunade would also be weaker at the time so it doesn't negate the scaling cause we know they all get stronger.
Kaguya otsutsuki is a representation you either die a hero or live long enough to become a monster she became a monster especially when the ten-tails got involved
That was pretty dope. A versus came to mind while watching this. Sasori and Deidara Vs Naruto, Sakura, Chiyo, and Kakashi (all from the Kazekage Rescue Mission Arc). I have no idea how one sided this is or if it’s even fair but it could be fun
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Pain loses Big time. Tsunade and and jirya could distracted pain while orochimaru uses edo tensei the fight ends right there
@@Guest-x8n pain can summon a infinite dog that can morph into an army if need be, chibaku tensei, shinra tensei
whats crazy is if itachi joins all of them combined fail to live another day, even if pain teams up with the sanin
What I have to say, is that tsunade with katsyuya with stood almighty push that destroyed the entire village, and she is the sole reason why all the people are alive still and directly after that pain couldn’t even operate for five minutes couldn’t do no almighty push almighty pull nothing so there’s that all of the Shinobi in the village at that time weren’t stronger than Jirayah or , orochiMaru Jirayah, when he thought the four tails did not fight, the four tails in sage mode, which is a significant power boost and amp, and he wasn’t fighting him with killer intention orochiMaru was in a weak, dying decrepit body, and did not have access to his full power when he was fighting the four tails, and u can make the arguement that tsunade could knock Naruto in the four tail out completely if not obliterate him completely given the fact that sasuke kirin that destroyed an entire mountain didn’t crack itachis susanno and she blew apart some of Madara Susanno and the fact that she has the hundred healings ability. On top of Jeriah, having his sage mode with his genjutsu to body all six pains, orochiMaru was defeated by bloodlust Itachi waiting for him. And I’m not even bringing up the fact that orochimaru can just bring up dead bodies that are immortal to fight on the battlefield for him against pain. Y’all are slandering the three sanin like crazy if you don’t can’t think of win conditions like y’all doing for pain. they can defeat the path of pain together like what are y’all even talking about one on one sure but all three naw
While it doesn’t effect the end outcome really, I do think it was a mistake to not include the fact that the orochimaru who fought 4 tails naruto still couldn’t use most his jutsu and his body was nearing its end. This makes his fight against naruto vastly more impressive then jirya as
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Pain gets his ass filled
Oroshimaru with both hands would have easily taken care of Naruto. Even Sasuke knew that if it wasn’t because of Oroshimaru’s handicap, he wouldn’t have been able to defeat him. Think about it, if Oroshimaru was able to use his justu for the whole show + his immortality, he’d be completely unstoppable. He would have also easily defeated Sasuke and took over his body, while having the knowledge to produce a Rinnegan. It would’ve been a wrap for everyone, there’s a reason why they needed to severely nerf him.
@@Khan-rz8qipain, obito, and itachi mop his ass before he gets the rinnegan
@@Khan-rz8qihow would he get a rinnegan... and dont u dare say becuz its sasuke's body when all he talked about was sharingans. He has never hinted at it evolving past that
Jiriya held his own pretty well I think if he had Tsunade with her 100 healings and a healthy Orochimaru they might be able to get it done
Jiraya was getting mopped 😂
He himself admitted his jutsus had no use
@@Rck-vert just seeing how Tsunade did in the war arch tells me if she was there with her 100 healings and if Orochimaru was there and healthy they might be able to get it done. Jiriya was in the rain village so he was at a disadvantage from the start. But if he had people with him covering his back might be a different story.
@@Rck-vertwhere did jiriaya get mopped? He took almost no damage until he was ambushed by ashura. Even when all six showed up he still killed one.
@@lightVs.DarkBalance in 2023 ppl still think Jiraya is Pains level.
Lol…I’m not gonna debate what was shown in the manga.
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@@mystanky nah, they get mopped still. Tsuande is still sannin level in the war arc. Oro wasn’t healthy in Naruto so that’s useless.
About the 4th tails statements... You completely neglected to mention Orochi still didn't have his arms at that point, which completely nerfed him (unless you're actually using no-arms Orochi to scale, who is a lot weaker than the Orochi who took on Hiruzen). And, Jiraiya was slightly off-guard when he took that initial attack. Completely changes the scaling lol
Jiraiya was off guard, had no intent to kill/badly injure and was trying to seal the nine tails with tags. He was fighting in a heavily disadvantaged state and still ‘won’. They are really exaggerating the 4 tails as an Anti-feat. I wouldn’t say the scale to 8 tails by any stretch but I can’t definitely see them holding their own vs 6 tails if they had to with intent to kill/healthy bodies.
@@deadprecidentswhere was it stated that he was offgaurd when 4 tails Naruto blitzed him?
@@deadprecidentsYou beat on the no killer intent part.
Yess exactly. Jiraya would never approach naruto with killing intent.
And Orochimaru was literally having the time of his life against Kyubbi lol 😂.
You're right, Orochimaru's lack of arms definitely had an impact on his power during that encounter. And Jiraiya being caught off-guard changes things up too.
Glad pain is getting the respect he deserves after the disrespect he got cause of the nagato vs itachi era. Glad to see ThunderGod collabing with you, never thought id see him at this point when i first started watching him. 😮
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you can blame the itachi stans for that one
itachi would destroy nagato in all forms against all forms
@@hammelbear749 not true
@@bigcarnotaurus8857 he does go reread naruto then rewatch it before you ever debate me on this little bich
also pain deserved the disrespect
They're a few things that I have to point out.
1. Tsunade is not going to spend that much chakra on summoning Katsuyu. The 2 time she used up all her chakra was because she was trying to save all the leaf village, and shinobi alliance. There's only 3 things that they will need Katsuyu for.
1 Information hub: All the Katsuyu do share one mind, so she can relay all of Pain strength and weakness. And if any of the other 2 have an idea or plan they could just inform Katsuyu.
2 Healing: The only person that she needs to heal is Jiraiya. Orochimaru already has himself a healing factor, and Tsunade is Tsunade.
3 Attack: You can make a good argument that Pain cannot absorb her acid, because it is organic.
2. Orochimaru and Tsunade cannot be put down by anything that Pain does besides the blackhole. Tsunade can beat any of his summons with a good hit besides the dog, and anything that they do to her is going to be on the same level as what Madara does to her if not least. Orochimaru is just a cockroach that can't be killed, and don't forget the 3 undying bodies that he has, the edo tensei.
3. Jiraiya's main goal is to kill the chameleon then the main body of Pain. Orochimaru and Tsunade are going to survive fighting the Pain by themselves. Tsunade is still going to have a large portion of her chakra because the only person she has to heal is Jiraiya, and besides for the blackhole there are no moves that Pain has that can take down Orochimaru.
Besides for the blackhole, the fight is going to be more 50/50 leaning on the Pain side. With the blackhole, Pain is going to win.
Tsundade and orochimaru are susceptible to chakra drain and soul rip. If they get stabbed by chakra rods they can be paralyzed. If the fight is on neutral territory pain can clap his hands and use chubaku tensei which takes near full ninetails transformation to break and 4 tails can body jiraiya.
@@Akbar_and_Shaa4 tails literally got one hit in and still lost to an half dead Jiraiya
He would only use chibaku tensei if he was absolutely desperate
I agree with you that the fight would be 50/50 only because Chibaku Tensei musn't be used its insta gg if it's used. However, they kinda lowballed the Sannin a bit I mean I'm still siding with Pain here but the great three we're still undermined.
best argument ive seen, but mention the edo tensei for orchimaru
What also must be taken into context is that Jiraiya had no idea what pain was capable of. The whole fight was him trying to figure out what was going on. Its like fighting an enemy thats weaker than you (not saying pain is weaker than Jiraiya), ut while you are expensing all of your energy and showing your tricks, they just keep regenerating health back. This is a visualization of why I think Jiraiya was concerned about his progress against the initial 3 pains. Not many can claim to have faced a rinnengan user. Dud had no idea what the f was going on
Yeah that's what people keep forgetting that this was more of a recon mission than a fight and it was a three on one! Each of those three each had rinnegan! Rinnegan is strong enough to boost people to kage level bare minimum in capabilities and overall strength and he still won't despite being unsure of himself!😂 Like tf, this man went up against three people who are your level or above and still won!
@@lavellelee5734 Indeed. Jiraiya is a beast, and should not be slept on. Sure, he may not be the most formidable of the non-six paths characters, but he is a dangerous threat to anyone before Madara showed up. Pain stated in the manga that he sensed a dangerous chakra in the rain village when Jiraiya was infiltrating the rain village.
@@lavellelee5734the Sanin are Kage level, Pain is well above Kage/Sanin level.
@@donovan4222 Its hard to say, because of how broad the term “kage level” is. Which kage are we using as a baseline? Because Minato was very close to Hashirama level if not there, and we all know thats way out of pains league. Pain was clearly a step higher than Jiraiya, but maybe like a half step. Jiraiya was still dangerous enough to pose a serious threat.
@@sagearmaggedon7307insane jiraiya overhyping. Jiraiya fighting three on one doesn't mean anything if jiraiya fought deva path one on one he would still get rekt. Prolly wouldn't even be able to go sennin mode as it require walking around ten minutes folding his hands and not doing any jutsu.
Deva path destroyed the whole konoha, fought kyuubi up to 8 tails, defeated sennin mode naruto (better sennin mode than jiraiya), killed toads, in the end he barely lost due to insane chakra usage and Naruto plot armor. Not even mentioning he rekt orochimaru in a flashback. How would jiraiya take this guy😂
Btw nope jiraiya wasn't a threat before madara. Minato, tobi, pain, itachi, sennin kabuto, killer bee, kcm1 naruto, ems sasuke all would easily destroy him. You guys are just wanna overhype this guy because you like him. İ'm sorry, you crying when he died doesn't mean he is a very strong character.
The sanin together are 3 times stronger than the sum of their parts. It’s referring to their ability to cover each other’s weaknesses and boost each other strength.
chibaku tensei
I mean they all use their boss summons in battle which literally makes their numbers go from 3 to 6. How everyone that I’ve ever seen talk about that quote miss that is beyond me. Pain still bulldozes.
@@hobbyhorse5848 Pain struggled against Jiraiya himself, no one smart would think it’s an easy fight
What does that even mean? This is Naruto bro, not a street fight
@@insipid_yt it means what he said?
meaning they can strategize better than pain can and aren’t likely to make mistakes or slip up like pain has
I think Six’s interpretation of Jiraiya finding out the secret was a HUUGGGEEE stretch 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was straight tomfoolery, i love six but he loves to stretch.
23:16 doesn't matter ma and pa blitzed and one shotted it. Jiraiya probably scales to them too since Jiraiya's hair needles is the fastest sage attack in databook 3. And Jiraiya still thinks he can beat the animal path in a 1 v 1. So sage jiraiya's movements scale too ma And pa's attack
Animal path was on his own and for some reason dint summon more than one even tho it shown in the pain arc he can
I still think Nagato was referring to Jiraiya finding his real body.
Jiraiya has advance sneaking techniques and is just a slippery dude. Orochimaru on paper would seem like more suited for this type of stuff, but Jiraiya has more espionage feats.
Including as Kashin Koji.
Thinking about it. You probably could have discussed Alt Wincons where instead Jiraiya and Orochimaru look for the original Pain.
I mean can't the animal path summon nagato main body if they somehow find his real body
@@gameuniverse5973 Maybe, assuming Nagato was not assassinated before that. However, if the real body is summoned, Nagato will be taken out of his machine which made him able to control the separate bodies. Now, if this Nagato is able to absorb chakra and return to his healthy state then he would definitely win because edo Nagato was able to go even with Naruto, B, and Itachi. However, if he doesn't, then he could because as an edo tensei, it was shown he could barely walk.
2:48 Jiraiya lost to all 6 after being taken off guard after beating 3 of them
He actually fought them with Pa and one arm. It's just off screen. The Jiraiya downplay needs to stop in these YT videos.
Can't he teleport one into a frog underworld? If he did that to tendo pain GG
@@gabrielparanormalchildhood7559Pain has a summoning path, who can summon Tendo back
@@Rck-vertsummon a dead body😂😂😂😂 I'm just saying with Tsunade and OROCHIMARU pain dead
he didn’t beat 3 ma and pa did 😂
32:40 ma and pa are connected to jiraiya so they'd also be pulling jiraiya in to. And he can just shoot a fire ball while he's being pulled in. Also tendo should at least be relative to jiraiya in speed. Nagato didn't just have tendo come in and solo at the end. And jiraiya was still able to escape and bring a path into his frog dimension.
Zetsu also notes that the fight took awhile in the same chapter they say "jiraiya would have won if he knew our secret" and black zetsu's reason for why the fight took awhile was because pain was fighting jiraiya.
The fact that pa dint tell them about tendo abilities means he dint even use them they were shown surprised by tendo abilities so wrong
@@gameuniverse5973 pa didn't need to katsuyu did that for him. and when were they suprised. Tendo first uses his abilities against naruto in chapter 434
@@theonetrueedgelord3596 kakashi fighting tendo had no idea what he was doing and needed to figure out himself so that means when tendo showed up he dint even bother to use his abilities against Jiraiya with pa because pa told them all he knew about each path to Tsunade to tell the leaf
@@gameuniverse5973 even so not using that ability wouldn't mean jiraiya isn't relative to him.
I just think that if jiraiya with no knowledge and no prep can take down 3 pain while they were surprise attacking him, then together with the rest of the sannin (who he works incredibly well with) they should stomp pain.
Just common sense 😂
Jiraiya COULDN’T beat Pain. Beating the weaker paths took a gamble that almost didn’t work after they cornered all his attacks and outmatched him in Taijutsu. Orochimaru and Tsunade both admitted that they couldn’t stop Pain. The three of them would just get blown apart.
@@SuperPianogirl123 all you’ve essentially stated is that each of the sannin is weaker than pain individually, which no one is denying. The question is about them together as a cohesive unit.
I think its less that they cant beat pain but their chances of winning are probably closer to 30%, it all depends on how they target and how pain approaches the start of the fight. They have the moves that are fully capable swaying the battle in their favor, but even in the case that they win it wont be without casualties.
No. 1 shinra tensei from a MASSIVELY FATIGUED PAIN who had just spent hours demolishing the entire village, fighting everybody within the village, etc casually obliterated 3 massive Gamabunta level summons (INCLUDING BUNTA) and I quote "broke all their bones" and put them permanently out of commission for the fight. If you think that Jiraiya (who died to fucking rinnegan rods and the asura path's BARE HAND CRUSHING HIS THROAT CASUALLY WITH JUST PHYSICAL STRENGTH) is going to tank an attack that a much much more weakened version of pain used that ended in breaking the bones of Gamabunta and permanently incapacitating him, or Tsunade and Orochimaru are going to be able to tank an attack of that level and then instantly deal with 5 paths of pain, 1 of which can instantly end them if it so much as touches them by ripping their soul out, you're quite literally on drugs. Like SERIOUS DRUGS. They get neg diffed casually.
@@CorruptInsurgence i was being extremely generous with them going to at 30% if everything goes perfectly well. If the stars align and a frog song lands on enough of the correct pains they can win for example. That isnt likely to happen but they have some chance to pull off a win, however i dont think it is going to be the standard outcome of the battle. Pain might not start off going instantly for the kill either, in character he didnt just stomp his opponents out until later so there is a little wiggle room.
@CorruptInsurgence what he means is they technically have all the tools to beat pain, they just lack the power to pull it off
@@dragondrakage2402 Well using that logic everybody that isn’t simply jonin level has the tools to beat Pain??? Like I guess Kakashi also has the tools to beat Pain because kamui could affect the Paths and kill them. Also I guess base Naruto also has the tools to beat Pain because a rasenshuriken could destroy all the paths if it directly hits them with no resistance!?
Do you see the irrelevance of claiming that they “have the tools to beat Pain”. They could literally never do anything against Pain because Pain isn’t going to just stand there and let them hit him. That’s just illogical.
@CorruptInsurgence so you didn't read the last part of my comment did you?
Pain: It was the Salamander who bestowed you your titles, and it will be God that deprives you of your lives
If not for the sannin stalemating prime hanzo and Pain extreme diffing old and vastly rusty hanzo, i would agree pain slaps, but with just that, there is no logical argument that pain wins.
When the Sannin fought Hanzo none of them were on the peak of their power.
And when Pain defeated Hanzo he wasnt either at the peak of his power, he was but a shadow of the warrior he used to be.
😂😂😂😂
Tbh I think that each of the Sannin are being considerably downplayed here, considering that parts of their kits are being ignored. Orochimaru's cursed sealing is no joke, and is used during the war to handle a guy who was evenly matching the 3rd Hokage who had infinite chakra reserves. Tsunade also has good terrain disruption and offensive medical ninjutsu techniques, while Jiraya's frog song is still a win-con.
I think orochimaru is the only one that could have stood a chance against pain but pain would still win.
yea but that was also war arc orochimaru who got a huge power upgrade.
Just like to correct you on one thing. Orochimaru in part one had already left the Alatsuki. Meaning he should at least know a little something about Pain. Especially considering it was losing to Pain that made him join the Akatsuki. I know this was a cutscene from storm generations that shows us this and you have used scenes from that game before to add to your point. The cutscenes from that game are considered cannon and I know that you leave it up in the air on what people think of that but it doesn't change the fact that Orochimaru was in the Akatsuki before part 1 and so he should have some intel on Pain at least. Even if you don't use Generations he should still have some intel on Pain. Not non...
If we're using part 1 Orochimaru too he should have the 1st and 2nd hokage edo to fight off the animal path well too.
But pain kept his abilities a secret, even from the other atkaski members. It’s a mistake to conclude he’d know the workings of pains abilities just because he was in the atkaski
Literally none of the members of the akatsuki besides konan and probably obito knew anything about pain. And the cutscenes from the game isn’t canon my guy .
Regardless of what argument u try to make no version of orochimaru beside the boruto version is stronger or have a chance of beating pain
@@Nobody55564The forming of the Akatsuki was canon
@@IchigoKurosaki911 those edos are fodder even hebi Sasuke would no diff them
I can totally see Tsunade using her kick to break the ground and split the paths then Orochimaru using the gates as a triangle barrier to separate some paths and Jaraiya using either flaming toad oil or genjutsu to take out the few paths stuck inside the gates. After that, Orochimaru could use the snake tsunami thing to make the deva path use his jutsu & the Sanin use that chance to attack. This would also be a good chance for Jaraiya to use toad stomach and separate the deva path.
You forgot that their vision is linked and Pain is faster than all the sannin? He takes out Tsunade first then Jiraiya. The paths then gain up on Orochimaru. They ain’t winning.
@@DHworldwide185pain isn't faster than all the sannin 💀, jiraya literally blitzes the 3 paths that fight him, they could only react to him due to their shared vision
@@TheOtrebor19facts 😂 misinformation like a mf
@@TheOtrebor19 Tendo Pain is as fast as 6 tails
@@TheOtrebor19Pain literally fights and reacts to 6 tails V2 Naruto, none of the Sanin are as fast as that form of Naruto comparable to the Raikage in speed since Bee's V2 form is full power Raikage level.
The Sannin can win it just depends on how the fight goes. Jiraiya beat three Pains by himself with no intel. Tsunade can one shot all of the Pains and can tank every attack except the Human Path's soul steal. Orochimaru is the strongest Sannin with his hands unsealed. If they have intel ahead of time the Sannin definitely win. They will take out the healing Pain first and even if Jiraiya dies he will take out a couple pains before that. Tsunade and Orochimaru have enough healing and revival hax to outlast the rest of the Pains.
Pain would probably win because of chibaku tensei and the soul dragon jutsu.
doesn't work, tendo pain is so much stronger than they are he straight up make your argument invalid, let me remind you, a tendo pain who can barely stand after defeating the entire konoha, fights sage naruto and 5 near bijuu level summons, then fights six tail naruto and used a jutsu so draining that it shortens an uzumaki's lifespan, was able to defeat a mental amped sage naruto, who without mental amp is stronger than any of the sanin
@@rodrigor.2847 we’ve never seen pain summon the full gedo and only a healthy nagato ever has
Jiraiya wouldn’t died and Tendo is a nonfactor besides crowd control. Tsusade had an entire village tank Tendo’s strongest attack.
depends if pain feels angy
The disrespect the Sanin have been getting is atrocious…
honestly
No frfr all 3 would win it wouldn’t be free but they would win
@@sexybeast161 Pain defeated Jirayja easily. Even if he defeated one of the corpses the one with the specific power can bring it back immediately.
Tsunade couldnt do anything either.
Orochimaru is good but he isnt massively better than Jirayja so his fate will be the same.
I dont think fighting three at the same time would make that much of a difference. It would be like Zabuza fighting Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura.
@@iandavidvillaloboswong5180wank
They would win mid dif
people shit on Jiraiya just because he lost to pain as if pain was some low level fodder yet over look two details about the fight one J-man fought that battle with no info on pain he went in blind yet he took out three of them at the same time and took no damage doing so that's more impressive then the whole leaf with intel fighting pain as they had trouble dealing with one or two of them. Secondly J-man could have escaped that fight with his life he didn't have to stay there when he lost an arm he could have gone back to the leaf with the info he had but he wanted to make sure he was 100% right about pain and didn't want to skip any crucial intel that's why he gave up his life instead of fleeing he honestly went out a legend even his former student said as much
Nobody worried bout allat
they call him ass when it helps their argument but then say he struggles when debating pain vs itachi ⚰️
Funny thing by is Jiraiya could have survived that fight easily. Then he could have mastered Sage Mode and perfected it like Naruto. Easily would have got his armed repaired by Tsunade as well.
It feels like the entire rundown ignores teamwork entirely
Yea they are like pain is smart so he will systematically target the Healer and jiraya and orochimaru who are both smart fighters will just not have a plan for that. Like if that was all it took to take down tbe sanin they wouldn't have been so legendary.
@@timercolen1586 yeah it seems like the plan for pain beating them factors in beating one person at a time. Killing the healer first is a super common strat and I think the sanin have been fighting together long enough for them to counter such an obvious tactic
The Tsunade that fought against Madara is no different from the Tsunade during the pain arc... she's the exact same strength, she didn't do any training or anything... and then Jiraija and Orochimaru scale directly to Tsunade, because they're all stated to be relative equals and a literal "rock, paper, scissors" counter to eachother...
Sage Naruto is just ambiguously "stronger" than Jiraija which implies he could be anywhere from 1% stronger or more but nothing is ever suggested nor implied... so i think its safe to say that sage Naruto isn't even 2x stronger than sage Jiraija and nothing suggests otherwise....
Now the sannin are stated in data book to receive a 3x power amp when fighting together, this amp should easily make them each individually stronger than Sage Naruto... The legendary Sannin take the win 💯💯💯
Sage Naruto got his ass whooped by the Deva Path. No doubt the 3 Sannin are a threat but Pain still takes this
Sage Naruto is considerably stronger than sage jiraija who was incomplete sage
Even if there “power” got 3x stronger when they fight together which it doesn’t. It’s not gonna make them individually stronger than sage Naruto because the hypothetical buff only applies when they fight together not “individually”. And it common sense that sage Naruto is stronger than the all three of them especially in a one on one fight even in a 3v1
@@Nobody55564 sage Naruto is just stated to have surpassed Jiraija... there's absolutely nothing that suggests he's multiple times stronger than Sage Jiraija... in all likelihood he's less than 2x stronger, especially considering his performance and battle tactics against pain which relied heavily on the rasenshuriken rather than Naruto just being significantly stronger than Jiraija...
@@Nobody55564 it's outright ststed in the data book that they get a 3x teamwork amp when fighting together, so you're just blatantly wrong....
Jiraiya didn't lose to the three paths of pain that were JUMPING him, he KILLED them and then the other three paths showed up, the Naraka path brought the first three back, and then all SIX of them JUMPED him...and Jiraiya still held his own. Mind you all of this was WITHOUT any kind of Intel or prior knowledge.
Compare that to Naruto and everyone else who HAD info and prep time; Pain scraped ALL of them. Even Edo Nagato, who was WEAKER than he was while he was alive, folded a SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER version of Naruto than the one that "beat him"... and he had HELP this time. Had it not been for Itachi, the story would've ended right there.
I don't disagree that Pain would probably win, I just think the Sannin (especially Jiraiya) are downplayed. They could definitely do it together
Considering Deva barely beat a old very rusty hanzo while the sannin in a weaker form stalemate prime hanzo in base, it's very arguable any of the sannin in base can win high diff( can be lower depending on which sannin u pick).
Edo nagato would be stronger than the paths together but would be weaker than before he got crippled. Also we know from minato-kcm2 sage naruto scaling that the sannin should be above kcm1, who could sort of physically fight edo nagato.
This is true. The legendary Sanni are all relative in power. No one is stronger then the other. Orochimaru with reanimation justu, Lady Tsunade with 1000 healing justu and yes Jaryia with imperfect sage, ma and pa are all relative in power. So I pain can kill Jaryia he could be able to do the same to Orochimaru and Lady Tsunade.
All six paths of pain jumped jiraiya when he was near death and fatigued
@@Sign587 I mean yeah, anyone will get jumped fighting the six paths there’s multiple of them. That’s a bad argument. What? You wanted Pain to give Jiraiya a break. “Oh sorry man it seems like your arm is gone and you’re fatigued after using sage mode I’ll give you 10”
@@CasualCasimir that’s not what I’m saying
Jiriaya was successfully able to put down the three paths of pain with medium difficulty but then was caught off guard and lost his arm, that’s when the six paths of pain fought him.
When jiraiya was near death just lost an arm due to a suprise attack and hella fatigued with little chakra in sage mode
I’m not saying that jiraiya could defeat the six paths of pain, no It’s prettty clear that he’s not a match but he could have done a lot more if he wasn’t near death and in the state he was when the six paths came.
With two other Sannin by his side I’m sure they could maybe come out with a win aganist pain
Nagato has a long arrogance/naivity streak. He's the opposite of Itachi basically. Nagato isn't a naturally arrogant person but, his abilities prevented him from taking basic shinobi deception seriously and cost him dearly in multiple battles.
Oro with prep time is a huge problem for Nagato if he has to worry about Jiraiya and Tsunade too.
Lmfao no, they die to catastrophic planetary devastation
@@heftymagic4814 Both Frog and Snake summoning contracts give their users access to reverse summoning. The toads can summon Jiraiya/Naruto and Sasuke (Orochimaru's student) showed that he can climb into a snake's mouth and reverse summon it faster than Deidara explosion.
Even Tsunade can tank a point blank Shinra Tensei and she's the only Sannin who might not be able to reverse summon out of Chibaku Tensei. She could probably just tank it while Oro and Jiraiya just outsmart Nagato.
Sorry, bro but, Nagato (especially the Pain version) melts like snowflake once you've seen all of his tricks.
@@heftymagic4814 Also, Oro can put sage energy inside any of the Pain bodies with just a snake bite thru his curse seals.
You kind of have to forget ALL Sannin haxx and dickride Nagato to believe that this fight is in any way easy.
@@similaritiesendhereOrochimaru literally couldn’t even touch Pain. He already tried to sneak attack him and Pain one shot him. Jiraiya would get massacred and even with Tsunade and Orochimaru being immortal, they would either die or be sealed in chibaku tensei. Tsunade doesn’t even attempt to dodge, so she would get stabbed by the rods and get paralyzed and removed from the fight that way.
@@SuperPianogirl123 Oro only tried once with no intel and tanked a point blank shinra tensei.
Ask yourself, what Edo Tensei bodies did Oro already have before joining Akatsuki?
Also, Oro didn't know that the Deva Path was just a puppet body. That means he was going after the body and the eyes. It also means that Oro was trying to place a cursed seal on the Deva Path.
Oro would've accidentally discovered Pain's weakness to nature energy within his first few moves.
I think something people forget is that we never see any of the 3 Sannin at their peak and when we first meet them Tsunade and Jiraiya are in their 50's so they are well past their prime and getting weaker as time goes on. Jiraiya was stated to be the most powerful ninja of his generation.
This is even stated in the Manga that in his fight against Orochimaru during the Chunin exams Hiruzen Sarutobi was only a fraction of what he was in his younger days.
Main point i'm trying to make is that if you can imagine how powerful they are now imagine how powerful they were in their prime.
Jiraiya was stated to be the most powerful ninja of his generation, yet he lost to Orochimaru twice and Tsunade almost killed him. Statement vs feats.
People be like
“Sannin lost to Hanzo, Hanzo lost to Pain, Pain beats Sannin.” 🤷♂️
@@Hip-Gnosis1134 More like Pain beat all of the Sannin separately with not much effort and so having all three of them together wouldn’t change much.
@@SuperPianogirl123 yes, but at the time of his fight with Orochimaru he was weakened from poison and the first time they fought he saw Orochimaru as his best friend so wasn't going full out on him. On the Tsunade thing he's in love with her and would never be able to go full out on her.
Kisame is stated to be one of the most powerful members of the Akatsuki in terns of his Chakra and he stated that he didn't think that he could land a blow on Jiraiya and Itachi stated that he thought that if he and Jiraiya fought that either they would both die or seriously injure each other.
@@mentalist7772 Jiraiya literally says that Orochimaru was a prodigy and Hiruzen believed that Orochimaru could only be stopped by Minato. Itachi said that Jiraiya was stronger because he didn’t want to fight and wanted to convince Kisame to run. Itachi literally one shot Orochimaru twice, once while he was dying and Orochimaru was in his strongest form. Then EMS Sasuke was only barely equal to Itachi despite it being said that Sasuke had surpassed the Sannin and was on par with KCM 2 Naruto. Itachi also was beating KCM Naruto in a hand to hand fight, unless you think that Kishimoto was wrong about Sage Naruto surpassing Jiraiya and think that Jiraiya can also keep up with KCM 2 Naruto.
I haven't seen the whole video yet, but does it consider the fact that Orochimaru himself doesn't have to be in the battlefield if he has Edo Tensei, and can essentially play the same game Nagato does? Such a fight would probably be very long and complex, especially if Orochimaru has a teleporter like Tobirama/Minato.
Minato and Tobirama are in the belly of the reaper at this time of the fight. Orochimaru do not have the zetsu clones to edo tensei the four hokages.
Edo Tensei is a special circumstance that Pain can counter. 1. The chakra rods that Pain uses also worked to paralyze Edo Tobirama. 2. Pain can rip their souls out. 3. Orochimaru’s edo were way weaker than they were alive. 4. Minato wouldn’t be summoned
No they skip that and alot more this is just a pain fan video. And orochimaru just needed the mask and all the hokage are back, since everyone has a summoning to escape with they could have unlimited prep time.
@@austinkruger290 You do realize that the mask is a suicide jutsu and that Orochimaru only survived using it under special circumstances right?
@@SuperPianogirl123 You do realize that every curse mark has another copy of orochimaru. Lol this is fun
As a linguistic student I must tell you one thing.
Don't trust chat gpt (especially with language like japanese which is 30 times more difficult than english) this tool is very useful, but it sometimes has problems with banal language like english. Especially when consider that manga statements are very unclear for this program bc it doesn't has a lot of experience dealing with them.
If you want to recive unbias translation, than just ask some japanese person.
30:50 WHEN HE WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?
W video tho. 2 elite creators working together 🔥
4:07 its worth noting jiraiya said "under the circumstances my ninjutsu doesn't work pain beats me" meaning we don't really know if this would be the case if the preta path was replaced with another path or some shit. And this no ninjutsu statement wouldn't really apply tsunade or oro who don't really fight with attacks pain can absorb. Oro's hydra is just a physical snake and tsunade just punches people really hard.
Other than that jiraiya should just be relative to the pains he fought since jiraiya says he's certain he could beat them in a 1 v 1 and the animal path summons 2 other paths to jump jiraiya once he's in sage mode. No reason to think the fight is a stomp
Also the animal path is combative, it summons kaiju to kill people
U the only one making sense
Tsunade runs up and gets paralyzed, Orochimaru gets sealed or has his soul ripped out, Jiraiya gets murdered. Pain is simply too strong. Pain literally fought against the ENTIRE Leaf Village, beat everyone, then beat sage mode Naruto(who surpassed the Sannin) and the strongest sage toads(Gamabunta was relative to a tailed beast), then stalemated 6 Tail Naruto, then was going to reseal 8 tail Naruto before barely losing to Naruto all while literally dying and being weaker than he was against Jiraiya.
Bro that fight is not turning out how u would think jiryara only lost really from lack of information with all three there they will break down pain litterly the fight is high diff the 3 sannin vs the six paths of pain Naruto man have been stronger than the sannin but hed lacked skill and if a nigga like Naruto could take out 5 by himself wtf u really think the three sannin gone do to pain who faught threw 2 wars df y’all crazy ash if y’all think pain is just finna whip him because that’s not gone happen because for one pain is not smarter than orchimaruo orchimaro would’ve uncovered that secret so fast and the sannin would delt with the pain accordingly and if a nigga like konahmaru can take out a pain and kaskasi can take out a pain wtf would y’all think pain can whipe the legendary sannin because that’s not happening that shit is dead y’all are definitely underestimating the sannin this fight is a high diff fight the only way the pain is walking out this fight is he use planetary devastation …. And btw that soul taking pain if we being realistic he not touching orchimaru he way to slippery for that
@@SuperPianogirl123 the entire village isn't that impressive. Its just fighting abunch of random jounin. And every time pain did fight someone with a name like konohamaru or even choji's dad or Kakashi he almost loses or does lose.
Pain beat sage naruto but he did that with hax that wouldn't really apply to the other sanin. The reason sage naruto struggled so much against him is because sage mode runs out after naruto uses 2 attacks and naruto is fighting 6 people. Naruto mid fight also says pain can't damage him too
The sage toads are fodder. They're weaker than the base sanin since oro implies manda wouldn't listen to oro if he was weak in part 1. Also he stalemated 6 tails but thats only with an ability we're not even sure he can use while all the paths are up. Tendo could die before he gets the chance to use it. Also pain couldn't hold up chibaku tensei for long thats why naruto got out even though he could supposedly make it bigger.
Also nothing implies he was that much weaker against naruto than jiraiya
I have a question. What if Kakuzu gained a heart of a Kekkei Genkai or Kekkei Mora user? Let's say he stole Onoki or Mei's heart (not in a romantic way), will he be able to use lava style, vapor style, and particle style?
Only if he stole it in a romantic way
i think only kishimoto could answer that one
That's a good ass question
@@owenjohnson6955 i think for the sake of the entire chakra nature lesson we had that season, kakazu was written to just have the basic elements
@@bigcarnotaurus8857I mean sasori puppet keep the kazekage iron sand and magnet release so kakazu should get those if it possible for a puppet
I assumed the statement about the kage and sannin was basically just saying they were kage level not that the 3 were equals to the 5 kage
That's how I always took the statement. I think in a 1v1 Ohnoki alone literally atomizes all 3
@@6PathsGohan Im kind of tired of the orochimaru and tsunsde downplay cause Jirayaia is ass
@@gokublack3257he’s not ass but he’s definitely overvalued. Saw a few polls recently where he was beating them in a landslide of which one was the strongest. I don’t think there’s an argument to be had that he’s the strongest tbh.
@@gokublack3257 never said he is ass. But the Sannin where a stepping stone/scaling point in Part 1 for a reason
@@6PathsGohan The fact you genuinely think Ohnoki could handle them all maybe in his prime he could BEAT Tsunade or Orochimaru but based on feats he’s losing to Oro and I feel it could go either way with him and tsunade mid to high diff in favor of ohniki and that’s only because we have no speed feats for non flying Ohnoki
Please do an analysis of Anbu Itachi vs. Hebi Sasuke. Before MS Vs. Pre Orochimaru absorbed and MS vs. Orochimaru Absorbed. This would be a cool matchup because they're pretty close in age and skill.
Hebi would destroy him no diff anbu itachi is fodder can you see that version of itachi fighting deidara I can't even see Uchiha massacre itachi not getting one shot by deidara
20:28 Not saying it would change anything even remotely, but wouldn't Katsuyu's acid probably be at least partially if not entirely nature energy? I know we never have any evidence to show that "slug sage" is actually a thing, but 2 out of the 3 sanin summon types are confirmed sage creatures and Tsunade's grandfather had an unknown sage mode. So it would make sense if this massive forest slug with enormous healing properties used nature energy.
7:55“ When the sannin fight together they get 3x stronger “ that just sounds like complete madness 😭😭😭😭
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The thing I don't get about power scaling, and legit help me out here, is that pain beats up Naruto badly too. At that point in the story, it'd be wild to assume Naruto could beat what was the most powerful akatuski. The whole dang village combined could not beat him. I don't see the logic or the feats I guess that could back up naturos win. It happened because the author wanted it to. If any sannin fought pain, the author could always write a way for them to win if they so choose. Is there something I'm missing?
No, not really. Power scaling can be interesting to see how strong a character is, but, in the end of the day, who wins just depends on who's writing the story.
Yes the author could literally make anything happen but that doesn’t mean you can’t scale a little bit using feats. There will be a lot of inaccuracies since a human made the universe tho
Boruto Orochimaru Era speed blitzes all Six paths of Pain
We should've included him as a bonus round just for fun.
@@sixfromtokyo i'm glad you acknowledge that at least
what about the inclusion of war arc orochimaru
and madara ✅
@@sixfromtokyoYes! Imma fan of your work, glad you noticed my ideas!
Pretty good job guys. I liked all your points and it was a good debate and display of their power levels
It’s pretty much game over the moment Pain goes after Tsunade when she’s activated her seal.
One shinra Tensei broke every bone in Gamabunta’s body and launched him 2 other toads out of the village…how exactly do the Sannin deal with that
Orochimaru has no fucking bones how does Pain deal with that 🐍
@@leidenswerkzeugsnakes have bones....I think snakes have bones
@@leidenswerkzeug Well you’re wrong he does he just uses jutsu to soften his body. Pain stabs him and immobilizes him, rips his soul out, blows him up
Tsunades slug would shield Gamabunta
@@leidenswerkzeugfacts lmao
Mmma jiraya by himself is enough to Takedown more then half of the paths of pain the addition of tsunade and orochimaru along with their experience operating as a team makes them too much for pain. Tsunade and orochimaru are essentially immortal and all 3 have high level sage modes.
None of them have Sage mode except Jiraiya. Why in the fuck did you just make that up?
Erm no. He took on 3 paths of pain and only beat them due to hiding and using Ma and Pa. If all 6 were fighting him he'd have been defeated in about 10 seconds from the start. It took Jiraiya a long time to go sage mode and even then the entire time he was trying to enter sage mode he was only against the animal path. Even then he had to run and be careful. The 3 Sannin vs Pain get decimated by pain and there's no ifs ands or buts about it...
@@adamdonovan7269everything you said is wrong. Ma and pa are his summonings so therefore part of his arsenal. He even combined jutsu with them. He beat 3 of them fair and square while deducing their abilities. Pain even said Jiraya might’ve won if he knew the secret 😂😂😂
What do any of them do to planetary devastation?
Did we watch the same show???
Pain gets negged. The bias is absolutely wacky.
it was that biased but shit orochimaru had so many good feats, and tsunade was about to die bcz of her low chakra 😂
then again they usually are biased towards the likable characters which is why their channels are so big
Exactly lmao
Pain defeated the honzo of the salamander who the sannin could defeat.
@@pride2184 Rookie sannins vs prime hanzo. Pain defeated an old hanzo lol
Yo naruto is not stronger than the 3 sannin. It's not just about power but versatility. They beat pain because they have so many options. All 3 of them actually know shadow clone and although the 5th doesn't use jutsu usually, 2 of them have game changing and huge jutsu. Not to mention they are all smart . Also deva path can't spam anyway . If he knocked away tbe Summens then they lose
Glad to see TG Collabing with you and swag
thundergod deadass said the asura path beats Jiraiya 1v1 , the hell
I believe I was implying he could stall but, idk
@@ThunderGodTG it was a good vid regardless
Great video, I’m surprised so many people disagree in the comments. Even Edo Nagato would absolutely smoke the 3 sanin 😮💨
Nagato doesn't have the weaknesses Pain has which is the 5 sec delay since his power is how own power unlike the Pains whose chakra is being transmitted by Nagato and Pain would lose bruh...Tsunade's strong enough to break Madara's susanoo and the Pain:s durability aside from Tendo sucks being killed by punches and rasengans by Konohamaru...the Sannins get 3 times stronger/ more skilled as well when they work together ( it's stated)....Pain loses but high diff
The tsunade who fought madara destroys pain alone
No
@@Imre286 Yes, madara >>>>> pain, tsunade could crack his susanoo and keep up with him in speed. Pain is a sage mode naruto rival, he's getting stomped
@@khazraamv743💀💀💀💀
@@khazraamv743Madara was playing the whole time Dumbo and the 4 other kages were there
We got a man who got beaten by Pain, a woman who couldn't stand up to Pain, and a man who should be relative to either of these two.
It isn't looking too good.
Hilarious wording.
Granted if they all worked together they could definitely scrape out a win I’d say 6 times out of 10
@@lilscrublord151 Pain’s power difference is too great for their collective strength to have an impact. Kinda like Madara vs The Five Kage, but obviously at a smaller scale.
@@Khan-rz8qi wym how? Physically the Sannin can damage him as shown with Sage Jiraiya kicking the shit out of one of the pains. We already seen Orochimaru tank a almighty push before, granted he did get kinda folded and Tsunade should be able to damage all the paths the only thing stopping them from winning is the Rinnegan, numbers advantage and Pain’s strength/speed advantage which isn’t as bad when all 3 of them fight together
SO TRUE
I always interpreted pain saying he wouldn’t have won is related to the fact he had no idea his jiryia could use frog song, had all 6 bodies been there & caught under frog song, technically he would have won.
I would argue that part 1 Orichimaru does have intel on Pain. He's a former Akatsuki member not to mention Orichimaru has eyes and ears everywhere.
I like how the sannin are like 4 tailed Naruto level, and 15 y/o Minato straight up violates 7 tailed Kushina with sealing, and counters Kurama's bijuudama with a rasengan that he just figured out to fully form.
I wouldn’t say being half dead and bed riden after “violating” 7 tails 🤣🤣
kurama was still bound by the uzumaki chains
Violate is crazy considering he got a hole put in them
Minato had the fighting style to deal with such threats. If Orochimaru or Jiraiya learned Hiraishin, they'd do much better against tailed beasts, fast opponents, and one-shotters.
@@marciali3924 He clearly didn't want to hurt Kushina, he succeeded. He wanted to suppress Kurama, he succeeded. He clashed with Kurama in Kushina's inner world and countered a bijuudama from full Kurama, Sage Naruto with help from Kushina, Bee and Yamato could barely beat half of Kurama.
Jaraiya was able to take out 3 I’m positive a serious tsunade (katsuyu) and orochimaru(manda,hydra) would be more then enough to destroy pain imo and the manga wasn’t up for interpretation it clearly says if jaraiya would’ve knew about they probably couldn’t have one and your telling me give him Orochimaru and Tsunade they high diff pain
He was only able to take them out because of frog song tho, that’s like saying a chibaku tensei would trap all 3 sanin. It’s a way for him to win, but not realistic. Or saying the human path pulling out their soul. There’s plenty of quick easy wins on both sides. But I think he means more of realistically who’s more powerful and WOULD win, not how kishimoto had jiraiya beating 3 of them
@@davidquezada6398how is frog not realistic he used it disable 3 pains then Naruto used it In his fight .it's been used 2 time on pain and 2 hits idk how it's unrealistic for pain to get hit by it lmao
@@codbeast914 because he only got it on them while they were running thru some hallways chasing jiraiya, had it been a battle with their summons and everything I definitely feel like the pains wouldn’t all sit there and get hit by it lmao. The diva path couldn’t even use all mighty push in the rain village
@@davidquezada6398 pain ran headfirst into it in a giant crater plenty of space after he had seen it before there is no reason to think it won't work the 3rd
@@codbeast914 to me I feel like jiraiya wouldn’t use frog song, the pains should be spread out to deal with 3 separate opponents and even if EVERYONE is clumped up I don’t think jiraiya would use to it to avoid the rest of the sanin getting hit by it while they fight. I can definitely see frog song taking out maybe 1 pain but they just get brought back anyways. Regardless 1 move wins like that don’t seem realistic. Like if pain uses a chibaku tensei what are the sanin going to do to NOT get hit by it. At the end of the day i feel like it’d be a summons battle with a 3way deadlock and then eventually the sanin would lose
Sage Mode Jiraya with intel on the 6 pains could've won that battle with high difficulty. There's no way 6 pains would have a chance of taking on the 3 sannin. Nagato vs the 3 sannin is another story.
Nah I don't think he could have won even mid diff especially if Tendo Pain was there but I agree that with Orochimaru whose stronger than him and Tsunade who can break Madara's susanoo they definitely stand a chance again Pain and Six being six always discredits the Sannin
Pain's ability is the most lethal jumping humanely possible
I think what they meant by that is that Jiraiya would have approached that encounter differently. He could’ve escaped, backed off for reinforcements, helped the leaf form a plan. Which wouldn’t have been a win for Pain in that situation.
Wait, didn't Jiraiya beat most of the path himself solo?
If he has helped during that fight,he probably would've won.
For a moment I thought "Wait... right. Good thinking", but the dynamic changes when all six work together and Tendo Pain is another level than the other ones. At least his ability is a gsme changer. I also think the three Sannin will beat Pain, nonethless but it is not as simole as saying Jiraiya would be good for three of them, when all six are there.
@@-UnknownHeroand you gotta take into account that they fought in hidden rain where pain couldn’t go all out. I don’t see the sanin withstanding chibaku tensei, gedo statue and the jutsu pain used to erase the leaf. There’s just too much in pains arsenal that are overkill. Plus orochimaru and jiraiya aren’t allowed to make any real mistakes. Pain has atleast 1 revive before they take jigokudo path down.
Rain Village Pain(All 6 Paths)>All 3 SanNin Prime>=5 Kage
Based off of ?
bro bro…
5 kages > All Pains > Sannins
Pain > Madara Fight 5 Kage > Sannin
@@_rockystart_ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would give the win to the Sannin assuming they figure out that Nagato is the main body, which would be easier since he would have to bring out all paths from the start of the fight. From that point it becomes a stalling match until Orochimaru finds Nagato and kills him (getting himself some sweet eyes in the process).
Tsunade drastically increases Jiraya's survivability through healing. Orochimaru also has access to Edo Tensei to even the numbers. Sure, they wouldn't be as strong as the originals, but that's still something. And if we're going with war arc Orochimaru who has gotten his hands back, we'd be talking about Hiruzen, Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato. Suddenly we're looking at a 7v6 fight with an incredible firepower advantage on the Sannin's part.
LESSS GO ANOTHER SIX VIDEO.
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Tsunade simply hurts harder than sage Naruto with 100 healings, she would one shot the paths. So with the 5 second intervals, one hit would be enough for tendo and if they take down the one that revives the paths, its over really
A comment I’d expect from a kakuzu goon
@@BILLYNFU Yea cuz Tsunade cracking thru madaras rib cage and almost killing jiraiya in one punch base to base totally shows that she's the weak link
@@kakuzugoated873 none of those feats are even relevant. Try again .
@@BILLYNFUTsunades punch> weighted raikages chop>Giant rasengan
Pain is NOT winning the 6v3
fr. Orochimaru alone could pull off a W
Orochimaru has edo tensei. He is also far more analytical in battle. He has sword of Kusanagi. He has his Hydra form. He has his killing intent genjutsu.
Tsunade can interrupt most of the pain’s setting up combos by destroying terrain.
Jiraya could just be the opportunist attacker.
A collab with ThunderGod really made my morning good (it's 6:40 AM here)
I interpreted the 3 times skill when working together as by themselves they are 1 sannin but together there is 3. Making them 3 times strong than an individual
It’s referring to the interaction of their skills complementing each other.
For example Jiraiya with Katsuyu give him an incredible healing factor
So we gonna pretend like jiriya not the weakest of the sannin and he took out like 3 before he died… the saninn is smoking them
Bro who the hell is sayin jiraiya is weaker than tsunade?
@@lewiswilson4083he is lol
They only need to protect Orochimaru until he Edo Tensei Kakuzu. Then it’s all over for Pain.
damn
They act like jirya can’t also summon ma pa and the other 2 frogs which he has before lol so there would really be like 6-7 summons for them
The whole chatgpt for small UA-camrs being their basis for context is wiiiiilllldddddd
So you are telling me that Kakashi was able to almost kill 2 of the strongest paths of pain with a little help and Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru with Summons and Ma and Pa would stand no Chance?
Context matters. Deva path could have killed kakashi and them in an instant if he wanted.
They are just criminally underrating the sannin it‘s almost embarassing to watch. And this from such influential power scalers. I‘m ashamed
@@spit-firehe literally tried bro😂 he sucked kakashi into the ashura paths blade, if that wasn‘t a straight up kill attempt, i don‘t know what is😂
they did beat the asura but deva could’ve really done way more there if he found it necessary
@@spit-fire In fact the Deva path did instantly fold Kakashi AND Choza (who caught an attack from V2 Kinkaku) and everyone present once the Asura path died
Characters like Itachi, Nagato, Kisame, SM Naruto, Obito and MS Sasuke simply above sanin lv.
Do Madara vs Darth Vader
Madara one taps the genin lvl fodder that can hardly even dodge bullets.
@@Denzz2I mean movie vader and comic vader are two completely different people in terms of power
Juubidara: Planet Level
Canon Vader: Large Star Level
Legends Vader: Universal to Complex Multiversal
@@GeneFOX70im pretty sure Luke was one of the only few ppl to get that strong could be wrong but Vader really isn’t all that strong talking about Star Wars as a whole as a dark lord he gets easily beat from other dark lords and master so because he has to many weaknesses with his suit granted the emperor made it that way on purpose madara is stomping
I think the reason why this is negligible is because lots of people scale what happened to Jiraiya to overhype Pain. The problem was that Jiraiya was basically fighting blindly the whole fight meanwhile Pain had prep time and knew exactly what Jiraiya could do. It was a complete mismatch. Pain massively outscales Jiraiya, or this would have been the case UNTIL Nagato stated that Jiraiya would have defeated him if he knew about the Six Paths of Pain. Not even Pain's biggest supporters can refute this. Nagato admitted that Jiraiya would have not just done better but downright beaten all of the Pains if he had prep time.
Now times that by three. Not addition. Times.
lol thank you. This man six just needs videos.
Actually, it's more likely that the secret Nagato was referring to was his real body. In that case, Jiraiya would have won by attacking Nagato's weakened self rather than beating the 6 Pains.
Thunder God is such a great collaborator - he shares the space and really shows respect and admiration toward his collaborators. Six, not so much 😕
Tobirama vs pain ?
Pine claps him
@@thewritermichaelis200Depends on which scaling, are we using base alive Tobirama whom got clapped by the twins or Edo Tobirama that somehow blitzed Juubito.
@@judgemasterneimaz8260the twins dosent down scale at all
Pain slams
Plus, Kakashu was shaking in fear when he faced Orochimaru, he thought he could’ve died if a confrontation where to happen. Vs Pain you never see that fear, he just straights means business. Not implying this will determine the winner but it puts in perspective how powerful Oro can really be with his body fully healthy. He even was praised by Hashirama JUST FOR HIS KNOWLEDGE, he never saw him fighting.
who is kakashu LOL
One can just say that Pain arc Kakashi is stronger than part 1 Kakashi and the argument is dismissed
@@jaydm_0548 but kakashi almost killed itachi? which blitzed oro in his strongest form
@@hammelbear749Kakashi almost killed who?? Part 1 Itachi literally put Kakashi in a coma while not trying to fight. What show were YOU watching?
@@SuperPianogirl123 when they were anbu’s kakashi could’ve killed itachi
Jiraiya did defeat nagato in the end, and nagato was absolutely right about his secret and jiraiya.
As soon as he figured out the secret to his rinnegan, pain’s fate was sealed. Giving Naruto that intel+the other rinnegan intel was literally the largest contributing factor to Naruto winning.
I highly doubt pain ever meant he’d beat him in a straight up fight. At least, that’s how I always took it. The fact that he storms the leaf almost immediately after he recovers from the fight to get back the body and chakra receivers/ find Naruto was something I always thought reinforced that idea. Now I’m just speaking the obvious, but.. He was clearly worried because the rinnegan in particular isn’t as effective once people know it’s secrets. At least the way he used it, with the six paths. It’s the one weakness of pain; the split bodies and weakened original put pain in a position single body nagato would never have to worry about. All they have to do is send one high level ninja or squad after the main body and the six paths are in a predicament.
Jiraiya was possibly the only person on the planet that could have put two and two together and realized who pain was; he really was the only one that could “defeat” pain.
Orochimaru and kabuto might have been able to deduce some of his abilities, for example, but never his actual identity. They just didn’t have the clues and information jiraiya did.
Dude wasnt storming the leaf when jiraiya was there.
@@apoocumber4164 I mean, yeah. He was strong, but he wasn’t “fighting two sannin and a whole village at the same time as the 9 tails potentially” strong.
I feel like the Pain overall wins anyway, but I don't feel like Ma and Pa would be the only ones that could sense the Chameleon Summon, Manda and Orochimarus other Snakes should be able to also on account of them being Snakes in general. Not like it matters tho, just felt like the Chameleon summon isn't a deciding factor, the lack of options against the discrepancy in their numbers would easily be the reason why Pain can take this fight.
Its super blatant and very clear that the terms High-Kage-Level, Hokage-Level and Sannin-Level all effectively mean the exact same thing.
@@slevinchannel7589 So you just chose to not address anything I mentioned and drop a "Green and Greenlike are the same thing" thank you Kanye, very cool.
@@bchavez149 How speaking in general and not adressing your boring comment is 'Kayne West likee' is beyond me, but yeah, sure, we dont have to talk about what i said. Who cares? Honestly blatantlyy childish and imature how you go-off on me thoughh, thx for that
@@slevinchannel7589 My point: "Pain would still win, but Manda and the other snakes should be able to sense the Chameleon"
Your retort: "High-Kage level and Hokage level are the same thing"
Who asked for that response? It's like you're trying to sound smart while just verbally cosplaying as someone that got held back in 3rd grade.
34:39 So the Saninn have no intel nothing on Pain because they didn't fight the first time, but now suddenly Pain will recognize the song? Come the fuck on bro. Come on Six. Come on TG. I know frog song isn't likely but you should give the Sannin more credit. You also aren't giving Orochimaru enough credit considering how many snakes he can summon at one time.
So you‘re saying all 3 sannin togethet won‘t be able to take out a single path?😂 while jiraya alone took out 4? Bro wtf
In the story circumstances helped jiraiya also he only beat 3
@@Solkage885well he killed the animal path twice 😂
Y’all are being disingenuous, Jiraiya killing those 3 paths of pain was way easier than it would be to kill those same three when the six are gathered. If pain decided to 6v1 jiraiya from the start he wouldn’t even have a chance to use sage mode
@@voltonator7991 true he would end up like Naruto
@@voltonator7991 yeah but that‘s not the point. The point is, while pain has 3 additional paths to deal with jiraya, jiraya has 2 additional sannin to deal with the 6 paths. The sanning would destroy them
The secret was talking about Pain's main body. It's the main thing the Leaf was trying to figure out with the message.
The sanin can beat two paths of pain. So essentially they can divide them into a 2v1 . The sanin win mid-high diff. Orochimaru can use edo to revive the 1st 2nd and 4th hokage. If he can do that it's low to mid diff.
He said Katsuyu's acid is chakra... - I'm done!
It doesn’t work on juubito so it is chakra
@Solkage885 Katsuyu never used her acid against him. Gamakichi used a liquid move, I'll just call it mucus and juubito could not repel or absorb it. That's why naruto went sage mode and could damage him.
13:02 in relation to 4 tails Naruto, there's no indication that once the nine tails Chakra leaks out to 4 tails and beyond, that Naruto's own is relevant or necessary. His power is more or less shoved aside. Which means if 5 year old Naruto was to release the 4 tails it would be the same a 12 year old and 16 year old.
Pain really didn't need to create the Akatsuki. He could have solo'd every village.
It makes me wonder, if Lady Katsuyu split herself in order to provide a bit of healing and intel, if the Sannin managed to single out 2 Pains each to fight (let's say it's in the Rain Village for this example), would Jiraiya, in Sage Mode, even be able to touch or receive any of her healing?
Since Lady Katsuyu is a sage creature and Jiraiya is hopped up on frog sage chakra that's even a bit out of control because he's not a perfect Sage, how would Katsuyu's nature energy mingle with his? Would Jiraiya start to turn into a half frog, half slug? Or would Katsuyu start to turn into a frog?
It also leaves me confused as to if the Preta path could absorb her acid. Since it's coming from a sage creature, then absorbing it would be detrimental, no? Or is it only from direct contact to a constant stream of natural energy, like when he full nelson'd Sage Naruto?
A very good and very true analysis,sadly for the fans of the Sannin. Every good tool and argument is handled w good form and wording as one would expect from these two ^^
Let’s gooo can’t wait to get home from work roll up and watch 💯
Whys nobody ever mention that even though JIraya fought the non combatitive paths, they were in the rain village, amped.
SixFromTokyoooo Ass Boy is back, and my pain is greater than yours
0:48 bro became an ENTIRELY different person 💀💀💀
I think the sannin are being a bit underrated. It doesn’t makes sense even if jiraiya beat the weaker pains you have tsunade using chakra to heal them and a huge pool while saying so while Orochimaru could use something like reanimating to also help like he did against hiruzen and even if not he could do other jutsu to handle the pains the only issue I see is chibaku tensei
Orochi can heal tsuande can use 100 seals buff thier jutsu and heal also jirya have frog song to hit multipe ppl so if it deva path it gg but with hard to do but if pain use chibuku tensei their finish but i think they cna defeat him before tht
They could've also scaled base tsunade to 4 tails Naruto cause jiraya states that he was only close to dying two times in his life and one of them was from 4 tails and the other from tsunade. So there attack power is comparable.
Edit .Before someone says this happened a long time ago and jiraya was weaker, than tsunade would also be weaker at the time so it doesn't negate the scaling cause we know they all get stronger.
Kaguya otsutsuki is a representation you either die a hero or live long enough to become a monster she became a monster especially when the ten-tails got involved
W vid as always
Preciate it.
Sannin are severely undermined here even though they do lose if Pain decides to use Planetery Devastation.
Did u get a new channel or sum, could’ve sworn u had more subs. Dope vid tho
That was pretty dope. A versus came to mind while watching this. Sasori and Deidara Vs Naruto, Sakura, Chiyo, and Kakashi (all from the Kazekage Rescue Mission Arc). I have no idea how one sided this is or if it’s even fair but it could be fun
As for the three Sages one really only one of them is the point is either they mop pain by working together perfectly or they get massacred by pain