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The Evolutionary Psychology Of Anxiety & Depression - Ed Hagen
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Ed Hagen is an evolutionary anthropologist, Professor at Washington State University, a researcher and an author.
Low mood, depression and anxiety are states we will all become familiar with at some point in our lives. But why did evolution create a creature that is able to contemplate so much complexity that sometimes it suffers psychologically? Why are we wired to feel this way and how are we able to pull ourselves out?
Expect to learn the evolutionary reason why humans get depressed, how postpartum depression is adaptive, why being strong can lower your chances of depression, how evolutionary theory can improve all of medicine, why women are so much more depressed on average than men, why humans are even capable of suicide and much more...
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00:00 Intro
00:38 Why Has Depression Survived Evolution?
05:42 Explaining Depressive Symptoms
15:00 The Sex Difference in Depression
19:23 Can You Become Less Depressed by Becoming Stronger?
23:30 Why Men Commit Suicide More Than Women
29:41 Why Natural Selection Hasn’t Made Suicide Impossible
35:14 Age as a Factor in Suicide Statistics
41:06 The Cause of Post-Partum Depression
47:31 Is Evolutionary Psychology Racist?
53:38 Critiques of Evolutionary Psychology
56:28 Music’s Role in Evolution
1:02:50 Where to Find Ed
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Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than UA-cam by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - apple.co/2MNqIgw. Here’s the timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:38 Why Has Depression Survived Evolution?
05:42 Explaining Depressive Symptoms
15:00 The Sex Difference in Depression
19:23 Can You Become Less Depressed by Becoming Stronger?
23:30 Why Men Commit Suicide More Than Women
29:41 Why Natural Selection Hasn’t Made Suicide Impossible
35:14 Age as a Factor in Suicide Statistics
41:06 The Cause of Post-Partum Depression
47:31 Is Evolutionary Psychology Racist?
53:38 Critiques of Evolutionary Psychology
56:28 Music’s Role in Evolution
1:02:50 Where to Find Ed
A Too long time since your last evolutionary psychology interview. Great we have them back!
As a clinical psychologist this was one of the most interesting podcasts I’ve heard in a while. Well done Chris
I didn't hear much about anxiety in this conversation, despite it being in the title. This let me down a little, even though it was great, because I'm actually more interested in anxiety than in depression.
Exactly what Ted kazcinski said
When did the definition of “depression” change to become synonymous with “misery”? I remember when they were distinct.
Everything has been medicalized.
Maybe some nuggets of truth in here but largely highly speculative.
-Depression as a form of signaling is an ineffective method
-Suicide as a form of signaling is overly costly
-Strength differences are more simply explained by less depressed people being more active
Not everything has to be an adaptation, it can just be a fault.
The strength aspect I feel you're right on but it would be interesting to see the correlation between size and depression and that would support this theory. Men who are naturally bigger and therefore stronger may have less depression for that reason. I have no idea what the stats are or even if it has been looked at. I'd like to see the research he's referring to
Chris...the description of adversity as a personal curse that feels curated and individualized - that's such an accurate description...wow spot on, man
I figured out depression is correlated to physical strength when I was pregnant and post-partum. This is especially true when you dont have supportive family, as many women are isolated with men who think they're crazy, gold diggers, dramatic, lazy, etc.
Men..
They ruin everything
Yeh fricken men hey, I just hate then soooo much. They're just the worst. Am I right ?
@@Steven19886 hell yeah we do!
Correlation right not causation
This is evolutionary anthropology and ties to psychological context of modern depression seems a bit far fetched. I listened to this twice and felt like there wasn't much of precise information or interesting thoughts on depression or anxiety.
Nope... just usless word salad
Thank you! Great episode! My only complaint is that the cat didn't get more screen time. I think that depression is a very complex matter and that it can be approached from various different angles without ever fully comprehend it. It was really interesting to see it from the point of view of evolutionary psychology
Great work Chris!
Curious that they talked about suicide, disparities in suicide statistics, then race, and failed to mention the huge disparities in suicide rates between different races.
Also curious how when discussing race, this alleged scientist jumped to denounce "bad papers" as if the quality of research is dependent on its results. Really felt like him saying "please don't cancel me, I won't do wrongthing". I'd call it snivelling cowardice but it hardly sets him apart from most of academia.
This man is not an academic. This man is a worm that wriggled his way into academia by stroking the egos of the people who sign grant checks.
I wonder if societies with stronger "communal" cultures have higher suicide rates. When looked at on an individual level, suicide is hard to justify evolutionarily but on a group level it makes sense. I'm not in any way encouraging or condoning suicide but from a purely logical point of view, if for example a member of a group in an extreme situation of finite resources if a member of a family feels like have a net-negative impact on the groups survival (injured/non-productive, etc) removing themselves from the group may actually increase the group's chances of survival. In this sense, suicide can be seen as an honorable form of self-sacrifice for the sake of the group. This applies even from a genetic point of view because lets say a multigenerational family is on a raft and the kids are starving, an older member who is too weak to help with resource gathering could potentially choose to drop into the water while everyone else is sleeping to not feel like a burden to the group. That members genes still pass on through the rest of the family members on the raft. Very dark subject matter and I hate to be the one to say it but it's just strange that when this topic comes up the self-sacrifice angle is never considered. War is another example where a person knowingly choosing certain death can have an overall benefit to their group or family.
I agree on the follies of this episode. This speaker didn't seem too right in everything asides some of the fair points. But, for starters, he still believes in the out of Africa theory.
The disparity in what people have achieved in their life, compared to people of a similar age, probably goes up as people age. Added-to-this, there's less time to rectify this issue with age.
Am I the only one that gets a sense that a ton of his reasons behind depression basically all involve blaming men? Post partum is because the dad doesn’t support enough, women are depressed because they are being abused by a man and are crying for help, etc. Meanwhile no real analysis of why so many men actually kill themselves with real intent.
The men kill themselves because they don't seek professional help for their depression
Women problems are men faults.
Men problems are men faults.
Never take account of responsability.
@Ham Sandwich this is true. The therapy system is designed in a way that just doesn’t work for men. Found this out whilst researching for a group that supports men’s mental health.
@Ham Sandwich I’m glad there’s more awareness of this but changes need to happen quicker
@@anista1390 that’s because most of our systems regarding learning and mental health are designed for women. That’s why most therapists and teachers are women. They are all setup to say that the only way to learn is to sit down and read, or to talk about your feelings. Men and women are different and need different solutions.
Intense rumination....yes, I deal with this daily. Sucks all the mental energy.
Chris - strength is a highly neurological while other body parameters are not that much dependable on nervous system. If you have depression your strengths also drops. So there is IMO big correlation between those two. But its not causality - there are many strongman, bodybuilders, powerlifters with a depression.
I was always wondering why only upper strength and not also lower body strength difference is taken between two sexes. If you compare squat, deadlift, clean etc. so exercises where lower body is heavily involved, the difference is huge. Also time of the strength adaptations are different. I think that they were comparing "normal" population which was kinda not doing anything connected with strength training - and in that situation I think it will be true.
A Too long time since your last evolutionary psychology interview. Great we have them back!
IQ research that is very "problematic" spoken like a true npc.
I’m not convinced hand grip is the best for indicating upper body strength. Be great to see other forms of measures for this. Great conversation, thanks Chris.
I agree with you. However, I still feel that I learnt a lot from Ed Hagen.
Grip strength kind of sets the upper limit for a lot of upper body strength exercises. For anything other than palms flat pushing exercises, you can only lift/pull as much as you can hold on to with your hands (grip assistance aside). If you have a strong grip you can't necessarily lift to the full potential of your grip, but if you have a weak grip you definitely can't lift more than your grip can hold unassisted.
@@bigheadrhino Interesting! Thank you! I obviously don't work out enough to know this haha Thank you again
@@Romie15 me too. 😊
@@bigheadrhino ah, so grip strength indicates a rough threshold for the upper limits of one's upper body strength
Strong people: Happy 😊
Weak people: Sad 😔
All memes have nuggets of truth
Very interesting, thank you! Anecdotally I’ve heard women have a stronger self-preservation instinct and so are less likely to engage in risky behaviors, even on the level of doing forward rolls and stuff like that (which is not risky per se but can be tagged by the brain as creating physical danger). It doesn’t mean of course that women can’t do acrobatics or intentionally hurt themselves, but it does suggest that there’s a stronger psychological barrier there. So maybe the lower “success” rates of women’s attempts could be explained by this maxed out self preservation instinct: they are more likely to stop earlier in the course of the attempt, having done less actual damage.
And as for music, donnow about the evolutionary side of it, but it seems much easier to remember huge chunks of data if it is rhythmically organized, either as a song or as a verse (if as both - even better). So if you need to pass on some valuable (and voluminous) cultural information through generations, in the absence of writing rhythmic recitation comes in handy.
Most psychological issues in humans stem from our (collective) inability to understand how our human brain developed and therefore who we really are. It is a psychosis originating from when we departed from our non-human ancestors. We generally became psychotic from our instincts fighting our newly acquired "self aware" neurons whenever we decide to behave in a non-instinctive way and neither our instinctive nor our cognitive neurons know why they can't control what we do - or we get this sense of doing something wrong. The further we have departed from our instinctive behavior, the worse the internal conflicts gets - the more psychotic we get. It's completely understandable when we realize that 90% of our brain is almost identical to our prehuman ancestors. We need to get to terms with our human condition before we all become insane.
Please check the definition of "psychotic" and "psychosis", for it means something else than what you are using it for.
Otherwise It's a very valid point. Mental health workers in the future should work towards designing more evolutionary apt environments for us.
@@vsichkismeludithank you for your comment. I'm using psychotic as an instance of psychosis I believe but I'm very interested in a better description so feel free to let me know.
@@vsichkismeludi it could probably also be a neurosis but it is basically an internal battle between instincts and consciousness where non of the participants know the existence of each other but the feel the stress of the other part without knowing where it comes from. Now the cognitive neuron's are most likely to be able to figure out what is going on (as i just described) so they have to do what it takes to relieve the stress from the instinctive neurons. I'm sure it's doable without going back to being an ape but it requires nurturing.
41:10 Bring Richard Haier to the show!
5:03 highlight of the interview
Step one: listen to Huberman’s podcast on mushrooms
Step two: follow the podcast and take mushrooms introspectively
Step three: begin the journey of lifelong learning
Mushrooms don't work in everybody, those it doesn't work for need lsd or Ayahuasca, it wakes people up from indoctrination too.
A podcast is the last thing I wanna hear on mushrooms lmao
Fascinating!!
The term depression is too broad to be of much use in a technical discussion, even less to do research on.
A recently widowed 35yo housewife has very little in common disease-wise and treatment-wise with a 54yo engineer who was physically and psychologically abused as a child to the point he has been on a roller-coaster of the entire list of symptoms since puberty, or a young girl with a non-traumatic history and a genetically induced brain chemical imbalance. But all are diagnosed with "Depression" and researchers get grants to study this general diagnosis.
Diagnosis needs to be more specific. Research needs to be more specific.
My qualifications: I'm the 54yo engineer.
The non-specificity of the term "depression" is a sad joke. You cant solve a complex problem defining it so generally. It's the intellectual equivalent of taking your car to a mechanic and being told it's "not performing correctly, " Research indicates causes of "not performing correctly" are mostly engine problems, then transmission problems, and/or a few suspension problems.
Yes, I'm frustrated and with good reason.
This is a very good point. If psychologists actually understood mental illness, rates would be going down rather than up. Our failure to understand it must stem at least in part from failure to make the distinctions you described.
More people need to begin the conversation talking about the toxic soup we’re swimming in. Let’s have a look at auto-immune disorders, cancer, mental illness, etc in the absence of all the endocrine disrupters
Alot of athletes have depression
Hi Chris, could you interview Helen Fisher please
No, we should interview you
Awesome stuff 🤌
depression caused by bad shit happening over and over. Brilliant!
This guy looks exactly how i would have imagined him......keep up the strength training
He tries to counteract Chris's assertion that men commit suicide more than women by pointing out China as an exception, saying that more women do it there, but the basic statistic is still true, it's just that the ratio is closer.
Very interesting
Love the content Chris. Been subscribed for a while and you're making a positive change in the world.
One question though: why do you occasionally drop F bombs in these kind of serious intelligent interviews?
I'm not offended , I swear a LOT myself, but it tends to be when I'm angry or trying to add emphasis to a word.
It just stands out from the rest of the interview and the careful choice of words used by both you and the interviewee.
Only thing I says about this man’s hypothesis is “CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUATE CAUSATION!”. What you are saying are correlation but not causation.
Coming from 2 decades of experience both experiencing and self educating about mental health.
If women are depressed because men are stronger, why is it getting so much worse so quickly? The rate of women on antidepressants has skyrocketed and younger girls reporting depressive symptoms rose over 100% since 2014. It’s not like men are changing that much.
Great conversation. The guest shows a little lack of insight on the issue of suicide To simplify: those who attempt suicide want to live.....t's more they desire for something to STOP (mental pain. This is what happens when you "study" things without REAL experience of the phenomenon. "Signaling" is false framework....to be generous to the guest.
I don't listen to anyone about depression anymore. Legalize hallucinogenics and psychology will go out of Business -and it is a business of creating permanent patients just like the medical industry is these days.
Wish we all had it figured out like you do. 😂
It's probably more to do with relative strength than absolute strength. If you are the strongest person in a village of weaklings you're probably unlikely to be depressed, whereas an even stronger person in a village of strong people is probably depressed.
I mean, if the cause of the depression is comparison then yeah probably. I think Ed Hagen is just saying that better physical health leads to better mental health. We've separated physical from mental in the west
This doesn’t jive with experience. I know some brutally strong (upper body, but the whole thing) people who suffer from debilitating depression.
I am glad that cat made an appearance. 🐱
Hahaha Chris and Ed Hagen did a great job in this episode but we all know that the star was the cat!
Resilience. That's the ticket.
What episode is this from?
It makes sense that 40 to 45 year old men have less frequency of suicidal thoughts, but higher completion. Men typically hit their financial stride at 40 to 45 so less likely to have suicide thoughts but if you’re one of the few men who don’t have anything going for yourself at 40 to 45 you don’t have a lot of life left for potential so you’re more likely to end it.
Eureka, I've solved it! Listening to that guy depresses me.
53:00 Just so stories
I think his theory on music is bad. Synchronicity is a much better theory. For a group to move as one body is far more important in group conflict than for the groups to be incidentally moving as one group to show off how unified and thus how impressive they are. He has the causality reversed. It's very hard to do things when you're not synchronized, even just carrying e.g., a table from one room to the other is a nightmare with a partner that can't anticipate your movements and vice versa.
I also think music synchronizes not just movement but everything beneath the movement that leads into it. It puts you in the state of mind as your partners, so you will think the same thing at the same time that they think it. Cinema demonstrates this perfectly, with music "manipulating" the audience into all feeling the same thing, when seeing a scene that could be interpreted in multiple different ways. It doesn't just make you move, but also makes you think the same, which makes you all take the same "independent" decisions when moving as a group.
Music affects the internal rhythms that govern all our behaviours and directs them towards whatever the purpose of the music is.
imo.
He was too focused on signaling, as if these behaviours have no purpose except as costly forms of communication. A really obvious one, so it's conspicuous he didn't mention it, was how there's plenty of good reasons to kill yourself, if e.g., you're not contributing anything to your tribe (carriers of your genes) but you're consuming resources. It's actually a gain of evolutionary fitness to kill yourself in that case, because what evolutionary fitness rests on is not the vehicle ("the person") but the genes. You can be sure this is what's causing all those white men to be killing themselves, btw. They deem themselves (because of all their various problems such as drug abuse and inability to economically contribute) not just worthless but of negative value and rationally decide to kill themselves. Whether they are correct on that or not is another matter that he entirely sidestepped by ignoring this explanation.
I believe the reason for music is as he said it is much easier to remember song lyrics than other kinds of communication. Song would have been a way of passing on important information through the generations, before writing was known.
Great comment. These explanations make much more sense. His music theory just completely ignored the deep instinctive reaction we have to rhythm especially drum beats. And it seems obvious that the suicide tendency is about group survival as opposed to individual which perfectly explains why so many men feel suicidal when they feel they can’t provide or have had a job or financial loss.
@@anista1390 To my mind this also explains the suicidal rate of the elderly. In hunter gathering tribes, that existed in my country until the twentieth century, it was common for the elderly and infants to be abandoned to starve, if they hindered the tribes Walkabout.
Even today, elderly people stop eating, for often many weeks before they die.
@@grannyannie2948 that’s an interesting point. I’ve noticed this happen too.
I now see the age old question "how much you bench bro?" in an entirely new light.
Since you value elocution, a small correction at the very beginning; the plural of phenomenon is phenonema not phenomenons*; this is prescriptive and if you don't care, that is fine, but I thought I would nonetheless draw your attention to it, should you desire to apply it in the future.
That really tells me who is talking when they couldn't say that correctly.
@@Yumicpcake In what sense?
@@spellandshield The guy is a quack. OOPS ,I didn't know it was Chris who said that, my apologies if I offended.
The worst trend is the use of “phenomena” and “data” as singular (Jordon Peterson), but “phenomenons” is baffling.
@@realistic_delinquent I think it is very rare these days for people to use data in the plural, save for certain academics.
IT'S WHEN THE FUTURE CHANGES IN A BAD WAY, OR THERE'S NOTHING GOOD OR INSPIRING IN THE FUTURE OF THAT PERSON,.. THE OTHER DEPRESSION IS CLINICAL.... SIMPLE....
Let’s get to the true experts here in the UA-cam comments 😂😂😂
So true! I think that this goes to show that it was a thought challenging episode. Otherwise, the comment area is pretty chill
Being stronger in your upper body doesn't solve your depression issues. As most men are stronger than women, they still struggle when it comes to finding love, intimacy, and genuine connection with females. The more men focus on themselves (eg. working out), the less social they are and will experience increasingly amount of loneliness, anxiety, and depression.
this was a fascinating episode!
While this might be a/the evolutionary driver of suicidal behaviour, I think it's important to remember that the goal of the human isn't nessecarily the evolutionary destination (that's why we invented contraception). The function might be to seek help even if the genuin intention is to end the suffering.
Everything in this podcast… made me sad. Except for that cat. Bring back the cat.
But my feelings though. 😢
A lot of hypothesis based on perceived correlation. I see horses pushing the cart here.
I really wanted to absorb this content but the guest is difficult to listen to 😢 I wish he would speak with the passion I’m sure he feels
What if it is a medical reason why all my friends have disappeared..?
The emotional pain hasn’t changed in 12 years.
i have a rly hard time taking any scientist who'd use the term "problematic" seriously...alot of what he says rings true..buut he strikes me as someone who's been compromised by political correctness by his refusal to address empirical evidence of behavioral differences that arise in distinct populations...perhaps hes shackled by a censorious admin/funders but for an evolutionary psychologist to suggest that populations isolated over thousands of generations could diverge physically and NOT mentally/behaviorally....thats rly dumb and reeks of progressive "science"
Cochran and Harpending, 'The 10,000 Year Explosion' addresses this issue very interestingly.
Here's another one, depression caused by not being able to take vengeance on someone who's done you wrong, especially the criminality of the laws and the system......
The cat of adversity. :)
So they accounted for physical strength, but how did they account for the relationship between depression and not training/physical strength?
Honestly this just seems to me like they took the two populations, cut out the depressed people that had trouble getting out of bed, then said "look there are no differences (because we cut out all the people that made the difference)".
A whole lot of BS to claim that depression is related to upper body strength. Then adversity is a vague term. There is very harsh violence like sexual & intimate partner and harsh bullying/harassment at work place etc. These are very severe forms if violence which can cause not only depression, but also severe physical pain, marginalization, substance abuse and even suicide. Not everybody experiences these and especially when they last years and decades you cannot describe it as just "adversity" meaning that it relates to "upper body strength".
Tate was right - get jacked and then get back to me
"Depression is caused by adversity"
While it is true that many of the people I know who have endured severe and sustained adversity also have depression the majority of people I am aware of who have depression have never sustained any amount of true adversity in their lives.
The statement by the expert here rings false to my ears.
Yup, a total quack.
Have you never heard of the term anecdotal evidence? I think I'll go by the expert rather than random internet commenter.
@@sibyloftexas have you heard of "reading comprehension" my statement is clearly made as an anecdotal observation.
Additionally a call to authority is a senseless midwit tactic. Are you sincerely saying an "expert" is never incorrect or mistaken or had an agenda? I'm not even saying this guys does or that my anecdotal observation trips his study. What I am saying is to discount all of ones personal experiences simply because an "expert" has a contrary stance is silly.
@@thedaythatendsinY have you heard of the Dunning Krueger effect? Because you're the epitome of it. And you call me a midwit. Wow.
Agreed. It's LACK OF PURPOSE that fuels depression, not having to deal with adversity.
Wow. I'm sorry, but there was nothing here to explain something as costly as depression.
We've known for years what depression is. We can actually cause it. Put any animal in a cage, and in time it will get depressed. Put a human in solitary confinement, and in time they become depressed. Give a mouse an electric shock every time it tries to eat a pellet, and it gives up and becomes depressed.
Depression is a LACK OF AGENCY. The inability to change our circumstances. We get depressed when we lose a loved one because we WANT THEM BUT CAN'T CONTROL LOSING THEM, particularly after a death. You are not only dealing with extraordinary pain - and so become mentally numb so you don't lose your mind - you are powerless to change it. We can get stuck in prolonged mourning. What's the cure for that? Start dating and find a new love. This works for any lost love unless you get stuck.
So long as you still want what hurt you, there will be no end in sight to that depression. You will not heal until you decide you want something else you CAN have. Suicide makes absolute sense because you are POWERLESS to your own circumstances and become useless to the group, so staying alive is a waste of resources to the pack. You are useless to others, and yourself, so why should they support you? You are a drag to the others. You offer nothing.
When your child dies, you are absolutely guaranteed to get depressed (ever talked to a woman whose child died in childbirth? There is NOTHING more agonizing. Nature teaches a woman a lesson here. HARD.). Post-partum depression is common even if the child doesn't die. I think that's a remnant, perhaps an error, of a system in place in the event children die - which was very common before modern medicine. If you can't bring forth offspring that survive, nature doesn't care about you. Again, you are powerless and useless, **per evolution,** who is as cold and heartless as that burning ball of helium in the sky.
That strength should be correlated to depression is simply because stronger people HAVE MORE AGENCY. Even a mother who loses her offspring can go on to heal if she does not ruminate, does not get stuck, goes on to live with meaning, or does something purposeful like adopting a child in need to replace hers - you see this in animals, too. Again, having AGENCY.
This gentleman never addressed anxiety. That's a signal from the body of danger. If we don't know what it's warning us of, we have to dig into our unconscious for the thing that's threatening us. We aren't always aware of what that is. And sometimes, it's just awareness of our own death. Which incidentally, we are powerless to do anything about, in case you're wondering why so many people get depressed as they get older.
We should expect depression to get worse in our modern culture. Why? Because we are more attached to THIS life than ever. We don't believe in afterlives like we used to, we are losing our delusions of the supernatural (which nature evolved for us to keep us from depression and insanity), and we are dying and know it. Our lives are meaningless and it's becoming clearer than ever.
Unless you want to fall under the tyranny of depression, my advice to anyone reading this is to **find something that gives your life meaning and purpose that you can make progress in and control.** That's actually the recipe for happiness, by the way. Good luck!
I stopped at 22 minutes because of a lack of time. Forgive me if he goes on to address anything I wrote beyond that.
Very useful, thanks
I wonder how Gripstrength can positively impact mood. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Algorithm
Interesting topics, but this old man lacks actual knowledge and his findings are does not explain the reasoning behind these issues.
This dude smacks lips way too much
I like what he's saying but i feel like he could delve deeper into these topics, instead of just sticking to the factual, agreed upon conclusions of research.
The idea of suicide being a credible signal for help could be deeper, i feel like suicidality isn’t an absolute signal, but rather the methods of suicide. Not all methods result in help which means there's more to it. Risky and dangerous behaviours may not trigger a signal but stuff like excessive bodily harm will, but why, if both methods could still result in death? And the success rates will vary from gender and culture, what works for one person may not for another - why? I feel like this is all getting ignored and therefore obfuscates how we should react to said signals. Hell, suicidal ideation looks different from person to person, but with such strick criteria biased towards certain demographics, we end up ignoring the other forms it can take outside of the norm. Super complex stuff. I also feel like men tend towards extreme modes of suicide is because the cost to trigger this "help me" signal is extraordinarily high in Western culture, meaning "cheaper' options like overdosing, bodily harm and ideation just aren't options to begin with. Combine that with their proclivity to be isolated and fewer social resources means we have a very scary recipe for male suicide. Saying they just have less self-preservation is reductionist.
You need to go to da gym to get da gurlza. Getting laid is a great treatment for depression.
I can't believe this guy studied for so many years so that he could state what is pretty obvious.
It used to be obvious that the sun went around the earth. Your hubris will get you nowhere
@@Jhawk_2k It's obvious you don't know what hubris means. To question the veracity of pseudointellectuals is not hubris. Keep away from the big words, mate.
I think people have an instict to self delete because their relatives are more likely to survive if the depressed, burdensome, low social value member dies.
Think about what it would take for a hunter gatherer to be depressed. They would have to be incredibly low social/sexual value, and burdening the tribe in some way.
I wish could listen to this.
But that goddamn smacking...
I'm I being unreasonable?
lots and lots and lots of meaningless isolating labor and isolated living. and less and less instances of people engaging their inborn humanity/togetherness
Simply enjoying the non-competitive, non-presumptive company of another human being is sadly becoming a rare privilege.
Sad,,, when this is what God wants for us. Every part of today's circumstantial "necessities" ruthlessly directs away from each other, toward an utterly inhumane way of existing.
Once I do X, THEN I can be happy.... All I have to do is one, two more Y, and THEN I'll see the payoff.. Life wasn't meant to be easy right? I just need to sacrifice X more opportunities for real meaning to happen, and THEN I'll finally be in a place to actually enjoy my life/make actual life memories, etc... In the meantime, just need to keep chasing and chasing and chasing.. and ..whoops I'm 60 now and I have no memories
If only I would've worked HARDER!
Music leads to dancing. Dancing leads to sex.
It's really distracting listening to this guy smack the roof of his mouth every 5 seconds. I couldn't finish the episode.
There's something missing.
A dystopian period of female depression is on the horizon when men refuse to marry them en masse.
Seems like it's the other way around. Half of children are born out-of-wedlock in the Latin America and the OECD (excluding Asia). What do we need to get married for? So we can have another child in the house to take care of?
@@sibyloftexas i think its both ways, actually. just for different reasons. there's alot of talk of incels, but what people fail to recognise in that discussion is that there are a similar, but different, group of women who wont accept anything but perfection, and end up deeply unhappy as a result. if these 2 groups could somehow get over their butthurt of each other, the problem would be largely solved. but both sides have the same overarching issue - they expect something unrealistic.
the men start to hate women because they feel like their intimate/sexual needs are not being fulfilled. not even taking into consideration that no woman wants to be with a pessimistic asshole like that, effectively shooting themselves in the foot (or rather, blowing the whole damn leg off)
the women expect all men to treat them like queens, have a high paying job, perfect jawline and be perfectly fit.
if both sides cut the others a bit of slack, everyone would be happy. but ego is a fragile thing.
edit: obviously this doesnt apply to everyone. better add this before someone gets triggered. its my subjective perspective from what i've seen from family and friends. but once i started sharing this viewpoint with both male and female friends, they started paying attention, changed their swipe habits, and are better off for it. do with the information what you will ^^
@@migah139 This is where I unironically see a local dictatorship grow.
Promise a bunch of guys wives
Promise a bunch of girls husbands
Won't be prefect never is but a lot of people will be infinitely less bitter at the opposite gender.
Keep flattering yourself with these revenge fantasies. 😂
@@migah139 I’m not going to date a misogynist, and other woman shouldn’t either. It’s better to be single than be subjected to their abuse.
Why does none of this seem to make sense in an evo psych context? Like it seems like the guys is saying nothing but anything he does say doesnt make sense.
weak guest
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So go pump some iron, and you won’t be depressed. Seriously? He needs to spend some time just being empathetic with others, without trying to figure them out.