Was BABY REINDEER A LIE?! Body Language Analyst REACTS to Fiona Harvey on Piers Morgan Uncensored!
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- She claims the whole show is fake! The series "Baby Reindeer" has been turning heads all over the world. The gripping story of an aspiring comedian and his eccentric stalker is said to be based on a true story about the lead actor's real life experience, but the woman who the stalker character is based on strongly disagrees! In an interview with Piers Morgan, Fiona Harvey (formerly Fiona Muir) claims that none of what the show has portrayed about her is true. But what do her body language, facial expressions and word choice reveal and what really happened between her and Richard Gadd? Find out now!
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01:54 Fiona Harvey Body Language
07:12 Is She Lying?
14:40 The 41 000 emails!
19:52 Did Fiona Really Go To Jail?
20:04 She Does NOT Like This
35:20 Did Piers Catch Fiona Lying?
42:00 She Changed Her Story
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Epiphany!!!
Hey everyone I hope you’re enjoying the analysis 😊. I have a bunch of extra thoughts some of which are a result of your brilliant comments and I might add to this post later but I just had an epiphany that I wanted to share!
I realized another big big reason I believe the court scene is potentially fabricated. I can’t believe it didn’t hit me earlier but… Martha pleads guilty!
Listen to Fiona talk, nothing is ever her fault. This is not a woman who would have plead guilty.
So maybe there are some elements of truth to the court scene but between her unwavering denials, her constantly bringing that specific subject up and the fact that she just doesn’t seem the “plead guilty” type I think a lot of that is made up for dramatic effect.
Also, a few commenters have said that Richard has confirmed in an interview that the jail thing was made up. Can anyone drop any links of that interview in the replies here or tell me what interview that was in? I would love to see that.
Omg!!!!😳 wow! Just when I thought your analysis was perfect you drop this little gem. Of course she wouldn’t plead guilty. Even the way she was denying everything about Laura Wray, such a great epiphany. Can’t wait to hear more 😆
She also says she changed her surname after her parents were divorced - likely in anticipation of Piers asking if she changed because of the media attention caused by her previous stalking - then later says her parents divorced when she was 9. So clearly she changed it at least 15-20 years after their divorce.
Just another clear deception.
I absolutely agree with you about that scene and how Fiona wouldn't have pleaded guilty. I wondered when I saw it, whether it was something he was daydreaming about happening. I didn't expect her to do it in the programme. So I agree. That part was made up.
I was thinking that scene is very common in trauma therapy. The person plays out what they wish could have been the outcome. We don't know how much involvement he had in suggesting or including that but it would make sense. He wants to maintain the nice guy, cares about her, would never do that side but must have a lot of anger and shame and would have preferred to feel safe. I wonder if he's been to actual therapy about all of this trauma.
Oh yes, of course, it makes sense now
So she wants to sue Netflix over a show she's never seen, for defamatory reasons because the Antagonist, who she isn't, is doing things she didn't do. Make it make sense. 😂
THIS this describes this perfectly.
Insane. The lawyer who is representing her better watch his back
Her lawyer boyfriend maybe 🤔
Waittt, did I miss that?? Seriously asking, because I don't remember her saying this story isn't about her. In this interview, she acknowledges that she noticed it was about her after seeing his Baby Reindeer play years ago. Unless she also says it isn't about her somewhere else in the interview lmao..
@@michie219 she said it won't be him.
There's no way a crazy stalker did NOT watch a show about herself
Agree 100%
She prob watches the whole thing everyday
that’s probably why she’s lying about it but tbh i think it’s a silly move. who wouldn’t watch a show that’s aimed at them , esp if it’s all lies as she claims
There's no way anybody who had a show based on them wouldnt watch it, let alone a crazy stalker.
Oh the ways she'll be getting a kick out of the fact he made it about her and that he wanted to re-enact it by playing himself in the story...She'll be desperate to sue to keep the "relational drama" between them alive.
She also said at the begining "I never knew this guy" but when asked about the tweets she is saying "it was banter, we were all friends". How can you be friends with a guy you don't know?
She literally says that they weren’t friends in the beginning of the interview. He must have missed that.
Yup, they weren't friends and only met a few times. Then later also says she went to his stand up, sent handful of emails, had many "inside jokes" etc, etc.
And why email a guy you don’t know to congratulate him?
What was she congratulating him for?
How did she know he achieved something?
Assume it’s when he made it to the stand up comedy finals.
How did happen to have the email address of a guy she only met 2 or 3 times?
Richard Gadd said from the very start publicly that the real Martha never went to prison and that he never pressed charges because he felt she was suffering from mental health issues beyond her control.
Richard Gadd "has said from the start very publicly" that the opening gambit of every episode of the TV show he himself wrote-'this is a true story'-is false, and he knows it?
You might intuitively think such candid admissions go some way towards letting him off the hook legally. A lawyer will tell you the opposite.
Then he should not have put a false scene in a video condemning her to prison. He was smarmy, Netflix was presenting lies as truth. No one comes out of this well.
@@theresamc4578 Netflix? Lies? Really? Next you'll be telling us you don't think Harry and Meghan's miniseries was completely accurate!
He did say some scenes were added for dramatic effect…something along those lines anyway.
@@theresamc4578He wasn't smarmy 😂 Maybe he realised down the line that's what his stalker deserved. Lots of men feel shame when they're abused and will often excuse women who hurt them to compensate for this but perhaps now he's realised she deserved jail time and this was an artistic, cathartic representation of how he feels, which he has every right to do as a *victim* ...
I 100% believe she did everything he said. The actress listened to her voicemails to get her personality spot on.
I agree 100%
Watching the interview, you can almost pick out every detail that Netflix may have fudged for dramatic effect. Ive never even seen the show, but I could probably pick out the ones she wants scrubbed from existence.
Yep
Yes, Martha is based off of her. And a lot of what the show depicts is clearly correct; but equally, a lot has been added/changed. They should have said it was “based on a true story.” That way they had wiggle room for the storyline to not perfectly mimic the truth.
For example, the back “half” of the show, episodes 5-7, seemed to blur the line of truth and had quite a bit of noticeable exaggeration. Like, he didn’t have a melt down on stage at a comedy gig, he wrote a play about what happened to him and the sexual confusion he felt afterwards (called “monkey see, monkey do”) that won a comedy festival award back in 2014ish. So based on truth, but not 100% true.
In another example, they turned his sudden attraction for trans people (a trauma reaction from what happened to him) into a “love” story, because talking about the real reason why he had this sexual confusion and sudden desires isnt palatable for the “preferred narrative”; especially as “artsy” as the theatre industry is, he had to say it was all okay because he’s okay with the confusion now that he never felt before the grape.
So with this all being said, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they tweaked some parts of Fiona’s stalking storyline in order to make the story more dramatic, complete, and marketable for the network execs.
She may actually have a decent case in a court of law. Again, this is why they either should has stuck to 100% the truth and not changed one tiny iota, or they should have said it was *based* on a true story; because the introduction definitely leaves the audience with the impression that every single bit of it is true and accurate. 🤷🏽♀️
(And never watch/support another show Sam Bain writes on or produces again. He’s the real villain of this story!)
@@chilltarts
Damn, you put into words the disconnect I felt about the "message" being pushed. The Teri relationship felt very forced and unrealistic, even for what I imagine a relationship like that would be with real people
My favorite part is her saying she has a photographic memory and then says she can’t remember. 😂😂😂
I don't think "photographic" memory for things like studying information etc (semantic memory) is the same as remembering life events (episodic memory), there are different kinds of memory and being good at one doesn't mean you can't be bad at another. Not to say that she's not full of it, just that it's possible a person can have the ability to remember information remarkably well but not be able to recall details of other things in their life
@@kg6801 I meant that it was funny she said it practically in the same breath 🫠
Don't forget the part where she "sent no voice messages" but she DOESN'T WANT Gadd to show HIS PROOF of the voice messages. I wonder how could someone record me for 350 timed during 2-3 random encounters 😂😂😂😂
LMMFAO RIGHT?? She says she has a PM but can’t remember if it’s 4 or 6 e-mail addresses she had 😂😂😂 psy-Cho 😂😂😂
@@kg6801 Meh, who has time for fine distinctions like episodic versus semantic memory when there's a pile-on and everyone's invited? Thanks for the sanity. PS photographic, or eidetic, memory is usually, as the name implies, visual, which means it confers no special ability to retain conversations and events. As a successful Law graduate, this is likely exactly the condition Harvey was referring to. There are of course mnemonists like "S" (the subject of Luria's famous monograph) who remembered every word spoken to them, but interestingly, even he claimed to encode the transcripts of conversations in a visual mode, imagining them written on scraps of paper.
The emphatic "No" and terror in her face after he asked if she would like him to reveal the voice mails, was all I needed to see.
Devil's advocate: what if she was just embarrassed by the content of the emails, considering them private? It doesn't necessarily follow that their quantity and nature would vindicate Gadd's narrative about her. The experience could be humiliating to her without proving the show truthful.
Not to single you out (in fact yours is one of the most reasonable comments here), but in general this topic is drawing out of people a certain carelessness when it comes to reasoning. Most people's instinct is to dislike Harvey, justifiably or otherwise, and then to rationalize this with fallacious and overly-confident leaps of logic.
@@bradkeyes7184 your point makes no sense. She’s already being humiliated by the public bc of the show. If she claims to only have sent him innocent emails then she has no reason to be embarassed by them, given the accusations that are already on her. Unless she knows she’s lying.
@@nai110 Yeah, I totally agree that there's almost certainly something in those communications that would look bad for her, or that she fears would look bad for her (bearing in mind that she might not even remember everything in them).
All I'm pointing out is the false dichotomy of assuming that they either:
1. are innocent
or
2. prove the Netflix narrative was correct.
And the grey area in between is where I expect the action will be, because Harvey would NOT need to be blameless in order to have a strong case for defamation against Gadd and Netflix. The show makes specific, testable imputations that are very injurious to her name, and for which Gadd and Netflix are likely the only parties capable of producing the proof, if any proof exists. Which is still an open question, however much the court of UA-cam may have decided otherwise.
@@bradkeyes7184 I agree, but I believe it was more due to the fact that she didn't want to be proven wrong by lying that she didn't send voicemails. So it's prob both
@@Nyxeline You could easily be right. But either way I like your epistemic humility. Everyone could take a leaf from your book.
You forgot to add the part where she says "I had many more relationships than Richard gadd had" and I think this is one of the examples that shows how her behavior and personality is close to what they pictured her as in the show
The actress who played her absolutely nailed it. I got the same creepy vibes watching the show as I do watching this interview.
The Actress had life in her beautiful eyes - Fiona has lifeless cold shark-like eyes.
@@christinebuckingham8369 she was a bit sympathetic. Fiona is scary and mean.
For me, the acress playing her was more likable and she was so beautiful too. She also made me feel for her. This woman, I feel nothing but irritation. I must add, I don't believe the entire show was true.
@@keris81 Gadd has said as much in some interviews. He's said the story is true. I think that means the emotions and basics. I know many people don't watch the end credits, but I do. "This program is based on real events; however certain characters, names, incidents, locations and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes.”
@@shethingsd most companies have to put something along those lines in the end credits in case the real person involved in a “true story” takes legal action
I don't know him, and I didn't stalk him, but it's definitely about me.
Lol 😆
😂😂
This exactly!
Top Comment !
@@robotmad 🥳
Actress absolutely NAILED this performance. Wow, just wow
She deserves ALL the awards!!!
@@mycatsnameiskaren8253for sure. I really hope this potential lawsuit doesn’t affect their chances of winning awards
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
Have you ever met a stalker? I’ve known one in real life and it was terrifying. She was not in her right mind and was eventually sent to a hospital when it became dangerous for those involved. Once she got on some meds she was able to function again and come back to reality
@@Tshinpu you're acting exactly how a stalker would want u to, lmao
There should be a stalker registry. Stalkers always have multiple victims
@@taviabente3918 very very good idea!! Good deterrent too!
What I find crazy is the guy was raped by a high profile professional in the TV industry, repeatedly! And yet everyone is going after the stalker as if that's the most heinous crimes.
Why hasn’t it come out who raped baby reindeer?
Also wanted to add to your point toward the end. The whole time I was watching this, I kept thinking back on this moment in the show where Richard says something like, "No matter what I say, you're just going to pick and choose what you want to hear and twist it." That's basically what she did the entire interview and I can absolutely see a person like her bullying their way through conversations
My ex does this all the time.😢
“I am so offended about the lies about me in a show that is definitely not about me!” This is a good example of why a personality disorder is an actual disorder and not a fantastic way to live a life.
But people identified it as being her because there were almost indisputable clues it was her? She is saying there are lies in it.
The show is about her. I think the whole thing has gone above your head
@CarolinaSoulStar Well the name was different. Therefore it was not 100% true. If only we had a law that said "TV series that say that they are true must be 100% true" then they could be sued for that.
@@SamS-uv2ql we know the show is about her, she’s saying that herself. She is also saying parts are untrue, that may or may not be the case, but that is her complaint whether accurate or not.
@@CarolinaSoulStar I know. I said the show is about her.
2:27 "I don't know him"
15:44 "we were old friends"
😆
Nope, she says "we were all friends."
If you're unfamiliar with Scottish vowel sounds it could easily be confused with "ol' friends," so check the subtitles rather than trusting your ear.
Meaning in other words: it was a group of mutual friends, not necessarily that every single person in the group was friends with every single other person.
@@bradkeyes7184why would she switch to a plural when discussing an individual- there’s no group here, just him
@@bradkeyes7184 subtitles are AI generated and more prone to error - context is lost. Why would she discuss a group of friends when they are discussing just one person? I appreciate your comment but this seems unlikely
@@rodprod8522 Fair question. My two cents:
She regularly changed the topic or answered questions she was never asked in order to tick off her talking points. Switching the subject from dual to several would make sense in light of her overall agenda of
1. diffusing the relationship with Gadd by de-emphasizing intimacy or exclusivity.
2. reminding the world how many friends she has because she's so socially well-adjusted. Elsewhere she says regarding her boyfriend, “I don’t want to drag him in. He thinks this is horrendous. All of my lawyer friends do. All of my professional friends do."
She said she didn't really know him and had only met him a couple of times but later called him an old friend.
Wow Netflix did a great job with casting, Jessica did a great job playing her
Definitely. Especially as she never saw her mannerisms, it’s wild.
Yes. They look nothing alike. Yet the resemblance is uncanny. How Marta carries herself, mannerisms, speech patterns are all just like Fiona. She's an incredible actress.
Richard wanted the lead actress and apparently his script including lots of notes on her mannerisms.
Yes, it was all a lie.
They did a great job defaming Fiona’s character. Nothing more
She sure knows a lot about specific details of the show, considering she said she's never seen it.
I did wonder if people had been telling her though. She is clearly an obsessive type of person and having also experienced something big like this, I doubt she has spoken about anything else.
agree!
that’s because she lived it
@@Hippydays1959 She lived it but why would "people told me" ... that the actress wasn't very convincing or did a poor job? or all the other details people wouldn't actually talk about^^ she clearly has been binging it :D
She’s one of those train wrecks you just can’t stop watching. 😩
Hasn’t she defamed Gadd though? She called him a psychopath, severely mentally unwell, a forger and quite a few other nasty little barbs at him, on a platform that has had over 10 million views so far. Perhaps Gadd should sue her too!!
But is it really damaging, though? This interview is by far the best ad for the show.
It's the same from gadd to her, it says that she's was convicted and sent to prison for 9 months and she wasn't. That's defamation also, and he has admitted that he didn't press charges apparently. They both clearly had issues and lied about each other.
@@i.m1981it's a show, not a documentary. Gadd said openly in an interview that the jail part was made up. I think it might have been there to give a sense of closure to the viewer as well as some hope for those being stalked, that this is a possible solution when they're being harassed.
Yes OP - if some fool lawyer wants to take Fiona on as a client pro bono, you bet Netflex will counter sue the heck out of them for damages & costs for their million dollar law team.
Even if she manages not to abuse her lawyers & start stalking them, I don't believe her case will even make it to pre-trial.
She cannot claim her privacy was compromised when she has open facebook pages, plus twitter accounts - making comments about Richard non stop... long before the Netflix show, & long before the Piers Morgan interview.
She outed herself.
She can't stand Richard is successful without her, so she inserts herself in his life again.
@@i.m1981 Yes, but was that Netflix making stuff up to make the show more spicy? He never said that.
As for the phrase “I must have done (such and such) in my sleep” - I’ve heard people say this in reference to something they’ve been relentlessly accused of doing and they’re so certain that they have *not* done the act that they’re sarcastically saying the only way they could’ve done it is if they’d been sleepwalking.
There is an interview with Richard Gadd where he actually said that the jail scene has not happened in real life because he thought she didn’t deserve jail time as an unwell person.
I’d say the true story is true in the sense of his emotional journey.
It’s a show - not a documentary.
Thanks for this! Do you have a link to that interview? Idd love to see it
@@TheBehavioralArts My apologies if I have spammed you with comments. I have attached a link with the article in my answers but don't see it in the comment section. But maybe it is somewhere there after all.
In an online article he says it. That he only got a restraining order.@@TheBehavioralArts
@@kat2089 UA-cam won't allow links to be posted in comments anymore due to spam/bots.
@@TheBehavioralArtsthere is articles from Laura Wray about how Fiona stalked her and late husband.
As a Scot myself “writing the whole show in my sleep” is basically her saying that this whole show, its narrative, plot and story is about her and her life yet she had absolutely no input in it at all 😊
oh makes sense, thank you!
As an American, I thought it was really weird that he didn't understand what she meant by this, especially since he's someone who is clearly able to read between the lines. Even though we have a similar figure of speech that means something different, the way she meant it couldn't have been more obvious, IMO.
As another Scot I can confirm this is what I took from it too, she was asleep so she couldn't have been involved!
Ohh okay! I thought it was that it was all dreamt up, like this could have only happened in a dream! Thanks for the clarification!
Thankyou for this! I’m English and I didn’t really understand what she meant, I know the phrase to mean doing something with ease too.
She is taking credit for naming the show. She is showing that she feels that the writer owes her.
When I watched the interview, I (perhaps most of us) knew instinctively that she was lying. We just didn’t know why we knew. You have the training and experience to tell us why. Thanks for sharing.
She should watch it. I binged it yesterday, and even though she’s an “antagonist” of sorts, she’s not THE antagonist. I thought Gadd really kept the spotlight on himself and his own demons and treated her with compassion throughout. I sobbed through the end of it. Brilliant from start to finish
Great analysis! Absolutely!! It was very captivating to watch the Protagonist feel so much compassion, and deep relatability and how that grew from his pity for her character...
I watched it with my British husband and realised that some of the choices Donny made were so typically indecisive introvert that my husband would have done the same in those situations... My husband doesn't know how to say no in many cases, because he doesn't want to offend others, and would rather swallow unpleasant situations himself. Which makes me somehow relate to Teri from time to time. But luckily he's not met a Darrien nor a Martha in his life... The show made him reflect his past decisions and what it felt like to me when he left me to deal with conflicts.
@@treasuresofearth3014I hope that your husband is actively getting help because that’s not normal. It may be normal to agree to small things like giving someone a ride or agreeing to an event you don’t want to go to. It’s NOT normal to be raped as an adult and not say no. It’s not normal to play into a stalker…
In my own experience, people who are this disordered can’t really see the nuanced complexities of themselves or other people - I think she absolutely did watch it & likely missed the point entirely, solely focused on how she was slighted & “misunderstood” … that being said, I totally agree with you & also was moved to tears quite a few times! 😭
@@whiskeytangofoxtrot1986 He's never been raped/sexually harassed and never been bothered by a stalker. I hope you have understood when I said "luckily he's never met a Darrien or Martha". But he's been in situations where someone was bothering him with aggression, for example, he decided to not stand up against it firmly. Not everyone live around dangerous people, many of us live in very safe bubbles of the local community. When we say we can firmly reject a rapist or a stalker, can we really do that given the situation? How? It's easier said than done.
The series actually portrayed her with compassion... 😳
And very accurately. 😳
It's quite clear the actress had loads of material to practice with. MUCH more than 1-2 emails, 18 banter twitter msgs and absolutely no voice messages^^
Assume u are Martha or Fiona, everything is true, except one thing. You never went to jail. You would be angry, and in the eye of the law would be defamed and have a valid lawsuit against Netflix.
@@GrgAProduction Exactly.
And the Piers interview doesn't, to me, make me feel any empathy for Fiona. She's highly unlikable. She's mean and scary. She's the kind of person I'd only have empathy for if I was being paid to treat her. I didn't get the personality disorder vibe from the Martha character, but very quickly into the Piers interview with Fiona, I recognized personality disorder behaviours.
Only because you know. If you didn't know, you would have met her as a co worker, it would take a while to know what you're dealing with.
I agree with Spidey's comment that it was unreasonable for Ms. Harvey to not verify the actual number of mails sent. As a fellow lawyer, it's almost second nature for us to seek out evidence to support our claims.
Also, when we defend an innocent client, we always challenge the opposing party to disclose the evidence against our client. That's often the best way to get my client out of a mistaken or unjustly accused situation quickly. That fact that Ms. Harvey, as a lawyer herself, didn't adopt such a strategy to get herself out of this awful situation is unconvincing.
@lawgwen9287 Tell me more about this New Burden of Proof, "fellow lawyer." In particular, I'm dying to know why you have no problem with Netflix making the affirmative existential claim that there are thousands of emails, while perversely holding it against Harvey that she doesn't (somehow) prove there are only 12 or so. Do ordinary people have a duty to retain records of past correspondences just in case they're misrepresented in a Netflix series one day?
As someone who claims to have made it through Law school, why do you even think it's logically *possible* to prove there are only twelve of something? Are you really telling us that in the role of opposing counsel, you would accept the production of 12 emails as evidence that no 13th, 14th, or 41,000th email exists? If so, then on the day I'm charged with a crime, I'm going to hope you're the prosecutor.
@@bradkeyes7184 What's the point of attacking me personally? I may disagree with Netflix and Piers Morgan's actions, but the focus of this video is whether Ms. Harvey was truthful or not. This isn't a trial - let's keep the discussion without resorting to personal attacks. We can have a constructive dialogue without descending into that.
p.s. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't do criminal laws.
@@lawgwen9287 "This isn't a trial" Well you led with the fact that you're a lawyer, so I expected a certain argumentative rigor, but if I overestimated the seriousness with which you intended your own comments to be taken I apologize. In my defense, this entire thread is a personal attack on one stranger or another (who unlike you, aren't here to defend themselves), so I was just getting into the spirit of it. But I appreciate the reply and am happy to drop my adversarial stance. So out of constructive curiosity, am I missing something or have various commentators from Spidey onwards applied a remarkable and asymmetric standard of proof in expecting Harvey to produce a small number of emails, as though this would somehow disprove claims that there exist in fact a far higher number of emails? As a matter of Logic 101, how and why is it up to her to falsify an affirmative existential claim, in defiance of hundreds of years of jurisprudence (formal or colloquial) whereby the onus has always been on the only party who can possibly settle the question: the affirmative existential proponent?
@lawgwen9287 I also misread a phrase in your second paragraph, so I may have jumped the gun a bit. Thanking you in advance for being more polite than I was-Brad.
@@bradkeyes7184Just as a side note, I know you think you're being eloquent in the way you talk, but it is kind of just word salad.
If you want to be an effective communicator, keep it simple.
Great analysis! One other thing. She keeps using this catchphrase “BBC Breaking News.” BBC Breaking News covers urgent developing news stories, not the fact that Richard Gadd is doing a play at the Edinburgh Festival!
She was almost panicked when he asked about producing the evidence. I have never even heard of the show, but I am impressed how she's so knowledgeable about details of a show she has never seen. 😂
Yeah. NOOOOOO 😳
It's a sick and twisted story. I was disgusted by it, but fascinated at the same time.
UK here: wrote it in my sleep means I apparently did something I have no memory of doing. Love your content!
💜💜💜
Thanks for that bit of info.
I’m British and that’s not what I’ve always thought it to mean. I think it means something is so easy, you could have done it in your sleep.
If she said “I must have wrote it in my sleep” yeah that means she has no recollection of it. But she said wrote it in my sleep, that means it’s so easy you could do it in your sleep.
I agree, I've heard people use i must have been asleep when I did that when someone tells them they did something they don't remember. Like saying I've slept since then if you don't remember saying something
From the US, that’s what I took it to mean as well. I’m not sure why Spidey wouldn’t parse it this way. “Apparently I wrote it in my sleep.”
What a great analysis!! Thought so many things didn’t make sense when watching the interview but this deep analysis is to the point. Thank you🙏🏻🙌🏼
I’m so happy this came up on my feed! I watched the interview and I actually said out loud to my husband. I wish a behavior analysis specialist would do a study of this interview! Well done! Subscribed!
Thank you Fiona for coming forward, if only to prove what an amazing actress Jessica Gunning is! She absolutely nailed this woman for never having met her!
Exhibiting a lot of narcissistic traits....cluster B at least.
That actress 100% had access to those voicemails, because that performance was spot on. She deserves awards and big acting gigs.
@@markbisson6166 I agree, she very likely had been given quite a bit of material to base her performance on. Which means there is likely as much proof of Fiona's guilt as Gadd has claimed or close to it.
She knows criminal records aren’t public in the UK. That’s why she confidently denies.
Her nephew has come out publicly, writing that she did go to jail for several months, can’t remember exactly. So she HAS gone to jail under her middle name. So she WAS convicted of something. I don’t think she has a case.
@@karenbarker3470that’s already been proven as fake.
@@karenbarker3470Apparently the man claiming to be her nephew has been proved not to be. It was a hoax.
@@quizasusa3578 NO BEEN PROVEN THA ACTUALLY IS TRUE SOME PODCAST ACTUALLY GOT THE PROVE THAT SHES LIEING
@@ricardovasques293 mate... you're not very convincing with those spelling errors and capitals... source or it doesn't exist
UK here. Done it my sleep can mean 2 things 1. That you are so competent you can do it with your eyes closed as you referenced, but also, 2. That you have no recollection of doing it, so must have been done in your sleep
She's a lawyer. In that profession, the use of the template "even if allegation X is true, it doesn't follow that Z is true" is NOT a concession that X is, or even might be, true. The phrase 'devil's advocate' means 'advocate against myself, for the sake of argument.'
Her point is routine and logical. To read into it some kind of confession is to misunderstand forensic traditions. I'm not arguing that she's innocent, I'm pointing out that she's not admitting guilt.
What's less credible is her failure to challenge Gadd to pony up the textual evidence. You're 100% right to point out the weirdness of "No, I challenge him to leave me alone."
She kinda reminds me of that woman from the Stephen King movie Misery.
Yes
That’s what I was thinking 😂
that's funny because it's so true. The lady being interviewed is so facially expressive, like a professional actress.
Read an article in The Times saying Stephen King said the show was "one of the best things he's seen" and that the characrer is very reminiscent of the character in Misery.
Yes - that's what I thought too!
I’d be willing to bet he added the jail sentence scene as a closure in an effort to try to protect her identity - to try to convince the audience to not bother with trying to find out who she really is, because “she’s in jail already.”
"I’d be willing to bet...."
Great. Shall we say 300 USD?
@@bradkeyes7184 sure, Jan.
Yes, he had so much compassion that he wrote and starred in a Netflix shoe in which he revealed everything she did (possibly some exaggeration and invention for drama), then had her sobbing and admitting to all of it, and going to prison. Lord save me from anyone with such compassion.
@@jeikobu_jeikobu Feb would work better for me.
@@theresamc4578 did you even watch the show?
I'm never been so happy about the internet detectives finding a person. This is incredible 👏 this lady absolutely stalked this man.
You're always analyzing exactly what I'm into at the moment, and I always look forward to your take on things! Thx so much for your and your teams work!
After watching the interview when it was released, my first thought was "can't wait for spidey's analysis".
She means she’s unknowingly wrote the script. As in she must have wrote it in her sleep coz she can’t remember doing it but ur right in the correct format it is ment to be used.
Bro!!! 🤜🤛
Me too! And I was a little, just very slightly disappointed, that the body language guy got his video out before Spidey.
Spidey’ and also the Behavior Panel
10000000% same!!!
She meant she was unwittingly responsible for writing a lot of the show. Accidentally revealing its accuracy!
Great insight
Not only did she watch the show 10 seconds after it premiered on Netflix, she's watched it 41,000 times since.
Yes! This was exactly my thought when I heard her say that. It is an odd way to use the phrase, but her tone when she said it came off almost self-congratulatory (for lack of better terms).
Yep, that's why she "seems to have written the show in her sleep."
That does raise an interesting question. He used her actual emails. Does she get a writing credit? 😂
Spidey, My husband’s best friend has a *very unique memory,* he does not call it “photographic” though. It’s so funny & interesting - you can give him any date from the time he was about 4 years old & onwards, for instance, when he was in high school, “Feb 23, 1974”, and he can tell you (concerning what he seen, heard, & experienced) what day of the week it was, what the weather was, in great detail, what happened at school that day, everyone’s names, what he and my husband did that morning in school, that evening, what was going on in their town, what my mother-in-law & FIL were wearing when he went to their house after school, what they talked about, what they ate for dinner, what they did after dinner, what the air smelled like, how much snow was on the ground at all times of the day, the demeanor & moods of people, and just great detail of everything - anything that he witnessed, heard, & experienced.
This is interesting, I can only remember very few things from high school, I can’t even remember most of my teacher’s names, or names of kids I went to school with! I WISH I could remember things.
My husband and his friend get into really interesting conversations - and not even purposely, my husband will bring up something about his mom or dad, and his friend will say something like, “Well, that makes sense, because back in Dec of 1976, when we went to your Mom’s work, she told your sister that she had to use a particular car that night because your Dad was using the other car to go to X place, and when your sister got upset, your Mom handled that situation the same way - then we all went to X pizza restaurant and had toasted tuna grinders…..”
When I first met him, I tested him with the weather - I’d give him a date, and after he told me the weather, I looked it up on the Weather Channel archives for his town. He was never wrong.
As far as intelligence, he has a high IQ (I forget what it is, though 😂), and he’s an excellent computer programmer, he has several degrees in computer science, math, and he also taught fir a while. His abilities with math are amazing, you can give him a difficult math problem and he solves it before you can find the answer on a calculator or writing it out. When he visited us once for about a week, since I’m good at math & science, I made the mistake of telling him that I enjoyed solving certain types of word problems, so he constantly tried to teach me, he’d present real life scenarios and ask me to solve them, and what was fun for him was beyond my abilities. 😂
Finally you made the video! I had been waiting for it! I ve watched other analysis about her body language, none of them was satisfying! You are the best!
I think the 'in my sleep' comment was meant as in shes provided all the story line content for the show without being aware of it.
this, she wrote it without realising
exactly what I assumed with that statement - unintentional
Perfect 👌🏻👌🏻
I originally thought she accidentally admitted to writing the emails because the spelling was so bad she sleep typed half the show but as the interview progressed I definitely think you’re spot on haha
Yes that’s exactly what I took from that
She says she didn’t tweet him then Piers corrects her and says “you did tweet him numerous times” and she immediately says “no it wasn’t numerous it was 18 times”
That cracked me up. 18 is pretty numerous to me.
I know. I was like, that number escalated quickly. 18 is not a few.
This is the first review of the Piers interview that I've seen that I think covers it the most comprehensively. Thanks!
As always, really appreciate your content Spidey. Educational, high-quality, clear and consistent, and above all: FAIR and KIND with INTEGRITY. I love learning the technicalities of my “gut feelings” about people and situations, but what I appreciate even more about your work is your consistent dedication to openness, integrity, dialogue, and compassion. We need more of this energy operating in our world. Thankful for you, leading by example.
Thanks so much 😊 glad you enjoyed it
OMG- Spidey (at 10:55) mimicking a conversation with a bartender about a baby reindeer then segwaying into not drinking alcohol was hilarious and cute as hell. 😂💜
Came here to see if anyone else noticed that!!! It was fantastic!! 😂
I agree!! 😂
YESSSSS! 😂 I love fiesty Spidey❣️
Absolutely!! Also, at the end, when he says "photographic memory"😂
Agree 😂, "you know me"
She is so blatantly deceptive that you don’t even need to understand body language to know that she is not truthful.
You can't be "blatantly deceptive." That's like being patently obscure or profoundly shallow or unadulteratedly tainted. Unless there are people who would fall for it, it's not a deceptive act.
@@bradkeyes7184 The word "deception" here describes the behavior / attempt, not necessarily the result. So yes, I think she can be blatantly deceptive - or, in other words, her attempts to be deceptive are obvious.
Richard Gadd was open about her never going to jail. I read about that before all this hype. That was never a secret. He said that he felt sorry for her and never wanted her to be in that position.
Then don’t sign off on the show when the very first scene opens with this is a true story.
What she means when she asks "Did I write this in my sleep?" is: "Did I live all this (that has been claimed in the show) while I was asleep (ie sleepwalking) because I don't remember any of it".
It's a common form of denial, expressed semi-comedically,usually to make an accusation seem absurd and therefore wrongfooting the questioner.
In simple layman's parlance this lady gives every impression of loving the attention and being as mad as a box of frogs. She is actually quite scary.
Ha I say mad as a bag of cats but frogs works! This womans bag is full to bursting with cats frogs dogs horses goats etc etc
Bat. Shit.
She's scary? Please. Try rock climbing.
@@bradkeyes7184 RIchard Gadd was clearly traumatised by the years of stalking and abuse, as was the other lawyer woman. Whatever she was doing to them sounds scary enough
@@77NickDale Gadd is a storyteller. Whether he's telling true stories or not is far from something you know "clearly." He sounds like every other fake victim, and every other real victim, we've ever heard. See the problem? Anyway, the commenter didn't say Harvey scared Gadd, she said Harvey "is" scary.
I stopped EVERYTHING when i got this notification.
SAME😮
SAME!!!!!!
@@liubovicosteva4186 Me too!
Hahaa, same!
I stopped sleeping and clicked straight away.
It's 3am where I am.🫥
She also said earlier in the interview that she thought he was homosexual. Then she claims that he was trying to sleep with her. I think she’s being more untruthful than truthful.
You are so good!! I think you might possibly be the best body language expert I have ever listened too!
You don’t miss a thing and you consider all of the precise possibilities. Bravo!!! You have found your calling and have mastered your skill set.
One thing I found interesting is the actress plays her so well including her mannerisms which makes me think the actress had to have heard her speak on voicemails etc to know her quirks
But her mannerisms are her gestures and facial expressions. How is a person listening to voicemails going to capture that?
I'm also wondering if he had videos of Fiona too?
Exactly … the actress had some exposure to her .. impossible without hearing her voice on voicemail etc
@@LindaC616 Absolutely there must be video that the actress studied, as a source, the way she speaks as well seems odd as a fellow scot. Which the actress also captured.
@@cyndeewenzel6439 If I was the victim and this was indeed true I would be getting the footage from the bar as most bars have security cameras these days
When asked about HER actions: "WE were trying to support him." Who the heck is "WE"? Great analysis yet again Spidey!
Thanks so much. I think she uses “we” the same way she keeps saying “my friends” think this or “people have said” that. She’s adding more weight to her story by suggesting there were more people involved or witnesses
I thought that was kind of a Scottish, or British, affectation... the way people use the "royal we"
@@TheBehavioralArts 'people' meaning her and maybe one friend. She definitely has Borderline PD, they'll use the whole "everyone thinks/says..." line to justify any wild claim they make, when in reality it stems from them telling a story to someone and someone listening (not even necessarily believing). That morphs into "everyone says..../all my friends think...", because they can somehow 'justify' that in their brains, despite it making 0 sense to those without a personality disorder. BPD is some scary shit, and if not managed, the person *can* quickly turn heavily toxic and abusive.
I think it could potentially come under the banner of “triangulation” - a manipulation tactic to bring in a third party (real or imagined) to add weight to an argument, it’s to make the other person feel outnumbered
At his committal hearing, the man who attacked me (officially diagnosed with Cluster B which includes BPD) announced to the magistrate "We welcome a jury trial your Honour". Same as here, I wondered who the "we" was/were.
I like how you put into words all the things I noticed while watching that interview. Love your videos!
I've been waiting for your analysis ever since the moment I watched this interview!! Thank you!!!!
Fiona's manner of responding to questions is quite puzzling. She artfully crafts her answers in a way that, while potentially truthful, often skirts around the specific questions posed by Piers. Remarkably, she delivers these responses promptly, even under pressure, which is why i think she is a seasoned compulsive or pathological liar.
I agree.
I have a friend who does that. It's like I ask her a question, but her brain parses it as "please make noises along these lines". I don't think it's manipulation, just not very good social skills and bad theory of mind skills.
It is so interesting, and fairly typical of how someone with a personality disorder (like NPD) will
lie. There is a saying that people with NPD are good at tactics but terrible at strategy. So, in the moment, they are very skilled at a tactic like lying or deflecting, but they are terrible at long-term strategy, so they totally screw themselves once you take the totality of what they say or do into account.
@gcooper642 Almost sounds like how chat AI like chat gpt form responses.
Law degree and a personality disorder will do that
Hi - I’m from the UK.When she says she must have written it in her sleep, she is trying to say that she is unaware of any of it happening, so it must have happened in her sleep.
I was so waiting for your analysis on this interview.
I gotta say, this is the first video of yours I've seen and I'm so impressed!! By far my favorite, even over TBP and they're my go-to. Looking forward to bingeing your previous content!!
He’s so so so good at what he does. Glad you found him 😊
She said at the beginning she only met him 2-3 times then when the tweets/emails come up she said “we were all friends” 😂
Have you never been friends with someone you've only met two or three times? That's sad.
Good catch. She did say she didn't know him, now they were all friends
Thought the same thing
Right! And, "I don't think I ever sent him anything", "I may have tweeted him once years ago", "maybe 18 tweets". Like just let her keep talking and eventually she'll be like "I mean only 500 tweets" in no time 🤣
That part
"Shortly after the release of this series, the Internet *internetted* ..." -- LMFAOOO!!! 😂🤣🤣 I'm borrowing THAT one!! ;)
That was my favorite line from the whole video! 😂
Me too 😂 I’ve already used it today. Great line Spidey!
I love your channel! Been watching since Depp/Heard. I love most that you give me language for the spiny senses I was feeling anyways. Thanks for all of your videos!
Best Analysis i´ve seen! Exact what i felt watching the interview (without being an analyst) Great Job!!!
Boy oh boy, Jessica Gunning really NAILED this lady's look and demeanor! 👏👏👏
And erratic behaviour lol
"The Baby Reindeer part is true, but not the part in the show of me doing this, or that, or even that...I've never seen the show." lol...
This is an analysis I have been waiting for like crazy! Thanks Spidey! I hope you are doing good and well.
What I love most is that you’re not bias and always fair with all your analysis
Anybody else notice she uses 'We' instead of 'I' when she describes things she's done to him.
Maybe Dissociative identity disorder?
I think it’s a way of minimizing her involvement. If it’s a “we” committing a crime it disperses the blame.
I read it as her trying to make out that she wasn’t the only one doing these things. She was just joining in with the others. It sounds weird regardless.
@@ddot9566 I hope you are right. It does sound weird, and sad.
I thought it was a British upper class thing, "the royal we"
I think the "story" is true, the details are partly factual and partly dramatised, but that doesn't change the 'story' of how a man was stalked by a woman with issues.
Great 'defense' there. I'm sure a 'judge' would find it 'persuasive' in any civil 'courtroom.'
Fantastic analysis and such a great way to learn how to deal with people that are fabricating lies?
Great analysis. Thanks for the expertise and comments.
41K emails is about 29/day over 4 years. Totally possible. Gadd said the jail scene did not happen in real life.
Kind of like how some people esp older people use emails. They almost use them like texting in my experience working in an office. That doesn’t justify her harassment it just proves digital communication shouldn’t be treated the same as an in-person conversation.
@@bones642depending of the content 😅
Exactly. As shown in the series, some were incredible short.
Gadd never said "the jail scene did not happen in real life"
@@mediaeasierukyes he did. It's extremely easy to find interviews where he says it if you use the youtube search bar lol
One thing that keeps cropping up is that she watched BBC breaking news. Usually BBC breaking news cover things like war, a death of someone influential or a natural disaster, it would not focus on a play that is on the edinburgh fringe festival.
I was wondering about that. The CBC in Canada wouldn't even bother with it and is a fraction of the size of viewers.
Maybe the BBC British version is sort of like the difference between CNN and CNN International. This woman is clearly lying, but national BBC is probably more gossipy. The Brits love their gossip and tabloids.
@@mygirldarby We do love our gossip and tabloids but the bbc is the british broadcasting company which runs the majority of media in the uk, they wouldn't be breaking news for a scottish play at the edinburgh festival, the last time they had breaking news on the bbc was when queen elizabeth died. I think she is sayin this to try and sound more imporant then she actually is.
@@jms7300 totally agree, breaking news is something really important. Not a play in a festival lol
Richard Gadd won the Fringe Comedy Award for “Monkey see, monkey do” and an Olivier Award for “Baby Reindeer” both would have been covered by BBC News
"because, you know me and alcohol!" Had me absolutely cackling 😆😆
I completely agree with you. Thank you for the terrific analysis.
While it's obvious that Fiona's story is dodgy, I am pretty sure Gadd skipped describing some steps made by him and other "buddies" that escalated this situation. She was a regular in that bar, and I am sure that her mental state was obvious to the patrons and the staff. I presume they used her as a comic relief there, and that it got out of hand. There are some very thin parts in his story, and these always emerge when his situation jumps from bad to catastrophic. We can all imagine how crowd can get nasty when they meet a person like Fiona for their own amusement, just look what is happening now around her. I am very suspicious about how Gadd actually interacted with her while knowing she was unstable.
This is a very valid counter consideration to the main narrative that has villainized her. I think you’re right to assume that he entertained her advances quite a bit
I agree too, yes she stalked him in my opinion and she clearly has mental health issues but Gadd completely entertained her madness, even encouraged it at times which to be fair, he does admit to, it's a very sad situation, not just for Gadd but for Martha (Fiona) as well. One of the things that annoyed me the most was that he could have ended things a lot sooner with regards to going to the police, especially when the attack on Terry happened, (If it did happen of course) but for the sake of the series, lets say it did happen, there were witnesses and an assault.. what else would the police need to arrest her?? I think Gadd put up with a lot more than he should and maybe that's because he was also a victim before he met her. It's a very good lesson to learn on why we should NOT entertain other peoples delusions.. especially when it harms others.
I agree. Gadd shows us that he made the curtains joke only once.. I am sure they were regularly making sexual jokes around her that both flattered her and grew her delusions.
@TheBehavioralArts Spidey, please do an analysis of a Gadd interview about this.
@TheJovola I completely agree. Gadd is by no means entirely innocent in this story. He even encouraged some of his predicaments
I absolutely love it when Spidey does a cut away to act something out!! It's always the best! "Anyway, what kinda soft drink do you have, because you know me and alcohol" 😂😂
I almost had a spit take at how well he acted that part out.
We learn so much here that we sometimes forget he is first and foremost an accomplished entertainer. These little moments are a strong reminder 😆
Got the giggles with that one!
Excellent recap. Your thoughts are brilliantly relayed. Bravo !!!
Yay! I was hoping you’d do a video on this.
She thinks she’s so great that she says he fancies her even tho he’s “gay”? Come on 🤪🤣
She’s unhinged
Definitely some underlying character flaws, and she seems completely oblivious to them.
scary
Absolutely. Her FB page alone shows she is extremely emotional labile (unstable) and becomes unhealthily obsessed with and fixated on others. She was interviewed by a journalist about the Netflix series recently and immediately afterwards began to bombard and harass him with phone calls, texts, and emails including making threats and abusing him.
@@Adara007 Just like Piers Morgan after his interview with him.
Great analysis, as usual!! Thanks for breaking it down. I actually feel sorry for her. The show made me feel sorry for her and I continue to pity her now that I've seen the real character. She definitely has some mental health issues that she's not getting help with. The spotlight being shone on her is going to make things worse as it goes viral. I hope she has someone in her life who cares enough to catch her when it all comes crashing in.
I don’t mean to be glib considering the subject, but you’re hilarious at 11:06. While I’m here, your insightful explanations and personality are what keep me coming back to learn. Thank you!
"Fargo" starts with "This is a true story," too. I don't see people picking that apart.
That's right... I wonder if someone could, if taken to court say "it's someones true story" or collectively a true story?
There is a caveat in the credits of Baby Reindeer that states that certain events, characters, names, incidents, locations and dialogue have been fictionalised for dramatic purposes.
Isn't it pretty accurate?
But it doesn't contain specific references to specific people that the internet can track down. He used her tweets and posts word for word, and it took people a matter of days to figure out who she was. Whereas in the case of Fargo, a character was likely in amalgamation of several people
@@LindaC616good luck getting that approved in court. Especially uk court.
No internet drama is complete without Spidey's analysis. Big thanks, Spidey!
hmm
I’m only 5 minutes in and I can already tell this will be the best analysis of this interview, HANDS DOWN!
When you said about the eyeblock and shake of head I noticed from a conversation I had with someone a few years ago they did the exact same thing and I stopped conversation because it was obvious they didn't want to keep talking and they changed the subject so I played along to save drama
I think Gadd knew Fiona wouldn’t stop unless he did something extreme, like make a movie about her.
She says she has a photographic memory but keeps changing her story 😬
Fascinating analysis .... Spidey you are the GOAT when it comes to these breakdowns. In fact, I realised whilst watching this, that I know 2 people who are very similar.
So glad you did this video, alot of what you said nobody else really picked it up and it had me shouting at the TV 😂
The way her head popped up when he asked if she was challenging him to produce the recordings screams "no please don't show them the voicemails!" to me 😂
Yup. That's what I was thinking too.😅😂😂
In the UK, doing something in your sleep is like saying it's easy and you can do it with your eyes closed.
Same in the states.
I took her to mean that she's being credited for the title of the show even though (according to her) she's had nothing to do with any of it. So she's saying that she must have contributed "in her sleep" as she has no conscious knowledge of being involved. Then she says she must have written the whole show in her sleep ans I think that's her saying that she's being accused of doing everything written into the show even though (according to her) she wasn't involved.
Thank u 🙏🏻
Yea exact same thing in the US. You know I see this ALL THE TIME….and it’s almost always from the UK. The person from the UK will give the explanation for a slang word or older saying…or some such cultural thing that’s usually older….too not current or anything…..but it’s ALWAYS the exact same explanation in the US…..not sure why those in the UK think that so much older slang or old sayings aren’t used in the US at all and that they somehow don’t have the same meaning/explanation 🤷🏼♀️😂
Depends on where u are from in uk. It's used as a cop out in my area...I didn't do it unless I did it in my sleep.
So far you are the best analysts!!