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Mary Poppins vs. Wall Street
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2011
- Mary Poppins relates the founding of the United States with a run on a bank:
Mr. Dawes: In 1773, an official of this bank, unwisely loaned a large sum of money, to finance a shipment of tea to the American colonies. Do you know what happened?
Mr. Banks: Yes, sir. Yes, I think I do. Uh, uh, as the ship lay in Boston harbor, uh, a party of the colonists dressed as Red Indians, uh, boarded the vessel, behaved very rudely, and, and threw all the tea overboard. This made the tea unsuitable for drinking, even for Americans.
Mr. Dawes: Precisely. The loan was defaulted. Panic ensued within these walls. There was a run on the bank!
Mr. Dawes (Snr): From that time to this, sir, there has not been a run on this bank until today! A run, sir, caused by the disgraceful conduct of your son. Do you deny it?
It then goes on to equate humanity's emancipation from capitalism to the liberation of words we utter, the languages we speak:
Mr. Banks: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. Mary Poppins was right. It's extraordinary. It does make you feel better!
Mr. Dawes (Snr): What are you talking about, man? There's no such word.
Mr. Banks: Oh, yes. It is a word. A perfectly good word, actually. Do you know what there's no such thing as? It turns out, with due respect, when all is said and done, that there's no such thing as you!
“It’s not the children she’s come to save, it’s their father”
Mary Poppins changed his life his forever.
And watching SAVING MR. BANKS makes me cry when Tom Hanks said that line 😭 And it still does
She came to save them all. Remember what Bert said. At least in his own words... Cherish your children because before you know it, they've grown and flown.
If you get too passionate about your job, you can lose the other most important thing in your life... Your Family.
The writer Thomas Carlyle found that lesson out the hard way, and it haunted him for the rest of his life.
Mary Poppins came to reconnect the children with their parents and their parents to them. She knew that children should be raised (at least wherever possible) by their parents. Thats the whole point of being a parent. Your children are not there as status symbols or testaments to days where little or no contraception existed.
As with all things, there must be balance.
Passionately striving for the good of your country's economy and supporting equal rights causes is brilliant. But so, too, is raising your children in love and confidence, so they grow up with no regrets and you move into older years knowing you did all you could.
When did he say that?
@@martabotiasalinero in Saving Mr. Banks, a film which shows the making of Mary Poppins and the author's history. It's just perfect.
As a kid, I just thought they were plain old punishing Mr. Banks by destroying his things, but years later I learned it was specifically supposed to resemble military cashiering to show us how seriously this bank took itself and what a stuffy, regimented life he was stuck in.
A wooden leg named Smith, so THAT'S what Monty Python's funniest joke in the world was. The joke was lethal, for no one could read it and live. And so, the joke's first victim was Mr. Dawes Senior of the Fidelity Fiduciary Bank in London, England on May 21, 1910.
Marvin The Maniacal Dancing Ape yeah in reality he would have him charged with manslaughter not promote him. He would not be happy about his father being dead
but how did Mr. Banks, Michael, Jane and Bert, and Berts Uncle live???
@@lemurlover7975 Because Mr. Dawes Sr. had a frail body.
that's the real Killing Joke
guardian artivist x A love like blood.
I always laugh at the guy who says "No, not that!" when the son is about to wreck Banks' umbrella.
that could also mean Bad Luck
Mr. Mousely's getting sympathetic, it seems.
And it is implied the guy who said to him ‘Steady on’ prevented him from being sacked also as Mr Dawes snr may have assumed he was standing up for Mr Banks.
It shows even a banker has standards...
@@CooperCollinsTheAnimator The superstition is believed to date back to ancient Egypt, where if someone opened an umbrella indoors, it would anger Ra, the Egyptian god of the sun and they would be punished by him for it. And it was common in ancient Egypt for Egyptians to use umbrellas for the use of shading from the sun and its heat.
I don't know why, but I like the one banker who screams "No not that" when they're about to mess up his umbrella. Shows a bit of humanity in them.
He’s probably superstitious as it’s unlucky to open an umbrella indoors 😂
That's why they rehired him as a partner as soon as the old man was out of the picture
Ruining a perfectly good umbrella in London is one of the worst thing you can do to a Brit.
@@JustPippaNYracist stereotype
@jacobmassey3897 I won't even carry an umbrella in case it gets blown inside out. Terribly bad luck. Best off flying a kite.
This made the tea unsuitable for drinking, even for Americans! - best line by far
Charl P. You
Charl P. Gotta love how he chuckles after his "...even for Americans" quip.
PUNS!
Considering the crap us Americans allow to be pumped in our foods the joke has merit.
And what a fun party we had that day....
"Banks don't you dare strike my father!" lmao.. Sigmund Freud on helium..
As I kid I used to die laughing when the guy wrecked the umbrella and punched a hole through his hat. Kudos to Disney for making a somber moment nonetheless funny and ridiculous in the spirit of the movie.
Also kudos to Disney for making a 7-yr kid understand what a bank run was without even realizing he was learning something :)
the next time you get fired, say the most magnificent word that comes to mind and tell your boss "there's no such thing as you!"
Impertinence MadameTamma
I’m on for that! Lol
I was told you are not anybody if you have never been fired. This is so true.
All of them
Why didn't I think of that when I got fired from my job as a Direct Support Professional three years ago?
"No, not that!"
"Steady on"
*Turns umbrella inside out
I just find this just insanely funny for some reason
I've always liked the sound of umbrellas unfolding in old movies.
it was because of the superstition of opening an umbrella indoors brings bad luck
@@LuckoDaStars I can definately see that. Which I think adds to the cruelty of the scene, while it seems a little absurd, when you consider that it wasn't good enough to just merely discharge Mr. Banks.
They had to humiliate and destroy him. And you can see what it was doing to Mr. Banks just before he reached into his pocket and redeemed by his own son.
2:46-4:21 I was cracking up all throughout this part because of how hilarious what Mr. Banks was saying:
"Do you know what there's no such thing as? It turns out, with due respect, when all is said and done, that there's no such thing as you!"
And the way he was skipping off and singing "A Spoonful of Sugar"
Mad as a march hare!
Finally old dawes got what deserved and changed
Burn 😂😂
@@PajafromPrague "Father. Father! Father, come down! DADDY! DADDY, COME BACK!!"
I love this.
"Father died laughing."
I have to wonder how that might have looked under the circumstances...
"WHUMP!"
Another happy landing.
Did you press the stop button?
This might help, not floating though.
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Or just search for, "Never go in against a Sicilian"
Probably like the Joker in Batman, with a grin on his face.
🤣
I love his boss's face at 4:39 he finally gets the joke
slow on the uptake aye :)
Or rather...ex-boss.
Omg, cracks me up when he laughs and rises to the ceiling! Hahaha
@@sce2aux464or rather, sub atomic particles combined to give you the image of a man within a time and space moment in human history being caught on a camera that displays more sub atomic particles of what was once a combination of sub atomic particles doing something we ‘humans’ call laughing.
It’s turtles 🐢 all the way down
that's right! That's how when villain of Mr. Dawes Sr gets defeated for he got finally deserved by Mr. Banks and Mr. Dawes Sr did fly to the ceiling.
"This made the tea unsuitable for drinking, even for Americans." lol
Precisely!
How very english that line was. And yet it manages to amuse Limey and Yankes alike. 😁
Why’s there always someone in England dwelling in the past when we’ve fought for independence? 🇺🇸 🇮🇪
Boston Tea Party.
After a terrible job interview for a summer work it was clear I didn't did well, so when the interviewer asked me if there was anything I liked to add, I stared at him really seriously and simply told: "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", then left without saying anything else.
Bloody hell, it did work! They took me for the job! XD
Really?
That's awesome!!! I bow my hat to you!
were you auditioning to be a comedian?
*Press X to Doubt*
Absolute legend.
Daaaaddy come baaaaack! I always laugh at that part!
why? it's so weird
mauryelhombremono I don't know why! It's just the way the son says it and starts whining. I always laughed at that part ever since I was a kid!
theangelgirl86 it's weird, and kind of disturbing for me, but it's maybe the weirdness of it that can make it funny, i don't know :|
mauryelhombremono it's funny to hear an old man say it
spider-pony it's kinda creepier than hearing a kid saying it.
I can sympathize with Mr. Banks. I gave 5 years of my life into the call center as Workforce Management, and just like that in 2019 I was discharged (or laid off to be specific) on economic reasons not by company violation without notice. But I did say this as I walked out:
"Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!"
Mary Poppins was right, you do feel better when you say it!
R.I.P David Tomlinson the best actor of his age.
Herbie drove him piffy!
If *Harry Potter* was written some time in the '50s or '60s, he would've been a perfect Cornelius Fudge in a 1960s or '70s movie adaption of the series.
Trivia fact: Dawes Sr was played by Dick Van Dyke, who also played Bert. It was said that the child actors playing Jane and Michael Banks didn't know that Mr Dawes Sr was played by Bert's actor due to the makeup that was used to make D.v.D look old.
For this role, D.v.D was credited as "Navckid Keyd"
And the letters unscrambled themselves to spell "Dick Van Dyke" and I found it hard to believe that he also played Dawes Sr.
I read where the children first found out about that while watching the end credits at the premiere. :) They wondered if the elderly man was going to live long enough to get through his scenes.
@@justinbrockshus8483 Indeed. They thought that the "horrible old man" was going to fall down and die at any moment during their scene at the bank.
Similarly, they thought David Tomlinson was just like the character he portrayed during the bulk of the film, cold and uncaring and nasty, until they filmed their couple scenes with him that aired towards the end. Tomlinson must've remained in character when the cameras weren't rolling, just as Leonard Nimoy did as Spock a couple years later.
I always wondered who Navckid Keyd was!
R.I.P. Lester Matthews (1900-1975) (Mr. Tomes), Cyril Delevanti (1889-1975) (Mr. Grubbs), Clive Halliday (1900-1989) (Mr. Mousley), David Tomlinson (1917-2000) (George Banks) and Arthur Malet (1927-2013) (Mr. Dawes Junior). Some trivia: Arthur Malet was a noted character actor. He was known for playing older parts in films than he was. He was only 37 years old when he played Mr. Dawes Junior. He and Dick Van Dyke were only 37 and 38 years old when they played two characters much older than they are.
He also played Tootles in Hook
Jessy Leppert
Tragically we also lost Matthew Garber (1956-1977)(Michael Banks) far too young at 21, due to complications from hepatitis.
Jessy Leppert
Don't forget that he played Mr. Randolph in "A Little Princess".
BayareaGuy06 you forgot Matthew Garber (Michael Banks)
3:49 "Guard it well."
20 years later, we see the results.
Profound!
20 years later, Dick van Dyke is still living 👍👍❤❤ The tuppence has indeed been guarded well
Actually, it's 25 years later.
The panic of 1929... when people probably *did* "jump into the river" after losing everything...
Indeed and more than 20 years later! Much nearer to 1934. I believe! That tuppence was very well guarded.
I love it when Old Man Dawes finally gets the joke at the end and floats up in the air. Apparently he had to die for them to get him down.
He's gone so long without laughing that now his body can't take it and it's fatal
How long can Dick Van Dyke go laughing with out choke in his old age as of now 😅
*In disbelief of Mr. Banks' outburst* Mad as a March Hare.....
It kind of breaks my heart to hear an elderly man whine "DADDY!" but what's really sad about this scene is not only was this probably the first time Old Man Dawes has ever laughed in years, but it was also his last, as Mr. Dawes Jr. later stated that his father died laughing.
True. Then again Mr Dawes Jr did say it was the happiest he'd ever seen his father. So there's some consolation in that
Dawse Jr was played by Arthur Mallet. He was in his early 30's here. Famous for playing older characters.
The old man is played by Dick VanDyke!
Really I had no idea
Which one
Lol
@@matthewmcvey3494 he plays the father in this. And he comes back to play the son in Mary Poppins Returns
Well done Mr Holmes
Dick Van Dyke took so many different roles in this wonderful musical. He's such a fine actor, and the accent only accentuates it!
Yes, because of this he had been a hot candidate for an OSKAR but Mrs. Travers, the author of the Mary Poppins books, sabotaged this with her bickering against Dick van Dyke and the way he had played his role in the movie.
@@rogerlynch5279 It wasn't his fault they gave him a Scottish dialogue coach....
Every time I see him as Mr. Dawes, Sr. watching Mr. Banks' degradation ceremony, I somehow feel that he was having a VERY hard time to not burst out laughing.
"Joke?" Haha! He says it like he is unfamiliar with the word itself!
the implications are rather sad, aren't they?
We don’t laugh here. We are greedy capitalists at Wall Street
My favorite part of the scene is the son saying "DADDY! DADDY COME DOWN!" xD This truly is one of my favorite movies from when I was a kid.
"Don't you dare strike my father!"
Absolutely love the , DADDY COME DOWN , from the son !!
When Mr. Dawes Sr. is mulling over the joke, trying to get the gist of it, I LOVE how he mutters it to himself twice, and just as he's about to mutter it a third time, he finally gets it!
"A wooden leg named Smith..Oh I get it!" *Flies away*
4:13 - 4:20 Mr.Banks's dance on the way out is fantastic!
The way his umbrella opens and closes gives tribute to new recently created "Inverted Umbrellas".
the medicine go DOOWN!
its a physical representation of his inverted character, his change of heart
Remember kids, if u get fired from ur job, say supercalafraglisticexpialadoeshis, then laugh like a mad man, then tell the boss there’s no such thing as him, then go fly a kite.
"Even for Americans" LOL. XD.
“What’s the name of the other leg!?”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The name of the other leg is John
“The man’s gone mad! Call the guards!”
That line gets me in stitches every time 😂
So does Dawes Jr bawling himself silly when Sr starts flying upon laughing himself into a stupor.
Mental institutions were a real popular thing at this time.
Everyone at the end thought he had gone "mad" for losing his job... that would be the next stop he was destined for. 😬
15 bankers died laughing.
+DisneyTimeLord I stand corrected, it's now 29 bankers died laughing.
Make that 31 bankers and counting....
+DisneyTimeLord
36 died laughing and fell on the dislike button.
@@gideonchannel9683 54 and that is at least 1/3 of Wall Street.
Best comment on here
"BANKS, DON'T YOU DARE STRIKE MY FATHER!!" Mr. Dawes, Jr. thought Mr. Banks was gonna assault Mr. Dawes, Sr.!
😂😂😂
If you haven't seen Saving Mr. Banks I highly recommend it. If you don't know, it's the story behind the making of this movie.
The most profound line of that film comes from Walt Disney himself- the real reason Mary Poppins came was to help Mr. Banks, not the kids.
I still maintain Bert did more of that.
A truly wonderful movie, but i watched a documentary of Walt Disney and what i do not know that he was a racist and hates women...my 50 cent
@@wernerrohr7259 Not true.
@@EnemyAce88 Of course it´s true
@@wernerrohr7259 Source?
*Interesting fact:* The actor who played Mr. Dawes, Jr. was the graveyard keeper in *Halloween* ('78), Tootles in *Hook* , and Mr. Randolph in *A Little Princess* ('95).
Sheesh if walls could talk they'd be angry too😂 Love when Mr Dawes Sr finally gets it
"BANKS DON'T YOU DARE STRIKE MY FATHER!!"
Top Hat Squirrel Guess it had to do with Michael getting in a fight with him, which caused a run on the bank.
The absolute seriousness undertake by the occasional descent into mockery is brilliant! Losing your job is terrible for a man, especially when you've poured yourself into it; but it's nothing when compared to the love and trust of a man's children--the two pence in his pocket. Mr. Banks has lost everything and gained so much more. Hats off to you, Walt Disney.
Oh yes! It is a word! A perfectly good word! Actually, do you know what there's no such thing as? It turns out, with due respect, when all is said and done, that there's no such thing as YOU!
Sums up Banking and the huge national debt that the banks never had, to loan us in the first place, to rescue them.
Excellent film, up there with The Wizard of Oz!
"Actually, do you know what there's no such thing as? It turns out, with due respect, when all is said and done, that there's no such thing as YOU!"
...I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean and it's still one of the best insults I've ever heard.
he realized he is in the Matrix and his boss is a figment of his own imagination...or he thinks he is having a nightmare, even though he is awake, and he is trying to control his dream through lucid dreaming by telling the monsters they are not real. Then he's like OOPS that was reality. I just got fired. :(
IMPERTINENT SIR!!!
I love this too it’s so awesome and then the “impertinent sir!”
Mary Poppins changed that man's life forever. From the minute she walked in, his life would never be the same again.
HOW THE FATHER EXPLODES IN LAUGHTER AFTER A WOODEN MAN NAMED SMITH!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!! CLASSIC AND PRICELESS!!!
When a parent doesn't realize that they may be being a little too strict with their children then it's probably their boss being too hard on them and causing them major stress.
The part where George laughs at reading supercalifragilisticexpialidocious on the tuppence is hilarious
Thats good but my favourite when he said the joke and laughed with closed eyes 😂 i say always he laughs like if he has sand in eyes 😂
I've always wondered why the guy sitting next to Mr. Dawes Sr. said, "No! Not that!" when Mr. Dawes Jr. was about to turn Mr. Banks' umbrella inside out, but then I was beginning to think the guy might be superstitious and Mr. Dawes Jr. was about to open an umbrella indoors, which is bad luck. The guy restraining him who said, "Steady on!" was like, "No! Let him do it! It's for Banks' own good, I'm sure!"
4:40, he's laughing like he's getting a heart attack.
Bankers have hearts?
The thing was is that he "died laughing" if that makes sense. I interpret it being he laughed all the way to his grave if that makes any sense.
Some of those scenes made me cry growing up & it still makes me cry now Xx
At 4:53 to the end of the clip, you can hear the instrumental of I Love to Laugh as the bankers try to pull Mr. Dawes Sr. back down
I think that's the point since he's floating like uncle Albert
If Uncle Albert happened to pass through and saw what was going on, he'd probably holler "quick! Think of something sad!"
I was sorry they took that song out of the stage show
Mr Banks went for his 9 O Clock Midnight meeting at his Bank.
I love that he names his kids in the joke about the wooden leg named Smith. Such a sweet detail
my word, the things i missed when i watched this at a more tender age. this movie is so cleverly done!
I'm still shocked at how the bank administrators handled this.
The elder Mr. Dawes simply could have said:
"Banks? You're FIRED!!!!!!!" on the spot.
Even as a kid, I learned about being fired from positions, and even back then, I was shocked at how easily they let Mr. Banks get discharged.
Really, they could have simply said Mr. Banks was fired.
Even Mr. Dawes Junior shook his head sadly when his father told him to "get on with it," when his son was told of him what to do.
Even on the telephone, Mr. Dawes Senior said "we regret this course of action," with his son repeating it.
This discharge could have gone much worse.
Oh wow it took me 29 years to understand that whole bit. Well the me that watched it many years ago didn’t know what the mafia was😂
2:46 😆😆🤣😅 I start laughing also!
Banks, don't you dare strike my father!!! lol
0:05-0:11 Everytime I walk into a military building while forgetting to take my cover off and an NCO catches me.
When I was a kid, I thought the whole display with tearing up carnations, turning umbrellas inside out and punching holes in hats was how it would normally go any time someone was fired.
Never understood this scene as a little kid. Now after some random 'Boston Tea Party' video in my recommendations it finally makes sense. Oh, thank you 4am procrastination!!
It amazes me how many ways the 'Feed the Birds' theme is used in this sequence - it plays over his walk to the bank, then when he arrives it's played like a dirge as he walks to what he thinks is his doom - and then, at 2:42 - his rebirth.
Love this movie as a kid with my sister. This scene really makes me smile and laugh as an adult. You can really relate to his seriousness of the cruel world, but find lightness. Love this movie so much
4:42 his laughing sounds like he’s got asthma.
The cinematography for Mary Poppins is so ahead of its contemporaries. The bank members at 00:04 swathed in their circle of darkness is just so utterly perfect! Flawless filmmaking.
Rose rip off 1:55
Umbrella Open wide 2:09
Hat in a hole 2:18
Mr. Dawes Senior start to laugh 4:41
Riley Andersen 35 years later I still laugh at the way he bounces when they pop the hat.
During my job interview as a food service worker at Chisholm middle school 🏫 when my boss Elaine saw how excited I was she surprised me and I got the job
It wasn't even Michael's fault.
Mr Dawes just grabbed the money out of his hands
A wooden leg named Smith? A wooden leg... named Smith? A wooden leg....
*gets it* XD
And in the very next scene the man's son is like: Your joke killed my dad, have your job back
22 Americans want their tea suitable for drinking
Eve Sav they prefer coffee
Or iced tea.
54 you mean, and my today's standards it's more like Koolaid....
well the Upper Mongolians and Tibetans might prefer it salty with ocean water because they have butter tea that's salty. I think Britain missed an opportunity to trade salty tea with Mongolia in the 18th century ;-)
During my middle school year in choir my friends and I did a concert of Mary Poppins and we did almost all of the songs 🎵 from the movie
"The man's gone mad. CALL THE GUARD!!!" i love this.
spent his whole life trying to be professional and up to standard. then when he gets sacked he becomes the happiest hes ever been as he realised money isnt everything.
I like how they did this scene in stage version way more
4:38 This is why Mary Poppins didn't appreciate Uncle Albert going up in the air when he was laughing as he might DIE LAUGHING
mr Dawes SR: would you waiting for get on with it.
Son: yes father.
“It turns out, with due respect, when all is said and done, that there’s no such a thing as *YOU!!!”*
Best. Burn. Ever.
Anyone else come to the first minute and 40 seconds of this from the Capitol’s riot last week... and there had not been a riot on the Capitol since The War of 1812?
Father: dies laughing
United States: reports as a COVID death
😄😄😄 Precisely
"DADDY!" kills me every time.
30 Americans had their tea unsuitable for drinking.
*and that's 30 too many.*
*Even for Americans.*
4:53-5:05
The British when they started to loose their colonies in the 40’s and 50’s
“Daddy! Come back!”
More like Hong Kong after China moved in.
As much as the Father was weird thud really made me cry when he died Xx😢
He was the main villain of the film. It was difficult for me to feel sad for him when he died. He should have kept his hands to himself instead of being greedy by snatching Michael's tuppence and causing Michael to get upset (which resulted in the run on the bank happening). To another side, I suppose I can understand how depressing it might be for other viewers, but hey, at least he died happily. Heck, even Mr. Dawes, Jr. was happy to know that his dad died happily. Better to die happily than to die sadly.
Xanatos21 very true must have been heartbreaking for his collages and family but least he was happy Xx
As a kid, I found his son just as intimidating as micheal did : " And just how much money have you got young man? "
But he died laughing, plus his dearh is not seen on screen.
This is a very powerful and underrated scene. A lot of metaphors. Ironically, Disney has become what it mocked in this scene. God bless my childhood innocence and everyone else who watched this movie for the first time.
Dick Van Dyke's going to be playing Mr Dawes Jr. in the sequel where something tragic has happened - perhaps he'll give the Banks family the tuppence at a particularly low point? (oops realised I got the name wrong)
Not too far off.
WOW. You came VERY close
1) Close.
2) You have the wrong book for the Darlings.
JavertRA Darlings, as in Peter Pan?
Close.
Didn’t realize the old man was Dick Van Dyke lol
I did and I was more than shocked to find that even as a 30 year old Old Dick could still make senior age look more enjoyable and fun than he does in his current 97 year old age 😅
This scene was always funny and hilarious to see the head of Bank laughing like Uncle Albert
"Do you have anything to say?"
"I am sueing you for willfull property damage."
The historical event being discussed here I believe is the Boston Tea Party
77J that's exactly what Mr. Dawes Jr was talking about.
Nahhhh that doesn’t sound right
Josh Zeff The Time gap of a bank run.
It is
Well-spotted, lad.
4:57 Mr. Dawes Jr.: Daddy!!!!!, DADDY!!!!!, Come Back
(That's Funny).
AND THE LAUGHTER, FROM MR.DAWES SENIOR, MADE BANKS TO WIN HIS JOB AGAIN!!!!
"The man's gone made, call the guard!" Hahaha 😂
What guts and bravado for Banks...no breaking point despite getting fired by his boss...took it like a man...
When you’re the only one that’s high at the party.
Mr Banks has got one of my most favourite laughs, makes me smile every time
I've gotten canned more than a couple of times. I always remember this scene from my childhood. Things always work out.
4:26 Mr. Dawes Sr. is mulling over the joke. 4:38 He finally gets it! Took him almost 15 seconds, that's not long!
Great scene, thanks so much for uploading. I love it! :D
If you look at 4:38 the guy on the right smirked right when Dick Van Dyke said "A wooden ner..."