DIRAC on the New Onkyo and Pioneer Worth Switching to? | Onkyo TX-RZ50 | TX-NR7100 | From LiveStream
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This is a repuload of my live stream with some off-topic discussion taken out.
That denon looks weak and tiny can't believe its 100 dollars more than the onkyo no wonder its out of stock the onkyo is way better
I have 6500H and like but want HDMI 2.1 and change to Dirac, but onkyo is powerful enough against the 6500H? Is my concern
Joe I am indecisive about decision for AvR
I can’t decide between Onkyo-NR7100 $1,099 and Denon X1700H is $799
Which would you say is better overall with features and sound , next gen features
@@Samurai_k3 does the Onkyo have Dirac?
TOTALLY worth it, Dirac is a game changer! Now please add AURO3D
I'd happily pay for an upgrade to my RZ50 if the option came out
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Fomo u are awesome
I just picked up a Pioneer wirh Dirac. Wow. So great..the price, features. Sound! DIRAC just does a better job with response and the reference curve is better than Denon Audessy. I can honestly say that Dirac is worth it and I am so glad that Onkyo and Pioneer survived.
7100 scheduled to arrive in a week or so and I'm so excited! Tried the trial version of DIRAC on my PC with MiniDSP and was FLOORED by how good it sounded.
Finally have my RZ50 on a 5.1.4 system. The Dirac is amazing!! Could not be happier.
Awesome! How long did you have to wait on that RZ50?
Love Onkyo stuff still have a tuner and works flawlessly and i never had a problem and i wish i could go for a Onkyo receiver i actually own a Sony with a stereo setup only no subs 2.0 system
thx for this inside Joe
Hello there - I think made right choice by getting Onkyo NR7100. However I have a problem with zone 2 HDMI audio.
I connected 5.1.2 in Main zone and 2ch in Zone 2 - but I'm unable to play same audio in both zones when the source is TV. My TV is connected to the receiver's HDMI OUT using eARC, I'm trying to play TV sound in all zones (like a party mode). Do you know how to get it work?
Would using the Altra center speakers standing up as lefts and rights sound better than the Ultra book shelf’s them selves.
Man I'd love that TX-RZ50.
I’m interested in the NR7100. Has anyone checked this receiver out? I haven’t seen any reviews. The RZ may be a little out of my price range. Plus, I don’t need that many channels, but want the Dirac.
With minidsp and rew you can also time align the subwoofers together if they are not equal distance from the mlp. About a year ago on the Hi-Fi Summit you had someone from NAD takling about the T 778. You should ask him if NAD will be adding Auro-3D anytime soon. I have a 778 that I got from Crutchfield in September and have until November 22 to test out Dirac and see if I want to keep it or not. I hope Onkyo dose add Auro-3d to their upcoming models.
I also own a T778. Would love Auro on there.
Hi, I have a question: I have a SALORA HI-FI 6300 AMP (170w) with equalizer and 2 bafles (95w each), how do you consider the price here? I need a price to sell, they have like 40 years old
I just returned the pioneer vsx-935, it's a nice receiver but it was lacking in features. So I have ordered the onkyo txnr7100, looking forward to the Dirac, I had to rent a place for a bit in between houses. And this room sucks. I have lower angle wall to deal with on one side. Hopefully dirlac helps.
If you have these receiver(s) can you please do a video on streaming and hi-fi sound quality using AV Receivers?
Ordered 3 TX-RZ70's, gonna make a reference system. Also have Krell gear, they call me the "Krell kid"
I can’t wait for the Onkyo’s RZ70/ RZ90 and Pioneer LX705 & LX905! I want EARC for lossless sound & class D amp
Thoughts on Auro 3D filing for bankruptcy protection?
I'll add it 2023...just got my 1st processor after using my X4700h as one with A7 & A5. Emotiva MC 1all rca ports good enough for this apt dweller for my already massive 7.2.4
Hi Joe 😊
I have an older Onkyo tx-nr3010 (if memory serves🤪). It had Audyssey, and I really do not like it. For the most part, it is ok, but the dynamic eq, fucks up some parts of the bass (insane overboost, making me almost jump out of my seat🤪), and if dynamic eq is turned of, things become too flat. So I use my Pioneer SC-LX 87 instead (also old), and it sounds a lot better. Also helps that the MCAA (roomcorrection) alows me to make changes to just about everything and have 6 different presets 😊 Also helps that it is a class D amp (powerfull), and I can actually bi-amp my center which is a fullrange tower 🙃 (seperate amps on L&R)
I am still waiting for a reciever that can deliever enough power to the centerchannel, have all the new features, and adjustability of the SC-LX87. Been looking at the RZ-50 and Yamaha A6A...
Probably will wait for Onkyo or Pioneer to make a higher end reciever.
I think the dirac live in the onkyo is full range.
Keep up the good work mate 🤘👍🤘
I have a Onkyo TX- NR696 running a 5.2.2 system with all 1st generation Bose 501 speakers and 2 Klipsch subs. I am going to upgrade to a 9 channel receiver so I can run a 5.2.4 system. My question is since all my speakers (except the subs) output highs and midrange frequencies will Dirac really help or could I get buy with Audyssey. If I don’t need Audyssey I can probably save $300-$600 on my receiver. Your opinion and insight is needed.
Andrew Robinson his Onkyo RZ 50 is his Pick for best AVR of the year DIRAC IS THE BOMB
Onkyo for the Win! The Onkyo TX-RZ50 is a easy choice over the Denon........MonoPrice is better but its $4K
I placed an order for the RZ50 through my local Video Only retailer near me. The big sell for me was Dirac and 3 HDMI 2.1 inputs for my Xbox and PS5. I wanted a higher end receiver or processor with multiple HDMI 2.1 input but the only other choice was the new Yamaha. Unfortunately their HDMI 2.1 tech is not ready so I'm not going to pay them to be a beta tester. I have a Yamaha RX-A1050 now but I can't get the room correction to blend my speakers nicely when doing 7 Ch stereo so I want to try something different. Fingers cross that the HDMI board won't fry once I get the receiver.
Me too. I ordered my RZ50 6 weeks ago from Crutchfield. Still waiting.
Hmm..I’m still doubts about Onkyo or Pioneer already had stable HDMI 2.1…
@@MrRshd what do you mean? Watch the HDTV Test Video. He shows HDMI 2.1 working flawlessly on this unit.
Are you guys still waiting for your Onkyo's?
I bought an rz50 this weekend because of Dirac live and price point
Joe is the onkyo tx rz70 an 11ch receiver
Does it work with Pioneer VSX-LX503? This is too confusing....
can anyone confirm if this displays the volume bar/volume overlay at 4K60? current AVR only shows at 4K30 and AVR is in cabinet so need volume feedback on screen
I will probably get a Onkyo 50 when if I can because I do love great sound but dang man I just am not going to invest 10-12-grand in all new speakers receiver amp and 11 new speakers and a possible new amp Id rather spend big bucks on a new chevy not boob tube stuff even though I like it a lot. HT has become a rich mans sport. I have a old pioneer VSK 84 receiver polk monitor 70's from 2000 and a B&w center and sound good still just only have 7.1. and no new formats. I am scared the new Onkyo at 1400 bucks will have more features Atmos etc but the sound quality wont be as good as what I have now. Seems to me they are all adding lots more features and cheating us on the built in amps. Give me more power Mr scott
So I bought the Onkyo NR6050 (not THX certified) the center channel sounded weak and "hollow" I decided (in part because of this video) to buy the Onkyo (Yes I like Onkyo) NR7100 because Dirac. The center channel sounds better, the odd things (appreciate any help) turning the filter off sounds "bigger"?
I have mixed speakers:
Front left and right are Wharfedale 400SE 40Hz-20,000Hz (I think)
Center 95Hz-20,00Hz Infinity Entra point 5
surrounds 100Hz-20,00Hz Infinity Entra point 5
Sub 34Hz-150Hz Infinity Entra point 5
Dirac set them all to 70Hz? except the sub LFE 120Hz
Should I set the crossover according to the specs?
Should I retest Dirac at a higher base volume?
So I just started buying pieces to build my ht. I am looking at multiple subs. So, do I have this correct, $349 for full bandwidth lic, then another $349 for multi sub lic, then another $100 or so for the mic? I am also Canadian, so factor in exchange. Started to get hard to justify all that. Is it really that much better?
Read the RZ50 text properly. It says "full frequency". There are three(3) Dirac versions. The bass correction, the up to 8K correction and the full frequency correction.
Are you out here making me second guess my decision on Denon for x6700H? ... What model do you think would be a step up from x6700H . if I want to retain the same features but gain something more?
Nothing unless you want Dirac!
@@stopthefomo ..I looked over the specs after this video and making my comment.. I can fully agree with that. The only thing I saw was .. " No Auro3D.. but you get Dirac "
Personally.. I'll treat my room instead to have better sound and keep Auro3D .. In my mind, room treatment is the wise decision because no matter what gear you ever buy.. the room will already be " tuned " properly.. and that allows the freedom to get whatever you want without listening to that " Woooopp! Woooop! " alien signaling for half an hour every time you ever move or change a piece of gear.... (too annoying for me)
@@Psyphonyx_Life If I had the money I would go x 6700 h to have auro 3 d. I have the sister company Marantz and that was the best electronic purchases I ever made
since onkyo does not support Auro 3D mahy be the Marantz Cinema 50 has it all for 2500 about a thousand more than the Onkyo but may be worth it?
The specs show that the pre-outs are lower voltage. That leaves those of us with external amps scratching are heads wondering "what's up with that"?
Does that mean you have to push the amp harder to get more volume?
@@zergslayer69 No, the preouts won't give enough juice to get full power out of the external amp
Just for anyone reading this for reference, it has been bench tested to well over 1V at the audio science forum. 3.5V max output I believe was the measurement, it’s more than enough for any external amp.
Not sure whether to go with Onkyo RZ50 or Pioneer lx505. Have Pioneer Elite SC91 which is about 6 years old.
I had the same dilemma. I like the look of the Pioneer Elite better, but went with the RZ50 because you can set the crossover frequencies on every speaker. With Pioneer you can't.
How about a review of the auro 3d firmware update for the txrz70!
I wish I had one to test
The manufacturer's don't advertise what transformers they use, so I would assume most AV's use a AI transformer, but the toroidal seems to be the way to go. Any thoughts?
Hi Joe u can not put the dirac curve in the Denon? Im not a Onkyo fan
That is an upcoming video I'm going to make. It isn't as simple as just putting the Dirac curve. You have to undo the Audyssey Reference curve first, then you can do it. I spent hours doing just that and I think I've come up with a way I can share with you guys.
@@joentell ooh that sounds pretty darn exciting to me. Can't wait for your Dirac hack.
@@joentell can't wait to see this video!
I've had the onkyo tx-rz50 on pre-order since sep 1. By the time I get it there's going to be a new model smh
Good morning, could you explain to me step by step how to calibrate in dirac live I have 2 days trying and I can't calibrate all the bubbles and it is set to 100p% and then it freezes and asks me to restart the application I have to create an account in dirac or just select tx-rz50 I already tried the 2 ways and I could not first without creating an account and then create an account and the same thing happens
There are lots of videos about Dirac. It should be the same.
@@joentell
I already tried a thousand times if it does the whole measurement process but when applying the filter is when it freezes and tells me to restart the application from there it does not happen I begin to think that my phone lg g7 thinq is not compatible with dirac
@@gerardorequenes7947 that's a possibility. Use a computer if you can.
Turn your subwoofer down and all ambient noise off. I know how frustrating it is. Don't give up on thr Dirac. It's so worth it. Hit me back if you canot get it
do you run MCACC/AccuEQ before you run Dirac, or just jump straight to Dirac?
I would imagine running those prior would not be useful as I assume Dirac would override those settings. I may be wrong.
@@joentell got it, thanks. Do you know if I can add the +6 dB Harman target curve to satellite speakers that only go down to 80 Hz? Will my Pioneer VSX LX-505 AVR automatically use the crossover to make sure the speakers won’t be boosted too much in the lower frequencies?
@@Mike_v_E the curve applies to all speakers but the crossover is there to protect your speakers. Just remember that if the crossover slope is 24dB per octave and you boost that area by +12dB, then the crossover is effectively only 12dB down in that area. You know what I'm saying right?
@@joentell i do understand what you mean, thank you!
Wat is Dirac wat does it do
Joe I have gotten caught up in life and interest have changed so I am still rocking a old 2006 pioneer elite but man does it still sound good music and movies. But now I have a burning desire for a new up to date receiver but my fear is on the Onkyo and pioneer now both owned by some other marketing co. Are they junk? I mean for real the Onkyo 50 at 1399.00 that's what I paid for my Pioneer almost 16 years ago! But I guess all this I said means nada since I can find and buy shit! So bad your doing a vidio on product no man can find/buy Oh and yea when I was a young man Vox was Audiovox and was bottom of the barrel JUNK. For comparison it was like going to walmart now and buying a Rca or emerson tv.
21:30 He's asking if Dirac operates full frequency or not on this receiver and the the first sentence of the Dirac description literally says "digital room correction technology improves overall audio performance ACROSS THE FULL FREQUENCY BAND WITH NO ADDITIONAL UPGRADE REQUIRED." but he reads the first few words then "ok... ok.." and his eye skips right over the end of the sentence and jumps down to everything else but what he was looking for. 😁
Yup, that sounds like me. But to my defense, try reading this while answering questions in the live chat. ;-)
@@joentell it's ok and understandable; I was internally cheering for you to just look back a few words. And remembering my middle school english teacher always emphasizing the importance of topic sentences. :)
@@cko519 I must've missed that class. I'll try to do better.
how is the remote..it looks cheap....i know its petty , remotes matter to me
1V on pre-out will not be able to drive most external amps to their full specs. 1V usually gets an amp to 100W if the amp gain is around 29db.
Great point, one thing right now I think Denon has over Onkyo. They never had a great output voltage.
Does it mean If I hook up a 200w x2 amp via pre-out, it won’t use its full power?
I also just have a gut feeling in 3 years or way less a onkyo will be die on a man IDK when you offer so so much for way less $ than all the competition something is cheep inside.
“room correction “ is only needed when you have 1 other person in the room saying your speakers sound bad without it. 😂. i have ran 2.1 for years in a very small bedroom with a stereo receiver. i have enjoy my movies and music for 10 years like that. hmm maybe it’s a placebo effect, where a company keeps saying you “ need” room correction to try to sell products. reminds me of diamond companies saying you need a “wedding ring” to get married when there is no such thing as a wedding anything. companies manipulate the public by putting the word wedding onto any product to make you think you need them. wedding ring, wedding dress, etc..etc..
That may be true, but it's pretty easy to tell whether room correction could help by simply doing a measurement. If you have a calibrated mic, take a measurement of your speaker, then compare it to how it measures from your listening position. You will see how the room affects the sound.
@@joentell of course, but my point is, if you never even heard of “room correction “ or never had some other person saying your set up sounds “bad”, you wouldn’t ask for something to fix the sound if the sound you were already hearing was good to your ears. it’s like, would you drink cough syrup if you have ZERO symptoms of a cough? 😁 if a person enjoys the sounds of peaks and nulls. what’s the problem? lol i don’t think the avr companies would want that made public. 🤣🤣
@@rushgush in other words, "ignorance is bliss?" I don't know man. Before I ever had access to any room correction, I was always messing with a graphic equalizer or tone controls to try to dial in the sound of my system in my room and in my car etc. There's no conspiracy. Room correction is just basically Auto-EQ with options for time alignment.
@@joentell i’m not trying to give you a hard time. i’m just digressing about the whole topic. i just find it interesting. i have been running the same hk3490 stereo receiver with a paradigm x30 crossover unit for my music and movies for 10 years roughly. i enjoyed my movies and music. i never once thought, hey i need a room correction cuz maybe my ears are wrong. i was thinking of getting the rz50 or denon 3700h, but i only have 2.2 set up in a 880 cubic foot bedroom, very tiny. iam only curious about the dual sub equalizer thing on the denon to see if it would sound any different, or worth it when it’s just a 2.2 set up, 😜
@@rushgush I appreciate the engagement. We don't always have to agree. Sometimes it's fun to go back and forth as long as the spirit is in fun and learning other peoples' perspectives.
Audyssey has become pale because they don't have decent tools and haven't kept up, they don't focus on interactive user tooling for consumers and this is a major problem, if you look at DIRAC they been spending time getting tools built around their services for users and business customers.
This has me asking questions.
If Dirac is so game changing and really changes completely how you speakers sound then why care about speakers any more.
Get a good pair of flat response speakers and subs as a blank slate, for Dirac to color to a response curve of your liking.
I always thought you brought speakers for their colouring of the sound. Now it probably would be a waist of money, if you are just going to change it.
I would guess speakers above a certain cost will no longer matter, as you are removing their uniqueness and sound traits to fit the curve.
Looks like a better sound average, but everything may infact start sounding the same.
Is this what we really want?
No matter how good the DSP is, aspects of the speaker still matter. It's not just the on-axis frequency response of the speaker that matters, but also how consistent the sound is when you move off-axis. This is called the directivity index. If it isn't consistent as you move off-axis, you can "fix" the frequency response for on-axis while making off-axis worse. In a typical room, you hear a combination of both the on-axis and off-axis sound.
The directivity or radiation pattern of the speaker has a big effect on how it interacts with the room and therefore how it sounds in a room. With a typical speaker, you cannot change that sound characteristic of a speaker. With many speakers facing different directions, it's possible to use beam-forming but definitely not common.
Another physical property of a speaker is it's frequency range. You can only extend the bass or high frequencies up to a certain extent. If the speaker can't do it, you can't force it to.
So to answer your question, I do think making speakers more accurate is desirable. Isn't that the definition of Hi-Fi? It's supposed to be a high fidelity reproduction of the original recording. But accuracy is only one aspect of this hobby.
I just got into mechanical watches. Accurate timekeeping is also desirable, but it's not everything. As with watches, I think hifi has to do with the other aspects of design: how it looks, how it makes you feel to own it, your perception of the brand, what others think of the brand, how it fits with the other components (with watches it's how it goes with your clothes).
To me, accuracy should be the prerequisite. It doesn't mean we can't have fun with it. After all, if you have an accurate speaker with a good directivity index, that means you can EQ it to sound the way you want it too!
@@joentell thanks for the response.
I totally agree. Hifi is many things and different aspects are more important to different people.
Just pointing out a few thoughts. I had similar questions for the sony ht a9 on another channel.
Where calibration / dsp meets hardware.
As someone who plays with impulse responses for guitar gear, it quite a cool piece of tech.
Emulating electronics, speakers and mics and acoustics is very real and really will have a huge impact on future hardware and software.
I think things like the a9 will come in and out of fashion but will eventually be the norm, once they are "good enough". Just like streaming.
There will always be enthusiasts, who want to go the path less travelled.
😀
The 1990's called, they want their home movie nights back.
Dirac is superior
Rather have Dirac the auro 3d
Doesn't matter cant buy um....
I just picked up a Pioneer..there are two available now wirh Dirac
II WANT ONE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It all starts with the HARDWARE, not the software. Polishing turds is a known failure teqnique. Not saying those are turds but as an example my amazon tablet im typing on says it has atmos... Get it?
The internet service where I live is so sketchy and so expensive as to be undesirable and unaffordable. Dirac doesn't work without a constant connection. I returned an avr because of that fact. I just have to trust my own ears and set it up myself. I do think it was overpriced because of its lack of portability.
Purchased ONKYO TX-RZ50. Tried MULTIPLE TIMES to calibrate with DIRAC with Windows and Android version. I am a techie BTW. Used high quality mic and it either told me too much DB or not enough. Gave up after 5 tries and used ancient built-in version instead. VERY UNHAPPY. This was part of the reason I spent the money on this receiver. FUTURE OWNER BE WARNED. DIRAC apps are VERY BUGGY and MAY NOT WORK. There's no one to help on this either. Neither ONKYO nor DIRAC has online resources to help you troubleshoot. I feel like I was cheated on this expensive feature that doesn't work.
I just uploaded this now. Maybe it will help. ua-cam.com/video/MpHBchXXICw/v-deo.html
Thanks for the info now I'm just going to buy the txnr6100... Dirac sounds complicated 😕
I find recievers so complicated hope Apple could had entered this space and made it intuitive
i always ask, do you enjoy your music using your ears, or letting measurements dictate what sounds good to you?. if your speakers sounded great. why on earth would u even look at any measurements? because once you do, and see some peak or null somewhere, then you would be like, oh i was wrong, it doesn’t sound good, cuz i measured a peak and before i guess my ears were wrong. 🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪
Ignorance is bliss. Most of the time if it sounds good, it also measures well. Do you drive a car and say, "Damn, this is quick!" and the horsepower, torque, and power/weight ratio doesn't reflect the experience? They go hand in hand. A lot of people buy Bose and this old systems were missing huge chunks of the frequency response. Is that good sound? Beats by Dre headphones sold a ton and they had exaggerated bass. Are those good sound? How about the guys with loud car audio systems and the license plate rattling. They also like the sound, but is it good? Good enough is the enemy of better. I'm trying to get people to better than a soundbar....or TV speakers...or Bluetooth speakers which...people also enjoy.
@@joentell depends on the person in the car. my mom would think 200 hp would be insane. i would say 500hp and up is insane lol. and yeah, i love digressing and gaining more insight
Onkyo is bankrupt
Dirac stinks. Who wants to look at graphs of what there sound looks like? I look at graphs and charts every day at work, trust me it’s not fun. Let AI do all the room correction so u don’t have to be bothered.
if you get the full dirac then yes its the best one if you know what you are doing