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Rethinking Thomas Cromwell
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a programme about Thomas more?
a bit of balance to mantel..
Drinking wine by the fire and listening to perfect history.
❤️🍷🔥❤️
Snuggled up in bed, waiting for husband and 4 cats to join me! Listening to David is mesmerising.
Its quite refreshing getting facts again
Almost revolutionary not to have politically correct nonsense attached to it : climate change, race ideology, militant feminism, LGBT obsessions
@@Marvin-dg8vj blissful facts
@@Marvin-dg8vj YES!!!!!!
What bollocks. And the replies as well. Do you really think people are unaware - I mean like the young man did right in front of me - who I saw trying to steal the purse from the bag of a young woman who was very drunk when we were getting ready to leave a nightclub in London in 1999.
If I were a paid poster trying to promote a general sense of antagonism between people who are perhaps predisposed to think poorly of those from other races - and thus watch long lectures on historical figures (like they might in Russia) - I might attempt to hoodwink the people watching by leaving a slew of messages which are poorly-worded and poorly put-together too.
@@inaleyen2737 This channel doesn't have any content.
I love the momentary loss of words displayed by a little stutter every now and then where he gets a little bit exited with his own story telling. The difference with this guy and others is the deep understanding of context versus knowledge of facts. Keep 'em coming Dr. Starkey, I'm addicted.
Yeah his attempts at an original take is what I appreciate. It's his story, based on his trove of facts, rather than a rehashed version. I'm OK with those rehashed versions, so it's more about giving credit where its due instead of an insult to those.
Camille Paglia is the same. They have a passion for their vocation.
True, but 500.000 years is a bit of a historical gaff
Thanks to God this man who is goaded into these magnificent lectures and emerges triumphant from the trash of his petty woke tormentors. A man for the regeneration of our historical achievements to shape our future aspirations in this glorious availability of real intellectual treasure. Bravo David
Spot on my friend the man is a legend !!
Yes, we’ve got him on a very regular basis now ❤️
Cambridge’s loss. Not complaining.
Agreed!
lol imagine being tormented by soy
David Starkey doesn't need the money, he's doing this for the public good. We all owe him a huge debt of gratitude for this, lesser men wouldn't have bothered.
I think many people who are not on UA-cam for the income quite legitimately need support to allow them to spend time and money producing good quality content rather than other activity that would earn them (probably more) money. If, instead of producing five profitable books, an author produces four profitable books plus a load of videos it is not unreasonable for them to receive income from the videos to at least partly compensate them for that loss. Video income is not very great for the time and effort involved. I suspect many people, like David Starkey, would be producing videos if they didn't get a penny piece for them. Passion for, and ability in a subject - plus the will to communicate that passion - creates many books and videos that do nothing for the author's finances. For many authors self-satisfaction and the esteem of their peers and followers is all they ever get (plus the very occasional professorship and even tenure) for their efforts.
Please, I mean he is great, but has a hugeeeeeeeee ego also hahaaha
That is what trump says.... and trumpositories believe him
David Starkey is such a brilliant intellect and communicator. Everything he shares is so insightful.
This man is a lesson to all those that are crying about 'CANCELL CULTURE'. He showed the middle finger to those who 'tried' to bring him down and went off to reach (SUCCESSFULLY) a new and established fan following. Well done Sir and thankyou, most enjoyable.
Well said. It is rather like the huge relief when a disruptive nuisance is removed from the classroom and the rest can listen, concentrate and enjoy.
Starkey = A God among men. His words, infallible. The blacks, too many (in Britain at least.)
Hold up.... was he being targeted for "cancelation?" He's a bloody historian for crying out loud! I'm off to find out why now (after I finish the vid, of course.)
@@Clint52279 I just looked it up. Apparently he's said some racially insensitive things last year and in 2011...
Cromwell was a genocidal maniac .
These lectures are brilliant, Dr Starkey. Please continue to do more on the Tudors, as well as Elizabeth I.
I agree with you William Lane Dr Starkey lectures are brilliant
After Dr Starkey's lectures I feel as if I ought to be writing a 2000 word essay on some aspect of it, fully referenced and in by next Thursday!
Oh you too? However, my paper is due on Monday and the pressure is overwhelming!
Did mine last week lmao
You just about can listening to him. I dunno it's so engaging, I absorb it so well.
I keep putting it off...finding other things to do..
Actually I once did a history course at uni partly taught by Christopher Coleman, who wrote a book with Starkey (was its name "Reformation Revised"?). He was even better than our venerable host here, by the way. He dropped David's name at one stage and a few years later this brash little fellow started appearing on the Moral Maze on Radio 4
....in the days when I listened to R4. Lifetime ago
@@SuperBartles It was "Revolution Reassessed"
Perfect Friday night evening. Shall pour myself a glass of wine and enjoy x
Red or white?
I went to university in the 1980's when tutorials where usually one student and one professor. These videos take me back....but at a much higher level!
brilliant, why do we need a bbc licence when we can find such history gems on youtube.
It is really simple. We don’t need a BBC.
Absolutely well said...
Tonies myth.
Because the overt right-wing flagwaving pseudo-patriotic propaganda of the likes of the GBfoxnews is a tad overbearing.
you don't need a licence if you throw the useless TV away ;-)
A bbc license!? Ha - laughs in American
miles better than anything on TV
Being cancelled has been a boost to Dr Starkey ; probebly not what his critics intended but he is back with thoughtfull and provacative opinions always well reasoned and backed up by impeccable evidence .
He was never cancelled, don’t talk rubbish. Those who disagreed with him either didn’t buy his books or didn’t want to publish his books. Neither of those are “ cancelling “ him a total exaggeration.
@@dianeshelton9592 These types are so hungry to be oppressed, consequences for reckless words and actions are now considered “cancellation”.
@@SmartStart24 I know where personal responsibility. You do something wrong, it has consequences.
@@SmartStart24 so the ones who make everything about slavery ARENT hungry to be oppressed?
It’s always been clear that Henry is the decider.
At last, you’re back!
I recall the History lessons I had when a schoolboy . Just a succession of events and dates , bones with no meat. How different the lessons could have been with teachers like David , explaining the politics and intrigue during great periods of English History. .
Thank God for Dr Starkey's willingness to share his lectures and his knowledge with us. My historical education has been greatly supplemented by him.
Thank you so much David Starkey for doing this! To be able to witness you sharing your immense knowledge with all of of us is a joy and a privilege. A fascinating insight into the tudors.
☘️ Dr.Starkey reminds me of my favourite history teacher at school. You just had to sit back and listen to her, she made it so interesting & with such passion that you could retain all facts without having to lift a book! 👏👏Mrs. Kearns.👏👏
Her type of teacher, certainly at Primary level, don't exist anymore, certainly not in England. They're dangerous because they're charismatic and can't necessarily be controlled.
Ironically he was James O’Briens history teacher 🤦🏻
Just found channel, now we're talking! David is such an engaging speaker, the man is just talking to the camera and I watched the whole thing totally engaged, absorbed the whole thing fully.
It isn't just these brilliant talks we are getting. It is great to see so many thoughtful and enthusiastic contributions as well.
would love to hear David speaking on Walsingham
Me too.
Fabulous stuff!
Brilliant point! The servant is not greater than his master.
Tell that to the governments now.....
All I can say is: wow!! Starkey just doesn't tell us what happened, he MAKES SENSE of what happened. Just like good economists do, Starkey understands that if you want to understand what happened, you have to take account of the motivations of the people involved and of the resources they had available to bring about what they wanted to achieve.
Compelling how can a 'University' deprive students of this superb historian and communicator. David makes you think in my case beyond my knowledge which leaves me wanting to know more.
Thank God you were given a nudge toward your own vids. Long may my education continue. Many many thanks
I'm enjoying all of your talks!
Whilst spending a short time at a secondary modern in the 60's, I always loved history.
I forget the reason but here's what happened after I'd handed a history homework essay in.
My Uncle was a Bevan Boy and had a pit pony. Now I do forget how the subject came about but I asked my Uncle about his time in the mines and his pit pony. My teacher, on returning it back to me stated that I had made the whole thing up. Mum reminded me that I was highly indignant and informed my teacher, "it was his pit pony, do you want to argue with him." (the pony refused to go into the pit one day and that refusal saved my Uncle's life when there was a massive cave in and no one came out alive).
I would have loved to hear Dr Starkey's response to my essay!
I went to Uni aged 40 and history was my major.
👏👏👏 Hurray! That was fantastic! Thank you, Professor Starkey, you are a 10!
Another great talk from Mr Starkey - beautifully told 🙌👏
What a pleasure to listen to such an erudite examination of Cromwell and his role as
Henry V111’s right hand man. A real treat. Many thanks. 👏👏👏
Before I listen to you this evening …. my opinion is that Cromwell is the best of all the Councillors of the Kings and Queens of that period perhaps the best, until the victorians come along. Now I shall listen to the Doctor and hear who and what he actually was. Myth v reality - I love it
Can’t wait
Thanks for posting.
Great Lecture the other night with the SDP too Dr David - very well received. 🙏
I've never really liked history, but David Starkey is just about the only historian who has so much enthusiasm for the subject, that I enjoy listening to his lectures and in turn, makes me enthusiastic about history. Shame there aren't more history teachers like Starkey in the school system.
David Starkey is my favorite historian.
I not only enjoy watching his shows/docs but I have also learned alot over the years.
Thank you David Starkey for your dedication to history and educating the masses!!
Still find it unbelievable DS was jettisoned by the wokus-pocus powers that be in Cambridge. This brilliant historian is appreciated by many not just for his insight but also for saying what he really thinks rather than seeking refuge in the safety of nebulous babble that so many with a public profile serve up.
Gibberish.
@@basfinnis says the woke simp.
@@basfinnis u OK hun?
@@basfinnis You are in a minority in such opinions, as those pesky general elections keep on proving, eh?
On one of these wonderful videos, I wish you would give us a tour of your bookshelves.
Could you please do a talk on Catherine of Aragon??
I love these talks. I live in NZ and am really interested in Englands history. I'm a slow reader and love being educated by your talks. Thank you so very much
Such a fantastic discourse on a pivotal and often misinterpreted figure!
I remember at school almost the entire subject of Henry VIII was about his wives rather than the implications of what this had.
My lessons on Henry VIII focussed more on the character of the man and his ministers and how it effected foreign and religious policy.
Most people know more about Jack the Ripper than they do about the entire Victorian period. 🤷♂️
“I receive: A loyal and competent minister who will serve me well for many years and provide good service for England.
You receive: The chopping block cos my wife isn’t pretty enough.”
- Henry VIII to Thomas Cromwell. (Probably)
Henry VIII: You wanted the power, the money and the glory. You had it. You should have had the sense to realise this came as the gift of a capricious king - me.
Actually, Henry begetting a male successor was a big thing and had that properly happened on Cromwell's watch, with a wife popping out three or four robust lads, well things would have turned out differently, especially for TC. So much comes down to chance.
Well more like: This pretty, kind, intelligent and politically useful wife you have found me isn’t able to hide the fact she doesn’t want to shag an aging, foul smelling, disabled, creepy letch and her obvious disgust means I can’t get it up with her.
I didn't know about the closure of some small monasteries under Wolsey, neither did I know about the Treaty of Amiens and that 'French pension'; fantastic way to increase learning.
TV's loss is UA-cams gain!
Thanks for the video, Dr. Starkey. I watched "Wolf Hall" and felt like I really needed to learn more about Cromwell. You filled in many of the blanks. It seems that Henry's "minister" was in effect his consiglieri. Quite the brilliant man.
Thank you David. Outstanding.
So glad to find this channel. David Starkey is one of my favorite historians.
Love listening to this guy, he simply makes history even more interesting. A real class act.
Absolutely fantastic, David. Thank you so much for sharing your scholarship with us.
The brilliant David Starkey. Keep it going Dr Starkey. You are brilliant.
Thrilled to have found your channel Mr, Starkey, our a a commonwealth treasure cheers from Canada🇬🇧🇬🇧🇨🇦🇨🇦
I love you David Starkey. Thank you for being here.
This’ll be good 😘
'twill!
David, thank you for this.
I appreciate him bring up Mantel because her books and stories are just that, stories. They are made up fiction, that try to put an outlook on the 16th century. More, as David states, was always the more brilliant man. One is orthodox so in today’s culture he is the villain. More outshines Cromwell in almost all aspects in life. It’s a fact. However, Cromwell was great at his job and a cunning man. Interesting listen!
I actually find both More and Cromwell to be pretty ruthless and not particularly likable however they were creatures of the time and in order to thrive in Tudor England, you had to step over a lot of other people. The problem with that was you made plenty of enemies who would leap at the chance to step over you.
@@graphiquejack I appreciate your opinion. I just disagree about More. He was a humanist, friends of Erasmus, writer of Utopia and other great theological works, etc. How one can truly tell he was a great man- 2 reasons: He kept his reputation even in Tudor and Elizabethan England as a Catholic martyr and he is not only a saint in the Catholic Church, but also COE.
@@eddiecorrigan3619 Respectfully, I think if your categorisation of More as a great man is dependent in a large part on him being a revered religious figure, it is potentially more subjective than you've presented it here. Whether people agree with you that he was an admirable person may well depend on whether they consider the values of the religions that venerate him (socio-cultural values, not just scriptural ones) to be worthwhile. I agree that he was an admirable man by the standards of his time. I'm just not so certain that that translates into him being someone who is universally a figure worthy of admiration.
Haven't seen anyone treated as bad as Starkey by pampered woke children since Thomas Cromwell had his cut off by Henry VIII!
Don't be giving me ideas
Scruton was also ignominiously mistreated right before his death of cancer, which I find highly iniquitous.
I remember your Sunday radio show on Talk radio in the mid to late 1990's, never was more sence spoken
To think Ash Sarkar sat opposite him. It's like the sun accross from a potato.
So glad you just posted this. I’m a serious fan of Mantel, but know she presents a well woven story. It’s a pleasure to hear the currently understood history of Cromwell. Interesting to hear a merit based way of rising in the social structure of England.
Love these lectures keep them coming!
I am doing the Tudors as one of the components in A level History, and almost all of what Dr Starkey is saying has not been covered at all. The aftermath of the Treaty of Amiens, in terms of royal finances is pivotal, whereas we have only been told that it was Henry's wars that ruined finances. Thank you for providing such important information that I was oblivious to
Thank you, Dr. Starkey, I am thrilled to have found you and hear, once again, the truth from the one person I can always count on for providing real, unadulterated, unbiased history. You have the innate, superb ability to see these characters and their actions through the lens of their particular era. So many other so-called "historians" (and I use the term loosely in their case) read and summarize their findings through a modern lens, which is infuriating. I am a huge fan of yours here in the USA and delighted to see and hear you!
Thanks again David for educating me.
What a thought provoking talk. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. My first introduction to Cromwell was the film “A Man For All Seasons” in which Thomas More is all but deified and Cromwell comes across as a villain of the worst possible kind. Other films, TV presentations and books (both fiction and non-fiction) continued to paint Thomas Cromwell in the deepest shades of black in order to underscore his evil nature. Imagine my complete surprise when I read “Wolf Hall” and the other two books in the Cromwell trilogy as well as Diarmaid MacCullough’s excellent biography of Cromwell and discovered a very different man than the one that I had previously known! Sir Thomas More was also a very different individual than the shining hero that playwright Robert Bolt had led me to know. I must confess that I find Cromwell a bit of a chameleon. As he advanced in King Henry’s service it seems to me that he became torn more and more often by placating and carrying out the wishes of an increasingly capricious and narcissistic ruler on one hand while trying to live true to his own principles and setting the proper example for Gregory, Richard and Rafe as well their families plus his other dependents and household staff members. He would also have had to been aware at some level, too, that the men that he worked with in government, especially those members of the nobility who never let him forget his humble beginnings, would’ve been thrilled to see him make a mistake that would’ve caused him to lose face before Henry. That kind of constant pressure must have been difficult to bear. I’ve often wondered how he dealt with it or if he dealt with it. His fall was shocking to me not only in its speed but also because so many of the men that he had helped to rise in the government and whom he had treated almost as family either openly turned against him or refused to stand up for him in his time of need. And of course Henry regretted executing him not long after his death. Cromwell was no knight in shining armor, but he deserved a much better ending than the one that he received at the end of his life.
Cromwell didn’t deserve to die for his role in getting the king to marry Anne of Cleves, but perhaps he did for the trumped up case he invented to take down Anne Boleyn. I find it hard to have much sympathy for him. He like virtually every member of court was ruthless and willing to step over others to get ahead, so if he fell victim to that himself, so be it. But in the end, Henry needs to shoulder the most blame for having all the power and allowing an environment where factions not only debated for power, but tore each other apart like rabid animals in a cockfight.
Please do a lecture on Francis Walsingham.
I think his intelligence would almost match Thomas More.
I would say that Cromwell seems to have had a fantastic memory for numbers and keeping track of what noble owned what etc, as well as anything else that could be filed away in his fantastic mind as he slaved away in Henry's salt mines!
Wonderful learned stuff! Thank you so much.
The message to todays Parliament needs to be, in the name of God go!
Thank you for a fantastic talk David .
I wish David had been my teacher at school.😭
Thanks for discussing Thomas Cromwell, I think he’s really interesting and had some great ideas. He designed the crown takeover of church properties to endow the crown with a steady, certain income for decades to come. Henry VIII, of course, blasted through the money instead, by giving or too-generously selling the properties to his buddies and his vanity-war in France. The French indulged him by letting him “take” a few towns, while he was acting as general from his litter, too fat and unhealthy to ride, just to get rid of him. They knew he had to get his teenage dreams of military glory out of his system before he could be somewhat reasonable to deal with.
I'd love to see this channel tackle something outside its comfort zone like King Stephen
One of Britain’s National treasures. Great content!
Thank you Dr Starkey, it is so nice to see you again you are the BEST there is on UA-cam
Something I have never understand is how Thomas Cromwell stuck around long enough to be executed. I've always thought that Cromwell was far to astute and as so surely must have realised how his position was changing.
Cromwell was brought up in the household of the egregious John Morton, and you couldn't get more of a backstairs slitherer than Morton.
Backstairs slitherer! Ha.
Great as always Dr Starkey. Is there any chance we'll see a video of Lord Burghley soon. He served Elizabeth longer than More, Wolseley and Cromwell served Henry combined didn't he?
I have missed your great lessons, Dr. Starkey. I have all your books and documentaries. Thank you very much from Catalonia.
Thank you Dr starkey for the history lesson here. Much appreciated
So glad you've found your place in the world. Welcome back. May you have, health, wealth, and happiness in the coming new year.
Brilliant! So privileged to get this high quality content. Thank you
Thank you so much for doing these for us- a real gift and I’m actually learning!
Thank you so much Doctor Starkey. I'm a long time fan. I've finally waded through the 3rd and final volume of Hilary Mantel's lugubrious, though fascinatingly so, trilogy. I then watched a Gresham College lecture on the Catholic Reformation in Tudor England, have just recieved the Diarmaid MacCulloch bio of Cromwell from the library, and now you. I'm an art historian, and lecturer (and artist). I have always been very interested in Hollbein and the later Tudor artists, so have dabbled in the cultural history of the courts. My problem with Hilary is that she does seem quite prejudiced against the Catholic majority of the time (I lived in Cambridge for 4 years so do understand the religious strife that still carries on in jolly old). Should I mention that I am Canadian? Do you have an opinion on the Diarmaid bio? Or Hilary's bias? The cover of the bio refers to Tom Cromwell as having had a revolutionary life. I guess I'd just better read the thing. eh? Thanks again. I'll be watching your talks with bated breath.
I gave up with reading Mantel having waded through the Wolf Hall. I listened to the second from an audio book and am now listening to the third. It’s more manageable this way. She writes a bit like a play so listening to Ben Miles is great.
many have missed your wonderful knowledgeable lectures. Its wonderful to hear you speak I will tune in on a regular basis, thankyou for this channel.
Insightful
Love the insight of the ceremonial and the instrumental being at the heart of the drama.
Henry takes advantage of Cromwell's contribution.
Monarchs learned that lesson or suffered the consequences.
Thank you so much for these videos. It’s an invaluable gift for the public to understand the importance of history 🙏💜🙏
This is a much more intimate and effective way to present history. No wasted moments, just you talking about the history you know so much about.
I am deeply impressed with your methods and your resilience under the recent pressure you have been placed under. I do so hope it has freshened you as it certainly has me. It may sound a bit trite to say this, but well done you!
Absolutely fascinating. Looking so forward to your additional videos.
I would like to know what Mr Starkey thought of the Wolf Hall drama a few years ago
the first real historian i remember watching on television when I was a young girl and to whom I owe all of my interest in the tudors. I came across this video tonight after hearing of the death of Mantel, which greatly saddened me. and i was hooked on this talk from the get go. Starkey is one of the brilliants of our age in the historical world. I remember when I read his 6 wives of Henry book that I was slightly put off by one description of Anne Boleyn and likening her to Princess Diana, which I didn't really like. Nonetheless, this talk on Cromwell was brilliant and fascinating. I completely agree with his viewpoint that of course Henry was the one pulling the strings, and his strength lies in his ability to appoint people like Wolsey and Cromwell to work for him. I have never agreed with the view that these men pulled Henry's strings, that Henry was too busy hunting to be bothered with the role of government. A brilliant talk, and I am so happy I have found this channel and all the other talks he has recorded.
I loved Hillary Mantel's books. : (
I have literally seen your episodes like 10 times each one, I especially like King Child Edward 🤴 . You have the perfect narrative voice to do videos of the past.💖💗
Sublime! Rich tapestry of information on this period.
Great talk. Thanks for doing this 💗
I would love to see a discussion by Mr Starkey on his predictions for the woke society and the cancelling of anything not woke.
Comparisons with the puritans are inevitable.
Now exactly,what do you mean by woke. It means according to the urban dictionary, treating everyone with respect.
If you don’t mean that what exactly do you mean ?
Keep it up sir, I love all of your work.
Thank you David
Love this guy for his knowledge and the way he articulates history
Another thoroughly enjoyable lecture thank you Dr Starkey
Excellent, fascinating lecture.
Wow, literally watching The Tudors series & thinking wish I had a decent study on Cromwell 😊 Cromwell had a very difficult complex Job! Way ahead of his generation.