2023-03-05 San Diego Ramana Satsang: Investigating ourself is the antidote to our rising as ego

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  • @SriRamanaTeachings
    @SriRamanaTeachings  Рік тому +5

    A clearer audio copy of this video can be listened to on Sri Ramana Teachings podcast (ramanahou.podbean.com ) or downloaded from ramanahou.podbean.com/e/investigating-ourself-is-the-antidote-to-our-rising-as-ego/ and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened on the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from www.mediafire.com/file_premium/1ftfzjubmfw4oti

  • @SriRamanaTeachings
    @SriRamanaTeachings  Рік тому

    Shorter Q&A videos from this channel can be watched on youtube.com/@sriramanateachingsqa

  • @Leenyazbek
    @Leenyazbek Рік тому +6

    26:26 "as pure being this world is real, as something other than our self it is unreal"

  • @paulsewick5270
    @paulsewick5270 Рік тому +7

    @1:49:40 “If we are correctly following Bhagavan’s path, we will never lose our balance of mind, because we are attending to the source of all clarity.” ❤

    • @SriRamanaTeachings
      @SriRamanaTeachings  Рік тому +9

      Guru Vacakak Kovai verse 745:
      ஞான சொரூபான்ம நம்பனைப் பற்றியுளத்
      தூனமறு நிட்டை யுறப்பயின்றே - தானறிவு
      மத்த முறக்கலங்கி மாழ்கலமு துண்டொருவன்
      செத்தொழித லேயாந் தெரி.
      ñāṉa sorūpāṉma nambaṉaip paṯṟiyuḷat
      tūṉamaṟu niṭṭhai yuṟappayiṉḏṟē - tāṉaṟivu
      matta muṟakkalaṅgi māṙgalamu tuṇḍoruvaṉ
      settoṙida lēyān teri.
      பதச்சேதம்: ஞான சொரூப ஆன்ம நம்பனை பற்றி உளத்து ஊனம் அறு நிட்டை உற பயின்றே தான் அறிவு மத்தம் உற கலங்கி மாழ்கல் அமுது உண்டு ஒருவன் செத்து ஒழிதலே ஆம் தெரி.
      Padacchēdam (word-separation): ñāṉa-sorūpa-āṉma-nambaṉai paṯṟi uḷattu ūṉam aṟu niṭṭhai uṟa payiṉḏṟē tāṉ aṟivu mattam uṟa kalaṅgi māṙgal amudu uṇḍu oruvaṉ settu oṙidalē ām teri.
      English translation: Know that [telling a story about] someone becoming mentally deranged, confused and ruined [because of] practising clinging to jñāṉa-svarūpa-ātma-nambaṉ [God, who is oneself, whose very nature is pure awareness] in the heart to achieve blemishless niṣṭhā [the state of being firmly fixed as pure being] is just [like telling a story about] someone dying [because of] drinking amṛta [ambrosia, the nectar of immortality].

    • @rblais
      @rblais Рік тому +1

      🙏

    • @nathansmith5558
      @nathansmith5558 Рік тому +2

      Alas there are sometimes people who claim that they have lost their mind and/or went into a deep depression because they've practiced vichara. That verse from GVK clearly states otherwise, any problems only arise from the mind - never by "I am", how could that possibly be since "I am" never changes?
      Michael, you have misspelled Vachaka in your first sentence. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @christianandersson2217
    @christianandersson2217 Рік тому

    Thank you! 🙏

  • @scotto827
    @scotto827 Рік тому +3

    Great discussion Michael and group, thank you!

  • @dragon672
    @dragon672 Рік тому

    Thank you.

  • @Carsten-Karthik
    @Carsten-Karthik Рік тому +3

    So wonderful to listen to this wisdom! Thank you ❤️

  • @rviswanathan
    @rviswanathan Рік тому +2

    🙏

  • @miltonmartinez6698
    @miltonmartinez6698 Рік тому +2

    🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @nathansmith5558
    @nathansmith5558 Рік тому +2

    Here under the auspices of Michael we discuss our understanding of Bhagavan's teachings. However we should not presume what others are supposed to do since we all already know that the remedy for all issues is vichara.
    Thus the sincere sadhaka, rather than pointing out seeming faults in others, like not always practicing vichara (nobody here practices always vichara) or being seemingly intrusive, one rather correct one's own many shortcomings and, according to Bhagavan, correcting one's own shortcomings takes care of the shortcomings of others since these shortcomings of others can only be one's own shortcomings projected onto those "others". Therefore if one sees "others" being intrusive then this is just the evidence of one's own tendency to intrude. All faults seen in others are our own faults the ego has put on a blind spot. Bhagavan helps us to see our own blind spots when we project our own shortcoming onto others. We just need to use discrimination.
    A pure jiva cannot see any fault in others. 🙏

    • @ajantaforeign
      @ajantaforeign Рік тому

      Impressed by your devotion to Bhagwan. You have assimilated teachings of Bhagwan into your life. May we all achieve the high state which Bhagwan did and experience the bliss of the Self !

    • @nathansmith5558
      @nathansmith5558 Рік тому

      @@ajantaforeign Thank you for your kind wishes. Having assimilated Bhagavan's teachings is one side, the other side is to practically applying it. In that regard I fail every day many times to surrender to Bhagavan, I can only hope that His grace has mercy on me.

  • @TheDeepening718
    @TheDeepening718 Рік тому +2

    The witness does not sit behind everything. This sitting behind-ness is the I-thought. The sense of the witness sitting behind everything is why you think you're made of dirt. The superimposition of the elements coincides with the sense of separateness in the witness.

  • @sjain8111
    @sjain8111 Рік тому +1

    🙏🙏🌙🪔

  • @gireeshneroth7127
    @gireeshneroth7127 Рік тому

    The whole thing is exclusively a consciousness activity. Consciousness misinterprets itself to itself.

  • @netineti3901
    @netineti3901 Рік тому

    My gratitude to Michael May I know on what channel and on what date and time will the live program of Swami Sarvapriyananda and Michael James be broadcasted on? Thank you in advance.
    My heartfelt gratitude to all who made this video possible 🙏🏼

    • @SriRamanaTeachings
      @SriRamanaTeachings  Рік тому +2

      The link to the live-stream video scheduled for May 1st is ua-cam.com/video/a9BPXIw-Prc/v-deo.html
      ​Namo Ramanaya
      🙏🙏🙏

    • @netineti3901
      @netineti3901 Рік тому

      @@SriRamanaTeachings thank you very much for your kindness and information

  • @maicolx7776
    @maicolx7776 Рік тому +1

    Spirits tell that some spirits will remain with the dead body until all laces between the body and sprit have solved. That usually takes 3 days but sometimes longer and that can happen in a coffin, feeling the parasites, smelling the corps rottening etc. Spiritist Doctrine. So the person/ego could be in a dead body?
    Surely this all is my dream. 😊

  • @quake3quake3
    @quake3quake3 Рік тому +2

    Namaste,
    I am sorry to have to say this but the lady called Melissa seemed very confused and delusional. This is why it's so important to have a proper guru to go through the purification process before jumping into Self-inquiry. Sri Swami Sivananda used to say "Serve, Love, Give, Purify, Meditate, Realize. For people who have huge inflated egos, it is advised to do at least 2 years of selfless service (Karma Yoga) and at the same time engage in Japa/Mantra. Bhakti (devotion) is also very suitable for them. It is extremely rare for a person to be ready for self-enquiry. I don't in any shape or form support these new non dual teachers like Mooji etc. who advice people to do self-enquiry without any purification process. You can see that many of them end up in deep depression and eventually psychosis. When you study Sri Ramana's work, you see that he gave each person a different practice according to their minds because only a true Guru can know your mind. I think Michael is doing a great job representing Sri Ramana and may God bless him.

    • @maicolx7776
      @maicolx7776 Рік тому

      Not confused nor delucional but is a type of person that thinks profoundly and very detailed for minimazing the margin of a potencial error in hers, or the other persons understanding.

    • @quake3quake3
      @quake3quake3 Рік тому +1

      @Patricia Valle
      Namaste,
      All the questions and statements that were put by you, is already in my post. Still let me make it more clear. Bhakti (devotion) is surrender. Whether if someone needs two years of karma yoga or not is based on their Prarabdha Karma (Past Karmas). Some people automatically awaken at an early age due to having done lots of sadhana (spiritual practice) in previous lives. Others need to go through a long purification process. The purification is of the mind. There are lots of stored vasanas (Old impressions, tendencies) that needs to be brought up to the surface and solved. This is why I wrote that only a authentic Guru can prescribe the right type of sadhana for the disciple. Otherwise the seeker will go in circles. Nothing wrong with going in circles because eventually the suffering will be a blessing in disguise and the seeker will finally surrender. When the seeker is truly ready, I mean not in a way that he/she is attached to work, husband, wife, children, family etc, but he truly wants nothing but God/Truth, then the guru will undoubtably manifest. I will take it so far to say that only when the seeker is ready to die for the truth, yes truly DIE, only then will truth reveal itself. So householders and people with lots of attachments can do a little sadhana every day. Also not everyone is going to become doctors, taxi drivers, farmers etc., in the same way not everyone want realization. It is extremally rare to find a true seeker. Most of us complain that we don't have anything to do any practice, but still he have time to sit 2 hours or more behind our screens to watch a video. Let's say the video is sharing knowledge, how many of us go and sit with ourselves to apply that knowledge? In my humble opinion, we don't want truth as much as we want the world. Because of that, we have to suffer more. If you are interested in starting somewhere. I recommend that you start with Swami Sivananda's Twenty Important Spiritual Instructions. He has written over 300 books and you can download most of them for free on www.dlshq.org/download/ .
      Any book that you'll pick, I guarantee you that the pages will speak to you directly and solve your doubts. That's the power of the omnipresent Guru! God bless

    • @quake3quake3
      @quake3quake3 Рік тому +1

      @Patricia Valle
      Namaste,
      There is actually zero contradiction. Every teaching is according to the seekers ripeness. Sri Ramana might say to one seeker, to whom does these karmas or vasanas appear? Still yet he might give a completely different advice to another. One seeker he might initiate into a mantra, another he might put in construction work. Again he might tell one to start eating a specific diet and to go into seclusion and meditate on the Self. No one medicine can cure all sickness, similarly different methods are given to different minds. A realized guru can look inside the seekers mind, so he knows what's suitable for that seeker. Now if a realized guru is not available, then we have to turn to their teachings but at the same time have a strong sense of surrender. Only in that state of utter humility will God work through us and impart the right knowledge, which destroys ignorance. God bless

    • @quake3quake3
      @quake3quake3 Рік тому

      @Patricia Valle
      Namaste,
      Whether you are Melissa or not doesn't matter to me because we are here to serve. The Buddha said: ”Should you find a wise critic to point out your faults, follow him as you would a guide to hidden treasure.”
      When it comes to psychosis, most people are suffering from it. The difference is only in the degree of psychosis. Isn't believing that we are the body, thoughts and separate individuals a huge psychosis? How does this psychosis arise? Well, the masters tell us it's due to avidya (ignorance), but also that it actually never arose in the first place, just like when you were having a dream of drowning, but then you suddenly woke up realizing that it never took place. But when we are in suffering/delusion/ignorance, it doesn't really help us to hear these things, just like your fear won't be quenched during a huge earthquake in a dream, if someone inside the dream was telling you that you were dreaming and you needed to wake up. In that moment it's absolutely real to you. So what to do? Through guru, effort, willpower, earnestness, humility, surrender, knowledge, we try to bring yourselves out of this ignorance/ suffering. We are not suffering in the deep (dreamless) sleep, why? Because the mind is in a so called seed form, ready to sprout upon awakening. During that state, the thoughts are absent. As soon as we wake up, the thoughts again manifest and take one either to the past or the future. So through introspection, one can clearly recognize that it is the mind/thoughts that is causing all the problems. We can't sleep forever, so we need to bring that deep sleep state into this waking state, that being called the fourth (turiya) state. So basically, only samadhi can cure psychosis or ignorance, and samadhi can't happen until one is completely free from desires and identification with the body-mind/the world phenomenon. We continue to take a body due to our desires and we know that desires are more than the stars in this universe. But isn't God-Realization and to be free from ignorance, also a desire? Yes it is, but it's a sattvic (pure) desire, which later also has to be given up (it will eventually fall out spontaneously). So friend, we can't tell people to start meditating or to start doing self-enquiry, as it may strengthen their psychosis and delusion, especially when we ourselves are still in ignorance.
      Sti Ramana said: “Your own Self-Realization is the greatest service you can render the world”. From my own experience, suffering is our greatest teacher. Even if Christ himself or Ramana would walk this earth today, how many would follow him? How many did follow him in the past? So these people with very strong ignorance, due to strong past karma's need to go through suffering. Eventually that suffering leads to surrender and in that surrender God reveals himself. All this being said, we can still try to help through the repetition of God's name, through prayers, through love and compassion. All these can ease the suffering. God bless

  • @michaelnice93
    @michaelnice93 Рік тому

    The woman asking at 44:00 what the hell is the point of samsara and the deluded life of a separate individual ego almost everyone is apparently living has a very good question. Ramana never said anything about that so Michael has no real satisfactory answer. I have pondered this for a two decades while I practice the teachings. My conclusion is that the point of samsara with all its attendant dissatisfaction and suffering is to create an alternate reality that seems real just for its own sake. It is a opportunity to experience ourselves as something other than permanent peace and perfection. It exists as a alternate dream only because it can and its value is convincing us something is wrong or bad, both ourselves and other things. This wrongness is the point and product of life. In a perfect universe when we reify what we believe is wrong we are fulfilling our purpose of this life. This is my understanding. So it makes the choice simple are we more attracted to that which is true, correct, wholesome, perfect, good? Or are we more attracted to that which is apparently wrong, incorrect, unwholesome, imperfect, and bad? We either attend the false reality of samsara for its own sake or the true inner self for its own sake. This understanding has helped me stop my mind from attempting to solve the puzzle of what all this apparently important activity of life in samsara is all about.

    • @nathansmith5558
      @nathansmith5558 Рік тому +1

      Michael gave the only and best answer, you just have not grasped what he was pointing to, also with his reference what Bhagavan has said when questions like that were asked. In due course it will dawn to you, however your solution is not helpful since you are just replacing one concept with another one what may seemingly satisfy the mind but does not help at all to realize the Self.
      Also you said you "practice the teachings" for two decades. Practicing means for me vichara/surrender. If you really are properly practicing vichara then you'd know that this is the answer to the conundrum of samsara.
      There is no samsara, only for the mind. Mind IS samsara. Solution: Vichara/surrender. Case closed 😉

    • @nathansmith5558
      @nathansmith5558 Рік тому

      There is no reason why there is samsara. Why? Because it only exists with the rising of the ego. Without the rising of the ego there is no samsara.
      Alas the ego, being always confused, learns some spiritual concepts and then suddenly wants to know, "where is samsara coming from, what is the point of it?", overseeing that it is itself what created it and asking questions about it is samsara itself.
      There is no samsara, it NEVER existed. That's what the sages taught. It seemingly exists only for the ego. That's why there is no Self-realization, the ego cannot realize Self since it does not exist as samsara does not exist.
      Actually, the ego wondering about the "reason for samsara" is another trick to avoid vichara. The ego has many tricks in its sleeves which gives it excuses to avoid vichara, this is one of them.
      This whole issue is confusing and many misunderstand it like the Neo-advaitans, i.e. Poonja, who proclaimed, "nothing to do, call of the search, nothing to understand" etc. what is correct from the viewpoint of Self but not for the ego. Because that samsara does not really exists does not help the ego who gives samsara seeming reality.
      That seeming reality won't go away until the phantom (dream) ego practices vichara which transcends samsara and slowly dissolves the ego until Self remains and never will be the question about the cause of samsara.
      That's why Bhagavan always answered, "look first for the one who is asking that question (the reason for samsara) and after that we can look at it again" thus pointing to vichara. Because simultaneously with completely turned within samsara disappears and no question could remain.
      Anything else than vichara just perpetuates samsara and keeps confusing the ego.