I've never thought I'd meet someone who agrees with me that the show is kind of worse off without the Time War. It was nice to have this huge, eldritch event, that feels like it's been brewing slowly, until it just exploded into the most spectacular, horrible extinction event, and now, we are left with a new timeline, a young timeline, where the creatures from classic Who are relegated to legends, and a broken hero, who is doomed to wander the universe, alone, the last of the time lords. I think that makes for a much more interesting background/world building for Doctor Who than just "Oh, there's a silly man, he has a box, he sometimes goes back to this planet of funny mathematicians with weird hats"
"Things die, it's just what they do. Every minute of every day, on every world, every galaxy, something dies. Crying over it is spitting into the wind. Death is natural, yes. But there comes a time in the history of all civilisations, worlds great and small when something, some event, some disease, some war. Tips the balance of things, when even nature must look at the numbers and nervously catch its breath and on those occasions. Well, it's time to make plans.... a time for change" - The War Master: Only The Good - The Heavenly Paradigm.
At this point I think it's safe to say you might be the best Doctor Who discussing UA-camr on this platform, right up there with stubagful. Every vid is brilliantly done 👏
My “issues” is just that the time war has been hyped up for a decade, it would never live up for the hype and a lot of people are kinda sick of daleks cannot describe my disappointment when the “nightmare child” was a dalek. The Neverweres should really go unexplained but if they have to show up *DONT MAKE THEM DALEKS* . And I do love some of it (the master stuff is great) I’d have loved to see some of the war doctor actually being “war like” going against his nature and killing daleks and whatever happened on skull moon, not him saving people (the war doctor wouldn’t save Davros, 8 might war wouldn’t)
I thought the Nightmare Child was a giant war ship or ancient space being like Unicron from Transformers. I was disappointed it was just a Dalek variant.
Although I understand your disappointment that the Nightmare Child is a Dalek, it's pretty harsh to simply refer to it as "a Dalek" like it's just another random Dalek design. Far from that in fact, it's an eldritch abomination of a Dalek, possibly the most destructive Dalek in existence. A colossal, raging tsunami that devours everything, including thousands of fellow Daleks at a time. The Nightmare Child was Davros' attempt at creating "the perfect Dalek", and, in a twisted, morbid sense, succeeded.
There is no exception, why the Dalek have this planet, the story could of taken place in a factory, the story would still have been the same. Time War 2 is not a great box set, it's far to slow for its own good.
@@rhodrage maybe thinking about it, in the second war doctor boxset, it is said that there are Dalek plants (kind of like the Prana plants from mario), so maybe this is the planet where they come from.
Well, when they're not exterminating every inferior life-form, they do enjoy some gardening. I mean, what else are they 'gonna do when they win? Work on their gardens of course.
The Time War as presented in the show: Oh yeah there was this really big war that happened but we're just going to tease you with the details but boy does it sound like an interesting event in Doctor Who lore. Oh wait turns out Gallifrey didn't go Kaboom this totally doesn't neuter most of the heavy emotional weight generated by the RTD era. Oh yeah one more thing we're kind of just not going to bring up the Time War now or explore it any meaninful context post 50th because you know it's not like it's a big deal. The Time War as presented by Big Finish: Not only did we foreshadow this bad boy across most of Mcgann's era but we've devoted entire fully fleshed out story arcs that span countless audios just to explain to you how utterly terrifying this war actually will be. Oh and when it happens we're not sparing the details, Classic characters making comebacks, beloved characters dying or worse oh and did we mention we also have stories featuring a Master and Doctor played by Jacobi and Hurt respectively? I'm a simple man, when I think Time War I think Big Finish.
When I complain about series 11 or 12, people often ask me what I would do, if I was showrunner. My first order of business would be putting Ian Chesterson in a freaking story, for crying out loud. (William Russell is 95!) My second order of business would probably be giving Peter Purvus his Savages sequel finally. And my third order of business, is figuring out how to fully cement both Big Finish, and Titan Comics, into the TV show, so no one can deny that they're Cannon. Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having uploaded my review of: 'Invasion Of The Dinosaurs (1974)!' No pressure, of-course; It just might be worth checking out! :)
You mention how Doctor Who will be off worse with the Time War now being resolved, but who knows. Maybe there might a surprise that brings Thirteen back into the Time War. I certainly believe she was present when all the Doctors showed up to save Gallifrey. I believe ALL of them were there, even versions that we are yet to meet.
@@SamyulDavis he looks a little like John Hurt especially as he's getting older. Disney had been wanting to co-produce a Doctor Who with the BBC ever since the David Tennant era but Disney wanted a big British name to play the Doctor since David Tennant wasn't well known in the states at the time. Same goes with Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi. So the only solution is a film set in the Time War with Gary Oldman as the War Doctor
Only the monstrous is one of my favourite Doctor who stories of all time, it just has so much get up and go, it really feels like we are finally looking at the time war through the Doctors eyes. I see this story like trial of a timelord (which I also love), in where there are little stories in one box set, but are all still the same story, unlike the big finish box set which are just 4 stories that may have something tying them together. You need to watch mind warp to understand terror of the vervoids and same can be said here.
You should invest some time into watching John Hurt's two portrayals of Quentin Crisp in The Naked Civil Servant and An Englishman in New York, one from the 70s the sequel was 2009. It is dazzling.
I hope it’s not too much to say that your dr who videos are the only ones I respect/listen/agree with to the absolute. You’re a good guy and I’m glad to see you putting out great work like this
So I got Only the Good for my birthday and I was just a bit happy. Those stories were fantastically written and the sky man was probably taken a different way by me than others (new cybermen?)
The Gallifreyans were so desperate to win the war that they used the forbidden arsenal and unleashed untold horrors, but they refused help from the Sontarans who could've won the war for them? SMH
DAVIS, remember, the sontarans have thousands of cloning planets across the universe where they could beam clones from in a minutes notice, and they clone about 240 every second, so it's a pretty safe bet that they could put together a formidable force to fight the Daleks with
@@johannschmidt3389 I'm pretty comfy with the RTD/Staal confirmation that they weren't able to compete because it was so beyond their comprehension and level. It doesn't make them lamer, just makes the world bigger.
So just thought I’d mention right now (9 March 2020) beneath the Viscoid is Free to download on the big finish website so I suggest if you haven’t listened to it go do so it’s free what’s the harm
10 minutes in and... yea, I think it's good I haven't listened to those XD From a War Doctor Story, I'd expect to see him racking up a body count, slowly seeing him become more guilt ridden, being praised by the Time Lords as he gets angrier and angrier, but that anger ends up being aimed at himself - so we see the origin of that rage the Ninth Doctor. With the final story being him betraying them - maybe even with his refusal to continue being what causes Arcadia to fall. The doctor being called a coward and not being that different after all kind of... takes away from the 50th Anniversary special.
oh noooo I love the Sontaran Ordeal :'( What's the beef with a disconnected small-scale war story that juggles around the usual Who hero/villain power dynamic
They should just do an animated series called an "No Apples Today". Every episode/few episodes is just a random story from the different doctors. They could even try introducing Doctors farther down the line like Ruth. MAybe we get Doctor 27 going on an adventure.
Time War's audio dramas shows how war is not that black and white. It's ugly on all side. And man, Time Lords are such an arsehole. My only pet peeves, well sort of, is somehow the Daleks sound more adorable in this.
BadwolfGamer I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again; the BBC is missing out on not making Doctor Who movies. Just cause the 90s one didn’t sit well, doesn’t mean that it won’t nowadays. Hell, I’d argue that a Doctor Who movie would feel right at home during this age of cinema, and with the right budget, actors, writers, and more, I’m betting that it would be fantastic. The only negative is that John Hurt is no longer with us, so we probably won’t ever get our Time War epic on the big screen.
Colin Forever I would assume the money from merchandising alone should be enough for it. Probably not, I could be wrong. I’m just saying that one day, even if we’re all in our 80s, we’ll have the pleasure of hearing that familiar theme in a theater and going nuts over it
The Time War is far above anything in Star Wars. Its a Lovecraftian nightmare with time and space being mangled and ripped apart and reassembled into terrible, abominable things, tearing the universe asunder as the time lords and daleks injured reality even more with their doomsday weapons, weapons that could unmake the entire GFFA in a second. A Time War movie would ideally look nothing like star wars, and be impossible to visualise.
@@professordimension7176 we can still have Paul McGann as 8th for a while, he didnt immediately get involved he held off for years (?centuries) before breaking, so what broke him? That could be a series ALL by itself and again McGann is still young enough, finding some one to replace John Hurt though, now THAT would be a challenge
Wanna see a billion, billion Daleks crap themselves? Just watch the Day of the Doctor. Only the Doctor can halt the conquering of Gallifrey simply by showing up and shooting No More into a wall
All of the Eighth Doctor Adventures about the War in Heaven, AKA what the Time War was cribbed from, are far superior to everything produced about the Time War as are the Faction Paradox audios
First Acts of the Time War: Genesis of the Daleks - The Time Lords send the Doctor, Sarah Jane and Harry to prevent the Daleks' creation Rememberance of the Daleks - The Doctor uses the Hand of Omega to destroy Skaro (supposedly) The End of the Time War: The Last Day - A single Dalek gets through to Gallifrey and a whole army follows The End of Time - Rassilon tries to bring Gallifrey back to the universe from the end of the Time War The Day of the Doctor - 13 Doctors save Gallifrey *Note, this is all based on tv*
I think it was a mistake to have the doctor save Gallifrey in day of the doctor during the last day of the time war. Maybe I'm wrong but since when has new who respected death n it's permanents all the guilt n emotion is pointless now knowing he save Gallifrey I just feel like time war has become less cause the doctor's save Gallifrey I just hate it who agrees or disagree I guess lol
I've really enjoyed these and the Broke Canon series. Since this is the Time War as opposed to the War Doctor specifically, is it possible that it might be due for an update? Since we've gotten a lot more Time War from Big Finish (four Gallifrey sets that are really good, currently six War Master sets with at least two on the way, four Eighth Doctor sets, Susan's War which was really good, and two War Doctor begins sets), plus "The Clockwise War" from DWM, I'm cutious if there's enough to warrent re-examining the war. Even if not, this was still a great series. Looking forward the Jodie's when her era ends in the fall. Keep up the great videos.
Best 5.the war doctor only the monstrous 4.day of the doctor 3.the war doctor agents of chaos 2.engines of war 1.the war master only the good Worst 5.all hands on deck 4.a thing of guile 3.day of the vaskta nerada 2.in the garden of death 1.the conscript
I'm kinda baffled as to how beneath the viscoid got on here when it's on the same box set as the sky man and the heavenly paradigm. Don't get me wrong, it's good, but compared to those two? I'm very curious as to why you thought those stories were worse
No, I just genuinely don't rate The Sky Men like everybody else, and they're rather the two highpoints of that set. If I were doing it now I'd consider Master of Callous, but its so far removed from the war that it'd be hard to justify.
I have been considering switching from the show to big finish for a while now. Only concern is that I’m joining 600 episodes in! It just feels better and more like the show I remember. Technology hasn’t blitzed my brain enough that I can’t imagine the images. Would be nice to have a definitive list as the big finish site is so confusing. Brit box....make it happen and I will sign up to you guys.
I've just started myself, but think about this ALL the doctors,except 9th and 12th are in big finish now, from 4th onwards its the actual actors, just find your favourite doctor and start with them. And John Hurt, did do 4 stories before he passed away and 2 audios
I don’t think of 2 and 3 only the monstrous are at all interesting Also I thought the nightmare child in the third wise man was just there for fan service And wasn’t written as any sort of interesting or unique concept at all
Wait... if you said here that you think the show is worse off without the time war then why are you so pissed that Gallifrey has been destroyed again in series 12?
Just because it's worse off without, doesn't mean that it didn't have to get wrapped up. It was time to move on, and something identical has taken it's place and showed the audience how superficial arcs are in general.
@@SamyulDavis thank you sir, shot right up to my favourite bit of doctor who music alongside whatever it was the played when they burned the boat in series 6 episode 1.
I think a Thing of Guile isn't THAT bad. It give's context to Evolution of the Daleks, with their attempt to regress back to their more humanoid form. I'm in the minority on this but I actually Liked Daleks in Manhatten and Evolution.
Same! But Daleks in Manhattan doesn't feel half-baked. It doesn't really feel like a companion piece to that TV story either, moreso just a very similar plot unfortunately running parallel
@@SamyulDavis i will say the Neverwhen had probably my favorite plot twist in the entire box set with the War Doctor on the battlefield as he realized just WHERE he was. My jaw fell open as the voices began changing
@@SamyulDavis crossing my fingers for the upcoming Big finish projects. Lovecraft Invasion looks amazing ( 6 and HP lovecraft mythos? YES!) and hopefully a boxset of 10 and Martha
I think that it's the greatest Who book. You can read them in whatever order you like, but I recommend the third wise man, ghost in the machine and the CIA detective story more than anything. They're amazing.
@4:52 "The reason I'm writin'...is how to say "Chrichton" (Kry Ton). And not being a jerk, love your stuff immensely, but I too often mispronounced words I'd only read, so...you're welcome! :-)
Haha; The narrator doesnt even get the true enemy of the timewar correct. The Daleks was NOT the "true" enemy of the timelords in the Timewar. The Ragnarookians was. as...They where the former rulers over time and that after Rassilon and his "teacher" trapped them in an Schrödinger like state of both being alive and ascended beings at the same time. The Ragnarookians manipulated mankinds history so the Daleks came to be in the future and then pushed and gave them the timetravel tech. We know this above thru Rassilons ascention device and how the Doctor transportewd away Gallifrey at the same moment. = Thus trapping the rulers of time in an Schrödinger state of both being alive and ascended.... = in this new Universetimeline that was spawned into existance in episodes "Doomsday & Big Bang" (very well hidden in Doomsday") the Weeping Angels ARE the former rulers of time (the Timelords) = the same as the Ragnarookians was in the classic series Universetimeline (seen 1963-2006: 2010. 2013: 2014.
My dude as a leftie (a bloody anarchist at that so yeah not all far left is beaucratic) itd be nice if I could just watch something geeky without having to hear what someone thinks about politics... Especially if you arent even going to give it deep analysis. What's more im sure people on the right feel the same way. Please just keep to the escapism
No, I conducted research in a lab to find the objective best and worst pieces of subjective art The majority seem to be able to process the concept of a review just fine. It's assumed.
I've never thought I'd meet someone who agrees with me that the show is kind of worse off without the Time War. It was nice to have this huge, eldritch event, that feels like it's been brewing slowly, until it just exploded into the most spectacular, horrible extinction event, and now, we are left with a new timeline, a young timeline, where the creatures from classic Who are relegated to legends, and a broken hero, who is doomed to wander the universe, alone, the last of the time lords.
I think that makes for a much more interesting background/world building for Doctor Who than just "Oh, there's a silly man, he has a box, he sometimes goes back to this planet of funny mathematicians with weird hats"
"Things die, it's just what they do. Every minute of every day, on every world, every galaxy, something dies. Crying over it is spitting into the wind. Death is natural, yes. But there comes a time in the history of all civilisations, worlds great and small when something, some event, some disease, some war. Tips the balance of things, when even nature must look at the numbers and nervously catch its breath and on those occasions. Well, it's time to make plans.... a time for change" - The War Master: Only The Good - The Heavenly Paradigm.
At this point I think it's safe to say you might be the best Doctor Who discussing UA-camr on this platform, right up there with stubagful. Every vid is brilliantly done 👏
For me the holy trinity of doctor who youtubers is Stubagful, Council Of Geeks and Samuel Davis
Cleverdick Films is brilliant
Fejrus887 council of Geeks 🤨 Harry’s moving castle 🏰 instead
@@nicolemajlat2768 i agree im not big on council of geeks theyre kinda lame
@@Fejrus887 mr Tardis?
My “issues” is just that the time war has been hyped up for a decade, it would never live up for the hype and a lot of people are kinda sick of daleks cannot describe my disappointment when the “nightmare child” was a dalek. The Neverweres should really go unexplained but if they have to show up *DONT MAKE THEM DALEKS* . And I do love some of it (the master stuff is great) I’d have loved to see some of the war doctor actually being “war like” going against his nature and killing daleks and whatever happened on skull moon, not him saving people (the war doctor wouldn’t save Davros, 8 might war wouldn’t)
And the Time Wars has no good Companions and funny Who Liners. So its more a world you can not show...
When has the doctor ever really been against killing daleks?
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Well never, but I image that War would be killing more than just Daleks. Even if we didn’t get to see him go full psycho
I thought the Nightmare Child was a giant war ship or ancient space being like Unicron from Transformers. I was disappointed it was just a Dalek variant.
Although I understand your disappointment that the Nightmare Child is a Dalek, it's pretty harsh to simply refer to it as "a Dalek" like it's just another random Dalek design. Far from that in fact, it's an eldritch abomination of a Dalek, possibly the most destructive Dalek in existence. A colossal, raging tsunami that devours everything, including thousands of fellow Daleks at a time. The Nightmare Child was Davros' attempt at creating "the perfect Dalek", and, in a twisted, morbid sense, succeeded.
I loved Engines of War. It introduced a scary Dalek. Able to erase someone from history. And Cinder. The companion that could have been.
I'm getting through the engines of war audiobook and holy heck is it great
Orien Day It’s a little too small scale in my opinion. Glad someone likes that book though
"Why do the Daleks have a gardening planet?"
Now I'm curious.
There is no exception, why the Dalek have this planet, the story could of taken place in a factory, the story would still have been the same.
Time War 2 is not a great box set, it's far to slow for its own good.
Everyone needs a hobby
@@rhodrage maybe thinking about it, in the second war doctor boxset, it is said that there are Dalek plants (kind of like the Prana plants from mario), so maybe this is the planet where they come from.
Well, when they're not exterminating every inferior life-form, they do enjoy some gardening. I mean, what else are they 'gonna do when they win? Work on their gardens of course.
Elijah Ford I’m surprised the Daleks tolerate plant life.
The Time War as presented in the show: Oh yeah there was this really big war that happened but we're just going to tease you with the details but boy does it sound like an interesting event in Doctor Who lore. Oh wait turns out Gallifrey didn't go Kaboom this totally doesn't neuter most of the heavy emotional weight generated by the RTD era. Oh yeah one more thing we're kind of just not going to bring up the Time War now or explore it any meaninful context post 50th because you know it's not like it's a big deal.
The Time War as presented by Big Finish: Not only did we foreshadow this bad boy across most of Mcgann's era but we've devoted entire fully fleshed out story arcs that span countless audios just to explain to you how utterly terrifying this war actually will be. Oh and when it happens we're not sparing the details, Classic characters making comebacks, beloved characters dying or worse oh and did we mention we also have stories featuring a Master and Doctor played by Jacobi and Hurt respectively?
I'm a simple man, when I think Time War I think Big Finish.
When I complain about series 11 or 12, people often ask me what I would do, if I was showrunner.
My first order of business would be putting Ian Chesterson in a freaking story, for crying out loud. (William Russell is 95!)
My second order of business would probably be giving Peter Purvus his Savages sequel finally.
And my third order of business, is figuring out how to fully cement both Big Finish, and Titan Comics, into the TV show, so no one can deny that they're Cannon.
Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having uploaded my review of: 'Invasion Of The Dinosaurs (1974)!' No pressure, of-course; It just might be worth checking out! :)
(Also, 20th Like! :)
Uncle Claudius and Caligula reunited
You mention how Doctor Who will be off worse with the Time War now being resolved, but who knows. Maybe there might a surprise that brings Thirteen back into the Time War. I certainly believe she was present when all the Doctors showed up to save Gallifrey. I believe ALL of them were there, even versions that we are yet to meet.
Chris Chibnall would never do it.
Big Finish would. :)
Gary Oldman could play the War Doctor in a film. We will finally see the Doctor fighting in the Time War
Nice cast!
@@SamyulDavis he looks a little like John Hurt especially as he's getting older. Disney had been wanting to co-produce a Doctor Who with the BBC ever since the David Tennant era but Disney wanted a big British name to play the Doctor since David Tennant wasn't well known in the states at the time. Same goes with Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi. So the only solution is a film set in the Time War with Gary Oldman as the War Doctor
I never even considered that oh hell yes! I havent seen him do a bad movie yet, and Paul McGann is still young enough to play 8th!
Love that last line. Sums up the whole Time War business perfectly.
The Sky Man from the War Master is my favourite time war story ever.
God, I love doctor who.
What are talking about? this is a star trek UA-cam channel 😂 LOL.
God i love you
Only the monstrous is one of my favourite Doctor who stories of all time, it just has so much get up and go, it really feels like we are finally looking at the time war through the Doctors eyes.
I see this story like trial of a timelord (which I also love), in where there are little stories in one box set, but are all still the same story, unlike the big finish box set which are just 4 stories that may have something tying them together. You need to watch mind warp to understand terror of the vervoids and same can be said here.
I was praying that the third wise man would be in this because Twelve Angels Weeping is my favourite dr who book ever
I'm yet to read the rest! Bought it for the short story and the research.
...I miss education.
Pufferoono 8 months later and I can confirm that it’s the best Who book by miles. Dave should be showrunner.
You should buy the War Doctor boxset just for the theme tune
I got engines of war for free. I think i chose the right story to start with.
It's a cracking read.
I cried till the end
Until I watched this I genuinely didn't notice John Hurt had died :(
Amazing actor, one of my favourite doctors
You should invest some time into watching John Hurt's two portrayals of Quentin Crisp in The Naked Civil Servant and An Englishman in New York, one from the 70s the sequel was 2009. It is dazzling.
14:39 is that... Mass Effect music?
I love the music you play when you talk about Beneath the Viscoid.
The series 3 soundtrack got blasted hard on my iPod nano back in the day. I wonder if they used that track in the show.
The never when was one of the best doctor who stories ever
I hope it’s not too much to say that your dr who videos are the only ones I respect/listen/agree with to the absolute. You’re a good guy and I’m glad to see you putting out great work like this
So I got Only the Good for my birthday and I was just a bit happy. Those stories were fantastically written and the sky man was probably taken a different way by me than others (new cybermen?)
it takes a HUGE part of my brain shutting down to see any threat what so ever in the Dalek :D
The Gallifreyans were so desperate to win the war that they used the forbidden arsenal and unleashed untold horrors, but they refused help from the Sontarans who could've won the war for them? SMH
The Sontarans could've won the war for them? Is that on the later Hurt boxsets?
DAVIS, remember, the sontarans have thousands of cloning planets across the universe where they could beam clones from in a minutes notice, and they clone about 240 every second, so it's a pretty safe bet that they could put together a formidable force to fight the Daleks with
@@johannschmidt3389 I'm pretty comfy with the RTD/Staal confirmation that they weren't able to compete because it was so beyond their comprehension and level. It doesn't make them lamer, just makes the world bigger.
So just thought I’d mention right now (9 March 2020) beneath the Viscoid is Free to download on the big finish website so I suggest if you haven’t listened to it go do so it’s free what’s the harm
A tourr de force recap of the Time War canon- some great entries there
10 minutes in and... yea, I think it's good I haven't listened to those XD From a War Doctor Story, I'd expect to see him racking up a body count, slowly seeing him become more guilt ridden, being praised by the Time Lords as he gets angrier and angrier, but that anger ends up being aimed at himself - so we see the origin of that rage the Ninth Doctor. With the final story being him betraying them - maybe even with his refusal to continue being what causes Arcadia to fall.
The doctor being called a coward and not being that different after all kind of... takes away from the 50th Anniversary special.
Only if you didn't pay attention in the fiftieth anniversary
The whole point of that special was that he was still the doctor even on his darkest days
Listened to the neverwhen for the first time last night holy shit an amazing concept story
The fact that sky man isn't on here is ridiculous
From Blake's 7 to the Time War itself. Jaqueline Pierce is eternal.
Great list, the echoes of war is up there as one of the best but I will say I rly liked in the garden of death’
7:36 DAMMIT MCGANN, AGAIN?!?!?!?
Switch the Vashta Nerada story around with the Sontaran Ordeal and I'll agree with you 100%.
oh noooo I love the Sontaran Ordeal :'(
What's the beef with a disconnected small-scale war story that juggles around the usual Who hero/villain power dynamic
I love the time war stuff, would be great if the did an animated run of them like they did for those lost episodes.
They should just do an animated series called an "No Apples Today". Every episode/few episodes is just a random story from the different doctors. They could even try introducing Doctors farther down the line like Ruth. MAybe we get Doctor 27 going on an adventure.
If you can track down a copy, the Seasons of War charity anthology is also pretty good
There's also a fan film for it with more war doctor during his early days
I prefer the other War against the Enemy. RTD constantly stole from the pre 2005 spin offs.
Are you talking about the Fraction Paradox.
Thank god, someone else who sees the greatness of those stories
Oh the war in heaven! Yeah that was literally the time war but the daleks weren't the main threat
You should have included or at least have talked about the Gallifrey Time War series in this video, I'd like to hear your opinion on it.
I always thought they should do a spinoff show based around the Doctor's adventures in the time war.
Time War's audio dramas shows how war is not that black and white. It's ugly on all side. And man, Time Lords are such an arsehole. My only pet peeves, well sort of, is somehow the Daleks sound more adorable in this.
So colin fay (condo from brain of morbius) was my grandad's uncle
Rahm Odin cool
The Time War was probably the best idea Russel T Davies came up with.
You might say it's the... BEST TARDIS TEAM.
Fuck Steven Moffat for undoing it.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Nah, it had it's time. Fuck Chibnall for undermining it.
DAVIS fuck both of them for misunderstanding it actually
We need The Time War movies it would rival Star Wars it may even be better then Star Wars.
Especially now that Star Wars is weakened.
BadwolfGamer I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again; the BBC is missing out on not making Doctor Who movies. Just cause the 90s one didn’t sit well, doesn’t mean that it won’t nowadays. Hell, I’d argue that a Doctor Who movie would feel right at home during this age of cinema, and with the right budget, actors, writers, and more, I’m betting that it would be fantastic. The only negative is that John Hurt is no longer with us, so we probably won’t ever get our Time War epic on the big screen.
Colin Forever I would assume the money from merchandising alone should be enough for it. Probably not, I could be wrong. I’m just saying that one day, even if we’re all in our 80s, we’ll have the pleasure of hearing that familiar theme in a theater and going nuts over it
The Time War is far above anything in Star Wars. Its a Lovecraftian nightmare with time and space being mangled and ripped apart and reassembled into terrible, abominable things, tearing the universe asunder as the time lords and daleks injured reality even more with their doomsday weapons, weapons that could unmake the entire GFFA in a second. A Time War movie would ideally look nothing like star wars, and be impossible to visualise.
@@professordimension7176 we can still have Paul McGann as 8th for a while, he didnt immediately get involved he held off for years (?centuries) before breaking, so what broke him? That could be a series ALL by itself and again McGann is still young enough, finding some one to replace John Hurt though, now THAT would be a challenge
Maybe with the conscript they were trying to see if we'd want an entire arc like that for future box-sets?
i actually loved the conscript, i dont get the time war 1 hate
I dunno why, but Only the Monstrous... didn't really impress me, I feel like I heard a different story than what you described.
At this point, if there are any timeline issues you can just call it the Time War.
Would love to see how the new "young war doctor" range fits into this.
Wanna see a billion, billion Daleks crap themselves? Just watch the Day of the Doctor. Only the Doctor can halt the conquering of Gallifrey simply by showing up and shooting No More into a wall
wait what who was the doctor incarnation that was shown as a gag
richard e grant? there was an online animated series back before the reboot called Scream of the Shalka. Still meaning to get round to it.
Samuel Davis woah I’ve never heard anything about this. Sounds like something interesting to hear you talk about in a future vid 👍
All of the Eighth Doctor Adventures about the War in Heaven, AKA what the Time War was cribbed from, are far superior to everything produced about the Time War as are the Faction Paradox audios
Really you went with beneath the viscoid over the skyman?
Remember when everyone said the time war was canon destroying and a terrible idea. Yeah me neither time war is the best canon addition ever
Aye, Whatcha got against the Shalka Doctor?
He's got 2 stories at most, bro! :)
First Acts of the Time War:
Genesis of the Daleks - The Time Lords send the Doctor, Sarah Jane and Harry to prevent the Daleks' creation
Rememberance of the Daleks - The Doctor uses the Hand of Omega to destroy Skaro (supposedly)
The End of the Time War:
The Last Day - A single Dalek gets through to Gallifrey and a whole army follows
The End of Time - Rassilon tries to bring Gallifrey back to the universe from the end of the Time War
The Day of the Doctor - 13 Doctors save Gallifrey
*Note, this is all based on tv*
The war master is some of the best doctor who ever.
I think it was a mistake to have the doctor save Gallifrey in day of the doctor during the last day of the time war. Maybe I'm wrong but since when has new who respected death n it's permanents all the guilt n emotion is pointless now knowing he save Gallifrey I just feel like time war has become less cause the doctor's save Gallifrey I just hate it who agrees or disagree I guess lol
Will you be remaking this video or including retrospectives centered around Carley's Doctor? The time war stories released after this video.
John hurt was my childhood. He was the storyteller
If you want a canon Time War, watch Batmanmarch's Doctor Who Action Figure Adventures
If you want "canon" Watch star trek not doctor who as I hear that they care more about it than any doctor who writer has ever done
I've really enjoyed these and the Broke Canon series. Since this is the Time War as opposed to the War Doctor specifically, is it possible that it might be due for an update? Since we've gotten a lot more Time War from Big Finish (four Gallifrey sets that are really good, currently six War Master sets with at least two on the way, four Eighth Doctor sets, Susan's War which was really good, and two War Doctor begins sets), plus "The Clockwise War" from DWM, I'm cutious if there's enough to warrent re-examining the war. Even if not, this was still a great series. Looking forward the Jodie's when her era ends in the fall. Keep up the great videos.
That's not a bad idea at all!
Engines Of War Is The Best it was absolutely amazing!!
Best
5.the war doctor only the monstrous
4.day of the doctor
3.the war doctor agents of chaos
2.engines of war
1.the war master only the good
Worst
5.all hands on deck
4.a thing of guile
3.day of the vaskta nerada
2.in the garden of death
1.the conscript
I would love a new story where the current doctor meets a young war doctor
I'm kinda baffled as to how beneath the viscoid got on here when it's on the same box set as the sky man and the heavenly paradigm. Don't get me wrong, it's good, but compared to those two? I'm very curious as to why you thought those stories were worse
Maybe because Beneath the viscoid was free and so he hasn’t listened to the entire boxset
@@EditedAF987 ...I dont know why I didn't think of that
No, I just genuinely don't rate The Sky Men like everybody else, and they're rather the two highpoints of that set.
If I were doing it now I'd consider Master of Callous, but its so far removed from the war that it'd be hard to justify.
I have been considering switching from the show to big finish for a while now. Only concern is that I’m joining 600 episodes in! It just feels better and more like the show I remember. Technology hasn’t blitzed my brain enough that I can’t imagine the images. Would be nice to have a definitive list as the big finish site is so confusing. Brit box....make it happen and I will sign up to you guys.
I've just started myself, but think about this ALL the doctors,except 9th and 12th are in big finish now, from 4th onwards its the actual actors, just find your favourite doctor and start with them. And John Hurt, did do 4 stories before he passed away and 2 audios
julie everett I noticed Spotify have a lot that are free to play. It can be confusing as it jumps around a lot. Some amazing stories there!
Mess effect music? Nice.
I don’t think of 2 and 3 only the monstrous are at all interesting
Also I thought the nightmare child in the third wise man was just there for fan service
And wasn’t written as any sort of interesting or unique concept at all
You're probably not wrong, but it was a snapshot story. Plus, that level of high-concept prose is downright impressive.
Wait... if you said here that you think the show is worse off without the time war then why are you so pissed that Gallifrey has been destroyed again in series 12?
Just because it's worse off without, doesn't mean that it didn't have to get wrapped up. It was time to move on, and something identical has taken it's place and showed the audience how superficial arcs are in general.
DAVIS that’s fair enough. I was just wondering.
They need to make a movie about the the great time war
what are those drill ships in the background ? they look amazing !
2:54 The first three on the left, next to the first. WHO are they?
That's Rowan Atkinson from the Curse of fatal death, Richard E Grant from Scream of the Shalka and Peter Cushing's Dr. Who from the Dalek movies :)
What's the name of the track playing at 11:54??
I know it was a mistake, but it ain't the Eleven, it's Twelve.
What's the theme at 7:35 from? I can't picture it and it's driving me mental
It’s the 8th Doctor’s big Finish theme by David Arnold
What’s the name of the music at the start?
This opening music is superb, who wrote it? Where can I get it? I hope you can help.
That's the big finish war Master theme
Brilliant - and thank you, my expectations you'd reply were low, should have known better (apologies). You're a gent and the music is terrific.
i dont see a difference between the war doctor and the rest of the doctors. he wasnt a time lord rambo. he was as anti war as 12
I the War Doctor should have been the mysterious Other
I just like Romana (II) too much for my own good 💀💀
Vasta narada is mcgann?
What's the music at 15:30 actually called?
The war master theme
@@SamyulDavis thank you sir, shot right up to my favourite bit of doctor who music alongside whatever it was the played when they burned the boat in series 6 episode 1.
I think a Thing of Guile isn't THAT bad. It give's context to Evolution of the Daleks, with their attempt to regress back to their more humanoid form. I'm in the minority on this but I actually Liked Daleks in Manhatten and Evolution.
Same! But Daleks in Manhattan doesn't feel half-baked. It doesn't really feel like a companion piece to that TV story either, moreso just a very similar plot unfortunately running parallel
@@SamyulDavis i will say the Neverwhen had probably my favorite plot twist in the entire box set with the War Doctor on the battlefield as he realized just WHERE he was. My jaw fell open as the voices began changing
Yep, it's the only detail I really remember from that whole box and it's one of the best earned twists Who has ever done. Must relisten.
@@SamyulDavis crossing my fingers for the upcoming Big finish projects. Lovecraft Invasion looks amazing ( 6 and HP lovecraft mythos? YES!) and hopefully a boxset of 10 and Martha
holy shit I own twelve angels weeping. never bothered reading it tho. do you think I should skip to third wise man?
I think that it's the greatest Who book. You can read them in whatever order you like, but I recommend the third wise man, ghost in the machine and the CIA detective story more than anything. They're amazing.
Engines of war is so good
@4:52 "The reason I'm writin'...is how to say "Chrichton" (Kry Ton). And not being a jerk, love your stuff immensely, but I too often mispronounced words I'd only read, so...you're welcome! :-)
Haha; The narrator doesnt even get the true enemy of the timewar correct.
The Daleks was NOT the "true" enemy of the timelords in the Timewar.
The Ragnarookians was.
as...They where the former rulers over time and that after Rassilon and his "teacher" trapped them in an Schrödinger like state of both being alive and ascended beings at the same time.
The Ragnarookians manipulated mankinds history so the Daleks came to be in the future and then pushed and gave them the timetravel tech.
We know this above thru Rassilons ascention device and how the Doctor transportewd away Gallifrey at the same moment.
= Thus trapping the rulers of time in an Schrödinger state of both being alive and ascended....
= in this new Universetimeline that was spawned into existance in episodes "Doomsday & Big Bang" (very well hidden in Doomsday") the Weeping Angels ARE the former rulers of time (the Timelords)
= the same as the Ragnarookians was in the classic series Universetimeline (seen 1963-2006: 2010. 2013: 2014.
I hate to be a pedant but it’s not Critch ton, it’s pronounced Cry ton
Netflix give Paul McGann a series as the doctor please it will make me watch it lol sorry but I refuse to watch doctor who since series 10 ended.
The dialogue seems to draggggggggggg on and on 😫🤮😫🤮 !?!?!?
2:54 not true. Matt Smith and Richard English Grant are both bad actors and bad Doctors.
My dude as a leftie (a bloody anarchist at that so yeah not all far left is beaucratic) itd be nice if I could just watch something geeky without having to hear what someone thinks about politics... Especially if you arent even going to give it deep analysis. What's more im sure people on the right feel the same way. Please just keep to the escapism
just going to say this, title is beyond misleading. It's basically 20 minutes of the OPs opinion, nothing else. Skip.
Garrett Hawkins
That’s what this entire video series is
Taking about the “Best and Worst”
Of the time war or any of the doctors hardly clickbait
No, I conducted research in a lab to find the objective best and worst pieces of subjective art
The majority seem to be able to process the concept of a review just fine. It's assumed.
I hate Doctor Who.
Fat Boy then why are you here?
@@AIRWOLF-l6g I genuinely don't remember putting that