Would've liked to see more on comparing weaker signals and filtering between the two which was done briefly, but not enough to come to a conclusion. To me there wasn't a tremendous difference between the two radios. I see now why they call the IC7300 an entry radio. It's great for the typical rag chewer, but leaves a slight less desirable need for DX and contest chasers. Still a super radio for both at an entry level.
Entre el manoseo de un equipo y otro, la cabeza de uno de los aperadores por medio tapando la imagen y los dedos que tocan aqui y alla sin saber que estan haciendo yo no me he enterado de nada, no se si otros colegas que pudieran ver este video sacaron algo en claro de lo que se queria mostrar, posiblemente el video esta echo con la mejor voluntad pero francamente yo no he sacado nada en claro, es una apreciacion personal, Saludos...
Among the handling of a computer and another, the head of one of the aperadores by covering the image and fingers touching here and there without knowing they are doing I have not heard anything, not if other colleagues who could see this video took something clear what is wanted to show, possibly the video is cast with the best intentions but frankly I have not taken anything clear, it is a personal appreciation, Greetings ... A ver si lo entiendes ahora
Me llama mucho la atención el ic 7600 , lo que no tengo claro es si su pantalla es Tach cómo la del 7300 agradecería una respuesta saludos de chile ce4sar 👌
The Icom IC-7300 has a more responsive spectrum scope.Look at how fluid the scope is compared to the choppy response of the Icom IC-7600.The Icom IC-7300 is half the price of the Icom IC-7600.Has better direct sampling technology.Proven to receive clearer, and transmit great.The Icom IC-7300 is your best choice!
LOL the IC-7300 while a great entry level rig isn't even in the same league as the 7600. There is more to a rig than a spectrum scope and to be honest a spectrum scope is more of a gimmick than anything else. It might be useful for new hams but an experienced ham can locate signals much faster using the VFO. Also, outside a lab these A/B tests are pretty much worthless as all they do is demonstrate the Users lack of skill and inability to read a manual. The 7600 has far better tools for fighting QRM and digging out weak signals which is one of the draw backs of reviews by Sherwood engineering. When Sherwood engineering test a receiver they test the base receiver and never employ any of the rigs tools for improving performance.which makes these test very deceptive and biased. For example the IC-7000 which has a 73db dynamic range as compared to the Flex radios 103 db dynamic range, The one thing they don't tell you is the IC-7000 has two 60db IF notch filters with adjustable width and depth which can take out a 50 over S9 signal at the touch of a button effectively giving the IC-7000 a 133db worth of dynamic range. As for audio quality once again this simply exposes the user's lack of skill. Heck I managed to earn DXCC on 8 bands using nothing more than an old IC-735 proving it's not the radio but rather the skill level of the operator. The bottom line is the IC-7300 is a very nice entry level casual use radio but tested under the demanding fast paced environment of chasing DX and radio sport it fails miserably because almost all its tools are buried as much as 3 menus deep making the user interface grueling slow and cumbersome to use in a fast paced radio sport environment . And this thing about digging weak signals out of the noise is BS because when is the last time you heard a legal limit DX station with stacked beams work an S2 station, so even though you may be able to hear him he will never answer you with your 7300 and a dipole because he's too busy answering all the 20 over S9 signals burying your puny s2 signal. With that said I would rather spend $400 on a used HF radio and spend the remaining $1000 in an antenna system rather than buy a 7300 or a 7600 and connect it up to a G5RV or worse. I simply can't believe the number of hams who go out and buy top notch radio like the 7300 and 7600 and connected them up to dipoles and G5RV's, what a frigging waste. It's like connecting a $3000 home stereo system up to a pair of $10 computer speakers.
Springtime Happiness I'm not sure what kind of crack you're smoking but that's not even close to being true. First of all the Spectrum scope is nothing more than a novelty, it might be somewhat useful for shortwave listeners looking for stations but as a serious tool for dxing or contesting it's worthless. It's actually more of a distraction. As for the performance specs of the 7300 again I don't know what type of crack you're smoking but your claims aren't based in reality. The receiver performance of the 7300 is about on par with the Icom 706 series and suffers from serious overload issues. Once again making it useless as a contest radio or for youth during heavily congested band conditions. As for its transmitter once again its performance is about on par with the 706 and 7000 series with third order IMD product being down barely 27 DBC. Don't fret the elecraft series doesn't fare much better with its transmitter specifications. With that said the 7300 is a great entry-level radio but to claim that it is superior to the high-end contest rigs just demonstrates Fanboyism I not only hold an extra class ham radio license when they actually meant something you know before they dumb down the test. I also hold a commercial radio license and service Aviation and marine radios as well as Ham radios. I have a full electronic shop stocked with Agilent Spectrum analyzers signal Generator Service monitors Distortion meter....... This means I have the ability to perform the exact same test as Sherwood engineering and the ARRL and I do so on every rig I get my hands on. I put the 7300 through in paces and did a complete transmit and receive evaluation on several samples of that radio. Once again while it is a great entry-level radio its performance is more on par with the older 7000, 706, series of radios. Particularly concerning is it susceptibility to front end overload. Unfortunately hams today are nothing more than glorified CBers the vast majority of newly-minted extra class hymns wouldn't know how to read a Smith chart let alone and know what it dBc means without looking it up. As for my credentials other than holding an extra class Ham radios ticket issues over 40 years ago, I also hold a FCC commercial license. I'm a member of the ARRL dxcc honor roll. I'm also a member of the CQ magazines wpx honor roll and my name is published monthly in the magazine. I frequently contribute technical article to CQ magazine as well as several other ham radio related Publications. I've been a guest speaker at Pacific co as well as Dayton. It's really sad to see what has happened to amateur radio it has become nothing more than glorified CB most amateur radio operators nowadays are nothing more than Appliance operators that's why radios like the 7300 are so popular it looks like a toy that should come out of Toys R Us. Unfortunately ham radio is full of Fanboys who will defend their purchase by fabricating false information and there is no shortage of disreputable who will probably falsified and erroneous test results. The popularity of the j-pole antenna is a perfect example that's how easily new hands are fooled by erroneous claims based on inaccurate antenna modeling. Oh and as far as the Pro 3 choppy Spectrum scope for some reason that doesn't seem to prevent it from being one of the top contest rigs used even this day. I just participated in the California qso party. And managed to score over 1,800 contacts using an old Icom Pro 3 and a hex Beam at 30 ft. For comparison another member of our cloud who is an experienced contactor used his new 7300 and barely made 300 contacts, last year the same operator using a Pro 3 head beat my score. Once again it's a great entry level or casual use radio but the claim that its performance exceeds that of high-end contest rigs is laughable at best.
Springtime Happiness... er.. It's winter in the northern bit. The 7300 is an SDR whereas the 7600 is a conventional if stunningly elaborate superhet. So whatever you heard about better sampling the 7300 sampling technology, the 7600 doesn't sample. You can't compare a fast car with a high power motor cycle. The front end of the 7600 is based on its big brother, the 7800. Icom wouldn't claim the 7300 to be superior to the 7800. If you really must parrot technical words which you've heard or read, in order to imbue yourself with an air of erudition, then my advice is to get it right at first. Remember that any one with less knowledge than you profess (Streuth..could there be?) will accept it and be misinformed until somebody puts them right. You can B/S ..blind them with science on 27Mhz. Not so easy with real amateurs. Avoid poseurs offering advice on 'un-boxing'. It's just an ego trip. Who needs advice on slicin the tape, lifting out the various components and counting them. The diatribe which follows can be equally naff. Just ask yourself "To how many beginners did I give a bum steer?"
I do not agree, I own both. The IC-7300 is great but the receiver front end is easily swamped by strong signals. When I want to work weak signals in a contest with lots of strong signals around the IC-7600 is the clear winner with it's roofing filters. The lack of a second RX/Dual watch on the IC-7300 is a deal breaker when trying to work a pile-up or DX running split, even for everyday rag-chewing the ability to listen to 2 frequencies at the same time is great, cannot be done on the IC-7300. As much as I love the little IC-7300 it is not in the same class as far as RX performance and functionality goes, I reserve mine for portable operation and when operating from my yacht.
The 7300 sounds like it's off frequency a little bit.I am a Happy ICOM 7600 owner & user & would never consider the 7300 since it's smaller & requires touching the screen as well just so it will operate.Also ICOM dropped the ball on the S meter on the 7300 & Cheaped out for that Ugly & Useless bar graph design.They keep making a lot of Stupid production decisions as if they just don't care?
I just sold my flawless late serial # 756 Pro 3 & a similarly flawless Yaesu FT-950...I own an Elecraft K3 that I'm keeping and I'm ordering this new 7300 tomorrow. I think your not seeing the future here. SDR's are superior in multiple ways and Icom hit a home run here by bringing the price back to earth. $1,500 is perfect...I've had my fill of $3,000, 4, 5, & $6,000 radios...screw that. This radio will be VERY popular...already is. I was happy with my Pro 3 but Icom no longer has key components for the radio & is limited in what they can or will do for them. The 7600 will be no different, ya have to stay current...this stuff has a lifespan and anything can happen at anytime with electronics. I think it's a terrific new radio from all the videos I've seen. Lotsa excitement.
TheYodastar Front end overload is a big issue with the IC-7300 & it is far from a serious full time rig on so many desks.I'll keep my IC-7600 because it does everything I want or need from a base rig & a lot I'll never ever use & all in one box & that's a Big Plus to me. {:>) de W4KVW
+1OFGODSOWN...99% of hams don't need a "serious full time rig"...you may be one of them since there are so many functions on your radio you never use. I was/am the same way with my Pro 3 & K3. I'm just bored with overpriced "serious rigs"...what exactly is out there that's worth all that money anyway? Constant QRM, rude American operators, right wing lunatics my the hundreds talking about there latest gun/ammo purchase and how they and there buddies have had just about enough, swapping weather reports, geriatric hams discussing their bowel movements???? Give me a break, you'll come to your senses eventually.
TheYodastar I hope that my next rig is an ICOM 7851 if I ever get the funds it will be for sure.I am aiming High because I want the Best & in my opinion the ICOM 7851 is just that.I want everything in one box without the need of an external monitor or computer.I also will not own any rig that requires me too touch the screen so that I can be controlled & again the 7851 fits what I want from an HF/6 meter base Perfectly.Not sure how much better it would be over my IC-7600 but time will tell.Oh & Yes I am a multi firearms owner & have thousands of rounds of ammo & I think the Tea Party is much to Liberal for my liking.I am a Far Right Ultra Conservative Retire Law Enforcement Officer of 30 years.Liberals have made America a pathetic joke & a disgrace of what we once were.
+1OFGODSOWN...I'm a long time Icom fan as well but frankly Elecraft & Flex both out perform them in nearly every important test. I hear lotsa negative remarks about the touch screen on the 7300, mostly from old geezers who like lots of twisty turning knobs. There are billions of touch screens in service today in everything from cell phones to computers to cars to air planes...very few failures...it's proven solid reliable technology. Use a stylus to touch it if you don't want to use your finger & put a screen protector over it if you worry about scratching it. If you don't use your current radio to all of it's potential, why upgrade? Must be an ego thing or something. If you want the best performing ham radio on the market...it's not made by Icom, Kenwood or Yaesu...do the research, look at the Sherwood lab tests and others. I think you like lotsa bells & whistles and associate paying more with actual added performance. Most of the top contesters and "serious" hams left Icom long ago.
Would've liked to see more on comparing weaker signals and filtering between the two which was done briefly, but not enough to come to a conclusion. To me there wasn't a tremendous difference between the two radios. I see now why they call the IC7300 an entry radio. It's great for the typical rag chewer, but leaves a slight less desirable need for DX and contest chasers. Still a super radio for both at an entry level.
Best part of this video is by far the comments. At least entertaining...
Great video de W2CSI
Entre el manoseo de un equipo y otro, la cabeza de uno de los aperadores por medio tapando la imagen y los dedos que tocan aqui y alla sin saber que estan haciendo yo no me he enterado de nada, no se si otros colegas que pudieran ver este video sacaron algo en claro de lo que se queria mostrar, posiblemente el video esta echo con la mejor voluntad pero francamente yo no he sacado nada en claro, es una apreciacion personal, Saludos...
ENGLISH ONLY !
Among the handling of a computer and another, the head of one of the aperadores by covering the image and fingers touching here and there without knowing they are doing I have not heard anything, not if other colleagues who could see this video took something clear what is wanted to show, possibly the video is cast with the best intentions but frankly I have not taken anything clear, it is a personal appreciation, Greetings ... A ver si lo entiendes ahora
do you learn spanisch hombre !!
A mi lo que me gusta son los jilgueros de fobdo
Me llama mucho la atención el ic 7600 , lo que no tengo claro es si su pantalla es Tach cómo la del 7300 agradecería una respuesta saludos de chile ce4sar 👌
No, por suerte no es táctil. Todo es a botones. :-) Saludos!
irritating ! they don`t know what they are doing !
I was thinking exactly the same thing ! ;-)
They turn buttons for turning buttons...
The IC-735 wins!
the 7600 has a more bass sound and is better than the 7300. plus would not own the 7300 with no 2 meter or 70 centimeter.
The Icom IC-7300 has a more responsive spectrum scope.Look at how fluid the scope is compared to the choppy response of the Icom IC-7600.The Icom IC-7300 is half the price of the Icom IC-7600.Has better direct sampling technology.Proven to receive clearer, and transmit great.The Icom IC-7300 is your best choice!
LOL the IC-7300 while a great entry level rig isn't even in the same league as the 7600. There is more to a rig than a spectrum scope and to be honest a spectrum scope is more of a gimmick than anything else. It might be useful for new hams but an experienced ham can locate signals much faster using the VFO.
Also, outside a lab these A/B tests are pretty much worthless as all they do is demonstrate the Users lack of skill and inability to read a manual. The 7600 has far better tools for fighting QRM and digging out weak signals which is one of the draw backs of reviews by Sherwood engineering.
When Sherwood engineering test a receiver they test the base receiver and never employ any of the rigs tools for improving performance.which makes these test very deceptive and biased.
For example the IC-7000 which has a 73db dynamic range as compared to the Flex radios 103 db dynamic range, The one thing they don't tell you is the IC-7000 has two 60db IF notch filters with adjustable width and depth which can take out a 50 over S9 signal at the touch of a button effectively giving the IC-7000 a 133db worth of dynamic range.
As for audio quality once again this simply exposes the user's lack of skill. Heck I managed to earn DXCC on 8 bands using nothing more than an old IC-735 proving it's not the radio but rather the skill level of the operator.
The bottom line is the IC-7300 is a very nice entry level casual use radio but tested under the demanding fast paced environment of chasing DX and radio sport it fails miserably because almost all its tools are buried as much as 3 menus deep making the user interface grueling slow and cumbersome to use in a fast paced radio sport environment .
And this thing about digging weak signals out of the noise is BS because when is the last time you heard a legal limit DX station with stacked beams work an S2 station, so even though you may be able to hear him he will never answer you with your 7300 and a dipole because he's too busy answering all the 20 over S9 signals burying your puny s2 signal. With that said I would rather spend $400 on a used HF radio and spend the remaining $1000 in an antenna system rather than buy a 7300 or a 7600 and connect it up to a G5RV or worse. I simply can't believe the number of hams who go out and buy top notch radio like the 7300 and 7600 and connected them up to dipoles and G5RV's, what a frigging waste. It's like connecting a $3000 home stereo system up to a pair of $10 computer speakers.
Springtime Happiness I'm not sure what kind of crack you're smoking but that's not even close to being true.
First of all the Spectrum scope is nothing more than a novelty, it might be somewhat useful for shortwave listeners looking for stations but as a serious tool for dxing or contesting it's worthless. It's actually more of a distraction.
As for the performance specs of the 7300 again I don't know what type of crack you're smoking but your claims aren't based in reality.
The receiver performance of the 7300 is about on par with the Icom 706 series and suffers from serious overload issues. Once again making it useless as a contest radio or for youth during heavily congested band conditions.
As for its transmitter once again its performance is about on par with the 706 and 7000 series with third order IMD product being down barely 27 DBC.
Don't fret the elecraft series doesn't fare much better with its transmitter specifications.
With that said the 7300 is a great entry-level radio but to claim that it is superior to the high-end contest rigs just demonstrates Fanboyism
I not only hold an extra class ham radio license when they actually meant something you know before they dumb down the test. I also hold a commercial radio license and service Aviation and marine radios as well as Ham radios.
I have a full electronic shop stocked with Agilent Spectrum analyzers signal Generator Service monitors Distortion meter.......
This means I have the ability to perform the exact same test as Sherwood engineering and the ARRL and I do so on every rig I get my hands on.
I put the 7300 through in paces and did a complete transmit and receive evaluation on several samples of that radio. Once again while it is a great entry-level radio its performance is more on par with the older 7000, 706, series of radios.
Particularly concerning is it susceptibility to front end overload.
Unfortunately hams today are nothing more than glorified CBers the vast majority of newly-minted extra class hymns wouldn't know how to read a Smith chart let alone and know what it dBc means without looking it up.
As for my credentials other than holding an extra class Ham radios ticket issues over 40 years ago, I also hold a FCC commercial license. I'm a member of the ARRL dxcc honor roll.
I'm also a member of the CQ magazines wpx honor roll and my name is published monthly in the magazine.
I frequently contribute technical article to CQ magazine as well as several other ham radio related Publications. I've been a guest speaker at Pacific co as well as Dayton.
It's really sad to see what has happened to amateur radio it has become nothing more than glorified CB most amateur radio operators nowadays are nothing more than Appliance operators that's why radios like the 7300 are so popular it looks like a toy that should come out of Toys R Us.
Unfortunately ham radio is full of Fanboys who will defend their purchase by fabricating false information and there is no shortage of disreputable who will probably falsified and erroneous test results.
The popularity of the j-pole antenna is a perfect example that's how easily new hands are fooled by erroneous claims based on inaccurate antenna modeling.
Oh and as far as the Pro 3 choppy Spectrum scope for some reason that doesn't seem to prevent it from being one of the top contest rigs used even this day.
I just participated in the California qso party. And managed to score over 1,800 contacts using an old Icom Pro 3 and a hex Beam at 30 ft. For comparison another member of our cloud who is an experienced contactor used his new 7300 and barely made 300 contacts, last year the same operator using a Pro 3 head beat my score.
Once again it's a great entry level or casual use radio but the claim that its performance exceeds that of high-end contest rigs is laughable at best.
Springtime Happiness...
er.. It's winter in the northern bit.
The 7300 is an SDR whereas the 7600 is a conventional if stunningly elaborate superhet. So whatever you heard about better sampling the 7300 sampling technology, the 7600 doesn't sample. You can't compare a fast car with a high power motor cycle.
The front end of the 7600 is based on its big brother, the 7800. Icom wouldn't claim the 7300 to be superior to the 7800.
If you really must parrot technical words which you've heard or read, in order to imbue yourself with an air of erudition, then my advice is to get it right at first.
Remember that any one with less knowledge than you profess (Streuth..could there be?) will accept it and be misinformed until somebody puts them right.
You can B/S ..blind them with science on 27Mhz. Not so easy with real amateurs.
Avoid poseurs offering advice on 'un-boxing'. It's just an ego trip. Who needs advice on slicin the tape, lifting out the various components and counting them.
The diatribe which follows can be equally naff.
Just ask yourself "To how many beginners did I give a bum steer?"
I do not agree, I own both. The IC-7300 is great but the receiver front end is easily swamped by strong signals. When I want to work weak signals in a contest with lots of strong signals around the IC-7600 is the clear winner with it's roofing filters. The lack of a second RX/Dual watch on the IC-7300 is a deal breaker when trying to work a pile-up or DX running split, even for everyday rag-chewing the ability to listen to 2 frequencies at the same time is great, cannot be done on the IC-7300. As much as I love the little IC-7300 it is not in the same class as far as RX performance and functionality goes, I reserve mine for portable operation and when operating from my yacht.
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The 7300 sounds like it's off frequency a little bit.I am a Happy ICOM 7600 owner & user & would never consider the 7300 since it's smaller & requires touching the screen as well just so it will operate.Also ICOM dropped the ball on the S meter on the 7300 & Cheaped out for that Ugly & Useless bar graph design.They keep making a lot of Stupid production decisions as if they just don't care?
I just sold my flawless late serial # 756 Pro 3 & a similarly flawless Yaesu FT-950...I own an Elecraft K3 that I'm keeping and I'm ordering this new 7300 tomorrow. I think your not seeing the future here. SDR's are superior in multiple ways and Icom hit a home run here by bringing the price back to earth. $1,500 is perfect...I've had my fill of $3,000, 4, 5, & $6,000 radios...screw that. This radio will be VERY popular...already is. I was happy with my Pro 3 but Icom no longer has key components for the radio & is limited in what they can or will do for them. The 7600 will be no different, ya have to stay current...this stuff has a lifespan and anything can happen at anytime with electronics. I think it's a terrific new radio from all the videos I've seen. Lotsa excitement.
TheYodastar Front end overload is a big issue with the IC-7300 & it is far from a serious full time rig on so many desks.I'll keep my IC-7600 because it does everything I want or need from a base rig & a lot I'll never ever use & all in one box & that's a Big Plus to me. {:>) de W4KVW
+1OFGODSOWN...99% of hams don't need a "serious full time rig"...you may be one of them since there are so many functions on your radio you never use. I was/am the same way with my Pro 3 & K3. I'm just bored with overpriced "serious rigs"...what exactly is out there that's worth all that money anyway? Constant QRM, rude American operators, right wing lunatics my the hundreds talking about there latest gun/ammo purchase and how they and there buddies have had just about enough, swapping weather reports, geriatric hams discussing their bowel movements???? Give me a break, you'll come to your senses eventually.
TheYodastar I hope that my next rig is an ICOM 7851 if I ever get the funds it will be for sure.I am aiming High because I want the Best & in my opinion the ICOM 7851 is just that.I want everything in one box without the need of an external monitor or computer.I also will not own any rig that requires me too touch the screen so that I can be controlled & again the 7851 fits what I want from an HF/6 meter base Perfectly.Not sure how much better it would be over my IC-7600 but time will tell.Oh & Yes I am a multi firearms owner & have thousands of rounds of ammo & I think the Tea Party is much to Liberal for my liking.I am a Far Right Ultra Conservative Retire Law Enforcement Officer of 30 years.Liberals have made America a pathetic joke & a disgrace of what we once were.
+1OFGODSOWN...I'm a long time Icom fan as well but frankly Elecraft & Flex both out perform them in nearly every important test. I hear lotsa negative remarks about the touch screen on the 7300, mostly from old geezers who like lots of twisty turning knobs. There are billions of touch screens in service today in everything from cell phones to computers to cars to air planes...very few failures...it's proven solid reliable technology. Use a stylus to touch it if you don't want to use your finger & put a screen protector over it if you worry about scratching it. If you don't use your current radio to all of it's potential, why upgrade? Must be an ego thing or something. If you want the best performing ham radio on the market...it's not made by Icom, Kenwood or Yaesu...do the research, look at the Sherwood lab tests and others. I think you like lotsa bells & whistles and associate paying more with actual added performance. Most of the top contesters and "serious" hams left Icom long ago.
The boys are comical playing with the radios like 3 year olds Haha.