FTdx10 vs IC-7300 Comparison
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- This week Jonathan compares the new Yaesu FTdx10 and the Icom IC-7300. What are your comments on either? We appreciate the designs of both!
FTdx10: www.hamradio.co.uk/amateur-ra...
IC-7300: www.hamradio.co.uk/amateur-ra...
00:00 - Intro
00:19 - Physical differences
01:32 - Front panel overview
03:43 - Rear inputs/outputs
06:21 - Audio comparison (CW)
08:26 - SSB comparison
11:37 - Scope options
14:37 - Additional thoughts
15:09 - Accessories
16:14 - Outtro
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Bought the 7300 new two years ago. Just sold it and bought a FTDX-10. Both are great for what they are. I wouldn't call the FTDX-10 a beginners radio. When you connect the coax, all the hype goes away and things get real. The 7300 is a nice, general purpose radio with a good receiver. If you into digital comm, you'll love it! The FTDX-10 is much more suited to 'heavy duty" radio, like ARRL Sweepstakes and DX Worldwide. Some will not like the Yaesu way of doing things. They will more appreciate the 7300. In the late 70s I ran Drake "C" line, Since then multiple Kenwoods and Yaesu. I've used a bunch of radios, mostly mine but others also, including Icom. The 7300 is amazing technology. If a strong station moves in close, turn on the wide notch and manually dial in the interfering station. The notch will reduce that signal way down, almost gone. Yes, on SSB! Both have amazing tech bells and whistles. The Yaesu has a few more and with greater functionality. Both are great! It just depends on which meets your needs and wants.
Great to speak with you, Jonathan. Thanks for your help!
Owned the 7300, now have the 101MP. The 7300 is a great radio but the receiver on the 101 significantly outperforms the 7300 in real-world use. Since the 10 is essentially the same architecture as the 101 (hybrid minus the VC tune), there should be a big difference in the ability of the 10 to work a crowded band and deal with adjacent signals. I almost never use DNR, but do use the contour all the time on the Yaesu. Having a constant visual for the notch and bandpass is a plus. You also have more control over rx and tx eq on the 10. I also don't use the 3D display as I prefer a standard waterfall. The extra money over the 7300 is getting you better rx performance. If you want/need that, then it is money well spent. I found that when I switched to the 101MP, I was hearing and working stations that I couldn't with the 7300 - same antennas, etc. Bang-for-the-buck on the 7300 is very high, but there are better performing radios out there. The 10 appears to be one of them.
I work signals some of my ham buds can't even hear on their Icoms. In our group, the Icom guys are always the first ones to belly ache about splatter or noise I don't even hear.
It's all location/aerial ralated
nechápu proč, ale i vlajkové lodě jako IC7610 produkují mnoho vlastního šumu, ze kterého bolí hlava, v 7300 často slabé signály v šumu zcela zanikají, je to škoda. @@richb.4374
Great comparison 👏
Thanks Johnathan.
Great demonstration of the two radios especially valuable now that physical visits to a showroom are more difficult
Really interested in this ftdx10. Have the 991 now, and the step up to the 10 is a huge upgrade. Its good to be a ham operator with all ofour options
Just ordered my ftdx 10 I'm so excited can't wait for it now !!! Already own a very sweet ftdx 3000
@@radioman6489 I am more than pleased with it !! I love it !!
@@radioman6489 is it worth the extra cash I’m so close to getting one but it is pricey
Nice review and vid. Its the Yaesu for me.
Hi Jonathan - your presentation skills are first class! Great video as always. cheers Rob M7URG
About the scope options. The Icom also has 3 options as well. You have to hold the center mode button down and you get a scrolling option. I know that the Yaesu has a much better noise floor, but I love a lot of the features that Icom gives you. I have always liked both brands, But my next one will be the FT-710 due to it's quieter reception, and external mouse and monitor options. Now, I am truly waiting on Icom to make a rebuttal to these radios. Can't wait. Free enterprise at work.
Thanks for that
Brilliant!
The height of the waterfall can be changed on the ftdx10 by pressing the waterfall with 3 different heights.
The waterfall is much better as well when the level is set for the band conditions rather than having it on full blast.
Went ahead and ordered the ftdx10. Got it in thursday. Really impressive. I will say that the DNR, unlike the 991, seems to result in a much less natural RX voice. I didnt have this issue with the 991. I can only speculate that the DSP system design is contributing to that. With that said, its ability to completely REMOVE incoming frequency and band noise is spectacular. Yes, you compromise some natural voice tone, but that is better than not hearing the RX signal.
Okay...the 3-D nonsense is a bit gimmicky, but Im certainly not the first to bring that up. However, I just dont use it. The rig offers the standard waterfall, expanded view, complete control of the band width you wish to monitor, as well as a multi mode that includes an oscilloscope. Also a lot of adjustment to the speed of the waterfall, the intensity of the received signal display, many color options etc etc.
I have found that they did a good job of making the most used functions quickly and easily accessible. Im sure there will be some that will not like the menu setting sub-menu, but that is very much a personal preference.
So is it worth $1700? Guess that is up to the buyer and user. The 7300 is an amazing rig for $1000.....the 991a is the most versatile rig, which may be very good for those that have limited space or possibilities even a newer HAM that doesnt yet know what segments of the hobby will most interest them....and the dx10 seems to offer many options that are predominantly seen on much more expensive rigs. The size of the screen, the fact that it connects directly to a monitor and mouse instead of through a computer, the extended adjustments within the carious menus ans perimeters.
So where am I today? Im keeping the 991 for now, and it is in use in my shack. The dx10 is an extremely good fit for how I use an HF radio, and the additional cost was worth it for me as nothing else on the market had similar offerings under anywhere near that price range. Most were $3000 plus.
Thank you for the upload and comparisons. Personally, Even though the FTDX10 seems to have a better sounding and fractionally more sensitive receive. I think the transmit audio is slightly better on the IC 7300. The 300 quid plus different in price would go a long way towards a nice antenna setup..In my humble opinion. 73s HS0ZOU.
yes the 730 is simple bass tone set up the yaesu has always failed with TX audio
Nice. Given the price difference, the Icom wins.
Thanks for your videos,…. Watching from Kentucky “ The Bluegrass State “ USA 🇺🇸.
Love 💕 your Ya”ll Videos
nice to see these radios side by side, thought about trading in the 7300 but it looks like it competes well against the ftdx 10, though I think the yaesu has slightly better noise reduction...and the mouse control looks interesting, the display is slight bigger ... the 7300 has been solid for 2+ years that ive had it and hundreds of contacts
Muy buen trabajo
Both are great radios. Can’t go wrong with either. 7300 is going for a bit less as of this writing, if cost is a factor. There are subtle differences with the options - preference is on the user. These are not completion rigs, so comparison to a rig that is designed and priced differently is not a fair comparison, but for a daily or starter rig - can’t go wrong with either.
Thx lil pal pal!
Great informative video thanks. If you ever do an update please can you show the screens in the same colour so we can see a better comparison. Thanks.
Not a fair comparison given the FTDX-10 runs about 70% more, clearly not in the same price bracket. The beauty of the IC-7300 is that it compares well to radios costing considerably more, as seen here.
The price is part of the comparison. The viewer can size up all the features and decide if the price difference is worth it. No need for the price to be equal to compare them
@@Factory400 why not compare it to a 7610 then?
@@chazwozza67 Well, anything could be compared to anything.
They are within a $100 of each other ?
The audio on hf is better on the icom 7300. They are both decent radios but I will always go with icom.
I was surprised at how poor the SSB was on the Yaesu. I don't want to listen to people talk through a pile of wet rags. The 7300 sounds much better. Very disappointing given the hype.
IC7300, because Icom do interfaces. Yaesu, bless them, do menus. There's a difference. One is a thought through structure, the other is vomiting all the (HUGELY impressive) features into a massive list.
I am selling my IC-7300 back to HRO and getting the FTdx10 today. I was not overly impressed by the RX performance -- especially with CW. It does not deal with noise and weak signals very well. The audio is not especially pleasant. I love the menuing system, and am not looking forward to learning a whole new rig. 73 de Chris KQ6UP
Thanks for the demo. Perhaps you should have used the same CW frequency /signal demonstrating each radio's internal speaker, as you did for SSB. I like how the narrator characterizes ten band scope ranges as "any number" (of ranges.) I wish you had adjusted the waterfall reference/contrast on each radio to demonstrate optimum appearance, especially as it appears you did not use the default settings on either model. Comparing two muddy, noisy waterfall displays fails to indicate either best or worst case, leaving one to wonder how they look when set to optimum display performance. Good starter comparison - thanks. TT
Yaesu & ICOM are my two favorite brands for Radios. Being very tempted about getting the FTdx10 but price is a big issue for me. The ICOM is more affordable but seems like more bells & whistles in the Yaesu.
@Steven H I've got both the DX10 and 7300. I have to say I have much more time on the DX10 and use it all the time. I did unbox and put the 7300 in line for a couple days to make sure everything worked. If I could only have one radio today i would pick the DX 10 but if I were buying a radio and comparing features I would be hard pressed not to get the 7300....it's so much less expensive than the DX 10. Just an opinion.
Well today the price difference is at 500$ here. 1,100 for the 7300 and 1,600 for the FTDX10. I went with the FTDX10 - better receiver, like the option to display to a bigger screen, like the mouse. And the review is wrong about the waterfall display - you can choose 3 sizes on the Yaesu. I was thinking about settling (for me and the options I like) for the 7300 as I couldn't justify the price of the IC 7610 or the Yaesu FTDX101MP. While the 7300 is a good value, with the Yaesu FTDX10 I found a transceiver that did exactly what I wanted for just a little more than the 7300.
Always concerned when one rig is compared to another that is longer in the tooth. IC7300 set the bar high in affordable radios incorporating SDR. The proof in the pudding is that they have sold bucket loads. In the Ftdx10 we see improvements in technology that a newer set should have, I am a proud owner of this but I also get to operate the 7300 and they are both great rigs. Wait to see how ICOM respond to the newer breed and I'm sure they won't be resting on their laurels - genius stroke with the IC705 which just goes to show they are a leader/innovator in the field amateur radio. The great thing is the prospective buyer is spoilt for choice, the Yaesu being the more pricey option. You can't go wrong with either. Just enjoy what you have and enjoy this great hobby.
On the FTDX 10. Why would want the optional 300hz CW filter if you can adjust the width down to 50hz?
Jonathan, the height of the waterfall can be set in three different size and the vfo knob torque could be regulated. Nice work, but read deep the manual before doing a presentation. Moreover, during the CW comparison the FTdx-10 was not correctly centered on the signal causing bad audio compared to the 7300 (look at the video, you will notice the CW Tune meter bouncing).
I would like to see FTDX10 vs IC-7300 at digging out weak signals. I don't compare radios based on their visual displays.
noone ever shows how slow the refresh is, for me looking at the history of a band in the waterfall is a feature I'd like more
@@willgilliam9053 the waterfall speed on the icom is slower
The Yaesu is slightly better at digging out weak signals, i had to find a signal i could only just hear on the yaesu but still be able to make the words out, i couldn't make them out on the icom although i could tell he was there just.
You can reduce the speed on the ftdx 10
@@TheBob78249 Sorry but don't Is a Speed waterfall problem.. ICOM have averaging function and yaesu no...ICOM have 5 Years old but have this function...73
The 7300 is very easy to remote using RCForbe Remote Hams freeware. Can you use the FTDX10 in a similiar fashion, outputting audio and rig control via the USB connector?
FTDX10 would be my choice.
lots of money
@@samuelantonov9939 lots of money, lots of extra like direct TV output DVI-D to HDMI ! ;-)
FTDX hands down winner!
I am looking for my first 100W right now as a new amateur, and if one of these radios had I/Q output over USB... that would be the deciding point for me. Id love to have I/Q output of the entire band.
Did you find a radio that provides this I/Q output?
i have and ftdx10 and 7300 in my opinion and its only my opinion 7300 just wins i am not bias i have an ft1000mpmk5 an ft 950 and a991 but i still think the 7300 just wins i must stress its only my opinion there both good rigs though
Great Video Jonathan. However depending where you buy your 7300 from you are looking at price difference of £450-£550. 7300 pound for pound is better value, in my opinion. DE G5ROB
Think you will find the price difference will reduce greatly once the FTdx10 gets more pronounced in the market oplace. Remember it's only been available for 6 weeks, the 7300 almost 4 years. Either way both are excellent transceivers and like BMW or Mercedes, either will give any future owner great performance and no doubt reliability. Stay safe!
Nice video! I've heard that the 7300 had an issue with the internal battery that when discharged (after being left unplugged for an extended period of time) meant that radio couldn't keep the clock setting. Is this an issue with the FTDX-10?
Will the icom 7300 price drop now the FTdx10 is on the market ?
Nice video, that 3D graph looks neat but looks like it would lose it's appeal rather quickly.
Yaesu : p.amp1 actived and icom : no p.amp actived for this video. Same signal for icom 7300 .
Icom 7300 is a best for me. I wait a New version of ic 7300
@@radioman6489 I am waiting and I hope that icom will release a new version for 2021 2022 maybe a 7400! in the video he compares a yaesu post from december 2020 to the 7300 which is already old. but for me the test is done yaesu to copy on icom 7300. that's all !!
@@radioman6489 OK many thank for this information. I wish you a best 4 U and Family. Stay safe
Notice how the RFG on the 7300 really doesn't drop the noise level like the FTdx10. Thank you for the nice vid.
Well spotted....
Maybe you have some insight as to why Icom did not offer AGCT (instead of an RFG that does little to reduce noise) like so many other OEM's. SDR Console has it as well as other SDR s/w. Flex has it as well as many others. I am a big Icom fan, but after using AGCT, I will not buy an SDR without it. If the SDR does not have AGCT, then I prefer the superhet like the FTdx-10. My IC-7700 was always better for noise than the 7300 & 7610 I had.
Hi Jonathan I know maybe you guys can’t disclose the Mars mode for the ftdx10 but I want to do it on my radio if u can help me with that info I really appreciate it thanks and great videos👍👍👏🏻👏🏻
You should compare the ICOM 705 to the DX10. Yeah, I know the 705 is a 10W QRP unit, but those are the two that I am trying to decide between. Pricewise, they are closer together. Thanks for the review. 73 - KE8RLR
First thing I notice is that Yaesu actually labels all their stuff. Just saying.
Great video.
Does the FTDX-10 have a function to average the spectrum scope like the 7300? Also, what do you expect the price to come down to on the DX-10, US dollars.
Thanks
There is no option for averaging on the spectrum scope on the dx10
@@TheBob78249 which is ridiculous
It seems that Yaesu has brought forward their practice of trimming off the high-end response (from the 101d). Listen to the
SSB signals. This results in tight selectivity numbers, but the audio is muddier. Also, no averaging on the 10D display? Really? Did you guys Not hear we 101D users? That one thing is a kill-shot for me.
Most of the time it's not the rigs fault why a signal is muddy, it's some hams obsession with running lots of bass to sound like a commercial DJ instead of a ham. I can make my Yaesu's sound like muddy bass or a tin can, it's all in the EQ and mike you use and how it's set up.
I prefer FTDX10 because EXT Display is usable.
That was a MAJOR point for me. It is amazing!
Thanks for the great video. I see the Icom is made in Japan, where is the Yaesu made?
Also Japan
Good presentation Mr Karl Pilkington with a beard.
Im looking for advice on what would be a good beginners tranciever for a beginner money isnt an issue but i dont want to buy when i havent the knowledge ive been told 73oo is good for a beginner.
Do you.have any advice for a beginner my pal is 15 yrs an amateur hes intermediate he paid £2500 2nd hand when you look at it is like dashboard of a fighter jet it has more buttons than enough it would probably befuddle most beginners so i wonder what would b a good starter transceiver im ĺooking to buy brand new
Regards adrian
Both
Thank you jonathan! I think I'm gonna buy yaesu ft dx 10 ! I have icom 7300 . But ft dx 10's amazing filter amazing dnr and so cool. 73 de TA5VET
If the SSB setting of the FTDX10 was optimal, then that is anything but a good one
Promotion of this transceiver. Seldom experienced such a dull frequency response.
I am shopping for a new radio. I will get the Yaesu FTDX 10 for sure
How does the FTdx10 perform as a General Coverage receiver ????
No, there is a gap around the IF frequency, as on all down conversion receivers, including the FTDX101D and MP, TS890, K3...
Also check for the image and IF rejections which can be poor, for example see the figures of the TS890 in the QST review.
These problems are a trade mark of down conversion receivers.
John what is the maximum TX bandwidth pls?
@@Rick-wy4od That cannot be right. More like 2.9 to 3.2Khz ish
Icom all the way up
IC 7300 has a better display and no 3d gimmicks buy the 7300 all day
Yaesu needs a firmware update to support a wireless mouse. Doesn't work with Logitech M318 or M325...not mine anyway. corded does work fine.
Amazon Basics wireless mouse uses a tiny USB dongle (I'm sure there are others), so no native Bluetooth mouse support is necessary.
@@pixoariz my logitech uses a bluetooth dongle, that doesn't work either, the wired mouse works fine.
Logitech M310 works !
Indeed. The FTDX is by far the superior unit. Mind you, antennas, microphones, co-ax, speakers, location, users etc. all play a roll reaching in this conclusion. Looking at antennas, the Royal Cuboid Yagi Laser Beam Deferential Cross Cut Bellicose Arrow Mk 8, has brilliant static qualities. It enjoys a Silly Wire Rating of 4,245 and is yours for lots of money…………. Thank goodness there is no “perfect” radio, everyone would have the same boring piece of .,.,… The “hobby” is shrinking because of arrogance around equipment. Home brewed units are the epitome of what AR is about, but stuff all can do it these days.
You must be joking. Is there really an antenna called "Royal Cuboid Yagi Laser Beam Deferential Cross Cut Bellicose Arrow Mk 8" ... that's a ridiculously unmarketable name if there is!
he is joking
No one mentions the price difference when comparing that deserves a mention Icom ic-7300 £1199.95 the Yaesu £1549.95 thats a huge difference The Icoms display is much better in my opinion and for £350 less for me wins hands down.
Is the ftdx10 that much better in your opinion to justify the cost.
Listen to the sideband comparison. The 7300 sounds much more natural. The Yaesu is all muffled.
@@PelDaddy Yes I agree with you,the Icom definitely sounds better on SSB. I think that will be my next radio 👍🏻
Are they both SDR radios?
yes
No. The Icom is full sdr. The Yaesu is down conversion.
Still not shure what radio to buy. Ftdx10 seems far more complex then the icom 7300. An rs 232 , not outdated for a new radio? Same for dgital port to a screen…sound seems very sharp from the yeasu. The icom has no screenoutput but has a voice and settingsrecording thru an card. Not so in the yeasu.
? Still many questions about these radio’s and i am looking on the many video’s here on youtube…..
Yaesu FTdx 10
Can I just have them both??? JaJa. Cause I can't decide.
Can’t make my mind up yaesu or icom
Greetings dear friend. It has been the question of many Radio Amateurs in the world and I would like to hear your sincere and technical opinion if possible because this has become a worldwide debate with controversial opinions. Are the new transceivers with Touch-screen technology really reliable? wouldn't they be easier to give technical problems? Or is this a meaningless myth?
Yaesu waterfall destroy the eyes...ICOM always one step ahead...
Turn off the noise reduction so we can here what the radio sounds like. So aggressive on the Yaesu it sounds like the guy was in a Tupperware bowl.
The 7300 is noisier
Let me tell you both radios, yaesu and Icom. All, All internal components are from the same trade mark, same reference, same model, same electrical size or valor. That's means that both are the same, with diferente design and price...sorry, you can check inside and verify the info got you about this real good radios.
So we see again no one can give the ic7300 the water