You CAN go to Liberty Safe and have them take your combination out of their records. This, theoretically, puts them on "Apple footing." Check out their website for more information.
Assuming you believe they will actually purge the codes, or they're not backed up on hard drives somewhere. I think the trust is likely gone from a large portion of Liberty's customer base.
A Few months ago, I had a hard choice between a Custom Made Fort Knox Executive or The Presidential from Liberty, I chose to go with Fort Knox. Now knowing what Liberty just did, Now Im glad I chose Fort Knox.
Since they have already demonstrated that they can not be trusted why would anyone believe they will actually do this or destroy every single backup of this data? Past performance is the best predictor of future behavior.
If Liberty was actually compelled to provide the information they should have stated so in the initial press release. Boycott them into dust. Those safes are worthless now.
You people are true idiots. Liberty safe complied with a legally legitimate order. You would too. You would not go to jail for this, so stop with all this phony self righteous nonsense. Boycott you goobers, sure. But not Liberty Safes. Great company. Great products. And stop wasting time doing evil. Start investing time in doing what’s right.
Boycott Liberty Safes. Period. A safe, once purchased from a vendor, is the sole property of the owner. Liberty has no right or responsibility to maintain records or grant access to a safe no longer in their possession.
I first saw this back in the eighties, when it came out in trial that corvettes had a black box recording speed on all vehicles sold, solely for their own purpose to defend against claims against them, NOT in any way usable by the purchaser of the vehicle. At the time, it ruffled a lot of feathers, but today it seems so common most people don’t even care.
In all fairness, when the purchaser is told that if they ever get locked out of their safe that they’ll need to furnish proof of identity before being Liberty will help get them back into it, how did they think this was going to work? That said, when I buy a safe, I bought the ENTIRE safe which includes the carpet inside, the shelves, the lock, AND everything to do with that lock including ALL the combinations. If the company had listed that they or the government wanted to cover 25% of the cost because they wanted to also own access to the safe in perpetuity, then I’d have nobody to blame but myself.
I emailed liberty thanking them for helping me narrow down my choices for purchasing a safe by eliminating their brand from contention due to this incident.
People boycotted S&W for a whole 5 minutes. They still make Hillary Hole Firearms too. Nothing really changed but a little shuffling around of shareholders and management. It's the same old Fudd company it has always been.
Nobody expected Liberty to go to jail for their customers. But EVERYONE expected better than we got. Liberty will NEVER recover from this. And I will do my part.
Every Safe manufacturer would give out the combinations if asked by FLEO'S. We did it all the time, but many juries don't agree with the practice of asking n given combinations to convict someone. So it isn't very popular to do so, as the judges will routinely throw the retrieved items as unlawful concent n dismiss it as evidence. 😢
Liberty was in a no win situation. Would the reaction be any less if they gave the access code after being served with a subpoena? Yea, it would have delayed the FBI getting into the safe for an hour or 2 at most. I think most of the outrage is over the fact that Liberty had these secret factory access code in all of their safes.
1. No warrant given TO liberty safe. 2. Liberty safe has NO AUTHORITY to give access to a safe that belongs to another person. The codes do not belong to liberty safe.
@@daytonagreg8765 You clearly don't understand the limits of the warrant. A warrant was not served to Liberty, therefore they were under no obligation to provide the code. This is clearly not the first time the FBI has done this. They had them on speed dial, I would bet on it.
So many people say that but then when a personal situation arises that they themselves need that "backdoor" they are quick to talk sh!t about the company and that they spent so much money on the companies product and now they cant use it, etc... I've seen it countless times.
I was very happy to see that you were presenting your take on this topic. Thanks as always. One thing is for sure, Liberty Safes has taken a huge hit. The 2A community is not likely to forget or forgive. If a Liberty Safe customer lives someplace that has safe storage laws, can they ever be in compliance with those laws, since they are not truly in control of all means of access to the safe? It's a stretch, I know. What are the other safe companies doing now? I personally changed the lock on my safe to a hybrid style with both an electronic and mechanical dial. I did it more as a failsafe and EMP protection. That breaks the trail of the safe manufacturer to my combination.
Great video, I go directly to your channel anytime a topic is coming down the pipes in the firearms world. That way I know the information I am receiving will be accurate, and not over exaggerated like these other channels. I also appreciate you not using catchy, inaccurate titles to gain views.
It's happened enoughr they have a policy for it. And if you know anything about corporate America you know that speaks volumes about how often it's happened.
The best breakdown I’ve heard on this situation so far. Thank You I’m curious how many people bothered to read the fine print on things they purchased?
What appears to have happened was the FBI arrested the suspect and had a warrant to search his home. Upon finding a Liberty Safe in the home contacted the company, stated they are the FBI, and asked for the code to unlock it then and there. Had they actually served Liberty Safe with a subpoena for the code (not the warrant for the property, the warrant to Liberty for the code itself) the process would've taken days because those have to be served in person...instead it took minutes.
Great marketing opportunity for any safe company that ACTUALLY PROTECTS their customers. The "Tyranny" Safe Company does not. With regard to your format, sure, I like it. It's nice to hear a competent attorney speak to the matters you address. Keep it coming! :)
What I would’ve done, had I’ve been Liberty Safe is, I would’ve told the FBI to send the warrant that says I must turn over the information. Only then would I have given them the passcode.
Correct. Not a copy of a search warrant for the property of XXX. But rather a warrant signed by a Judge to liberty safe for the combination to safe serial # xyz.. I might have 2 and they may not be on the same property so if they didn't get a warrant for the other property they do not have authority to receive that combination..
So are you really that upset that Liberty gave the FBI the code an hour or 2 earlier than necessary? To me, I'm more concerned that they have a secret factory access code for every safe.
@@andrewschliewe6392 that is concerning, but I always figured they along with every other manufacturer would. I mean they put in over ride codes in things. So at the very least with the fact that in this case we're talking about something where you're guarantee is that my property will be secure. The least you could do if you do have any type of override would be to require a warrant to assist. However I would be more interested in how to change the combination of key. Then they don't know because it was changed... Unless they have a master key/override
Thank you Liberty for assisting me in choosing a safe. Liberty was my #1 choice bit that has changed. I’d rather select a company that values the privacy and security of its customers. Thanks again! Just saved me a few bucks and making a horrible decision.
How? if that safe company has an access code to help customers that can't get into their safe, they will be giving up the access code just like Liberty.
@@andrewschliewe6392 Thank you, I have said the same thing as all of them that sell electronic lock safes have a master code and all of them have at one time or another given said code to law enforcement.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869 Well with Liberty it is not a master code. Each safe has a unique factory passcode. That's why the factory passcodes are like 9 digit codes
@@andrewschliewe6392 The core issue is Liberty providing the master code to an entity that did not compel by court order. Doing a bit of research indicates donations to some of the biggest anti 2A politicians. So it’s no wonder Liberty betrayed its customers.
Most, if not all safe companies do, they just never expected people to read the fine print that comes with the safes, that tells you that, looks like most people didn’t.
Apparently, you haven't been keeping up with the news. On Wednesday night, Liberty announced that owners can opt out of Liberty retaining that factory access code for their safe. However, then Liberty won't be able to help you get into your safe if something happens and you can't get into your safe.
The last time I used a digital lock safe was in a hotel in Belgium, where I mis-set the code, and the kid at the desk was promptly able to let me in with the hotel code. The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions, and I suspect that Liberty keeps those codes primarily for geezers like me who probably comprise most of their customer base. Great video as always Tom. I don't own one of their safes but I imagine they are good.
The warrant apparently was to search the house and it's contents. The FBI had the authority to search the safe. Getting the code just made it easier. It would appear Liberty did not have to provide the code based on the warrant to search the house. Without the code the FBI would have used destructive means to access the contents.
but then the FBI would have gotten a judge to issue a subpoena for Liberty to give the FBI the code, all of which would have taken less than 2 hours. No matter what, Liberty was going to give the FBI the access code.
@@brandexample1776 Please, any judge is going to sign it. The only way they wouldn't is if the original warrant didn't include locked devices. However, they are included in the boilerplate templates for residential and office search warrants.
@@andrewschliewe6392 dumbest comment I've read today. Even if you're 100% right, they obviously should've made the FBI go through the process rather than just folding and giving the information. idk if you're just dense or a boot licker, but something seems wrong.
I highly recommend Deviant Ollam’s video on this topic, he is a professional pen tester, security geek, and 2A advocate. I know tons of programmers who are big 2A advocates here in Silicon Valley, we tend to not trust the government, Big Tech, or any other powerful organizations.
Tom, Love your videos and their content. You are to the point and exact in specifying what we as concerned citizens should know and learn more about. Please keep producing these videos and content. I am always happy to see a notification that you have released new content for the process of gathering information that helps me to grow in knowledge to protect my rights !!!!
Anyone who purchased a safe from Liberty was probably told this by install if they had it installed, I was... So it should not be a shocker that they have a access code if you lock yourself out. Now giving that to the feds is another story...
Thank you Tom! Excuse me for a. familiar reference. As a consumer, I’m definitely not pleased with Liberty Safe’s’ decision. What is currently troubling me is the information Langley Outdoor Academy shared today regarding Library Safe’s political donations to anti 2a democrats running for office recently.
@@andrewschliewe6392 in the end, it’s basically the same thing when you get right down to it. Liberty safe’s profits clearly funnel upwards. AB owns Bud Light… AB is the one subject to the boycott for actions of a subsidiary. Just a reversal here.
Langley Outdoors spews a lot of BS as do the other gun channels, they are always putting up click bait titles claiming things that are not true. Langley Outdoors is not a reliable source for information, further I am not he brother and my wife is not his sister so he really needs to know that opening statement off.
I don’t think Liberty is gonna have to worry about anything in the future because I think they’re done being a safe company unless they go bankrupt and rename it repackage it and come back in the cover of darkness
Why? they were gonna have to give the FBI the access code anyway. And now, Liberty has announced that if one doesn't want Liberty to retain that factory access code, they will remove it from their records. So going forward, this won't be an issue unless you didn't tell Liberty to delete the code from their records.
@@andrewschliewe6392 They didn’t have to give them shit The warrant wasn’t for them And besides they have been donating against their customers piss on them , you better look for a different job
@@andrewschliewe6392lol again you obviously have 0 clue how these digital devices work even if they have said they got rid of YOUR SAFE CODE there is ALWAYS A BACKDOOR CODE for the each kind of digital electronics on theses safes and I'm sure it's for that reason the company does it that way for law enforcement and stupid owners the some how forget the pass
Great segment , I will assume at my own peril that access codes at liberty are assigned by serial number and filed supposedly as a courtesy to their customers . Therefore the only way to protect yourself would be to go so far as buying the safe under an assumed name and after copying the serial number to a secure location , Destroying all identifying numbers on the safe so hopefully your contents will be secure from prying eyes .Keep up the good work Tom.
Thank you for spelling this out, I immediately thought about how Apple handles my privacy, you’d think a safe company would figure this out. I’m actually looking for a safe now, I’ll never purchase a liberty safe.
And that is why I have always owned an iPhone, keep the software up to date and pay attention to the security settings. Apple also told the FBI to pound sand over their request for modified OS software to hack that iPhone. I salute you Tim Cook.
Only reason that case was dropped was the FBI was able to crack the encryption and the phone without Apple's assistance. So your iPhone is NOT secure from law enforcement.
LOL, I needed that laugh, if you think Apple has never accessed a phone for law enforcement you are not very bright. Apple has back door access and Apple has many occasions assisted law enforcement getting data from a phone. They made a big deal out of one phone and you people think they have your back, what a joke.
Hi Tom, My wife and I have enjoyed watching your video's. Keep on posting. You are clear and articulate. The information is easy to understand and along with this video, we enjoy many of the other topics that you cover. Stay healthy, and God bless. Stu
Thanks Tom, I always enjoy hearing your professional take on these issues. Liberty safe is suppose to be selling security and that is not what they provided. And sadly they have known that they have not been doing this for quit some time. They need to pay the a high price for their actions, not only as a punitive measure, but also as a strong warning to others who may have or may choose to go down this same path. As a side note, it use to be a positive value to support law enforcement, but now that the Federal agencies have been weaponized and they are acting like storm troopers trampling the Constitution with a 2 tiered justice system, this no longer applies universally.
One big question I have is this. Does the code that was given to the FBI unlock ALL Liberty safes, or only the one in question, and is that code retained for all future use?
Me as Liberty- There are no override codes FBI agent sir. But please be sure to let us know what all you had to do to get into it for our R&D purposes.
A Safe is just an iron box. The part that makes it secure is the lock, which can potentially be replaced. I have no doubt that even if Liberty "shreds" your backed-up combination, that they still have non-destructive methods of opening the box. Some bright after-market company needs to start producing after-market, secure, locks. Oh yeah, and thermite packs large enough to slag the safe down if someone tries to carry it away.
Specificity on a search warrant is key. Especially if it's an individual citizen and not a warrant for "the" corporation. If they (Liberty) choose to impose their policies instead of constitutional rights, FAFO!
If I were in "Liberty's" position, I would advised law enforcement that we would be glad to honor any warrant that binds the company to provide the code to access the space they expect to find evidence in (and as a former cop, I don't even know how that would be structured or if it would be legal, or if a judge would even sign it, as I feel the legal onus is on the homeowner to allow access) or any subpoena issued to provide the information. Then I would have them deliver a certified true copy to our legal department for review.
Or better yet, do like Apple did (which is about the only think I personally can say is any good about them but that's irrelevant), absolve yourself (Company) by not retaining records that could be obtained. Like Tom said, "you can't give what you don't have". Unless there is a law that obligates them to retain anything that could or would be related to personal privacy, the most ethical thing to do is move yourself from the situation right from the start but not retaining anything that could be sought be anyone.
They legally should have gotten a subpoena (for Liberty), but instead went for an addendum to the warrant (on the individual's property). The phoned in addendum didn't mean squat (to Liberty), because it in no way forced Liberty to hand over confidential information-the warrant was still on the person in custody and the added property in question....(they basically would have had to seize & destroy the whole safe opening it). I wonder who the smarty pants at the FBI was that KNEW they had a back door code...and it's obvious they've done it before - this time they just got caught. As for a judge signing it, all they had to say was it was for J6th and it was a green-lit rubber stamp. But yeh, Liberty bad, they were too willing to fold on their customer. A real 'Bad Faith' moment.
@@CJ-ty8svThe are doing that now, SORT OF. They are giving customers the option of having them delete the information for that individual customer. Shutting the barn door after the horses escaped, if you ask me.
I wonder what problems that would be for non-disclosure agreements on some sort of thought invention that happened to be in that safe things like that crap could be done there because usually when you do non-disclosure nobody but the people on the non-disclosure allowed to see such items or becomes invalid
Love to see the affidavit for search, as to the specific places, persons and things to be searched for and seized. Federal warrants are frequently packs of perjurious lies, as is the BATFE affidavit for search at Waco on the Branch Davidians. I read that one, and it's bogus.
@andrewschliewe6392 Where's you proof that it was in the original search warrant? If it was Liberty Safe would have said that they had a warrant for the safe. I forgot to put this in on my previous post. Not only do I want to see a warrant for the safe, specifically I would ask to see the warrant for the pass code to get into the safe. If they didn't have that, I'd tell them to go pack sand. I believe that warrant was illegal because it was too broad. The judge that signed off on that warrant, the agent that filed the application for it, and the agents that carried it out needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars for their blatant violation of people's Constitutional Rights.
@@kiptonsheekjr.5371 Please, search warrants by nature are broad in scope. The search warrant for the individual's home has standard verbage that includes the contents of any locked object on the premise. It would not have specifically called out a Liberty safe. And no one's constitutional rights were violated. You need to get of your high horse. Sure Liberty could have, in your words, pack sand. But that might trigger the FBI to investigate Liberty Safe. And getting the subpoena for Liberty safe to disclose the factory passcode would have been a formality. There is no scenario where Liberty does not give the FBI the passcode.
@andrewschliewe6392 (There's is no scenario where Liberty Safe does not give the FBI the pass code.) That’s a flat-out lie and proves that you love tyranny of a police state. The scenario is they don't have a warrant, they don't get the pass code. Yes, for the pass code, the warrant has to be specific to that Liberty Safe. They have been abusing the warrants for a long time now, and it needs to stop before we lose our great Constitutional Republic. Nowadays, probable cause doesn't mean anything. Probable cause for a search warrant used to be a substantial bar to meet before obtaining a warrant. Now it seems judges rubber stamp any application for a warrant that comes across their desk. Cops or agents are bared from going on a fishing expedition by the Constitution. Which these broad and open-ended warrants allows police and federal agents to do. You wholeheartedly accept this abuse of power and support a police state.
Curious about the warrant. Was law enforcement looking for items that were to big to fit in the safe? What if the warrant specified "stolen pianos" and the safe contained crack cocaine? Either way, Liberty Safes is going to go the way of Bud Light.
Unless fed boys have a warrant specifically covering that safe (i.e. the warrant specifically defines the specific places to be searched and the specific items being seized as the 4th amendment requires) I would tell them to go pound sand, any good will these people may have had is long gone at this point.
I’LL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH THEM NOW. A couple of thoughts. 1. I was always under the impression that nobody is ever under a legal obligation to make a warrant search easier. If your car is locked and you refuse to unlock it, they would have to break out a window. If your home was locked, they’d have to kick in the door. Silly me, I just assumed if you wouldn’t unlock a safe they’d have to pick, saw, torch, or drill the safe open. 2. Why couldn’t Liberty Safe just print out a complete list of every possible “unlock code” in existence but not collate them with names or serial numbers and then tell them “we guarantee it IS one of these numbers”. Again, nothing in the warrant says you have to make it easy for them.
You are not the brightest bulb in the pack, sure you can refuse to open the safe, they will just call a lock smith to drill it and you just lost your safe and will have to replace it on your dime so what did you think you accomplished. Get a life.
I like this format, and I like the level and the direct nature of the analysis. The only regret is that you left off the topic of these safes having an override code that the customer was never made aware of. This is the sin that Liberty should suffer the most from.
I was a Narc for a few decades, and served thousands of search warrants. When the dopers had a gun safe, I would give them a chance to give the combo and spare the destruction of the safe. If they declined, destruction of the safe would follow. Usually we would call our safe locksmith, who would drill it, and set the tumblers. Almost always, we would seize dope, money and guns. And a few extra hours of overtime.
When they arrived at his house and found a safe there then preceded to contact Liberty safe company and got the access code. Nothing was known prior to searching from what I have seen.
@@jimccc9467 100% an agent found that safe, pulled out his cell phone, googled Liberty Safe contact number, then told them they were the FBI and to give up the code. Imagine just giving up information over the phone to everyone who says they are the FBI.
If Liberty doesn’t reach back out to you and give us a really good explanation, I’m going to need follow up info on alternate quality safes’ shrink wrapped contracts and previous behavioral precedents in subpoena (or non-subpoena) situations.
Tom... Do you really think the end result would be any different? Law Enforcement is going to gain access to that safe if they have a Search Warrant, via a locksmith or a cutting device. Are we going to punish an American Company for a poor decision, that they seem to have realized? Should we expect them to fight the Courts after selling us a safe and making a few hundred dollars?
the problem is this isnt the first time they have voluntarily given access to someone elses property with out the owners permission just based off of their own releasesthey have done this 4000 times, but only because this went viral did they suddenly offer the ability to remove that information from thier records.
An angle I've heard nobody cover: If the FBI wants to get into your safe, no matter who made it, it gets a warrant to that effect and does whatever it has to do to get into your safe. So you're left with a destroyed safe, and they get what they want. Or they enter the code, leave your safe undamaged, and get what they want. They're going to get into your safe if they have a warrant; it does not matter if they get the combo from you, the safe maker, or from nobody. If they get a warrant, they're getting in.
should be the owner's decision on entry being destructive or non-destructive, if the warrant actually covered the safe contents, not the decision of the manufacturer
@@1DwtEaUn It still is. If the FBI shows up with a warrant to get inside your safe, you decide whether to open it or not. If it's me, I would probably open it, let them find nothing incriminating, and get on with life. The bottom line is simple: don't make yourself interesting to the Feds.
Seems like Liberty was protecting the safe. A safe is far easier to break into than an iPhone. Sure you can destroy phone easily, but then data is lost. Even best safes are fairly easily cut open. I’m kind of amazed FBI was kind enough to get combo so as to avoid destroying the safe.
A few years ago I was looking for a safe and leaning toward Liberty until I read "If you change your combination your warranty is void." So I bought a Sturdy Safe. Along with the safe I received the key needed to change the combination and instructions on how to do it. Sturdy Safes is the best, in my opinion.
Bet there's going to be a lot of cheap Liberty gun safes for sale. And regarding new sales, this will be Bud Light 2.0 unless they do something miraculous.
It doesnt cost that much to swap the locks out on these safes. They are all made to fit into a standardized footprint inside all the companies' safes. I don't even think Liberty makes their locks -specialized manufacturers do this and safe companies like Liberty buy them wholesale to build into their safes.
@@michaelinsc9724 that depends on if they come with a custom program from the lock manufacturer for Liberty, or if the code is hashed to the serial number on each particular circuit board in the EPROM chip which is then connected to the serial number of the safe in Liberty's company records. There is still a lot we don't know how these passcodes are built into these electronic locks. They never shared this info with their customers which is a big part of the problem.
@@michaelinsc9724 Back door master codes are maintained according to serial numbers on the back side of the locks. They are easily removed stickers; no serial number makes it very difficult to obtain the back door code.
You CAN go to Liberty Safe and have them take your combination out of their records. This, theoretically, puts them on "Apple footing." Check out their website for more information.
Or you can go to liberty safe and ask money back on there piece of sh1t that doesn’t keep anything safe😂
Assuming you believe they will actually purge the codes, or they're not backed up on hard drives somewhere. I think the trust is likely gone from a large portion of Liberty's customer base.
A Few months ago, I had a hard choice between a Custom Made Fort Knox Executive or The Presidential from Liberty, I chose to go with Fort Knox. Now knowing what Liberty just did, Now Im glad I chose Fort Knox.
Since they have already demonstrated that they can not be trusted why would anyone believe they will actually do this or destroy every single backup of this data?
Past performance is the best predictor of future behavior.
That's a new thing as of the last couple of days
If Liberty was actually compelled to provide the information they should have stated so in the initial press release. Boycott them into dust. Those safes are worthless now.
There is no override to a combination dial. Just change out the pin pad for a combo dial. Problem solved.
They WOULD have.
I was about to buy a Liberty but I guess I'll be as well off with a card board box...
Liberty safe turned out to also donate to democrat anti gun politicians the last 10 cycles all the maximum amount allowed
You people are true idiots. Liberty safe complied with a legally legitimate order. You would too. You would not go to jail for this, so stop with all this phony self righteous nonsense. Boycott you goobers, sure. But not Liberty Safes. Great company. Great products. And stop wasting time doing evil. Start investing time in doing what’s right.
Boycott Liberty Safes. Period. A safe, once purchased from a vendor, is the sole property of the owner. Liberty has no right or responsibility to maintain records or grant access to a safe no longer in their possession.
The bigger issue is that Liberty had a back door in the safes without consumer consent or notification.
I first saw this back in the eighties, when it came out in trial that corvettes had a black box recording speed on all vehicles sold, solely for their own purpose to defend against claims against them, NOT in any way usable by the purchaser of the vehicle.
At the time, it ruffled a lot of feathers, but today it seems so common most people don’t even care.
Ever heard of a " clipper chip " ? If not go google it .
Boycott Liberty Safe, and FTFBI.
C'mon. It's probably clearly stated on page 43, paragraph 32, Item 7(q)(4) of the customer agreement.
In all fairness, when the purchaser is told that if they ever get locked out of their safe that they’ll need to furnish proof of identity before being Liberty will help get them back into it, how did they think this was going to work?
That said, when I buy a safe, I bought the ENTIRE safe which includes the carpet inside, the shelves, the lock, AND everything to do with that lock including ALL the combinations.
If the company had listed that they or the government wanted to cover 25% of the cost because they wanted to also own access to the safe in perpetuity, then I’d have nobody to blame but myself.
Then there’s the issue of all the donations they made to anti 2A politicians…
Seriously, has this been documented as a fact?
@@waltonwarrior7428 At this point, it might as well be. Liberty's DOA after giving out an access code.
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@@waltonwarrior7428it is confirmed. Langleyoutdoorsacademy has a great video that details who they have donated too
The one thing I am sure of is that my next safe will DEFINITELY NOT be a "liberty" safe.
Why? are you aware of all the changes Liberty announced on Wednesday evening?
Can we please get Kid Rock to blow out up?
@@bubbajones4522with tannerite? Yes.
Why not just change the lock?
I emailed liberty thanking them for helping me narrow down my choices for purchasing a safe by eliminating their brand from contention due to this incident.
Awesome
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I have Liberty safe... will NOT purchase another. I was "ducced"
@markphillips898 nope lol
Their big mistake was thinking they would be in business after this...
They will be. Guarantee in 3 months No one will care
People boycotted S&W for a whole 5 minutes. They still make Hillary Hole Firearms too. Nothing really changed but a little shuffling around of shareholders and management. It's the same old Fudd company it has always been.
They will be
@@DaveL9170 Yep, or they would rebrand the business in the darkness and keep it as hush hush as possible.
Can't wait to go to the next SHOT show and see the Liberty Safe booth.
Nobody expected Liberty to go to jail for their customers. But EVERYONE expected better than we got. Liberty will NEVER recover from this. And I will do my part.
Bud-Lite 2.0... they're reasoning wasn't an apology... it was a sidestep of the issues...
Every Safe manufacturer would give out the combinations if asked by FLEO'S. We did it all the time, but many juries don't agree with the practice of asking n given combinations to convict someone. So it isn't very popular to do so, as the judges will routinely throw the retrieved items as unlawful concent n dismiss it as evidence. 😢
Liberty was in a no win situation. Would the reaction be any less if they gave the access code after being served with a subpoena? Yea, it would have delayed the FBI getting into the safe for an hour or 2 at most. I think most of the outrage is over the fact that Liberty had these secret factory access code in all of their safes.
sure it will just like budweiser. 30 days right
Liberty was not served with a warrant. They willingly gave the feds the combo
1. No warrant given TO liberty safe.
2. Liberty safe has NO AUTHORITY to give access to a safe that belongs to another person. The codes do not belong to liberty safe.
“Warrant”
@@daytonagreg8765 Yes, it's spelled warrant
Lawsuit!
@@daytonagreg8765 You clearly don't understand the limits of the warrant. A warrant was not served to Liberty, therefore they were under no obligation to provide the code. This is clearly not the first time the FBI has done this. They had them on speed dial, I would bet on it.
It's called a subpoena
At the end of the day the safes were not as safe as they claimed, we have witnessed a corporate Harakiri. Excellent video as always.
I NEVER thought I would say this: "Thank God I did not buy Liberty Safe."
Me too
I wish I did not... 😢😔😪
Keep up the good work,sir! Educating people is ALWAYS a good thing!
The safe was sold and no longer belonged to liberty. They had no right to provide entry to the safe.
I would not knowingly buy anything that has a back door.
Your house?
So many people say that but then when a personal situation arises that they themselves need that "backdoor" they are quick to talk sh!t about the company and that they spent so much money on the companies product and now they cant use it, etc... I've seen it countless times.
Do you own a cell phone?
So, you actually typed that👆on a typewriter??🤣
The device your using has one
I was very happy to see that you were presenting your take on this topic. Thanks as always.
One thing is for sure, Liberty Safes has taken a huge hit. The 2A community is not likely to forget or forgive.
If a Liberty Safe customer lives someplace that has safe storage laws, can they ever be in compliance with those laws, since they are not truly in control of all means of access to the safe? It's a stretch, I know.
What are the other safe companies doing now?
I personally changed the lock on my safe to a hybrid style with both an electronic and mechanical dial. I did it more as a failsafe and EMP protection. That breaks the trail of the safe manufacturer to my combination.
Great video, I go directly to your channel anytime a topic is coming down the pipes in the firearms world. That way I know the information I am receiving will be accurate, and not over exaggerated like these other channels. I also appreciate you not using catchy, inaccurate titles to gain views.
I can't imagine that this has never happened to Liberty or any other safe company before. Liberty has probably been through this scores of times.
It's happened enoughr they have a policy for it. And if you know anything about corporate America you know that speaks volumes about how often it's happened.
Clearly it has happened enough times that Liberty generated an SOP for it. Glad I don't have one of their safes. Them things ain't cheap!
Liberty made a post that they have responded to over 4000 of these types of requests.
@@AnAZPatriot that 4,000 number was for customer calls for lockouts,. Not alphabet agency requests.
@@billmullins6833 But they are worthless.
The best breakdown I’ve heard on this situation so far.
Thank You
I’m curious how many people bothered to read the fine print on things they purchased?
What appears to have happened was the FBI arrested the suspect and had a warrant to search his home. Upon finding a Liberty Safe in the home contacted the company, stated they are the FBI, and asked for the code to unlock it then and there. Had they actually served Liberty Safe with a subpoena for the code (not the warrant for the property, the warrant to Liberty for the code itself) the process would've taken days because those have to be served in person...instead it took minutes.
In which case LE would simply have destroyed the safe getting it open
Great marketing opportunity for any safe company that ACTUALLY PROTECTS their customers. The "Tyranny" Safe Company does not. With regard to your format, sure, I like it. It's nice to hear a competent attorney speak to the matters you address. Keep it coming! :)
The question is: is there a safe company that would have reacted differently?
What I would’ve done, had I’ve been Liberty Safe is, I would’ve told the FBI to send the warrant that says I must turn over the information. Only then would I have given them the passcode.
Correct. Not a copy of a search warrant for the property of XXX. But rather a warrant signed by a Judge to liberty safe for the combination to safe serial # xyz.. I might have 2 and they may not be on the same property so if they didn't get a warrant for the other property they do not have authority to receive that combination..
So are you really that upset that Liberty gave the FBI the code an hour or 2 earlier than necessary? To me, I'm more concerned that they have a secret factory access code for every safe.
@@andrewschliewe6392 that is concerning, but I always figured they along with every other manufacturer would. I mean they put in over ride codes in things. So at the very least with the fact that in this case we're talking about something where you're guarantee is that my property will be secure. The least you could do if you do have any type of override would be to require a warrant to assist.
However I would be more interested in how to change the combination of key. Then they don't know because it was changed... Unless they have a master key/override
Tom, you're awesome! Please continue keeping us informed with your experinced insight. Many thanks again.
Thank you Liberty for assisting me in choosing a safe. Liberty was my #1 choice bit that has changed. I’d rather select a company that values the privacy and security of its customers. Thanks again! Just saved me a few bucks and making a horrible decision.
How? if that safe company has an access code to help customers that can't get into their safe, they will be giving up the access code just like Liberty.
You are the very type of sheep the government loves.
@@andrewschliewe6392 Thank you, I have said the same thing as all of them that sell electronic lock safes have a master code and all of them have at one time or another given said code to law enforcement.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869 Well with Liberty it is not a master code. Each safe has a unique factory passcode. That's why the factory passcodes are like 9 digit codes
@@andrewschliewe6392 The core issue is Liberty providing the master code to an entity that did not compel by court order. Doing a bit of research indicates donations to some of the biggest anti 2A politicians. So it’s no wonder Liberty betrayed its customers.
Excellent breakdown sir. I have a safe but not Liberty; not now not ever.
Of note.. they gave up the confidential info before the homeowner got home
You have a great way with words. Your comments on lawyers spines and strength of steel for safes was epic
The simple fact that they have a database of those codes is enough for me to never purchase one of them.
Most, if not all safe companies do, they just never expected people to read the fine print that comes with the safes, that tells you that, looks like most people didn’t.
Apparently, you haven't been keeping up with the news. On Wednesday night, Liberty announced that owners can opt out of Liberty retaining that factory access code for their safe. However, then Liberty won't be able to help you get into your safe if something happens and you can't get into your safe.
All the safe companies have a back door master code for their electronic locks, Fort Knox, American Security, Cannon and the rest, open your eyes.
It’s not the data base as other companies do the same
It’s how they gave the information to the police
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869. Which is why I bought a safe with a manual dial and the ability to self change the combination
The last time I used a digital lock safe was in a hotel in Belgium, where I mis-set the code, and the kid at the desk was promptly able to let me in with the hotel code. The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions, and I suspect that Liberty keeps those codes primarily for geezers like me who probably comprise most of their customer base. Great video as always Tom. I don't own one of their safes but I imagine they are good.
If the warrant wasn't for the code then they had no right to give it.
The warrant apparently was to search the house and it's contents. The FBI had the authority to search the safe. Getting the code just made it easier. It would appear Liberty did not have to provide the code based on the warrant to search the house. Without the code the FBI would have used destructive means to access the contents.
but then the FBI would have gotten a judge to issue a subpoena for Liberty to give the FBI the code, all of which would have taken less than 2 hours. No matter what, Liberty was going to give the FBI the access code.
@@andrewschliewe6392 There is no guarantee that a judge would sign that.
@@brandexample1776 Please, any judge is going to sign it. The only way they wouldn't is if the original warrant didn't include locked devices. However, they are included in the boilerplate templates for residential and office search warrants.
@@andrewschliewe6392 dumbest comment I've read today. Even if you're 100% right, they obviously should've made the FBI go through the process rather than just folding and giving the information. idk if you're just dense or a boot licker, but something seems wrong.
Did a Great job in discussing and explaining this situation. I actually followed it,,, and enjoyed the complexity and analysis. 🤯
I highly recommend Deviant Ollam’s video on this topic, he is a professional pen tester, security geek, and 2A advocate.
I know tons of programmers who are big 2A advocates here in Silicon Valley, we tend to not trust the government, Big Tech, or any other powerful organizations.
He's also a bleeding heart LIBERAL who NEVER misses a chance to bash the right.
Yes, like the live discussion. Please continue.
Tom, Love your videos and their content. You are to the point and exact in specifying what we as concerned citizens should know and learn more about. Please keep producing these videos and content. I am always happy to see a notification that you have released new content for the process of gathering information that helps me to grow in knowledge to protect my rights !!!!
Anyone who purchased a safe from Liberty was probably told this by install if they had it installed, I was... So it should not be a shocker that they have a access code if you lock yourself out. Now giving that to the feds is another story...
Hope my winnchester isnt like liberty
Best and most careful analysis I have seen on this topic.
Great quote also
Thank you Tom!
Excuse me for a. familiar reference.
As a consumer, I’m definitely not pleased with Liberty Safe’s’ decision.
What is currently troubling me is the information Langley Outdoor Academy shared today regarding Library Safe’s political donations to anti 2a democrats running for office recently.
It isn't Liberty Safe's donations. the donations were from the company that owns Liberty Safe.
@@andrewschliewe6392 in the end, it’s basically the same thing when you get right down to it. Liberty safe’s profits clearly funnel upwards.
AB owns Bud Light… AB is the one subject to the boycott for actions of a subsidiary. Just a reversal here.
Langley Outdoors spews a lot of BS as do the other gun channels, they are always putting up click bait titles claiming things that are not true. Langley Outdoors is not a reliable source for information, further I am not he brother and my wife is not his sister so he really needs to know that opening statement off.
Same thing!! 🤷🏻♂️🙄
Yep... same thing
Of course we want to see more like this one!!!! As always, this was a great briefing, Sir!!!! Thank you so much for the education!!!!!
I don’t think Liberty is gonna have to worry about anything in the future because I think they’re done being a safe company unless they go bankrupt and rename it repackage it and come back in the cover of darkness
Why? they were gonna have to give the FBI the access code anyway. And now, Liberty has announced that if one doesn't want Liberty to retain that factory access code, they will remove it from their records. So going forward, this won't be an issue unless you didn't tell Liberty to delete the code from their records.
@@andrewschliewe6392 Their reputation is SEVERELY damaged. They may not recover, Bud light did not.
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They didn’t have to give them shit
The warrant wasn’t for them
And besides they have been donating against their customers piss on them , you better look for a different job
@@andrewschliewe6392lol again you obviously have 0 clue how these digital devices work even if they have said they got rid of YOUR SAFE CODE there is ALWAYS A BACKDOOR CODE for the each kind of digital electronics on theses safes and I'm sure it's for that reason the company does it that way for law enforcement and stupid owners the some how forget the pass
Great segment , I will assume at my own peril that access codes at liberty are assigned by serial number and filed supposedly as a courtesy to their customers . Therefore the only way to protect yourself would be to go so far as buying the safe under an assumed name and after copying the serial number to a secure location , Destroying all identifying numbers on the safe so hopefully your contents will be secure from prying eyes .Keep up the good work Tom.
Thank you for spelling this out, I immediately thought about how Apple handles my privacy, you’d think a safe company would figure this out. I’m actually looking for a safe now, I’ll never purchase a liberty safe.
If Apple is paying attention to this situation they will hopefully branch out into smart safes.
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omfg well played! (pretending to believe that apple is "safe"). that is 5d chess.
Thank you Tom! Great work as always!
And that is why I have always owned an iPhone, keep the software up to date and pay attention to the security settings. Apple also told the FBI to pound sand over their request for modified OS software to hack that iPhone. I salute you Tim Cook.
Only reason that case was dropped was the FBI was able to crack the encryption and the phone without Apple's assistance. So your iPhone is NOT secure from law enforcement.
LOL, I needed that laugh, if you think Apple has never accessed a phone for law enforcement you are not very bright. Apple has back door access and Apple has many occasions assisted law enforcement getting data from a phone. They made a big deal out of one phone and you people think they have your back, what a joke.
Hi Tom,
My wife and I have enjoyed watching your video's. Keep on posting. You are clear and articulate. The information is easy to understand and along with this video, we enjoy many of the other topics that you cover. Stay healthy, and God bless. Stu
Thanks Tom, I always enjoy hearing your professional take on these issues. Liberty safe is suppose to be selling security and that is not what they provided. And sadly they have known that they have not been doing this for quit some time. They need to pay the a high price for their actions, not only as a punitive measure, but also as a strong warning to others who may have or may choose to go down this same path. As a side note, it use to be a positive value to support law enforcement, but now that the Federal agencies have been weaponized and they are acting like storm troopers trampling the Constitution with a 2 tiered justice system, this no longer applies universally.
We love you Tom G.!
One big question I have is this. Does the code that was given to the FBI unlock ALL Liberty safes, or only the one in question, and is that code retained for all future use?
Thank you for informing Liberty Safe customers of this. I, certainly, hope that MY safe manufacturer is of a higher caliber.
Me as Liberty- There are no override codes FBI agent sir. But please be sure to let us know what all you had to do to get into it for our R&D purposes.
Liberty in an alternative universe where they live up to the name. But as soon as I heard Connecticut based i knew it was a sellout
Definitely interested to see more!
A Safe is just an iron box. The part that makes it secure is the lock, which can potentially be replaced. I have no doubt that even if Liberty "shreds" your backed-up combination, that they still have non-destructive methods of opening the box. Some bright after-market company needs to start producing after-market, secure, locks. Oh yeah, and thermite packs large enough to slag the safe down if someone tries to carry it away.
SCARY! Purge the Records and ask for Forgiveness. Be ready for bankruptcy.
I believe the search warrant was to search his property not specifically the gun safe. The gun safe was in his home.
Excellent analysis and point of view.
Specificity on a search warrant is key. Especially if it's an individual citizen and not a warrant for "the" corporation. If they (Liberty) choose to impose their policies instead of constitutional rights, FAFO!
Very well-versed, I appreciate your message and understanding.
If I were in "Liberty's" position, I would advised law enforcement that we would be glad to honor any warrant that binds the company to provide the code to access the space they expect to find evidence in (and as a former cop, I don't even know how that would be structured or if it would be legal, or if a judge would even sign it, as I feel the legal onus is on the homeowner to allow access) or any subpoena issued to provide the information. Then I would have them deliver a certified true copy to our legal department for review.
Or better yet, do like Apple did (which is about the only think I personally can say is any good about them but that's irrelevant), absolve yourself (Company) by not retaining records that could be obtained. Like Tom said, "you can't give what you don't have". Unless there is a law that obligates them to retain anything that could or would be related to personal privacy, the most ethical thing to do is move yourself from the situation right from the start but not retaining anything that could be sought be anyone.
They legally should have gotten a subpoena (for Liberty), but instead went for an addendum to the warrant (on the individual's property). The phoned in addendum didn't mean squat (to Liberty), because it in no way forced Liberty to hand over confidential information-the warrant was still on the person in custody and the added property in question....(they basically would have had to seize & destroy the whole safe opening it).
I wonder who the smarty pants at the FBI was that KNEW they had a back door code...and it's obvious they've done it before - this time they just got caught.
As for a judge signing it, all they had to say was it was for J6th and it was a green-lit rubber stamp. But yeh, Liberty bad, they were too willing to fold on their customer.
A real 'Bad Faith' moment.
@@firstjohn3123agreed. They were going to be my go-to when I decide to upgrade my safe. No frikkin way now.
@@CJ-ty8svThe are doing that now, SORT OF. They are giving customers the option of having them delete the information for that individual customer. Shutting the barn door after the horses escaped, if you ask me.
But will,they delete
I wonder what problems that would be for non-disclosure agreements on some sort of thought invention that happened to be in that safe things like that crap could be done there because usually when you do non-disclosure nobody but the people on the non-disclosure allowed to see such items or becomes invalid
Thanks for covering this, so much to unpack. You were timely to get lots of info rounded up...I still like the value to price for their safes...
They is no value it appears.
The price (apparently) is your "liberty"
How about them donating to the gun grabbers ?????
Great video. Thanks Tom!
Well I know to never buy a Libery safe.
Your content format is really engaging. I find your videos enjoyable and informative. Thank you for the time you put into this channel.
No matter what, RIP Liberty !
Love to see the affidavit for search, as to the specific places, persons and things to be searched for and seized. Federal warrants are frequently packs of perjurious lies, as is the BATFE affidavit for search at Waco on the Branch Davidians. I read that one, and it's bogus.
Put the traitors out of business!
Oh man I have been waiting to get your take! Thanks!
I would tell them to get a warrant that specifically allows them into the safe.
That's not what the subpoena for Liberty is for. It's for the access code. What you are stating would have been on the original search warrant.
@andrewschliewe6392 Where's you proof that it was in the original search warrant? If it was Liberty Safe would have said that they had a warrant for the safe. I forgot to put this in on my previous post. Not only do I want to see a warrant for the safe, specifically I would ask to see the warrant for the pass code to get into the safe. If they didn't have that, I'd tell them to go pack sand.
I believe that warrant was illegal because it was too broad. The judge that signed off on that warrant, the agent that filed the application for it, and the agents that carried it out needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars for their blatant violation of people's Constitutional Rights.
@@kiptonsheekjr.5371 Please, search warrants by nature are broad in scope. The search warrant for the individual's home has standard verbage that includes the contents of any locked object on the premise. It would not have specifically called out a Liberty safe. And no one's constitutional rights were violated. You need to get of your high horse. Sure Liberty could have, in your words, pack sand. But that might trigger the FBI to investigate Liberty Safe. And getting the subpoena for Liberty safe to disclose the factory passcode would have been a formality. There is no scenario where Liberty does not give the FBI the passcode.
@andrewschliewe6392 (There's is no scenario where Liberty Safe does not give the FBI the pass code.) That’s a flat-out lie and proves that you love tyranny of a police state. The scenario is they don't have a warrant, they don't get the pass code. Yes, for the pass code, the warrant has to be specific to that Liberty Safe. They have been abusing the warrants for a long time now, and it needs to stop before we lose our great Constitutional Republic. Nowadays, probable cause doesn't mean anything. Probable cause for a search warrant used to be a substantial bar to meet before obtaining a warrant. Now it seems judges rubber stamp any application for a warrant that comes across their desk. Cops or agents are bared from going on a fishing expedition by the Constitution. Which these broad and open-ended warrants allows police and federal agents to do. You wholeheartedly accept this abuse of power and support a police state.
On WA Gun Law I said they should have a tagline of “Your safe is not safe with us.”
Curious about the warrant. Was law enforcement looking for items that were to big to fit in the safe? What if the warrant specified "stolen pianos" and the safe contained crack cocaine? Either way, Liberty Safes is going to go the way of Bud Light.
Very interesting analysis, thanks for posting
Unless fed boys have a warrant specifically covering that safe (i.e. the warrant specifically defines the specific places to be searched and the specific items being seized as the 4th amendment requires) I would tell them to go pound sand, any good will these people may have had is long gone at this point.
That's all boilerplate template stuff for a search warrant of a home or office. To suggest that the search warrant didn't cover the safe is ludicrous.
Great content and coverage - Always insightful and balanced
Great analysis...... looking forward to see how all this unfolds. However, I for one will never own a Liberty Safe after this.
I’LL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH THEM NOW.
A couple of thoughts.
1. I was always under the impression that nobody is ever under a legal obligation to make a warrant search easier. If your car is locked and you refuse to unlock it, they would have to break out a window. If your home was locked, they’d have to kick in the door. Silly me, I just assumed if you wouldn’t unlock a safe they’d have to pick, saw, torch, or drill the safe open.
2. Why couldn’t Liberty Safe just print out a complete list of every possible “unlock code” in existence but not collate them with names or serial numbers and then tell them “we guarantee it IS one of these numbers”. Again, nothing in the warrant says you have to make it easy for them.
You are not the brightest bulb in the pack, sure you can refuse to open the safe, they will just call a lock smith to drill it and you just lost your safe and will have to replace it on your dime so what did you think you accomplished. Get a life.
Great video! Thank you for taking the time.
Wow!! Loyalty is not in their company policies. Stab your customers in the back. Great job!! I hope the guy can get his stuff back.
I don't think so Civil Asset Forfeiture
In other words theft.
Love your stuff. Love how thorough you are. Keep up the great work
When you realize who owns liberty safe, not surprising
I like this format, and I like the level and the direct nature of the analysis. The only regret is that you left off the topic of these safes having an override code that the customer was never made aware of. This is the sin that Liberty should suffer the most from.
Follow the money and look at who they support with their political contributions.
Yes, this format is great!! And, you listen to us and create more content accordingly!!
I guess some company had to volunteer to be the next Bud Light. Congratulations Liberty Safe, sorry stock holders. It’s going to hurt!
Would have been priceless if they opened the safe and it was full of Bud Light 😂
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Them donating to the democrap gun grabbers is enough for me to day good by !!!!
A suggestion from another safe manufacturer was to remove the serial tag from the safe. One may or may not retain it at a trusted location thereafter.
I was a Narc for a few decades, and served thousands of search warrants. When the dopers had a gun safe, I would give them a chance to give the combo and spare the destruction of the safe. If they declined, destruction of the safe would follow. Usually we would call our safe locksmith, who would drill it, and set the tumblers. Almost always, we would seize dope, money and guns. And a few extra hours of overtime.
TY for sharing this. I still can't believe what is going on in the USA today. I.never would have guessed it that's a fact. Stay Safe Out There.
Thank you for your insight into this frighteningly strange scenario. Just give me death since Liberty has already sold me out.
Excellent format- maybe add some visual interests like screenshots, video clips, etc. At some point would love to see you interview guests.
My question is, how did the FBI know he had a liberty safe?
When they arrived at his house and found a safe there then preceded to contact Liberty safe company and got the access code. Nothing was known prior to searching from what I have seen.
Well then obviously the warranty did not include the safe ...therefore "Liberty" (tyranny) safes FAILED BIG
@@jimccc9467liberty turned over the codes before the search warrant was executed
@@jimccc9467 100% an agent found that safe, pulled out his cell phone, googled Liberty Safe contact number, then told them they were the FBI and to give up the code. Imagine just giving up information over the phone to everyone who says they are the FBI.
The name on the door. Some people really
If Liberty doesn’t reach back out to you and give us a really good explanation, I’m going to need follow up info on alternate quality safes’ shrink wrapped contracts and previous behavioral precedents in subpoena (or non-subpoena) situations.
They are devoted to protecting our 2A right. They helped to finance Arizona Democrat Kelly’s senate run. Actions speak louder than words.
Amen and RIP Liberty.
Tom, thanks for the post. Most of my safes are Prosteel nealy 20 years old. The same principles apply.
They rather opened themselves up for litigation, unless Liberty is served with warrant or subpoena naming Liberty to provide any information.
Saw you at the USCCA expo on Saturday, but missed speaking with you. Will look for you on Sunday before I fly home.
Tom... Do you really think the end result would be any different? Law Enforcement is going to gain access to that safe if they have a Search Warrant, via a locksmith or a cutting device. Are we going to punish an American Company for a poor decision, that they seem to have realized? Should we expect them to fight the Courts after selling us a safe and making a few hundred dollars?
the problem is this isnt the first time they have voluntarily given access to someone elses property with out the owners permission just based off of their own releasesthey have done this 4000 times, but only because this went viral did they suddenly offer the ability to remove that information from thier records.
Great insight and absolutely amazing MA quote
An angle I've heard nobody cover: If the FBI wants to get into your safe, no matter who made it, it gets a warrant to that effect and does whatever it has to do to get into your safe. So you're left with a destroyed safe, and they get what they want. Or they enter the code, leave your safe undamaged, and get what they want. They're going to get into your safe if they have a warrant; it does not matter if they get the combo from you, the safe maker, or from nobody. If they get a warrant, they're getting in.
should be the owner's decision on entry being destructive or non-destructive, if the warrant actually covered the safe contents, not the decision of the manufacturer
@@1DwtEaUn It still is. If the FBI shows up with a warrant to get inside your safe, you decide whether to open it or not. If it's me, I would probably open it, let them find nothing incriminating, and get on with life. The bottom line is simple: don't make yourself interesting to the Feds.
Thank you for explaining the legal terms.
Seems like Liberty was protecting the safe. A safe is far easier to break into than an iPhone. Sure you can destroy phone easily, but then data is lost. Even best safes are fairly easily cut open. I’m kind of amazed FBI was kind enough to get combo so as to avoid destroying the safe.
Cause this isn't the first time the FBI has done this, they knew they'd get the code.
A few years ago I was looking for a safe and leaning toward Liberty until I read "If you change your combination your warranty is void." So I bought a Sturdy Safe. Along with the safe I received the key needed to change the combination and instructions on how to do it. Sturdy Safes is the best, in my opinion.
Bet there's going to be a lot of cheap Liberty gun safes for sale. And regarding new sales, this will be Bud Light 2.0 unless they do something miraculous.
It doesnt cost that much to swap the locks out on these safes. They are all made to fit into a standardized footprint inside all the companies' safes. I don't even think Liberty makes their locks -specialized manufacturers do this and safe companies like Liberty buy them wholesale to build into their safes.
@@svbarryduckworth628 Wouldn't that actually make it worse as, if true, then they gave the master code away to numerous manufacturers' safes.
@@michaelinsc9724 that depends on if they come with a custom program from the lock manufacturer for Liberty, or if the code is hashed to the serial number on each particular circuit board in the EPROM chip which is then connected to the serial number of the safe in Liberty's company records.
There is still a lot we don't know how these passcodes are built into these electronic locks. They never shared this info with their customers which is a big part of the problem.
@@michaelinsc9724 Back door master codes are maintained according to serial numbers on the back side of the locks. They are easily removed stickers; no serial number makes it very difficult to obtain the back door code.