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Tom thank you for what you do!! I have a question where can I find this information for Texas? How do I find the law or penal code/ordinance. Thank you in advance.
I once was given permission to be have my pew pews in a hospital. The hospital was administering anesthesia to someone who I was going to drive home but I was waiting outside because I was open carrying 2 pew pews, one on each hip, but the hospital told my friend that I had to be inside so they could witness that he actually has a driver and so they can hand him off to me. He informed them that I was carrying and that I would never for any reason be made to stop, and after some deliberation they decided that I should just be allowed in with my pew pews. At first they wanted me standing in the hall but my friend said would just draw attention to me so he suggested that I just be allowed to walk in and sit down normally to which they all agreed. No one ever even noticed I was carrying and the world didn’t end, the way you have to type on this site in annoying.
I was actually in the second situation. I was attacked by a dog, and I was carrying, and when they took me to the hospital in the ambulance, when I got there, one of the security guys disarmed me. I did get it back afterwards.
I was actually in the second situation. I was attacked by a dog, and I was carrying, and when they took me to the hospital in the ambulance, when I got there, one of the security guys disarmed me. I did get it back afterwards.
I was in a situation like this a few years ago in Arizona. I was picked up by the ambulance at home, and I was having a stroke. I remember trying to tell the paramedics that I had a firearm on me, but by that point, I was speaking jiberish. Made it all the way to the E.R. and when they stripped me of my clothes (thankfully, before going to get an MRI), the firearm fell to the floor. Everybody was cool except one med tech. The ER doctor made the irrational med tech leave, called a security guard to collect the firearm, stored the firearm in a safe until I was discharged, and reminded me to stop by security to pick up my firearm when I was discharged. You would think it would be that simple everywhere.
no... I would NOT think it would be that way everywhere. Assume the worst and you may be charged with carrying a weapon of some sort in a hospital. And you may need a lawyer paid to get back a weapon you had and it is less trouble to allow it to be destroyed and go buy another one...
I was in an accident while carrying. Had a pistol 8n my brief case. Just before being transported to the hospital, I informed the Highway Patrol Trooper. He put the briefcase in the trunk of the car so I could retrieve it once I was released by the ER.
I was "arrested" once (I was going 150+ mph on my way to town). Trooper nailed me, I had 2 hunting rifles in the back seat of my car, he locked them in the trunk of my car. No problem.... (They were waiting when I was released from jail a few hours later). Common sense, amazing.
Great breakdown. I lived this with a GSW. In late 2022 I was in this situation after being shot in a random attack out for a walk with my GF (carrying as well) Randomly we cross paths with a guy with a small frame semiautomatic at his side and didn't know why as he passed us but from training her and I headed to the closest cover ASAP. Thinking he was targeting someone. Turns out it was us. He unloaded 9 rounds at us as we ran for cover. Last one went through my thigh. Local patrol heard the mag dump and called it in. He finds us tucked behind cover (she had just holstered while I TQ'd and as she was dialing 911 I go to draw. 2 seconds later the squad pulls up to our wave down. We both have concealed at this point and jump in the back knowing "scoop and run" policies of Philly) From 1st call out over the radio to trauma bay was 8 mins which is wildly fast anywhere. We were very lucky she wasn't hit and patrol was 180 yards away (we measured all these things trying to piece everything together) We were rushed to the ED in the back of a patrol car with my own TQ already applied. I was giving description and stating I may still have an active bleed (blood pooled in thermals, TQ worked) Immediately upon getting in the trauma bay doors I was being stripped and start lines on both arms. Full trauma assessment is being done as layers are being cut off. I carry 3 o'clock and until i was in nothing but the waistline of my pants, my belt and the TQ did the doc ask could i remove my belt. I said yes, I have a pistol on my 3 o'clock position of my belt, i can remove it on the holster. In an instant a nurse yells for security and my transporting cop. I calmly said would you like to remove it or should I? Cop looked at the doc and said he can take it off and hand it to me. Sights Immediately turn to my GF whose covered in my blood. She was asked was she also carrying. They asked her to remove hers to secure them both until detectives arrive being its a GSW situation. Having a thick belt was the only reason this wasn't just cut off. I'm still shocked in Philly that they didn't do a weapons sweep for a GSW arrival and no one saw a G19 w/ WML on my belt. The guy in the bay next to me was slashed up and prepping for surgery so maybe distracted but bad for the staff had i been a bad guy looking for a problem. Now fast-forward and detectives arrive and this is where statements were taken discussion of "holding for evidence" both firearms that never fired a shot. I'm completely in the buff, TQ removed and in a ton of pain while asking the detectives to not confiscate them since they weren't used. They checked them thoroughly, did a round count on both mags of mine and hers. We confirmed those counts and they agreed they weren't fired. They took serials and cleared them to give to security for check of the firearms, knives, flashlight and other things like my EMS ID, LTCF, License and other cards. This was shockingly easy on my end. Now leaving the hospital. A day and change in observation to watch for femoral artery rupture from shockwave/temporary wound channel damage. Her and I leave and I rolled to security who asked a few questions like who checked it and whatever. Then they laugh and say "oh you're the one who got randomly shot? Yeah we got both of your guns" I'm thinking okay, our situation made security laugh how insane it was. (Detectives and Patrol on the call as well) Security asked us to move from view of the vistors entrance to holster and chamber rounds. Asked a few questions vaguely about what getting shot feels like. I assume seeing the EMS ID and making jokes they figured they could ask. Super cool and no issues. We rolled/walked out and got a ride home. One Detective asked that we not sell or change the pistols just in case their bosses wanted them taken. Other detectives said to us, we are fine. If they were evidence, they should be taken. They aren't. Do what you want, but "I would recommend carrying if you go out" Those words hit differently when you have a thru and thru of the one round of 9 that hit you. Still carry the same setup and style belt today. I will comment in another box for my perspective on this from working in TacMed training and active threat response training for EMS and trauma bay. Simple but effective ways to search while doing an assessment. Thanks for reading if you made it through this long account of hospital, carry and even worse being shot going into the hospital armed. I apologize for the book. Kind of venting it as well
@@ron8566 Thanks for reading it. Over 18 months and court prep, I've told that story countless times. Court is finally over so I can discuss it. Training definitely saved our lives.
TQ, GSW, GF, ED, WML, EMS, ID, LTCF. Who are you trying to impress by throwing all of this nonsense around? 99% of normal people have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
I was in a terrible roll over accident back at the turn of the century. I was the passenger and was carrying. I broke my neck and have been a quad ever since. I was helivaced off the scene and was unable to speak for a few weeks. ICU for two months then inpatient for another 4 months. I never heard of nor saw my firearm again. I’ve occasionally wondered where it ended up.
I'm sorry that you had to go through that and thoroughly disgusted that they just stole your firearm like that. It sounds like they bet on you having bigger problems to deal with at the time and may have difficulty following through in getting it back, and, like the government does every chance they get, took advantage of you and your situation to "get another gun off the streets". Your gun is probably sitting in some random officer's nightstand.
If I am conscious, I am begging the EMT or cop to hold the gun until my wife gets it. Last time I had a gun enter the system, it took 13 months to get Sacramento CA PD to release it. Every month I had to send them a registered letter declaring I had not abandoned the firearm and still wanted it back, while the CA DOJ took their sweet time reviewing my paperwork.
@Courageous_Lion property rights are always ambiguous. You have to fight to keep what you got and sometimes you're just outside of your weight class. I've got a glock 20 I wanted to lawyer up and get back, but was advised to just bide my time and get a replacement once everything was dismissed.
@Courageous_Lion that's great in principle, but civil asset forfeiture is a thing. Then it becomes a question of spending 2 grand on lawyers to get back a $700 firearm.
Our ambulances have lock boxes in them for pew pews . And then we just tell security and they come out and grab them . Nothing has happened to any of the patients I’ve ever transported that had a bang bang
@7thsignthenorthcoast146 knowing the cops that do security at the hospital, doesn't relate to what a prosecutor or cops outside the hospital might try to do. But it's all good Elmer fudd
I had a motorcycle wreck a few years ago, and the paramedics took my pistol out of the holster and gave it to the police. The problem came after I got out of the hospital, and the police informed me that I had 34 violent felonies in a state that I had never lived in, so they couldn't give it back. A few weeks later, things got squared away, and I got it back.
@Courageous_Lion it turned out someone had tried to steal my identity. The part that helped me was the fact that I had just received my concealed carry permit that showed I wasn't a felon. If I was a felon, my permit would have been denied.
I live in a Constitutional carry state out West.... everyone carries a firearm. Having an issue over one's firearm is probably zero.... UNLESS the firearm comes back stolen, or the carrier is a felon, or prohibited person Thank you, Tom. Appreciate this info.
A friend of mine was involved in a motorcycle accident. I was there with him. The deputy arrive prior to the ambulance. I informed the deputy that he did have a carry permit and also did I, and that I was going to take position of his firearm and make sure it got home safely.He wrote the report of the accident. Also the fact that only I was armed, which was kind of weird, but we straightened it all out and no charges were pressed my friend recovered and his firearm made it home safely.
I am a Los Angeles police reserve officer, but my full-time job is an a physician. I worked at a big private hospital in Los Angeles. The head of security is a former chief of police in the area. This is not an uncommon thing with someone bringing a firearm into the emergency room or finding one under the pillow in a patient’s room… getting it taken into possession of the hospital is not the problem but getting it back Frequently based on the administrators, concern of hospitals and guns, they want the police department to take possession of the gun and return the gun at the police station. If you’re lucky the hospital will take possession and will give it back to you. off campus.
@@bigmotter001 I'm in NY and regretting slowly buy 2 pistol my wife and I could not even touch until 18hr course . Get finger printed and meet a judge with 4 references. Then to hear NY tried to ban bulk ammunition sale 2 rounds in 120 days. We are in already 1k and if that past I could not go to an indoor target range with handful ammunition. Plus we have to pay 10 each time ammo is bought for a backround check? All this for two .22's ruger's..
I was a Security Manager for a hospital. Anytime we had someone come in with a concealed firearm on their person, I would clear it and take possession of it. The policy was to call the police regardless. But if I found a CCW in their personal effects, I would simply leave a receipt with their items detailing the pertinet details of the firearm in our safe. Then upon their discharge, I would give them back their concealed weapon which was zip tied, as they left out the door after discharge.
Good info. I am a police officer and lawyer in a Blue state. It’s a real issue even for cops since they always carry off duty and many ride motorcycles as well. I would say that for civilians lawfully carrying (CCW) the biggest hassle is that if the weapon is secured by LE the process for release can be painful. CA DoJ needs to issue a clearance letter before the PD will release and some jurisdictions require proof of ownership (this is a terrible policy for someone who has had the gun for many years or if it was a gift to them decades ago and has no receipt) It all comes down to the jurisdiction. For LE it is usually not an issue the local LE agency will hold the weapon and release it but even for LE in CA the CA DoJ needs to issue a clearance letter if the weapon is personal not a dept firearm.
I was arrested for missing court on a Marijuana possession ticket back in 08 and had a pistol in my car and didn't even have a ccw permit. They didn't charge me with anything related to the gun, and I went to the PD the next morning with my driver's license and got it back with no issues. Police in my hometown are really cool unless you do something really bad, or at least that has been my experience. It's kinda weird because we have a Democrat for a governor and don't have constitutional carry, but Police don't strictly enforce ccw laws, so I wouldn't consider us a blue state.
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I live in CT which a anti gun state, and I got into a horrible car accident and was carrying. The police officer who responded to the accident took it and said, "Come to the police department when you are discharged."
a lawyer may cost you too much to get a gun returned even if the police take and keep a gun safe and they still may charge you and you may need a lawyer for help. Consider letting the police destroy the gun after ' X ' days as their legal letter to you will likely state.
@@DougHinVA The presumption is that an individual responsible enough to conceal carry also goes to the range regularly, knows their limitations, practices concealing draw, is a law-abiding citizen, and is a considerate person who does so for righteous defense-purposes only. The goal being to never have an incident and avoid problems but to have a final chance to turn things around should there be no other choice. If someone wanted to quote statistics about physically-uncoordinated individuals who don't secure their tools or lack situational awareness, that'd be being untruthful with statistics which doesn't mean anything. And if someone chose to live in a dangerous country as an untrained, defenseless pacifist, then they can feel free to take on that risk themselves and hope it works out. It's a personal choice as to whether one believes legal self-defense is an ethical and/or moral imperative or not. If America were exactly the same as Japan or Australia, it'd be a different calculation.
I was involved in an accident in upstate New York in the late 80's. I had a shotgun and a pistol holster in my trunk. I was transported to the hospital via an ambulance, while in the hospital a state trooper came in and was interogating me as to the location of the pistol. I was stationed there in the military and checked before I moved in and found out I couldn't legally bring my pistol in to the state so it was at my father's house.
@LuxTheFolf yep, active duty military and I was forbidden from bringing personally owned pistols into the state. I will never live in a Blue state again....
@robertboudrie2234 Bs, there is no restrictions to bringing guns into different states do you wanna know why? Because that's unconstitutional and there for unenforceable :) Stop being a sheep :)
Excellent content I was in this situation unfortunately years ago. Pd & the hospital did an excellent job. My firearms & mags was placed in a bag and I was asked not to touch them until I'm cleared.
This kinda happened to a friend of mine in New Jersey. He got in an accident and was taken to the hospital unconscious. While still at the scene the officers did their little "inventory" of the vehicle and saw lock box. They proceeded to break open the lock box and found his Kimber 1911. He was jailed and sentenced to three years.
Had this kinda happen first hand. Lady pulled out in front of me doing 58 mph. Hit her head on , airbag turned me into a derp for a second or 2. A NYS trooper witnessed the accident and as i got out of the car my shirt was lifted showing my p365. He initially freaked out but i was able to show him my ccw permit. Ended up being a nice guy and let me sit in the front seat of the cruiser while we waited for ambulance and my wife to show up.
I work at a Hospital in a anti gun state. As long as the patient has a valid concealed carry license we take the weapon and put in a weapons safe until the patient is discharged. Then the patient retrieves from our security office. We also clear the weapon. If the patient doesn't have a ccw we inform our local law enforcement. Still haven't encountered that scenario yet
I went to see my father-in-law in a hospital in St. Louis, Missouri. The security guard at the entrance asked if I was armed. I said I was. He had me place my firearm in a small locker. They had about a dozen small locker in the wall behind the security desk. Easy peasy.
I had a grand mal seizure at home, I was carrying...when I woke up in the hospital they told me my pistol was in the guard's office..I picked it up the next morning..no problem...I even got a compliment for what I was carrying..The EMTs actually missed it and the nurses noticed it when I was wheeled into the ER..they called the guard.
Tom, I'm a four decade LEO and near the end of my career. I'm in Texas and strongly pro-gun region. This video is one of the more helpful and informative videos that everyone who carries should watch. Thank you for sharing this.
I was in a flip accident on the highway, miraculously unharmed, in June of 2014. Everybody on scene knew that when EMS showed up they need to be informed I was carrying. Unconscious, no idea until you said something!
Any law enforcement officer? That would arrest a person who is carrying lawfully after experiencing a medical emergency that requires treatment at a hospital is an absolute disgrace to his or her duty as a peace officer who is supposed to stand for the united states constitution. That peace officer can try to justify his or her actions all they want. But the reality is, at the end of the day, they made an innocent person, a criminal for simply getting hurt or sick. In my opinion, it's peace officers with that mentality that need to be completely erased from the industry of public service.
I had a stroke and went to the hospital. It was in my Cerebellum so I could still talk just fine, I was just couldn't see well or keep my balance. I forgot completely that I had my gun on me until I was in the ICU hours later. My wife was there visiting and I gave it to her and she stuck it in her purse. It is a Misdemeanor here to carry in the hospital because they have no-gun signs. She didn't tell any one, so she was able to take it out to here car and lock it in the safe.
I had this very scenario in my motorcycle accident in 2006. All I did was let the responding officer know, and asked him to secure the firearm. He simply told me to come and get it at the station when I was able. I showed my DL, and CCL, and he gave it back to me. Pennsylvania.
my father is an EMT and has been for a long time. he said about 40-60% of the people he pulls from vehicle accidents have guns. they are not allowed to touch them and the trooper has to handle & secure it. you get a letter telling you where to pick it up.
I've dealt with it a few times. Honestly, both the EMT's and/or hospital staff have been very cooperative. As long a you tell them up front, they'll usually have either security at a large hospital, or an officer at a smaller one, secure your firearm for you in the event that you don't have someone who can pick it up for you. As long as you're legal and straight forward about it (medical situation, of course, being a deciding factor) it really shouldn't be a big deal
@DougHinVA well, then it's gonna be a roll of the dice. The police are likely going to take possession. It sucks, but it's how it's gonna work. However, catching a charge over it is unlikely. You're breaking the law of you knowingly or intentionally bring a firearm into a hospital in many states. Coming in unconscious isn't knowingly or willingly bringing one in.
I can actually see California if I go up on the roof of my condo. I wear a red medical dog tag for my condition. It updated it when I moved to Nevada, and the long form information in my wallet. "Do not take to CA." I would rather expire on scene than go to California.
I was in an accident while carrying, and I broke my leg in the accident. The police got to me before the ambulance, and the officer asked if I had a firearm, and I informed him I was carrying on the same side as my broken leg. He then proceeds to jump on my broken leg yanking on my holster trying to get my firearm out. I'm screaming in pain telling him that he's hurting me, and he's like, "I have to get it sir." And I said ok, but not like that! He eventually got it, and luckily after that my wife was able to take possession for me.
As always, great video. I was lucky that when my vehicle was totaled and I was being loaded in the ambulance, my gun was in my bag. I just told the paramedic to please grab my bag. So I had everything and didn't have to mention what was in there. I definitely wasn't going to allow it to go to the tow yard. This is great information. I keep all my gun info in my contacts, in my phone. So I always have them.
Another thing to consider is, if someone is coming to pick up your firearm, like a family member, or friend, they need to make sure they are a concealed carry permit holder, otherwise they cannot handle the firearm legally.
I was involved in a car accident while CC. I had a huge reason to go to the ER. However, i was able to call my best friend and delay the ambulance long enough for him to arrive (less than 10 minutes) to take custody.
Oh hold the phone, you can almost bet that if the gun is better, more expensive or collectable than the one deputy dog has, you can rest assured it won't show up on any reports and you'll never see it again. Been there done that.
I was actually involved in a motorcycle accident on my way to work at 0630. This was almost 7 years ago now. Palm Beach Fire Rescue was getting ready to enter the road I was on from the right. They were running code, so I went to slow down to allow them to go through the red light, (I had a green light) when my rear tire slid from underneath me and my bike went down. I didn’t think about that fact that early in the morning and I was actually riding in the center of the lane where oil builds up and the roads were damp. So, my bike slides 150 feet, I slide like 100 feet. The Rescue unit detours to me to render assistance. They couldn’t take me since they already had a patient they were taking to the hospital. When I went down, my pistol flew out of my holster onto the street. One of the fire fighters picked it up, told me he found it. They picked my bike up and secured my pistol in the tour pack. One of them then road my bike to the firehouse like 100 feet further up the road and it stayed there until a family member got a hold of AAA to pick it up and return it to my home. I was taken to the hospital ER and while I was there a Deputy from PBSO showed up to question me about my pistol and if I had a CCW. I showed my CCW to him and he said that was all he needed and hoped I would heal soon. I got lucky in the sense that PBFD has some really cool and responsible first responders. While I didn’t bring my EDC with me to the ER, Fire Rescue had my back on this one.
We had a mentally deranged individual walking in a hospital with a gun and he got arrested. Can't say staff is all anti gun when it is illegal. I would not like it either .
True example I was following the hospital rules no firearms in the hospital waiting in the emergency waiting room when a large male psychopath decides he’s going to stab everyone people are freaking out and running everywhere there’s no security that can do anything totally useless the police finally arrive and several get slashed and one stabbed why they didn’t shoot this guy is beyond me then after being tased several times there able to subdue this creep and take him away luckily I wasn’t injured or any of my family but if I were shouldn’t I be able to sue the crap out of the hospital for not protecting anyone or not allowing you to protect yourself.
This happened in Boston and a shirnk was being stabbed. A bystander who was carrying terminated the assault. The hospital (Mass General) thanked the hero, but retains its not legally binding "no guns" policy. The shooter was a "housing cop" (NO police status or authority outside of "the projects" or when off duty), so the media spun the off duty cop angle.
I was a first responder with medical training. On occasion we would have to accompany the ambulance crew. I was often armed. Texas has hospitals are off limits however I heard that as a first responder treating a patient we were allowed to go in armed. Once the patient was transferred to ER staff I would have to leave the hospital immediately.
Very informative video. I had to be transported to the local hospital for a medical condition. I was able to remove my firearm & secure it at home before paramedics arrived. When I was in the ambulance, I saw they had a lockbox for firearms in the back of the ambulance. I live in a urban area. I wonder how many other ambulances in other cities have this feature.
I work security at a hospital that really does not care about the legal status of the patients when it comes to guns and drugs, we just cannot have it on the property. We have had several patients come in with guns and it’s no big deal. We take down the patients information and the gun information and secure the gun in the gun box and lock it in a safe. We have no reason to believe the patient is a criminal so we do not call the police. and police can not question about the patient without a warrant. Once the patient is cleared they bring us the receipt and sign the document and get the gun back.
Why do you treat guns the same as (presumably illicit) drugs? And if the hospital cannot have guns on the property, do they have a metal detector and security at the door?
I find it sad that we caint carry into a hospital that maybe has one to two guards that most likely would run from the fight because they don’t get paid nearly enough for the job. As a licensed concealed carrier I’ve been back ground checked as much as the security guard. I should be able to carry.
Thank you. I never even thought about that. It is time I find out who to talk to at my hospital. Not saying if anything happens that is where I'll be taken. Just for basic knowledge.
I did a year of kemo therapy and kept a gun in my luggage. Even when I went to the university for surgery they didn't have any complaints of me having a gun. I put it in my backpack and they locked it up till I got out of surgery and in my room.
I was in a wreck in 2016, my whole vehicle was looted before I got discharged and got access to the remains, including a couple weapons. They were robbing me while I was under the scalpel.
I open carry, so the gun is easy to find on me, but I'm in Idaho so it's no big deal. Hospitals most of the time in Idaho have no guns allowed signs, but no guns signs have no force of law in Idaho, so I carry.
I live in a very anti-firearm state, with super-restrictive laws. The thought of having a firearm on me while suffering a medical emergency, or even when getting stopped by police, almost makes me think “I’d be better off not carrying at all”. Thanks for the video, though it does little to allay my worries about this.
Working as a security guard in a hospital in downtown in Colorado Spring. S.O.P if a patient enters the hospital with a handgun, and has no place outside of the hospital to store it (i.e someone comes in Via Ambulance with a firearm on them) we would secure the firearm in the dispatch common. Inside of a firearm lock box, and then provide the patient with a receipt that they must present with a valid ID in order to retrieve their firearm once they are able to. ( we use standard Hospital patient ID stickers on all receipts and items secured with security)
I've always walked past the signs anywhere. It's concealed. Here it's the same as a sign on the door to a store. If you refuse to leave then it's a problem.
I witnessed a motorcycle accident I was the first one on scene guy was messed up but with it. When paremedics got there i noticed he was carrying on his hip. I asked him if he was legal to carry he said he was. I stopped paremedics from cutting his edc belt and removed the holster with the firearm in it and handed it to pd. I noticed these things and kept them from cutting his belt that the buckle could be removed as I carry everyday and would be pissed if they cut my $100 belt
Sorry but the legal system over complicating it. Every fire department medic and firefighter should be trained on how to remove a firearm and clear it. If the person is permitted to carry a firearm it should be removed, made safe and secured till a family member can take possession. If it's illegal for that family member to take possession in the hospital, there should be a secure area where it can be picked up. Put a zip tie through the barrel do what you have to. With more law-abiding people carrying a firearm it does not have to be a whole ordeal.
I was riding my motorcycle in an unincorporated area of my county in Missouri when topping a small hill, I saw a car pulling onto the highway I was on from the intersection of a side road. I an a permitted conceal carrier and I was armed with a pistol at the time. I was doing 50 mph at the time and from the crest of the hill to the intersection she had pulled out into was a measured distance of 110 feet. I hit the left rear quarter panel of her car. I remember lying on the hot blacktop highway groaning in great pain. I was somewhat aware that she was there near me and quite distraught. I remember the very bumping and painful ride in an ambulance on the way to the hospital. I had a broken right leg, 5 broken ribs, a torn right shoulder, a shattered right shoulder blade (scapula), extreme road rash with slime for skin. I remember being conscious in an emergency room when a deputy sheriff came in and announced that he had given my pistol and holster to my wife. I wasn't even aware that I had been carrying while I was lying there. I guess I might have been very fortunate in that regard. Fond memory, now.
Two recent visits to hospitals to visit family, I noticed they not only had restrictive signs but had a metal dedector so I had to go back to leave my firearm in the vehicle.
I found this out a few months after I was involved in a vehicle accident in September of last year. I did not go to the hospital because I had 2 firearms, 1 on my person, the other in my cat that was totaled ,and going to the tow lot! So I chose not to go to the hospital that day, because I knew firearms are not allowed on the premises! Had i told the Highway patrol I had firearms, they would have taken them from me, and may or may not have returned them to me. It turned out I had no serious injuries,and my guns are still in my possession. the moral of the story is... Had I have known there would have been no problem telling KHP I had guns, I could have gone to the hospital that day,and been told the same thing I was told the next day!!!!!
I was a fireman for 39 years. I had multiple situations where we would find a firearm on scene. There were multiple times when I unloaded, and broke down the gun and gave the patient the lower and told him he could pick up the rest of the parts at the fire station. If the person in procession had committed a crime, such as DUI, then we would just turn the gun over to PD on scene. It was always a judgement call.
What happens when the cops refuse to give a property list? Then actively destroy and or conversate all legal possessed fire arms and mags? As a passenger with a CCW in CA, on the way back from a range. It took over a year to get 2/3ds of my range bag back.. All ammo ,Knifes, some Mags are Gun case and paperwork for a collectable are all MIA..
How 'bout call your local Rescue Squad and a couple of private ambulance companies and ask what their protocol is BEFORE anything happens. In my area patients ARE NOT transported with firearms, they must be disarmed by LE at the scene.
Tom , when I moved to the little town I live in now I approached a LEO about this as I ride a bike also and the combination could put me in a hospital in either condition. Here it is not problem they (the hospital) will take possession/ control of the wea❤pon, upon release, I fill out a form and take posession again. I had t have a serries of tests done at this hospital and as I carry when I ride and don't have a "glove box to lock it up in security took possession, I did the tests, went back to them filled out the form, took posession, no issues, no hassles. Kenai Peninsula Alaska.
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I once was given permission to be have my pew pews in a hospital. The hospital was administering anesthesia to someone who I was going to drive home but I was waiting outside because I was open carrying 2 pew pews, one on each hip, but the hospital told my friend that I had to be inside so they could witness that he actually has a driver and so they can hand him off to me. He informed them that I was carrying and that I would never for any reason be made to stop, and after some deliberation they decided that I should just be allowed in with my pew pews. At first they wanted me standing in the hall but my friend said would just draw attention to me so he suggested that I just be allowed to walk in and sit down normally to which they all agreed. No one ever even noticed I was carrying and the world didn’t end, the way you have to type on this site in annoying.
I was actually in the second situation. I was attacked by a dog, and I was carrying, and when they took me to the hospital in the ambulance, when I got there, one of the security guys disarmed me. I did get it back afterwards.
I was actually in the second situation. I was attacked by a dog, and I was carrying, and when they took me to the hospital in the ambulance, when I got there, one of the security guys disarmed me. I did get it back afterwards.
I was in a situation like this a few years ago in Arizona. I was picked up by the ambulance at home, and I was having a stroke. I remember trying to tell the paramedics that I had a firearm on me, but by that point, I was speaking jiberish. Made it all the way to the E.R. and when they stripped me of my clothes (thankfully, before going to get an MRI), the firearm fell to the floor. Everybody was cool except one med tech. The ER doctor made the irrational med tech leave, called a security guard to collect the firearm, stored the firearm in a safe until I was discharged, and reminded me to stop by security to pick up my firearm when I was discharged. You would think it would be that simple everywhere.
You were in a place that the people had a BRAIN.
"You would think" you'd be wrong
no... I would NOT think it would be that way everywhere.
Assume the worst and you may be charged with carrying a weapon of some sort in a hospital. And you may need a lawyer paid to get back a weapon you had and it is less trouble to allow it to be destroyed and go buy another one...
The leftie nurse should be fired 😂
Before watching this I ran this in my head and this was how my story played out. It’s just commen sense
I was in an accident while carrying. Had a pistol 8n my brief case. Just before being transported to the hospital, I informed the Highway Patrol Trooper. He put the briefcase in the trunk of the car so I could retrieve it once I was released by the ER.
I was "arrested" once (I was going 150+ mph on my way to town). Trooper nailed me, I had 2 hunting rifles in the back seat of my car, he locked them in the trunk of my car. No problem.... (They were waiting when I was released from jail a few hours later). Common sense, amazing.
Great breakdown. I lived this with a GSW.
In late 2022 I was in this situation after being shot in a random attack out for a walk with my GF (carrying as well) Randomly we cross paths with a guy with a small frame semiautomatic at his side and didn't know why as he passed us but from training her and I headed to the closest cover ASAP. Thinking he was targeting someone. Turns out it was us. He unloaded 9 rounds at us as we ran for cover. Last one went through my thigh.
Local patrol heard the mag dump and called it in. He finds us tucked behind cover (she had just holstered while I TQ'd and as she was dialing 911 I go to draw. 2 seconds later the squad pulls up to our wave down. We both have concealed at this point and jump in the back knowing "scoop and run" policies of Philly) From 1st call out over the radio to trauma bay was 8 mins which is wildly fast anywhere. We were very lucky she wasn't hit and patrol was 180 yards away (we measured all these things trying to piece everything together)
We were rushed to the ED in the back of a patrol car with my own TQ already applied. I was giving description and stating I may still have an active bleed (blood pooled in thermals, TQ worked) Immediately upon getting in the trauma bay doors I was being stripped and start lines on both arms. Full trauma assessment is being done as layers are being cut off. I carry 3 o'clock and until i was in nothing but the waistline of my pants, my belt and the TQ did the doc ask could i remove my belt. I said yes, I have a pistol on my 3 o'clock position of my belt, i can remove it on the holster. In an instant a nurse yells for security and my transporting cop. I calmly said would you like to remove it or should I? Cop looked at the doc and said he can take it off and hand it to me. Sights Immediately turn to my GF whose covered in my blood. She was asked was she also carrying. They asked her to remove hers to secure them both until detectives arrive being its a GSW situation. Having a thick belt was the only reason this wasn't just cut off. I'm still shocked in Philly that they didn't do a weapons sweep for a GSW arrival and no one saw a G19 w/ WML on my belt. The guy in the bay next to me was slashed up and prepping for surgery so maybe distracted but bad for the staff had i been a bad guy looking for a problem.
Now fast-forward and detectives arrive and this is where statements were taken discussion of "holding for evidence" both firearms that never fired a shot. I'm completely in the buff, TQ removed and in a ton of pain while asking the detectives to not confiscate them since they weren't used. They checked them thoroughly, did a round count on both mags of mine and hers. We confirmed those counts and they agreed they weren't fired. They took serials and cleared them to give to security for check of the firearms, knives, flashlight and other things like my EMS ID, LTCF, License and other cards. This was shockingly easy on my end. Now leaving the hospital.
A day and change in observation to watch for femoral artery rupture from shockwave/temporary wound channel damage. Her and I leave and I rolled to security who asked a few questions like who checked it and whatever. Then they laugh and say "oh you're the one who got randomly shot? Yeah we got both of your guns" I'm thinking okay, our situation made security laugh how insane it was. (Detectives and Patrol on the call as well) Security asked us to move from view of the vistors entrance to holster and chamber rounds. Asked a few questions vaguely about what getting shot feels like. I assume seeing the EMS ID and making jokes they figured they could ask. Super cool and no issues. We rolled/walked out and got a ride home. One Detective asked that we not sell or change the pistols just in case their bosses wanted them taken. Other detectives said to us, we are fine. If they were evidence, they should be taken. They aren't. Do what you want, but "I would recommend carrying if you go out" Those words hit differently when you have a thru and thru of the one round of 9 that hit you. Still carry the same setup and style belt today.
I will comment in another box for my perspective on this from working in TacMed training and active threat response training for EMS and trauma bay. Simple but effective ways to search while doing an assessment.
Thanks for reading if you made it through this long account of hospital, carry and even worse being shot going into the hospital armed. I apologize for the book. Kind of venting it as well
Wow - amazing story. Thx.
@@ron8566 Thanks for reading it. Over 18 months and court prep, I've told that story countless times. Court is finally over so I can discuss it.
Training definitely saved our lives.
Glad you both are okay after all that!
TQ, GSW, GF, ED, WML, EMS, ID, LTCF.
Who are you trying to impress by throwing all of this nonsense around? 99% of normal people have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
You should sell this story to Hollywood.
I was in a terrible roll over accident back at the turn of the century. I was the passenger and was carrying. I broke my neck and have been a quad ever since. I was helivaced off the scene and was unable to speak for a few weeks. ICU for two months then inpatient for another 4 months. I never heard of nor saw my firearm again. I’ve occasionally wondered where it ended up.
Kinda frightening. Guessing turned over to a PD and it got destroyed
I'm sorry that you had to go through that and thoroughly disgusted that they just stole your firearm like that. It sounds like they bet on you having bigger problems to deal with at the time and may have difficulty following through in getting it back, and, like the government does every chance they get, took advantage of you and your situation to "get another gun off the streets". Your gun is probably sitting in some random officer's nightstand.
" Well he isn't useing it." Lol
If I am conscious, I am begging the EMT or cop to hold the gun until my wife gets it. Last time I had a gun enter the system, it took 13 months to get Sacramento CA PD to release it. Every month I had to send them a registered letter declaring I had not abandoned the firearm and still wanted it back, while the CA DOJ took their sweet time reviewing my paperwork.
Sadly the case. It’s a terrible system but that’s CA
One of the many reasons I left CA after 61 years.
When the police violate the law, there is no law, just a fight for survival.
The State has passed laws to legalize their theft of your property. This is why I carry a Taurus and not a Staccato.
You can't LEGALIZE theft. It's theft. Period.
@Courageous_Lion property rights are always ambiguous.
You have to fight to keep what you got and sometimes you're just outside of your weight class.
I've got a glock 20 I wanted to lawyer up and get back, but was advised to just bide my time and get a replacement once everything was dismissed.
@Courageous_Lion that's great in principle, but civil asset forfeiture is a thing. Then it becomes a question of spending 2 grand on lawyers to get back a $700 firearm.
@@Courageous_LionIf only.
@@Courageous_Liontell that to the judge.
Our ambulances have lock boxes in them for pew pews . And then we just tell security and they come out and grab them . Nothing has happened to any of the patients I’ve ever transported that had a bang bang
Is it your state law or county, city.. etc. ??
That you know of
@ considering I know the cops that work at the hospital . And I have transported some of the patients numerous times . But it’s all good Karen
@@dabone3248 well county and cities can make laws that are softer than the state law right ?
@7thsignthenorthcoast146 knowing the cops that do security at the hospital, doesn't relate to what a prosecutor or cops outside the hospital might try to do. But it's all good Elmer fudd
I had a motorcycle wreck a few years ago, and the paramedics took my pistol out of the holster and gave it to the police. The problem came after I got out of the hospital, and the police informed me that I had 34 violent felonies in a state that I had never lived in, so they couldn't give it back. A few weeks later, things got squared away, and I got it back.
Wonderful how useless some technology is.
@Courageous_Lion it turned out someone had tried to steal my identity. The part that helped me was the fact that I had just received my concealed carry permit that showed I wasn't a felon. If I was a felon, my permit would have been denied.
They were just hoping you didn't come asking for it again.
I live in a Constitutional carry state out West.... everyone carries a firearm. Having an issue over one's firearm is probably zero.... UNLESS the firearm comes back stolen, or the carrier is a felon, or prohibited person Thank you, Tom. Appreciate this info.
Even felons, after release, have the right to defend themselves and their loved ones.
Paramedic here. I never freak out when I find a patient with a firearm, but I do have police secure the firearm.
BSI, sure, but is your scene really saaafe? What mechanism of injury? How many patients? ..Man, you made me miss those days!
A friend of mine was involved in a motorcycle accident. I was there with him. The deputy arrive prior to the ambulance. I informed the deputy that he did have a carry permit and also did I, and that I was going to take position of his firearm and make sure it got home safely.He wrote the report of the accident. Also the fact that only I was armed, which was kind of weird, but we straightened it all out and no charges were pressed my friend recovered and his firearm made it home safely.
I am a Los Angeles police reserve officer, but my full-time job is an a physician. I worked at a big private hospital in Los Angeles. The head of security is a former chief of police in the area. This is not an uncommon thing with someone bringing a firearm into the emergency room or finding one under the pillow in a patient’s room… getting it taken into possession of the hospital is not the problem but getting it back Frequently based on the administrators, concern of hospitals and guns, they want the police department to take possession of the gun and return the gun at the police station. If you’re lucky the hospital will take possession and will give it back to you. off campus.
Omg, under a patience pillow ? Not liking that
@@scottwilson7215 Don't forget we are talking about Commifornia! Just read all of the remaining comments from California and you will get the picture!
@@bigmotter001 I'm in NY and regretting slowly buy 2 pistol my wife and I could not even touch until 18hr course . Get finger printed and meet a judge with 4 references. Then to hear NY tried to ban bulk ammunition sale 2 rounds in 120 days. We are in already 1k and if that past I could not go to an indoor target range with handful ammunition. Plus we have to pay 10 each time ammo is bought for a backround check? All this for two .22's ruger's..
Excellent information on this subject! In our community, CC is very common & LEOs or security will safeguard your stuff & you will get it back!
maybe.... but a police or hospital person may counter all your common sense
I was a Security Manager for a hospital. Anytime we had someone come in with a concealed firearm on their person, I would clear it and take possession of it. The policy was to call the police regardless. But if I found a CCW in their personal effects, I would simply leave a receipt with their items detailing the pertinet details of the firearm in our safe. Then upon their discharge, I would give them back their concealed weapon which was zip tied, as they left out the door after discharge.
Zip tied ?? Why ? That's a bit ridiculous.
@denyscpoyner to give the insinuation of security as well as show that the weapon is clear. Where did you do your training?
Good info. I am a police officer and lawyer in a Blue state. It’s a real issue even for cops since they always carry off duty and many ride motorcycles as well. I would say that for civilians lawfully carrying (CCW) the biggest hassle is that if the weapon is secured by LE the process for release can be painful. CA DoJ needs to issue a clearance letter before the PD will release and some jurisdictions require proof of ownership (this is a terrible policy for someone who has had the gun for many years or if it was a gift to them decades ago and has no receipt) It all comes down to the jurisdiction. For LE it is usually not an issue the local LE agency will hold the weapon and release it but even for LE in CA the CA DoJ needs to issue a clearance letter if the weapon is personal not a dept firearm.
I was arrested for missing court on a Marijuana possession ticket back in 08 and had a pistol in my car and didn't even have a ccw permit. They didn't charge me with anything related to the gun, and I went to the PD the next morning with my driver's license and got it back with no issues. Police in my hometown are really cool unless you do something really bad, or at least that has been my experience. It's kinda weird because we have a Democrat for a governor and don't have constitutional carry, but Police don't strictly enforce ccw laws, so I wouldn't consider us a blue state.
Tom. I rely on your videos to enlighten me on all the factors of gun ownership that i have failed to consider. Thank you for being the devout voice of reason that you are.
I live in CT which a anti gun state, and I got into a horrible car accident and was carrying. The police officer who responded to the accident took it and said, "Come to the police department when you are discharged."
sorry about your MVA - how did the pickup of your weapon go ? another ct resident. ~ JDS/CT
@@jonathansmith283 It was sold to Mexican drug cartels.
Interesting
@jonathansmith283 went just fine. It helped that i grew up in a small town and knew all the police officers.
a lawyer may cost you too much to get a gun returned even if the police take and keep a gun safe and they still may charge you and you may need a lawyer for help. Consider letting the police destroy the gun after ' X ' days as their legal letter to you will likely state.
Carry everywhere always.
A guardian would do that!
that sounds good and is so faulty...
@DougHinVA You agree with tyrants 😂
@@DougHinVA The presumption is that an individual responsible enough to conceal carry also goes to the range regularly, knows their limitations, practices concealing draw, is a law-abiding citizen, and is a considerate person who does so for righteous defense-purposes only. The goal being to never have an incident and avoid problems but to have a final chance to turn things around should there be no other choice. If someone wanted to quote statistics about physically-uncoordinated individuals who don't secure their tools or lack situational awareness, that'd be being untruthful with statistics which doesn't mean anything. And if someone chose to live in a dangerous country as an untrained, defenseless pacifist, then they can feel free to take on that risk themselves and hope it works out. It's a personal choice as to whether one believes legal self-defense is an ethical and/or moral imperative or not. If America were exactly the same as Japan or Australia, it'd be a different calculation.
I was involved in an accident in upstate New York in the late 80's. I had a shotgun and a pistol holster in my trunk. I was transported to the hospital via an ambulance, while in the hospital a state trooper came in and was interogating me as to the location of the pistol. I was stationed there in the military and checked before I moved in and found out I couldn't legally bring my pistol in to the state so it was at my father's house.
Couldn't legally bring it into the state?
That's bs 😂
@LuxTheFolf yep, active duty military and I was forbidden from bringing personally owned pistols into the state.
I will never live in a Blue state again....
@@LuxTheFolf Nope, NY penal code - Section 265 I think.
@robertboudrie2234 Bs, there is no restrictions to bringing guns into different states do you wanna know why?
Because that's unconstitutional and there for unenforceable :)
Stop being a sheep :)
@@LuxTheFolf yeah that’s NY for you. Communist anti gun state.
Excellent content I was in this situation unfortunately years ago. Pd & the hospital did an excellent job. My firearms & mags was placed in a bag and I was asked not to touch them until I'm cleared.
Thank you addressing this. I never thought of that.
Thanks, you brought up something I never thought about
This kinda happened to a friend of mine in New Jersey. He got in an accident and was taken to the hospital unconscious. While still at the scene the officers did their little "inventory" of the vehicle and saw lock box. They proceeded to break open the lock box and found his Kimber 1911. He was jailed and sentenced to three years.
Pathetic. This should never happen in America.
@ agreed! 💯
So how did he repay them after the 3 years? Seems unconstitutional.
@@odarkeq well they got their conviction, so therefore he's probably not able to sue.
They unlawfully accessed that lock box. Did he have a valid ccw permit?
Had this kinda happen first hand. Lady pulled out in front of me doing 58 mph. Hit her head on , airbag turned me into a derp for a second or 2. A NYS trooper witnessed the accident and as i got out of the car my shirt was lifted showing my p365. He initially freaked out but i was able to show him my ccw permit. Ended up being a nice guy and let me sit in the front seat of the cruiser while we waited for ambulance and my wife to show up.
I work at a Hospital in a anti gun state. As long as the patient has a valid concealed carry license we take the weapon and put in a weapons safe until the patient is discharged. Then the patient retrieves from our security office. We also clear the weapon. If the patient doesn't have a ccw we inform our local law enforcement. Still haven't encountered that scenario yet
I went to see my father-in-law in a hospital in St. Louis, Missouri. The security guard at the entrance asked if I was armed. I said I was. He had me place my firearm in a small locker. They had about a dozen small locker in the wall behind the security desk. Easy peasy.
so you snitch - got it
@@SeekingNamelesslyHe snitched on himself. And that bugs you, because?
@@bobbressi5414He snitched on the fact that they snitch on their patients.
@@bobbressi5414 I was responding to the original post, not the first response
I had a grand mal seizure at home, I was carrying...when I woke up in the hospital they told me my pistol was in the guard's office..I picked it up the next morning..no problem...I even got a compliment for what I was carrying..The EMTs actually missed it and the nurses noticed it when I was wheeled into the ER..they called the guard.
I’m 78 and can see this happening to me. Thx for putting this content out there, very helpful.
Tom, I'm a four decade LEO and near the end of my career. I'm in Texas and strongly pro-gun region. This video is one of the more helpful and informative videos that everyone who carries should watch. Thank you for sharing this.
I was in a flip accident on the highway, miraculously unharmed, in June of 2014.
Everybody on scene knew that when EMS showed up they need to be informed I was carrying.
Unconscious, no idea until you said something!
Any law enforcement officer? That would arrest a person who is carrying lawfully after experiencing a medical emergency that requires treatment at a hospital is an absolute disgrace to his or her duty as a peace officer who is supposed to stand for the united states constitution. That peace officer can try to justify his or her actions all they want. But the reality is, at the end of the day, they made an innocent person, a criminal for simply getting hurt or sick. In my opinion, it's peace officers with that mentality that need to be completely erased from the industry of public service.
you assume too much ... a 'police officer' is very different from a hospital employee.
What are you talking about and what is your point?
I had a stroke and went to the hospital. It was in my Cerebellum so I could still talk just fine, I was just couldn't see well or keep my balance. I forgot completely that I had my gun on me until I was in the ICU hours later. My wife was there visiting and I gave it to her and she stuck it in her purse. It is a Misdemeanor here to carry in the hospital because they have no-gun signs. She didn't tell any one, so she was able to take it out to here car and lock it in the safe.
Cool, thank you for covering this topic. I've had these very questions for years.
I had this very scenario in my motorcycle accident in 2006. All I did was let the responding officer know, and asked him to secure the firearm. He simply told me to come and get it at the station when I was able. I showed my DL, and CCL, and he gave it back to me. Pennsylvania.
That's a fantastic quote! Thank you Tom.
Words to live by.
my father is an EMT and has been for a long time. he said about 40-60% of the people he pulls from vehicle accidents have guns. they are not allowed to touch them and the trooper has to handle & secure it. you get a letter telling you where to pick it up.
Currently in California, there's no law against it. If you have a carry license of course. It's still California.
I've dealt with it a few times. Honestly, both the EMT's and/or hospital staff have been very cooperative. As long a you tell them up front, they'll usually have either security at a large hospital, or an officer at a smaller one, secure your firearm for you in the event that you don't have someone who can pick it up for you. As long as you're legal and straight forward about it (medical situation, of course, being a deciding factor) it really shouldn't be a big deal
and if you are not conscious or thinking clearly ... then what?
@DougHinVA well, then it's gonna be a roll of the dice. The police are likely going to take possession. It sucks, but it's how it's gonna work. However, catching a charge over it is unlikely. You're breaking the law of you knowingly or intentionally bring a firearm into a hospital in many states. Coming in unconscious isn't knowingly or willingly bringing one in.
Thanks Tom.
I can actually see California if I go up on the roof of my condo. I wear a red medical dog tag for my condition. It updated it when I moved to Nevada, and the long form information in my wallet. "Do not take to CA." I would rather expire on scene than go to California.
That's good policy
I was in an accident while carrying, and I broke my leg in the accident. The police got to me before the ambulance, and the officer asked if I had a firearm, and I informed him I was carrying on the same side as my broken leg. He then proceeds to jump on my broken leg yanking on my holster trying to get my firearm out. I'm screaming in pain telling him that he's hurting me, and he's like, "I have to get it sir." And I said ok, but not like that! He eventually got it, and luckily after that my wife was able to take possession for me.
Thank you for this. Never gave it any thought. Great information.
Fantastic topic im sure most havent thought of this scenario. Great info
Thanks, Tom. Unfortunately, here in Illinois,you're going to lose your firearm because of FOID transfer rules as far as I know.
Great stuff! I have never thought about this, thanks!
As always, great video. I was lucky that when my vehicle was totaled and I was being loaded in the ambulance, my gun was in my bag. I just told the paramedic to please grab my bag. So I had everything and didn't have to mention what was in there. I definitely wasn't going to allow it to go to the tow yard.
This is great information.
I keep all my gun info in my contacts, in my phone. So I always have them.
Always sage advice. Thank you!!
Thank you!
Thank you for all you do!!
Another thing to consider is, if someone is coming to pick up your firearm, like a family member, or friend, they need to make sure they are a concealed carry permit holder, otherwise they cannot handle the firearm legally.
I was involved in a car accident while CC. I had a huge reason to go to the ER. However, i was able to call my best friend and delay the ambulance long enough for him to arrive (less than 10 minutes) to take custody.
Never thought of this. Thank you
Oh hold the phone, you can almost bet that if the gun is better, more expensive or collectable than the one deputy dog has, you can rest assured it won't show up on any reports and you'll never see it again. Been there done that.
That’s when you call and report it stolen who knows maybe one day the numbers will get ran.
Not suprising.
I was actually involved in a motorcycle accident on my way to work at 0630. This was almost 7 years ago now. Palm Beach Fire Rescue was getting ready to enter the road I was on from the right. They were running code, so I went to slow down to allow them to go through the red light, (I had a green light) when my rear tire slid from underneath me and my bike went down. I didn’t think about that fact that early in the morning and I was actually riding in the center of the lane where oil builds up and the roads were damp. So, my bike slides 150 feet, I slide like 100 feet. The Rescue unit detours to me to render assistance. They couldn’t take me since they already had a patient they were taking to the hospital. When I went down, my pistol flew out of my holster onto the street. One of the fire fighters picked it up, told me he found it. They picked my bike up and secured my pistol in the tour pack. One of them then road my bike to the firehouse like 100 feet further up the road and it stayed there until a family member got a hold of AAA to pick it up and return it to my home. I was taken to the hospital ER and while I was there a Deputy from PBSO showed up to question me about my pistol and if I had a CCW. I showed my CCW to him and he said that was all he needed and hoped I would heal soon. I got lucky in the sense that PBFD has some really cool and responsible first responders. While I didn’t bring my EDC with me to the ER, Fire Rescue had my back on this one.
Expect that hospital 🏥 staff will be 100% anti-gun... You're likely to get nicer treatment at a democratic convention open carrying.
We had a mentally deranged individual walking in a hospital with a gun and he got arrested. Can't say staff is all anti gun when it is illegal. I would not like it either .
Yes, I've noticed that RNs over the last 10 years have started to all have all the telltale libby identifiers.
True example I was following the hospital rules no firearms in the hospital waiting in the emergency waiting room when a large male psychopath decides he’s going to stab everyone people are freaking out and running everywhere there’s no security that can do anything totally useless the police finally arrive and several get slashed and one stabbed why they didn’t shoot this guy is beyond me then after being tased several times there able to subdue this creep and take him away luckily I wasn’t injured or any of my family but if I were shouldn’t I be able to sue the crap out of the hospital for not protecting anyone or not allowing you to protect yourself.
Sue the hospital when they have deep pockets to hire legal protection? And what if a relative is killed in front of you? What would you do then?
This happened in Boston and a shirnk was being stabbed. A bystander who was carrying terminated the assault.
The hospital (Mass General) thanked the hero, but retains its not legally binding "no guns" policy. The shooter was a "housing cop" (NO police status or authority outside of "the projects" or when off duty), so the media spun the off duty cop angle.
Very good video, Tom. Please keep up the good work.
I was a first responder with medical training. On occasion we would have to accompany the ambulance crew. I was often armed. Texas has hospitals are off limits however I heard that as a first responder treating a patient we were allowed to go in armed. Once the patient was transferred to ER staff I would have to leave the hospital immediately.
Good one Tom. Thank you.
I like that you put Paul Harrell in your opening animation. Very classy move on your part. I miss his videos.
Good video Tom educational
My personal favorite source of 2A legal analysis
Thanks, Derek
Great to know!
Very informative video. I had to be transported to the local hospital for a medical condition. I was able to remove my firearm & secure it at home before paramedics arrived. When I was in the ambulance, I saw they had a lockbox for firearms in the back of the ambulance. I live in a urban area. I wonder how many other ambulances in other cities have this feature.
I work security at a hospital that really does not care about the legal status of the patients when it comes to guns and drugs, we just cannot have it on the property.
We have had several patients come in with guns and it’s no big deal. We take down the patients information and the gun information and secure the gun in the gun box and lock it in a safe. We have no reason to believe the patient is a criminal so we do not call the police. and police can not question about the patient without a warrant. Once the patient is cleared they bring us the receipt and sign the document and get the gun back.
Why do you treat guns the same as (presumably illicit) drugs? And if the hospital cannot have guns on the property, do they have a metal detector and security at the door?
you do not live everywhere and your police or hospital staff are not like you at all...
@@DougHinVA I dont know what you’re trying to say.
@@ethanlamoureux5306 I dont know what was not clear… firearms and illicit substances are not allowed on the property.
Great vid Tom. thanx
I find it sad that we caint carry into a hospital that maybe has one to two guards that most likely would run from the fight because they don’t get paid nearly enough for the job. As a licensed concealed carrier I’ve been back ground checked as much as the security guard. I should be able to carry.
'should be able' ? says whose lawyer?
Thank you. I never even thought about that. It is time I find out who to talk to at my hospital. Not saying if anything happens that is where I'll be taken. Just for basic knowledge.
I did a year of kemo therapy and kept a gun in my luggage. Even when I went to the university for surgery they didn't have any complaints of me having a gun. I put it in my backpack and they locked it up till I got out of surgery and in my room.
I was in a wreck in 2016, my whole vehicle was looted before I got discharged and got access to the remains, including a couple weapons. They were robbing me while I was under the scalpel.
Good advice always wonder about that thanks Tom
I open carry, so the gun is easy to find on me, but I'm in Idaho so it's no big deal. Hospitals most of the time in Idaho have no guns allowed signs, but no guns signs have no force of law in Idaho, so I carry.
Love ID
Can't wait to move to Idaho!
I live in a very anti-firearm state, with super-restrictive laws. The thought of having a firearm on me while suffering a medical emergency, or even when getting stopped by police, almost makes me think “I’d be better off not carrying at all”. Thanks for the video, though it does little to allay my worries about this.
Working as a security guard in a hospital in downtown in Colorado Spring. S.O.P if a patient enters the hospital with a handgun, and has no place outside of the hospital to store it (i.e someone comes in Via Ambulance with a firearm on them) we would secure the firearm in the dispatch common. Inside of a firearm lock box, and then provide the patient with a receipt that they must present with a valid ID in order to retrieve their firearm once they are able to. ( we use standard Hospital patient ID stickers on all receipts and items secured with security)
I've always walked past the signs anywhere. It's concealed. Here it's the same as a sign on the door to a store. If you refuse to leave then it's a problem.
I witnessed a motorcycle accident I was the first one on scene guy was messed up but with it. When paremedics got there i noticed he was carrying on his hip. I asked him if he was legal to carry he said he was. I stopped paremedics from cutting his edc belt and removed the holster with the firearm in it and handed it to pd. I noticed these things and kept them from cutting his belt that the buckle could be removed as I carry everyday and would be pissed if they cut my $100 belt
And boy, how they love cutting.😢
Thanks Tom. Helpful.
In our state, emergency workers can expect a high percentage of patients are armed. A nonissue here.
Great Video! Great insight!
Fantastic information. Present ed very well. I feel that we are fortunate to have your expertise 😊.
Never thought about this to much thank you
Tank You!
Sorry but the legal system over complicating it. Every fire department medic and firefighter should be trained on how to remove a firearm and clear it. If the person is permitted to carry a firearm it should be removed, made safe and secured till a family member can take possession. If it's illegal for that family member to take possession in the hospital, there should be a secure area where it can be picked up. Put a zip tie through the barrel do what you have to. With more law-abiding people carrying a firearm it does not have to be a whole ordeal.
Thank you Tom!!!!!
Good info. Thanks, Tom!!
Excellent subject and information Tom. Thank you! 👍
If you don't have a gun at UF Shands Jacksonville, FL. you will be in trouble, especially at night! I seen all kinds of crazy at that hospital!
While it's unconstitutional I'm pretty sure it's outright illegal to have a firearm on your person IN a hospital in my state.
Don't guess. Know your laws and change them if you can.
Thanks
I was riding my motorcycle in an unincorporated area of my county in Missouri when topping a small hill, I saw a car pulling onto the highway I was on from the intersection of a side road. I an a permitted conceal carrier and I was armed with a pistol at the time. I was doing 50 mph at the time and from the crest of the hill to the intersection she had pulled out into was a measured distance of 110 feet. I hit the left rear quarter panel of her car. I remember lying on the hot blacktop highway groaning in great pain. I was somewhat aware that she was there near me and quite distraught. I remember the very bumping and painful ride in an ambulance on the way to the hospital. I had a broken right leg, 5 broken ribs, a torn right shoulder, a shattered right shoulder blade (scapula), extreme road rash with slime for skin. I remember being conscious in an emergency room when a deputy sheriff came in and announced that he had given my pistol and holster to my wife. I wasn't even aware that I had been carrying while I was lying there. I guess I might have been very fortunate in that regard. Fond memory, now.
Two recent visits to hospitals to visit family, I noticed they not only had restrictive signs but had a metal dedector so I had to go back to leave my firearm in the vehicle.
I found this out a few months after I was involved in a vehicle accident in September of last year. I did not go to the hospital because I had 2 firearms, 1 on my person, the other in my cat that was totaled ,and going to the tow lot! So I chose not to go to the hospital that day, because I knew firearms are not allowed on the premises! Had i told the Highway patrol I had firearms, they would have taken them from me, and may or may not have returned them to me. It turned out I had no serious injuries,and my guns are still in my possession. the moral of the story is... Had I have known there would have been no problem telling KHP I had guns, I could have gone to the hospital that day,and been told the same thing I was told the next day!!!!!
I was a fireman for 39 years. I had multiple situations where we would find a firearm on scene. There were multiple times when I unloaded, and broke down the gun and gave the patient the lower and told him he could pick up the rest of the parts at the fire station. If the person in procession had committed a crime, such as DUI, then we would just turn the gun over to PD on scene. It was always a judgement call.
What happens when the cops refuse to give a property list? Then actively destroy and or conversate all legal possessed fire arms and mags?
As a passenger with a CCW in CA, on the way back from a range. It took over a year to get 2/3ds of my range bag back.. All ammo ,Knifes, some Mags are Gun case and paperwork for a collectable are all MIA..
I had three weapons in the car when I totaled it the tow truck company put them in the safe until I was able to come get them .
Awesome informative video! Thank you.
How 'bout call your local Rescue Squad and a couple of private ambulance companies and ask what their protocol is BEFORE anything happens. In my area patients ARE NOT transported with firearms, they must be disarmed by LE at the scene.
Tom , when I moved to the little town I live in now I approached a LEO about this as I ride a bike also and the combination could put me in a hospital in either condition. Here it is not problem they (the hospital) will take possession/ control of the wea❤pon, upon release, I fill out a form and take posession again. I had t have a serries of tests done at this hospital and as I carry when I ride and don't have a "glove box to lock it up in security took possession, I did the tests, went back to them filled out the form, took posession, no issues, no hassles. Kenai Peninsula Alaska.
Our ambulance crew in western NY all carry in the ER