This information was mentioned in the SnowRunner Discord Channel by Knite regarding these principles. Since then I have been spending some spare time and stream time looking into this as well. This is great information to make low P2W trucks have better pulling potential so thank you Knite. KNITES YT: www.youtube.com/@KniteTime This information was first found through Papa Swish. Here is his findings: www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/120yz9p/clarifying_how_low_gears_interact_with_torque_yes/?context=3
Great info thanks Nathan. Anything that makes the P12 more useful is a bonus. I love how rugged that beast is and I really want to use it more...even after all these years.
I will test this on gameplay; it is definitely very interesting, for sure. The concern is how the maps with hills in Showrunner are made. Basically, we don't have a "clean" hill like on this map test. There will always be rocks(with almost zero grip for any tire), deformations, corners that make us lose momentum, bumps, etc. If the hill has any mud or deep mud before, we can get stuck due to the mechanics of as much wheel spin, less grip we have and more the truck digs. But it's still very interesting.
This is a test strip yes, but the principle still remains and the problems with trucks locking up also remains an issue. Other testers have confirmed that this has made a lot of lower P2W trucks useful.
@nprovince Sure, and I think devs are adding these trucks with low power to weight because maps are getting easier, from my point of view. 0:33 From your top 15, 5 of them are quite recently added. If you include 16 of the trucks on your list, you will have pretty much all trucks considered kings of SnowRunner or OP by the community.
Yep i had notice this exact same thing, and did the same, downgrade the tires so they would spin just a tiny bit to avoid axel freeze. Makes sense really, if you ever have driven through sand or mud IRL, if you get just the correcto amount of spinning in the wheels, you are good, remove some power or go too hard, you sunk almost instantly. is really funny to find that balance when you are being swerved side to side xD
I was wondering if too much grip was a thing in this game. I had it mostly confirmed with my knowledge of forces and friction. This is the proof I needed to switch to all terrains when pulling heavy loads up hills.
I had similar thoughts on this and someone from The discord broke this down a while back. Since then I’ve been mulling it over and decided to show results on stream. I’m switching too
Ah this was the video I was trying to find! Very interesting that people are still pushing the limits on this game and discovering new things. Cheers guys. Nate still bossing it as a pillar of the SR community, great to see.
Another thing i learned, unrelated to this, if you switch to low-/low/low+ and still get stuck in mud, giving half or barely any throttle input can help you massively in mud in many situations. Especiall with onroad/All-terrain or offroad tired
@@NProvince i know what video you mean, but trust me, i mean something else :D giving nearly no throttle, or barely any throttle input, will make those allterrains act like youre on pavement. Afaik it works on every muddy surface if its not waterlogged, and you dont bottom out. Works best on UOD/UAD/UHD tires :) Another thing i noticed: if your truck lacks diff lock, a simple way fo overcome wheelspin, is to floor it, and simoultaneously switching up a gear. Works best when shifting from low-/low to low+ or auto :)
What would happen if you changed gears when the speed is similar? During the first test on the OHD I tires, the change from LOW+ to LOW gears occurred when the P12 was going 0.8m/s, while with the JAT it was 2.2m/s. If both were changed during a similar speed, what would be the result? The same thing happened with Kenworth. The gear change from LOW+ to LOW on the MHS tires occurred when it was going 1.3m/s, while with the 963 it was changed at 2.1m/s. Based on this, I believe this test is disqualified.
Ya I was a tad late on that switch on The OHDs, but no matter my provision they still froze on this hill. I’ve tested this off stream which is why i was confident in these findings on live stream. So you’re talking about a target speed, but that was just a speed I was planning to Switch. Also keep in mind, I was on stream monitoring chat while doing all this at the same time. The OHD test was running fine and abruptly dropped off, but the result in any test is the same. I’ve run this plenty of times. This was done on a live stream. Run the test yourself. This already has been confirmed by other testers.
Contrary to popular believe, tyres don't have the most grip when they don't slip. They have the most grip when they slip at a certain threshold. Of course this varies greatly, but having your setup whether irl or games aimed at no slip won't give you the most grip. Talking about tarmac or other closed surfaces. But even on dirt you want slip, but explaining that takes too much words for a comment.
@@NProvince well I play since steam release and I’m on my 3rd playthrough. Because of your channel I started to try all the underwhelming at first sight trucks. So far the p12 disappointed but I guess I’ll try the tires. It feels so counterintuitive 😂
@@NProvince so my test mission is the logging mission where you have to deliver 4 medium and 2 long to the sawmill. Medium logs + trailer on the JAT MHS2 mudtires had wheel lockups on even ground. OHD1 with long logs worked better, but still had lockups. OHD2 Chains caused me some issues with mud traversing, but provided just enough slip for the big hill. I took an extra long route so see the different terrains. In conclusion the P12 feels still underwhelming but it was fun to make it work. That said I work a lot and don’t have that much time, I guess I’ll use more versirtile trucks in future because it safes time Edit: OHD1 feels like the best option for me
@@elin0s So all those options you are using are high friction values. In the video I dropped the Tires down to Alterain JAT doubles to prevent wheel lockups. I would try that.
@@NProvince well I haven’t tried but it felt like the mud in Yukon would be to much for all terrain. Since the big hill is just part of the journey I want a good middle way.
Is it possible we are misunderstanding the concept of power to weight ratio ? Better PWR just mean better acceleration, not better ability to pull overall. Anyone correct me if im wrong.
I dont think so because better p2w would also produce better pulling power (by having more availble p2w overhead) and acceleration. You wouldnt just have one and not the other. I beleive you would see increases in both. At what increments? That probably depends on the gearing as well
1:55 this is exactly what i've been experiecing with the P12 lately. I thought it just semeed ridiculous for a truck that should be... so powerful to struggle that much, even on much less steep hills than the one showed here. This video is 7 months old but could you give me your opinion on the Pacific trucks family and other similar trucks with such lower power to weight ratio? Should they be buffed to compensate or is downgrading tires the way to go? It just sounds a little unfair that this thing can get out performed by smaller trucks. Oh also... what's the name of this test map on the mod site?
I do think the Pacific trucks should be helped out some for sure, but not too much. As of now, downgrading tires is the way to go and it’s actually feels good in practice. Also the test map is private that a friend owns. On previous streams of season 13 you’ll see me use the P-12 with all terrain tires and have a lot of success. It may lose a tad mud performance but it helps with pulling quite a bit
@@NProvince it is simple, even on icy hills, if I start to struggle, I just slow down, the devs have done everything they could to incentivize going slowly
I first thought about this some months ago when I failed to climb a slope with the P12 and I saw the tires unable to spin. I am running the Real Life Mod so I can use the Ken Super tires on the P13 that are worse than the ones I was using at that time and it climbed the hill perfectly with the new and downgraded tires. I yet have to test if for mud it’s the same for low P2W trucks or mud tires are still preferred in mud. Have you done any testing?
When S10 has just came out, I also noticed that Kenworth has less problems climbing hills with LK-2NY equipped on its custom tires. I thought this is because they are bigger...
@@NProvince idk, I prefer to not having to winch myself through a muddy bog. Used the KW963 today and it absolutely struggled in the eastern part of the Pineline Bay.
I've actually been doing this with trucks like the WS 47X NF 1424 (which always behaved like crap) and it makes them so much better. Some trucks are legitimately designed to be highway trucks and they perform their role well, despite all odds.
So I was messing with this the other day, in a situation where the P12 hauling two loads of medium logs got axle freeze. I edited the torque of the truck (gave it about %40 more) and tried again, the same thing happened. Next I doubled the torque and attempted the same test and it STILL happened. With double the torque the thing probably would have had a higher power to weight than anything else in the game so there is still something I am not understanding. Also do you know what the Angular Velocity delta is representing? I see in the game files a parameter with the engines called "MaxDeltaAngVel" but from what I have seen it is set to .01 for every engine and I am not sure what it does. The P12 specifically behaves like the clutch is let out too soon or something.
Hmm that is really crazy information there. So to my limited knowledge the angular velocity is essentially a wheel speed and with that speed is a torque value. Im sure you already know that so with low gears the aim is to try and stay at 100% or max speed in that gear to achieve the best torque from that setting. Seeing that 40% more power still stalled... Is kinda wild!
no I mean using smaller diameter tires provides better gearing for pulling because of the shorter lever that a smaller radius provides. Has nothing to do with the gearbox. @@NProvince
Well a lot of folks like these trucks a lot tbh. Also in my humblest opinion, I don’t like playing super good trucks because it just makes the game too easy for me. I do like these trucks that have issues. I like trying to make them Work I guess
Huh I'll have to keep this trick in mind. I always kept the 963 on its default tires for the extra few inches (and it just looks better), but now I have another reason on top of that.
Unfortunately putting the 963 through the Amur steel beam run did not prove fruitful. Despite the 71 inch tires it still got stuck in the exact same place as everything else.
3 metal beams and with a trailer? Keep in mind that this is not just a blind fix. It’s situational and also consider that this method was using an extended fuel tank with no trailer. If you were hauling with a trailer as well keep in mind that you’re also carrying much more weight with a trailer and that trailer creates a lot of drag as well.
I wasn't even carrying steel beams or even a trailer. I was trying to unblock the path. There is this one spot that looks super unassuming but its what kills my runs every single time. Its just a few rocks in the path on a hill, but nothing can get over them, not even a 963. Most success I've had was trying to daisy chain 2 trucks together so that the first one gets pushed over that one spot, and then the first one pulls the other one over.
Im starting to think that just because many trucks are given mud tire options, doesnt mean they are the default best. I mean makes sense that wide flotation wheels arent suitable for pulling heavy loads, like in real life with farming tractors. I use wide wheels when in soft areas as to not sink ir damage the ground, but if im pulling heavy trailers im better off using standard width tyres. More power to the smaller surface area. I feel silly not realising that ingame now
I understand there may be conditions where too much grip is detrimental to progression, but somehow I have a hard time understanding how you can move up such a steep incline by having less grip with trucks that have low power-to-weight ratio in the first place. This is one of those things where I'm never sure if it's "just a game thing" or if the same conditions are effectively applicable in real life. Thanks for this video, though, it's all very interesting! Cheers! //Rick
Hey Rick. So you're right, this is really just for certain conditions to make low powered trucks useful in conditions on slopes. This is an exagerated test for sure, but its just to show folks that the P12 and other trucks can be made better in these situations. Also I think you're right on the fact that its just a game thing. IRL you would always choose grip logically, but no one would take on grade (slope) of this sort with that tonnage. SR trucks can do some crazy things i guess lol
Like the Pacific P12 man I can’t stand that dang thing I used it in Taymyr to do a rare achievement for the game and it was a nightmare to use any slight Roll to one side and it’s game over
if not for your videos, i would have never known the game simulates a torque curve. now granted it seems to be based more on speed than engine rpm, but its good to know
This is nice, but are you really going to risk this knowing you will probably be stuck just ahead in a puddle because you have less grip? Still, nice info.
Actually I doubt you’ll be stuck in a puddle. There isn’t much loss in mud. Also using the JAT ATHDs are wider so therefore you don’t sink as much. Also I’ve went though some really bad conditions with highway tires and difflock. I showed this technique on my randomizer playthrough with the fleetstar (on the yt channel).
It's simple, bigger or better wheels and you need more torque to move it... This is what I don't like about Snowrunner. L should have more torque, not H. L- the most, L+ a little less, but still more than Auto or H. You could also check H, there is much more torque there.
So, in real life, tyres don't spin perfectly with the surface. They slip, going around corners and in straight lines (accel and braking). There is an ideal ratio of slip where the tyres provide them most grip. I have no clue how well, if at all, that SR models this, but the theory checks out. You can literally have too much grip, where a vehicle, truck in this instance, is power limited.
If they would use a proper transmission this wouldn't happen as trucks like the Pacific's and big kenworth would have such massive gear reductions they would have more then enough power to spin the tires on that hill for a game from the spin tires series you sure can't spin the tires
Always advocated for the 963's unique tires... As i advocate for a lot of the unique tires in game. A lot of this could be more intuitive if they just did things in a more normal fashion with other driving games (and how things actually work). My latest frustration has been the lack of properly working suspensions in the game, almost none of it works correctly. Lots of mod trucks from the "better" devs have properly working suspensions. Pure lazyness from sabre. Ready for another little tease? I keep dropping in here lol. Tire weight has zero effect on the ability of the truck to move under its own power unlike an external load or body. Should try some tires that weigh 50,000kg each... :P The devs use this to artificially handicap or buff trucks depending on tire set access. The above case is a bit extreme and doesnt work great on deep mud, but its funny on hard surfaces.
So from what I have been coming to understand about wheel weights is that they have an effect on increasing the effective power just by being heavier. I've noticed this with 3 trucks in particular. Im going to make a video on this actually
@@NProvince really debating a vid myself at some point soon but just dont have time or a real channel. Still got a few tricks up the old sleeve I feel. Look forward to yours!
Great video (but man, those sound effects are super annoying). Having too much grip doesn't really make any sense, but the results seem to speak for themselves 🙂. Even after seeing this, I wouldn't run the All Terrains because you'd seldom be in a position where conditions like this are a factor. In the "lab conditions" here, it is clearly worth putting those tires on, but when playing the actual maps I can't see the upside of running the All Terrains. I tend to always run Offroad tires whenever possible. Thanks for posting this!
@@NProvince All good, no worries! The video had a lot of useful info in there. I'm slowly chugging away playing the regions in order. I'm half way through the Glades. I'll catch up eventually. 😉
I cut the video before cycling to that option on the first video. Also from prior testing off stream (this recording being on live stream) I felt confident in the consistency of the findings. You can check out the full testing today when the stream vod appears on UA-cam at 8 am EST. Also we looked over the FEMM vs 605R findings as well. :)
This information was mentioned in the SnowRunner Discord Channel by Knite regarding these principles. Since then I have been spending some spare time and stream time looking into this as well. This is great information to make low P2W trucks have better pulling potential so thank you Knite. KNITES YT: www.youtube.com/@KniteTime
This information was first found through Papa Swish. Here is his findings: www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/120yz9p/clarifying_how_low_gears_interact_with_torque_yes/?context=3
Of course it was Knite who found this
someday there will be a purpose for highway tires 😂
Someday!
lol... I actually wrote the same joke immediately... :D
They look cool 😂
It's called Scandinavia. With Veyron Grand, crane and 8 slot trailer 😊
i love these detailed and technical explanations. they're unique to your channel. keep them coming 👍💯
Thank you, will do!
Great info thanks Nathan. Anything that makes the P12 more useful is a bonus. I love how rugged that beast is and I really want to use it more...even after all these years.
Ya its good to see that it can do more
I will test this on gameplay; it is definitely very interesting, for sure. The concern is how the maps with hills in Showrunner are made. Basically, we don't have a "clean" hill like on this map test. There will always be rocks(with almost zero grip for any tire), deformations, corners that make us lose momentum, bumps, etc. If the hill has any mud or deep mud before, we can get stuck due to the mechanics of as much wheel spin, less grip we have and more the truck digs. But it's still very interesting.
This is a test strip yes, but the principle still remains and the problems with trucks locking up also remains an issue. Other testers have confirmed that this has made a lot of lower P2W trucks useful.
@nprovince Sure, and I think devs are adding these trucks with low power to weight because maps are getting easier, from my point of view. 0:33 From your top 15, 5 of them are quite recently added. If you include 16 of the trucks on your list, you will have pretty much all trucks considered kings of SnowRunner or OP by the community.
True.A lot of those trucks up there are some of the stronger trucks indeed. Some though don’t have trouble as much with inclines
Yep i had notice this exact same thing, and did the same, downgrade the tires so they would spin just a tiny bit to avoid axel freeze.
Makes sense really, if you ever have driven through sand or mud IRL, if you get just the correcto amount of spinning in the wheels, you are good, remove some power or go too hard, you sunk almost instantly.
is really funny to find that balance when you are being swerved side to side xD
Gotta love it...just like real life obsticles for trucks tires matter indeed. Nicely done Nate. God bless!
Thank you brodie! God Bless!
I was wondering if too much grip was a thing in this game. I had it mostly confirmed with my knowledge of forces and friction. This is the proof I needed to switch to all terrains when pulling heavy loads up hills.
I had similar thoughts on this and someone from
The discord broke this down a while back. Since then I’ve been mulling it over and decided to show results on stream. I’m switching too
Ah this was the video I was trying to find! Very interesting that people are still pushing the limits on this game and discovering new things. Cheers guys. Nate still bossing it as a pillar of the SR community, great to see.
I appreciate that TimmyGun! Means a lot brother
Holy crap, that actually makes so much sense
It’s wild. Knite on discord discovered this concept a while back. It took me a while to buy into it, but I did through testing :)
@@NProvince I swear Knite says something on Discord, and for some reason his words become Snowrunner law
He’s pretty smart for sure
So useful for low power to weight trucks if you have difflock, what about if you dont have difflock then just pick the best grip tyres?🤔
There aren’t many trucks that have low P2W that have don’t have diff low though. This is meant for large heavy trucks that lack power
Another thing i learned, unrelated to this, if you switch to low-/low/low+ and still get stuck in mud, giving half or barely any throttle input can help you massively in mud in many situations. Especiall with onroad/All-terrain or offroad tired
Yep, talked about this one on my mudrunning tips video as well :)
@@NProvince i know what video you mean, but trust me, i mean something else :D giving nearly no throttle, or barely any throttle input, will make those allterrains act like youre on pavement. Afaik it works on every muddy surface if its not waterlogged, and you dont bottom out. Works best on UOD/UAD/UHD tires :)
Another thing i noticed: if your truck lacks diff lock, a simple way fo overcome wheelspin, is to floor it, and simoultaneously switching up a gear. Works best when shifting from low-/low to low+ or auto :)
What would happen if you changed gears when the speed is similar? During the first test on the OHD I tires, the change from LOW+ to LOW gears occurred when the P12 was going 0.8m/s, while with the JAT it was 2.2m/s. If both were changed during a similar speed, what would be the result? The same thing happened with Kenworth. The gear change from LOW+ to LOW on the MHS tires occurred when it was going 1.3m/s, while with the 963 it was changed at 2.1m/s. Based on this, I believe this test is disqualified.
Ya I was a tad late on that switch on
The OHDs, but no matter my provision they still froze on this hill. I’ve tested this off stream which is why i was confident in these findings on live stream.
So you’re talking about a target speed, but that was just a speed I was planning to
Switch. Also keep in mind, I was on stream monitoring chat while doing all this at the same time. The OHD test was running fine and abruptly dropped off, but the result in any test is the same. I’ve run this plenty of times. This was done on a live stream.
Run the test yourself. This already has been confirmed by other testers.
Contrary to popular believe, tyres don't have the most grip when they don't slip. They have the most grip when they slip at a certain threshold. Of course this varies greatly, but having your setup whether irl or games aimed at no slip won't give you the most grip. Talking about tarmac or other closed surfaces. But even on dirt you want slip, but explaining that takes too much words for a comment.
That makes sense. I understand what you mean
3:50 I was not ready for this 😅
Ya the live stream viewers do some crazy stuff lol
Nice vid, were they dlc tyres you were using? Was watching at 4:30 this morning so could be wrong 🤷♂️ 🇬🇧
The tires are listed on every test. Yes I was using the DLC tires for some of these
Thank you for sharing the data, always very informative!
You're welcome :)
Am really struggling using the p12 for logging. Will try this, but I never thought how complex the mechanics are
It’s pretty complex, and the P12 is challenging to use, but it really is a great truck if your expectations aren’t set too high
@@NProvince well I play since steam release and I’m on my 3rd playthrough. Because of your channel I started to try all the underwhelming at first sight trucks. So far the p12 disappointed but I guess I’ll try the tires. It feels so counterintuitive 😂
@@NProvince so my test mission is the logging mission where you have to deliver 4 medium and 2 long to the sawmill.
Medium logs + trailer on the JAT MHS2 mudtires had wheel lockups on even ground.
OHD1 with long logs worked better, but still had lockups.
OHD2 Chains caused me some issues with mud traversing, but provided just enough slip for the big hill.
I took an extra long route so see the different terrains.
In conclusion the P12 feels still underwhelming but it was fun to make it work. That said I work a lot and don’t have that much time, I guess I’ll use more versirtile trucks in future because it safes time
Edit: OHD1 feels like the best option for me
@@elin0s So all those options you are using are high friction values. In the video I dropped the Tires down to Alterain JAT doubles to prevent wheel lockups. I would try that.
@@NProvince well I haven’t tried but it felt like the mud in Yukon would be to much for all terrain. Since the big hill is just part of the journey I want a good middle way.
Is it possible we are misunderstanding the concept of power to weight ratio ? Better PWR just mean better acceleration, not better ability to pull overall. Anyone correct me if im wrong.
I dont think so because better p2w would also produce better pulling power (by having more availble p2w overhead) and acceleration. You wouldnt just have one and not the other. I beleive you would see increases in both. At what increments? That probably depends on the gearing as well
1:55
this is exactly what i've been experiecing with the P12 lately. I thought it just semeed ridiculous for a truck that should be... so powerful to struggle that much, even on much less steep hills than the one showed here.
This video is 7 months old but could you give me your opinion on the Pacific trucks family and other similar trucks with such lower power to weight ratio? Should they be buffed to compensate or is downgrading tires the way to go? It just sounds a little unfair that this thing can get out performed by smaller trucks.
Oh also... what's the name of this test map on the mod site?
I do think the Pacific trucks should be helped out some for sure, but not too much. As of now, downgrading tires is the way to go and it’s actually feels good in practice. Also the test map is private that a friend owns. On previous streams of season 13 you’ll see me use the P-12 with all terrain tires and have a lot of success. It may lose a tad mud performance but it helps with pulling quite a bit
I never had a power issue with the P12, but I only use all-terrain and offroad tires with it
Thats big Brain stuff!
@@NProvince it is simple, even on icy hills, if I start to struggle, I just slow down, the devs have done everything they could to incentivize going slowly
I first thought about this some months ago when I failed to climb a slope with the P12 and I saw the tires unable to spin.
I am running the Real Life Mod so I can use the Ken Super tires on the P13 that are worse than the ones I was using at that time and it climbed the hill perfectly with the new and downgraded tires.
I yet have to test if for mud it’s the same for low P2W trucks or mud tires are still preferred in mud.
Have you done any testing?
Mud tests are a lil
Slower naturally because the tire is less grippy, but it’s not bad
Thanks Nathan 🙋♂️. Is this the same with P12 and it's own tires AT P12?
I believe its similar, but the JATS or the Regular AT doubles work better
When S10 has just came out, I also noticed that Kenworth has less problems climbing hills with LK-2NY equipped on its custom tires. I thought this is because they are bigger...
I think the customs are the pick nowadays:)
@@NProvince idk, I prefer to not having to winch myself through a muddy bog. Used the KW963 today and it absolutely struggled in the eastern part of the Pineline Bay.
I've actually been doing this with trucks like the WS 47X NF 1424 (which always behaved like crap) and it makes them so much better. Some trucks are legitimately designed to be highway trucks and they perform their role well, despite all odds.
They probably work really well with all terrains, but for those trucks; they have the power to operate with the off-road tires
@@NProvince Yeah, the big issue with the 1424 for me is it never seems to have enough grip offroad. Therefore I just let it be my highway child 🙏
So I was messing with this the other day, in a situation where the P12 hauling two loads of medium logs got axle freeze. I edited the torque of the truck (gave it about %40 more) and tried again, the same thing happened. Next I doubled the torque and attempted the same test and it STILL happened. With double the torque the thing probably would have had a higher power to weight than anything else in the game so there is still something I am not understanding. Also do you know what the Angular Velocity delta is representing? I see in the game files a parameter with the engines called "MaxDeltaAngVel" but from what I have seen it is set to .01 for every engine and I am not sure what it does. The P12 specifically behaves like the clutch is let out too soon or something.
Hmm that is really crazy information there. So to my limited knowledge the angular velocity is essentially a wheel speed and with that speed is a torque value. Im sure you already know that so with low gears the aim is to try and stay at 100% or max speed in that gear to achieve the best torque from that setting. Seeing that 40% more power still stalled... Is kinda wild!
What about the other p12 all terrain tire? Not the jat ones
Just looking at stats, those have 0.2 lower mud rating, so prob the jat is slightly better all-rounder.
I've tried those as well, they worked as well, just not as well. Could be because they had more ground pressure being a single tire perhaps
interesting. How about testing smaller tire diameters? Smaller tires should have better gearing right?
So gearing is around the same because the gearboxes are set. the wheel speeds might differ I believe pending on wheel size
no I mean using smaller diameter tires provides better gearing for pulling because of the shorter lever that a smaller radius provides. Has nothing to do with the gearbox. @@NProvince
I mean it could have an effect perhaps
new test!! :)@@NProvince
How do I get this test map
It’s a private map from a friend, but there are a lot of other good test maps out there
I tried this out in Yukon today with the kenworth on ice and it works
That’s awesome!
I find that with the Ken 963 that I don't have to go into low at all. Just downshift to 1/5 in auto and it'll crawl.
So according to the gear ratios that I’ve learned is 1st gear is essentially low+. Hey is it works for you then use it
So why would you use these trucks anyway then?
Well a lot of folks like these trucks a lot tbh. Also in my humblest opinion, I don’t like playing super good trucks because it just makes the game too easy for me. I do like these trucks that have issues. I like trying to make them
Work I guess
is there any replacement for JAT ATHD III for this method? because I don't have this DLC and I don't really want to buy it -__-
Yep you can use the P12 AT tires. They are singles so the lateral stability benefits aren’t there, but they work very similar
Huh I'll have to keep this trick in mind. I always kept the 963 on its default tires for the extra few inches (and it just looks better), but now I have another reason on top of that.
Yep! I’m going back to its customs as well!
Unfortunately putting the 963 through the Amur steel beam run did not prove fruitful. Despite the 71 inch tires it still got stuck in the exact same place as everything else.
3 metal beams and with a trailer? Keep in mind that this is not just a blind fix. It’s situational and also consider that this method was using an extended fuel tank with no trailer. If you were hauling with a trailer as well keep in mind that you’re also carrying much more weight with a trailer and that trailer creates a lot of drag as well.
I wasn't even carrying steel beams or even a trailer. I was trying to unblock the path. There is this one spot that looks super unassuming but its what kills my runs every single time. Its just a few rocks in the path on a hill, but nothing can get over them, not even a 963. Most success I've had was trying to daisy chain 2 trucks together so that the first one gets pushed over that one spot, and then the first one pulls the other one over.
What expansion or map Do i get the kenworth?
Season 10 British Columbia
Season 10 British Columbia
Im starting to think that just because many trucks are given mud tire options, doesnt mean they are the default best. I mean makes sense that wide flotation wheels arent suitable for pulling heavy loads, like in real life with farming tractors.
I use wide wheels when in soft areas as to not sink ir damage the ground, but if im pulling heavy trailers im better off using standard width tyres. More power to the smaller surface area.
I feel silly not realising that ingame now
I felt kinda silly as well. Im glad this was presented to us. Its a good situational use case for these trucks that struggle with power
I understand there may be conditions where too much grip is detrimental to progression, but somehow I have a hard time understanding how you can move up such a steep incline by having less grip with trucks that have low power-to-weight ratio in the first place. This is one of those things where I'm never sure if it's "just a game thing" or if the same conditions are effectively applicable in real life. Thanks for this video, though, it's all very interesting! Cheers! //Rick
Hey Rick. So you're right, this is really just for certain conditions to make low powered trucks useful in conditions on slopes. This is an exagerated test for sure, but its just to show folks that the P12 and other trucks can be made better in these situations. Also I think you're right on the fact that its just a game thing. IRL you would always choose grip logically, but no one would take on grade (slope) of this sort with that tonnage. SR trucks can do some crazy things i guess lol
I was waiting for this lol, great testing, maybe we will see some people using AT tyres for the weaker trucks
Thanks man! I was gonna make it more of an edited video, but I just did it on stream
@@NProvince It got the point across so I think it's fine
Using smaller tyres should help. Tyre size is the final step of gear ratio.
Like the Pacific P12 man I can’t stand that dang thing I used it in Taymyr to do a rare achievement for the game and it was a nightmare to use any slight Roll to one side and it’s game over
Use doubles instead of singles.
I would use the doubles for increased stability
@@NProvince yeah makes sense
This is very interesting stuff!
Thank you!
2 questions- why do the tire labels start with 0 instead of 1? 😅😂. And 2nd- how are you streaming on ps5? 🤔
Labels staring with 0 instead of 1? And no I don’t stream on PS5. I actually play PC with a PS controller
They start at 0 because it's a debug visualization probably put in by a programmer, rather than a UI person, and computers generally start things at 0
@@NProvince oh wow, I would never do that 😅😆. But ok, whatever fits you ;)
@@killerbee.13 thanks ! 👍
if not for your videos, i would have never known the game simulates a torque curve. now granted it seems to be based more on speed than engine rpm, but its good to know
Im just glad I could help
This is nice, but are you really going to risk this knowing you will probably be stuck just ahead in a puddle because you have less grip? Still, nice info.
Actually I doubt you’ll be stuck in a puddle. There isn’t much loss in mud. Also using the JAT ATHDs are wider so therefore you don’t sink as much. Also I’ve went though some really bad conditions with highway tires and difflock. I showed this technique on my randomizer playthrough with the fleetstar (on the yt channel).
It's simple, bigger or better wheels and you need more torque to move it... This is what I don't like about Snowrunner. L should have more torque, not H. L- the most, L+ a little less, but still more than Auto or H. You could also check H, there is much more torque there.
I agree. So when I tried H and ran it up; it still gives way with these trucks on this one
So, in real life, tyres don't spin perfectly with the surface. They slip, going around corners and in straight lines (accel and braking). There is an ideal ratio of slip where the tyres provide them most grip. I have no clue how well, if at all, that SR models this, but the theory checks out. You can literally have too much grip, where a vehicle, truck in this instance, is power limited.
If they would use a proper transmission this wouldn't happen as trucks like the Pacific's and big kenworth would have such massive gear reductions they would have more then enough power to spin the tires on that hill for a game from the spin tires series you sure can't spin the tires
Ya I would opt for the bonus torque to be in lower gears
so wait.... do you mean that highway tires going to be actually useful in some cases? :D xD
I’m not sure, but I have had success with highway tires on other playthroughs that are on my
Channel
Lol if only this game was playable on console. I miss it so much
Im sorry to hear that
It works just fine on console for me.
In reality you would have snapped yokes and u joints
I believe it
Always advocated for the 963's unique tires... As i advocate for a lot of the unique tires in game. A lot of this could be more intuitive if they just did things in a more normal fashion with other driving games (and how things actually work). My latest frustration has been the lack of properly working suspensions in the game, almost none of it works correctly. Lots of mod trucks from the "better" devs have properly working suspensions. Pure lazyness from sabre.
Ready for another little tease? I keep dropping in here lol. Tire weight has zero effect on the ability of the truck to move under its own power unlike an external load or body. Should try some tires that weigh 50,000kg each... :P
The devs use this to artificially handicap or buff trucks depending on tire set access. The above case is a bit extreme and doesnt work great on deep mud, but its funny on hard surfaces.
So from what I have been coming to understand about wheel weights is that they have an effect on increasing the effective power just by being heavier. I've noticed this with 3 trucks in particular. Im going to make a video on this actually
@@NProvince really debating a vid myself at some point soon but just dont have time or a real channel. Still got a few tricks up the old sleeve I feel.
Look forward to yours!
Great video (but man, those sound effects are super annoying). Having too much grip doesn't really make any sense, but the results seem to speak for themselves 🙂. Even after seeing this, I wouldn't run the All Terrains because you'd seldom be in a position where conditions like this are a factor. In the "lab conditions" here, it is clearly worth putting those tires on, but when playing the actual maps I can't see the upside of running the All Terrains. I tend to always run Offroad tires whenever possible. Thanks for posting this!
Sorry about the blerps. They are stream effects people (viewers ) use on live stream.
@@NProvince All good, no worries! The video had a lot of useful info in there. I'm slowly chugging away playing the regions in order. I'm half way through the Glades. I'll catch up eventually. 😉
P12 and Kenworth power is very disappointing for their size.
With this change they actually feel good
Shame the P12 customs are singles.
Doubles would we cool
So buying jack of all trades tires is a hoax.🙈🙈
Not sure what you mean
Eeeehhh ???? AWD ON KENWORTH 2nd try, first try AWD off 🤔
I cut the video before cycling to that option on the first video. Also from prior testing off stream (this recording being on live stream) I felt confident in the consistency of the findings. You can check out the full testing today when the stream vod appears on UA-cam at 8 am EST. Also we looked over the FEMM vs 605R findings as well. :)
@@NProvince oh ok, I think I got it 😃 thx for reply 👍🏼
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Nice!