The best thing to come out of all of this was that tweet where someone announced they were leaving the fandom because they only shipped them because of black mold in their house and once it was cleared they realized how crazy it was.
HELP?????? i love the saga of twitter users announcing that they no longer did strange and erratic things bc a toxin in the house was removed (see also: that one person who had a gas leak right next to their bed for years and apologized for their lack of wacky posting once it was removed)
this sentiment omg! i still see people not understanding this! has no one learned anything from the heartstoppers/kit connor situation?! *i know other members of the LGBTQIA+ community can & have faced much more frequent & more egregious treatment so this is in no way making any comparisons* as a bisexual person it so sad and frustrating how much biphobia and bierasure there is. it truly upsets me when people say things like “we only want gay people playing gay roles” or claiming someone as queer baiting just by playing a gay role… or even when people blew up on billie eilish… for her at 20 y/o making a video with a bunch of her girlfriends that “gave queer vibes” i don’t disagree but who are we to give a fuck? like there’s so much harm to that.. more harm then the potential queer baiting… and that mentality sets us back. i think it has to be the outliers bc i know the majority of my community understands how ridiculous it is. i’ve been saying this since i was a child - before i even identified with the LGBTQIA - why the hell is it so normalized/why is the world so messed up that people care so much about how others love and live so much that we HAVE to identify who the fuck we are with SEXUALLY. like where is the class in society. we don’t need to know everyone’s business like this. i’m glad we’ve taken identifying/labeling or not labeling back as something that’s FOR us because it’s a very personal thing that really only matters to oneself, and the potential partners. our society needs to stop its obsession and stop feeling so damn entitled to know everything about everyone.
That’s something that pisses me off a lot, as a bisexual person myself. The larries, in their own minds, are trying to force people out of the closet when they clearly don’t want to confirm anything. Even if Larry was real, that doesn’t justify forcing anyone to come out. That and the fetishization of things feel homophobic, any real allies would never try to out people
as someone who was in bandom and saw a lot of ships like larry this is always my stance if they wanted people to know they would have said it if not its nor your business
with peace and love, us fans have zero power in forcing someone to come out, all this info is PUBLIC, and we have no way to even directly communicate with celebrities. the media has always been the one to out people by publishing rumors to start drama
There's some hope because a lot of them were just teens with underdeveloped brains who've hopefully grown up and out of it, but there were definitely people in their 20s and 30s and that kinda does scare me
Or maybe we actually saw things happening to make us think they were in a real relationship? When Harry and any woman walk down the street together they must be dating but when Harry and Louis walked down the street with Harry’s arm around Louis and they are holding hands then they are just friends. The face caresses, thigh caresses, winks, kisses blown, hand holding, caresses ‘hidden’ behind a table all mean nothing?
@@threeangels9318It does mean nothing to you. Because whether their relationship was romantic or strictly platonic, it was theirs. Not the fans' and not the fans' business. They've outright asked to be left alone in regards to this, so it's very weird to see people who claim to support these artists continually engage in the same problematic behavior.
@@Kris.K610 That’s not what the op of this thread is implying. The are suggesting that anyone who thinks Larry was real is gullible and are the type of person that are prayed on by cults.
Let’s not forget the fan who got a hold of Louis’ number, called him and said «I hope your baby dies.» because he wouldn’t follow her on twitter. He said he had the phonecall on recording and would be contacting his lawyers. She was like «Oh my God, no, I’m so sorry.» Like, girl, actions have consequences.
@debbiehamilton7529 you can't just say something is a hoax and then not elaborate. Anyways, Cosmopolitan posted an article about this incident, and the clip can still be listened to.
no but i literally wrote a 40 page paper in college about larries and how the language and logical fallacies they utilize directly mirror that of more obviously dangerous conspiracy theories
As a KPop fan...this behaviour never changes. It's really disturbing what people make up in their minds and spread online just because they have some kind of weird fetish fantasy.
The big difference is that kpop idols absolutely cannot be out. It's impossible, it's out of the realm of possibilities. Harry and Louis could come out if all of this was true. There's no reasonable reason to think they would put up with 250 beards and a whole fake baby. However if you're a Korean idol ? Nope, you can never come out. The only one who's out is Holland and he has a very small career.
I remember the absolute chaos of 2min, and when Minho did a show with Suli (rip) people swore that he was dating Suli (they never dated) because she looked like Taemin and it got absolutely out of hand
also something important to add is that korean relationships and friendships are very different from what western people are used to and it was something that shocked and amazed me when i first got into kpop. men hugging men, holding hands, being very affectionate physically is seen as normal and not sexualized, and it's something that some western fans have a hard time understanding. i remember when i first got into bts and saw any interaction between jungkook and jimin (for example) and thought "larries would sh-t their pants if they saw something like this" lmao
@@karlabrandao4799I remember someone once said that if you were to show a larrie any interaction between the bts members it would be like giving crack cocaine to a toddler 😭
@@rafasuperti why would they still have to lie? It’s been YEARS since one direction ended. Both he and Harry have different management now. And even if Louis is gay that doesn’t mean he can’t have a son with Brianna, Freddie looks exactly like him
Terrified of people who openly harass and ship real people. You can like the idea of people's chemistry and vibes without HARASSING THEM AND TRYING TO CONVINCE OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEIR BABY ISN'T REAL
Same 😭 and bro I’m the kind of person that loves seeing the people I like interact but I’m a kpop fan and there’s a HUGE amount of shippers in our community so I’ll find these different accounts that post really cute videos of different members interacting but then I’ll find out 6 months later that they actually ship the two kpop idols 😭 it’s happened too damn often
THIS imagine bullying a 4 year old child as an adult (the way some of them are mothers and have full time jobs) who will never begin to be able to defend himself. it's sick.
I think shipping real people can be harmless and non-toxic, but Larries take it way too far, man. In my favourite band's fanbase, shipping exists, but it is very self-contained and the few times the members of the band have heard about it, they've said it's OK, just keep things like fan fic away from them, which we do. On the very rare occasion that someone has taken it too far, they're widely condemned by the large majority of the fanbase. Nobody likes the folks who take it too far. We see it as a game/hobby and write fan fic and draw art about it, but in our actual interactions with the guys, we don't bring it up or harass them in any way. I don't actually believe any of the ships of this band that I partake in online, it's just fun to think about is all. We know for a fact that 3 out of 4 of the members are straight men, the 4th guy is a bit up in the air because he talks openly about being attracted to men but has never labelled himself. And the majority of the fanbase would never ask him to label himself either, or force anything out of him at all. I'm honestly very proud of the way we handle things. Larries take something that is meant to be a game, and turn it into this horrible harassment campaign against Harry and Louis, and it's so sad to see. And I don't pretend to be holier than thou either, I haven't always been how I should with ships. When I was 14 in 2012, I shipped Dan and Phil super hard and it was the only ship I ever fully, 100% believed in. I was conspiracy level with them, not quite to the extent of Larries thankfully, but conspiracy level all the same, and I know for a fact that I directly caused drama in the Phandom once that ended up reaching Phil. I have felt so bad for years about that. But yeah, as someone who's been both a toxic shipper in a toxic fandom, and is now someone who tries to be as respectful as possible in a much more respectful fandom, I've seen both sides and I can tell you now, I don't think shipping real people is the problem personally. The problem is when people actually believe the ship and take it really far, instead of just, y'know, having fun with it and treating it like the game it is supposed to be.
@xotbirdox As a continuing phandom member, I really feel for the two of them getting caught up in nonsense. I feel like any and all ship talk regarding real people/the personas of real people should start and end with the comfort/consent of that person. If they say "sure knock yourselves out" go wild, go crazy, go stupid. If they say "sure but keep it away from me" I appreciate the fans who actually accept and take that boundary in stride. Many don't, and that's always a huge shame. But if that person says "stop it makes me uncomfortable" FUCKING STOP. I had a friend (emphasis on "had") who didn't respect being told no, yet had a history of abusive relationships and hugely denounced r*pe culture...and she really didn't like when I asked her why "no means no" didn't apply to her overstepping this boundary. I agree with you tbh, shipping real people/their personas can be done in a non-toxic way, but usually when it gets to conspiracy/obsession levels of belief and engagement, it can't *not* impact that person's real life.
Lmao it felt like that when I was in the depths of it for real. Leaving it behind was a weight lifted of my shoulders. Being too attached too a fandom is toxic.
Im fucking cackling- I remember reading a larry wattpad fanfic when I was 14- in which the authors fantasized about Larry assassinating their manager and eloping
So many things going on here: 1. The idea that men can only be affectionate with a romantic partner. 2. Women, particularly straight women, fetishizing gay men. 3. Bi erasure. Even if Harry and Louis were together that doesn't mean that they couldn't be with women. 4. Tons of misogyny, probably out of jealousy. The girlfriends of male singers tend to be attractive, most likely more attractive than the fangirls. This is speculation on my part but I think some female fans like the idea of their favorite male celebrities being gay because it means that they never had a chance of being with them. There's no rejection or insecurity that they're not pretty enough. 5. Hypocrisy. Claiming to be supportive of gay rights but still trying to force people to come out. 6. The delusions of parasoial relationships. You may like Harry or Louis music and my follow them on social media but you don't actually know them. They are not your friends. You have nothing to do with their personal lives. Also if Eleanor, Freddie, etc are paid actors then why do the fans care? Why harass them online? If they're just being paid to be there then just leave them be until their contracts expire.
i was a larry fan but i left the fandom once people started claiming freddy wasn’t real. i was never an active shipper, just an admirer. the fandom was truly toxic
I was a Larry fan too. When people started debating the existence of Freddie or wether he was actually Louis' son I was revolted - Freddie never asked to be in the middle of this yet when he grows older and one day he wants to watch old videos of his dad or even if he just searches up his dad there will be these disgusting comments saying Freddie's not real, Louis is not his son he's going to be left so confused and hurt. Like if his documentary did not confirm the love and the existence of his own child then they need a wake up call because I don't know what more could be done to prove he's an actual living being that has feelings
As a person who thought this could maybe?perhaps?be true????maybe?? for a little while back in the day, my exit was also the Babygate. I still remember reading Larrie reactions and being horrified to my core. And the fact that they STILL exist gives me so much creeps.
Same here, I was In The Trenches but seeing all the wild and extreme theories around Babygate once Freddie was born and stuff kinda snapped me out of it. It's bizarre to me that in 2023 people are still harrassing them about this
same i used to love Larry and how cute their friendship was. Babygate definitely ruined everything and how toxic the fandom got. it’s sad how Louis and harry don’t feel comfortable talking to each other now because of the toxicity.
the craziest thing about Larry is that my conservative pastor father believed it, when 1D broke up he came into my room and told me it was because louis and Harry were secretly a couple, and that was what destroyed the band
a couple things to add on. in 2016 when larries were basically criticizing louis' parenting because he was always in the uk, using it as evidence of larry, in reality his mom was dying of cancer. and they made his and his family's lives more difficult. another thing is the stalking incidents. I don't know if they've just been wiped from tumblr but there was a period of time where larries were stalking freddie to get evidence he was not real.
I know this is a unpopular opinion but I’ve always believed the baby is real. Insane I know but that’s just my opinion. Don’t kill me but I think the human infant is real.
the thing that annoys me it shouldn't even be an unpopular opinion - it shouldn't even be questioned his existence - he's a real living being. I know their management was cruel but they wouldn't try to fake a child.
from ages 12-14 i was a larrie big time (reading fan fics, watching deep dives, etc) and hearing somebody explain everything after stepping back makes me realize how bizzare it really is 💀💀
literally me. this video unlocked memories i forgot i had about larry and all the conspiracies and it makes me feel guilty for how delusional i was when i was younger.
I was never a larrie because to me it seemed so overhyped and crazed😭 but teenage me genuinely believed Zayn had a crush on Liam when the band first debuted
I think a lotta people have forgotten that real people can’t be analyzed like fictional characters. All the signs Larry is real would be believable if we were talking about fictional characters but these are real people. Real people are complicated and nuanced.
The chicken parmesan thing is so funny. My sister hates cooking, so whenever she has a friend over, she gives them mac n cheese and/or pancakes, cuz those are the only things she can prepare
Almost all my friends have had my chili because it's easy to make so I make it anytime I have to cook for someone. I can't imagine someone using the fact that I made someone chili as proof I'm dating them. I think having one or two dishes you're good at making and making them for everyone you know is common especially when you're young.
fucking hell i can still recite the chicken stuffed with mozarella thing complete with the hand gestures what is wrong with me😭😭 why can't i have a normal history of fandoms....
What’s funny is that when they deny Larry aggressively the fans are like they’re being too defensive and when they’re being gentler about denying it they’re like omg Larry confirmed lol
what aggravates me about larries is that they’re predominantly made up of young girls and women yet are responsible for some of the most vile displays of misogyny i’ve seen on the internet. it’s surely internalised and something i hope they can all overcome eventually but the way they’ve continually taken their senseless anger out on the very real girlfriends of these two men over fictional accounts of their lives is really unsettling. the most recent to fall victim is taylor russell and seeing the nasty, racist vitriol she’s facing from people who claim to “love” harry styles but can’t begin to fathom that he could be happy in a relationship with her genuinely does make me sick.
ugh this is so true. I hate seeing people bully these women and claim they do it to "protect" Harry/Louis from some omnipresent evil invented by larries themselves. These are grown men, you can be a fan, but you don't know them personally, they don't need to be saved from conspiracy theories made by 13-year-olds. I feel like the only reason larries care so much is that they can't stand the idea of Harry & Louis with another woman and it has nothing to do with an actual love and concern for your idol. The worst thing is they will never understand how toxic this is and call you a fake fan if you dare to disagree with them.
FR. I'm sort of a larrie - i believe they were together at some point - but it infuriates me when people just cannot accept that they've dated/been happy with other people, especially women. The other larries and their behavior prevent me from saying that I believe that theory, because i don't want to be associated with the overanalyzers, harrasers, biphobics, delusional people, and especially people who don't believe in freddy. outside of believing in the theory due to evidence I've seen, i don't participate in any other "larry" behavior
@@arabellas70s Why is it always that we have a fetish? Do you actually know what that means? So if you think “hmm I think that man might be in a relationship with that woman” it’s fine. Nothing sexual about it, not a fetish. But when people think “hmm I think that man might be in a relationship with that man” it’s a fetish?
i was never a directioner but i have been very autistic and gullible my whole life. i thought all the "show larry your support!" posts were genuine and i reblogged them because i just wanted to be an ally you know 💀
no bc they really act like (and i think genuinely believe, that's the worst part) that what they're doing is good for Louis and Harry😭 like they seriously, genuinely (see what i did there?) believe them straight up stalking the two dudes and making up conspiracies about their lives is going to make them feel... safer about coming out? or something??? which, bruh, even if i *was* in a secret relationship, a large crowd of people being downright OBSESSED with it and watching my every move for "clues" that it's true would make me feel anything but safe??
Larry is what taught me not to ship real people, like i remember as a kid looking at some of the conspiracies And this was YEARS before the baby, thinking to myself "hmmm..... maybe this has gotten out of hand" . Like people are actually insane and i didn't even think about how the child would feel seeing all of it, like i wonder if any of the OG shippers are embarrassed 😭💀
We aren’t shipping them, we believe that even if they aren’t together now (they could be, who knows) they were most likely a couple during 1D. I didn’t think “oh they would look cute together” but saw things and thought “I bet they are a couple”.
@@threeangels9318 HONESTLY! People need to understand this: the bluegreeners are the ones who "ship" them. they're the ones who participate in all the unethical behavior. the larries simply believe they were together. bluegreeners are larries but not all larries are bluegreeners.
@@threeangels9318So you’re saying you’re just basically rewriting history in your head until Harry or Louis personally tells you to f*ck off? That’s even worse.
I just hate that the Larries never consider that it's none of their business. All of this could be true (though unlikely), but that DOESN'T MATTER because no one should have to disclose their sexuality, or the details of their pregnancy, or so on?? No one is entitled to that information. And it's even useless for me to say this because I know it's more about what's going on the fans' personal lives i.e they could be suffering from mental illness, be using these narratives as intense escapism. It's such a complicated issue with so many moving parts it makes me dizzy.
from someone that was into that side they genuinely think they have an "in" like that h&l secretly communicate with them and that they're friends. i'm cringing writing this but there was a genuine belief that someday they'd reach out and invite all the larries to a wedding or party or something. it was bananas. i remember someone got ahold of a phone number saying it was a number for the bears or whatever and my friends and i texting it. which is toxic omg please universe forgive me!! but my friends that were very invested believed one day they'd get a text back and it'd be a huge thing. there was so much entitlement! like thinking fans were friends with them and had inside scoops and personal relationships.
the real illness is the para social relationships these delusion fans think they have. Taylor is facing the same problem with gaylor even after saying she was only an ally in the community. Harry too simply as a by product of larry stylinson. It’s getting out of hand and I hope one day an artist speaks out on it. Personally I hope louis does as it’s effected him the most
@@promisemochi Where are you getting this bullshit from? I don’t know of any Larrie who thinks Harry and Louis are our friends and we expect an invite to their wedding. As for the phone number for RBB and SBB, the phone number was shown with the bears, we didn’t make it up. The number is still valid and you can still leave a message. I know the bears sound crazy but Larrie’s weren’t the ones doing anything with the bears. We weren’t the ones having one of the bears get their picture taken with one of Harry’s childhood friends at a gay bar, across the street where Louis was seen with fans. 🤷♀
@@threeangels9318 back in 2016-2018 that's how it was. people genuinely thought they'd get a text message from that number and be invited to a big huge wedding or party or something "exclusive" just for larries to be a part of. they genuinely saw things as harry and louis secretly trying to "communicate" with the larries and that larries had all this insider information because they were "closer" with h&l than other fans. it was a huge deal when i was a "tumblr larry" back in those dark times. so please just stop it.
@@threeangels9318 you can take all the evidence you want, but at the end of the day none of that is your bussiness, and you now are harassing people on a video that if you didn't like you could have just not seen
@@saraluciaforerogarcia don’t even try to change their mind. Spent 3 days writing paragraphs after paragraphs disproving and debunking their claims, and they _still_ didn’t change. It was like yelling at a brick wall.
I knew the Larry fandom was unhinged but this is just...I have no words. I feel so bad for Harry, Louis, Breanna, Eleanor, Freddie...just basically every single person that has been actively _harmed_ because of the mass delusions and conspiracy theories surrounding a "theory" that two men are gay. I really wish people would step back and think about how, while claiming to support two men that they believe are closeted, they're actively ruining the lives _of_ those two men. Edit: I really wish I could lock the comments on this, good lord
it’s crazy because it seems to have affected every member of the band on some level. Niall recently spoke about his relationship and says he keeps it private because “there’d be all these theories”😭 these guys are traumatized and i can see why. they don’t even want to share anything anymore because people always ruin it. i just hope everyone affected is able to heal from this.
@@1D4LIFE to even insinuate there’s a possibility that someone doesn’t exist is awful. an ACTOR? for a child?? this kind of behavior is genuinely concerning… please touch grass.
@@1D4LIFE maybe believe the parents of said child? the whole “idk what to believe” doesn’t really hold up when you’re questioning the existence of a human being😭 it’s harmful and wrong in so many ways. you might not outright be saying “freddie’s not real” but even mentioning the “slim chance he’s not” is still weird. i’m really not trying to be rude here, just sounds like you need a reality check because this way of thinking is incredibly toxic.
@@1D4LIFE Is it possible people are just using the wrong wording? Instead the wording may be should be "non biological" son or "biological" son. Louis has stepped up be responsible for this beautiful child.
@@1D4LIFE glad you think so. I just want to be respectful to the lovely young lad! I can see how a person would wonder with some of the things I have seen them do this past year on stage. :) and I never knew 1D!
You hit the nail on the head on why people like RPF; it's a way to enjoy the self-insert parts of fanfic while still keeping a safe distance from actually imagining yourself in romantic or sexual scenarios. I think what crosses the line is when the people being written about actually become aware of and/or become involved in the material (i.e. when others show them fan art/fiction/blogs/etc and ask for their opinions on it, or the stories that fans read shift from explicit fiction to actual theories about these people's lives.) RPF has the potential to be harmless, as long as those creating and consuming that content are able to separate fiction from real life- which becomes more difficult when 1. the people involved are often very young, and 2. the content involves real people and speculations about real events. Anyway, fantastic stuff as always Ashley! As someone who grew up in fandom circles, I appreciate hearing lore about those circles I wasn't familiar with, without having to hear someone condescend to the idea of "cringey" fandom or fans as a whole.
Idk something about it still feel ethically icky to me… you can still feel like a fly on a wall with fictional ships and fics why bring real people into it? Idk I just feel like if people were writing stories about me (smutty or not) I would feel very uncomfortable and I know not everyone feels that way but you don’t know who does and doesn’t so avoiding it seems like the most respectful and logical option. Also I feel like we REALLY dehumanize celebrities and treat them with very little privacy, and often don’t respect their boundaries and I think we have to remember that these are actually human beings not just icons to look up to and fantasize about.
@@remytherat2929 yeah, for me I'd be worried that fanfiction would feed into that slippery slope all celebrities have to deal with where people are so sure the caricatures theyve made of me are real that their ideas would then bleed into real life and convince them I'd act a certain way or want certain things. Its like a physical copy of what goes down in stalkers heads lol
@@remytherat2929yeah it’s definitely going to be dehumanizing either way, but one group is dehumanizing in then “this RPF fanfic I’m writing is like I’m smashing my Barbie’s together and making them kiss” so they at least recognize it isn’t reality. (I was in the Dan and Phil fandom, so through exposure I learned the nuance between fans writing silly vampire AUs vs the people claiming the wrinkles on Phil’s bed proved he wasn’t sleeping in it)
@@remytherat2929 I think RPF is most acceptable if the people involved have larger-than-life public personas (i.e. pro wrestlers, KISS, or visual kei musicians) and the stories are about the personas only. No real people involved, nobody gets hurt. It’s a bit thornier, but still acceptable, if the real people are put in obviously fantastical situations (i.e. magical girl Taylor Swift, One Direction as Jack Sparrow-like pirates, BTS crewing a starship). This at least represents a firm disconnect of reality and fantasy, and shows the celebrities getting romantic with each other in the fantasy space only. When you start writing what you imagine the real lives of real people are like, though . . . that’s when the lines between reality and fantasy get a lot more blurry, and there’s more risk of feeding people’s distorted perceptions of reality.
Haven't started watching yet, but the funny thing about the whole baby gate situation is that they seem to forget that bisexuality exists. Never mind the fact that the obsession with Larry and harassing anyone involved with Louis or Harry was weird and creepy as hell, they were so quick to say a baby was fake when a queer man can have a biological child and still be queer.
No, literally, they dug themselves into a hole with it. They could‘ve chosen anything from Brianna being a suropgate to larry’s baby to them briefly breaking up. Instead, they were so sure that Louis wouldn’t acknowledge pregnancy, then that the baby wouldn’t be born, then that the baby was a doll, then that the baby would turn out not to be his. And here they are in 2023 trying to explain why 7-year-old Freddie is in Louis’ documentary
@@hskingdommm2597 Yup. I feel like some even tried to argue with Louis' mom when she was still alive that her grandson didn't exist. As you said, there were a ton of options they could've went with with Brianna being a surrogate or Larry briefly breaking up. Instead they tried to say the baby would never be born as you said, was a doll, wasn't his, and in some cases, wasn't Brianna's either. Like, it was a friend's kid that they were pretending was Louis', Meanwhile there'd be pictures non Larries posted where Freddie looked a lot like a young Louis.
@@Heather_Duke They’re saying that it’s because all white kids look the same (sic). And yeah they try to argue with Jay! I remember they even found a p*rn video with a blond woman vaguely resembling Brianna and sent it to Jay and Louis’ underage sisters so that they could convince Louis to get a paternity test. Babygate is by far the worst part of the larry conspiracy, just so vile
A big thing about these type of shippers is that they hate women. If Harry dates a woman, that woman is likely prettier and more successful than they are by a mile. Seeing him with them makes them jealous and insecure about themselves. So they prefer to believe he is completely out of their reach. So bisexuality isn't an option. He has to be gay. You can tell by how evil they imagine their girlfriends to be. They could easily think of them as friends helping their poor gay artist friend out. But instead Eleanor, Olivia, Brianna, Camille are presented as attention seeking evil, racist harpies. They hate their girlfriends.
@@TheaDoraRosa That's definitely true, unfortunately. Even now, years later, it still goes on. Most recently we saw them hating on Olivia when she and Harry dated.
i vividly remember going to see louis' documentary and there are a couple moments in it where he's playing with freddie and there were seriously people who got up and walked out of the theatre. it was insane to me that people truly wouldn't support louis because of his child. honestly, i don't even think that the larries are even really fans of actual louis and harry, but only the version they made up in their heads. people will also say disgusting shit about how freddie can't be real because then louis would be a terrible father and its so heinous. like do you even like him???? also maybe its just what i see on twitter but they're seemingly way more critical of louis compared to harry. i don't really know why but i do think that its interesting to think about.
This is completely false. I’m a Larrie and I saw Louis documentary and I stayed the whole time. I care about Harry and Louis as people separate and together no matter what.
@@laurennnsavageee_when something doesn't apply to you specifically ot doesn't mean it didn't happen, maybe sit with the video and what this behaviour has caused
@@saraluciaforerogarcia she said so many things out of order so I’m good. I watched the whole video and it still hasn’t stopped me from being a Larrie. I made my mom a Larrie and she’s 50 she sees what a lot of you ignorant blind people don’t or refuse to see.
@@laurennnsavageee_ lovely argument, at the very least consider what she said at the end, about how maybe this has gotten a bit out of hand and really has harmed people you wish to support
@@saraluciaforerogarcia how are we harming them? When Louis literally has this whole tour asked to be put in a rainbow blood bath for she is beauty we are world class? Like what’s not clear? 🌈
How dare two guys show each other physical affection and have the audacity to not be gay!! It's so sad that their relationship was so obsessed over and scrutinized that they felt like they couldn't show the kind of affection that was natural in their friendship.
i know both harry and louis have been harrassed to an immense amount, but louis has truly gotten the worst of it. the man just wanted to grow up and have as normal of a life as a giant pop star could and larries took it as a personal attack against them. i will never understand how people them claim to be 'die hard fans' can watch two people they love become so distant from each other that they rarely even mention each other by name anymore and take it as motivation to push onwards and dig deeper. maybe it's just the fact that i'm an "i'm the problem" type of person, but i will never understand how shippers of ANY fandom, not just larries, can be so clueless to the fact that they might be the issue here.
Yeah about louis im just a little sad that at least like half of his fandom is larry shippers and some of them look more into the way he talks/what he does rather than his music which is the most important thing i know a lot loves his music very much but just knowing that some say they would drop him if he would really say larrys not real or do sum that would prove it its just sad cause he doesnt deserve this when his music is just so beautiful and genuine (just smth i saw online while being im the fandom for years)
no that's exactly what i mean like there's so many people out there ready to drop louis in an instant but what about harry? there's two people involved in this stupid ship. personally i believe it's because most larries are part of the LGBTQ+ community and therefore tend to read between the lines in order to find more representation within Hollywood and the music industry. maybe since harry is more open with his sexuality and refuses to label it, they favour him over of louis. whatever the reason is, it's totally fucked and these people never cared about either of them to begin with@@leldelaugale7195
Well they would spin the story the other way saying management is forcing them to not talk or look at each other so it MUST BE TRUE...i remember how people lost their mind when harry and louis hugged at their concert on stage after them not interacting at all for a long time it was crazy
@@s.ce.76 GIRL idk if u are at all into BTS but that is exactly what the shipping fans do, especially now that they're in their hiatus and aren't around one another 24/7. they'll literally be like "omg the company is stopping x and x from telling us their deep dark secret" and it's like... babe maybe it's just all in ur head, u ever thought about that? it's giving... projection and fetishization of gay relationships bc why else would u make it ur entire life goal to prove they're together if not for ur own benefit?
I honestly think that the only proof you need to disprove Larry is just how public with thier affection they were at least at the beginning. If they were really together I'm pretty sure management would've had them not interacting like they were from day 1 because it drew too much attention.
It’s super-common for boyband members to be touchy-feely with each other, to claim to be best friends, to play up to fan desires for sexual ambiguity. This goes all the way back to Take That at least in the early 90s (who at least came by their gay aesthetic honestly because they started out playing gay clubs). Everyone knows this is what teenage girls like.
@@KathyD-24601yep but I feel like that the management and probably the members wouldn’t want people shipping the guys who are actually in relationship with each other so
@@el972true, Sadly as acepting as most people are nowadays, homophobes will always exist and at the time 1d was formed, homophoby was still the norm and their manegement wouldn't want them to lose fans because of their relationship.
All of this just proved to me how delusional I was in 2015 when I was sucked into the conspiracy that Benedict Cumberbatch's wife Sophie Hunter was a PR relationship. There was a babygate with them, as well 😬 I remember being 16/17 and telling my mom all about the conspiracy and I'm sure she was thinking I was nuts.
Oh please don't remind me as a teen I also brought up the topic of shipping conspiracies to my dad lol I was a bit self-aware so I tried to downplay it like "haha this is what people online are saying" but I was highkey eating it up and most likely still sounded crazy by talking about it yikes 😬
as a former larrie, this is insane, I came to the conclusion that I was clearly going through stuff and used this as a form of escapism another thing i wanna add is as soon as the baby was called fake i woke up.
it's no surprise to me that they were very physically and verbally affectionate in the early years of 1d, and that it sorta died down as the larry conspiracy gained more steam. we all know that that kind of speculation can really fuck up a friendship. my best friend and i are really close and hang out with each other more than other people, and as a result there was a time when our friends + family members assumed we were dating, and after learning this it made us really uncomfortable. for a while, we never hung out without at least one other friend present and stopped hugging / being physically affectionate because we didn't want other people to take it the wrong way. and that was just because of a small handful of people we knew briefly assuming we were girlfriends, not hordes of online strangers dedicating themselves to anaylizing our every interaction to "prove" that were were together. (and also, even if we weren't dating, we were both queer and out, so there wasn't the added uncomfortableness of people speculating over our sexuality)
Oh my god I can't imagine what people like this would do when they kearn that friends in my theater class will kiss, pretend to kiss, say we're married, make jokes about staring at each other's ass, etc. And its all platonic, all sorts of gender combos and sexualities, etc. Friends can just be like that.
@@demetriam2408 Lmfao, why do antis always use that excuse? Larry can’t be real because I do all those things with my friends. Doesn’t seem to apply to Louis or Harry with woman though. Harry walks with a woman and it’s “oh they’re dating”.
The fact that you‘ve done the light undercoat with your hair gives me great comfort. I‘ve done the inverse, light on top, and am struggling to convince myself it was a good idea.
I need you to know that your Gaylor video was so validating to me, someone who knew next to nothing about it, who had a friend I didn’t even know was very deep down that rabbit hole. They showed me the white umbrella thing, tried to convince me that it meant Taylor & karlie kloss were together, and when I disagreed they cried and accused me of being homophobic (I am gay). This Larry video now is helping me also understand another interaction like that, but when I was in elementary school
This is a good breakdown. I was never a 1D fan but when I was a teenager I was a Boyzone fan. Stephen Gately of Boyzone really was closeted for years and was the first member of a still-active boyband to come out, back in 1999. He was hugely supported by the British public. The idea that anyone in the British music industry would form a conspiracy to keep a boyband member in the closet is insane - we have loads and loads of evidence that teenage girls adore gay boyband members. The idea that said bandmembers would drop *hints* is even crazier. I guessed that Stephen Gately was gay long before he came out precisely because he was so very careful to avoid the subject of his private life while his bandmates were getting married and having babies, and everyone very carefully tiptoed around the subject and pretended not to notice. Closeted boyband members do not joke around about having a bromance.
Then people accuse Harry of queerbaiting (something real people CANNOT do) for having the audacity to not publicly label his sexuality like he hasn't been followed by thins shit show his entire adult life
Real people can lol. If you ever watch Thai BL for example, a lot if male actors are essentially told to make it seem like they’re in a relationship with their costars while promoting the show they’re working on, to the point where people believe they’re actually together. This is a good general statement to keep in mind, but it’s also a case by case basis where yeah, you 100% can have people queerbait for profit, attention etc.
@@filelps1178 no they can't, the point is, even if they do fanservice, you still don't know if they are gay or not. And we aren't entitled to that information either. While companies can queer bait by making a character hint at being gay when they're not for profit, you never know if the actor as a person is actually queer, and it's not their obligation to disclose it.
@@fersaid1582 m8........... this doesn't disprove any queerbaiting. The actors and companies, are making the actors act like a couple, fuel conspiracy theories for the sake for advertising a show. Yes- that's queerbaiting lmfao.
btw Freddy Mercury was bi. He identified as bi, even though people kept calling him gay because biphobia. Like still to this day you find articles saying "he claimed to be bisexual but he could have been a gay man who got involved with women because comphet". Calling him gay though is not exactly wrong when used as umbrella term because he used that too as an umbrella term for himself.
Not that you asked, but someone else who was bi but keeps getting called homosexual is, I shit you not, Sappho. Edit: i did a deep dive on sappho. retracted.
@@schoo9256thats actually debated since there aren't many surviving records about Sappho. Not that it really matters because homosexual history is also bi history
@@schoo9256 Like someone else said, it's not as cut and dry as it is with Freddy. I think with historical people, who had different terms and concepts for gender and sexuality, it's not at all easy to translate them to the modern understanding, and it's probably impossible task that would only flatten our understanding of history. For Sappho we can say she was in modern terms sapphic (duh), but I don't think we can say she was bi, though to be fair, we also can't say she was lesbian. We have Freddy on record identifying himself as bi and telling that one of the loves of his life was a woman, and the other a man. He lived in modern times, with modern understanding of gender and sexuality, and he did tell how he identified, there's really no question at all. But when a historical person lived in different time periods or we don't have records of them identifying themselves, I don't think it's fruitful to try to identify them posthumously. We can speculate and see some common experiences, but we can really never know.
No, Freddie was gay gay gay. The ‘Bi’ thing was the smokescreen because it was actually fashionable during the 70s for male rock stars to project an ambiguous sexuality - the common idea being that it was because they were so sexually promiscuous they would shag anyone, but it would be a ‘bisexual phase’ and that they would settle down with the right woman eventually. Obviously AIDS ended that trend.
a couple months ago my mom came home from visiting her friend and she was telling me about how her friend's daughter started telling her about larry and i just sat there mortified at the fact that my mother now knows what larry is abd how it went down
I saw a screenshot of a Larry on tumblr tweeting/making an infographic about how they discovered that they’ve been living in a home with black mold and that black mold was affecting their judgement and making them very delusional about Larry and ever since they got rid of the black mold they no longer believe in it and they decided to retire and leave the Larry fandom. So basically, my own theory about larries is that they either have carbon monoxide poisoning or black mold, and that’s why so many of them are hysterical about two glamorized strangers being in a top secret gay relationship and feel compelled to track a woman’s menstrual cycle and try to get ahold of her child’s birth certificate just to feel an ounce of validation from a non existent relationship that shouldn’t even affect them personally bc any kind of celebrity relationship isn’t any of our business and doesn’t include us.
i got into the fandom through a friend. she presented everything to me as if it was all facts and i was so into it all. i loved the fandom side of it; some of the best fics i've ever written or read was in that fandom. they were great muses lol but then i started realizing how uncomfy i was with certain things. so i told my friends i no longer really wanted to be in that side of things. within a few moments i was getting awful messages and was blocked by some dear friends. friends i'd stayed up all night talking with through break ups and sad times. friends who we'd traveled to see one another. friends who helped pay for my vet bills when times were tough. all gone in a matter of a day the moment i said "hey i'm gonna back off from this and enjoy one direction without being so invested in larry." i didn't even say anything hateful about larries. just that i wanted to step back from it. and that was enough for me to lose friendships i'd had for over three years. i've never really joined another fandom again after that. i miss it. i miss the creating and the fics and the support and friendships. but i am so scared of another thing happening like that. it was absolutely wild and really messed with me mentally for awhile.
i'm really sorry to hear that. i know what it's like to have a friend turn on you (even though my circumstances were wayyyyy different), i hope you get to enjoy those things again. if writing fanfic and sharing your love for something makes you happy, don't let those stupid ppl ruin it for you, there are healthy ways to enjoy fandoms (but even if you decide to step back forever, that's also valid). good luck on your healing journey
@@promisemochi IK it’s hard but finding people irl with similar interests to you is so much better than finding people online. Maybe I’m just lucky that the ppl in my life are a lot less involved and I feel like when u engage with someone irl majority of the time it becomes a lot harder to treat that person as expendable because they can actually see you as a person. Ik how hard it is to make friends irl tho, it feels increasingly inaccessible but I hope your able to meet people that don’t treat you like shit and you can geek out with. It’s a lot more fun and what fandom culture was ment to be
This really blows my mind because I was a huge 1D fan and on Tumblr during this time and while I remember the Larry fandom EXISTING I definitely was never aware of the true insanity you’re describing. I truly feel for celebrities who deal with this real-life shipping and I’m glad I never got caught up in it as a young, impressionable, and hopelessly cringey teen
the fact that larries are still a thing is insane to me, but its even more insane that so many of them claim to be part of the lgbt community and still see nothing wrong with obsessively trying to out two people for the sake of their own,,, enjoyment? fetish? also the whole pregnancy timeline feels like a fever dream for some reason, cant believe i witnessed history right there
"If it is tomorrow, it is tomorrow. If it is the first day of spring, then it is the first day of spring" I hate how beautiful this sounds without the absolutely horrifying context
I think some obsessive fans forget that these are 2 real life human beings, with real emotions, real feelings, real anxiety and fears. Not only do they not deserve even a shred of information about their personal private lives, but they aren’t entitled to an explanation about any of their stupid “theories”. Point blank. Being a fan does not mean you own anything about that celebrity, and trying to force 2 friends to come *OUT OF THE CLOSET?!* even if they were gay, that’s one of the most bigoted thing you could possibly do. I don’t even really like OD very much, but no “real fan” would ever treat another human being they admire in that regard. They should be ashamed and embarrassed of themselves.
im deeply embarrassed to say that 10 years ago i was entrenched in the larry lore. given i was about 14 and had 3 braincells due to various reasons, my heart was in it. I never really was one of those hardcore shippers that harassed them or family members, and I think was more embroiled in the supposed love story. ive always loved love, and having been in fandom culture for most of my life, it felt like the most logical thing ever. looking back on it now as an adult, im still very iffy about rpf. the ethics around it to me are bit grey and im not too keen on shipping culture. but man was it a ride back then. name a larry fic on ao3, ive probably read it. anyways so excited to tune in, and im kinda excited to unlock that vault of repressed memories. love your videos!! 💕
I've landed on neutral on rpf. It's not for me but I understand the appeal. I dont think it is inherently a problem as long as the people interacting with it understand that it is fantasy and not reality. I think the problem is that fans (especially young fans) way overstep with their interactions with celebrities and don't understand the difference between a personal public persona/stage presence and reality (which is what the PR people want tbf). Social media has made it so much easier to interact with celebrities which is where it gets scary. RPF belongs on fanfic websites not being sent to the celebrities themselves.
My rules for RPF is it’s okay if the people you are writing about are either dead or professional wrestlers but you have to write about them in their kayfabe characters like Mark William Calaway isn’t actually an undead wizard but The Undertaker is
Thank you for mentioning the fucking grossness that was Harry dating Caroline. In the UK she's held up as a bit of a matyr due to her death, but a lot of her behaviour was super gross
Louis does visit Freddie and spend time with him often. His documentary includes a whole section where he talks about being a father and he comes to his show, it’s all very sweet actually.
my friends mom got really into harry styles recently and genuinely thought that larry was real because of all the stuff she saw about it when learning about harry now…
it's wild because to new fans it gets presented in such a way that it comes across as being facts. like when i dipped my toe into the fandom my friend that was a laurie swept me up in it and presented everything as being 100% factual and to someone who genuinely didn't know...i took her at her word. it really is a cult like mentality
Yeah, I got into harry styles last year as well and as a result kind of went down a 1D/1D members rabbit hole and there are these timeline videos on yt that actually make Larry seem very real. It only took me a couple of days to realize how effed up the whole thing is, but for a brief moment I actually thought that this was real (didn’t believe in baby gate for even a second though, bc wth)
I’m so out of the loop upon clicking this video that I assumed “Larry Stylinson” was a real person. I was too old for OD, I’m too gay too get invested in cis dudes, and my time on tumblr was spent elsewhere. I was SO confused. Fandom conspiracies are the craziest part of any fandom.
there needs to be a name for this type of shipping conspiracy because theres a pattern to both real people (this one & gaylor) and fictional characters (the johnlock conspiracy) having their relationships turned into this supposed puzzle that people can solve, with an end goal of a big reveal, when in reality its a series of non existent connections. i cant imagine what its like living your life genuinely believing these things, investing so much energy and refusing to admit you were wrong when to anyone else it's clear people are being hurt. please if anyone is going to take anything away from this please let it be this - you need to admit when you're wrong instead of grasping at more and more straws that somehow prove you're right, it's never as deep as these conspiracies claim it is. theres no secret mastermind orchestrating things, no hidden messages just people trying to live their lives. it's not that deep.
Girl, I remember being a fan of the Sherlock series and getting very confused about why Martin Freeman started to distance himself from it. Then I went to tumblr, discovered Johnlock and was like "Oh". These shippers are seriously demented, to say the least
It’s strange, fans would sooner believe louis has a fake baby than make their already unrealistic conspiracies slightly more realistic. Like why can’t louis of hypothetically cheated on Harry or their were on a break and he experimented with a woman or he’s bi. And then 2 things can be true at once. Gaylers, Larrys, etc all make these impossible connections to make their theory make sense but still keep their fave as “a victim”. When realistically many gay men have children and many people have crushes or flings or relationships that end. And everyone is messy and confusing especially when they’re a teenager/young adult - but everyone but celebrities get to look back and cringe. Imagine someone you liked / dated /friends with when you were 16 and you’re now 30 and everyone keeps acting like it was the love story of the century. Fans often confuse people not believing the ridiculous “yes and” of the theories for people not believing it’s possible for 2 people to have had feelings for each other. I believe Harry styles and louis Thompson could have had or wanted a romantic relationship because people often have romantic feelings for other people. What I don’t believe is Simon cow or faceless business people orchestrated this whole coverup. I’m sure Harry and louis could be messy and confusing without someone controlling them. Especially as in the uk it’s a different climate for queer celebrities. The uk is one of the most secularised countries in the world and unlike the US, there’s been continued acceptance and support for lbgt for the last 30 years. We’ve also had multiple boybands with queer members like blue, boyzone, wham!, westlife, etc.
I had a friend explain to me the babygate theory because she was fascinated and horrified with it from afar when it was happening and props to you for somehow making a cohesive video out of some uh. REAL thin evidence of anything. This kind of attention on people is toxic 😢
@@seekerstheshy3842 I literally died laughing at that part, some great evidence right there. You can tell it was like a 13 year old girling writing that.
could you imagine if she had postpartum depression or psychosis, constantly being told your baby isnt real, its a doll…. that’s insane how people didnt think of that but at the same time these were tweens and young teens…. idk…. very bad all around
watching this video staring directly at my wardrobe door where i stuck one picture of harry styles and one picture of louis tomlinson (which i cut out of a magazine) and then i took a permanent marker and connected the pics and wrote in gigantic letters LARRY and a heart 🥲 the early 2010’s were a wild ride
@@threeangels9318You are making a conspiracy theory about two people being in a relationship who you don't know, will never know and are probably just friends. On top of you all being extremely homophobic, biphobic, misogynistic and just awful people towards these two guys just because their private lives do not match what you think they should be.
Just... wow.... I used to be a directioner and absolutely believed in Larry, because I desperately WANTED it to be true. The weird thing is the that way I remember it, the "evidence" was much more compelling and left little room for debate - in my mind it was obviously true. But when you lay it out like this I realized how much of it was just bullshit and that any form of critical thinking would have immediately disputed almost all of it.
For real! I'm not gay but even i know enough to know how scary coming out can be : there's no way to know for sure if you will be acepted so there's always a risk of losing someone important in your life or... In some cases, your home. You have to do it in your own terms at the moment you feel is right
I was a big directioner in 2020. I always thought the ship was weird but I could NEVER say it because “antis” were always attacked… it wasn’t until I joined a one direction friend group and they said they all thought larries were weird that I realized that I didn’t have to believe in the crazy theories to be a “real fan”
I think the funniest thing Harry and Louis could do is reveal that they did all this on purpose, not because they were gay, but because they thought it would be funny
I thought I knew most of the Larry conspiracies but the bears were new to me 😂 I love deep dives into fandom origins and the power of collective thought/cult of personality…it’s just endlessly fascinating. You do it so well! Thanks for all your work!
I cannot believe this ship is still going on 😭 it’s been over a decade and you’d think they’d let go. I was obsessed with this ship but I grew out of it and I don’t understand how it’s still going on after the group disbanded.
Yep, just means they’re bro pals when they walk down the street holding hands, caress the others face, blow kisses at each other, caress the others thigh behind a table where they think no one can see, wink at each other, caress the others arm, stare at the others ass, kiss the other at the end of a concert on the mouth.
for a brief period i had a friend i met on tumblr through another fandom. She was also a directioner and since i wasn't, it didn't really come up much, until the news of the baby broke out. She then went on a rant about how that is all fake and a conspiracy theory and how i should just wait and see and i was so speechless. She was about to finish medschool, a seemingly intelligent girl in her mid twenties. I was so caught off guard. Needless to say, the friendship didn't last long after that...
no it's terrifying. most of the people who were larries during the band's big days continue to be larries still, and they're all full grown adults, with jobs, and who participate in society. that's insane to me.
as both a former directioner and larrie (whether or not i was an extreme larrie is debatable) i am getting horrific flashbacks these are things that are in the deep recesses of my brain. the fact that these people have caused so much harm to the people they claim to love to the point that they are debating a whole human life and harry and louis themselves feel uncomfortable interacting with one another is truly something else. i hope larries break out of their delusion bc its not even fun it hasn't been in several years it's just scary and they've crossed so many boundaries there is no point of return
Louis has a wonderful relationship with his son, we can see that in his movie 'All of those voices' it makes me sick that to this day people keep denying Freddie as Louis son, and it's hard as a louis fan to deal with those people
They're not so well known but there are actually people who think NONE of the members of One Direction are dads. That their management faked not one, not two, but three babies. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I've waited YEARS for a video essay on this topic!! I was never in the 1D fandom but watched on tumblr with horrified fascination as babygate went down. The way people can justify anything to themselves is wild.
Ugh this video was amazing, im gonna subscribe! A similar topic i find just as interesting is how misogyny runs rampant in fandom culture, particularly shipping culture. Some examples i can think of off the top of my head are how larries treated eleanor calder (the witchhunt to find anything problematic that shes done and harrassing her for it) or any of harry's previous exes (the threads made by larries about 'why olivia wilde is problematic' were sometimes very off the wall crazy lmao). Not to say that olivia and eleanor havent done bad things, but the way larries would try to cancel olivia for her dancing at harrys shows and for not "taking care of her kids bc shes out partying" really rubbed me the wrong way. I just wish some fans would let them enjoy their private lives without speculating over them because, in the end, theyre REAL PEOPLE and not FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
And here I thought my hardcore TJLC phase was cringey... At least they were fictional! I was on tumblr during this time, but I don't recall seeing much of this drama and for that, I am thankful. Truly wild. This was a fascinating video; well done! (ETA: I would love to see a similar video from you about TJLC aka The Johnlock Conspiracy and how off the rails the fandom got!)
There’s something so insidious about looking at actions of affection and being like "well that HAS a to be romance." Not just here but in so many situations in which people are scrutinising other people's relationship. Even regardless of what the truth is. If an action isn’t explicitly romantic then you’re just making me think you don’t like your friends that much.
oh my gosh this is so real! Me and my best friends are very physical and we do a lot of the same silly stuff as Harry and Louis and we're about as straight as you can get. Most close friends act physial with eachother and that's normal. And coming from someone who has about a million brothers and male cousins teenage and young adults boys are espessially physical with eachother a lot and can still like girls. Like it's absolutly dumb to think that just because two people are physical with each other the only option is that their in a relationship. I'm convinced Larries have never had close friends atp smh.
there was a (very) brief point in time early in 1D’s career where Larry really was just an inside joke among the fandom. I miss those days 🥲 also, random, but I remember when my friends and I went to see the 1D movie and we were trying to make friends with the other directioners. We asked them if they were larries and if they said yes, we would walk away 😭
gosh i had to look away from the screen when the interviewers started asking the band about larry. i was never into one direction but i of course knew they had a very vocal sub-sect of shippers in the fanbase. however i did not know that the actual band members were being asked shipping-related questions during actual interviews oh my god
Every day after middle school me and this girl in my class would walk home and she would just tell me all the Larry theories. I liked One D but was not a hardcore, but thanks to her I knew all about that baby!!! Love you Jessica!!!! Thanks for the great video as always ❤
i am so happy we're finally at a place in time where this topic gets a deep dive now. i was there for the entirety of babygate, the behavior was truly INSANE. (and no, i did not ship harry and louis, i think shipping real people is gross and invasive)
The ridiculous thing is that the Larry’s would go crazy online if anyone said anything bad about them, acting like it was “they hated Jesus because he spoke the truth”, when they were also literally ruining the lives of real people with their delusions. It was horrible to watch.
I'm sorry for commenting before watching the whole video but 1) your take on this particular subject is all I ever wanted and 2) I legitimately was physically startled when you said you would've been a Louis girl - in the best way, in the 'omg yay come join us chaotic Louis girlies!!!' way lmao this brings me so much parasocial joy ahahahah
As a former Larrie, the only good thing this ship has done to me is that it was my eye opener to LGBT relationships as a young teen and what prevented me from possibly growing up homophobic in a Christian-dominated country. But everything else about it is insane.
The best thing to come out of all of this was that tweet where someone announced they were leaving the fandom because they only shipped them because of black mold in their house and once it was cleared they realized how crazy it was.
lmao I remember that
it rings a bell omfg
HELP?????? i love the saga of twitter users announcing that they no longer did strange and erratic things bc a toxin in the house was removed (see also: that one person who had a gas leak right next to their bed for years and apologized for their lack of wacky posting once it was removed)
@@ryanisverycoolomfg the gas leak by the bed was such a fucking moment thank you for reminding me😭 it was such an unexpected turn lol
@@ryanisverycool the gas leak that made them change their handle to poisonjr LMFAO
Even if they were gay you👏 shouldn't👏be👏forcing👏people👏to👏come👏out!
this sentiment omg! i still see people not understanding this! has no one learned anything from the heartstoppers/kit connor situation?!
*i know other members of the LGBTQIA+ community can & have faced much more frequent & more egregious treatment so this is in no way making any comparisons*
as a bisexual person it so sad and frustrating how much biphobia and bierasure there is. it truly upsets me when people say things like “we only want gay people playing gay roles” or claiming someone as queer baiting just by playing a gay role… or even when people blew up on billie eilish… for her at 20 y/o making a video with a bunch of her girlfriends that “gave queer vibes” i don’t disagree but who are we to give a fuck? like there’s so much harm to that.. more harm then the potential queer baiting… and that mentality sets us back.
i think it has to be the outliers bc i know the majority of my community understands how ridiculous it is.
i’ve been saying this since i was a child - before i even identified with the LGBTQIA - why the hell is it so normalized/why is the world so messed up that people care so much about how others love and live so much that we HAVE to identify who the fuck we are with SEXUALLY. like where is the class in society. we don’t need to know everyone’s business like this. i’m glad we’ve taken identifying/labeling or not labeling back as something that’s FOR us because it’s a very personal thing that really only matters to oneself, and the potential partners.
our society needs to stop its obsession and stop feeling so damn entitled to know everything about everyone.
That’s something that pisses me off a lot, as a bisexual person myself. The larries, in their own minds, are trying to force people out of the closet when they clearly don’t want to confirm anything. Even if Larry was real, that doesn’t justify forcing anyone to come out. That and the fetishization of things feel homophobic, any real allies would never try to out people
as someone who was in bandom and saw a lot of ships like larry this is always my stance if they wanted people to know they would have said it if not its nor your business
with peace and love, us fans have zero power in forcing someone to come out, all this info is PUBLIC, and we have no way to even directly communicate with celebrities. the media has always been the one to out people by publishing rumors to start drama
literally even by the larries own logic like... you should leave them alone. even if they're 100% right about larry they should shut the fuck up
What i take from this is that if you were a Larry in the 2010s then you should be very careful about being targeted by cults
and MLMs
There's some hope because a lot of them were just teens with underdeveloped brains who've hopefully grown up and out of it, but there were definitely people in their 20s and 30s and that kinda does scare me
Or maybe we actually saw things happening to make us think they were in a real relationship? When Harry and any woman walk down the street together they must be dating but when Harry and Louis walked down the street with Harry’s arm around Louis and they are holding hands then they are just friends. The face caresses, thigh caresses, winks, kisses blown, hand holding, caresses ‘hidden’ behind a table all mean nothing?
@@threeangels9318It does mean nothing to you. Because whether their relationship was romantic or strictly platonic, it was theirs. Not the fans' and not the fans' business. They've outright asked to be left alone in regards to this, so it's very weird to see people who claim to support these artists continually engage in the same problematic behavior.
@@Kris.K610 That’s not what the op of this thread is implying. The are suggesting that anyone who thinks Larry was real is gullible and are the type of person that are prayed on by cults.
Let’s not forget the fan who got a hold of Louis’ number, called him and said «I hope your baby dies.» because he wouldn’t follow her on twitter. He said he had the phonecall on recording and would be contacting his lawyers. She was like «Oh my God, no, I’m so sorry.» Like, girl, actions have consequences.
This one was proved to be a hoax
@@debbiehamilton7529how exactly?
@@debbiehamilton7529 No it wasn't.
@debbiehamilton7529 you can't just say something is a hoax and then not elaborate. Anyways, Cosmopolitan posted an article about this incident, and the clip can still be listened to.
no but i literally wrote a 40 page paper in college about larries and how the language and logical fallacies they utilize directly mirror that of more obviously dangerous conspiracy theories
i had written a very similar paper omg ,, not over larry… but over avril clone conspiracy theory
@@urgentlyjI NEED to read both of these papers
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As a KPop fan...this behaviour never changes. It's really disturbing what people make up in their minds and spread online just because they have some kind of weird fetish fantasy.
The big difference is that kpop idols absolutely cannot be out. It's impossible, it's out of the realm of possibilities. Harry and Louis could come out if all of this was true. There's no reasonable reason to think they would put up with 250 beards and a whole fake baby. However if you're a Korean idol ? Nope, you can never come out. The only one who's out is Holland and he has a very small career.
I remember the absolute chaos of 2min, and when Minho did a show with Suli (rip) people swore that he was dating Suli (they never dated) because she looked like Taemin and it got absolutely out of hand
the "JiKook proof" posts ive seen are eerily similar to Larry
also something important to add is that korean relationships and friendships are very different from what western people are used to and it was something that shocked and amazed me when i first got into kpop. men hugging men, holding hands, being very affectionate physically is seen as normal and not sexualized, and it's something that some western fans have a hard time understanding. i remember when i first got into bts and saw any interaction between jungkook and jimin (for example) and thought "larries would sh-t their pants if they saw something like this" lmao
@@karlabrandao4799I remember someone once said that if you were to show a larrie any interaction between the bts members it would be like giving crack cocaine to a toddler 😭
I feel bad for Freddy. He’s by now a very young child and there are still people out there trying to debate his very existence.
which is insane cause he legit is the spit image of his father
@@rafasupertihe looks exactly like louis what the hell are you talking about😭
@@fatimaojeda3636don’t bother, they’ll say the pictures are edited or something even dumber 💀
I actually think he looks like a young Harry ! Have a look see what you think !!
@@rafasuperti why would they still have to lie? It’s been YEARS since one direction ended. Both he and Harry have different management now. And even if Louis is gay that doesn’t mean he can’t have a son with Brianna, Freddie looks exactly like him
The Eleanor triplet theory sounds straight out of a Pretty Little Liars episode
i’m so embarrassed that i helped with this theory on tumblr… like i genuinely thought tina and possibly gretchen actually might’ve existed… why
Terrified of people who openly harass and ship real people. You can like the idea of people's chemistry and vibes without HARASSING THEM AND TRYING TO CONVINCE OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEIR BABY ISN'T REAL
Same 😭 and bro I’m the kind of person that loves seeing the people I like interact but I’m a kpop fan and there’s a HUGE amount of shippers in our community so I’ll find these different accounts that post really cute videos of different members interacting but then I’ll find out 6 months later that they actually ship the two kpop idols 😭 it’s happened too damn often
THIS
imagine bullying a 4 year old child as an adult (the way some of them are mothers and have full time jobs) who will never begin to be able to defend himself. it's sick.
@@cat-sd5cr woosan shippers 💀
I think shipping real people can be harmless and non-toxic, but Larries take it way too far, man. In my favourite band's fanbase, shipping exists, but it is very self-contained and the few times the members of the band have heard about it, they've said it's OK, just keep things like fan fic away from them, which we do. On the very rare occasion that someone has taken it too far, they're widely condemned by the large majority of the fanbase. Nobody likes the folks who take it too far. We see it as a game/hobby and write fan fic and draw art about it, but in our actual interactions with the guys, we don't bring it up or harass them in any way. I don't actually believe any of the ships of this band that I partake in online, it's just fun to think about is all. We know for a fact that 3 out of 4 of the members are straight men, the 4th guy is a bit up in the air because he talks openly about being attracted to men but has never labelled himself. And the majority of the fanbase would never ask him to label himself either, or force anything out of him at all. I'm honestly very proud of the way we handle things. Larries take something that is meant to be a game, and turn it into this horrible harassment campaign against Harry and Louis, and it's so sad to see. And I don't pretend to be holier than thou either, I haven't always been how I should with ships. When I was 14 in 2012, I shipped Dan and Phil super hard and it was the only ship I ever fully, 100% believed in. I was conspiracy level with them, not quite to the extent of Larries thankfully, but conspiracy level all the same, and I know for a fact that I directly caused drama in the Phandom once that ended up reaching Phil. I have felt so bad for years about that. But yeah, as someone who's been both a toxic shipper in a toxic fandom, and is now someone who tries to be as respectful as possible in a much more respectful fandom, I've seen both sides and I can tell you now, I don't think shipping real people is the problem personally. The problem is when people actually believe the ship and take it really far, instead of just, y'know, having fun with it and treating it like the game it is supposed to be.
@xotbirdox As a continuing phandom member, I really feel for the two of them getting caught up in nonsense. I feel like any and all ship talk regarding real people/the personas of real people should start and end with the comfort/consent of that person. If they say "sure knock yourselves out" go wild, go crazy, go stupid. If they say "sure but keep it away from me" I appreciate the fans who actually accept and take that boundary in stride. Many don't, and that's always a huge shame. But if that person says "stop it makes me uncomfortable" FUCKING STOP. I had a friend (emphasis on "had") who didn't respect being told no, yet had a history of abusive relationships and hugely denounced r*pe culture...and she really didn't like when I asked her why "no means no" didn't apply to her overstepping this boundary. I agree with you tbh, shipping real people/their personas can be done in a non-toxic way, but usually when it gets to conspiracy/obsession levels of belief and engagement, it can't *not* impact that person's real life.
fucking love how this comment section is like those forums of people that escaped a toxic religion/cult💀
Lmao it felt like that when I was in the depths of it for real. Leaving it behind was a weight lifted of my shoulders. Being too attached too a fandom is toxic.
the fact that louis's son happened to look EXACTLY like him, even as a small child, cracks me up lmaooo
After this video I looked up a photo of freddie today and there is no denying that that is Louis child he looks so much like him🤣🤣🤣
I have said for YEARS that Larry Stylinson is Q Anon for preteens
Why this comment isn’t getting more likes floors me because this is the funniest thing I’ve ever read 😂
But the thing is there are SO many Larries who are in their 30s, 40s, 50s , 60s and even 70s
Im fucking cackling- I remember reading a larry wattpad fanfic when I was 14- in which the authors fantasized about Larry assassinating their manager and eloping
what's crazy is that most larries i've come across in recent years on twitter have been in their late twenties or older.
Gaylors as well. Fucking insane.
So many things going on here:
1. The idea that men can only be affectionate with a romantic partner.
2. Women, particularly straight women, fetishizing gay men.
3. Bi erasure. Even if Harry and Louis were together that doesn't mean that they couldn't be with women.
4. Tons of misogyny, probably out of jealousy. The girlfriends of male singers tend to be attractive, most likely more attractive than the fangirls. This is speculation on my part but I think some female fans like the idea of their favorite male celebrities being gay because it means that they never had a chance of being with them. There's no rejection or insecurity that they're not pretty enough.
5. Hypocrisy. Claiming to be supportive of gay rights but still trying to force people to come out.
6. The delusions of parasoial relationships. You may like Harry or Louis music and my follow them on social media but you don't actually know them. They are not your friends. You have nothing to do with their personal lives. Also if Eleanor, Freddie, etc are paid actors then why do the fans care? Why harass them online? If they're just being paid to be there then just leave them be until their contracts expire.
100% spot on.
Yoooooo nailed it
you get it!
very well said 💯
YES YES YES
i was a larry fan but i left the fandom once people started claiming freddy wasn’t real. i was never an active shipper, just an admirer. the fandom was truly toxic
There's people "probably also larries tbh) in the Gaylor fandom who think karlie's babies are somehow secretly Taylor's now too
Same but with different fandoms.
I was a Larry fan too. When people started debating the existence of Freddie or wether he was actually Louis' son I was revolted - Freddie never asked to be in the middle of this yet when he grows older and one day he wants to watch old videos of his dad or even if he just searches up his dad there will be these disgusting comments saying Freddie's not real, Louis is not his son he's going to be left so confused and hurt. Like if his documentary did not confirm the love and the existence of his own child then they need a wake up call because I don't know what more could be done to prove he's an actual living being that has feelings
@@madisonbusby1457 Kaylor has some of those babygate level crazies too
Glad to see Ashley is FINALLY addressing the Martha Stewart, Snoop Dog throuple rumors.
(always knew it was true)
Finally speaking my truth
breaking my silence* , if you will.
As a person who thought this could maybe?perhaps?be true????maybe?? for a little while back in the day, my exit was also the Babygate. I still remember reading Larrie reactions and being horrified to my core. And the fact that they STILL exist gives me so much creeps.
Same here, I was In The Trenches but seeing all the wild and extreme theories around Babygate once Freddie was born and stuff kinda snapped me out of it. It's bizarre to me that in 2023 people are still harrassing them about this
same
Congrats on getting out brother
sameee here. Babygate was my last straw
same i used to love Larry and how cute their friendship was. Babygate definitely ruined everything and how toxic the fandom got. it’s sad how Louis and harry don’t feel comfortable talking to each other now because of the toxicity.
the craziest thing about Larry is that my conservative pastor father believed it, when 1D broke up he came into my room and told me it was because louis and Harry were secretly a couple, and that was what destroyed the band
WHAT
Yep you win the internet
that's hilarious lmaooo
HELPPP😭😭
I didn’t see the father part and thought your pastor told you the second 1D broke up 😂
a couple things to add on. in 2016 when larries were basically criticizing louis' parenting because he was always in the uk, using it as evidence of larry, in reality his mom was dying of cancer. and they made his and his family's lives more difficult.
another thing is the stalking incidents. I don't know if they've just been wiped from tumblr but there was a period of time where larries were stalking freddie to get evidence he was not real.
I know this is a unpopular opinion but I’ve always believed the baby is real. Insane I know but that’s just my opinion. Don’t kill me but I think the human infant is real.
Same, plus I remember my friend showing a pic of the baby as a toddler and he looks so much like Louis it’s insane haha
Ok Simon Cowell go off
(/j obvs lmao)
the lengths people will go, i'm glad she had people looking out for her. she could have been physically harmed. shits no joke.
Freddie is such a carbon copy of Louis down to his little mischievous grin Louis does
the thing that annoys me it shouldn't even be an unpopular opinion - it shouldn't even be questioned his existence - he's a real living being. I know their management was cruel but they wouldn't try to fake a child.
from ages 12-14 i was a larrie big time (reading fan fics, watching deep dives, etc) and hearing somebody explain everything after stepping back makes me realize how bizzare it really is 💀💀
I feel the same. I'm low-key a little ashamed when I think of my time as a larrie.
literally me. this video unlocked memories i forgot i had about larry and all the conspiracies and it makes me feel guilty for how delusional i was when i was younger.
I was never a larrie because to me it seemed so overhyped and crazed😭 but teenage me genuinely believed Zayn had a crush on Liam when the band first debuted
plss when the video got to the rainbow bears part i actually giggled out loud like wym i used to actually believe this????
honestly i was eighteen when I fell into that hole so don't feel bad. Larry is one hell of a drug, then you resurface and go "wtf"
I think a lotta people have forgotten that real people can’t be analyzed like fictional characters. All the signs Larry is real would be believable if we were talking about fictional characters but these are real people. Real people are complicated and nuanced.
as a complete outsider i feel like their evidence as shown here is kind of a reach even if it would’ve been for fiction
The chicken parmesan thing is so funny. My sister hates cooking, so whenever she has a friend over, she gives them mac n cheese and/or pancakes, cuz those are the only things she can prepare
Almost all my friends have had my chili because it's easy to make so I make it anytime I have to cook for someone. I can't imagine someone using the fact that I made someone chili as proof I'm dating them. I think having one or two dishes you're good at making and making them for everyone you know is common especially when you're young.
they started touring at 16-18 of course they wouldn't exactly be world-class chefs hka;hf
@@alexlemaire8513 To be fair, according to Harry, Louis loved the tacos he made him.
Excuse me but its "Chicken wrapped in parma ham stuffed with mozzarella" 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 omg why is this emgrained in my brain😅😅😅
fucking hell i can still recite the chicken stuffed with mozarella thing complete with the hand gestures what is wrong with me😭😭 why can't i have a normal history of fandoms....
Larries hating on women do not surprise me at all because they are rabidly misogynistic, but hating on a baby is next level
What’s funny is that when they deny Larry aggressively the fans are like they’re being too defensive and when they’re being gentler about denying it they’re like omg Larry confirmed lol
what aggravates me about larries is that they’re predominantly made up of young girls and women yet are responsible for some of the most vile displays of misogyny i’ve seen on the internet. it’s surely internalised and something i hope they can all overcome eventually but the way they’ve continually taken their senseless anger out on the very real girlfriends of these two men over fictional accounts of their lives is really unsettling. the most recent to fall victim is taylor russell and seeing the nasty, racist vitriol she’s facing from people who claim to “love” harry styles but can’t begin to fathom that he could be happy in a relationship with her genuinely does make me sick.
ugh this is so true. I hate seeing people bully these women and claim they do it to "protect" Harry/Louis from some omnipresent evil invented by larries themselves. These are grown men, you can be a fan, but you don't know them personally, they don't need to be saved from conspiracy theories made by 13-year-olds. I feel like the only reason larries care so much is that they can't stand the idea of Harry & Louis with another woman and it has nothing to do with an actual love and concern for your idol. The worst thing is they will never understand how toxic this is and call you a fake fan if you dare to disagree with them.
There needs to be deep psychological investigations about the misogyny that is extremely common in fandom spaces cases like larry
FR. I'm sort of a larrie - i believe they were together at some point - but it infuriates me when people just cannot accept that they've dated/been happy with other people, especially women. The other larries and their behavior prevent me from saying that I believe that theory, because i don't want to be associated with the overanalyzers, harrasers, biphobics, delusional people, and especially people who don't believe in freddy. outside of believing in the theory due to evidence I've seen, i don't participate in any other "larry" behavior
@@honestlyali28 why would you even want to claim an "identity" of someone who has a fetish for two men's made up relationship
@@arabellas70s Why is it always that we have a fetish? Do you actually know what that means? So if you think “hmm I think that man might be in a relationship with that woman” it’s fine. Nothing sexual about it, not a fetish. But when people think “hmm I think that man might be in a relationship with that man” it’s a fetish?
i was never a directioner but i have been very autistic and gullible my whole life. i thought all the "show larry your support!" posts were genuine and i reblogged them because i just wanted to be an ally you know 💀
This is such a mood 😭
So truuue
no bc they really act like (and i think genuinely believe, that's the worst part) that what they're doing is good for Louis and Harry😭 like they seriously, genuinely (see what i did there?) believe them straight up stalking the two dudes and making up conspiracies about their lives is going to make them feel... safer about coming out? or something??? which, bruh, even if i *was* in a secret relationship, a large crowd of people being downright OBSESSED with it and watching my every move for "clues" that it's true would make me feel anything but safe??
Larry is what taught me not to ship real people, like i remember as a kid looking at some of the conspiracies And this was YEARS before the baby, thinking to myself "hmmm..... maybe this has gotten out of hand" . Like people are actually insane and i didn't even think about how the child would feel seeing all of it, like i wonder if any of the OG shippers are embarrassed 😭💀
We aren’t shipping them, we believe that even if they aren’t together now (they could be, who knows) they were most likely a couple during 1D. I didn’t think “oh they would look cute together” but saw things and thought “I bet they are a couple”.
@@threeangels9318 HONESTLY! People need to understand this: the bluegreeners are the ones who "ship" them. they're the ones who participate in all the unethical behavior. the larries simply believe they were together. bluegreeners are larries but not all larries are bluegreeners.
@@honestlyali28 none of those words are in the bible
@@enviisyk that's just what I've learned from the Larries I know
@@threeangels9318So you’re saying you’re just basically rewriting history in your head until Harry or Louis personally tells you to f*ck off? That’s even worse.
imagine living your entire life and having thousands of people harassing you and your parents and accusing you of not being a real person
I just hate that the Larries never consider that it's none of their business. All of this could be true (though unlikely), but that DOESN'T MATTER because no one should have to disclose their sexuality, or the details of their pregnancy, or so on?? No one is entitled to that information.
And it's even useless for me to say this because I know it's more about what's going on the fans' personal lives i.e they could be suffering from mental illness, be using these narratives as intense escapism. It's such a complicated issue with so many moving parts it makes me dizzy.
from someone that was into that side they genuinely think they have an "in" like that h&l secretly communicate with them and that they're friends. i'm cringing writing this but there was a genuine belief that someday they'd reach out and invite all the larries to a wedding or party or something. it was bananas. i remember someone got ahold of a phone number saying it was a number for the bears or whatever and my friends and i texting it. which is toxic omg please universe forgive me!! but my friends that were very invested believed one day they'd get a text back and it'd be a huge thing. there was so much entitlement! like thinking fans were friends with them and had inside scoops and personal relationships.
the real illness is the para social relationships these delusion fans think they have. Taylor is facing the same problem with gaylor even after saying she was only an ally in the community. Harry too simply as a by product of larry stylinson. It’s getting out of hand and I hope one day an artist speaks out on it. Personally I hope louis does as it’s effected him the most
@@promisemochi Where are you getting this bullshit from? I don’t know of any Larrie who thinks Harry and Louis are our friends and we expect an invite to their wedding. As for the phone number for RBB and SBB, the phone number was shown with the bears, we didn’t make it up. The number is still valid and you can still leave a message. I know the bears sound crazy but Larrie’s weren’t the ones doing anything with the bears. We weren’t the ones having one of the bears get their picture taken with one of Harry’s childhood friends at a gay bar, across the street where Louis was seen with fans. 🤷♀
@@threeangels9318 back in 2016-2018 that's how it was. people genuinely thought they'd get a text message from that number and be invited to a big huge wedding or party or something "exclusive" just for larries to be a part of. they genuinely saw things as harry and louis secretly trying to "communicate" with the larries and that larries had all this insider information because they were "closer" with h&l than other fans. it was a huge deal when i was a "tumblr larry" back in those dark times. so please just stop it.
@@promisemochi How do you explain Harry’s childhood friend holding one of the bears at a gay club?
these little gay teddy bears are so cute! outside of the fandom brain rot stuff, it makes me smile seeing those silly little guys
Yes so cute that Harry’s childhood friend posed with one at a gay bar.
@@threeangels9318 you can take all the evidence you want, but at the end of the day none of that is your bussiness, and you now are harassing people on a video that if you didn't like you could have just not seen
@@saraluciaforerogarcia I’m not harassing anyone, just pointing out what happened 🤷♀
@@threeangels9318 do you know how many comments of yours are here saying the exact same thing?
@@saraluciaforerogarcia don’t even try to change their mind. Spent 3 days writing paragraphs after paragraphs disproving and debunking their claims, and they _still_ didn’t change. It was like yelling at a brick wall.
I knew the Larry fandom was unhinged but this is just...I have no words. I feel so bad for Harry, Louis, Breanna, Eleanor, Freddie...just basically every single person that has been actively _harmed_ because of the mass delusions and conspiracy theories surrounding a "theory" that two men are gay. I really wish people would step back and think about how, while claiming to support two men that they believe are closeted, they're actively ruining the lives _of_ those two men.
Edit: I really wish I could lock the comments on this, good lord
it’s crazy because it seems to have affected every member of the band on some level. Niall recently spoke about his relationship and says he keeps it private because “there’d be all these theories”😭 these guys are traumatized and i can see why. they don’t even want to share anything anymore because people always ruin it. i just hope everyone affected is able to heal from this.
@@1D4LIFE to even insinuate there’s a possibility that someone doesn’t exist is awful. an ACTOR? for a child?? this kind of behavior is genuinely concerning… please touch grass.
@@1D4LIFE maybe believe the parents of said child? the whole “idk what to believe” doesn’t really hold up when you’re questioning the existence of a human being😭 it’s harmful and wrong in so many ways. you might not outright be saying “freddie’s not real” but even mentioning the “slim chance he’s not” is still weird. i’m really not trying to be rude here, just sounds like you need a reality check because this way of thinking is incredibly toxic.
@@1D4LIFE Is it possible people are just using the wrong wording? Instead the wording may be should be "non biological" son or "biological" son. Louis has stepped up be responsible for this beautiful child.
@@1D4LIFE glad you think so. I just want to be respectful to the lovely young lad! I can see how a person would wonder with some of the things I have seen them do this past year on stage. :) and I never knew 1D!
You hit the nail on the head on why people like RPF; it's a way to enjoy the self-insert parts of fanfic while still keeping a safe distance from actually imagining yourself in romantic or sexual scenarios. I think what crosses the line is when the people being written about actually become aware of and/or become involved in the material (i.e. when others show them fan art/fiction/blogs/etc and ask for their opinions on it, or the stories that fans read shift from explicit fiction to actual theories about these people's lives.) RPF has the potential to be harmless, as long as those creating and consuming that content are able to separate fiction from real life- which becomes more difficult when 1. the people involved are often very young, and 2. the content involves real people and speculations about real events.
Anyway, fantastic stuff as always Ashley! As someone who grew up in fandom circles, I appreciate hearing lore about those circles I wasn't familiar with, without having to hear someone condescend to the idea of "cringey" fandom or fans as a whole.
Idk something about it still feel ethically icky to me… you can still feel like a fly on a wall with fictional ships and fics why bring real people into it? Idk I just feel like if people were writing stories about me (smutty or not) I would feel very uncomfortable and I know not everyone feels that way but you don’t know who does and doesn’t so avoiding it seems like the most respectful and logical option. Also I feel like we REALLY dehumanize celebrities and treat them with very little privacy, and often don’t respect their boundaries and I think we have to remember that these are actually human beings not just icons to look up to and fantasize about.
@@remytherat2929 yeah, for me I'd be worried that fanfiction would feed into that slippery slope all celebrities have to deal with where people are so sure the caricatures theyve made of me are real that their ideas would then bleed into real life and convince them I'd act a certain way or want certain things. Its like a physical copy of what goes down in stalkers heads lol
@@remytherat2929yeah it’s definitely going to be dehumanizing either way,
but one group is dehumanizing in then
“this RPF fanfic I’m writing is like I’m smashing my Barbie’s together and making them kiss”
so they at least recognize it isn’t reality.
(I was in the Dan and Phil fandom, so through exposure I learned the nuance between fans writing silly vampire AUs vs the people claiming the wrinkles on Phil’s bed proved he wasn’t sleeping in it)
@@remytherat2929 I think RPF is most acceptable if the people involved have larger-than-life public personas (i.e. pro wrestlers, KISS, or visual kei musicians) and the stories are about the personas only. No real people involved, nobody gets hurt. It’s a bit thornier, but still acceptable, if the real people are put in obviously fantastical situations (i.e. magical girl Taylor Swift, One Direction as Jack Sparrow-like pirates, BTS crewing a starship). This at least represents a firm disconnect of reality and fantasy, and shows the celebrities getting romantic with each other in the fantasy space only. When you start writing what you imagine the real lives of real people are like, though . . . that’s when the lines between reality and fantasy get a lot more blurry, and there’s more risk of feeding people’s distorted perceptions of reality.
Haven't started watching yet, but the funny thing about the whole baby gate situation is that they seem to forget that bisexuality exists. Never mind the fact that the obsession with Larry and harassing anyone involved with Louis or Harry was weird and creepy as hell, they were so quick to say a baby was fake when a queer man can have a biological child and still be queer.
No, literally, they dug themselves into a hole with it. They could‘ve chosen anything from Brianna being a suropgate to larry’s baby to them briefly breaking up. Instead, they were so sure that Louis wouldn’t acknowledge pregnancy, then that the baby wouldn’t be born, then that the baby was a doll, then that the baby would turn out not to be his. And here they are in 2023 trying to explain why 7-year-old Freddie is in Louis’ documentary
@@hskingdommm2597 Yup. I feel like some even tried to argue with Louis' mom when she was still alive that her grandson didn't exist. As you said, there were a ton of options they could've went with with Brianna being a surrogate or Larry briefly breaking up. Instead they tried to say the baby would never be born as you said, was a doll, wasn't his, and in some cases, wasn't Brianna's either. Like, it was a friend's kid that they were pretending was Louis', Meanwhile there'd be pictures non Larries posted where Freddie looked a lot like a young Louis.
@@Heather_Duke They’re saying that it’s because all white kids look the same (sic). And yeah they try to argue with Jay! I remember they even found a p*rn video with a blond woman vaguely resembling Brianna and sent it to Jay and Louis’ underage sisters so that they could convince Louis to get a paternity test. Babygate is by far the worst part of the larry conspiracy, just so vile
A big thing about these type of shippers is that they hate women. If Harry dates a woman, that woman is likely prettier and more successful than they are by a mile. Seeing him with them makes them jealous and insecure about themselves. So they prefer to believe he is completely out of their reach. So bisexuality isn't an option. He has to be gay. You can tell by how evil they imagine their girlfriends to be. They could easily think of them as friends helping their poor gay artist friend out. But instead Eleanor, Olivia, Brianna, Camille are presented as attention seeking evil, racist harpies. They hate their girlfriends.
@@TheaDoraRosa That's definitely true, unfortunately. Even now, years later, it still goes on. Most recently we saw them hating on Olivia when she and Harry dated.
i vividly remember going to see louis' documentary and there are a couple moments in it where he's playing with freddie and there were seriously people who got up and walked out of the theatre. it was insane to me that people truly wouldn't support louis because of his child. honestly, i don't even think that the larries are even really fans of actual louis and harry, but only the version they made up in their heads. people will also say disgusting shit about how freddie can't be real because then louis would be a terrible father and its so heinous. like do you even like him???? also maybe its just what i see on twitter but they're seemingly way more critical of louis compared to harry. i don't really know why but i do think that its interesting to think about.
This is completely false. I’m a Larrie and I saw Louis documentary and I stayed the whole time. I care about Harry and Louis as people separate and together no matter what.
@@laurennnsavageee_when something doesn't apply to you specifically ot doesn't mean it didn't happen, maybe sit with the video and what this behaviour has caused
@@saraluciaforerogarcia she said so many things out of order so I’m good. I watched the whole video and it still hasn’t stopped me from being a Larrie. I made my mom a Larrie and she’s 50 she sees what a lot of you ignorant blind people don’t or refuse to see.
@@laurennnsavageee_ lovely argument, at the very least consider what she said at the end, about how maybe this has gotten a bit out of hand and really has harmed people you wish to support
@@saraluciaforerogarcia how are we harming them? When Louis literally has this whole tour asked to be put in a rainbow blood bath for she is beauty we are world class? Like what’s not clear? 🌈
ashley… you’re so brave.
How dare two guys show each other physical affection and have the audacity to not be gay!! It's so sad that their relationship was so obsessed over and scrutinized that they felt like they couldn't show the kind of affection that was natural in their friendship.
i know both harry and louis have been harrassed to an immense amount, but louis has truly gotten the worst of it. the man just wanted to grow up and have as normal of a life as a giant pop star could and larries took it as a personal attack against them. i will never understand how people them claim to be 'die hard fans' can watch two people they love become so distant from each other that they rarely even mention each other by name anymore and take it as motivation to push onwards and dig deeper. maybe it's just the fact that i'm an "i'm the problem" type of person, but i will never understand how shippers of ANY fandom, not just larries, can be so clueless to the fact that they might be the issue here.
Yeah about louis im just a little sad that at least like half of his fandom is larry shippers and some of them look more into the way he talks/what he does rather than his music which is the most important thing i know a lot loves his music very much but just knowing that some say they would drop him if he would really say larrys not real or do sum that would prove it its just sad cause he doesnt deserve this when his music is just so beautiful and genuine (just smth i saw online while being im the fandom for years)
no that's exactly what i mean like there's so many people out there ready to drop louis in an instant but what about harry? there's two people involved in this stupid ship. personally i believe it's because most larries are part of the LGBTQ+ community and therefore tend to read between the lines in order to find more representation within Hollywood and the music industry. maybe since harry is more open with his sexuality and refuses to label it, they favour him over of louis. whatever the reason is, it's totally fucked and these people never cared about either of them to begin with@@leldelaugale7195
Well they would spin the story the other way saying management is forcing them to not talk or look at each other so it MUST BE TRUE...i remember how people lost their mind when harry and louis hugged at their concert on stage after them not interacting at all for a long time it was crazy
@@s.ce.76 GIRL idk if u are at all into BTS but that is exactly what the shipping fans do, especially now that they're in their hiatus and aren't around one another 24/7. they'll literally be like "omg the company is stopping x and x from telling us their deep dark secret" and it's like... babe maybe it's just all in ur head, u ever thought about that? it's giving... projection and fetishization of gay relationships bc why else would u make it ur entire life goal to prove they're together if not for ur own benefit?
I honestly think that the only proof you need to disprove Larry is just how public with thier affection they were at least at the beginning. If they were really together I'm pretty sure management would've had them not interacting like they were from day 1 because it drew too much attention.
It’s super-common for boyband members to be touchy-feely with each other, to claim to be best friends, to play up to fan desires for sexual ambiguity. This goes all the way back to Take That at least in the early 90s (who at least came by their gay aesthetic honestly because they started out playing gay clubs). Everyone knows this is what teenage girls like.
@@KathyD-24601yep but I feel like that the management and probably the members wouldn’t want people shipping the guys who are actually in relationship with each other so
Well technically that did happen
@@el972true, Sadly as acepting as most people are nowadays, homophobes will always exist and at the time 1d was formed, homophoby was still the norm and their manegement wouldn't want them to lose fans because of their relationship.
All of this just proved to me how delusional I was in 2015 when I was sucked into the conspiracy that Benedict Cumberbatch's wife Sophie Hunter was a PR relationship. There was a babygate with them, as well 😬 I remember being 16/17 and telling my mom all about the conspiracy and I'm sure she was thinking I was nuts.
Oh please don't remind me as a teen I also brought up the topic of shipping conspiracies to my dad lol I was a bit self-aware so I tried to downplay it like "haha this is what people online are saying" but I was highkey eating it up and most likely still sounded crazy by talking about it yikes 😬
Wait why did people think their relationship was PR
How random. I expect unhinged behaviour when it comes to the fans of boy bands but not actors who look like otters
@@Lore.nbased on the dates provided, probably because Johnlock.
@@minuishaq631 the Sherlock Tumblr fandom was rabid in the 2010s 😬
Hey Ashley, wanted to say this is probably your best video so far in terms of editing, the script, etc. Your full-time effort is noticed!
Omigosh thank you 🥹
as a former larrie, this is insane, I came to the conclusion that I was clearly going through stuff and used this as a form of escapism
another thing i wanna add is as soon as the baby was called fake i woke up.
This came out just after i got out of therapy. I'm so ready to have my world rocked.
oh my god me too……
The therapy to Ashley pipeline is real.
i used to think larry was a member of one direction bc i was so far on the outskirts i didnt know any of their names
Same girl same 😂
it's no surprise to me that they were very physically and verbally affectionate in the early years of 1d, and that it sorta died down as the larry conspiracy gained more steam. we all know that that kind of speculation can really fuck up a friendship. my best friend and i are really close and hang out with each other more than other people, and as a result there was a time when our friends + family members assumed we were dating, and after learning this it made us really uncomfortable. for a while, we never hung out without at least one other friend present and stopped hugging / being physically affectionate because we didn't want other people to take it the wrong way. and that was just because of a small handful of people we knew briefly assuming we were girlfriends, not hordes of online strangers dedicating themselves to anaylizing our every interaction to "prove" that were were together.
(and also, even if we weren't dating, we were both queer and out, so there wasn't the added uncomfortableness of people speculating over our sexuality)
Oh my god I can't imagine what people like this would do when they kearn that friends in my theater class will kiss, pretend to kiss, say we're married, make jokes about staring at each other's ass, etc. And its all platonic, all sorts of gender combos and sexualities, etc. Friends can just be like that.
@@demetriam2408 Lmfao, why do antis always use that excuse? Larry can’t be real because I do all those things with my friends. Doesn’t seem to apply to Louis or Harry with woman though. Harry walks with a woman and it’s “oh they’re dating”.
@@threeangels9318 "antis" oh my god you're one of them.
@demetrian8448 that person has 37 comments on this video alone 💀
Edit: it's up to 60 comments now...
@@rob-tt3hb I feel so bad for them but it's also really funny
The fact that you‘ve done the light undercoat with your hair gives me great comfort. I‘ve done the inverse, light on top, and am struggling to convince myself it was a good idea.
Oh same. But we’re in it now
I need you to know that your Gaylor video was so validating to me, someone who knew next to nothing about it, who had a friend I didn’t even know was very deep down that rabbit hole. They showed me the white umbrella thing, tried to convince me that it meant Taylor & karlie kloss were together, and when I disagreed they cried and accused me of being homophobic (I am gay). This Larry video now is helping me also understand another interaction like that, but when I was in elementary school
This is a good breakdown. I was never a 1D fan but when I was a teenager I was a Boyzone fan. Stephen Gately of Boyzone really was closeted for years and was the first member of a still-active boyband to come out, back in 1999. He was hugely supported by the British public.
The idea that anyone in the British music industry would form a conspiracy to keep a boyband member in the closet is insane - we have loads and loads of evidence that teenage girls adore gay boyband members.
The idea that said bandmembers would drop *hints* is even crazier. I guessed that Stephen Gately was gay long before he came out precisely because he was so very careful to avoid the subject of his private life while his bandmates were getting married and having babies, and everyone very carefully tiptoed around the subject and pretended not to notice.
Closeted boyband members do not joke around about having a bromance.
Extremely wise comment!
Then people accuse Harry of queerbaiting (something real people CANNOT do) for having the audacity to not publicly label his sexuality like he hasn't been followed by thins shit show his entire adult life
Real ppl absolutely can if they’re a brand themselves
But I’m not agreeing that he is
Real people can lol. If you ever watch Thai BL for example, a lot if male actors are essentially told to make it seem like they’re in a relationship with their costars while promoting the show they’re working on, to the point where people believe they’re actually together.
This is a good general statement to keep in mind, but it’s also a case by case basis where yeah, you 100% can have people queerbait for profit, attention etc.
@@filelps1178 no they can't, the point is, even if they do fanservice, you still don't know if they are gay or not. And we aren't entitled to that information either. While companies can queer bait by making a character hint at being gay when they're not for profit, you never know if the actor as a person is actually queer, and it's not their obligation to disclose it.
@@fersaid1582 m8........... this doesn't disprove any queerbaiting. The actors and companies, are making the actors act like a couple, fuel conspiracy theories for the sake for advertising a show. Yes- that's queerbaiting lmfao.
btw Freddy Mercury was bi. He identified as bi, even though people kept calling him gay because biphobia. Like still to this day you find articles saying "he claimed to be bisexual but he could have been a gay man who got involved with women because comphet". Calling him gay though is not exactly wrong when used as umbrella term because he used that too as an umbrella term for himself.
Not that you asked, but someone else who was bi but keeps getting called homosexual is, I shit you not, Sappho.
Edit: i did a deep dive on sappho. retracted.
@@schoo9256thats actually debated since there aren't many surviving records about Sappho. Not that it really matters because homosexual history is also bi history
@@schoo9256 Like someone else said, it's not as cut and dry as it is with Freddy. I think with historical people, who had different terms and concepts for gender and sexuality, it's not at all easy to translate them to the modern understanding, and it's probably impossible task that would only flatten our understanding of history. For Sappho we can say she was in modern terms sapphic (duh), but I don't think we can say she was bi, though to be fair, we also can't say she was lesbian. We have Freddy on record identifying himself as bi and telling that one of the loves of his life was a woman, and the other a man. He lived in modern times, with modern understanding of gender and sexuality, and he did tell how he identified, there's really no question at all. But when a historical person lived in different time periods or we don't have records of them identifying themselves, I don't think it's fruitful to try to identify them posthumously. We can speculate and see some common experiences, but we can really never know.
No, Freddie was gay gay gay. The ‘Bi’ thing was the smokescreen because it was actually fashionable during the 70s for male rock stars to project an ambiguous sexuality - the common idea being that it was because they were so sexually promiscuous they would shag anyone, but it would be a ‘bisexual phase’ and that they would settle down with the right woman eventually.
Obviously AIDS ended that trend.
I thought that Freddie Mercury never actually labeled himself, and said something along of lines of "if you want to call it that, you can idc"
a couple months ago my mom came home from visiting her friend and she was telling me about how her friend's daughter started telling her about larry and i just sat there mortified at the fact that my mother now knows what larry is abd how it went down
I saw a screenshot of a Larry on tumblr tweeting/making an infographic about how they discovered that they’ve been living in a home with black mold and that black mold was affecting their judgement and making them very delusional about Larry and ever since they got rid of the black mold they no longer believe in it and they decided to retire and leave the Larry fandom. So basically, my own theory about larries is that they either have carbon monoxide poisoning or black mold, and that’s why so many of them are hysterical about two glamorized strangers being in a top secret gay relationship and feel compelled to track a woman’s menstrual cycle and try to get ahold of her child’s birth certificate just to feel an ounce of validation from a non existent relationship that shouldn’t even affect them personally bc any kind of celebrity relationship isn’t any of our business and doesn’t include us.
i got into the fandom through a friend. she presented everything to me as if it was all facts and i was so into it all. i loved the fandom side of it; some of the best fics i've ever written or read was in that fandom. they were great muses lol but then i started realizing how uncomfy i was with certain things. so i told my friends i no longer really wanted to be in that side of things. within a few moments i was getting awful messages and was blocked by some dear friends. friends i'd stayed up all night talking with through break ups and sad times. friends who we'd traveled to see one another. friends who helped pay for my vet bills when times were tough. all gone in a matter of a day the moment i said "hey i'm gonna back off from this and enjoy one direction without being so invested in larry." i didn't even say anything hateful about larries. just that i wanted to step back from it. and that was enough for me to lose friendships i'd had for over three years. i've never really joined another fandom again after that. i miss it. i miss the creating and the fics and the support and friendships. but i am so scared of another thing happening like that. it was absolutely wild and really messed with me mentally for awhile.
fuck, yeah thats enough to mess a person up im so sorry to hear that
@@seekerstheshy3842 thank you
Thats so sad :( I hope youre able to get into another fandom again it's always fun to be in one when it is healthy ofc
i'm really sorry to hear that. i know what it's like to have a friend turn on you (even though my circumstances were wayyyyy different), i hope you get to enjoy those things again. if writing fanfic and sharing your love for something makes you happy, don't let those stupid ppl ruin it for you, there are healthy ways to enjoy fandoms (but even if you decide to step back forever, that's also valid). good luck on your healing journey
@@promisemochi IK it’s hard but finding people irl with similar interests to you is so much better than finding people online. Maybe I’m just lucky that the ppl in my life are a lot less involved and I feel like when u engage with someone irl majority of the time it becomes a lot harder to treat that person as expendable because they can actually see you as a person. Ik how hard it is to make friends irl tho, it feels increasingly inaccessible but I hope your able to meet people that don’t treat you like shit and you can geek out with. It’s a lot more fun and what fandom culture was ment to be
This really blows my mind because I was a huge 1D fan and on Tumblr during this time and while I remember the Larry fandom EXISTING I definitely was never aware of the true insanity you’re describing. I truly feel for celebrities who deal with this real-life shipping and I’m glad I never got caught up in it as a young, impressionable, and hopelessly cringey teen
the fact that larries are still a thing is insane to me, but its even more insane that so many of them claim to be part of the lgbt community and still see nothing wrong with obsessively trying to out two people for the sake of their own,,, enjoyment? fetish?
also the whole pregnancy timeline feels like a fever dream for some reason, cant believe i witnessed history right there
"If it is tomorrow, it is tomorrow. If it is the first day of spring, then it is the first day of spring" I hate how beautiful this sounds without the absolutely horrifying context
The fans were writing full length academic papers about a singular glance from a singular interview. Harvard wishes.
I think some obsessive fans forget that these are 2 real life human beings, with real emotions, real feelings, real anxiety and fears. Not only do they not deserve even a shred of information about their personal private lives, but they aren’t entitled to an explanation about any of their stupid “theories”. Point blank. Being a fan does not mean you own anything about that celebrity, and trying to force 2 friends to come *OUT OF THE CLOSET?!* even if they were gay, that’s one of the most bigoted thing you could possibly do. I don’t even really like OD very much, but no “real fan” would ever treat another human being they admire in that regard. They should be ashamed and embarrassed of themselves.
im deeply embarrassed to say that 10 years ago i was entrenched in the larry lore. given i was about 14 and had 3 braincells due to various reasons, my heart was in it.
I never really was one of those hardcore shippers that harassed them or family members, and I think was more embroiled in the supposed love story. ive always loved love, and having been in fandom culture for most of my life, it felt like the most logical thing ever.
looking back on it now as an adult, im still very iffy about rpf. the ethics around it to me are bit grey and im not too keen on shipping culture. but man was it a ride back then. name a larry fic on ao3, ive probably read it.
anyways so excited to tune in, and im kinda excited to unlock that vault of repressed memories. love your videos!! 💕
I've landed on neutral on rpf. It's not for me but I understand the appeal. I dont think it is inherently a problem as long as the people interacting with it understand that it is fantasy and not reality. I think the problem is that fans (especially young fans) way overstep with their interactions with celebrities and don't understand the difference between a personal public persona/stage presence and reality (which is what the PR people want tbf). Social media has made it so much easier to interact with celebrities which is where it gets scary. RPF belongs on fanfic websites not being sent to the celebrities themselves.
@@alexisc3658yep! Agreed
My rules for RPF is it’s okay if the people you are writing about are either dead or professional wrestlers but you have to write about them in their kayfabe characters like Mark William Calaway isn’t actually an undead wizard but The Undertaker is
dont be embarrassed you've grown out of this there are still grown ass people so deep in it
Commotion for the sweater:
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Thank you for mentioning the fucking grossness that was Harry dating Caroline. In the UK she's held up as a bit of a matyr due to her death, but a lot of her behaviour was super gross
Dan Wootton is that you?
Louis does visit Freddie and spend time with him often. His documentary includes a whole section where he talks about being a father and he comes to his show, it’s all very sweet actually.
my friends mom got really into harry styles recently and genuinely thought that larry was real because of all the stuff she saw about it when learning about harry now…
it's wild because to new fans it gets presented in such a way that it comes across as being facts. like when i dipped my toe into the fandom my friend that was a laurie swept me up in it and presented everything as being 100% factual and to someone who genuinely didn't know...i took her at her word. it really is a cult like mentality
Yeah, I got into harry styles last year as well and as a result kind of went down a 1D/1D members rabbit hole and there are these timeline videos on yt that actually make Larry seem very real. It only took me a couple of days to realize how effed up the whole thing is, but for a brief moment I actually thought that this was real (didn’t believe in baby gate for even a second though, bc wth)
this is so common, unfortunately. especially with fans who are older and should know better!
based on the title alone…you are so, so brave for this
Some fandoms are a lot but 1D was just the absolute most.
so true bayonetta
I’m so out of the loop upon clicking this video that I assumed “Larry Stylinson” was a real person. I was too old for OD, I’m too gay too get invested in cis dudes, and my time on tumblr was spent elsewhere. I was SO confused. Fandom conspiracies are the craziest part of any fandom.
I'm dumb. I was like "too gay to be interested in cis dudes...what does that have to do with being gay?"
Lesbians.. I forgor
I thought it was someone in the fashion industry I was like now that's an appropriate name right there
OD?
@@alexrose20 I'd guess One Direction 😁
@@eminempreg not too gay to be interested in trans guys apparently which makes so much sense /s
there needs to be a name for this type of shipping conspiracy because theres a pattern to both real people (this one & gaylor) and fictional characters (the johnlock conspiracy) having their relationships turned into this supposed puzzle that people can solve, with an end goal of a big reveal, when in reality its a series of non existent connections. i cant imagine what its like living your life genuinely believing these things, investing so much energy and refusing to admit you were wrong when to anyone else it's clear people are being hurt.
please if anyone is going to take anything away from this please let it be this - you need to admit when you're wrong instead of grasping at more and more straws that somehow prove you're right, it's never as deep as these conspiracies claim it is. theres no secret mastermind orchestrating things, no hidden messages just people trying to live their lives.
it's not that deep.
Girl, I remember being a fan of the Sherlock series and getting very confused about why Martin Freeman started to distance himself from it. Then I went to tumblr, discovered Johnlock and was like "Oh". These shippers are seriously demented, to say the least
Typically in rpf spaces people who are wildly conspiratorial about their ships and convinced they’re real are called tinhatters who are…tinhatting
It’s strange, fans would sooner believe louis has a fake baby than make their already unrealistic conspiracies slightly more realistic.
Like why can’t louis of hypothetically cheated on Harry or their were on a break and he experimented with a woman or he’s bi. And then 2 things can be true at once.
Gaylers, Larrys, etc all make these impossible connections to make their theory make sense but still keep their fave as “a victim”. When realistically many gay men have children and many people have crushes or flings or relationships that end. And everyone is messy and confusing especially when they’re a teenager/young adult - but everyone but celebrities get to look back and cringe.
Imagine someone you liked / dated /friends with when you were 16 and you’re now 30 and everyone keeps acting like it was the love story of the century.
Fans often confuse people not believing the ridiculous “yes and” of the theories for people not believing it’s possible for 2 people to have had feelings for each other. I believe Harry styles and louis Thompson could have had or wanted a romantic relationship because people often have romantic feelings for other people. What I don’t believe is Simon cow or faceless business people orchestrated this whole coverup. I’m sure Harry and louis could be messy and confusing without someone controlling them.
Especially as in the uk it’s a different climate for queer celebrities. The uk is one of the most secularised countries in the world and unlike the US, there’s been continued acceptance and support for lbgt for the last 30 years. We’ve also had multiple boybands with queer members like blue, boyzone, wham!, westlife, etc.
I had a friend explain to me the babygate theory because she was fascinated and horrified with it from afar when it was happening and props to you for somehow making a cohesive video out of some uh. REAL thin evidence of anything. This kind of attention on people is toxic 😢
my favourite's gotta be the line that BABY PICTURES ARENT TAKEN SHIRTLESS and that somehow being spun into evidence xd
@@seekerstheshy3842 I literally died laughing at that part, some great evidence right there. You can tell it was like a 13 year old girling writing that.
could you imagine if she had postpartum depression or psychosis, constantly being told your baby isnt real, its a doll…. that’s insane how people didnt think of that but at the same time these were tweens and young teens…. idk…. very bad all around
The scream I scrumpt😸As an ex-directioner, I cannot wait! You never fail to impress me with all your hard work! sending lots of love as always~
watching this video staring directly at my wardrobe door where i stuck one picture of harry styles and one picture of louis tomlinson (which i cut out of a magazine) and then i took a permanent marker and connected the pics and wrote in gigantic letters LARRY and a heart 🥲 the early 2010’s were a wild ride
holy hell Larry is a special brand of delulu
Yes, how deluded of us to think closeting, beards, pr stunts and NDA’s exist.
@@threeangels9318You are making a conspiracy theory about two people being in a relationship who you don't know, will never know and are probably just friends. On top of you all being extremely homophobic, biphobic, misogynistic and just awful people towards these two guys just because their private lives do not match what you think they should be.
Just... wow.... I used to be a directioner and absolutely believed in Larry, because I desperately WANTED it to be true. The weird thing is the that way I remember it, the "evidence" was much more compelling and left little room for debate - in my mind it was obviously true. But when you lay it out like this I realized how much of it was just bullshit and that any form of critical thinking would have immediately disputed almost all of it.
Tweeting #ItsTimeToComeOut everyday until they come out... as a sign of support lmao
For real! I'm not gay but even i know enough to know how scary coming out can be : there's no way to know for sure if you will be acepted so there's always a risk of losing someone important in your life or... In some cases, your home.
You have to do it in your own terms at the moment you feel is right
The jokes write themselves
I was a big directioner in 2020. I always thought the ship was weird but I could NEVER say it because “antis” were always attacked… it wasn’t until I joined a one direction friend group and they said they all thought larries were weird that I realized that I didn’t have to believe in the crazy theories to be a “real fan”
Freddie’s therapist is gonna be so rich
I think the funniest thing Harry and Louis could do is reveal that they did all this on purpose, not because they were gay, but because they thought it would be funny
I thought I knew most of the Larry conspiracies but the bears were new to me 😂 I love deep dives into fandom origins and the power of collective thought/cult of personality…it’s just endlessly fascinating. You do it so well! Thanks for all your work!
Yep, you should watch the interview where they’re asked about the bears and Niall practically gets whiplash from looking at Louis so quick.
@@threeangels9318 Those poor blokes 😩 yes looking it up immediately!!
I cannot believe this ship is still going on 😭 it’s been over a decade and you’d think they’d let go. I was obsessed with this ship but I grew out of it and I don’t understand how it’s still going on after the group disbanded.
"Why are men so uncomfortable with getting close to their bros?"
Fangirls: Those two are totally gay, they brushed hands once.
Yep, just means they’re bro pals when they walk down the street holding hands, caress the others face, blow kisses at each other, caress the others thigh behind a table where they think no one can see, wink at each other, caress the others arm, stare at the others ass, kiss the other at the end of a concert on the mouth.
@@threeangels9318get professional help ❤
Yeah... And the same shippers are the ones who praise them for not having toxic masculinity, and yet they act like toxic males themselves
okay but the animated one direction show just unlocked such a deep core memory. wow.
that show slapped.
for a brief period i had a friend i met on tumblr through another fandom. She was also a directioner and since i wasn't, it didn't really come up much, until the news of the baby broke out. She then went on a rant about how that is all fake and a conspiracy theory and how i should just wait and see and i was so speechless. She was about to finish medschool, a seemingly intelligent girl in her mid twenties. I was so caught off guard. Needless to say, the friendship didn't last long after that...
no it's terrifying. most of the people who were larries during the band's big days continue to be larries still, and they're all full grown adults, with jobs, and who participate in society. that's insane to me.
@@rubykgarrettexactly like imagine your cashier or classmate being a larry on tumblr omgg
Doctor here, most babies born at 37 weeks have no problems and go home after a few days
If you told them this they’d have an aneurysm
I was born at about 32 weeks and was fine!
as both a former directioner and larrie (whether or not i was an extreme larrie is debatable) i am getting horrific flashbacks these are things that are in the deep recesses of my brain. the fact that these people have caused so much harm to the people they claim to love to the point that they are debating a whole human life and harry and louis themselves feel uncomfortable interacting with one another is truly something else. i hope larries break out of their delusion bc its not even fun it hasn't been in several years it's just scary and they've crossed so many boundaries there is no point of return
Louis has a wonderful relationship with his son, we can see that in his movie 'All of those voices' it makes me sick that to this day people keep denying Freddie as Louis son, and it's hard as a louis fan to deal with those people
Louis was literally CRYING because Freddie came to see his show for the first time ever...
They're not so well known but there are actually people who think NONE of the members of One Direction are dads. That their management faked not one, not two, but three babies. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I've waited YEARS for a video essay on this topic!! I was never in the 1D fandom but watched on tumblr with horrified fascination as babygate went down. The way people can justify anything to themselves is wild.
Ugh this video was amazing, im gonna subscribe! A similar topic i find just as interesting is how misogyny runs rampant in fandom culture, particularly shipping culture. Some examples i can think of off the top of my head are how larries treated eleanor calder (the witchhunt to find anything problematic that shes done and harrassing her for it) or any of harry's previous exes (the threads made by larries about 'why olivia wilde is problematic' were sometimes very off the wall crazy lmao). Not to say that olivia and eleanor havent done bad things, but the way larries would try to cancel olivia for her dancing at harrys shows and for not "taking care of her kids bc shes out partying" really rubbed me the wrong way. I just wish some fans would let them enjoy their private lives without speculating over them because, in the end, theyre REAL PEOPLE and not FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
And here I thought my hardcore TJLC phase was cringey... At least they were fictional! I was on tumblr during this time, but I don't recall seeing much of this drama and for that, I am thankful. Truly wild. This was a fascinating video; well done!
(ETA: I would love to see a similar video from you about TJLC aka The Johnlock Conspiracy and how off the rails the fandom got!)
the sarah z tjlc vid is also really great
There’s something so insidious about looking at actions of affection and being like "well that HAS a to be romance." Not just here but in so many situations in which people are scrutinising other people's relationship. Even regardless of what the truth is. If an action isn’t explicitly romantic then you’re just making me think you don’t like your friends that much.
elementary school is CRAZY 😭
as an arospec person, THISSSSS THANK YOU!!!
oh my gosh this is so real! Me and my best friends are very physical and we do a lot of the same silly stuff as Harry and Louis and we're about as straight as you can get. Most close friends act physial with eachother and that's normal. And coming from someone who has about a million brothers and male cousins teenage and young adults boys are espessially physical with eachother a lot and can still like girls. Like it's absolutly dumb to think that just because two people are physical with each other the only option is that their in a relationship. I'm convinced Larries have never had close friends atp smh.
there was a (very) brief point in time early in 1D’s career where Larry really was just an inside joke among the fandom. I miss those days 🥲 also, random, but I remember when my friends and I went to see the 1D movie and we were trying to make friends with the other directioners. We asked them if they were larries and if they said yes, we would walk away 😭
gosh i had to look away from the screen when the interviewers started asking the band about larry. i was never into one direction but i of course knew they had a very vocal sub-sect of shippers in the fanbase. however i did not know that the actual band members were being asked shipping-related questions during actual interviews oh my god
Every day after middle school me and this girl in my class would walk home and she would just tell me all the Larry theories. I liked One D but was not a hardcore, but thanks to her I knew all about that baby!!! Love you Jessica!!!! Thanks for the great video as always ❤
i am so happy we're finally at a place in time where this topic gets a deep dive now. i was there for the entirety of babygate, the behavior was truly INSANE. (and no, i did not ship harry and louis, i think shipping real people is gross and invasive)
Deep dive? She’s giving her bias opinion.
@@threeangels9318a deep dive is an analysis of a topic or the detailed examination of a subject; that’s exactly what’s she’s doing.
I left the fandom in 2016 and it wasn’t until after I read Leah Remini’s book on leaving Scientology that I realized how brainwashed I was
This is actually wild holy shit. I always knew they were a bit, uh, in denial, but it didn't realise it went this far
The ridiculous thing is that the Larry’s would go crazy online if anyone said anything bad about them, acting like it was “they hated Jesus because he spoke the truth”, when they were also literally ruining the lives of real people with their delusions. It was horrible to watch.
I'm sorry for commenting before watching the whole video but 1) your take on this particular subject is all I ever wanted and 2) I legitimately was physically startled when you said you would've been a Louis girl - in the best way, in the 'omg yay come join us chaotic Louis girlies!!!' way lmao this brings me so much parasocial joy ahahahah
As a former Larrie, the only good thing this ship has done to me is that it was my eye opener to LGBT relationships as a young teen and what prevented me from possibly growing up homophobic in a Christian-dominated country. But everything else about it is insane.
literally same