I had a 1000 TL with the hard card. I believe it was a 20 MB drive - and it was the greatest thing at the time. I worked at Radio Shack at the time. Sold lots of computers and enjoyed working with the customers who were doing many things for the first time - payroll, invoicing, and games. Cool stuff! Thanks for the video!
Yeah must have been a special time. So Many things to discover and the amount of new things these computers could do was enormous. Someone else also said that back in the day it seemed every computer owner was a nerd / thinkerer. There was so much stuff to discover.
A wonderful video -- and excellent overview of the Tandy 1000 S/L. I love that these machines had DOS and DeskMate on ROM -- a smart move by Tandy. Oh, man, amber displays are mesmerizingly beautiful to me. I look forward to the future repair of your VM-16. 👍 Finally, thanks for the solid shoutouts to all of us other #SepTandy participants -- this is such a great retro computer event.
• 8:13 - Actually, drives-on-expansion-cards has made a comeback thanks to NVME/M.2 drives. • 9:41 - RLL drives were so vulnerable with their interrupters exposed like this drive's stepper-motor shaft. 😬 • 11:25 - Socket [wrench/bit]. • 14:18 - It was pretty cool that the Tandy's had DOS and DeskMate in the EEPROM. • 17:14 - It's probably got a cold-joint somewhere. People mock, but hitting TVs/monitors _does_ work.
Agreed on the monitor, the cold solder joint is probably somewhere in the horizontal oscillator since it loses horizontal sync. Also check the capacitors while you're in there because it had some horizontal collapse which is a tell-tale sign of bad caps.
@@BlackEpyon Those were never really out of fashion in the first place, since CompactFlash is PCMCIA, which is essentially ISA. (And by that logic, IDE drives would also count as 'expansion cards' because IDE/ATA is just 16-bit ISA put on a cable.)
@@Stoney3K I meant more along the lines of having spinning magnetic platters on a card instead of mounted in a drive bay like normal. IDE just means that the drive electronics are all onboard the drive itself, with the controller card serving the ROM, buffers, and some basic switching logic, which is why ATA IDE drives are so universally cross compatible without the need to reformat between controllers. The controller is just the interface to the system bus. By comparison, MFM hard drives needed to be formatted on the controller card they'd be used with, because the controller card told the drive how to operate. Somebody needs to sit down and document what the difference is between these old Western Digital "XT-IDE," and the more "modern" ATA IDE that we're all familiar with. All I know is that the two are not compatible. Problem is that those old WD XT-IDE devices are so few and far between these days, that it's almost impossible to find documentation on it.
Never owned a hardcard for it, but I did have the Tandy 1000 SL/2. I wish I still had it, but I donated it to someone else as I had outgrew it. I think it was kinda outdated at that time as well. So I don't know they got any practical use out of it. Maybe it's in a tech museum somewhere being entertained by daily visitors. =)
Oh this is nice! I've never seen a Tandy in person, they were to my knowledge never sold here (Sweden). It's easy to see why many love these: beautiful board, nice and clean layout. I do have a soft spot for these large all-integrated motherboards. Very cool to see that old WD hard card again! I once had a very similar or even the same in a 286 clone I owned briefly. Sounded just like how I remember mine, lovely! :) Looking forwards to future parts, I'm always curious to see what software you find.
Almost every Philips-manufactured CRT monitor I've ever seen developed a problem like that, where tapping the side fixed it temporarily. Not sure if it's solder joints, the flyback transformer, or both. But I've certainly smacked around a lot of Philips monitors to get them working again...
The issue with the CRT is a missing vsync or bad sync IC. (Probably not cause at some point it was syncing up correctly) Some thorough cleaning and easy to replace components should sort it right out.
The percussive maintenance getting it working makes me think it's a dry solder joint. When I can't find them I use a small torch, though hot air is probably better, and just spiral it around the whole board to ever so slightly reflow things. Putting the whole board in an oven like people do to reflow gpus etc might even work for that.
@@spwim For sure, I wouldn't either, on a board with any parts like that, I was just kind of brainstorming, and that's why I'd stay with using hot air to be safe, since you can control exactly where you're putting the heat. It just depends on how lazy someone is :-) and if the board doesn't work at all to start with, you don't have much to lose :-)
I can't wait to see some 16 color Tandy graphics, and I hope we'll get the hear that iconic Tandy 3-voice sound too. I really want a Tandy-1000 in my collection.
I still have my Tandy 1000 HX with 640k ram upgrade. So much time spent playing Ultima 5, Bards Tale and F19 Stealth Fighter on it lol. Sadly my Tandy 16 color monitor died.
The Tandy SL (1) was my first MS-DOS compatible computer. I begged my mom to get me one because i saw the audio sampler. I didn't know about the Amiga until after I got this. I eventually saved up for a used Amiga 1000 as soon as I discovered it. That thing blew me away! FWIW, My first computer was a Coleco ADAM. That was a nice computer, with limited software.
I really need to start working on my Amiga collection. Have been procrastinating it, like so much other stuff. I started with c64, amiga500 and then a 486. Never got to experience anything < 486 back in the day
@@RetroSpector78 at 1:49.. "the myth .. the legend @LGR".... and think that all begins one afternoon.. in which Clint realize that he hated himself .. ja ja ja >> ua-cam.com/video/PRSNVXcbf2M/v-deo.html
I have the Panasonic FX-1650, which is a slightly modified rebranded version of the 1000 SL2. It does not have the Joystick ports or volume controls, the keyboard connector is around back, standard 25 pin printer port, and no DOS/Deskmate in ROM. It also uses the slightly newer TL2 style case...but otherwise functionally identical.
About this WD IDE controller, do you think it would be possible to replace the WD BIOS with XTIDE Universal BIOS? If it works, you'd be able to connect pretty everything to this 8-bit controller.... I'm just curious....
In my Atari PC3 I once tried a 16-bit hdd & floppy controller which had his own bios ans I managed to get a 80mb Western Digital working on it. Some 16-bit cards do work in an 8-bit slot. A Trident 8900 VGA card also works in a 8-bit slot since I upgraded that PC3 from EGA onboard to VGA by trying such card.
My first computer in 1989 was a Tandy 1000 SL. It wasn't the 2 version and only had one 5 1/4 floppy, and no HD. Only had 512 kb ram that I upgraded to 640 kb. I eventually added a color VGA card and color monitor.
First! That was an awesome video! The faulty monitor is probably due to a bad solder joint in the monitor. It looks magical, though! Oh, and I definitely need to subscribe to those other #SepTandy channels! You’re definitely selling them!
What keyboard are you using for this? I can't find that particular style of keyboard that uses the 7 pin connection, unless you're not using one with 7 pins.
Ahhh this western digital ide hard drive is a piece of choice, really rare! At that time I don't see if it work on video. Unfortunately my two mfm western digital 262 (tandon for one) are dead, stiction for one, error 80 for the second during low level format, my two fuji (rll / mfm) still working . Like on Toshiba T3xxx series the floppy drive is like mfm generation, mine is a 26 pins with integrated power. The protocol is the same because i ve replace it with standard floppy drive, adapter and some tips.
Just a quick point of note, those old Western Digital XT-IDE hard drives should NOT be confused with the more modern XT-IDE Universal BIOS, or ATA IDE drives. They are NOT compatible.
I've never come across a hardcard myself. They don't seem like they were super rare but still uncommon. pretty handy though, I wouldn't mind having one or two.
I had an XT clone with an MFM hard card years ago. Got rid of it with a bunch of other old computers from XT's to early Pentiums when they were too old to be useful, but before I got into "retro" computing.
I received a 1000 SL for Christmas in 1988; it included dual floppy drives (5.25, 3.5), but no hard drive. The "official" hard card was way too expensive, and I never found a source for a third-party option. I retired that PC in 1993 in favour of a 486.
Pretty funky that you managed to find an original Tandy enhanced keyboard in Belgian layout. The monitor looks to be an original Philips unit, might even be a modified version of the Commodore 1084.
@@RetroSpector78 Yeah I was wondering how common these special Tandy keyboards with AZERTY layout were in general, or if they were sold a lot with regular XT keyboards in Belgian layout. I'd guess that vendor-specific keyboards in a non-US layout would be pretty uncommon.
At least the PSU wasn't ran with no airflow. Also, it looks like this PSU uses film caps in places where the blown-up PSU RetroSpector78 is trying to repair has ceramics.... Less prone to thermal degradation as the film doesn't crack internally from excess heat like ceramics. Of course, the fan has to be left off long enough to get too much heat for the ceramics, however, the age of these PCs, it's better to not chance any lack of airflow for any time, just in case.
Are there any vintage computing channels not doing Tandy stuff right now? As much as Tandy is popular, I personally dont like them. Although, I do have a model 100 and an all-in-one style Tandy. Havent done anything with any of them though.
I kind of thought of them as the off-brand PC (*) back in the day. But after learning the history of both IBM and Tandy, they really did have their day in the sun back then. I am a proud owner of an RL-HD now. :-) * Ironically, I grew up with PC clones. I think my misplaced feeling of superiority stems from being introduced to PCs on a 386DX with VGA, and having a few friends that “had computers,” only to find out they were still rocking XT or AT class Tandy machines with EGA-class graphics. There was quite a disparity of deployed hardware out there for a while, thanks to how fast PC tech was moving.
I have one of those XT IDE hard drives, but unfortunately I have not been able to use it because I don't have a controller card that is compatible with those.
Crazy to think how this machine mounted a CPU which was a developed a whole decade earlier than most the chips on the board. I mean, wasn't '89 really late for an 8086 CPU based PC?
Nice machine, quite neat and integrated for it’s time. Weird that they didn’t use a mini molex on the 3.5” floppy, Teac must have made some special version, really annoying if you ever had to replace it. The Tandy sound is BBC micro and Sega Mastersystem sound, it’s the exact same Texas Instruments chip and quite a bit better then PC-speaker (familair with both machines, I have a Beep model B and a Sega myself).
This was great, I really like how DOS and Deskmate were in ROM and thus always available. Could I please make a request/suggestion. I'd really appreciate it if you were to enable subtitles, even the auto-generated ones. I always have the subtitles turned on when available, as my hearing isn't great and that way I can at least get the jist of what is being said, even if the automatic subtitles get the words wrong.
I think I have an identical Looking WD drive that came out of a tandy 1000 as well, but mine looks like an IDE drive, not a card actually mines a WD93024-X, alot of the chips on mine say "proto" on the hard disk
when you first described the hard drive you said it was IDE then when you reinstalled the drive i thought i heard you call it an MFM drive....just curious
It sounds like the RLL/MFM drives of the time since they were all based on stepper motor actuators vs. the voice coil armature that is often associated with IDE (and SCSI and SATA.)
There are lots of great retro youtube creators out there and I am happy to give a shout out to them. This was more of a curated list of channels that have “officially” signed up for Septandy.
They seem to be quite popular in France and Belgium for some reason. I’ve sent more Tandy items to those two countries, followed by Australia in a distant third place.
@@rkrenickiI know that RadioShack wasn't officially in central-eastern Europe, but if I'm right, here were some third party importers of Tandy 1000 series in Poland just after the collapse of communism (I'm pretty sure that I've seen some ads in local computer magazines from that era) but I cannot find any proof of that in the net. Offtop: during the early 80's we've got a TRS-80 Model 1 compatible clone called Meritum-3, but nowadays it's extremely hard to find any example due to a limited production - thanks, communism! :)
It's not a MFM or RLL drive it's a ST-506 or ST-412 hdd formatted as MFM or RLL. Harddrives where not MFM or RLL specific. With a ST-412-RLL controller you can format any ST-412 with RLL encoding and gain 50% capacity. I had a hdd that was factory specified to be 20MB MFM-formatted, however when I invoked the Low-Level formatter in the controller firmware I was able to re-low-level-format it as a 30MB with RLL-Encoding no problems whatsoever.
4:16 "Philips also use this type of monitors" I bet it was built in Philips' CRT factory at Chubei, Hsinchu county, Taiwan: goo.gl/maps/76SpE2LhyNSEDD2g7 The location is now known as "Chang Yih Hi-Tech Industrial Park" but had been abandoned for almost two decades after Philips withdrew its Chubei factory in October 2000 after 30 years of operation (established in 1970); with the time machine function of Google Maps you could see the old gate with three Philips' flag poles still standing just a few years ago.
Have a couple of those monochrome monitors that have the same shape and product code, they are just branded differently. Not 100% sure but could be that Commodore also had a monitor like that.
It is an XT-IDE drive in fact....(not compatible with the more common AT based IDE drives) I thought I removed all references to MFM from the video ... but Iad already edited some voiceovers before I took a more detailed look at the hard card ... guess my excitement (or laziness) got the better of me.
@@RetroSpector78 Technically it is an MFM drive. The complete MFM controller is integrated on the drive's PCB, the cable and "controller" board only connects the drive's PCB to the system bus. Hence the name "Integrated Drive Electronics" (IDE)
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I had a 1000 TL with the hard card. I believe it was a 20 MB drive - and it was the greatest thing at the time. I worked at Radio Shack at the time. Sold lots of computers and enjoyed working with the customers who were doing many things for the first time - payroll, invoicing, and games. Cool stuff! Thanks for the video!
Yeah must have been a special time. So
Many things to discover and the amount of new things these computers could do was enormous. Someone else also said that back in the day it seemed every computer owner was a nerd / thinkerer. There was so much stuff to discover.
A wonderful video -- and excellent overview of the Tandy 1000 S/L. I love that these machines had DOS and DeskMate on ROM -- a smart move by Tandy. Oh, man, amber displays are mesmerizingly beautiful to me. I look forward to the future repair of your VM-16. 👍 Finally, thanks for the solid shoutouts to all of us other #SepTandy participants -- this is such a great retro computer event.
G’day mate. Thanks for joining us officially this year for #SepTandy.
PS: I loved the “Artist formerly known as....” Brilliant.
Thx again for the invitation !
Tech Tangents is awesome.
• 8:13 - Actually, drives-on-expansion-cards has made a comeback thanks to NVME/M.2 drives.
• 9:41 - RLL drives were so vulnerable with their interrupters exposed like this drive's stepper-motor shaft. 😬
• 11:25 - Socket [wrench/bit].
• 14:18 - It was pretty cool that the Tandy's had DOS and DeskMate in the EEPROM.
• 17:14 - It's probably got a cold-joint somewhere. People mock, but hitting TVs/monitors _does_ work.
On the monitor another possibility I think is some of the pots were just really dirty and not making a good connection.
Agreed on the monitor, the cold solder joint is probably somewhere in the horizontal oscillator since it loses horizontal sync. Also check the capacitors while you're in there because it had some horizontal collapse which is a tell-tale sign of bad caps.
NVME/M.2 are solid state, so that doesn't really count...
@@BlackEpyon Those were never really out of fashion in the first place, since CompactFlash is PCMCIA, which is essentially ISA.
(And by that logic, IDE drives would also count as 'expansion cards' because IDE/ATA is just 16-bit ISA put on a cable.)
@@Stoney3K I meant more along the lines of having spinning magnetic platters on a card instead of mounted in a drive bay like normal.
IDE just means that the drive electronics are all onboard the drive itself, with the controller card serving the ROM, buffers, and some basic switching logic, which is why ATA IDE drives are so universally cross compatible without the need to reformat between controllers. The controller is just the interface to the system bus. By comparison, MFM hard drives needed to be formatted on the controller card they'd be used with, because the controller card told the drive how to operate.
Somebody needs to sit down and document what the difference is between these old Western Digital "XT-IDE," and the more "modern" ATA IDE that we're all familiar with. All I know is that the two are not compatible. Problem is that those old WD XT-IDE devices are so few and far between these days, that it's almost impossible to find documentation on it.
Very nice computer and that yellow screen is fascinating. Excellent!
Nice, thanks for sharing. Great memories playing on my Tandy 1000 SL2. 😎
Never owned a hardcard for it, but I did have the Tandy 1000 SL/2. I wish I still had it, but I donated it to someone else as I had outgrew it. I think it was kinda outdated at that time as well. So I don't know they got any practical use out of it. Maybe it's in a tech museum somewhere being entertained by daily visitors. =)
Oh this is nice! I've never seen a Tandy in person, they were to my knowledge never sold here (Sweden).
It's easy to see why many love these: beautiful board, nice and clean layout. I do have a soft spot for these large all-integrated motherboards.
Very cool to see that old WD hard card again! I once had a very similar or even the same in a 286 clone I owned briefly. Sounded just like how I remember mine, lovely! :)
Looking forwards to future parts, I'm always curious to see what software you find.
Very nice, love the amber monitor too. Looking forward to part 2
Yes, so much better as opposed to green. But I’ll take 16 different colors anyday and would be happy to trade it for a proper tandy color monitor :)
Thank you, I makes me happy to see you along side all those other Channels :)
Almost every Philips-manufactured CRT monitor I've ever seen developed a problem like that, where tapping the side fixed it temporarily. Not sure if it's solder joints, the flyback transformer, or both. But I've certainly smacked around a lot of Philips monitors to get them working again...
The issue with the CRT is a missing vsync or bad sync IC. (Probably not cause at some point it was syncing up correctly)
Some thorough cleaning and easy to replace components should sort it right out.
Will need to look into that ... tomorrow I'm dropping of some monitors to some people that know more about them than I do. Will keep you posted.
It may need some contact cleaner into those controls on the rear.
The percussive maintenance getting it working makes me think it's a dry solder joint. When I can't find them I use a small torch, though hot air is probably better, and just spiral it around the whole board to ever so slightly reflow things. Putting the whole board in an oven like people do to reflow gpus etc might even work for that.
@@SimonQuigley good advice, but I wouldn't do the oven with a CRT board since many of the parts have plastic bits (pots, flyback, .... )
@@spwim For sure, I wouldn't either, on a board with any parts like that, I was just kind of brainstorming, and that's why I'd stay with using hot air to be safe, since you can control exactly where you're putting the heat. It just depends on how lazy someone is :-) and if the board doesn't work at all to start with, you don't have much to lose :-)
I can't wait to see some 16 color Tandy graphics, and I hope we'll get the hear that iconic Tandy 3-voice sound too. I really want a Tandy-1000 in my collection.
Wolfbayne got 3 other videos on the Tandy 1000 TL if you cannot wait for part 2 of this series :)
@@RetroSpector78 Already watched them twice :P
I still have my Tandy 1000 HX with 640k ram upgrade. So much time spent playing Ultima 5, Bards Tale and F19 Stealth Fighter on it lol. Sadly my Tandy 16 color monitor died.
The Tandy SL (1) was my first MS-DOS compatible computer. I begged my mom to get me one because i saw the audio sampler. I didn't know about the Amiga until after I got this. I eventually saved up for a used Amiga 1000 as soon as I discovered it. That thing blew me away!
FWIW, My first computer was a Coleco ADAM. That was a nice computer, with limited software.
I really need to start working on my Amiga collection. Have been procrastinating it, like so much other stuff. I started with c64, amiga500 and then a 486. Never got to experience anything < 486 back in the day
Ah, good old monitor smacking. In the old days this is how we fixed everything.
hehe .... I am going to try and fix it properly, despite the fact that monitors aren't exactly my cup of tea.
"Percussive Maintenance".
@@RetroSpector78 😊good luck
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Tappy-tap-tap percussive maintenance.
I have the Panasonic FX-1650, which is a slightly modified rebranded version of the 1000 SL2. It does not have the Joystick ports or volume controls, the keyboard connector is around back, standard 25 pin printer port, and no DOS/Deskmate in ROM. It also uses the slightly newer TL2 style case...but otherwise functionally identical.
Did not know about that one ... nice.
This is really cool thank you for posting this, those old hard drives are really loud
i love the sound from that old hard drivers!!!!!!
yeah ... the sound of the stepper motor on these things give them a very unique sound.
@@RetroSpector78 YOUR CHANNEL IS SO GOOD LIKE ElectroBOOM and The 8-Bit Guy!
Possibly cold solder joints on the neck board connector.
About this WD IDE controller, do you think it would be possible to replace the WD BIOS with XTIDE Universal BIOS? If it works, you'd be able to connect pretty everything to this 8-bit controller.... I'm just curious....
I doubt it. XT-IDE from this generation is not to be confused with XUB. The old XT-IDE wasn't even compatible with the later ATAPI IDE.
In my Atari PC3 I once tried a 16-bit hdd & floppy controller which had his own bios ans I managed to get a 80mb Western Digital working on it. Some 16-bit cards do work in an 8-bit slot. A Trident 8900 VGA card also works in a 8-bit slot since I upgraded that PC3 from EGA onboard to VGA by trying such card.
My first computer in 1989 was a Tandy 1000 SL. It wasn't the 2 version and only had one 5 1/4 floppy, and no HD. Only had 512 kb ram that I upgraded to 640 kb. I eventually added a color VGA card and color monitor.
1200 Canadian for the computer back in 1989 and 400 for the 40 MB hardcard hard drive.
First!
That was an awesome video! The faulty monitor is probably due to a bad solder joint in the monitor. It looks magical, though!
Oh, and I definitely need to subscribe to those other #SepTandy channels! You’re definitely selling them!
You win a tin of Pilchards. gratz
Lame!
Will try and check the monitor for part 2.
You possibly need to de-oxide the horizontal and vertical pots.
I love that sound MFM drives make.
It is an XT-IDE drive in fact. Sorry for the mixup. I know I said both in the video.
@@RetroSpector78
Oh right, Tandys featured XT-IDE from the start, as they were IBM clones.
What keyboard are you using for this? I can't find that particular style of keyboard that uses the 7 pin connection, unless you're not using one with 7 pins.
Ohhhhh, that hard drive sounds awesome.
Indeed ... and super happy that it works !
Better get that drive copied!
Ahhh this western digital ide hard drive is a piece of choice, really rare! At that time I don't see if it work on video. Unfortunately my two mfm western digital 262 (tandon for one) are dead, stiction for one, error 80 for the second during low level format, my two fuji (rll / mfm) still working .
Like on Toshiba T3xxx series the floppy drive is like mfm generation, mine is a 26 pins with integrated power. The protocol is the same because i ve replace it with standard floppy drive, adapter and some tips.
Just a quick point of note, those old Western Digital XT-IDE hard drives should NOT be confused with the more modern XT-IDE Universal BIOS, or ATA IDE drives. They are NOT compatible.
Did Tandy steal the "hard card" from Plus or did Plus steal it from Tandy? My Tandy 1000 had the hard card added to it.
I've never come across a hardcard myself. They don't seem like they were super rare but still uncommon. pretty handy though, I wouldn't mind having one or two.
I had an XT clone with an MFM hard card years ago. Got rid of it with a bunch of other old computers from XT's to early Pentiums when they were too old to be useful, but before I got into "retro" computing.
I received a 1000 SL for Christmas in 1988; it included dual floppy drives (5.25, 3.5), but no hard drive. The "official" hard card was way too expensive, and I never found a source for a third-party option. I retired that PC in 1993 in favour of a 486.
Pretty funky that you managed to find an original Tandy enhanced keyboard in Belgian layout.
The monitor looks to be an original Philips unit, might even be a modified version of the Commodore 1084.
It helps living in Belgium :)
@@RetroSpector78 Yeah I was wondering how common these special Tandy keyboards with AZERTY layout were in general, or if they were sold a lot with regular XT keyboards in Belgian layout.
I'd guess that vendor-specific keyboards in a non-US layout would be pretty uncommon.
amazing amber monitor...... where is the battery?
Can’t believe you didn’t take all the crud off the PSU fan when you had it out
I know I know .... time pressure ... will make sure it is all shiny and new for part 2 :)
At least the PSU wasn't ran with no airflow.
Also, it looks like this PSU uses film caps in places where the blown-up PSU RetroSpector78 is trying to repair has ceramics....
Less prone to thermal degradation as the film doesn't crack internally from excess heat like ceramics.
Of course, the fan has to be left off long enough to get too much heat for the ceramics, however, the age of these PCs, it's better to not chance any lack of airflow for any time, just in case.
So a math co-processor upgrade in part 2?
I had to use the link you provided.... turns out that there is more than one Josh Malone with a UA-cam channel.
I hope I plugged the correct one in the video :)
Are there any vintage computing channels not doing Tandy stuff right now? As much as Tandy is popular, I personally dont like them. Although, I do have a model 100 and an all-in-one style Tandy. Havent done anything with any of them though.
Ah, a time when Tandy briefly ruled the computer industry (or something close to it).
I kind of thought of them as the off-brand PC (*) back in the day. But after learning the history of both IBM and Tandy, they really did have their day in the sun back then. I am a proud owner of an RL-HD now. :-)
* Ironically, I grew up with PC clones. I think my misplaced feeling of superiority stems from being introduced to PCs on a 386DX with VGA, and having a few friends that “had computers,” only to find out they were still rocking XT or AT class Tandy machines with EGA-class graphics. There was quite a disparity of deployed hardware out there for a while, thanks to how fast PC tech was moving.
I have one of those XT IDE hard drives, but unfortunately I have not been able to use it because I don't have a controller card that is compatible with those.
I just checked. Model of the hard drive is Seagate ST325X
Crazy to think how this machine mounted a CPU which was a developed a whole decade earlier than most the chips on the board. I mean, wasn't '89 really late for an 8086 CPU based PC?
Nice machine, quite neat and integrated for it’s time. Weird that they didn’t use a mini molex on the 3.5” floppy, Teac must have made some special version, really annoying if you ever had to replace it. The Tandy sound is BBC micro and Sega Mastersystem sound, it’s the exact same Texas Instruments chip and quite a bit better then PC-speaker (familair with both machines, I have a Beep model B and a Sega myself).
This was great, I really like how DOS and Deskmate were in ROM and thus always available.
Could I please make a request/suggestion. I'd really appreciate it if you were to enable subtitles, even the auto-generated ones. I always have the subtitles turned on when available, as my hearing isn't great and that way I can at least get the jist of what is being said, even if the automatic subtitles get the words wrong.
I will look into it .. .thought it was enabled by default actually.
@@RetroSpector78 I just came back to this video and it's enabled now, weird, unless you enabled it, in which case, thank you!
What is up with the A and Z keys in different places on the Tandy Enhanced keyboard?
This is an AZERTY layout keyboard, meaning it was most likely sold in France.
Or Belgium :)
@@RetroSpector78 I always forget about Belgium.
Nukleon shame on you ! ;)
@@Nukle0n I love good beer, so I always remember Belgium :)
18:57 whats goes in the unpopulated U13 IC socket?
Nice video :) I need to get myself a Tandy.
Thx .... and you should ... just make sure you have it by september 2021 ! :)
@@RetroSpector78 hehe yes :)
I think I have an identical Looking WD drive that came out of a tandy 1000 as well, but mine looks like an IDE drive, not a card actually mines a WD93024-X, alot of the chips on mine say "proto" on the hard disk
11:25 6-point socket, hex socket, or just socket.
Nut driver. :-)
when you first described the hard drive you said it was IDE then when you reinstalled the drive i thought i heard you call it an MFM drive....just curious
It sounds like the RLL/MFM drives of the time since they were all based on stepper motor actuators vs. the voice coil armature that is often associated with IDE (and SCSI and SATA.)
Don't forget Noel's Retro Lab. He has less than 4k subscribers and does similar material to Adrian and RetroSpector78. Show him some love.
There are lots of great retro youtube creators out there and I am happy to give a shout out to them. This was more of a curated list of channels that have “officially” signed up for Septandy.
Didn't you say that the harddrive was an XT-IDE based one, and not MFM?
Yeah ... initially thought it was MFM but then I noticed the ide cable :) thought I removed all MFM references
@@RetroSpector78 MFM reference at 14:45. You let one slip. :)
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Wow, I wasn't aware that Tandy was available also on our continent! :)
They seem to be quite popular in France and Belgium for some reason. I’ve sent more Tandy items to those two countries, followed by Australia in a distant third place.
@@rkrenickiI know that RadioShack wasn't officially in central-eastern Europe, but if I'm right, here were some third party importers of Tandy 1000 series in Poland just after the collapse of communism (I'm pretty sure that I've seen some ads in local computer magazines from that era) but I cannot find any proof of that in the net.
Offtop: during the early 80's we've got a TRS-80 Model 1 compatible clone called Meritum-3, but nowadays it's extremely hard to find any example due to a limited production - thanks, communism! :)
It's not a MFM or RLL drive it's a ST-506 or ST-412 hdd formatted as MFM or RLL. Harddrives where not MFM or RLL specific. With a ST-412-RLL controller you can format any ST-412 with RLL encoding and gain 50% capacity. I had a hdd that was factory specified to be 20MB MFM-formatted, however when I invoked the Low-Level formatter in the controller firmware I was able to re-low-level-format it as a 30MB with RLL-Encoding no problems whatsoever.
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11:25 its a 1/4" socket.
Dunno what to say but I say it anyway.
4:16 "Philips also use this type of monitors"
I bet it was built in Philips' CRT factory at Chubei, Hsinchu county, Taiwan: goo.gl/maps/76SpE2LhyNSEDD2g7
The location is now known as "Chang Yih Hi-Tech Industrial Park" but had been abandoned for almost two decades after Philips withdrew its Chubei factory in October 2000 after 30 years of operation (established in 1970); with the time machine function of Google Maps you could see the old gate with three Philips' flag poles still standing just a few years ago.
Have a couple of those monochrome monitors that have the same shape and product code, they are just branded differently. Not 100% sure but could be that Commodore also had a monitor like that.
We need Amstrad/Sinclair month!
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At 15 minutes you say it is a MFM drive but earlier you said it was not MFM
Editing mistake .... at first glance I assumed it would be MFM and went with it ... corrected it in post but this mistake got under the radar.
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You're saying this is IDE hard drive, and then this is MFM hard drive. So, what is it indeed?
It is an XT-IDE drive in fact....(not compatible with the more common AT based IDE drives) I thought I removed all references to MFM from the video ... but Iad already edited some voiceovers before I took a more detailed look at the hard card ... guess my excitement (or laziness) got the better of me.
@@RetroSpector78 thank you for explanation. Great video as always!
Thx a lot appreciate it.
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I think, this is a IDE HDD... Not a MFM...
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Was just making sure you were paying attention :) it is an XT-IDE drive. Thought I removed all MFM references after I pulled the hard card.
@@RetroSpector78 Technically it is an MFM drive. The complete MFM controller is integrated on the drive's PCB, the cable and "controller" board only connects the drive's PCB to the system bus. Hence the name "Integrated Drive Electronics" (IDE)
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1:59 to skip the meat.
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Hello, we are making a upgraded version of TH99 and there's the motherboard of your computer over here www.win3x.org/uh19/motherboard/show/4822
Would you like to help us ? A photo of your motherboard would be very nice. So I'm asking you the authorization to use the image from your video (unless you made a photo with better quality ?)
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