That is charging done right !! As a newbie EV owner, my big concern is charging availability on long trips, for everyday journeys I can charge at home. Thanks for the positive video.
@@johnpedelty3866 Why??? you've got Ferrybridge, and a lovely bank of of 300kw chargers at Weatherby services and if going A19 Sowerby services new 8 chargers and I'm North of Leeds and have a Fastned 2 miles from me.
@@EXSKIN Thanks for your advice about charging in the North of England.Unfortunately the three venues you recommend are more than a one hour drive away from me. Without a home charger how do I get the initial charge to start the journey? The only public charger in my town is a 7kw in a time restricted supermarket car park.I don't have time to spend time there through the day and the car park is closed by barriers every night when the store closes. Much as I would like an EV, for me and a lot of people like me, it just seems totally impractical.
Banbury Instavolt has been my go to for a journey i do twice a year since it was 8 units, though I haven't been past for a year now, hopefully will be able to visit this year. ETA good to see they've put pedestrian crossing in now.
My local Shell forecourt has 4 new rapid chargers with a canopy. I think this is a great format, you can plug in and charge under cover and there's a shop/cafe if you are there for a while
@@bill_heywood Thats great my local station closed down for two years and rebuilt it with a big shop and Greggs but no chargers but the pub opposite just got 3 Osprey chargers .
Found this info about the green bays. “In line with PAS1899 specification for accessible charge points, the site now includes twelve wider access bays and four fully accessible bays. The four accessible bays have the required 1.2m distancing in front of, and between the chargepoints.”
Strange, the wider bays are next to the green ones, yet the chargers are in rows of 8, so all the bays look pretty much the same size. It is a spacious site.
@@GoGreenAutos - it’s all to do with making the infrastructure fully accessible for disabled users. The wider bays still don’t conform to BSI PAS 1899:2022 accessibility standard! The green bays are more compliant; but frustratingly not marked up properly as priority for disabled users; the fact that they are green is even more confusing as they should be blue to tie in the the Blue Badge. It’s a such a shame that InstaVolt continually get the details wrong when it comes to making their infrastructure fully accessible for all to use; very poor once again :(
Thank you for highlighting this venue. Stopped and used the Tesla charger there today for the first time and it was a breeze. It’s roughly halfway on our regular journey south. 😊😊😊
@@rtfazeberdee3519 So if all are in use you only get 25kW? I don't see that as a good thing! The earlier Tesla Superchargers also need to do some sharing but the newer V3 like in the video don't have that restriction.
Very interesting and extremely useful. Thanks. But also depressing. The cable being dropped and kicked aside was certainly shocking but, for me, unsurprising. A few years ago EV drivers were a respectful commmunity. But now those days seem long gone. Thanks again for all your videos - I really enjoy them!
My son-in-law used that charger last week and had the same problem. He intended leaving the cable on the ground but my daughter had a go and managed to get it to stay in place after 5 attempts. She should have reported it to Tesla, but was in a hurry so didn't. Of course that doesn't excuse the Model Y driver for kicking it, but he wasn't quite as irresponsible as it may have seemed at first.
Those are very highly rated Kenpower units that Osprey is using. You should watch Bjorn Nyland coverage of them. They are expanding out of the Nordics to the UK and USA. If you are going to cover the field Kenpower is def a player you need to catch up on
Yes a lot of people have mentioned them. I very rarely use public DC chargers as do most of my charging at home. But when I do, its on the Tesla Superchargers as this is free for me. So a lot of the progress with the other networks is passing me by.
I quite often stop at Stroud Park (Instavolt) and it's a very good site where you're pretty much guaranteed a charger even at the busiest of times. My only complaint is that it's too close to my house when I'm doing long journeys!
Matt, I lived in Banbury for over 30 years, and I think the answer as to why there are so many charge points is down to the "Adapt or die" approach that Cherwell District Council have had to take. With the closure of the Upper Heyford USAF base, this took some £50m out of the local economy. So the arrival of the M40 extension was very welcome. The Chief Exec at the council had a very successful scheme promoting Banbury as a place for businesses to relocate to , from London. In my time there, the town more than doubled in population. It has a history of engineering and printing expertise, and has now added being a logistics hub. The elected officials have often needed being poked with a sharp stick, to move them along, but it seems someone is still fulfilling that role.
Some other councils need to watch how Banbury are doing this, not just the chargers, but the industry and businesses that have located themselves there, bringing employment. (Shame Arrival may not survive)
The only problem I've had with Stroud Park is the amount of times chargers just haven't started charging and I've had to try at multiple different units to be able to actually start a charge. The site is brand new on the extension, but it seems to just fail so much at actually starting off the charging session. I've been locked to the units several times unable to take charge or disconnect. It's pretty poor service, once started it's a nice and quick one. Thankfully the Costa has plenty of seating and toilets to use.
There should be a manual charger release button (or release pull cable) for many EV. Is there such feature in your EV? Check the car manual if you are not sure, because some pull cable is quite hidden.
Banbury is a handy location but why just keep stuffing one location with more and more? Presumably for some quirk, there's excess power available? It would be more helpful to spread the chargers out elsewhere.
@@MyImperfectEcoJourney South... Phew :) yes I'm heading North. Sorry about that, I didn't want you wasting a journey and I double checked my dates cos I didn't want to have made a mistake either. :)
It's a bit earlier than I would go for on my way to Heathrow airport from Worcester but if the chargers are that good and I can use the Tesla ones I might drop in for a top up.
In the Northern Town of 30,000 people where I live there are two chargers in two supermarkets which both have time restricted parking. In the small towns and villages in this area there are no public chargers at all. The nearest motorway service station is 15 miles away. How can the thousands of people in this area who cannot charge at home ever consider buying an EV even if they could afford one?
@@johnpedelty3866 Same in Lincolnshire 😔. It’s ok for folks who live here and can charge from home but it won’t do anything to encourage visitors and one of the main “industries” is tourism. The local council needs to up its game considerably, they probably couldn’t afford to install charging hubs but they could expedite planning and lean on DNOs to facilitate their construction. As usual there seems to be very little joined up thinking. I think “up north” will get infrastructure eventually but as usual most of it will lag “down south” private companies will come as EV usage/ownership spreads. (Bit like mobile phone networks).
Reading through some comments Im glad Im not the only one saying if using an ev for long trips ie basically having to put full charge its cheaper to use ice cars, people for get that if you need to stop for 1 to 2 hours to charge up its costing in food but when you fill the car with dino juice its just fuel and maybe a wee stop. I know of 3 people that love their ev but when they need to do 200 to 400 mile trip they use the ice car purely for the ease of one fill up and no hanging about.
EVs don't take 1-2 hours to charge. They will do a DC charge in 30-45 depending on the battery size. Even my Tesla with a 85kWh pack and the slowest charge rate (as its 9 years old) takes between 45 mins and 1 hour, but most of the time a charge is around 30-40 mins. Newer EVs charge twice as quick as this. The new 800V cars are doing a full charge in 18 mins. Yes, older EVs with smaller packs are slightly less convenient on a longer trip. But most drivers need a loo stop anyway and you do the charge then. After driving EVs for 7 years, I've not found it an issue at all and most of the time, the EV is charged and ready to go before we are and often we stop when the EV doesn't need to. Its really not the big issue that people think. And you have to remember, for most people, the car is driving locally, commuting to work, dropping kids of etc etc.
Sheffield is TERRIBLE for EV changing. Even the council owned; chargers are mostly out of order. They're so expensive that no one wanted to use them. Because of the infrequent use, the council have left them to rot. Lidl are doing a bang up job by putting Pod Point charges in their sites but, there isn't enough for the demand due to the lower price than anywhere else. I'm constantly 'waiting' at Lidl sites.
That's awesome to see. The price is crazy at the moment. Roughly the same price as an ICE car to run using public charging. Hopefully the price will come down soon. I wish nissan would just scrap the chademo connector and use CCS as an industry standard. The chargers would be cheaper to build. I've tried charging my Hyundai Ioniq Electric 28kwh at a Tesla supercharger. Unfortunately the connector doesn't fit because the LED light above the socket is in the way.
@@GoGreenAutos you can force the charger into the socket but I spoke to a few owners and they said they had trouble with it. Try yours out. Make a video on it.
Lots of people travel to the Lincolnshire coast at holiday time but the charging network around the Lincolnshire coast is absolutely pathetic. Often no more than one fast charger in a town and they're not always working. Is there any plan to improve the coastal areas?
There's been a huge amount of grant money available to councils for this, but many councils are doing nothing. EV charger companies will even install the infrastructure for free too, but it needs councils to release land. An example of this in Oxfordshire. The council has been releasing up space in car parks for the Fastned charging hub in Redbrige Park & Ride and "Park & Charge Oxfordshire" project where chargers have been installed across 14 towns. Videos on both these are on this channel.
These facilities look great. I'd be interested to know if there are facilities for EVs who are towing. Ideally if you could drive up to a charger with your trailer, but somewhere to unhitch your trailer close by would be OK.
No drive through bays or anywhere you can drive length ways next to the charger. So towing EVs still not catered for. However, for now, with so many there, you could park length ways and block a few chargers without upsetting anyone. There is space her to leave a trailer too. There's the two waiting bays, plus you'll noticed the lorries parked up on the entrance road.
Probably true. But then I wouldn't say they've done the bare minimum at the InstaVolt site here. There were 8 DC rapids at this site. They could have expanded to 16 and that would have been enough for a couple of years at least. But then they've put in a further 24.
FYI the CHAdeMO 1.0 spec supported up to 500v 125A, 2.0 maintained the same physical and comms bit6 increased to 1kv 400A. GridServe high-power hubs feature 400v and 200A CHAdeMO, which gets 80kw which is just above the maximum 76kw (190A) that the larger Nissan LEAF e+ can draw. But most charger operators, including those Ospreys units and InstaVolts, choose to only fit 125A (50kw) cables to their CHAdeMO plugs, presumably because they figure that the majority of CHAdeMO vehicles peak at about 47kw and just want to save a few pennies on supporting a standard that has been muscled out of the market and has a market of around 40,000 vehicles.
I believe it is possible to get a 50% discount on the Osprey chargers if you use the Bonnet (and possibly other?) apps? I'd give the pizzas a miss, but the chargers are good to see.... It's a guess, but Banbury probably has Council members who are "switched on" to the fact that EV's will play a large part in personal transport in the future. Some other Local Authorities seem almost oblivious to the fact that EV's are even a "thing".
Is it 50%? I did have a quick search through some of these schemes and it looked like the discounts had pretty much disappeared. It looks like Bonnet gives a 15% discount on charging for £8 per month. But then I've not needed to use such scheme myself.
This Alpitronics Hypercharger are 150kW max. On that generation and with that size they can host a max of two 75kW power units. But to know if it is the 75kW or the 150kW unit you have to find the model number or charge your car 😜
Yes, they have 30 DC rapid chargers with 12 of them being 350kW and 6 of them being Tesla only. The other 6 are AC chargers. So yes in terms of total number, they do pip Banbury. But Banbury has more rapids, open to more EVs, (i.e. not just Tesla). But a lack of AC charging at Banbury, which is an issue for many Zoe, Smart, Kangoo drivers.
Thanks. Good for Banbury, but its still only a drop in the ocean given the lack of chargers and poor reliability across the UK. Even motorway services have insufficient chargers to meet demand. Is there a national charging infrastructure plan ? No. Not after 14 years of Tory misrule.
Charging 75 to 79p kWh for non-Tesla charging is just high robbery. At least the Tesla charging network is cheaper between 55 to 66p kWh like you said. Still a bit expensive.
Yes, but the prices I put on the screen for the Tesla Superchargers were for non-Tesla charging. I think Teslas pay 41-51p depending on the time of day.
@@GoGreenAutos so if you drive Tesla and charge at Tesla supercharger, your charging cost maxed out at 51p kwh. While driving a non-Tesla EV usually max out at 66p to 79p kWh, depending if you at charge at 3rd party charger or supercharger that has opened up to non-Tesla. Still a big difference in cost.
There Kempower chargers, osprey is the operator. Kempower is the best brand for ev chargers. No discussion. Balanced charging, qr code, charge eye .... see bjorn videos and Kris Rifa
I really hope if what Dale Vince has said about electric price reductions this year comes true as current public charging prices have ruled out me switching to electric at the moment as I would need the savings from charging to enable me to switch and have no home charging option.
EVs have never been about lower running costs. They still are still, but it's about zero emissions. The message has been lost in recent years and focused more on the fact they were ridiculously cheap to run. This was a nice benefit, but just that, an added benefit.
@@GoGreenAutos the fact is I and others want to go zero emissions but economics need to stack up. I will only ever buy used, under £10k as well so hope to get a BMW i3 Rex as a first step in the future.
If you can charge at home (I know it's a big if for some people) you actually use expensive rapid chargers very infrequently. This means that they make little impact on the overall cost of running an EV. Despite electricity increases this means that it's still very much cheaper to "fuel" an EV ... unless you can't charge at home and depend entirely on high speed public chargers.
@@MrAdopado when I agree that charging rates are a lot lower for homeowners (not so good for daytime rates though) it's a lot more difficult when it comes to rented properties, landlords just don't want the extra expense, even with the incentives available. I'm in a rented flat and my landlord are just not interested, but our 12 flats are selling soon so hopefully the new landlords are better 😁
My car handbook says that using a less powerful charger improves the long term condition of an EV traction battery. The trend today seems to be higher and higher charging rates. How does this equate? 😮
There is a difference between AC chargers and DC chargers in terms of what it does to the battery but I’ve had a Model 3 LR for 3 1/2 years and 62k miles and my battery is working great. Maybe after 10 or 20 years it might make a difference but I’d take a faster charge if possible over a slower one when on a journey.
Not in the real world. The charge rate is dictated by the car anyway, as the charger is actually in the car, not what you plug in to. The message that lots of DC rapid charging does get repeated a lot. But in the real world, EVs that have had lots of rapid charges have batteries no worse that others. I've seen taxis that have had multiple rapid charges every day and their packs are the same as others. At the end of the day, the BMS manages the pack for you and it does a great job in most cases (not Nissan). So you charge how you want and let the car sort itself out.
@@lordpitnolen2196 The reason that batteries lose capacity with rapid charging is because rapid charging generates more heat - have you ever touched an as battery in a charger, it’s warm - and those things can be usb powered. Nissan Leafs don’t have active thermal management, so as the batteries warm up, nothing is taking that heat away - Tesla have their octopump, others use liquid pumped into a radiator (like ice cars do) and yet others have heat sinks and fans. Leafs have none of this, so the heat just builds up in the battery. Heat hurts batteries by allowing electroplating to happen - the anodes get plated with chemicals from the liquid/gel. As the anode gets plated, it can’t act as an anode anymore, so that battery loses square meters of voltage generation. The hotter your battery is, the faster this happens. So hopefully you understand why Nissan don’t want you charging at high speeds - but other manufacturers are ok with it. Don’t let this worry you however, I’m also on my second leaf knowing this, it’s not that big a deal as the car knows the temperature of the battery and manages the charging rate.
An opportunity for a network to add a proper charging hub nearby. My one experience of motorway charging was at Hilton Park - what an absolute dump !!! Local authorities really need to pull their fingers out - some hope ☹️.
That is what the green painted area is intended for. But you're right, we need drive through bays. These will come. At the moment there's hardly any EVs towing so no demand, but of course this will change.
Unfortunately commercial electricity prices are sky high and not capped in the same way residential is. Many of these commercial customers are paying 90p pkWh +VAT for their energy. Plus infrastructure like this costs about £20-30,000 per unit to install and then needs maintaining too. They're not greedy. Far from it. Most are probably running at a loss and much of the infrastructure is only being installed because of grants.
@@CrazedCrittic Yes cheaper for some - those that can't charge from home...currently. But if you can charge from home, even with the increased electricity prices, EVs are still massively cheaper to run. But who said EVs should be cheaper to run? Its all about no poisonous gasses out the back and that message has been lost over the last few years. Being cheaper to run has just been an added benefit.
Sadly not. Its not just the Zoe is AC charging only. The Renault Kangoo ZE22 & ZE33, the Smart Fortwo and Forfour, the Mercedes B-class. Charging sites really do need to put some 22kW AC charging in. Its much cheaper hardware and every EV can use it, even if only at 7kW on most.
Every EV owner now realising they’ve paid twice as much money for their car, and are paying twice as much to fuel them compared to equivalent ICE vehicle - and still trying to justify it, its just laughable 😂. Kudos to Matt though for showing us the real cost of running them especially if using public charging, and not hiding it
@@GoGreenAutos You might pay 7.5p for 4 hrs a night- but you are paying more than anyone else for the other 20hrs a day I always laugh at how people skew the figures to suit their narrative 😂
@@AndyC2_ Along with most EV owners I only use these type of expensive chargers on a handful of occasions a year on long trips! Almost all of my charging is 7.5p per kWh at home so my annual fuel costs are massively less than petrol or diesel despite the recent electricity increases.
@@MrAdopado You pay 7.5p for 4hrs a night - the other 20hrs of electric is way more expensive than anyone else pays. I love how people skew the figures to suit their narrative 😂
@@AndyC2_ Not skewing the narrative at all. Yes I pay ~2p more during the day. Looking at our last bill, we used 523kWh in the month. 339kWh was during the 4 hour cheap rate and 184kWh at peak rate. So it is saving a fortune by using a cheap rate over night tariff, in our case Octopus Go. We put the dishwasher and washing machine at the cheap rate too and it saves us a lot of money too.
I hate stopping to fill my car up with petrol, something that takes my e around 4 minutes. all that kerfuffle to get some juice in a battery, no thanks 🙃
The reality is that if you can charge at home, you do this overnight on cheap rate electricity while not using the car, so it is ZERO effort. Using these public chargers is quite a rare occurrence for many EV drivers. My partner hasn't used one in nearly 3 years, yet she drives 15,000 miles per year. If you charge at home EVs, are still considerably cheaper and much easier than driving fossil fuel vehicles and obviously better for our health. If you can't charge from home, then they currently are now more expensive to run, due to the high electricity prices, but we know who to blame for that!
So 20 p per mile almost to charge at 4 miles per kwhr and 79p per kwhr and waiting hours to charge cumulatively on a long run, whilst a big diesel car is paying 13.8 p per mile at 51 mpg and £1.57 per litre and doesn't have to stop at all with your spouse as a driver as well apart from 5 minute pee stops, with a range of three times more on a motorway of around 650 miles. Also a £10k premium to own a logistically much worse car ? You can see why according to autotrader that interest in EV's has dropped by 2/3 rds. That charging area is no where near typical of the country, with most of the country suffering charger shortages compared with EV numbers and mostly slower 50kw chargers as well. I have owned an EV for over 7 years and charging is getting worse per EV, not better. Also my battery has lost nearly 1/3 rd of it's capacity in that Time and 32k miles. I never drive long distance in it now because of my nightmare long distance experiences, I always get the diesel out fir that and leave the EV for shorter journeys, within it's tethered home charger range on cheap overnight octopus go electricity. My experience after long term ownership is that there is no advantage at all owning an EV.
I've never heard of a battery losing one third of its capacity over 32K miles. Most will lose 1% a year or less, except a Nissan Leaf at around 3%. What EV do you have? The advantage has been you're not been producing poisonous gases out the back of your car!
If you can charge from home, they're still hugely cheaper even with the high costs of electricity since the war. Most EV drivers who can charge at home, will rarely use public DC rapid chargers. My partner does 15,000 miles a year and doesn't ever use them.
My colleague hired a couple of EV's to test the water before buying his new car. After 2 weeks of EV ownership he bought a petrol Touareg. I'm really interested in EV's as a technology but looking for and at charge points while out its not there yet. Quite a way to go in my opinion (as an electronics engineer).
79p Kw In my EV on a motorway that works out at 30p a mile In my wife’s petrol Hyundai it’s about 15p a mile for the same journey Insane compared to how it was a couple of years ago Lol
Yes, the war has skewed the pricing. But most will charge at home overnight on cheap rate electricity. I pay 7.5p pkWh to charge ours. Then would only use public rapid chargers like this when on a trip beyond the range. So not all your driving it at these high prices. Its a bit like filling your petrol car at a motorway services and paying their high prices. You wouldn't drive there every time to fill up!
A huge toxic fire waiting to happen if one vehicle go thermal runaway while charge all will go.If going to be realistic in this brave green future need fire proof barriers between each charge station so one fault cannot destroy a dozen other vehicles.
Well fossil fuels have done a great job in destroying our environment. Once all vehicles are electric at least we won't be poisoning our kids with poor air quality in towns and cities.
Electric cars aren't green. You need to walk or use a bike to be truly green. But they ARE considerably greener than petrol or diesel vehicles. Just look into the impact the fossil fuel industry has on the environment and the amount of energy they consume to make the fuel.
That is charging done right !!
As a newbie EV owner, my big concern is charging availability on long trips, for everyday journeys I can charge at home.
Thanks for the positive video.
Your welcome
Don't venture north of Leeds.
@@johnpedelty3866 Why??? you've got Ferrybridge, and a lovely bank of of 300kw chargers at Weatherby services and if going A19 Sowerby services new 8 chargers and I'm North of Leeds and have a Fastned 2 miles from me.
@@EXSKIN Thanks for your advice about charging in the North of England.Unfortunately the three venues you recommend are more than a one hour drive away from me. Without a home charger how do I get the initial charge to start the journey? The only public charger in my town is a 7kw in a time restricted supermarket car park.I don't have time to spend time there through the day and the car park is closed by barriers every night when the store closes. Much as I would like an EV, for me and a lot of people like me, it just seems totally impractical.
Wow! Banbury certainly setting the bar for all others to reach for. Very nice indeed
Banbury Instavolt has been my go to for a journey i do twice a year since it was 8 units, though I haven't been past for a year now, hopefully will be able to visit this year.
ETA good to see they've put pedestrian crossing in now.
You wont have any doubts about finding a free charger now!
Very good, hoping the rest of the Uk come up to this standard soon. There are alot more Ev drivers that Ive been noticing on the roads.
Yes loads on the roads now, particularly Tesla Model Ys.
Great to see the state of EV infrastructure. Why they are building hubs without canopies I don't know - it does rain in the UK occasionally
That's right. You get canopies over petrol pumps.
But then you don't stand outside holding the charge plug, like you do a petrol pump! :-)
@@GoGreenAutos Bjørn Nyland said that the canopies for petrol stations are for fires .
@@rodden1953 Love that. Not sure if its true, but it makes sense. Don't tell the EV haters!
My local Shell forecourt has 4 new rapid chargers with a canopy. I think this is a great format, you can plug in and charge under cover and there's a shop/cafe if you are there for a while
@@bill_heywood Thats great my local station closed down for two years and rebuilt it with a big shop and Greggs but no chargers but the pub opposite just got 3 Osprey chargers .
Found this info about the green bays.
“In line with PAS1899 specification for accessible charge points, the site now includes twelve wider access bays and four fully accessible bays. The four accessible bays have the required 1.2m distancing in front of, and between the chargepoints.”
Strange, the wider bays are next to the green ones, yet the chargers are in rows of 8, so all the bays look pretty much the same size. It is a spacious site.
@@GoGreenAutos - it’s all to do with making the infrastructure fully accessible for disabled users. The wider bays still don’t conform to BSI PAS 1899:2022 accessibility standard! The green bays are more compliant; but frustratingly not marked up properly as priority for disabled users; the fact that they are green is even more confusing as they should be blue to tie in the the Blue Badge. It’s a such a shame that InstaVolt continually get the details wrong when it comes to making their infrastructure fully accessible for all to use; very poor once again :(
Worth noting they are building the other side of the M40 junction its called Frontier Park. Its having 40 EV charging bays and one hydrogen bay.
Good to hear. That hydrogen bay wont be used much! Like all the others in the UK, it will eventually be removed.
Thank you for highlighting this venue. Stopped and used the Tesla charger there today for the first time and it was a breeze. It’s roughly halfway on our regular journey south. 😊😊😊
South to Fully Charged Show?
Excellent, very interesting video thanks for sharing 👍’s up
Cheers
That model Y driver probably doesn’t bother to take their shopping trolly back either. A sign of things to come.
Sadly, true.
Hopefully he's watching this video and will think twice.
@@GoGreenAutos I’m more of a “glass half empty” person. Lol.
Those Kempower units are the best around.
Certainly look good and long cables.
Totally agree
@@GoGreenAutos they are really smart how they share power between the dispensers in 25kW blocks
@@rtfazeberdee3519 So if all are in use you only get 25kW? I don't see that as a good thing! The earlier Tesla Superchargers also need to do some sharing but the newer V3 like in the video don't have that restriction.
@@MrAdopado A detailed explanation is done by Dr Euan McTurk ua-cam.com/video/mZuBaZEcrho/v-deo.html
I live in Banbury and I wish other towns had the same investment. Also lots of charges in car parks around town centre.
Excellent. So there is light at the end of the charging tunnel. This is a prime example of how every town and motorway services should be.
Exactly
Very interesting and extremely useful. Thanks. But also depressing. The cable being dropped and kicked aside was certainly shocking but, for me, unsurprising. A few years ago EV drivers were a respectful commmunity. But now those days seem long gone. Thanks again for all your videos - I really enjoy them!
Thanks.
I suppose as greater numbers drive EVs, a wider section of the population are now in them.
My son-in-law used that charger last week and had the same problem. He intended leaving the cable on the ground but my daughter had a go and managed to get it to stay in place after 5 attempts. She should have reported it to Tesla, but was in a hurry so didn't. Of course that doesn't excuse the Model Y driver for kicking it, but he wasn't quite as irresponsible as it may have seemed at first.
Those are very highly rated Kenpower units that Osprey is using. You should watch Bjorn Nyland coverage of them. They are expanding out of the Nordics to the UK and USA. If you are going to cover the field Kenpower is def a player you need to catch up on
Yes a lot of people have mentioned them. I very rarely use public DC chargers as do most of my charging at home. But when I do, its on the Tesla Superchargers as this is free for me. So a lot of the progress with the other networks is passing me by.
I quite often stop at Stroud Park (Instavolt) and it's a very good site where you're pretty much guaranteed a charger even at the busiest of times. My only complaint is that it's too close to my house when I'm doing long journeys!
How busy have you seen it?
Matt, I lived in Banbury for over 30 years, and I think the answer as to why there are so many charge points is down to the "Adapt or die" approach that Cherwell District Council have had to take. With the closure of the Upper Heyford USAF base, this took some £50m out of the local economy. So the arrival of the M40 extension was very welcome. The Chief Exec at the council had a very successful scheme promoting Banbury as a place for businesses to relocate to , from London. In my time there, the town more than doubled in population. It has a history of engineering and printing expertise, and has now added being a logistics hub. The elected officials have often needed being poked with a sharp stick, to move them along, but it seems someone is still fulfilling that role.
Some other councils need to watch how Banbury are doing this, not just the chargers, but the industry and businesses that have located themselves there, bringing employment.
(Shame Arrival may not survive)
Try coming up to County Durham and review the charger network around here ... especially around Ferryhill/Spennymoor areas
Why? Good or non existent?
Nice to see chademo is still being supported .
Yes. Many worry about the demise of Chademo but its still being installed.
Wish they had wider spaces at Instavolt Bambury, otherwise brilliant.
Wow... that's a lot of chargers in one location... Wish we had those here in "the states."
It will come
Thank you for the info. good to know 👍
Thanks
WOW!!! That’s insanely good!
The site or the video? ;-)
The only problem I've had with Stroud Park is the amount of times chargers just haven't started charging and I've had to try at multiple different units to be able to actually start a charge. The site is brand new on the extension, but it seems to just fail so much at actually starting off the charging session. I've been locked to the units several times unable to take charge or disconnect. It's pretty poor service, once started it's a nice and quick one. Thankfully the Costa has plenty of seating and toilets to use.
I'd experienced the same on other InstaVolt chargers....not that I use them very often.
I had similar issue of being locked on with my ID.3 recently at Stroud Park.
There should be a manual charger release button (or release pull cable) for many EV. Is there such feature in your EV? Check the car manual if you are not sure, because some pull cable is quite hidden.
Banbury is a handy location but why just keep stuffing one location with more and more? Presumably for some quirk, there's excess power available?
It would be more helpful to spread the chargers out elsewhere.
I would imagine with all the new big commercial sites nearby off that same motorway junction, they have a huge grid connection.
Instavolt site - Looks like the zebra crossing added recently as walk way to Costa was not originally clear.
Kempower rule. 25kw per module. Makes most of the available site power
Those Osprey chargers are a very handy design.
Instavolt and podpoint are smashing it .
Great timing, on my way to Fully Charged Live tomorrow and have put Banbury Stroud Park as one of my planned stops.
There you go. You'll certainly not have an issue finding a free charger.
Tomorrow? It's not until the end of May.
@@djtaylorutube fully charged south starts this Friday 28th April.
@@MyImperfectEcoJourney South... Phew :) yes I'm heading North. Sorry about that, I didn't want you wasting a journey and I double checked my dates cos I didn't want to have made a mistake either. :)
@@djtaylorutube it’s frustrating as I can’t make the weekend of North so having to drive from Newcastle today to Farnbrough.
Great video thank you for the information
Thanks
Another excellent video , thanks for that , I may just visit Bamberry now 😅
Thanks
It's a bit earlier than I would go for on my way to Heathrow airport from Worcester but if the chargers are that good and I can use the Tesla ones I might drop in for a top up.
In the Northern Town of 30,000 people where I live there are two chargers in two supermarkets which both have time restricted parking. In the small towns and villages in this area there are no public chargers at all. The nearest motorway service station is 15 miles away. How can the thousands of people in this area who cannot charge at home ever consider buying an EV even if they could afford one?
Yes, those that can't charge from home need to wait until the local public infrastructure is there. For those that can, rarely use it.
@@GoGreenAutos I don't think the public charging infrastructure will ever be there in most parts of the North of England.
@@johnpedelty3866 Same in Lincolnshire 😔. It’s ok for folks who live here and can charge from home but it won’t do anything to encourage visitors and one of the main “industries” is tourism. The local council needs to up its game considerably, they probably couldn’t afford to install charging hubs but they could expedite planning and lean on DNOs to facilitate their construction. As usual there seems to be very little joined up thinking.
I think “up north” will get infrastructure eventually but as usual most of it will lag “down south” private companies will come as EV usage/ownership spreads. (Bit like mobile phone networks).
A time restriction for parking could be an issue if you are having to queue up to charge.
Banbury has messed up the destination charging in the newish carpark under Lidl though. Very slow and odd layout but always spaces available
Also 8 Osprey chargers near Costa in Brackley. CCS 150kw & 50kW ChadeMo Paisley Pear hub NN13 7FH Just off the by pass A43 😁😁😁😁👍👍
Reading through some comments Im glad Im not the only one saying if using an ev for long trips ie basically having to put full charge its cheaper to use ice cars, people for get that if you need to stop for 1 to 2 hours to charge up its costing in food but when you fill the car with dino juice its just fuel and maybe a wee stop. I know of 3 people that love their ev but when they need to do 200 to 400 mile trip they use the ice car purely for the ease of one fill up and no hanging about.
EVs don't take 1-2 hours to charge. They will do a DC charge in 30-45 depending on the battery size. Even my Tesla with a 85kWh pack and the slowest charge rate (as its 9 years old) takes between 45 mins and 1 hour, but most of the time a charge is around 30-40 mins. Newer EVs charge twice as quick as this. The new 800V cars are doing a full charge in 18 mins.
Yes, older EVs with smaller packs are slightly less convenient on a longer trip. But most drivers need a loo stop anyway and you do the charge then. After driving EVs for 7 years, I've not found it an issue at all and most of the time, the EV is charged and ready to go before we are and often we stop when the EV doesn't need to.
Its really not the big issue that people think. And you have to remember, for most people, the car is driving locally, commuting to work, dropping kids of etc etc.
Sheffield is TERRIBLE for EV changing. Even the council owned; chargers are mostly out of order. They're so expensive that no one wanted to use them. Because of the infrequent use, the council have left them to rot. Lidl are doing a bang up job by putting Pod Point charges in their sites but, there isn't enough for the demand due to the lower price than anywhere else. I'm constantly 'waiting' at Lidl sites.
That's what many don't appreciate, EV charging infrastructure requires maintenance. That's why these small council schemes nearly all fail.
That's awesome to see. The price is crazy at the moment. Roughly the same price as an ICE car to run using public charging. Hopefully the price will come down soon. I wish nissan would just scrap the chademo connector and use CCS as an industry standard. The chargers would be cheaper to build. I've tried charging my Hyundai Ioniq Electric 28kwh at a Tesla supercharger. Unfortunately the connector doesn't fit because the LED light above the socket is in the way.
Interesting. It was a 38kWh Ioniq charging on the Tesla Supercharger and I'm sure there's no difference in the charge ports on these.
@@GoGreenAutos you can force the charger into the socket but I spoke to a few owners and they said they had trouble with it. Try yours out. Make a video on it.
@@karimbenallal4454 I'll have too now. 🙂
The Ariya uses CCS2 so only the Leaf will still use Chademo. In Japan all EV's still use Chademo though
Meanwhile 2x (usually broken or occupied) Gridserve chargers on the M1 Toddington. 😮
That's the way to do it!
Shame there are no AC chargers though.
At least one local authority are supporting EV charging, unlike Harlow in Essex which is poor.
Which manufacturer are those units at 11:32? Not seen those before. Mostly seen the BYD or ChargePoint CPE250's
Lots of people travel to the Lincolnshire coast at holiday time but the charging network around the Lincolnshire coast is absolutely pathetic. Often no more than one fast charger in a town and they're not always working. Is there any plan to improve the coastal areas?
There's been a huge amount of grant money available to councils for this, but many councils are doing nothing. EV charger companies will even install the infrastructure for free too, but it needs councils to release land. An example of this in Oxfordshire. The council has been releasing up space in car parks for the Fastned charging hub in Redbrige Park & Ride and "Park & Charge Oxfordshire" project where chargers have been installed across 14 towns. Videos on both these are on this channel.
These facilities look great. I'd be interested to know if there are facilities for EVs who are towing. Ideally if you could drive up to a charger with your trailer, but somewhere to unhitch your trailer close by would be OK.
No drive through bays or anywhere you can drive length ways next to the charger. So towing EVs still not catered for. However, for now, with so many there, you could park length ways and block a few chargers without upsetting anyone. There is space her to leave a trailer too. There's the two waiting bays, plus you'll noticed the lorries parked up on the entrance road.
The reason why they don't build canopies over the recharge bays to protect you from rain.... is it costs too much...they do the bare minimum.
Probably true. But then I wouldn't say they've done the bare minimum at the InstaVolt site here. There were 8 DC rapids at this site. They could have expanded to 16 and that would have been enough for a couple of years at least. But then they've put in a further 24.
Thanks for that information.
When charging in a McDonalds/pizza hut/Tesco/whatever carpark do you need to be a customer of the business or are the chargers available to everyone?
Available to anyone
FYI the CHAdeMO 1.0 spec supported up to 500v 125A, 2.0 maintained the same physical and comms bit6 increased to 1kv 400A.
GridServe high-power hubs feature 400v and 200A CHAdeMO, which gets 80kw which is just above the maximum 76kw (190A) that the larger Nissan LEAF e+ can draw.
But most charger operators, including those Ospreys units and InstaVolts, choose to only fit 125A (50kw) cables to their CHAdeMO plugs, presumably because they figure that the majority of CHAdeMO vehicles peak at about 47kw and just want to save a few pennies on supporting a standard that has been muscled out of the market and has a market of around 40,000 vehicles.
Thanks. Great info.
Planning on stopping here for charging next month 😊
Plenty of space. I've never seen it more than a third full.
The fact that guy kicked the CCS connector is disgusting! honestly some people just suck at life
I believe it is possible to get a 50% discount on the Osprey chargers if you use the Bonnet (and possibly other?) apps? I'd give the pizzas a miss, but the chargers are good to see.... It's a guess, but Banbury probably has Council members who are "switched on" to the fact that EV's will play a large part in personal transport in the future. Some other Local Authorities seem almost oblivious to the fact that EV's are even a "thing".
Is it 50%? I did have a quick search through some of these schemes and it looked like the discounts had pretty much disappeared. It looks like Bonnet gives a 15% discount on charging for £8 per month. But then I've not needed to use such scheme myself.
This Alpitronics Hypercharger are 150kW max. On that generation and with that size they can host a max of two 75kW power units. But to know if it is the 75kW or the 150kW unit you have to find the model number or charge your car 😜
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Doesn't the Gridserve site at Braintree have 36 chargers, with half of them being the 350kw Ultra Rapid type?
Yes, they have 30 DC rapid chargers with 12 of them being 350kW and 6 of them being Tesla only. The other 6 are AC chargers. So yes in terms of total number, they do pip Banbury. But Banbury has more rapids, open to more EVs, (i.e. not just Tesla). But a lack of AC charging at Banbury, which is an issue for many Zoe, Smart, Kangoo drivers.
exeter services has expanded and has no lots of tesla superchargers (around 20) and around 30 grid serve chargers
Yes I've heard about this site, but rarely get down that way.
Thanks. Good for Banbury, but its still only a drop in the ocean given the lack of chargers and poor reliability across the UK. Even motorway services have insufficient chargers to meet demand. Is there a national charging infrastructure plan ? No. Not after 14 years of Tory misrule.
Yes the Motorway services are lacking now, but many upgrade projects are underway.
75p kwh is a bit of a joke but ok in an emergency , combined with home off peak of about 12p it all evens out I suppose .
A bit like a Tesla on a PodPoint 22kW charger when it can only charge at 11kW and there are empty 7kW chargers beside it.
Well that's a bit swings and roundabouts. I would favour charging on 3-phase, rather than single phase. Some Model S can charge at 22kW though.
Charging 75 to 79p kWh for non-Tesla charging is just high robbery. At least the Tesla charging network is cheaper between 55 to 66p kWh like you said. Still a bit expensive.
Yes, but the prices I put on the screen for the Tesla Superchargers were for non-Tesla charging. I think Teslas pay 41-51p depending on the time of day.
@@GoGreenAutos so if you drive Tesla and charge at Tesla supercharger, your charging cost maxed out at 51p kwh.
While driving a non-Tesla EV usually max out at 66p to 79p kWh, depending if you at charge at 3rd party charger or supercharger that has opened up to non-Tesla. Still a big difference in cost.
Is your camera shooting at 25fps? I’m seeing choppy video when you pan.
Just using my Moto phone. I'll check the settings.
There Kempower chargers, osprey is the operator. Kempower is the best brand for ev chargers. No discussion. Balanced charging, qr code, charge eye .... see bjorn videos and Kris Rifa
Chadamo does 70kW
I really hope if what Dale Vince has said about electric price reductions this year comes true as current public charging prices have ruled out me switching to electric at the moment as I would need the savings from charging to enable me to switch and have no home charging option.
EVs have never been about lower running costs. They still are still, but it's about zero emissions. The message has been lost in recent years and focused more on the fact they were ridiculously cheap to run. This was a nice benefit, but just that, an added benefit.
@@GoGreenAutos the fact is I and others want to go zero emissions but economics need to stack up. I will only ever buy used, under £10k as well so hope to get a BMW i3 Rex as a first step in the future.
If you can charge at home (I know it's a big if for some people) you actually use expensive rapid chargers very infrequently. This means that they make little impact on the overall cost of running an EV. Despite electricity increases this means that it's still very much cheaper to "fuel" an EV ... unless you can't charge at home and depend entirely on high speed public chargers.
@@MrAdopado when I agree that charging rates are a lot lower for homeowners (not so good for daytime rates though) it's a lot more difficult when it comes to rented properties, landlords just don't want the extra expense, even with the incentives available. I'm in a rented flat and my landlord are just not interested, but our 12 flats are selling soon so hopefully the new landlords are better 😁
My car handbook says that using a less powerful charger improves the long term condition of an EV traction battery. The trend today seems to be higher and higher charging rates. How does this equate? 😮
There is a difference between AC chargers and DC chargers in terms of what it does to the battery but I’ve had a Model 3 LR for 3 1/2 years and 62k miles and my battery is working great.
Maybe after 10 or 20 years it might make a difference but I’d take a faster charge if possible over a slower one when on a journey.
Not in the real world. The charge rate is dictated by the car anyway, as the charger is actually in the car, not what you plug in to. The message that lots of DC rapid charging does get repeated a lot. But in the real world, EVs that have had lots of rapid charges have batteries no worse that others. I've seen taxis that have had multiple rapid charges every day and their packs are the same as others. At the end of the day, the BMS manages the pack for you and it does a great job in most cases (not Nissan). So you charge how you want and let the car sort itself out.
"Not Nissan" I have my second Nissan LEAF so what's the difference, please? It's quite clear in handbook.
@@lordpitnolen2196 The reason that batteries lose capacity with rapid charging is because rapid charging generates more heat - have you ever touched an as battery in a charger, it’s warm - and those things can be usb powered. Nissan Leafs don’t have active thermal management, so as the batteries warm up, nothing is taking that heat away - Tesla have their octopump, others use liquid pumped into a radiator (like ice cars do) and yet others have heat sinks and fans. Leafs have none of this, so the heat just builds up in the battery.
Heat hurts batteries by allowing electroplating to happen - the anodes get plated with chemicals from the liquid/gel. As the anode gets plated, it can’t act as an anode anymore, so that battery loses square meters of voltage generation. The hotter your battery is, the faster this happens. So hopefully you understand why Nissan don’t want you charging at high speeds - but other manufacturers are ok with it. Don’t let this worry you however, I’m also on my second leaf knowing this, it’s not that big a deal as the car knows the temperature of the battery and manages the charging rate.
@@PippetWhippet Thank you for that. I'll keep to using my home charger or "granny" charger while visiting relatives.
Bully for Banbury. The other side of the coin is just one charger at Watford gap northbound services on the M1😱🤬
Yes, some of the motorway services are currently in reverse when it comes to EV infrastructure!
An opportunity for a network to add a proper charging hub nearby. My one experience of motorway charging was at Hilton Park - what an absolute dump !!!
Local authorities really need to pull their fingers out - some hope ☹️.
Those osprey chargers are great but expensive compared to Tesla chargers.
How do you recharge if u are towing a boat or caravan?
You don’t. You use diesel 😄
That is what the green painted area is intended for. But you're right, we need drive through bays. These will come. At the moment there's hardly any EVs towing so no demand, but of course this will change.
Could the green bays be for disabled users
They're no wider though and no disabled symbols. Just the same size bays, but without lines and painted fully green???
@@GoGreenAutos ISTR from the press release they are for vans and other larger vehicles.
@@Joe-lb8qn Good to know, thanks. Assumed they must be for that. Its a shame they didn't put one or two chargers along the side for vehicles towing.
So to add 50KW will cost you £40! These greedy operators are going to kill EV's before they even get started. Even Tesla is 0.45p.
Unfortunately commercial electricity prices are sky high and not capped in the same way residential is. Many of these commercial customers are paying 90p pkWh +VAT for their energy. Plus infrastructure like this costs about £20-30,000 per unit to install and then needs maintaining too. They're not greedy. Far from it. Most are probably running at a loss and much of the infrastructure is only being installed because of grants.
@@GoGreenAutos I fully get that however it does not help the transition to EV's when diesels are cheaper.
@@CrazedCrittic Yes cheaper for some - those that can't charge from home...currently. But if you can charge from home, even with the increased electricity prices, EVs are still massively cheaper to run. But who said EVs should be cheaper to run? Its all about no poisonous gasses out the back and that message has been lost over the last few years. Being cheaper to run has just been an added benefit.
No 22 kW AC for us older Zoe owners?
Sadly not. Its not just the Zoe is AC charging only. The Renault Kangoo ZE22 & ZE33, the Smart Fortwo and Forfour, the Mercedes B-class. Charging sites really do need to put some 22kW AC charging in. Its much cheaper hardware and every EV can use it, even if only at 7kW on most.
Time to buy a proper car 😂
Every EV owner now realising they’ve paid twice as much money for their car, and are paying twice as much to fuel them compared to equivalent ICE vehicle - and still trying to justify it, its just laughable 😂.
Kudos to Matt though for showing us the real cost of running them especially if using public charging, and not hiding it
Yes, but only when on a longer trip, more than the range. Most will charge at home overnight on cheap rate electricity. I pay 7.5p pkWh at home.
@@GoGreenAutos You might pay 7.5p for 4 hrs a night- but you are paying more than anyone else for the other 20hrs a day
I always laugh at how people skew the figures to suit their narrative 😂
@@AndyC2_ Along with most EV owners I only use these type of expensive chargers on a handful of occasions a year on long trips! Almost all of my charging is 7.5p per kWh at home so my annual fuel costs are massively less than petrol or diesel despite the recent electricity increases.
@@MrAdopado You pay 7.5p for 4hrs a night - the other 20hrs of electric is way more expensive than anyone else pays. I love how people skew the figures to suit their narrative 😂
@@AndyC2_ Not skewing the narrative at all. Yes I pay ~2p more during the day. Looking at our last bill, we used 523kWh in the month. 339kWh was during the 4 hour cheap rate and 184kWh at peak rate. So it is saving a fortune by using a cheap rate over night tariff, in our case Octopus Go. We put the dishwasher and washing machine at the cheap rate too and it saves us a lot of money too.
I’d imagine the wide green charging bays are for disability I.e. wheel chair EV drivers with space to get out of vehicles easily.
But they are no wider than the others. For all rows, there are 8 chargers on each, equally spaced.
I hate stopping to fill my car up with petrol, something that takes my e around 4 minutes. all that kerfuffle to get some juice in a battery, no thanks 🙃
The reality is that if you can charge at home, you do this overnight on cheap rate electricity while not using the car, so it is ZERO effort. Using these public chargers is quite a rare occurrence for many EV drivers. My partner hasn't used one in nearly 3 years, yet she drives 15,000 miles per year.
If you charge at home EVs, are still considerably cheaper and much easier than driving fossil fuel vehicles and obviously better for our health. If you can't charge from home, then they currently are now more expensive to run, due to the high electricity prices, but we know who to blame for that!
So 20 p per mile almost to charge at 4 miles per kwhr and 79p per kwhr and waiting hours to charge cumulatively on a long run, whilst a big diesel car is paying 13.8 p per mile at 51 mpg and £1.57 per litre and doesn't have to stop at all with your spouse as a driver as well apart from 5 minute pee stops, with a range of three times more on a motorway of around 650 miles. Also a £10k premium to own a logistically much worse car ? You can see why according to autotrader that interest in EV's has dropped by 2/3 rds. That charging area is no where near typical of the country, with most of the country suffering charger shortages compared with EV numbers and mostly slower 50kw chargers as well. I have owned an EV for over 7 years and charging is getting worse per EV, not better. Also my battery has lost nearly 1/3 rd of it's capacity in that Time and 32k miles. I never drive long distance in it now because of my nightmare long distance experiences, I always get the diesel out fir that and leave the EV for shorter journeys, within it's tethered home charger range on cheap overnight octopus go electricity. My experience after long term ownership is that there is no advantage at all owning an EV.
You have the balls to say what all EV owners are now realising but they live in cloud cuckoo land and still pretend EVs are cheaper 😂
I've never heard of a battery losing one third of its capacity over 32K miles. Most will lose 1% a year or less, except a Nissan Leaf at around 3%. What EV do you have?
The advantage has been you're not been producing poisonous gases out the back of your car!
If you can charge from home, they're still hugely cheaper even with the high costs of electricity since the war. Most EV drivers who can charge at home, will rarely use public DC rapid chargers. My partner does 15,000 miles a year and doesn't ever use them.
My colleague hired a couple of EV's to test the water before buying his new car. After 2 weeks of EV ownership he bought a petrol Touareg. I'm really interested in EV's as a technology but looking for and at charge points while out its not there yet. Quite a way to go in my opinion (as an electronics engineer).
@@VintageLynx As an EV owner - I couldn’t agree more !
79p Kw
In my EV on a motorway that works out at 30p a mile
In my wife’s petrol Hyundai it’s about 15p a mile for the same journey
Insane compared to how it was a couple of years ago Lol
Yes, the war has skewed the pricing. But most will charge at home overnight on cheap rate electricity. I pay 7.5p pkWh to charge ours. Then would only use public rapid chargers like this when on a trip beyond the range. So not all your driving it at these high prices. Its a bit like filling your petrol car at a motorway services and paying their high prices. You wouldn't drive there every time to fill up!
A huge toxic fire waiting to happen if one vehicle go thermal runaway while charge all will go.If going to be realistic in this brave green future need fire proof barriers between each charge station so one fault cannot destroy a dozen other vehicles.
As oppose to the countless explosions in petrol stations??? A far higher risk there.
More EV battery bombs 😂.
Statistics please...?
Electric cars are horrible for the environment. Do you know how horrible lithium mining is for the environment?
Written from a device with a lithium battery. 😏
Well fossil fuels have done a great job in destroying our environment. Once all vehicles are electric at least we won't be poisoning our kids with poor air quality in towns and cities.
No, tell me all about it. Then tell me about the causes and options for managing climate change. (Hint: Fossil fuels have a part to play here!)
Electric cars aren't green. You need to walk or use a bike to be truly green. But they ARE considerably greener than petrol or diesel vehicles. Just look into the impact the fossil fuel industry has on the environment and the amount of energy they consume to make the fuel.
@@GoGreenAutos No, no they are not, lithium mining is much worse than fossil fuels.