Why Scamps are BETTER than Teardrops: Watch Before You Buy!
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2018
- Scamp vs Teardrop...we finally got to make this video! This is part 1 of a 2 part series giving you our perspective on the pros and cons of scamp trailers versus teardrop trailers. In this video we touch on scamp weight and height as well as the pros of fiberglass scamps vs plywood teardrops. We also touch on heating a scamp, using running water, the benefits of windows, towing issues, and teardrop and scamp storage.
As usual we mix it up with a bit of cinematic style blog footage of Alaska. It can't all be scamp versus teardrop, okay mostly it will be. But, we have to play a little too. Come with us as we experience Winner Creek Handtram in Girdwood Alaska. And as usual a few drone shots of the scamp trailer in the beautiful AK.
If you want to see the other side of the coin check out our video Why Teardrops are BETTER than Scamps: Watch Before You Buy! You can find that here: • Why Teardrops are BETT...
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Oh you guys are in trouble now....You'll never want to go back. I loved the thought of a tear drop even looked at quite a few and almost ordered a custom one. In the newer scamps the sound is very different. I don't really know whats different, but its way quieter inside then older models we noticed. Join the club, be Scampers. LOL
That is good to hear about the sound in the newer scamps. The scamp we rented was definitely a vintage model. Its funny but I kind of liked the noise, it felt like camping in a tent. But at the same time in the long run I could see why you would want more insulated sound. Joining the Scamp club does sound really appealing. But, I am pretty hard headed and will have quite the tough time leaving #teardroplife.
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Scamps are cute but believe the value is in a Casita, made in Rice Texas family business.
Glad you got to experience the cool little Scamp.
We loved our little Scamp 13’, and took lots of trips with it from 2011 - 2014.
Now, we have on order the slightly larger Casita 17’ all fiberglass travel trailer.
It is made right here in Texas, where we live.
The all fiberglass travel trailers are the best.
They are very well engineered, aerodynamic, easy to tow, light weight, and have pretty much everything you need.
Happy Camping
This was a very well done & informative video. Thanks for uploading.
ive always loved the the scamp and the casita campers. very cool..👍👍
Glad you liked it. We had a Burrow camper here on Craigslist a couple of weeks ago. They seem to be a little rarer version of the scamp and casita.
We are excited to finally show off the inside of the scamp trailer. This is our first video comparing our teardrop trailer with our rented scamp trailer. We are definitely looking forward to making part 2!
We like to ride our ATV/side by side when we go out. Has anyone tried double towing one of these smaller campers with an ATV/OHV trailer?
I just found your channel and I absolutely adore your family. Thank you for sharing your adventures 💖
Aww, thanks Joanna. That means a lot to us!
You folks are naturals on camera and your editing skills are superb! Nicely done! And if you want to stick with a tear drop that has all the features of the Skamp and then some, you might want to consider a T@B. Well, built, guiet, light weight and super easy to tow.
Thank you for the kind comments. The T@B does sound just right for us. They aren't just functional, they look good too! We are pretty frugal at the moment, which has led us to try to stick to our current setup. Even though the T@B is extremely light, it would put us over our towing weight limit, requiring us to purchase a different vehicle. We are hoping to bump into one this summer to see if the owners let us take a walkthrough. But, like we mentioned in the video, God willing, if we are able to have another child, we will probably be forced into a larger model.
My little 1973 13 foot Boler is identical. They are great! Pulled mine from Michigan to Yellowstone and back again with a diesel VW Jetta. They are so light!
Such amazing little trailers that feel so big! That trip you did sounds amazing.
I just bought a T@B and I adore it. I got the clamshell model so it still has the outdoor galley, look and feel of a more traditional teardrop. I’m in Texas so Casita fiberglass trailers are more common than Scamps and I looked at a couple of them, but they just didn’t feel as warm and homey to me. They do have more headspace and room for a growing family, though. However, I’ve seen some teardrops that have the same type of couch to bunk bed arrangement inside so you can still fit Mom, Dad and two kids. The main bed even folds up futon style and there’s a table that stows away underneath that can be put up between the two couches for playing cards or eating inside on rainy days. They’re also easier to customize for off-road use and still fit inside a garage which might be an important consideration for you.
You are talking our language. Do you happen to remember what the name of the teardrop models you are referring to? The offroad, garage, family size, and table definitely has our attention.
Playing with Sticks The Camp Inn 560 Raindrop has a Queen sized bed and two bunk beds that convert to a couch. They’re made in Wisconsin and have a very cool retro aluminum exterior. I’m not completely sure that the large bed folds up as a standard feature, but they offer so many options including a drop down writing desk that they can probably do it for you. The Vistabule, made in Minnesota, has a bed that folds up like a futon and a table stowed underneath. They’re really pretty with those big windows but I think they only offer the one model. Bend Teardrop in Oregon offers a family model with fixed shelves that can also be used as bunk beds and they seem very rugged. They are fully insulated and the undercarriage is completely lined with aluminum so they’re watertight. They have a couple of videos featuring the family model on their website, including one camping in the snow with their little boy. The Raindrop is pretty long but all of these campers would fit in my garage, unlike my T@B which is just a few inches too tall, but I guess YMMV. I don’t think any of the fiberglass models fit in a standard residential garage. I hope this helps! There are also custom builders like Juno in Lubbock, TX doing beautiful work as well as plans and kits available online if you’re handy.
Wow you know your teardrops. Thank you so much for this information. This summer we came across a raindrop parked in the rainforest in Girdwood Alaska. The aluminum was beautiful against the forest colors.
I only been in pop up trailers so this will be fun once I get into this 🎉❤
Great video. Thank you. The Scamp is very similar to my burro. Except where your bunks are I have done some major Remodeling and wrapped around the countertop with one seat next to the door. With lots of storage and cabinets underneath for long periods of travel. I still spend 99% of my time outside and only sleep in the Scamp in the Summers I even cook outside so I don't heat it up on the inside cooking there.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Last year we almost purchased a Burro trailer. A sweet lady with a lot more years of wisdom and maturity than us showed up at the exact same time. Sadly we knew she was the one leaving with the trailer even if she insisted it should be us. The burros to us have a little better form than the Scamps. We love the rounded tail lights and the lack of metal railing from counter top to cabinet. You have our dream trailer! There is something magical about these little fiberglass trailers. Thanks for sharing about your experience with your trailer.
@@PlayingwithSticks another great issue with the burro is that they are double-walled fiberglass. There is no rat fur lining the walls and no condensation. I love mine I've camped in it in 18 degree weather is the coldest I have been. I used a little mr. Buddy Heater that warmed it up too fast. I found it just the pilot burning all night was sufficient to keep me warm under a couple of blankets. Of course with the mr. Buddy Heater I have a good carbon monoxide detector located at head level, and I still crack open a window. I leave my bed made up full-time. Much easier that way. I love it I have been offered up to $8,000 for it on camping site. Not ready to sell yet if I do sell I'll contact you first. But it is a hell of a long way from Alaska to Tennessee if you wanted it. Be safe out there I love your videos.
The double-walled fiberglass was what originally intrigued us as well. Up here in Alaska we can use all the insulation we can get. And we couldn't agree more about the benefits of not having rat fur running up your walls and on your ceiling. Purchasing a Burro may be just the excuse we need to travel across the country as a family! Thanks for the positive comments about our videos. We are really enjoying the process. Safe travels to you as well!
Sub added!!👍. We just bought our 1st "Camper" a 1978 Trillium 4500.
Can't wait to see your thoughts and ideas with your Scamp!
Cheers 🍻♥️🇨🇦
What a great purchase Ryan! Those Trilliums are hard to come by, well at least in the States. We have become huge fans of fiberglass trailers in the last few years. You will see more Scamp videos coming out from us, but we are also going to start dabbling in vintage trailers. The layouts of the vintage trailers and fiberglass trailers are pretty similar, so I think everything we learn should be able to cross over into the fiberglass trailer life pretty well.
I would love to see more teardrop adventures. There is a channel called “teardrop trekkers” about a man and woman’s travels. But, they have since discontinued any further episodes. I believe y’all would have the teardrop market covered.
I am glad to say there are many more teardrop episodes to come. We stocked up on videos during our adventures across Alaska this summer. We are always looking for teardrop videos, its a bit of an addiction. I am looking forward to watching teardrop trekkers. Thanks for the vote of confidence. We are excited to continue putting out content.
Chad Parker Music Thanks for the tip! I just bought a secondhand(2014) Teardrop trailer and can’t wait to venture out with it....I will be checking out the “Teardrop Trekkers”! Cheers.....👍🏼😃🍻
The scamp is really cool. The pull bridge looks like a lot of fun. We have never been on one.
I am really impressed with the Scamp, especially at it's lower weight and price point. I hope you have the chance to get on a handtram someday, unless you are afraid of heights 😁
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Great music and videography.
Glad you enjoyed it! We are still playing with our style. We are finding it hard to lock down a look and feel for our videos. It has been really fun experimenting.
Teardrops are great for two people and a small vehicle AND you truly want to be minimal when camping. Scamps are awesome, but I still feel like they get away from the minimalist camping idea. Glad you found what works for you!
We definitely agree with you. We have posted two videos now on why the Scamp is better than the teardrop. But, 2 weeks from now, after we post our newest video this afternoon, our next video will be about why the teardrop is better than the Scamp and there are quite a lot of reasons why.
Just saw a scamp in a parking lot and searched UA-cam. Will say they're the coolest looking small trailer. Also you're vids are great, you're in nature, have a beautiful family. God the Father has blessed you 😊
You sound like us. I remember seeing my first one in a parking lot as well. I had to know more.
Just found your channel and so glad I did! Where can I find a good deal on a scamp or small trailer? I’m in the lower 48 and don’t need all of the bells and whistles but would love a video on what to look for either when purchasing online or at a rv dealership (which we have a lot of where I’m from)! Thanks!!
I find the best deals are on Facebook marketplace. They could be found before Covid easily for $7K-$12K. Today I find they typically sell from $9k to about $20K. I suggest looking near the Scamp dealership, the south, and mountainous regions. This seems to be where i find them the most.
Wow I want to go to Alaska now
Glad we were able to inspire you. We love it here, even if it is -3 outside right now!
okay your little boy is cute as a button!!! hahahha.. I was cracking up when May was all, "hint hint! baby baby!" ahhahah... yes! MORE babies please! We have only 1 and wish we had more ... started the family too late and aging just caught up with us. You youngsters must make more when you still can! Thanks for the video! We are thinking of getting a scamp ... (1) Do you guys have the roof fan and does that help with condensation/moisture especially when you cook inside the scamp? (2) Is the furnace super loud? (thanks for sharing your opinion that you like it, we were originally thinking of opting it out) (3) How many hours (do you estimate) that the refridgerator gets "cold"? (I've heard it takes like forever ... like 24 hrs to get cold, and that would not work for us, we have the Yeti Cooler and love it, our cooler is way too large to fit in the scamp so we might get a smaller one, but I am very curious about that refridgerator, I understand you can not run it while traveling).
I like the 19ft. 5th wheel scamp trailer.
Very nice and spacious. We have seen quite a few up here in Alaska.
Hi Drew. I'm new to your channel and to exploring the teardrop campers. They always catch my eye when I see someone hauling them down the road. We used to be tent campers and being a bit older now with bodies a bit less forgiving of sleeping on the ground, we are looking for solutions to our desire to get back out in nature. The teardrop seems like the perfect way to get more comfort but still keep things simple. My question today is regarding the pricing of teardrops. You mentioned in this video that the base price on several models is in the $5000 range. I haven't found anything less than the $20,000 range. Could you provide some links or brands that I could explore? Thanks so much and I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Of course. I need to do a bit more research this year to see if any new budget teardrop companies popped up. Most of your affordable small trailers will not be "teardrops" by definition, but more "squaredrops." The squaredrops may not look as nice and don't carry that vintage charm, but they utilize the space better and are very affordable. I would start with Runaway Campers and Hiker Trailers when it comes to squaredrops. What is neat about Runaway is last year they started making composite fiberglass models. The most affordable teardrop shaped campers I have seen lately are from Tiny Camper Company. Their 4X8 like our starts at $4,000. Another affordable route is the converted cargo trailers. Weeroll makes a classic version that is $4,000. Probably our favorite ma and pa teardrop shop is Rustic Trails. They have amazing designs and are very affordable. What I also like about them is that they have versions with more headroom as well. Hope this gives you a good place to start. You are going to love your small camper no matter which one you get. Like we say they really are just a bed on wheels. We realize there are folks who love the bells and whistles. But, we tend to like them simple. However, we hope to try more higher end boutique trailers at some point with this channel so we can offer suggestions to all types of future owners.
@@PlayingwithSticks great info - I'll take look at these options. Thanks so much!
The reason for condensation in the teardrop is you didn't have enough ventilation. When it's cold you still have to open the vents..
Thanks Ken John. That definitely makes sense. We typically open the vents very little due to the midnight sun shine ng into our eyes. But you're right, we need to find a way to get those vents open to keep that condensation down.
Nice Teardrop by the way. I can't see your picture well due to the size of it, but it looks like you found some sort of way to prop up coolers or stoves to the back of your teardrop. Are you using some sort of hitch carrier or is it a slide out table?
@@PlayingwithSticks The cooler and storage tote is setting on low cost armless folding bag camp chairs. Easy to pack and easy to setup.
@@kennethwers Thanks for replying to our question Ken. Somehow we overlooked your response. We will definitely be adopting your camp chair table hack!
The Casita has foambacked carpet on the walls which helps with noise and insulated everywhere plus the floor is fiber glass as well..
Love the fact that the floor is fiberglass. Would also like less of that outdoor road noise, so the carpeted walls sound like a plus. Our teardrop has carpeted walls, so maybe that is why we don't hear outside noises. Thanks for sharing.
@@PlayingwithSticks fiberglass floor? What if you're a grown man? Your foot will go through it!! Wtf?!
@@rggyuhtgggbji5017 A fiberglass floor does sound a bit weak. However, there is a wooden sub-floor that is distributed evenly over the fiberglass to prevent those feet from going through.
@@PlayingwithSticks given the general quality, I'm guessing that wood to be plywood or particle board. Am I right?
@@rggyuhtgggbji5017 I'm not 100% positive on this. But I think it may be marine grade plywood. I do know that it is plywood.
great video, thanks! ...we have a T@B teardrop trailer and never again will we get that style.. gets pretty old bumping our heads.
We never even thought about bumping heads. Are you referring to the slope on the ends of the teardrop? The T@Bs look so spacious, but we have never been in one. The scamp won't give you any issues bumping your head unless you are really tall.
@@PlayingwithSticks yes, i think it would feel much more spacious if the trailer were square like the scamp. a lot of people will stop by our campsite to check it out. the women love it, but the husbands take one look inside and say "no way!"
my husband is 5'8 and he has about 1 1/2 inch clearance standing in the center of the camper, then it slopes from there.
I've been hunting for one and they are hard to find man... trying to go fulltime
They are a bit hard to find, which is a good sign of how respected they are by all! Can't wait to hear when you go full time Dustin! Time to start living the dream. We hope to get there one day as well.
Your car is plenty big. There is one couple on U-Tube that used a Mini Cooper for a while and now has a Subaru..and they are getting along just fine in the Rocky Mountains.
Elsa Rhae and her Scamp-Mini Cooper combo is definitely what inspired us. I wasn't totally sold at first because their mini Cooper had a turbo on it, but you are so right our car definitely has the capacity for some adventures!
Yeah I saw them too. That's what drew me to these cuz I'm getting a mini countryman so if a regular mini can pull it I know I'm good
@@lmlCOBHClml Pulling them with a small car is definitely a good conversation starter. People seemed drawn to our campsites to ask about how it all worked
you mention a lot of things, one might think that's obvious, but for someone new to the hobby it's not. You also mentioned your concern about damaging the underside of your "normal" teardrop. But most trailers, like yours, have the frame exposed. You could add some insulation between the framing and then cover it with a sheet of steel and screw it to the frame. That way not only would you have extra and needed insulation under the floor, but you also have a flat underbelly that is sufficiently protected from touching a boulder, rock, or even ruts.
Great for a couple with one teenage kid also so compact and easy to go were no big rv s or trailers can go
You could unplug the refrigerator and still use it for dry food storage.
Great advice! That is exactly what we do now.
We just got a used 2017 Scamp ❤️ My biggest takeaway with the Scamp is how there are sooo many different layout configurations, and optional addons/ customizations. You could absolutely have one made to your exact preferences. We love ours so far!!!!
We didn't realize there were a large amount of layouts and configurations. We love to addons and modifications. We have also heard from our friends at "Our Scamp Life" that the newer models like yours tends to not have the issues we experience with the older 80s models. Glad to hear you are loving yours! Scamps are pretty special aren't they?
Playing with Sticks Scamps certainly seem special to us so far! 🤞We had a class C rv that we bought and then had to scrap a couple weeks after when we discovered extensive water damage and black mold. 😢😔 Taking it apart, we learned how poorly regular RVs are made, and I said never again! We are thrilled with the quality of the fiberglass in the Scamp so far, and feel like it’s a much better, albeit smaller option. Also love that our Subie can tow it! ❤️
@@elizabeatscancer Somebody pointed out that we are towing around an 80s Scamp and it is now 2019. Pretty impressive how well they hold up. And like you said being able to tow them with a smaller vehicle is amazing as well.
A scamp is heavier - actually considerably heavier. Of course you get more space for it. It really depends what you want to do. For me, getting out there is about outdoors, not indoors. I have a offroad teardrop and the 1300lbs is almost more than I want to tow. I don't have the condensation issue though: the difference between your teardrop and the scamp is the furnace. That prevents a lot of the condensation you have in any unheated RV. I put a propane furnace in my teardrop - yes, there are models that are small enough and can be mounted underneath and ducted in (look up propex heaters - kinda expensive, but well worth it).
Thanks Uwe Schroeder. We are definitely due for a video on the pros of the teardrop over the scamp. If you watch our other videos you would see that we agree with you about getting outdoors, weight, ease of use, etc. Thanks for the tip on the propex heaters. I have heard about them, but haven't looked into them. I think Cosmo Weems may have a propex heater, not sure if you follow him.
They now make small digital heaters you can use in a teardrop
It's so cute!!!
You live in a beautiful area. Looks like SOMEBODY brought a camera, fortunately.
Glad you enjoyed the scenery James. Many of the times we leave the camera at home and then wish we brought it out. You never know what you will stumble across up here.
The Scamps are cool, but I wish the newer models were a bit more updated with newer laminates, stainless hardware, modern 12v fridge, solar, led lights, Dometic European style flush mount sinks and burners with covers, etc.
We find it interesting too that the 80s model Scamp you see in our videos is basically unchanged today. Yes there are a few changes, but overall it is pretty much the same Scamp.
Playing with Sticks The fact that your 80s model seems to be in good shape is a testament to the benefits of simple design, and solid construction, but some modern updates could go a long way to cater to more younger buyers. I’m 30 and most trailers are really outdated.
@@woolengrappler You are right it is 2019! That is very impressive to think it has held up so well. With a little wax and paint it would be as good as new.
It must seem huge by comparison. Does it haul the same?
Good timing on your question, we are actually putting out a video about this next Wednesday. It does haul pretty similar on flat roads, but if there is any incline or wind there is a large difference. In the video we will be touching on tow weight, size, reversing, etc. Hopefully it will give you a little more insight into the differences.
I was thinking of selling our house and buying a Scamp to travel around the country with the wife and 3 kids!! Do you think bringing our German Sheppard would be too much or should we let a friend watch him?
Love your cavalier spirit! Honestly a 13 and 16 ft Scamp hits full capacity at about 2 adults and 2-3 kiddos. Have you looked into the 5th wheel Scamp? You could definitely fit your family and your loyal companion, but it would be a pretty tight fit.
Get the larger scamp 16” to bring the dog
The scamp has small diameter tires. Wonder how it does on some rough, rutty, and rocky forest roads.....
On basic rutty, rocky roads The scamp seemsto pull fine. It does seem to be really bumpy though for everything inside the trailer. We haven't taken it true off-road, but we have taken it on many sketchy roads and it did better than we thought it would.
I took mine on some rough roads with my 4wd 4 runner. I went wher no other rv could. It sustain no damage. Probably wouldn’t do it again tho I was stressing the whole time when moving it in and out. I thought maybe I went too far and it was brand new. However camping there was amazing it’s like we had the whole desert all to ourselves selves. I even had a nice hot shower out doors in a pop up tent.
At least you drove a Toyota for your Towing Vehicle.
It maybe a small vehicle but they are well built.
I would use a RAV4 myself.
The older 6 cylinder ones would be the best but, the newer 4 cylinders are pretty good as well....
Yep, May's side of the family owns only Toyotas. They have now made me a convert as well. We have an old 6 cyl RAV4 in the family and it is the vehicle that gets the most use all over Alaska.
"We love hearing how other people are using these small trailers!"
Check out Elsa Rhae's channel: They've been in a Scamp 13 for some time now. And they added a small "Cubic Mini" woodstove (!) for cold/freezing weather camping. More RVers are using these stoves -- fuel almost everywhere and it's dry heat, not moisture-producing propane (interior condensation can be harmful to a RV).
Between the two brands -- Scamp and almost identically-looking (and made) Casita -- I'd prefer the Scamp: Can't stand up in a Casita. ;-)
Happy Travels,
-- BR
Thanks Bill Redding! We love Elsa Rhae's channel! And the cubic mini you are talking about, looks like such a blessing for RV owners. It took us a whole season to realize that propane causes moisture buildup. we love the idea of how sustainable a wood stove is. it is also really cool to see Elsa and Baron cook meals on top of the cubic mini. thanks for the tip also fir leaning towards the Scamp over the Casita. we were so close to getting a burro trailer, which is very similar to the Scamp, but a sweet older lady wanted it more than us. Happy travels to you as well. Oh by the way, do you have a particular RV you like most or an RV that you are currently using?
@@PlayingwithSticks There's also 2 more "egg" type TTs to consider: The ParkLiner and Oliver. The latter is the priciest and heaviest, so besides costing more would need a bit more capable tow-vehicle. Still, some people consider the Oliver to be the best made of these "egg" TTs.
As for me, no, I don't have my RV yet, but will as soon as I pay off my current vehicle (and Daily Driver -- in about 15 months). So now the research is trying to choose between a motorized or towable RV. I'm presently leaning towards one of the shorter Class Bs (which will ALSO be used as a Daily Driver), but my choices are SLIM presently...meaning, if I'm going to get a B I want one that is BOTH 4-Season and 4x4/AWD. The only "choice" now is the Winnebago Revel 4x4 44E (19' long). Other Bs look interesting, but sadly are either 4-Season OR 4x4/AWD -- but not BOTH.
For examples: The Winnebago Era can be had with 4x4/AWD but they're not 4-Season, and IIRC, the Revel has a bit higher ground clearance (good) than the Eras do (not good). Coachmen's Crossfit is 4-Season, but not 4x4/AWD. Roadtrek and Pleasure-Way are still stuck int he past with no 4x4 or 4-Season models.
So NOW (and for me) there's only ONE game in town: The Revel. Even if I'm not completely satisfied with it, I could live with one. I guess. ;-)
Hopefully, in 1-2 years time, there will be competition to the Revel and I can look at those, too.
If I don't "go B" then a small TT is the other option, but would prefer something a bit ruggedly made to take off-road to said harder-to-get-to boon-docking spots. TTs on my Short List that are small enough to be towed (without stressing/maxing-out the tow vehicle) with most V6 engine SUVs (5,000lbs towing capacity). I prefer a V6 (SUV or pickup truck) or turbo 4 cyl. (like the mid-sized Ford Ranger now out) than the larger V8s as I want a good compromise between power and MPG.
As for a Class B engine, IMO the Ford 3.7L V6 EcoBoost has got to be the best engine for these heavy Class Bs (instead of the V6 Pentastar) when it comes to power (especially going up hills to visit friends in CO!) yet still get decent MPG. Whatever, no V8s for me, thank you (and I'd prefer gas over diesel, and American chassis vs. Sprinter for several reasons).
A truck-camper would also be an option, but I don't have the huge heavy-duty gas-guzzling dually 4x4 truck needed to carry the big/heavy (!) campers, so I'd have to get TWO loans on that kind of RV, one for maybe $60K and one for $40K! Not likely! Interestingly though, both the truck and camper (new prices) would total-out price-wise about the SAME as most Class B's (new) I'd be looking at...even less than some Bs like the Revel. Used ones are almost as pricey as used ones, and if so, I'd just go new and take the depreciation hit, as resale will still get my most of my money back since quality RVs hold their values well -- as do Scamps and Casitas!
Also VERY important (to me!) is choosing a brand that (1) has a better reputation than the "crap-maker" brands of RVs (which is MOST of them out there) for making a quality product (materials used and fit & finish) and (2) above-average customer care/support AFTER the sale. So far, these are on my TT Short List (not in any order of preference):
-- Airstream Basecamp (if they get start building them better than they have lately).
-- T@B 320 S "Boondock" model (but can't fully stand up in it).
-- T@B 400 "Boondock" (CAN stand up in it, but less nimble off-road).
-- Lance 1474 or Lance 1575.
-- Scamp 13 or 16.
Again though, for me it's choosing between a motorized (complete unit, only "one moving part" RV -- an RV with an engine) and a towable ("two moving parts" RV -- tow vehicle and TT). Of course, there are Pros & Cons for each setup -- motorized vs. towable -- but I'm still not able to choose FOR SURE one over they other as neither clearly stands out. At least I can have a Short List of those 2 RV classes ready (as I continue to research/modify the list) to go when the final decision is made. ;-)
Happy Travels,
-- BR
We have never heard of the ParkLiner or the Oliver. Thank you Bill! We get pretty excited when we get to research a new trailer. We are kind of nerdy that way. We agree with you that it is a compromise between durability, quality, gas mileage, tow-ability, etc. It is pretty hard to find the perfect RV.
@@PlayingwithSticks You're welcome...
Yes, no "perfect RVs" out there for anyone really....feel the same about "the perfect home," too!
Some sad news though: You may have to look at used ParkLiners, as they may have gone out of business or were bought-out? Don't know. Their website used to come up but now you get redirected when you go there -- Liberty Outdoors, but see no ParkLiner TTs there -- so something happened to them. IIRC, they always sold out of however many units they built each year, so it seemed they were doing quite well. Here's what they looked like: smalltrailerenthusiast.com/2012/02/13/a-look-at-the-parkliner/
As for family-owned Oliver, at least THEY are still with us!
olivertraveltrailers.com/
-- BR
ETA: Kept looking to see what happened to ParkLiner, and found this:
www.princesscraft.com/product/new-2018-liberty-outdoors-parkliner-std-dot-model-839729-29
...but again, Liberty Outdoors website isn't showing Parkliners. Confusing...so I'll leave further research re: them up to you (or interested others here).
Happy Travels,
-- BR
I haven’t been through an Oliver in person but they are certainly gorgeous! I’ve watched a couple of videos of them being built and they seem very well insulated and nicely thought out. When I was purchasing my T@B the dealer had a 2018 Parkliner on the lot and sort of groaned when I asked to look at it. To say it felt poorly made with inefficient use of space is an understatement, and that surprised me because I think Liberty/Little Guy trailers are generally really good. I didn’t spend a lot of time in it but a couple of things that stick out in my mind are the fact that the interior doors and mirror were flimsy plastic and when the bed is down and the dinette is up a significant amount of floor space is used for cushion storage. The worst thing though is that the storage doors that surround the upper interior of the unit open upwards but they don’t have hinges to hold them open. I don’t understand why they would install beautiful wood doors with marine hardware to keep them closed then make it so that you have to hold them open with one hand while searching for your stuff with the other or risk smashing your fingers when they free fall down on them. It sort of negates the usefulness of all that storage, IMO. In the Casita most of the upper cabinets open downwards and I believe in the Scamp most of them open sideways. There were other little details that just seemed cheap to me, like the quality of the upholstery and the blinds, which are probably not a deciding factor and can be customized, but given the price of the unit I think they can do better. This 16’ model with a wet bath had an MSRP of $38,400 with a $14,400 dealer discount so it was still pretty pricey. Maybe they’ll work out the kinks and it will be a good option someday, but it seems to me that there are already some really great fiberglass trailers on the market like Scamp, Casita, Oliver and Escape in Canada. I think it’s also easier to find used Scamp and Casita trailers for a good price and then invest in customizing it to fit the needs of your growing family. But, I’m still a teardrop girl....😉
Who's music is used for this video?😀
The music is all from epidemic sound.
I like the scamps
They're pretty awesome. The more we get to know them, the more it is hard to have a good argument against them.
I want a scamp or a casita...no idea what a teardrop is but I'm about to find out from your other video lol
We think you can't go wrong with either a Scamp or Casita. They do make larger standup teardrops with showers, sinks, stoves. However, we haven't found one yet with bunks that accommodate 2 children. Most seem to be designed for couples.
@@PlayingwithSticks ended up coming across a video last night of a super souped up tear drop! But yes, really just for a couple, I agree. I was blown away still though -- you could stand up, shower, cook, couch that turns into a bed, I mean it was clean! Two ladies living in it full time. Blew my mind!
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 We know exactly the video you are talking about. Well, we think we do. If it is the Exploring Alternatives video about the couple from California they use a T@B teardrop, which are very popular. We still have our fingers crossed for the day they make a more family friendly version.
@@PlayingwithSticks i think that's the one! they were definitely from california! they mentioned they were spending around $900 a month on campgrounds, and the comment section was aghast. i live about 35 miles from san francisco, which is where they lived, and you can't even rent a room for $900 most of the time out here. One bedrooms are going for 3600-4000 a month not too far from me. It's insane! i'll cross my fingers for a more family friendly version, too!
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 Even up here if you were to stay in campgrounds every night it would cost you roughly $700-$800, but people don't realize you aren't paying for electricity, water, trash and sanitation services, property taxes, etc. It all adds up.
Scamp vs Casita that is the question.
That truly is the question. Now we are talking apples to apples.
mcse9073, It appears the Casita has a full fiberglass surround even under the floor, and the Scamp has a wood bottom and the rest is fiberglass. I like the idea of the full shell Casita. However, no one has issues with the wood Scamp floor, so the difference may be moot.
I dont know if there is a weight or cost difference between Casita and Scamp. I believe Casita no longer makes their 13 foot. I live close to Scamp.
One thing is the earlier Scamps are lighter, but some frame cracking issues that can be beefed up (frame changed about 1990).
HA! 30 year old and more of these campers running around!
Check out Rustic Trail Teardrops. It's the best of both.
You are right on with that comment. No joke, we go to their website at least a few times a month. For Alaska we love the Kodiak and Grizzly model. But, with the growing family we probably would be best suited for the Polar Bear.
Just told my husband: I fell in love with this family!
Aww, thank you!
Shichao Cheng you have the the cutest name :-)
D-von get the table
Will do Bubba Ray!
Heeheeheee cute outfit @3:00!!
Aww, thank you. Any chance to throw on a pair of Carhartts we will.
😏
One is a bed,One is a small home.
Great description.
Mosquitoes #1 reason scamp is better. Should have a small section of floor to remove to make a shower like van guy.
Good reason. Actually a very good reason in Alaska! Who is Van Guy? Would love to see that.
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@@Dot0011 Wow, that is truly amazing! Thank you for sharing the link.
Love your vlog...enough with that music...annoying. Nature & humans sound so much more peaceful. Thanks.
Thank you for the feedback. That was one of our first vlogs if you watch our last 10 videos the music is toned down quite a bit. it's funny because we've always made calm music blogs but Drew's mother always said they were depressing so we tried to make them livelier. But, like you it just wasn't our style.
Scamps are so terribly insulated, 2 layers of reflective. R-4 maybe 5.
No insulation in floor.
I wonder how that impacts winter camping. Would less insulation equate to more or less condensation? It is the condensation when camping that bothers us more than the temps. Thanks for sharing.
@@PlayingwithSticks check out Elsa rhae. She lives in scamp. All year around.
What size furnace does it have?
Furnace with Solar, to to be able to run furnace fan in winter.
Woodstoves are a great dry heat.
Once you hit Dew point condensation occurs.
Warm air meeting cold air with the right humidity.
many factors
Yes insulation plays a big part.
Being in a small area, it's harder to control, single pane windows can get quite bad.
I keep my RV around 17 degrees at night time. Run my fantastic fan when humidity gets to high in RV.
I have dual pane windows.
If you're staying in an area with low relative humidity, it will be easier.
Some people let it get to cold at night thus increasing the chance for condensation.
Then it can take so long to warm everything up.
I first moved in a poorly insulated 1977 small class c. I found a way to control condensation.
Air movement is very important.
I could go on. Leave it at that for now.
@@fishyman4820 Thank you for this info. Sounds like airflow and ensuring your temp doesn't get too low is half the battle.
She 5 foot tall
You nailed it. Good eye
The wife likes it; my advice is keep the wife happy. Otherwise, living alone, w/90% of your money going to "ex" and yrs ahead w/no hope of retirement income will convince you, too late, that you could have easily avoided your trashed life!!!
Much appreciated advice!
Can't keep em happy forever, it's impossible.
lose the horrible music
Consider it done!