Cutting time can be greatly improved with a longer saw. Anyone who knows how to use a saw properly knows that long strokes are better than shorter strokes, preferably using even the whole length of the blade, and it makes a big difference.
The great pyramid was supposed to be built by Khufu in 25 years. Think you can quarry and cut all those rocks, transport, and then lift into place (avg 2.5 tons, up to 60 ton granite blocks) in 25 years? The logistics of such a project would require a million plus people working 24/7 (farming, to feed workers, planning, manual labor, etc.
@@freddurstedgebono6029 I am not against the idea of some techniques or tech being used that we are unaware of these days but that's just disingenuous. 6 minutes average would be if you cut them all serial. I can use the same serial logical about every mudbrick in the mudbrick pyramids and it wouldn't make sense either.
@@lancehobbs8012 Sorry even if Denisovans and Neanderthals try to demonstrate it. they would have amounts of copper and stone abrasion slick mud. indeed it will run viscous, left and right from the cut. it should be there visible and rose, also gleams red. no copper abrasion, in this case not any one, means fake.
Wonder why all the people that believe in the "lost ancient/alien technology" are so emotional and defensive in their comments....Its a curious trend ive also noticed with flat earthers. And generally with anyone that believes only what they WANT to be true.
I have been starting to find myself diving into this topic, and am surprised at how seldom any actual evidence is put up, and - especially - brought all the way to a plausible theory for the big picture. This video shows one of the few examples I have seen of somebody who tries to come up with and actually *test* an explanation, which is great. However, they only show a possible *principle* of cutting, and do not extrapolate to what the found performance implicates for the overall explanation. Here is a very quick attempt at doing that: get a *rough big picture* of their explanation. Please comment about possible miscalculations or erroneous numbers (especially such that would change the big picture dramatically). They show a cut which is perhaps 3-5 cm, which they state is obtained "after a few days". This is not an exact measure, but let's assume they cut 3cm in two days. Let's see where that gets us, just roughly, with simple calculations. This is what 3 people can do in their video: 3cm in two days is roughly 10 cm in a week 150 cm can thus be done in approx 15 weeks, which equals approx one side of a single block in the pyramide All 6 sides in a block can thus be done in 6 x 15 weeks = 90 weeks = roughly 2 years It is assumed that the pyramide was built in 20 years, which thus is a time during which these 3 people could have produced approx 10 blocks. One of the great pyramids consists of approx 2.3 million blocks, and the 16 outer layers are done of granite. I here assume that that implies that about half of the blocks, say 1 million blocks, are in granite. This implies that you need 100 000 groups of 3 to produce all the granite blocks, if they can work for the stated 20 year period. In other words, 300 000 slaves/workers worked for 20 years just to *produce* the granite blocks. Apart from this production, the 1.3 miljon limestone blocks also needed to be produced, all of the blocks needed to be transported to the site, they needed to be put into their place in the pyramide, all the workers need food, they need supervisors to organize the work, etc. I have no way of estimating the required work force for the transport and building parts (are their plausible theories for how this could even have been done?) but I would estimate that at least around 1 million people needed to be working exclusively with this project for 20 years. Did one million people even live in Egypt at the time? How many did live there then, and how large portion of the population could conceivable work on this construction? Anyone who knows? If that number is less than 1 million, the explanation in this videos falls short, and other explanations are needed. On a final comment, I do think that other issues with current official explanations are perhaps even greater, such as the crazy precision by which the cutting was done (see e.g. videos by Bright Insight or Brian Forster from not only Egypt but from all over the world). You still today can often not get in a razor blade between adjacent stones, which means that a mm precision and absolutely straight-line cutting was necessary. Their video does not demonstrate (or even concern itself) anything with this issue. All in all, I think that a plausible big picture is far from being present via this video. I personally do think that other not yet assumed ancient technologies is a more plausible explanation, but am open to wherever the evidence leads us. The numbers in my calculations come from www.cheops-pyramide.ch/pyramid-building.html which in turn has references to actual books
Iron was found in the pyramid of Khufu by J.R Hill in 1837, just throwing that out there. In regards to the saw, they showcased in the video, they could have easily have gotten the teeth wrong. I know from experience, a incorrect teeth set can make a job impossible even for something as soft as wood. You can look up modern masonry hand saws and see the difference in how the teeth are set, a vast chasm of time between now and then, but something curious to think about. I often wonder if the Egyptians understood mechanical advantage, with a simple pulley or block and tackle you can move a monstrous amount of weight with very few people... maybe a lot less people and labor was required. As for the precision, at least for a saw, it is possible to create wooden jigs to allow you to cut incredibly straight lines with hand tools. I guess i am of the opinion they were not hand sawing blocks and muscling them out of there but using pulleys, saw mills, jigs , and scaffolding etc.... Without some sort of manufacturing works in place there is no way they got it done, not with a mass of unskilled labor like a lot of people claim. I think they were a lot more advanced in logistics and manufacturing than we give them credit. Hell even with steel and power tools you are not getting anything done with out great organisation, logistics and manufacturing.
The pyramids are not made out of blocks they are sculptures, carved from 3 hills of sandstone. The granite blocks are not granite blocks but are in fact sheets of granite.
Gunnar Cedersund yeah the douchebag said 3-5cm in a few days but he didn’t specify how many hours they worked on it. In the beginning of the video, the scientist said 4mm an hour. In 12 hours that’s almost 5cm. You can then easily cut 5 cm a day with 2 people. Using your calculation with 5cm a day (which could have been higher with better technics and more energy) 2 workers could carve 20 blocks in 20 years if I am correct. Still that’s a lot of people you need to build the mass structures found in Egypt, but with efficient work technics, good organization (with work shifts, extended working hours of the time), the technics displayed in this video makes sense. Of course I’m open for other explanations
@@anyport8061 Maybe iron was found in 1837 but that doesn't prove the iron was ancient, it could have been put in there in 1836, i bet if it was tested it would prove it wasn't ancient. Why would they bring roughly 6 million (for the 3 pyramids) blocks from 500kms away when the Giza plateau is a plateau of sandstone ? If we are to believe the b/s stories then the so-called advanced civilisation must have been the dumbest group of people ever. There were standing on sandstone and in front of them were three hills of sandstone. As long as people want to believe in fantasy theories they'll never realize the truth and the truth is staring everybody in the face. The Sphinx is carved (no-one disputes that) so why not apply the same principal to the pyramids.
4mm in 1h it's roughly 80 cm in 8 days, if they took 8 days to cut a block, let's imagine they had 50000 workers and the great pyramid has more then 2 milion blocks then each guy would need to cut 40 blocks, they are pars so its 80 blocks, that would be 53 years of NONSTOP cutting just to cut the 2 milion blocks, u have to level them and place them. Complete non sense
@@whosthevictim367 these are amateurs doing an experiment. Not professional teams of Egyptian workers with generations of experience. Only the outer blocks and the inner chambers are cut blocks the filling are rough cut rubble you can see it in the pictures of the pyramids. 20 years and 20,000 to 30,000 men is what is believed to be the numbers.
@@pranays mate, the entire pyramid is made of Cut blocks, Leveled blocks and each one around 1 to 3 tons, Kings chamber blocks are 500 tons and are from 500km away, the need to have cut those 500 blocks, Level them, and take them from the quarry 500km away and they didnt even used the wheel, try to scratch a window glass or any glass with your nails, go on ill wait, done it? u cant right? that's because the glass is harder then your nails, you cant scratch things with a softer thing, now imagine cuting those blocks that are lvl 6 to 8 in the mohs scale with copper lvl 3, It does not work like that, you guys type like you know anything but your only speculating on things with 0 knowledge on what you are speculating about
@@whosthevictim367 well they use wet send as the cutting agent. The copper is moving them around. Copper is soft metal and somehow works better than iron which is harder. There is some science behind it though. In India they use both chisels for cutting stone. They use it different times. It seems to me that copper is used with sand.
@@yonker1219 I get it, but not in the context of this video ;) It sounds to me like the OP thinks the mainstream is blinded by the illusion of knowledge and instead of testing rational hypotheses they should put more time into search for Atlantis and lost civilization who built the pyramids and evaporated without a trace ;)
They do except after he proves it. That's called science low IQ clown. The use his numbers for the final calculation. Did you even watch the video before commenting?
@@censorduck you are right it doesn't disprove the video at all. they are just low IQ rascists making fake argument without watching the video first. So it must be white ubermench from Atlantis or mars or which ever nazi Thule society Mythology they believe today
denver mason : Your argument is unbelievably STUPID!!! That's like saying, "Because I can't run a marathon, nobody else can". The people in this demonstration don't do this type of cutting for a living. They're not trained, and they don't have the muscles to do this type of work. In ancient Egypt they would have been very skilled. And, it's quite possible they would have worked in teams. When one set of people were tired, a fresh set would replace them.
kab kab theyre not trained? One studies these techniques for a living and the other says hes been using water with sand for 25 years.... they know more than the egyptians in general. Nevertheless, the point still stands: They were either around for a lot longer than people thought (and so had time to do this), They were more advanced than we think, They had a much larger population (so more work force to build these monuments), Aliens. There are other hypothesis, but in the current acknowledged time frame they had to build everything, and their population size, they would not have been able to do it. The exact man hours required to build the pyramids with these methods (excluding lifting the stones) has been calculated, and it exceeds the egyptians "life time". This is a big question nowadays, since new methods for the construction of these monuments are suggested every year, archeologists take into account how long it would take considering the methods employed.
Someone claim authority because they do something for a living is not necessarily a good thing. The question as to whether the truth is paramount rather than the making of the living must be answered and truthfully it has consistently been shown the answer is money first.
I am sure that they had a much more efficient way of using those tools. Also moving those blocks. When you are in business for years and traditions are passed on for generations you develop some shortcuts and tricks to get things done faster especially when you have plenty of money and resources. By the way they use the similar system in India even today when power tools are available. I saw cutting slabs with chisels and polish the edges with wet sand in a wooden tranch moving them back and front. They get very nice and straight edge.
This. If these displayed this technique to the ancient Egyptian laborers and engineers thousands of years ago they would concur with the principle but shake their head on the method.
@@insanetrickster Like the one guy said, "By the time we finished the 10th sarcophagus, we'd know the answer" I'm amazed how the Egyptians managed to do it at all!
The big pyramid ( just 1) has 2.3m blocks. Each block has 6 cuts. The granite came feom aswan, hundreds of km away. All they did was make over 13.2 million cuts, some with 6 foot saws through granite( which have cut marks shown here over 1 mm per revolution (a ton of pressure?)), with laser precision, transport them, lift into place perfectly or it would easily be off, design the rooms halls and passages so they can take thousands of tonnes on top, make it align north, center of all land mass, and cap it with gold. Easy.
there is no proof of slaves being used in the pyramids, this is a masterwork, not something that a slave could do just because they have physical strength (and not that much btw) actually, there is no proof AT ALL of the building of the pyramids being done by the egyptians, no records of it being done, no description of the construction, and we're talking about the egyptians, people who used their writting system to write a lot of things, and they wouldn't do a single refference to it anywhere? even the sphinx has one, about it's restoration, so, why the fucking pyramids don't have anything?
The pyramids are not made of granite. Just limestone. I ve been to egypt recently and while the pyramids are very impressive... The black granite tumbs are super impressive.. They are flush cut and super straight. The whals inside the pyramids are also impressive but you can actually see marks of chisel. To be honest, nothing in egypt really looks the same, different techniques, different stones... Different ages.
While I "liked" this video because several people went to a lot of trouble to prove that copper and sand would indeed cut granite - it does NOT prove that it was how the ancient Egyptians did it. There's LOTS of granite work that required chisels - and it was experimentally proven that it couldn't be made from bronze or copper. The QUANTITY and MAGNITUDE of ancient Egyptian cut stone is staggering - they couldn't work several days to gain a blade's width through a block. Has anyone tested a sample of the soil from a stone workshop? Is there a spectrographic spike in the copper region to prove all that copper that was supposedly used? Or is the spike in the iron region? For some reason, iron artifacts are... dismissed. The precision cuts of ancient Egyptian stones show an absolute flatness that requires a metal frame for the gang saw - it wasn't always hand held, as in this demo. The quantity of work done and the scale shows that they took this basic principle and mechanized it somehow = possibly with water power and the same water gravity-fed over the cuts and sand fed into the cuts with hoppers. The problem with Academia is that they want to look down on people in the past. They think that people only evolved upwards in a single slow learning curve. Academia can't consider the possibility that the Ancients learned something that was lost - something that our scientists have yet to discover.
@@SF-li9kh Uhm.. diamond tipped chisels? No.. Diamond is hard, but very brittle. It can withstand lots and lots of pressure, and for grinding it is excellent. But for chisels intended for stone, it would be a waste.
Dude! They had TWO THOUSAND YEARS to build all of Ancient Egypt. Also... you can have more than one drill team (etc) working at the same time. Academia are very passionate about the people of the past. If you actually READ archeology you would know this.
"There's LOTS of granite work that required chisels - and it was experimentally proven that it couldn't be made from bronze or copper." No problem. A good, river-polished round stone is at least as hard as the material it is working on and is the right rounded shape to handle many impacts.
@@SF-li9kh One or two hits and the diamond is in pieces. Modern hard metal tools use silicon carbide or tungsten carbide powder cemented with a metal that is soft but tough and ductile like cobalt. The cobalt wears away, exposing only the hard grains of carbide to the impact. The small carbide crystals do not need to flex and bend, because they cobalt cementing it toghether can do this; you get amazing wear resistance. This is absolutely not necessary. Just some round, crack free river stones of a material at least as good as the stone you are working will slowly and steadily wear away at the rock.
I think this does prove that abrasive cutting is the way they did it. Maybe not exactly as in this video. I imagine a complex wodden frame holding the saw perfectly level. It is not at all hard to believe because today, massive, MASSIVE granite rocks are cut easily and very smoothly using a diamond wire saw that uses abrasive sawing as its working principle.
I heard it was no slaves. it was workers. The only problem is according to papyrus Westcar Khufu was short of funds. No Problem if Mark Lehner comes to Egypt, he was looking for Atlantis and had no money too. just at this epic moment, the Edgar Cayce Foundation was helping him out.
I think it’s completely impracticle and it’s already been explained that if they built the pyramids in 20 years they would have had to cut, move and place a block in position every 2 and a half minutes which gets harder and harder the higher they get. Also cutting the blocks isn’t half as crazy as being able to encode pi, phi and the fibanacci sequence in to the structure itself also the fact that it’s actually eight sided as the face dents inwards and on the solstice you see the face split in half one side in light and one in shade to mark the solstice. Also it has the dimensions of our planet encoded in its structure too so whoever built it knew the earth was round and were able to measure its size. I think also when you look at the walls of sacsyhuaman in Peru as well it’s very clear that they were obviously much smarter and more well equipped to construct such structures
Idiots in the comments: *granite is only a tiny portion of the great pyramids* the *vast majority* is *soft limestone* . This is an AMAZING video that answers a LOT of questions!!
>achieves this small impact in a FEW days > estimates say the stones had to be cut at a hourly rate ??? Just say 'We DONT KNOW" but good proof of showing this isnt how it was done.
I agree. They seem to think they have reached some sort of conclusion that this was the method used. Let's see them make a 100 ton box out of andesite with the same tools.
Fantastic! Now let's see them do 100 blocks of rose granite weighing 20 tons each and 100 cores clean through some of those blocks. That'll show up those ancient tech skeptics! Come on, do it for real. Oh, and move them the same distance with no modern tech at all. It was easy, right? Do it people! Make those skeptics look like fools. But you have to finish it, like a real job, not a teeny sample. Then compare the results under a microscope to the ancient work, and NOW we're talking science.
Yeah and do one of those granite and basalt Serapuem boxes with a lid, both cut out of 200 ton solid blocks, with sides so smooth that one can see a reflection in it.
Please, explain how this method could be used to cut the interior of an andesite piece weighing over 100 tons to perfect angular accuracy. Something tells me you take things at face value without really thinking.
@@McShag420 Give me some time to think about that one. But while I'm at it, I got a simple math question for you to solve: On one hand you have the opinion of hundreds of professional scientists with decades and centuries of archaeological research at their backs and new exciting discoveries being made every year (including a 4,500 year old papyrus ledger written by someone who actually WORKED on the Great Pyramids) And on the other hand, you have the opinion of some old British guy who smokes a lot of weed. Which do you suppose is more credible? Fuck.
Oh, by the way, I've had some time to think about your query and I have an answer for you: Q: How could this method be used to cut the interior of an andesite piece weight over 100 tons to [near] perfect accuracy? A: Really, really slowly.
Is the video suggesting those monuments were not made by aliens, or with super advanced lasers? Ancient Egypt's stonemasons were in reality highly trained professionals that knew what they were doing? Inconceivable!
In order to complete the work the great Pyramid in has 2.3 million blocks averaging 2.5 tons each. Over a 40 year. They would have to place 55000 Stones a year. From quarry, transport, Cutting, shaping, placing. The proposed idea that it's for a tomb becomes absurd and when you consider the man power. The numbers require a larger population than currently estimated for the time assuming everyone was working on it.
Assuming 10 thousand workers (which is several times fewer than there was, but let's be pessimistic), that's 5 stones a year for each worker. Astronomical!
@@petros_adamopoulos 5 stones a year using bronze chisels... good luck on that. You can't employ the stonecutting techniques the Scottish use with bronze chisels. You know what physically happens? You go through bronze chisels and the stones absorb the shock. Moh's Hardness scale would not be your friend. 4mm an hour (demonstrated in video) , average dimensions are 127 x 127 x 71cm (6 sides) that's 1625 hours to complete one stone without any polishing work or fitting, thats 162.5 10 hour work days. Thats 2.2 stones a year per worker if they can manage the feat of doing it by themselves. Additionally the mainstream claim is 23 years as Khufu reigned from 2551 to 2528 BCE. So the time has been cut in several ways. The technology as explained for cutting the stone is wrong.
@@samueldavila2156 people were never that stupid. If they regarded their pharao godly then surely he would have found a better way to do it. We simply "explain" everything with religious zealotry when we fail to have another logical explanation. Somehow people back then seem to only knew graves and temples and never built anything else or what ? Also for a grave the pyramid lacks decoration and wallpainting. Every other pharao grave has hieroglyphs all over and if it wasnt robbed alot of treasury as well. The great pyramid has none of both. Doesnt add up.
nonsense... you can cut granite with wet sand abrasion but you can not cut it precisely enough to create sharp angles and perfectly fitting (down to millimeter) mirrored pieces (which is also visible on what they cut in the video).
For even more laughs, let's see them try to recreate the pristine, perfectly joined, smooth and multi-angular megalithic stones in Peru (ascribed to the Inca but clearly predating them and obviously distinct from their style of construction). View from the start for comparison, but what I'm talking about appears at 4:30: ua-cam.com/video/h4crQMt8Cbs/v-deo.html
Hilarious. So, start of video, they show us copper chisels don’t do anything. So we move to a saw. They make sure to tell us that a saw alone also won’t do anything and we need an abrasive like sand, which can cut granite. But we need to chip a groove first. But they already established the chisel doesn’t work, so how do they chip this groove? Well we don’t know because they completely skipped that, and they don’t even show the groove they’re pouring into. After three days they get about 2 inches worth of a cut. I’d like to see a stone cut all the way through. The Egyptians didn’t stop after a few inches. They say that the cut marks are just like the ones on the original artifact but I guess we’re supposed to take their word for it as they only show a quick shot from a distance. Extremely hard to see anything. Onto the tube drill. They show a perfectly round circle already cut into the granite so as to help get the cutting process started. But they don’t show how this was accomplished? Whatever, they get on to drilling based on hieroglyphs depicting this method was used for cutting…. Wood. Sure I guess. Ok now time to pop out the core. Wonder if they tried copper chisels before resorting to harder metal ones at the end. Because those certainly weren’t copper. In all these documentaries, the end up resorting to modern technology at some point. This was thousands of years ago. We should have no trouble replicating this stuff if we know how they did it. In all these documentaries, we struggle mightily to get results.
The Egyptian hijacked these structures..they were clearly not burial tombs that's ridiculous..this was an older civilization that was wiped out and the Egyptian inherited the structures and reshape the sphynx which was either a lion or a dog but more likely a lion in my opinion
@@SgtJoeSmith 1) to say that the pyramids exist because of a highly advanced civilization and that a highly advanced civilization is proven by the existence of the pyramids is a cyclical argument and therefore not valid 2) the existence of human bones does not prove the existence of a highly advanced civilization What's the point?
Look at the giant unfinished obelisk. It's practically finished and not even out of the ground. You think they cut that with a 5 foot saw? How did they cut off the top and underneath? On each side there is barely enough room for a person to walk around, and you want us to believe they either used a primitive saw of what length or round stones, lol. All the obelisks are perfectly square on all sides . Again, the unfinished obelisk is still in the ground and was cut right there in place. It is basically square from top to bottom, not to mention the perfect taper on all sides from top to bottom. Look at the finished ones. Micro precision of all sides from top to bottom. You can't even cut a small piece of wood on a table saw without a fence and joiner. Anyone can make a saw cut in granite. Let's see you finish one square block with micro precision on all sides and then cut out the middle and create a sarcophagus with microprecision.
Golden Darkness070 We have cut and transported stones for thousands of years it is nothing new. The largest stone known to be moved by man was done so fairly recently in the late 1700s it weighed 1500 tonne the thunderstone. Humans are awesome. Peace!
You need to look at log hewing if you think you can't cut wood without modern engineered kit. Europeans have been hewing trees into beams with nothing but some strings and a hatchet. You either a) have no legitimate experience with tradition wood working and the results possible with simple tools and time; thus trying to imply inordinate difficulty to ratify your claims about stonework becomes irrelevant. Or you have experience with traditional wood working and the possible results, but you are intentionally lying about them to ratify your claims about stonework. In other words, you're either ignorant or a liar. Either way, you expose your lack of credibility to speak about the matter, and are not to be taken seriously.
One have to think like they must have thought. They became masters not only of fire, wood and rock cutting, sculpting, polishing and transporting rocks and igneous masterpieces. Only a few of us still think they used only bronze chisels wood malets alone without diamond and steel tips. It is a fact they used iron clips or anchors to hold rocks together thus they have steel in smaller quantities. They also knew water masterfully, steel, diamonds etc and their properties. One good for this and not good for that empirically. The arcs left on some unfinished cut rocks tell us that they knew the wheel and from records huge wheels at that, indisputably small wheels too. They sure used diamonds ( hardest rock), sand and steel. They also knew how to drill holes in rocks and for sure made tools with harder metals in smaller quantities. Sure they used these on the tip of their cutting tools. They also knew gold and other metals and knew their qualities. Only some still think that because wood tools that rot, diamonds, gold and precious tools were (stolen for sure) not found that they were not used. They made things with precise measurements because they were great observers of nature and space.
You know the new kingdom was iron age right? Egypt lasted from stone age through the iron age. Also flint and other stones can be used to chisel stone. Like cuts like.
The Great Pyramid is made of about 2 300 000 stone blocks. And it was built in around 20 years (according to historical sources). So the average time of cutting, polishing and transporting a single stone block = 20 years / 2300000 = 20 x 365 x 24 x 60 / 2300000 minutes = 4.57 minutes. And if I'm not mistaken, a guy from the video said that his method guarantees a cutting speed of 4mm / hour. So clearly the Ancients were using far more efficient stone cutting methods. Not to mention the precision they achieved.
many of the stones that were on the outside of the pyramid and have now fallen of are granite, and the ones inside the pyramids making the halls are granite. but even with limestone it could not be done using this method. not even in a 100 years.
I disagree. I don’t recall seeing this saw in the archives. How about the larger blocks? How do you explain the the circular saw marks? To simplified. Is he using copper or bronze? More research needs to be done regardless. Not to mention .... did he use the real tools to do these examples?
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Nice how the three white dudes watch the brown dudes do the work
OK. They used copper saws, water and sand to make these precision cuts, like the box/sarcophagus at 0:32 So, please tell me how they carved the inside of the box with just as much precision. Tell me how well that saw worked on the inside of the box. This is the question that nobody will answer. "Oh they used copper saws or string saws to carved/cut these boxes." But they never tell you what they used to carve the inside.
The majority of the interior of the Stone boxes were hollowed out by cross sectional tube drilling,we know this as there are still tube drill marks present. the interior would have been shaped using a variety of bronze alloy chisels and then rubbing stones along with different grades of Aggregate for polishing.
What we don't know is exactly what the tube drill was made of and the aggregate employed eg Quartz, Emery or even diamond. We also can't be sure how the shaft was powered, we know they didn't use combustion engines or any power tools which only leaves man power, weights, pulleys, ropes, water or animals
@@tomburton1037 Surely you have studied the sarcophagus in the kings chamber at Giza.Tool marks on the inside of the granite Sarcophagus in the King's Chamber indicate that when the granite was hollowed out, preliminary roughing cuts were made by drilling holes into the granite around the area which was to be removed. These drill holes were made with tube-drills, which left a central core that had to be knocked away after the hole had been cut. After all the holes had been drilled, and all the cores removed, the Sarcophagus was then handworked to its desired dimension. The machinists on this particular piece of granite once again let their tools get the better of them, and the resulting errors are still to be found on the inside of the coffer in the King's Chamber:
Didn't see that one but I was fortunate to see the boxes at the Serapeum of Saqqara. The ones you could actually look into were as smooth and precision as the outside.
Their whole demo falls flat against the FACTS. Archaeologists seem to be resistant or SCARED of FACTS. First of all they don't show you core marks on their tiny core. Its because their method makes horizontal marks, which are NOT on the real cores. Secondly the original cores show a fantastic feed rate that we can't match in our times. Thirdly, no copper TUBES have ever been found in Egypt. If you ever do art jewelry work, making tubing is a very difficult process. It took these guys DAYS to cut a really small length core. The original cores were cut in minutes. Fourthly, the amount of WEIGHT required using their method would grind the copper tube into dust, but more likely it would collapse as its been estimated to take a ten ton weight would have to have been used. This is PSEUDO SCIENCE they are using. Its the same kind of debunking Smithsonian used to "prove" the Mitchell Hedges crystal skull was made in modern time. Except they hired a Chinese quartz carver who used MODERN DIAMOND TOOLS, to create a completely fake crystal skull that had NONE of the documented features, such as the INTERNAL PRISM and perfect balance points on either side of the jaw. They also neglected to note that the ONLY "tool marks" on the skull were from a single tiny chip that Hewlett Packard PUT there to get a sample for analyses. Why are archaeologist so terrified of the TRUTH? That all over our planet there are examples of high technology in stone cutting and MOVING. We can't reproduce any of what exists in just about every continent on planet Earth. We KNOW that archaeologist who find examples of Humanity existing in time periods that aren't in their books, these guys are ostracized, fired, lose their livelihoods if they speak out, because they simply report factual evidence that their priesthood tells us can't exist. Prideful ignorance? Probably.
I'm not convinced yet. At the rate they were going, it would take years to cut some of those massive granite stones that weigh into the tons. Enjoyed the video thou.
They were cut to a small depth to the shape of a block and then wedges were tapped into the cut groove, water was poured over tge wedges to which they expanded and split the stone into its scribed cut shape. The wedges split the stone.
@@davidcorbett1713 20yrs just to buy the granite, then add to that the limestone, construction and planning - possible but would take generations (even though no good explanation is given how they placed all the bricks
They’re four guys trying something out as a test for a proof of concept. Take a family line of craftsman, give them a few generations to optimize their tools and techniques, and you’d have a much better output than what we see here using the same technique.
Have a look at what is used to cut and polish diamonds. Copper discs. Ask any aircraft maintenance engineer what happens when a soft metal rubs against a hard metal for any length of time. The soft metal cuts into the hard metal. Why? Because bits of grit get embedded in the soft metal, not the hard metal, and the grit cuts the hard metal. Diamonds are not cut by copper, but by diamond dust embedded into the copper. Sand is a poor choice for cutting granite. Crushed sapphire or ruby would work much better. The ancient Chinese used crushed sapphire to cut jade, also a very hard stone. They even used string with crushed sapphire to cut jade!!
Agreed. this video never said that the ancients did it with these exact tools. it just shows that we haven't considered all the ways primitive people could have done something, the weight of the tube/saw, its shape at the cutting end/edge, the type of grit they use, the speed which they could do it, etc, etc would effect the finished look. I would really like some reports on analysis of the sand below ground that got covered up over the years to see if there is an overabundance of materials that might indicate the grit or tools used as the particles fell off the tools and stones. High copper particles would indicate copper tools and unaturally high particles of large quartz might indicate both sawing and quartz grit, etc, etc..
Excellent proof of concept. With time and testing, the lubrication, abrasive type and grade, copper/bronze composition, saw shape, saw loading, etc. could all be perfected, and so vastly improving the performance. As with all technology, we see orders of magnitude improvement from initial concept to final industrial use.
alright now go do MILLIONS of perfectly cut stones. its literally imposible on a time scale. slaves eh? rotating continental shifts of just straight up cutting stones for their whole life? then stacking the stones in perfect order. it answers one aspect of a million problem question
This is only two people so of course it would take forever, but have you ever considered that the ancient civilisations were built by thousands of people together...
I laughed soo hard.. when he said.. we achived this in just a few days... just admit we have no clue how they did it...in stead of making a fool out of yourselves!
bigbluntt Hi: I begin my response by saying: "I am a human being. I cannot run a marathon therefore no human can run, or ever has ran a marathon." Obviously the above statement is false. One reason why it is false is because it overlooks "skill". Just like I'm not skilled in running a marathon, the people in the video are not skilled in cutting stones this way. Not even Roger Baker who is a stonemason cuts stones this way in his professional life. As a result, his muscles are not developed, nor his techniques refined to do the work this way. Also, if only three people worked on the cut, I might agree with you. Thousands of people worked on the pyramid and as one group of people got tired of cutting, simply replace them with a fresh group. Plus, granite stones in the pyramid represents less than 1.6 % of the amount of the stone blocks in Khufu's pyramid by mass. They're simply not that many to cut and they had a couple of years to do it. I have to agree the video is poorly documented, but I guess it's purpose was to demonstrate the basic technique. At the beginning of the video Dennis Stocks does mention cut rates of 4 millimeter per hour were obtainable, but he doesn't state how that was determined.
Once they have done that, They should cut 2.3 million stones. Then they should invent a time machine and go back to 4500BC. Then become a pharaoh. Then hire 40000 workers. Then actually build a pyramid. Then record a video and travel back to 2018 AD. Then come over to your house. Then show you the video. When you claim the video is doctored, take you also back to 4500 BC. Then build another frikkin pyramid to prove it to you. All these tasks have to be done to satisfy you. How about you try to cast a copper tube using primitive methods yourself and then we'll decide if that was NOT the case. Until then copper tube drilling is the way they did it
@@SF-li9kh The burden of proof ays not with us bu with Egyptology, which provided no answer, but bullshit stories no one buys. When Egyptologists like Vyse were blowing up stuff in egypt with dynamite and pushing a colonialist narrative, I didn't see you holding a candle. Any true person of science sees the Egyptology for what it is - a pseudo-science like astrology...
You can also use copper, stone or timber shims aswell. Why do you shadow ban anyone who even mentions these techniques in your comments section, these methods have well and truly been demonstrated. You censor your channel to keep the echoe chamber alive, it's very misleading. ua-cam.com/video/cqUBjJdytwM/v-deo.html .ua-cam.com/video/Mq2KGQajfAo/v-deo.html
Hey look, proof that you have watched the videos that completely debunk your claims, yet you continue to push them. Knocking that core out could be done with any kind of wedge. Even jamming another piece of rock in there would work. If you need to reach that hard to find something to criticize in this video, it must be pretty damning. What's next, are you going to call them out for using a plastic bottle to pour the water?
I see or hear no one who comments that people who have never done a particular kind of thing can learn ALL KINDS of tricks as they start doing something new. So, a guy who just starts to grind granite, in a few hours, will have several NEW tricks he can use that he didn't know about when he started. And the next day, he already has a headstart, using what it took him hours to learn the first day. Day after day of this, for a couple decades, and you wind up with pyramids that people thousands of years later look at and scratch their heads.
You are being anachronistic. The Egyptians had a lot of TIME and the labor force was very cheap. It took centuries to build something. You judge with modern eyes, of a society where time is precious. For the ancients, time did not matter - it was cyclical or mythical before Herodotus (there was no HISTORY before the Greeks).
Thanks for the video. I cut and carve limestone blocks in my work making window sills, lintols and carvings etc but these cutting techniques take hours, days and weeks to carve and shape but the ancient Egyptains had the time and man power to do this work in the limestone quarries but the guestimated time of 20 years for the Great pyramids build time using the bronze chisels, saws and the bow/string methods would have taken a lot longer to have done the work. Now look at the Rose granite block work and those same mentioned bronze tools would have taken even longer to have got the accurate cuts that were achieved for the statues and perfectly squared off tomb blocks with the lids.
Peter Gambier stated: _"the guestimated time of 20 years for the Great pyramids build time using the bronze chisels, saws and the bow/string methods would have taken a lot longer to have done the work."_ You cannot possibly validate such a claim unless you knew all the exact techniques and the total number of men that were working on it.
zdcyclops1 I'm not sure why everyone always jumps to "aliens did it". Many people think humans built them, just with much more advanced technology. Meaning, we are not the smartest civilization to ever have existed.
And yet this advanced civilization vanished without a single trace of their life or tools? Only recently actual proofs of the theories for stone henge and easter islands have been successfully demonstrated, putting an end to their magical conspiracy theories. I hope with our lifetime the pyramids will be solved with proof.
@@SF-li9khAgain you are full of shit. Nothing at Stone Henge has been proven. Hughe sarsen stones that are 7/10 on Mohs scale were supposedly cut by a bronze age culture. Hardness of copper and bronze is 3/10 on the same scale. Same with Easter island blocks. You just don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I'd be embarrassed to be you.
@@G0rdonFr33man Do you not understand what abrasive sawing is? The copper is not doing the cutting. Quartz, corundum, emery or even diamond, these are all abrasives which are used in conjunction with bronze or copper saws or drills and have been used for thousands of years. The chinese favored bronze wire abrasive saws and emery for their jade work. Peace!
The title should be, “failed granite cutting, and drilling” No one knows how it was done. No one. They have no idea. If the Egyptians actually used this method to cut the stones, they’d still be there. Doesn’t explain the Rameses statue, or the pyramids. This just proves we don’t know shit.
Actually, this video shows how to use simple, fairly obvious copper tools to create the cuts you see in ancient egypt. If you can't imagine these simple processes being honed and perfected over years to more efficient than they show in this first attempt, you lack imagination. Not every block's face in the pyramids was saw cut, some are split and faced with chisels.
Matthew Chin this process is retarded. The Egyptians never did or would have used it. Too slow. They were way more efficient and clever. Point is, no one knows. No one will know how they did it. You know why? Because they didn’t. The pyramids and the Sphinx are waaaaaaayyyy older than the Egyptian civilization. Funny how they recorded everything they did, and yet no inscriptions on the Sphinx or pyramids, and no scrolls or texts mentioning it or them at all... Seti the first had to uncover the Sphinx in order to remodel it. You’re kidding yourself if you credit the Egyptians for their construction. There’s no eveidence for that at all.
@@jesterboykins2899 This demonstration was three guys spending a couple days to cobble together a proof of concept model for how it was done. If you gave me two months to perfect the water delivery system thru the center of the tube, and a greased wooden bushing to hold it on top, I'd have that copper tube thing cutting 4 inches depth per shift in granite. If you can't imagine that, you're unqualified to comment about basic stone cutting technology.
@@matthewchin6454 I wish more people understood that. This is clear proof that it was possible with what they had and people still wanna say its some "lost ancient technology". No. Its a shit load of people with a shit load of time on their hands to perfect this stuff. People watch too much Graham Hancock.
I find it very difficult to believe Egyptians would have gone to that much trouble to cut granite, or indeed could even make certain cuts shown in ancient stonework with tools like these. Some of it would have been impossible this way and we know that they cut stone precisely that is MUCH harder than granite, even. To believe this, I would have to see them recreate one of the andesite boxes found in the Serapeum, at a Moh's scale of hardness of 7. There are perfectly squared edges and corners, INSIDE the boxes.
.....yup it's one thing just cutting a straight edge but it is another thing entirely cutting a straight edge inside a one piece box.......this guy is a charlatan.
@@blaze1148 nice projection clown. You soft handed simpleton. Use the drill cut out a bunch of connected holes once it is hollow smooth the side with sanding stones. This is grade 8 wood working class level stuff you morons can't figure out. That's how dumb your racism makes you look.
one problem though: based on the drill pattern and the space between grooves, the tool they used was doing down at a MUCH higher rate of speed. Like WAY higher.
You COULD use transistor radios to make the internet, but it would be so huge that it would be the 7th wonder of the world.... lol see what I did there?
I love how seemingly nobody seems to take into account that they had animals to aid in labor as well as simple machines such as pulley systems with counter weights, rolling logs, etc. I swear some of the people commenting on here believe everyone before modern times were just a bunch of bumbling idiots that somehow miraculously seemed to make it as far as they did. I can think of 2 different ways to make the cutting faster as well as the fine details like smoothing it out and one man could do these tasks while the others on the team did other tasks like checking how level it was or adding sand and water as the saw cut. Take a 12-15 foot copper saw ( as opposed to the shorter saw they are using here.) with sand and water and it would exponentially increase the work done because it’s more time that the blade is cutting across the stone, hence more work being done with less labor required. Now let’s make it a little easier and make a piston like system with a few cogs/wheels and a rod that allows for a reciprocating action like a piston (dont tell me they weren’t smart enough to figure this out because they had animal drawn chariots/carts that used wheels and they also had architects/engineers who use lots of math to design stuff and who I’m pretty confident had an amazing understanding of their craft and tools) and tie a large work animal like an ox to the main cog and have it walk in circles. While this is happening, the ox powers it and the saw just cuts away. A very plausible method of doing it and easily achieved, even for them, especially when you consider the fact that there were THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS. Another method of making the cutting and shaping easier is cutting grooves for some chisels and slowly driving them down into those lines to split the rock. You can get pretty close to the desired dimensions and then just have to do some touching up for anything that’s left on the work area, which can be taken care of by the aforementioned saw and would take considerably less effort due to the fact that you aren’t having to cut away massive amounts at a time. I’m not a stone mason nor an engineer but I’m also not stupid enough to assume that there is just no conceivable way that this could be done back then. There is a guy named Wally wallington that uses wooden blocks and pebbles to move 10 ton blocks of concrete by himself ( this includes lifting them into place using counter weights to tip each side as he raises it into place.) to make his own Stonehenge in his back yard. If this man can do that by himself with a basic understanding of physics and simple machines, the ancient Egyptians could absolutely have done this with the THOUSANDS of workers they had and all the years they spend working with stone. I’m not going to go into moving them because that’s a completely different topic and I just don’t have the energy to type all of that out along side this, but yeah, there are really simple methods that are 100% plausible that would work and that they were smart enough to figure out.
Yeah they were in a hurry, because according to Egyptology they built each one of the pyramids in 20 years. Laughable. They could have been experts, but you are a dilettante.
You don't know what the hell you are talking about if you are cutting a 7/10 granite on Moh's scale with 3/10 copper. Just another youtuber commenting out of their ass.
In addition to what Drop said, they made the pyramids out of much softer limestone (hardness 3-4). The particular technology depicted here was used for smaller finer stuff like sarcophagi made of granite (hardness 6-7). I see no inconsistency.
@@yosefyahu4778 What's so funny? Any craftsman is not going to master it on their 1st attempt. What it does show is a couple people can cut granite with a copper tool, sand and water and the markings match the cutmarking in the stones.
@@swirvinbirds1971 there is absolutely no way that the methods shown in the video can accomplish near perfect symmetry and right angles of 300+ ton blocks, statues and obelisks! ua-cam.com/video/h6H13Mi6Kds/v-deo.html - ua-cam.com/video/6KUDu40BC5o/v-deo.html - ua-cam.com/video/YZFN29FdCM0/v-deo.html
@@yosefyahu4778 why? Because you said so? 😆 What is the link for? You do realize we have Egyptian documents of the Construction of the Great Pyramid right? www.livescience.com/55439-ancient-logbook-on-great-pyramid-unveiled.html
Nope. You guys are WRONG. So how did they cut 20m length blocks and move them. Have you ever tried to cut a piece of wood while trying to ensure that the cut is straight? Its bloody difficult. After cutting the wood it would be imperfect you would then have to file it down. You experts are wrong. And with these pieces of granite you couldn't make a mistake otherwise the thing is ruined. That and you don't find hundreds of discarded pieces of rock that would show they made mistakes. They knew what they were doing and they had tools comparable to our modern power tools. That and you would have a million more blocks to cut perfectly.
Mistakes are cut into other objects and used for other projects like house building of walls, walkways or even gravel paths (yep even the fine sand leftovers are used) , nothing got wasted.. you would realize this if you actually knew anything about how ancient cultures worked. Also a 20 meters by 2 meter block is not cut with 20 meter saw but a 2 meter one, just saying.
skeecats: Did you even watch the video? If you did you would have seen the giant mistake they made when cutting the sarcophagus lid 0:33 lol. they made plenty of mistakes and hid them where possible. There are many discarded Granite pieces have you been living under a rock.
Most people commenting here about forgotten advanced technologies are the same people that 7,000 to 12,000 years ago would see these buildings and statues and fall to their knees assuming they were done by Gods. In the meanwhile, pharaohs, kings and rulers with their architects and engineers would be laughing, sipping booze and bedding their daughters. Most of these constructions spanned over generations. Thousands of workers were born and died working on them. Hundreds of machinery, tools and construction techniques could be created using only the materials from these ages. This video is a good and simple example of it. Just try and open your mind, multiply this 5 guys by thousands working day and night, take it to an industrial scale and maybe you'll get of your knees.
"both methods work, and both methods produce the same edged line as seen in the old tombs" edged lines in the great pyramid? please show me mr. narrator. and just to leave a 8cm deep scratch over couple of days in a granite doesn't equal to cutting 70 ton granite blocks in *perfect* 3 dimensional accuracy. the results actually contradict the mainstream paradigm straightforward, since this nothing but confirms that they simply couldn't have achieved the egyptian or south american level of accuracy with copper or bronze tools. not even close.
Interesting video I think your on the right track. Lapping techniques have been around far longer than is documented. Its a simple principal that you showed. A soft tool that can embed a harder cutting media. The really neat thing about it is that the process randomly wears the lap until all of the errors are removed and a perfect surface or cylinder has been formed. There is more to it than that but that is the high lights. Automatic generation of surfaces (takes 3 to do it with no reference) is the basis of all modern measuring and machine technology have been made. There is two kinds of accuracy geometric (Flattness, Squareness, Roundness) and what we think today of dimensional accuracy (Comparing a work piece to a standard measurement). There idea of a standard unit of measure and what we have today are very far apart. With the right tools and techniques matching parts is not as difficult as you might think So maybe they used a media different than sand. Maybe they used more water in the cutting process to clear out the excess. look up the book "Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy" the beginning covers allot of these topics and is a fascinating story of how we got from stone and black smiths to what we call precision tools today. Its all the same underlying principals that our ancestors had much much longer to master than what we have done in the past 150 years or so.
you know what I find entertaining! I have watched hundreds of videos on here about ancient Egyptians and their writings . on one hand theyl want me to believe what the ancient Egyptians wrote on the wall but on the other hand when the Egyptians talk about God's coming from heaven or pictures that look like spacecraft it's nonsense really there's so much history that we are being denied because of politics and religion
I think the main decider for me is the fact there's documentation of them using core drills on wood but no documentation on anything to do with cutting stone or building the pyramids surely this is a much greater achievement than drilling wood?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle no, but it implies that they could do that, and since we don't have evidence of other civilizations living in egypt at the time they are the best candidates
So that's maybe where all that copper mined during that era in and along Lake Superior that they can't account for more than a few hundred pounds went? The whole half a million tons of it was ground to dust sawing granite in Egypt.
The video left a lot to be desired. The question of wear on the copper saw was not considered or measured in the video. The before-sawing and after-sawing weight of the copper blade (without the weights and handles on the ends of the copper blade) should have been measured and reported. My guess is that a substantial amount of the copper blade was worn away as you suggest.
There's not a snowball's chance in hell that's how they built the pyramids or anything else it would take decades to build a simple square room let alone an intricately cut pyramid or monuments
i'd have to agree with the dude with the glasses on his head when he said " I've done it dry and I've done it wet , and wet is much better ....... OH YA !!!
Interesting but frankly, this is an exercise which points to showing the methods that were not used in pyramid construction, how many million 10 ton or heavier blocks were cut and dressed on all surfaces? If 2,000,000 blocks x 4 days to not even cut more than 10% through as was demonstrated here, that equation alone would prove the point! That’s before the question of separating them from bedrock and bringing them to site from hundreds of miles away is even considered
pyramids are mostly built of limestone, not granite. only very small parts are made of granite. and there are tens of thousands of people working on pyramids, not just handful.
@@methylene5 yes if you rub it against a hard surface. but if you rub it against sand not much will happen since the sand will not strip the ductile copper off.
Concerning the building of impossible structures by ancient civilizations, I submit, that it's not ancient high technology, but sediment hardnesses. In the beginning, God separated water from land, which created large layers of soft malleable sediments. This same exact geography would occur a second time during the Global Flood of Noah's age. As humanity increased in population and spread throughout the earth, they would inevitably encounter these materials and begin making impossible statues, columns, temples, murals with very detailed and exquisite carvings or etchings that had glass smooth polished surfaces and drilling holes, because until these earthen materials hardened fully, they would be similar to working with clay. As the centuries passed and these sedimentary layers solidified into solid rock, the capability to reproduce what the ancients had achieved was no longer available to them, which is why you clearly see a drastic decline in quality of work and type of stones being used. This perfectly explains the capabilities of ancient civilizations and how they achieved their impossible to duplicate creations, yet instead of allowing the Bible to guide archaeologists into the correct answer of how megalithic structures and impossible to create statues from the hardest rock known was built, they wander off into the ridiculous ideology of ancient space alien technology.
The pyramid is essentially compartments filled with rubble. The cut stones make up a small proportion of the total volume. I think its fair to assume some of the volume is made up to some extent by a natural outcrop and that the surrounding area lowered by cutting blocks and rubble for use on higher levels of the construction.
@@o0zeroh0o Add in free food, free housing , and last, but not least, free beer, and they'll do it, if the alternative is starving to death in a sober state.
@@heisag that all adds a whole bunch of other problems you "fans of the official" theory are ignoring. You dont seem to care about the logistical problems of feeding those HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of workers that all had to be supplied - according to official theorys - ALL WHILE BEING IN THE FUCKING DESERT YIKES. Oh and the 200km way of transportation as well doesnt seem to matter to people like you. Youre literally acting like your imagination is some sort of proof. "oh i think if its like this and this then they wouldve done it", sure dude. Btw the estimated population of ancient egypt is around 1 to 1.5 million. Some people already did the math. If the claims of the great pyramids (only that single one) being built in 20 years with those exact methods wants any chance to be taken seriously they had to at least have 300.000 Workers work at the pyramid at the same time. WIth an overall population of around somewhat of a million. Do you really believe they would occupy roughly 1/3 of their estimated population to build a FUCKING GRAVE FOR 20 FUCKING YEARS ? While supplying them all with food and beer ? Youre fucking delusional i say. Even if we pretend for your sake that the supplying of the workers wasnt a problem, i cant see a civilisation occupy 1/3 of their overall population basically 24/7 to build a fucking grave. You dont even believe it yourself if youre honest.
By making a flat sheet of it (which is super easy) then rolling it around a rod shaped object (probably of wood) until the edges meet (no need to seal that gap incidentally). that is why Anvils have always had a horn on it, for example.
I've had the privilege of examining casing stones and other cut stones on the Giza plateau using precision metrology equipment. All I will say is that this is how some of the rocks were cut. While most others were not. I will leave it at that.
The pyramids were assembled when I was still a young 3000 years old. They used early rock melting to mold the blocks. The Egyptians renovated them some 7500 years later and did a fine job. They have really gone down hill though in the last thousand years. And they weren't tombs, but a really impressive cool temperature hangout to play music in.
Thanks for the proof granite can be cut with copper saws and tubes using sand! I wonder if they also didn't create some large flat granite grinding surfaces that newly cut blocks could be slid and spun around on to finish them and make them flat? With sand between the block and the 'floor' surface, these blocks could be ground to a fine flat surface, and different grades of sand could have been used to bring surfaces to a near polish. It would take a lot of effort to move these larger blocks around on a flat surface as well as understanding of how to do it so as to retain the 'floor's' perfect flatness by the pattern of movement, but I'll bet it could be done. That's your next experiment! Make blocks with perfect right angles and finished surfaces!.
well you could just do it with 2 blocks right? youve cut 2 blocks that both need smoothed, stack them on top of each other with sand between them and move the top one around to polish both of them at the same time. if you did it with the blocks that were going side by side into a wall im sure you could get those really tight fits too.
@@necaacen Makes a lot of sense. I've thought about that in the making of these stone walls with irregular shaped blocks that have delicate corners that fit perfectly. I think you could be correct and the people making these walls spent a lot of time and effort sliding, and even twisting, each subsequent block for a long time with sand, and with some serious mechanical effort, maybe using long wooden levers attatched to the "knobs", that's how it was done. I imagine people spending days and weeks pushing long wooden poles like oars back and forth to place each stone.
Yeah, the old documentary films about egypt are outdated. It turns out the pyramids were built before the great flood, there's why they are not documented anywhere. They also show signs of flood, even the sphinx base.
When you have an army of slaves finding people to push a saw back and forth 24/7 is pretty easy. Especially when its cut the stone or die. So get a few thousand slaves and have at er!
@@DayDrinkin Since they got about 4 inch in just a few days, and the stone is 50 inch thick. One cut would then take two persons only 2 weeks or so. Since you need a coupple of million stones for one pyramid thebcutting would then take 2 men only 75.000 years in round numbers. Man the saws.
@@Thestripper1 I was ready to call you out on the couple million bricks and then I googled it.. damn about 2.3 million of them used. I guess a far more efficient way had to have been used.
Some of the striations I've seen look like they were left by a circular saw. I wonder if a water powered saw with a spinning circular copper/bronze blade and sand abrasive would work. Something like that would be a lot more precise and faster than cutting by hand.
@Ian Duke I meant water powered as in using moving water to drive the machinery e.g. a water wheel driving the spinning blade. Not directly cutting with the water like a modern water-jet cutter. Of course there are other ways to spin saw blades, workers walking in a wheel, dropping weights, animals...
@Ian Duke Pure speculation on my part. Just trying to think of how they would have powered such a system. It's obvious they had some sort of method for powering the saw to relatively high speed just by the cut marks.
Assuming the egyptians built them which is in debate, they had irrigation pump designs so a Geared water wheel driving a circular saw with continual water and sand feed system isnt beyond the realms of possibility, plus it could be left running 24/7 to cut with minimal manpower, awesome accuracy and faster results
@@mowburnt Electricity aswell ?!? Using some kind of alchemical hydrogen pressure chambers. If there is any place i could imagine a bright white ship in the sky hovering above a pristine pyramids night sky it would have to be there- it almost seems meant.Or not.
making round things is very easy, you can take a square and put in some dirt; shake it left and right, and itll make you a circle fill that whole with charcoal, clay, or bronze and youll make yourself a circle. you can sand it to make it better. repeat the process and then youll get a better circle each time
Funny how random people on the internet suddenly become experts in history, mansonry, archeology and everyting. Then instead of writing books and science papers they write comments on youtube about how historians and archeologists know nothing :)I'm glad this video was uploaded and I'll be even gladder when it gets more publicity or at least as much as those pseudoscientific videos around here.
This is actually a replication of an earlier experiment. It's been proven that you can get similar patterns into the stone, but nearly as perfect and in uniform as the ones actual found at megalithic sites. Feel free to read the study. www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/ancient-egyptian-stone-drilling/
Funny how science facts are being ignored, and an independent investigator like myself can find paleo-anthropology theory destroying evidence in a few minuets......
Random people have eyes to see, and brains to understand the evidences found else where. So many real things academics won't show us because they themselves can't explain, are being shown by pseudoscience's researchers to the average Joe like my self, and I praise them.
Rather funny that supposedly intelligent people would consider this viable. Even cursory investigation of drill holes for example tell you from the marks left by the tools used the 'feed' rate, which is considerable, not possible with hand tools. Other cut and saw marks show similarly obvious marks that can indicate the type and speed of the tools used. Didn't these people consider any of those things? Let's not bother to discuss how large stones were actually removed from the bedrock and then transported or positioned when finished.
It is really wonderful and funny to see how desperate the politically correct archeologists are to proof their nonsense is not nonsense. Their funding and permissions are at stake!
ancient people are genius enough because they have all the time of their life achieving one thing..no facebook to updates, no bundy clock to beat..no traffic to think..all they they think of one task only, times the numder of team he has..its not surprising though
Yes all they could dream off was a pyramid with the mass off 6.000.000 Tons, that seems exiting to build guys. Lets go! Look at the Osirion "temple" granite blocks 8x8x12 feet. Weighing up to 67 Tons and there are alot of them on that site. Also look at the presision. Those things are perfekt. For one cut you would need 900 hrs of cutting,which are 22,5 40hour weeks, 5,6 Months. FOR ONE SIDE. Lets not talk about moving them. You seem like a smart guy, at least your username is trying to resemble that. So maybe if you are interested, start looking into this. There is no scientific proof that the egyptians built the pyramids. Wouldnt they engrave that in stone ? And there are alot of "temples" all over the world which cant be explained. The question is why they dont admit that they are wrong. That there are erosion marks at the sphinx. That below the pyramids where tunnels connecting them probably, there is almost nothing about this in mainstream media. Theres so much stuff you could talk about. But if you follow a theory that someone assembled roughly a centuries ago, and built upon itup to this day, you start making no sence. Egyptologists like Zahi Hawass are a proof of concept. Just take a look at this video and how the former Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs of Egypt handles that brisant situation. Also look at the security guys blocking him, they fail at the end. ua-cam.com/video/8Ziu2ygE_Wc/v-deo.html Have a nice day Greetings from Germany PS Göbekli Tepe
Apis Hathor learn how to spell if you're going to make big claims. Doesn't make you look intelligent either. Plus it's very possible that built them. We can't know what they were capable of or how great their level of craftsmanship was. They were probably Master builders. And from what I heard people think these were actually built 12 thousand years ago and there were better tools and civilization back then but then they were all wiped out by some Mass Extinction. Whether it was a flood or meteor. It's not too hard to believe that there at one point could have been greater tools at one point. Look what we've achieved in just the last 500 years and especially in the last 100. You might say that cuz we had a few thousand years of other advancements that taught us to get there. But that's way less time than 10 thousand years or more. What you're saying sounds a bit conspiracy theoryish. And the burden of proof is upon you. Where, the stuff I stated is some people's theories, a lot of it is based on actual carbon dating.
David Norris - Hello Mr Pot, you’ve obviously met Mr Black! If you’re going to criticise the English grammar or syntax of somebody, at least proof read your piece first!
Let us not forget the concept of the learning curve. The success of the copper saw in this demonstration may have been limited but we should not see it as representative of what might be achieved by an experienced crew with a saw made by someone with experience of what works most effectively. Viewing any of the many UA-cam videos of crafts people will show you what experience and talent can achieve in terms of efficiency and speed. it would be interesting to see what would happen if the experiment were conducted over a longer period with time for the skills to be learned.
your missing that this are the older pyramids and the most recent ones are made of mud bricks and are mostly gone or basicly destroyed , by your statement the most recent ones should be even better then the older ones. 4mm in 1h it's roughly 80 cm in 8 days, if they took 8 days to cut a block, let's imagine they had 50000 workers and the great pyramid has more then 2 milion blocks then each guy would need to cut 40 blocks, they are pars so its 80 blocks, that would be 53 years of NONSTOP cutting just to cut the 2 milion blocks, u have to level them and place them. Complete non sense
@@whosthevictim367 The principle of the learning curve is that if the experimental archaeologists who have no experience of getting it right, can manage 4mm in one hour, experienced Egyptians would manage a lot faster as they would be higher up the learning curve. In terms of the second point you make; What dates do you attribute to the better made pyramids, and what dates do you attribute to the less well made pyramids?
@@simonthorneycroft1339 i dont atribute ages to them, mainstream midia does. you can not date rocks mate, there is no Hieroglyph's telling how or when or who build the pyramids, you would expect to find writen texts about the construction of the pyramids but there is none. they dated the pyramids from organic matter found around them, but i can drop an apple in front of your house and that does not mean that your house it's as old as the apple. They are aligned with the constelation, and the last time that constelation was in that spot was roughly 12000 years ago. You have to understand and grasp something, If you were alive in those times, how would you tell the future generations what year was when you built those things? jesus was not born yet so you dont have the 2023 counting years, so how would you tell the future generations the year that you build them? you had to use the stars, you had to align them with the stars because it's the only thing that will " record " the time, future generation can look up and understand when you built because constelations are a cosmic clock.
@@simonthorneycroft1339 and you are trying to dodge the question, if your learning curve opinion is correct, then why do the older pyramids are the greater ones and the most recent pyramids are the worst and weaker and not well done at all? shouldnt the most recent ones be the better? the greatest? if the learning curve was a fact then Why does the older pyramids are better? dont dodge the question
Everyone keeps saying this would take too long to build the pyramids. They're not demonstrating how the pyramids were built with granite. They're showing how to cut granite for a sarcophagus. The core of the pyramids are made from limestone which is way easier to cut. Granite was only used on the outside along with a rarer form of polished limestone. Also it's just one experiment so who's to say there aren't more techniques we don't know about (that don't include alien tech)
Dennis! ..... I've been in the field for 25 years, and believe me I've done it dry and I've done it wet ......... and wet is much better!
😂
That's what she said!!!
"I've done it dry, and I've done it wet.....and I really prefer the wet." Yeah....no doubt. ;-)
Cutting time can be greatly improved with a longer saw. Anyone who knows how to use a saw properly knows that long strokes are better than shorter strokes, preferably using even the whole length of the blade, and it makes a big difference.
The great pyramid was supposed to be built by Khufu in 25 years. Think you can quarry and cut all those rocks, transport, and then lift into place (avg 2.5 tons, up to 60 ton granite blocks) in 25 years? The logistics of such a project would require a million plus people working 24/7 (farming, to feed workers, planning, manual labor, etc.
@@freddurstedgebono6029 don't understand how this relates to the original comment. But cool
@@freddurstedgebono6029 The vast majority of the blocks are softer limestone though
@@archinatic678 aaaaand you still cant cut each in 6 minutes average time
@@freddurstedgebono6029 I am not against the idea of some techniques or tech being used that we are unaware of these days but that's just disingenuous. 6 minutes average would be if you cut them all serial. I can use the same serial logical about every mudbrick in the mudbrick pyramids and it wouldn't make sense either.
Expert in ancient technology:
"We're going to move the saw back and forth."
The revelation of ancient secret high knowledge! We are not worthy to receive this gift!
@@textech4056
Only Americans
You people want a fancier more alien-flat-earth type answer. Reality is not interesting enough for you so you demand something with more mystery .
@@lancehobbs8012 Sorry even if Denisovans and Neanderthals try to demonstrate it. they would have amounts of copper and stone abrasion slick mud. indeed it will run viscous, left and right from the cut. it should be there visible and rose, also gleams red. no copper abrasion, in this case not any one, means fake.
@@johnwalker1553 is english your first language? You have lost me sorry mate
Wonder why all the people that believe in the "lost ancient/alien technology" are so emotional and defensive in their comments....Its a curious trend ive also noticed with flat earthers. And generally with anyone that believes only what they WANT to be true.
Because it is a religion. They have not formed their opinions on evidence.
But if you'll notice, no one even came close to cutting through the stone completely. Not sure what you're virtue celebrating about.
@@lonewulv13 It shows proof of concept. Do you think that the rock is suddenly going to become harder and the saw will stop working?
@@lonewulv13 first ive ever heard the term "virtue celebrating" lol.
I have been starting to find myself diving into this topic, and am surprised at how seldom any actual evidence is put up, and - especially - brought all the way to a plausible theory for the big picture. This video shows one of the few examples I have seen of somebody who tries to come up with and actually *test* an explanation, which is great. However, they only show a possible *principle* of cutting, and do not extrapolate to what the found performance implicates for the overall explanation. Here is a very quick attempt at doing that: get a *rough big picture* of their explanation. Please comment about possible miscalculations or erroneous numbers (especially such that would change the big picture dramatically).
They show a cut which is perhaps 3-5 cm, which they state is obtained "after a few days". This is not an exact measure, but let's assume they cut 3cm in two days. Let's see where that gets us, just roughly, with simple calculations.
This is what 3 people can do in their video:
3cm in two days is roughly 10 cm in a week
150 cm can thus be done in approx 15 weeks, which equals approx one side of a single block in the pyramide
All 6 sides in a block can thus be done in 6 x 15 weeks = 90 weeks = roughly 2 years
It is assumed that the pyramide was built in 20 years, which thus is a time during which these 3 people could have produced approx 10 blocks.
One of the great pyramids consists of approx 2.3 million blocks, and the 16 outer layers are done of granite. I here assume that that implies that about half of the blocks, say 1 million blocks, are in granite.
This implies that you need 100 000 groups of 3 to produce all the granite blocks, if they can work for the stated 20 year period. In other words, 300 000 slaves/workers worked for 20 years just to *produce* the granite blocks.
Apart from this production, the 1.3 miljon limestone blocks also needed to be produced, all of the blocks needed to be transported to the site, they needed to be put into their place in the pyramide, all the workers need food, they need supervisors to organize the work, etc. I have no way of estimating the required work force for the transport and building parts (are their plausible theories for how this could even have been done?) but I would estimate that at least around 1 million people needed to be working exclusively with this project for 20 years. Did one million people even live in Egypt at the time? How many did live there then, and how large portion of the population could conceivable work on this construction? Anyone who knows? If that number is less than 1 million, the explanation in this videos falls short, and other explanations are needed.
On a final comment, I do think that other issues with current official explanations are perhaps even greater, such as the crazy precision by which the cutting was done (see e.g. videos by Bright Insight or Brian Forster from not only Egypt but from all over the world). You still today can often not get in a razor blade between adjacent stones, which means that a mm precision and absolutely straight-line cutting was necessary. Their video does not demonstrate (or even concern itself) anything with this issue.
All in all, I think that a plausible big picture is far from being present via this video. I personally do think that other not yet assumed ancient technologies is a more plausible explanation, but am open to wherever the evidence leads us.
The numbers in my calculations come from www.cheops-pyramide.ch/pyramid-building.html which in turn has references to actual books
Iron was found in the pyramid of Khufu by J.R Hill in 1837, just throwing that out there.
In regards to the saw, they showcased in the video, they could have easily have gotten the teeth wrong. I know from experience, a incorrect teeth set can make a job impossible even for something as soft as wood. You can look up modern masonry hand saws and see the difference in how the teeth are set, a vast chasm of time between now and then, but something curious to think about.
I often wonder if the Egyptians understood mechanical advantage, with a simple pulley or block and tackle you can move a monstrous amount of weight with very few people... maybe a lot less people and labor was required.
As for the precision, at least for a saw, it is possible to create wooden jigs to allow you to cut incredibly straight lines with hand tools.
I guess i am of the opinion they were not hand sawing blocks and muscling them out of there but using pulleys, saw mills, jigs , and scaffolding etc.... Without some sort of manufacturing works in place there is no way they got it done, not with a mass of unskilled labor like a lot of people claim. I think they were a lot more advanced in logistics and manufacturing than we give them credit. Hell even with steel and power tools you are not getting anything done with out great organisation, logistics and manufacturing.
@@anyport8061 They were masters of logistics that is for sure.
The pyramids are not made out of blocks they are sculptures, carved from 3 hills of sandstone. The granite blocks are not granite blocks but are in fact sheets of granite.
Gunnar Cedersund yeah the douchebag said 3-5cm in a few days but he didn’t specify how many hours they worked on it. In the beginning of the video, the scientist said 4mm an hour. In 12 hours that’s almost 5cm. You can then easily cut 5 cm a day with 2 people.
Using your calculation with 5cm a day (which could have been higher with better technics and more energy) 2 workers could carve 20 blocks in 20 years if I am correct.
Still that’s a lot of people you need to build the mass structures found in Egypt, but with efficient work technics, good organization (with work shifts, extended working hours of the time), the technics displayed in this video makes sense. Of course I’m open for other explanations
@@anyport8061 Maybe iron was found in 1837 but that doesn't prove the iron was ancient, it could have been put in there in 1836, i bet if it was tested it would prove it wasn't ancient. Why would they bring roughly 6 million (for the 3 pyramids) blocks from 500kms away when the Giza plateau is a plateau of sandstone ? If we are to believe the b/s stories then the so-called advanced civilisation must have been the dumbest group of people ever. There were standing on sandstone and in front of them were three hills of sandstone. As long as people want to believe in fantasy theories they'll never realize the truth and the truth is staring everybody in the face. The Sphinx is carved (no-one disputes that) so why not apply the same principal to the pyramids.
I have worked stone for 43 years and I agree, wet is much better and it cuts a lot faster
4mm in 1h it's roughly 80 cm in 8 days, if they took 8 days to cut a block, let's imagine they had 50000 workers and the great pyramid has more then 2 milion blocks then each guy would need to cut 40 blocks, they are pars so its 80 blocks, that would be 53 years of NONSTOP cutting just to cut the 2 milion blocks, u have to level them and place them. Complete non sense
@@whosthevictim367 these are amateurs doing an experiment. Not professional teams of Egyptian workers with generations of experience.
Only the outer blocks and the inner chambers are cut blocks the filling are rough cut rubble you can see it in the pictures of the pyramids.
20 years and 20,000 to 30,000 men is what is believed to be the numbers.
Strange how they did not know this basic knowledge, they formed an opinion that was wrong and did not admit it
@@pranays mate, the entire pyramid is made of Cut blocks, Leveled blocks and each one around 1 to 3 tons, Kings chamber blocks are 500 tons and are from 500km away, the need to have cut those 500 blocks, Level them, and take them from the quarry 500km away and they didnt even used the wheel, try to scratch a window glass or any glass with your nails, go on ill wait, done it? u cant right? that's because the glass is harder then your nails, you cant scratch things with a softer thing, now imagine cuting those blocks that are lvl 6 to 8 in the mohs scale with copper lvl 3, It does not work like that, you guys type like you know anything but your only speculating on things with 0 knowledge on what you are speculating about
@@whosthevictim367 well they use wet send as the cutting agent. The copper is moving them around. Copper is soft metal and somehow works better than iron which is harder. There is some science behind it though. In India they use both chisels for cutting stone. They use it different times. It seems to me that copper is used with sand.
So it wasn’t aliens? It just comes down to good old patience and hard work?
Yes. lot's and lot's of hard work of thousands workers.
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge."
I dont get it.
@@yonker1219 I get it, but not in the context of this video ;) It sounds to me like the OP thinks the mainstream is blinded by the illusion of knowledge and instead of testing rational hypotheses they should put more time into search for Atlantis and lost civilization who built the pyramids and evaporated without a trace ;)
@@pavel9652 now you make it even more confusing
You're talking about Hancock the nazi clown right?
If the archeologists were REALLY looking for truth they would have admitted the real stone worker was right, WATER WORKS BETTER
They are just concerned with polishing their EGOS
@@BarefootViking and this disproves that granite can be cut by copper age technology, how?
They do except after he proves it.
That's called science low IQ clown.
The use his numbers for the final calculation.
Did you even watch the video before commenting?
@@BarefootViking nice projection
@@censorduck you are right it doesn't disprove the video at all.
they are just low IQ rascists making fake argument without watching the video first.
So it must be white ubermench from Atlantis or mars or which ever nazi Thule society Mythology they believe today
3:52 imagine someone said that without context
Your ma said it to me last night.
I'm joking! Sorry, not your ma really! It was begging for a 'ma' joke, is all! Peace! ✌️😎
@@5amH45lam Don't be silly, you couldn't make anyone's ma wet.
His intrusive thoughts won
Wow it worked and only took days to make those cuts. I am surprised we don't see the egyptians still working to complete the pyramids. lol
denver mason :
Your argument is unbelievably STUPID!!! That's like saying, "Because I can't run a marathon, nobody else can". The people in this demonstration don't do this type of cutting for a living. They're not trained, and they don't have the muscles to do this type of work. In ancient Egypt they would have been very skilled. And, it's quite possible they would have worked in teams. When one set of people were tired, a fresh set would replace them.
What argument is STUPID!!!?
kab kab theyre not trained? One studies these techniques for a living and the other says hes been using water with sand for 25 years.... they know more than the egyptians in general. Nevertheless, the point still stands:
They were either around for a lot longer than people thought (and so had time to do this),
They were more advanced than we think,
They had a much larger population (so more work force to build these monuments),
Aliens.
There are other hypothesis, but in the current acknowledged time frame they had to build everything, and their population size, they would not have been able to do it. The exact man hours required to build the pyramids with these methods (excluding lifting the stones) has been calculated, and it exceeds the egyptians "life time". This is a big question nowadays, since new methods for the construction of these monuments are suggested every year, archeologists take into account how long it would take considering the methods employed.
Someone claim authority because they do something for a living is not necessarily a good thing. The question as to whether the truth is paramount rather than the making of the living must be answered and truthfully it has consistently been shown the answer is money first.
denver mason wth are you talking about???
I am sure that they had a much more efficient way of using those tools. Also moving those blocks. When you are in business for years and traditions are passed on for generations you develop some shortcuts and tricks to get things done faster especially when you have plenty of money and resources.
By the way they use the similar system in India even today when power tools are available. I saw cutting slabs with chisels and polish the edges with wet sand in a wooden tranch moving them back and front. They get very nice and straight edge.
This. If these displayed this technique to the ancient Egyptian laborers and engineers thousands of years ago they would concur with the principle but shake their head on the method.
@@insanetrickster Like the one guy said, "By the time we finished the 10th sarcophagus, we'd know the answer" I'm amazed how the Egyptians managed to do it at all!
The big pyramid ( just 1) has 2.3m blocks. Each block has 6 cuts. The granite came feom aswan, hundreds of km away.
All they did was make over 13.2 million cuts, some with 6 foot saws through granite( which have cut marks shown here over 1 mm per revolution (a ton of pressure?)), with laser precision, transport them, lift into place perfectly or it would easily be off, design the rooms halls and passages so they can take thousands of tonnes on top, make it align north, center of all land mass, and cap it with gold. Easy.
with slaves lol
Who said anything about easy? People weren't nearly so lazy as most are now even a few decades ago, let alone back then, lols.
they werent cutting stones for fun, they were mostly slaves doing the work. lazy or not they had to do it regardless
there is no proof of slaves being used in the pyramids, this is a masterwork, not something that a slave could do just because they have physical strength (and not that much btw)
actually, there is no proof AT ALL of the building of the pyramids being done by the egyptians, no records of it being done, no description of the construction, and we're talking about the egyptians, people who used their writting system to write a lot of things, and they wouldn't do a single refference to it anywhere? even the sphinx has one, about it's restoration, so, why the fucking pyramids don't have anything?
The pyramids are not made of granite. Just limestone. I ve been to egypt recently and while the pyramids are very impressive... The black granite tumbs are super impressive.. They are flush cut and super straight. The whals inside the pyramids are also impressive but you can actually see marks of chisel. To be honest, nothing in egypt really looks the same, different techniques, different stones... Different ages.
While I "liked" this video because several people went to a lot of trouble to prove that copper and sand would indeed cut granite - it does NOT prove that it was how the ancient Egyptians did it. There's LOTS of granite work that required chisels - and it was experimentally proven that it couldn't be made from bronze or copper. The QUANTITY and MAGNITUDE of ancient Egyptian cut stone is staggering - they couldn't work several days to gain a blade's width through a block. Has anyone tested a sample of the soil from a stone workshop? Is there a spectrographic spike in the copper region to prove all that copper that was supposedly used? Or is the spike in the iron region? For some reason, iron artifacts are... dismissed. The precision cuts of ancient Egyptian stones show an absolute flatness that requires a metal frame for the gang saw - it wasn't always hand held, as in this demo. The quantity of work done and the scale shows that they took this basic principle and mechanized it somehow = possibly with water power and the same water gravity-fed over the cuts and sand fed into the cuts with hoppers. The problem with Academia is that they want to look down on people in the past. They think that people only evolved upwards in a single slow learning curve. Academia can't consider the possibility that the Ancients learned something that was lost - something that our scientists have yet to discover.
Spot on !!
Why isn't this the top comment?
I believe that diamond tip tools were used for chiseling
@@SF-li9kh Uhm.. diamond tipped chisels? No.. Diamond is hard, but very brittle. It can withstand lots and lots of pressure, and for
grinding it is excellent. But for chisels intended for stone, it would be a waste.
Dude! They had TWO THOUSAND YEARS to build all of Ancient Egypt.
Also... you can have more than one drill team (etc) working at the same time.
Academia are very passionate about the people of the past. If you actually READ archeology you would know this.
"There's LOTS of granite work that required chisels - and it was experimentally proven that it couldn't be made from bronze or copper."
No problem. A good, river-polished round stone is at least as hard as the material it is working on and is the right rounded shape to handle many impacts.
@@SF-li9kh One or two hits and the diamond is in pieces. Modern hard metal tools use silicon carbide or tungsten carbide powder cemented with a metal that is soft but tough and ductile like cobalt. The cobalt wears away, exposing only the hard grains of carbide to the impact. The small carbide crystals do not need to flex and bend, because they cobalt cementing it toghether can do this; you get amazing wear resistance.
This is absolutely not necessary. Just some round, crack free river stones of a material at least as good as the stone you are working will slowly and steadily wear away at the rock.
a very good proof that this was not the way they did it
Thank you for that great comment, but I'm still uncertain what to rate this video.
scientists should not be afraid to show failed experiments because we can learn from failures as well
I think this does prove that abrasive cutting is the way they did it. Maybe not exactly as in this video. I imagine a complex wodden frame holding the saw perfectly level.
It is not at all hard to believe because today, massive, MASSIVE granite rocks are cut easily and very smoothly using a diamond wire saw that uses abrasive sawing as its working principle.
i don't know.. I think this is quite convincing if you think of the number of workers they would have had at their disposal
I don't know how you came to this conclusion?
4mm an hour! 😂😂 Best troll ever
with 100,000 slaves and 20 years they had more than enough time. I'm sure they perfected their primitive techniques doing it all day everyday also.
@@cliffbrowning84 i heard it was 500 000 slaves you moron
I heard it was no slaves. it was workers. The only problem is according to papyrus Westcar Khufu was short of funds. No Problem if Mark Lehner comes to Egypt, he was looking for Atlantis and had no money too. just at this epic moment, the Edgar Cayce Foundation was helping him out.
I think it’s completely impracticle and it’s already been explained that if they built the pyramids in 20 years they would have had to cut, move and place a block in position every 2 and a half minutes which gets harder and harder the higher they get. Also cutting the blocks isn’t half as crazy as being able to encode pi, phi and the fibanacci sequence in to the structure itself also the fact that it’s actually eight sided as the face dents inwards and on the solstice you see the face split in half one side in light and one in shade to mark the solstice. Also it has the dimensions of our planet encoded in its structure too so whoever built it knew the earth was round and were able to measure its size. I think also when you look at the walls of sacsyhuaman in Peru as well it’s very clear that they were obviously much smarter and more well equipped to construct such structures
Also it points directly to true north and is place in the center of the earth
Idiots in the comments: *granite is only a tiny portion of the great pyramids* the *vast majority* is *soft limestone* . This is an AMAZING video that answers a LOT of questions!!
That "tiny" portions were Huge rocks used for the ceiling and walls of the King's Chamber..
>achieves this small impact in a FEW days
> estimates say the stones had to be cut at a hourly rate
???
Just say 'We DONT KNOW" but good proof of showing this isnt how it was done.
I agree. They seem to think they have reached some sort of conclusion that this was the method used. Let's see them make a 100 ton box out of andesite with the same tools.
Pyramids are not made out of granite.
@@tiefensucht
....the 100 ton boxes inside the Serapeum are though.
Fantastic! Now let's see them do 100 blocks of rose granite weighing 20 tons each and 100 cores clean through some of those blocks. That'll show up those ancient tech skeptics! Come on, do it for real. Oh, and move them the same distance with no modern tech at all. It was easy, right? Do it people! Make those skeptics look like fools. But you have to finish it, like a real job, not a teeny sample. Then compare the results under a microscope to the ancient work, and NOW we're talking science.
Yeah and do one of those granite and basalt Serapuem boxes with a lid, both cut out of 200 ton solid blocks, with sides so smooth that one can see a reflection in it.
Highfive!
Karen P exactly thank you
@@G0rdonFr33man And while you're at it, do it in the middle of the fookin desert.
Also using tools that have actually been found 👍
And they boiled water by rubbing crickets together whilst praying to Osiris, and wiped their asses with magnetic resonance.
Genius!
Best idea all day!
@@kaptkrunchfpv This comment wins
I knew I would find an answer that makes me laugh. HA!
Something tells me Graham Hancock has never seen this video...
Please, explain how this method could be used to cut the interior of an andesite piece weighing over 100 tons to perfect angular accuracy. Something tells me you take things at face value without really thinking.
@@McShag420 Give me some time to think about that one. But while I'm at it, I got a simple math question for you to solve:
On one hand you have the opinion of hundreds of professional scientists with decades and centuries of archaeological research at their backs and new exciting discoveries being made every year (including a 4,500 year old papyrus ledger written by someone who actually WORKED on the Great Pyramids)
And on the other hand, you have the opinion of some old British guy who smokes a lot of weed.
Which do you suppose is more credible?
Fuck.
Oh, by the way, I've had some time to think about your query and I have an answer for you:
Q: How could this method be used to cut the interior of an andesite piece weight over 100 tons to [near] perfect accuracy?
A: Really, really slowly.
Is the video suggesting those monuments were not made by aliens, or with super advanced lasers? Ancient Egypt's stonemasons were in reality highly trained professionals that knew what they were doing?
Inconceivable!
impossible! we all know people from that time were basically unable to think!
I guess Dennis has to retract his title of expert in Egyptology. Respect to the actual stone worker
In order to complete the work the great Pyramid in has 2.3 million blocks averaging 2.5 tons each. Over a 40 year. They would have to place 55000 Stones a year. From quarry, transport, Cutting, shaping, placing. The proposed idea that it's for a tomb becomes absurd and when you consider the man power. The numbers require a larger population than currently estimated for the time assuming everyone was working on it.
Assuming 10 thousand workers (which is several times fewer than there was, but let's be pessimistic), that's 5 stones a year for each worker. Astronomical!
@@petros_adamopoulos 5 stones a year using bronze chisels... good luck on that. You can't employ the stonecutting techniques the Scottish use with bronze chisels. You know what physically happens? You go through bronze chisels and the stones absorb the shock. Moh's Hardness scale would not be your friend.
4mm an hour (demonstrated in video) , average dimensions are 127 x 127 x 71cm (6 sides) that's 1625 hours to complete one stone without any polishing work or fitting, thats 162.5 10 hour work days. Thats 2.2 stones a year per worker if they can manage the feat of doing it by themselves.
Additionally the mainstream claim is 23 years as Khufu reigned from 2551 to 2528 BCE. So the time has been cut in several ways. The technology as explained for cutting the stone is wrong.
@@samueldavila2156 people were never that stupid. If they regarded their pharao godly then surely he would have found a better way to do it. We simply "explain" everything with religious zealotry when we fail to have another logical explanation. Somehow people back then seem to only knew graves and temples and never built anything else or what ? Also for a grave the pyramid lacks decoration and wallpainting. Every other pharao grave has hieroglyphs all over and if it wasnt robbed alot of treasury as well. The great pyramid has none of both. Doesnt add up.
“We’re going to use a saw in a.....saw-like fashion”
😂😂
nonsense... you can cut granite with wet sand abrasion but you can not cut it precisely enough to create sharp angles and perfectly fitting (down to millimeter) mirrored pieces (which is also visible on what they cut in the video).
For even more laughs, let's see them try to recreate the pristine, perfectly joined, smooth and multi-angular megalithic stones in Peru (ascribed to the Inca but clearly predating them and obviously distinct from their style of construction).
View from the start for comparison, but what I'm talking about appears at 4:30: ua-cam.com/video/h4crQMt8Cbs/v-deo.html
Lamebubblesflysohigh ... They were explaining cutting, Polishing is something else.. and yes some of those methods of planing leave striations too.
Hilarious. So, start of video, they show us copper chisels don’t do anything. So we move to a saw. They make sure to tell us that a saw alone also won’t do anything and we need an abrasive like sand, which can cut granite. But we need to chip a groove first. But they already established the chisel doesn’t work, so how do they chip this groove? Well we don’t know because they completely skipped that, and they don’t even show the groove they’re pouring into. After three days they get about 2 inches worth of a cut. I’d like to see a stone cut all the way through. The Egyptians didn’t stop after a few inches. They say that the cut marks are just like the ones on the original artifact but I guess we’re supposed to take their word for it as they only show a quick shot from a distance. Extremely hard to see anything.
Onto the tube drill. They show a perfectly round circle already cut into the granite so as to help get the cutting process started. But they don’t show how this was accomplished? Whatever, they get on to drilling based on hieroglyphs depicting this method was used for cutting…. Wood. Sure I guess. Ok now time to pop out the core. Wonder if they tried copper chisels before resorting to harder metal ones at the end. Because those certainly weren’t copper.
In all these documentaries, the end up resorting to modern technology at some point. This was thousands of years ago. We should have no trouble replicating this stuff if we know how they did it. In all these documentaries, we struggle mightily to get results.
"I've done it dry and I've done it wet and believe me, it's much better wet!" ...chuckle
When you have a Pharoah telling you he wants smooth blocks, you'll make them, even if it takes you 20 years.
The Egyptian hijacked these structures..they were clearly not burial tombs that's ridiculous..this was an older civilization that was wiped out and the Egyptian inherited the structures and reshape the sphynx which was either a lion or a dog but more likely a lion in my opinion
um yes
@LiveOakOkie
Same with machu pichu, ballbeck, Petra, and probably Angkor watt. Same people that built Atlantis in Mauritania
@@SgtJoeSmith Are you aware that there is no evidence of this supposed civilization you are talking about, right?
@@MrAchile13 you mean other than these structures they built around the world and skeletons dating 40,000 years ago right?
@@SgtJoeSmith
1) to say that the pyramids exist because of a highly advanced civilization and that a highly advanced civilization is proven by the existence of the pyramids is a cyclical argument and therefore not valid
2) the existence of human bones does not prove the existence of a highly advanced civilization
What's the point?
Look at the giant unfinished obelisk. It's practically finished and not even out of the ground. You think they cut that with a 5 foot saw? How did they cut off the top and underneath? On each side there is barely enough room for a person to walk around, and you want us to believe they either used a primitive saw of what length or round stones, lol. All the obelisks are perfectly square on all sides . Again, the unfinished obelisk is still in the ground and was cut right there in place. It is basically square from top to bottom, not to mention the perfect taper on all sides from top to bottom. Look at the finished ones. Micro precision of all sides from top to bottom. You can't even cut a small piece of wood on a table saw without a fence and joiner. Anyone can make a saw cut in granite. Let's see you finish one square block with micro precision on all sides and then cut out the middle and create a sarcophagus with microprecision.
That giant obelisk weights 1000 ton. We need a large special advanced ''truck'' to be able to carry a 400 ton stone. It just makes no sense.
Golden Darkness070 We have cut and transported stones for thousands of years it is nothing new. The largest stone known to be moved by man was done so fairly recently in the late 1700s it weighed 1500 tonne the thunderstone. Humans are awesome. Peace!
+MrSoothingjazz
Unfinished obelisk was made not by cutting but by pounding of stone tools. It's slow but it works.
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You need to look at log hewing if you think you can't cut wood without modern engineered kit. Europeans have been hewing trees into beams with nothing but some strings and a hatchet. You either a) have no legitimate experience with tradition wood working and the results possible with simple tools and time; thus trying to imply inordinate difficulty to ratify your claims about stonework becomes irrelevant. Or you have experience with traditional wood working and the possible results, but you are intentionally lying about them to ratify your claims about stonework. In other words, you're either ignorant or a liar. Either way, you expose your lack of credibility to speak about the matter, and are not to be taken seriously.
One have to think like they must have thought.
They became masters not only of fire, wood and rock cutting, sculpting, polishing and transporting rocks and igneous masterpieces.
Only a few of us still think they used only bronze chisels wood malets alone without diamond and steel tips.
It is a fact they used iron clips or anchors to hold rocks together thus they have steel in smaller quantities.
They also knew water masterfully, steel, diamonds etc and their properties. One good for this and not good for that empirically.
The arcs left on some unfinished cut rocks tell us that they knew the wheel and from records huge wheels at that, indisputably small wheels too.
They sure used diamonds ( hardest rock), sand and steel.
They also knew how to drill holes in rocks and for sure made tools with harder metals in smaller quantities.
Sure they used these on the tip of their cutting tools.
They also knew gold and other metals and knew their qualities.
Only some still think that because wood tools that rot, diamonds, gold and precious tools were (stolen for sure) not found that they were not used.
They made things with precise measurements because they were great observers of nature and space.
You know the new kingdom was iron age right? Egypt lasted from stone age through the iron age.
Also flint and other stones can be used to chisel stone. Like cuts like.
The Great Pyramid is made of about 2 300 000 stone blocks. And it was built in around 20 years (according to historical sources). So the average time of cutting, polishing and transporting a single stone block = 20 years / 2300000 = 20 x 365 x 24 x 60 / 2300000 minutes = 4.57 minutes.
And if I'm not mistaken, a guy from the video said that his method guarantees a cutting speed of 4mm / hour.
So clearly the Ancients were using far more efficient stone cutting methods. Not to mention the precision they achieved.
Almost blocks of Pyramids are made of Limestone not granit?! Wat due you mean?
And that 20 years is only another theory.
many of the stones that were on the outside of the pyramid and have now fallen of are granite, and the ones inside the pyramids making the halls are granite.
but even with limestone it could not be done using this method. not even in a 100 years.
They used water towers and carbide sand pressure in a water jet...copper plumbing
nah... they didn't.
Just admit it, we actually don’t know how the ancient Egyptians did it.
I disagree. I don’t recall seeing this saw in the archives.
How about the larger blocks? How do you explain the the circular saw marks?
To simplified. Is he using copper or bronze? More research needs to be done regardless.
Not to mention .... did he use the real tools to do these examples?
Nice how the three white dudes watch the brown dudes do the work
@bigAssGooseberrydich agree w ur comment lmao
OK. They used copper saws, water and sand to make these precision cuts, like the box/sarcophagus at 0:32 So, please tell me how they carved the inside of the box with just as much precision. Tell me how well that saw worked on the inside of the box. This is the question that nobody will answer. "Oh they used copper saws or string saws to carved/cut these boxes." But they never tell you what they used to carve the inside.
The majority of the interior of the Stone boxes were hollowed out by cross sectional tube drilling,we know this as there are still tube drill marks present. the interior would have been shaped using a variety of bronze alloy chisels and then rubbing stones along with different grades of Aggregate for polishing.
What we don't know is exactly what the tube drill was made of and the aggregate employed eg Quartz, Emery or even diamond. We also can't be sure how the shaft was powered, we know they didn't use combustion engines or any power tools which only leaves man power, weights, pulleys, ropes, water or animals
Not the ones I have seen. They are as smooth as the outside.
@@tomburton1037 Surely you have studied the sarcophagus in the kings chamber at Giza.Tool marks on the inside of the granite Sarcophagus in the King's Chamber indicate that when the granite was hollowed out, preliminary roughing cuts were made by drilling holes into the granite around the area which was to be removed. These drill holes were made with tube-drills, which left a central core that had to be knocked away after the hole had been cut. After all the holes had been drilled, and all the cores removed, the Sarcophagus was then handworked to its desired dimension. The machinists on this particular piece of granite once again let their tools get the better of them, and the resulting errors are still to be found on the inside of the coffer in the King's Chamber:
Didn't see that one but I was fortunate to see the boxes at the Serapeum of Saqqara. The ones you could actually look into were as smooth and precision as the outside.
Their whole demo falls flat against the FACTS. Archaeologists seem to be resistant or SCARED of FACTS. First of all they don't show you core marks on their tiny core. Its because their method makes horizontal marks, which are NOT on the real cores. Secondly the original cores show a fantastic feed rate that we can't match in our times. Thirdly, no copper TUBES have ever been found in Egypt. If you ever do art jewelry work, making tubing is a very difficult process. It took these guys DAYS to cut a really small length core. The original cores were cut in minutes. Fourthly, the amount of WEIGHT required using their method would grind the copper tube into dust, but more likely it would collapse as its been estimated to take a ten ton weight would have to have been used. This is PSEUDO SCIENCE they are using. Its the same kind of debunking Smithsonian used to "prove" the Mitchell Hedges crystal skull was made in modern time. Except they hired a Chinese quartz carver who used MODERN DIAMOND TOOLS, to create a completely fake crystal skull that had NONE of the documented features, such as the INTERNAL PRISM and perfect balance points on either side of the jaw. They also neglected to note that the ONLY "tool marks" on the skull were from a single tiny chip that Hewlett Packard PUT there to get a sample for analyses. Why are archaeologist so terrified of the TRUTH? That all over our planet there are examples of high technology in stone cutting and MOVING. We can't reproduce any of what exists in just about every continent on planet Earth. We KNOW that archaeologist who find examples of Humanity existing in time periods that aren't in their books, these guys are ostracized, fired, lose their livelihoods if they speak out, because they simply report factual evidence that their priesthood tells us can't exist. Prideful ignorance? Probably.
I'm not convinced yet. At the rate they were going, it would take years to cut some of those massive granite stones that weigh into the tons. Enjoyed the video thou.
They were cut to a small depth to the shape of a block and then wedges were tapped into the cut groove, water was poured over tge wedges to which they expanded and split the stone into its scribed cut shape. The wedges split the stone.
@@davidcorbett1713 20yrs just to buy the granite, then add to that the limestone, construction and planning - possible but would take generations (even though no good explanation is given how they placed all the bricks
They’re four guys trying something out as a test for a proof of concept. Take a family line of craftsman, give them a few generations to optimize their tools and techniques, and you’d have a much better output than what we see here using the same technique.
Have a look at what is used to cut and polish diamonds. Copper discs. Ask any aircraft maintenance engineer what happens when a soft metal rubs against a hard metal for any length of time. The soft metal cuts into the hard metal. Why? Because bits of grit get embedded in the soft metal, not the hard metal, and the grit cuts the hard metal. Diamonds are not cut by copper, but by diamond dust embedded into the copper. Sand is a poor choice for cutting granite. Crushed sapphire or ruby would work much better. The ancient Chinese used crushed sapphire to cut jade, also a very hard stone. They even used string with crushed sapphire to cut jade!!
Agreed. this video never said that the ancients did it with these exact tools. it just shows that we haven't considered all the ways primitive people could have done something, the weight of the tube/saw, its shape at the cutting end/edge, the type of grit they use, the speed which they could do it, etc, etc would effect the finished look.
I would really like some reports on analysis of the sand below ground that got covered up over the years to see if there is an overabundance of materials that might indicate the grit or tools used as the particles fell off the tools and stones. High copper particles would indicate copper tools and unaturally high particles of large quartz might indicate both sawing and quartz grit, etc, etc..
Wouldn't we find evidence of a harder substance within these monuments, embedded in the surfaces of the cuts?
This guy an expert??
I've seen it all
Yes he is a Showmaster, running a Sitcom.
Have you ever seen a Pharaoh eat his own head? No? Well then you haven't seen everything.
Excellent proof of concept.
With time and testing, the lubrication, abrasive type and grade, copper/bronze composition, saw shape, saw loading, etc. could all be perfected, and so vastly improving the performance.
As with all technology, we see orders of magnitude improvement from initial concept to final industrial use.
alright now go do MILLIONS of perfectly cut stones. its literally imposible on a time scale. slaves eh? rotating continental shifts of just straight up cutting stones for their whole life? then stacking the stones in perfect order. it answers one aspect of a million problem question
@@sxyqt3.14
Nope.
Still not aliens.
This is only two people so of course it would take forever, but have you ever considered that the ancient civilisations were built by thousands of people together...
I laughed soo hard.. when he said.. we achived this in just a few days... just admit we have no clue how they did it...in stead of making a fool out of yourselves!
bigbluntt
Hi:
I begin my response by saying:
"I am a human being. I cannot run a marathon therefore no human can run, or ever has ran a marathon."
Obviously the above statement is false. One reason why it is false is because it overlooks "skill". Just like I'm not skilled in running a marathon, the people in the video are not skilled in cutting stones this way. Not even Roger Baker who is a stonemason cuts stones this way in his professional life. As a result, his muscles are not developed, nor his techniques refined to do the work this way.
Also, if only three people worked on the cut, I might agree with you. Thousands of people worked on the pyramid and as one group of people got tired of cutting, simply replace them with a fresh group. Plus, granite stones in the pyramid represents less than 1.6 % of the amount of the stone blocks in Khufu's pyramid by mass. They're simply not that many to cut and they had a couple of years to do it.
I have to agree the video is poorly documented, but I guess it's purpose was to demonstrate the basic technique. At the beginning of the video Dennis Stocks does mention cut rates of 4 millimeter per hour were obtainable, but he doesn't state how that was determined.
@@catman8965 Clear and well articulated. Nice!
MrAchile13
Thanks. I may not know how Egyptians did things in the past, but there is one thing I'm sure of, "They were experts with sand".
Best Wishes
I still think they were way more advanced than we thought. To achieve such perfection and precision is beyond these methods. Just my 2 cents.
That is possible, I would like to think so myself... but thats is still no reason why other people need on these ideas.
Or it's possible that while technologically not advanced, they were very clever and tenacious.
It's beyond your comprehension because you don't know the meaning of craft.
first show us how they made that copper tube
The copper tube was made into a granite hole, witch was also made from a copper tube, and so on .....
Once they have done that,
They should cut 2.3 million stones.
Then they should invent a time machine and go back to 4500BC. Then become a pharaoh.
Then hire 40000 workers.
Then actually build a pyramid.
Then record a video and travel back to 2018 AD.
Then come over to your house.
Then show you the video.
When you claim the video is doctored, take you also back to 4500 BC.
Then build another frikkin pyramid to prove it to you.
All these tasks have to be done to satisfy you.
How about you try to cast a copper tube using primitive methods yourself and then we'll decide if that was NOT the case.
Until then copper tube drilling is the way they did it
@@SF-li9kh The burden of proof ays not with us bu with Egyptology, which provided no answer, but bullshit stories no one buys. When Egyptologists like Vyse were blowing up stuff in egypt with dynamite and pushing a colonialist narrative, I didn't see you holding a candle. Any true person of science sees the Egyptology for what it is - a pseudo-science like astrology...
@@G0rdonFr33man Have you seen the bronze statues? A tube would have been simple to cast.
@@MrRecklessryan Copper doesn't cut granite, not remotely close.
Love the steel chisels @4:58
You can also use copper, stone or timber shims aswell. Why do you shadow ban anyone who even mentions these techniques in your comments section, these methods have well and truly been demonstrated.
You censor your channel to keep the echoe chamber alive, it's very misleading.
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Low IQ comment
The test is the saw not the chisel.
They could have used a jig to do the same thing.
You rascist Conman
Hey look, proof that you have watched the videos that completely debunk your claims, yet you continue to push them.
Knocking that core out could be done with any kind of wedge. Even jamming another piece of rock in there would work. If you need to reach that hard to find something to criticize in this video, it must be pretty damning. What's next, are you going to call them out for using a plastic bottle to pour the water?
@Scoobi Hu Are you saying it is impossible to wedge an already cut stone core without steel?
Are you really that stupid, or are you just trolling me?
I see or hear no one who comments that people who have never done a particular kind of thing can learn ALL KINDS of tricks as they start doing something new.
So, a guy who just starts to grind granite, in a few hours, will have several NEW tricks he can use that he didn't know about when he started.
And the next day, he already has a headstart, using what it took him hours to learn the first day.
Day after day of this, for a couple decades, and you wind up with pyramids that people thousands of years later look at and scratch their heads.
I highly doubt the pyramids were I learnt as you go process these things have been planned precisely from the beginning
You are being anachronistic. The Egyptians had a lot of TIME and the labor force was very cheap. It took centuries to build something. You judge with modern eyes, of a society where time is precious. For the ancients, time did not matter - it was cyclical or mythical before Herodotus (there was no HISTORY before the Greeks).
Thanks for the video. I cut and carve limestone blocks in my work making window sills, lintols and carvings etc but these cutting techniques take hours, days and weeks to carve and shape but the ancient Egyptains had the time and man power to do this work in the limestone quarries but the guestimated time of 20 years for the Great pyramids build time using the bronze chisels, saws and the bow/string methods would have taken a lot longer to have done the work.
Now look at the Rose granite block work and those same mentioned bronze tools would have taken even longer to have got the accurate cuts that were achieved for the statues and perfectly squared off tomb blocks with the lids.
Peter Gambier
stated: _"the guestimated time of 20 years for the Great pyramids build time using the bronze chisels, saws and the bow/string methods would have taken a lot longer to have done the work."_
You cannot possibly validate such a claim unless you knew all the exact techniques and the total number of men that were working on it.
zdcyclops1 I'm not sure why everyone always jumps to "aliens did it". Many people think humans built them, just with much more advanced technology. Meaning, we are not the smartest civilization to ever have existed.
And yet this advanced civilization vanished without a single trace of their life or tools?
Only recently actual proofs of the theories for stone henge and easter islands have been successfully demonstrated, putting an end to their magical conspiracy theories. I hope with our lifetime the pyramids will be solved with proof.
@@SF-li9khAgain you are full of shit. Nothing at Stone Henge has been proven. Hughe sarsen stones that are 7/10 on Mohs scale were supposedly cut by a bronze age culture. Hardness of copper and bronze is 3/10 on the same scale. Same with Easter island blocks. You just don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I'd be embarrassed to be you.
@@G0rdonFr33man Do you not understand what abrasive sawing is? The copper is not doing the cutting.
Quartz, corundum, emery or even diamond, these are all abrasives which are used in conjunction with bronze or copper saws or drills and have been used for thousands of years.
The chinese favored bronze wire abrasive saws and emery for their jade work. Peace!
The title should be, “failed granite cutting, and drilling”
No one knows how it was done. No one. They have no idea. If the Egyptians actually used this method to cut the stones, they’d still be there. Doesn’t explain the Rameses statue, or the pyramids. This just proves we don’t know shit.
This video does prove that you only need copper and sand to cut granite. Also the pyramids were made of limestone, less than 1% was made of granite.
Actually, this video shows how to use simple, fairly obvious copper tools to create the cuts you see in ancient egypt. If you can't imagine these simple processes being honed and perfected over years to more efficient than they show in this first attempt, you lack imagination. Not every block's face in the pyramids was saw cut, some are split and faced with chisels.
Matthew Chin this process is retarded. The Egyptians never did or would have used it. Too slow. They were way more efficient and clever. Point is, no one knows. No one will know how they did it. You know why? Because they didn’t. The pyramids and the Sphinx are waaaaaaayyyy older than the Egyptian civilization. Funny how they recorded everything they did, and yet no inscriptions on the Sphinx or pyramids, and no scrolls or texts mentioning it or them at all...
Seti the first had to uncover the Sphinx in order to remodel it. You’re kidding yourself if you credit the Egyptians for their construction. There’s no eveidence for that at all.
@@jesterboykins2899 This demonstration was three guys spending a couple days to cobble together a proof of concept model for how it was done. If you gave me two months to perfect the water delivery system thru the center of the tube, and a greased wooden bushing to hold it on top, I'd have that copper tube thing cutting 4 inches depth per shift in granite. If you can't imagine that, you're unqualified to comment about basic stone cutting technology.
@@matthewchin6454 I wish more people understood that. This is clear proof that it was possible with what they had and people still wanna say its some "lost ancient technology". No. Its a shit load of people with a shit load of time on their hands to perfect this stuff. People watch too much Graham Hancock.
I find it very difficult to believe Egyptians would have gone to that much trouble to cut granite, or indeed could even make certain cuts shown in ancient stonework with tools like these. Some of it would have been impossible this way and we know that they cut stone precisely that is MUCH harder than granite, even. To believe this, I would have to see them recreate one of the andesite boxes found in the Serapeum, at a Moh's scale of hardness of 7. There are perfectly squared edges and corners, INSIDE the boxes.
.....yup it's one thing just cutting a straight edge but it is another thing entirely cutting a straight edge inside a one piece box.......this guy is a charlatan.
Take your meds
@@decem_sagittae Too much for your tiny brain. Go play fortnite
Because you're a rascist and a blind liar?
@@blaze1148 nice projection clown. You soft handed simpleton.
Use the drill cut out a bunch of connected holes once it is hollow smooth the side with sanding stones.
This is grade 8 wood working class level stuff you morons can't figure out.
That's how dumb your racism makes you look.
Proof that aliens were patient
How tf did the ancient egyptians have so much patience lmfao, like I'd give up in 20 minutes
one problem though: based on the drill pattern and the space between grooves, the tool they used was doing down at a MUCH higher rate of speed. Like WAY higher.
You haven't seen POC work for real when we're getting shit done. This is just done slowly to show you.
Also most likely they used water and sand
I wonder how long will take to cut the big stone :).Still cuting it right now
Sticks and copper never built the pyramids...it is like using a transistor radio to make the internet. The methods are much more sophisticated.
You COULD use transistor radios to make the internet, but it would be so huge that it would be the 7th wonder of the world.... lol see what I did there?
Or like Sputnik1 and the moon landing prior to even Commodore 64 level of technology? Unless you think that's all a conspiracy too..
I love how seemingly nobody seems to take into account that they had animals to aid in labor as well as simple machines such as pulley systems with counter weights, rolling logs, etc. I swear some of the people commenting on here believe everyone before modern times were just a bunch of bumbling idiots that somehow miraculously seemed to make it as far as they did.
I can think of 2 different ways to make the cutting faster as well as the fine details like smoothing it out and one man could do these tasks while the others on the team did other tasks like checking how level it was or adding sand and water as the saw cut.
Take a 12-15 foot copper saw ( as opposed to the shorter saw they are using here.) with sand and water and it would exponentially increase the work done because it’s more time that the blade is cutting across the stone, hence more work being done with less labor required.
Now let’s make it a little easier and make a piston like system with a few cogs/wheels and a rod that allows for a reciprocating action like a piston (dont tell me they weren’t smart enough to figure this out because they had animal drawn chariots/carts that used wheels and they also had architects/engineers who use lots of math to design stuff and who I’m pretty confident had an amazing understanding of their craft and tools) and tie a large work animal like an ox to the main cog and have it walk in circles. While this is happening, the ox powers it and the saw just cuts away. A very plausible method of doing it and easily achieved, even for them, especially when you consider the fact that there were THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.
Another method of making the cutting and shaping easier is cutting grooves for some chisels and slowly driving them down into those lines to split the rock. You can get pretty close to the desired dimensions and then just have to do some touching up for anything that’s left on the work area, which can be taken care of by the aforementioned saw and would take considerably less effort due to the fact that you aren’t having to cut away massive amounts at a time.
I’m not a stone mason nor an engineer but I’m also not stupid enough to assume that there is just no conceivable way that this could be done back then.
There is a guy named Wally wallington that uses wooden blocks and pebbles to move 10 ton blocks of concrete by himself ( this includes lifting them into place using counter weights to tip each side as he raises it into place.) to make his own Stonehenge in his back yard. If this man can do that by himself with a basic understanding of physics and simple machines, the ancient Egyptians could absolutely have done this with the THOUSANDS of workers they had and all the years they spend working with stone.
I’m not going to go into moving them because that’s a completely different topic and I just don’t have the energy to type all of that out along side this, but yeah, there are really simple methods that are 100% plausible that would work and that they were smart enough to figure out.
There is a fine balance between my interest in the subject matter and my loathing of those purveying it.
lol there are 1000 millimeters in a meter so they cut for 8 str hours for 31 days for one cut on a rock is one meter deep this video is a joke
Yeah they were in a hurry, because according to Egyptology they built each one of the pyramids in 20 years. Laughable. They could have been experts, but you are a dilettante.
You don't know what the hell you are talking about if you are cutting a 7/10 granite on Moh's scale with 3/10 copper. Just another youtuber commenting out of their ass.
In addition to what Drop said, they made the pyramids out of much softer limestone (hardness 3-4). The particular technology depicted here was used for smaller finer stuff like sarcophagi made of granite (hardness 6-7). I see no inconsistency.
@@G0rdonFr33man The copper is not doing the cutting, the Quarts aggregate is.
This is an absolute joke, they would also need 100+ copper saws to cut 1 meter because the material is cut both ways.
One thing is lacking! The near perfect precision!
Well the layman isn't going to be as good as a skilled professional. Experience and more skill is all that is needed. This was their 1st attempt.
@@swirvinbirds1971 LMAO!
@@yosefyahu4778 What's so funny? Any craftsman is not going to master it on their 1st attempt.
What it does show is a couple people can cut granite with a copper tool, sand and water and the markings match the cutmarking in the stones.
@@swirvinbirds1971 there is absolutely no way that the methods shown in the video can accomplish near perfect symmetry and right angles of 300+ ton blocks, statues and obelisks! ua-cam.com/video/h6H13Mi6Kds/v-deo.html - ua-cam.com/video/6KUDu40BC5o/v-deo.html - ua-cam.com/video/YZFN29FdCM0/v-deo.html
@@yosefyahu4778 why? Because you said so? 😆
What is the link for?
You do realize we have Egyptian documents of the Construction of the Great Pyramid right?
www.livescience.com/55439-ancient-logbook-on-great-pyramid-unveiled.html
Nope. You guys are WRONG. So how did they cut 20m length blocks and move them. Have you ever tried to cut a piece of wood while trying to ensure that the cut is straight? Its bloody difficult. After cutting the wood it would be imperfect you would then have to file it down. You experts are wrong. And with these pieces of granite you couldn't make a mistake otherwise the thing is ruined. That and you don't find hundreds of discarded pieces of rock that would show they made mistakes. They knew what they were doing and they had tools comparable to our modern power tools. That and you would have a million more blocks to cut perfectly.
Mistakes are cut into other objects and used for other projects like house building of walls, walkways or even gravel paths (yep even the fine sand leftovers are used) , nothing got wasted.. you would realize this if you actually knew anything about how ancient cultures worked. Also a 20 meters by 2 meter block is not cut with 20 meter saw but a 2 meter one, just saying.
skeecats: Did you even watch the video? If you did you would have seen the giant mistake they made when cutting the sarcophagus lid 0:33 lol. they made plenty of mistakes and hid them where possible.
There are many discarded Granite pieces have you been living under a rock.
_"Yeah yeah, they have proven the concept and replicated the exact striation marks, but that doesn't mean anything! Aliens still clearly did it!"_
proving a concept is not the same as proving a theory. Youre very ignorant.
@Drew Berchtolzthofen you hear that sound up there, that's the joke going over your head.
@@TheBlackfall234 But surely this does prove that copper tools sand and water can cut granite right? Three things that a copper age civilisation had.
Most people commenting here about forgotten advanced technologies are the same people that 7,000 to 12,000 years ago would see these buildings and statues and fall to their knees assuming they were done by Gods. In the meanwhile, pharaohs, kings and rulers with their architects and engineers would be laughing, sipping booze and bedding their daughters.
Most of these constructions spanned over generations. Thousands of workers were born and died working on them. Hundreds of machinery, tools and construction techniques could be created using only the materials from these ages. This video is a good and simple example of it. Just try and open your mind, multiply this 5 guys by thousands working day and night, take it to an industrial scale and maybe you'll get of your knees.
"both methods work, and both methods produce the same edged line as seen in the old tombs" edged lines in the great pyramid? please show me mr. narrator. and just to leave a 8cm deep scratch over couple of days in a granite doesn't equal to cutting 70 ton granite blocks in *perfect* 3 dimensional accuracy. the results actually contradict the mainstream paradigm straightforward, since this nothing but confirms that they simply couldn't have achieved the egyptian or south american level of accuracy with copper or bronze tools. not even close.
Interesting video I think your on the right track. Lapping techniques have been around far longer than is documented. Its a simple principal that you showed. A soft tool that can embed a harder cutting media. The really neat thing about it is that the process randomly wears the lap until all of the errors are removed and a perfect surface or cylinder has been formed. There is more to it than that but that is the high lights. Automatic generation of surfaces (takes 3 to do it with no reference) is the basis of all modern measuring and machine technology have been made. There is two kinds of accuracy geometric (Flattness, Squareness, Roundness) and what we think today of dimensional accuracy (Comparing a work piece to a standard measurement). There idea of a standard unit of measure and what we have today are very far apart. With the right tools and techniques matching parts is not as difficult as you might think So maybe they used a media different than sand. Maybe they used more water in the cutting process to clear out the excess. look up the book "Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy" the beginning covers allot of these topics and is a fascinating story of how we got from stone and black smiths to what we call precision tools today. Its all the same underlying principals that our ancestors had much much longer to master than what we have done in the past 150 years or so.
you know what I find entertaining! I have watched hundreds of videos on here about ancient Egyptians and their writings . on one hand theyl want me to believe what the ancient Egyptians wrote on the wall but on the other hand when the Egyptians talk about God's coming from heaven or pictures that look like spacecraft it's nonsense really there's so much history that we are being denied because of politics and religion
I think the main decider for me is the fact there's documentation of them using core drills on wood but no documentation on anything to do with cutting stone or building the pyramids surely this is a much greater achievement than drilling wood?
@@gavinhammonds3440an we literally have thousands of unfinished stones in egyptian quarries, and even AN ENTIRE UNFINISHED OBELISC
@@roccopiosaracino3681 and does that imply it was the Egyptians who did that?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle no, but it implies that they could do that, and since we don't have evidence of other civilizations living in egypt at the time they are the best candidates
@@roccopiosaracino3681 i don't see how it implies the Egyptians did it just because they are the most recent occupiers of said land.
People forget that Egyptians had two things: lots of time and lots of workers (slaves).
So you're telling me the aliens used saws? Incredible.
That's cute. I think we are forgetting that they had way better techniques than we know of. Techniques that we are completely unaware of as of today.
It's usually chemtrails.
How do we know they had better techniques if we are completely unaware of such techniques? You my friend, are a fanatic.
Its because they weren't vaccinated
@@TheTravellingScotsman right? How do you lift heavy blocks? Fairy dust
@@TheTravellingScotsman wow bub I was completely joking. You're a douche
So that's maybe where all that copper mined during that era in and along Lake Superior that they can't account for more than a few hundred pounds went? The whole half a million tons of it was ground to dust sawing granite in Egypt.
The video left a lot to be desired. The question of wear on the copper saw was not considered or measured in the video. The before-sawing and after-sawing weight of the copper blade (without the weights and handles on the ends of the copper blade) should have been measured and reported. My guess is that a substantial amount of the copper blade was worn away as you suggest.
Can we see how they made curves and finely smoothed surfaces in granite?
Get a hard stone, cover it with a light abrasive with some mud, and then use a wood hammer with said rock to fine detail surfaces.
There's not a snowball's chance in hell that's how they built the pyramids or anything else it would take decades to build a simple square room let alone an intricately cut pyramid or monuments
Sand is like a diamond, that's why now people using diamond saws, diamond wire to cut stone
i'd have to agree with the dude with the glasses on his head when he said " I've done it dry and I've done it wet , and wet is much better ....... OH YA !!!
Interesting but frankly, this is an exercise which points to showing the methods that were not used in pyramid construction, how many million 10 ton or heavier blocks were cut and dressed on all surfaces? If 2,000,000 blocks x 4 days to not even cut more than 10% through as was demonstrated here, that equation alone would prove the point!
That’s before the question of separating them from bedrock and bringing them to site from hundreds of miles away is even considered
pyramids are mostly built of limestone, not granite.
only very small parts are made of granite.
and there are tens of thousands of people working on pyramids, not just handful.
4 mm/h. What an amazing pace!
They conveniently ignore just how much copper is abraded into dust, sand abrades the copper at an astonishing rate.
@@methylene5 no it doesn't. coper is ductile, it just gets blunt but doesn't lose material.
@@swunt10 Oh yeah? Test it. Rub a penny on some wet sand on any hard surface, then get back to me. The copper will abrade regardless of ductility.
@@methylene5 yes if you rub it against a hard surface. but if you rub it against sand not much will happen since the sand will not strip the ductile copper off.
Concerning the building of impossible structures by ancient civilizations, I submit, that it's not ancient high technology, but sediment hardnesses.
In the beginning, God separated water from land, which created large layers of soft malleable sediments. This same exact geography would occur a second time during the Global Flood of Noah's age.
As humanity increased in population and spread throughout the earth, they would inevitably encounter these materials and begin making impossible statues, columns, temples, murals with very detailed and exquisite carvings or etchings that had glass smooth polished surfaces and drilling holes, because until these earthen materials hardened fully, they would be similar to working with clay.
As the centuries passed and these sedimentary layers solidified into solid rock, the capability to reproduce what the ancients had achieved was no longer available to them, which is why you clearly see a drastic decline in quality of work and type of stones being used.
This perfectly explains the capabilities of ancient civilizations and how they achieved their impossible to duplicate creations, yet instead of allowing the Bible to guide archaeologists into the correct answer of how megalithic structures and impossible to create statues from the hardest rock known was built, they wander off into the ridiculous ideology of ancient space alien technology.
The pyramid is essentially compartments filled with rubble. The cut stones make up a small proportion of the total volume.
I think its fair to assume some of the volume is made up to some extent by a natural outcrop and that the surrounding area lowered by cutting blocks and rubble for use on higher levels of the construction.
I saw folks in India do much incredible stuff like this (though on a smaller scale). many poor folks working round the clock will get the job done.
Try telling them to build a big fuck off triangle in the middle of nowhere, for no real reason, and see how willing those poor folk are to do the job
@@o0zeroh0o Add in free food, free housing , and last, but not least, free beer, and they'll do it, if the alternative is starving to death
in a sober state.
With all that beer, is it safe to say the pyramids was built by drunkards?
@@heisag that all adds a whole bunch of other problems you "fans of the official" theory are ignoring. You dont seem to care about the logistical problems of feeding those HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of workers that all had to be supplied - according to official theorys - ALL WHILE BEING IN THE FUCKING DESERT YIKES. Oh and the 200km way of transportation as well doesnt seem to matter to people like you. Youre literally acting like your imagination is some sort of proof. "oh i think if its like this and this then they wouldve done it", sure dude. Btw the estimated population of ancient egypt is around 1 to 1.5 million. Some people already did the math. If the claims of the great pyramids (only that single one) being built in 20 years with those exact methods wants any chance to be taken seriously they had to at least have 300.000 Workers work at the pyramid at the same time. WIth an overall population of around somewhat of a million. Do you really believe they would occupy roughly 1/3 of their estimated population to build a FUCKING GRAVE FOR 20 FUCKING YEARS ? While supplying them all with food and beer ? Youre fucking delusional i say. Even if we pretend for your sake that the supplying of the workers wasnt a problem, i cant see a civilisation occupy 1/3 of their overall population basically 24/7 to build a fucking grave. You dont even believe it yourself if youre honest.
@@TheBlackfall234 Could be intresting to read the official theory or theories since i like to question everything. Care to share their location?
So how did the ancient Egyptians make the long straight pipes used for drilling the hole?
molding and melting metal is a very ancient skill that was very much a practice during that time...
Surely you have seen ny the bronze statues? A simple cylinder would have been childs play.
Copper can be easily hammered into a flat sheet. Roll a sheet around a pole and you get a tube.
They would of made large flat sheets of copper or brass and rolled them into shape and sealed them
By making a flat sheet of it (which is super easy) then rolling it around a rod shaped object (probably of wood) until the edges meet (no need to seal that gap incidentally). that is why Anvils have always had a horn on it, for example.
I've had the privilege of examining casing stones and other cut stones on the Giza plateau using precision metrology equipment. All I will say is that this is how some of the rocks were cut. While most others were not. I will leave it at that.
These guys must be the aliens everyone's been talking about!
Mark Lahner... a desperate man with inadequate explanations to the most advanced technologies.
Staight edges, OK. But what about the polygonal faces in the Inca Megaliths?
Perhaps I don't know. . . Sandpaper? Its also how they likely smoothed the granite blocks to an almost level finish too
@@kkkkk12122323232 - that's a lot of diamond paper for granite. Regular sandpaper is worthless for that application.
Sandpaper bro.. really?
@@kkkkk12122323232 Sandpaper😂😂😂
saw and then chisel?
The pyramids were assembled when I was still a young 3000 years old. They used early rock melting to mold the blocks. The Egyptians renovated them some 7500 years later and did a fine job. They have really gone down hill though in the last thousand years. And they weren't tombs, but a really impressive cool temperature hangout to play music in.
Its amazing how wrong you can be in such a short paragraph.
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Thanks for the proof granite can be cut with copper saws and tubes using sand!
I wonder if they also didn't create some large flat granite grinding surfaces that newly cut blocks could be slid and spun around on to finish them and make them flat? With sand between the block and the 'floor' surface, these blocks could be ground to a fine flat surface, and different grades of sand could have been used to bring surfaces to a near polish. It would take a lot of effort to move these larger blocks around on a flat surface as well as understanding of how to do it so as to retain the 'floor's' perfect flatness by the pattern of movement, but I'll bet it could be done.
That's your next experiment! Make blocks with perfect right angles and finished surfaces!.
Then how did they polished the inside of the 100 tones granite sarcophagus in Serapeum of Saqqara ? What is your bet on that
well you could just do it with 2 blocks right? youve cut 2 blocks that both need smoothed, stack them on top of each other with sand between them and move the top one around to polish both of them at the same time. if you did it with the blocks that were going side by side into a wall im sure you could get those really tight fits too.
@@ladoznalec I don't know how they did that. Great question I would love to know the answer to.
@@necaacen Makes a lot of sense. I've thought about that in the making of these stone walls with irregular shaped blocks that have delicate corners that fit perfectly. I think you could be correct and the people making these walls spent a lot of time and effort sliding, and even twisting, each subsequent block for a long time with sand, and with some serious mechanical effort, maybe using long wooden levers attatched to the "knobs", that's how it was done. I imagine people spending days and weeks pushing long wooden poles like oars back and forth to place each stone.
Yeah, the old documentary films about egypt are outdated. It turns out the pyramids were built before the great flood, there's why they are not documented anywhere. They also show signs of flood, even the sphinx base.
And there were thick layers of sea salt on the insides of the pyramids that were hastily excavated before anyone could see.
Atlanteans actually seem to be the most reasonable theory/guess at this point.
4:24 Wow! In just a few days. And how many hundred stones had to be cut, shipped, hoisted and placed every hour around the clock to build the pyramid?
When you have an army of slaves finding people to push a saw back and forth 24/7 is pretty easy. Especially when its cut the stone or die. So get a few thousand slaves and have at er!
@@DayDrinkin Since they got about 4 inch in just a few days, and the stone is 50 inch thick. One cut would then take two persons only 2 weeks or so. Since you need a coupple of million stones for one pyramid thebcutting would then take 2 men only 75.000 years in round numbers. Man the saws.
@@Thestripper1 I was ready to call you out on the couple million bricks and then I googled it.. damn about 2.3 million of them used. I guess a far more efficient way had to have been used.
Some of the striations I've seen look like they were left by a circular saw. I wonder if a water powered saw with a spinning circular copper/bronze blade and sand abrasive would work. Something like that would be a lot more precise and faster than cutting by hand.
@Ian Duke I meant water powered as in using moving water to drive the machinery e.g. a water wheel driving the spinning blade. Not directly cutting with the water like a modern water-jet cutter.
Of course there are other ways to spin saw blades, workers walking in a wheel, dropping weights, animals...
@Ian Duke Pure speculation on my part. Just trying to think of how they would have powered such a system. It's obvious they had some sort of method for powering the saw to relatively high speed just by the cut marks.
how about a sand powered saw, sand falling onto a wheel
Assuming the egyptians built them which is in debate, they had irrigation pump designs so a Geared water wheel driving a circular saw with continual water and sand feed system isnt beyond the realms of possibility, plus it could be left running 24/7 to cut with minimal manpower, awesome accuracy and faster results
@@mowburnt Electricity aswell ?!? Using some kind of alchemical hydrogen pressure chambers.
If there is any place i could imagine a bright white ship in the sky hovering above a pristine pyramids night sky it would have to be there- it almost seems meant.Or not.
So where did they get the perfectly rounded tube?
making round things is very easy, you can take a square and put in some dirt; shake it left and right, and itll make you a circle
fill that whole with charcoal, clay, or bronze and youll make yourself a circle. you can sand it to make it better.
repeat the process and then youll get a better circle each time
Funny how random people on the internet suddenly become experts in history, mansonry, archeology and everyting. Then instead of writing books and science papers they write comments on youtube about how historians and archeologists know nothing :)I'm glad this video was uploaded and I'll be even gladder when it gets more publicity or at least as much as those pseudoscientific videos around here.
This is actually a replication of an earlier experiment. It's been proven that you can get similar patterns into the stone, but nearly as perfect and in uniform as the ones actual found at megalithic sites. Feel free to read the study.
www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/ancient-egyptian-stone-drilling/
Lord Gryphon all you need is common sense
Funny how random people on the internet suddenly criticize those who don't buy into ridiculous ideas.
Funny how science facts are being ignored, and an independent investigator like myself can find paleo-anthropology theory destroying evidence in a few minuets......
Random people have eyes to see, and brains to understand the evidences found else where. So many real things academics won't show us because they themselves can't explain, are being shown by pseudoscience's researchers to the average Joe like my self, and I praise them.
Rather funny that supposedly intelligent people would consider this viable. Even cursory investigation of drill holes for example tell you from the marks left by the tools used the 'feed' rate, which is considerable, not possible with hand tools. Other cut and saw marks show similarly obvious marks that can indicate the type and speed of the tools used. Didn't these people consider any of those things? Let's not bother to discuss how large stones were actually removed from the bedrock and then transported or positioned when finished.
It is really wonderful and funny to see how desperate the politically correct archeologists are to proof their nonsense is not nonsense. Their funding and permissions are at stake!
We truely know nothing about the origin of the pyramids
some do know
ancient people are genius enough because they have all the time of their life achieving one thing..no facebook to updates, no bundy clock to beat..no traffic to think..all they they think of one task only, times the numder of team he has..its not surprising though
Yes all they could dream off was a pyramid with the mass off 6.000.000 Tons, that seems exiting to build guys. Lets go!
Look at the Osirion "temple" granite blocks 8x8x12 feet. Weighing up to 67 Tons and there are alot of them on that site. Also look at the presision. Those things are perfekt. For one cut you would need 900 hrs of cutting,which are 22,5 40hour weeks, 5,6 Months. FOR ONE SIDE. Lets not talk about moving them. You seem like a smart guy, at least your username is trying to resemble that. So maybe if you are interested, start looking into this. There is no scientific proof that the egyptians built the pyramids. Wouldnt they engrave that in stone ? And there are alot of "temples" all over the world which cant be explained. The question is why they dont admit that they are wrong. That there are erosion marks at the sphinx. That below the pyramids where tunnels connecting them probably, there is almost nothing about this in mainstream media. Theres so much stuff you could talk about. But if you follow a theory that someone assembled roughly a centuries ago, and built upon itup to this day, you start making no sence. Egyptologists like Zahi Hawass are a proof of concept. Just take a look at this video and how the former Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs of Egypt handles that brisant situation. Also look at the security guys blocking him, they fail at the end.
ua-cam.com/video/8Ziu2ygE_Wc/v-deo.html
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Lol...tell that to the people that lives on the amazon jungle.
Apis Hathor learn how to spell if you're going to make big claims. Doesn't make you look intelligent either. Plus it's very possible that built them. We can't know what they were capable of or how great their level of craftsmanship was. They were probably Master builders. And from what I heard people think these were actually built 12 thousand years ago and there were better tools and civilization back then but then they were all wiped out by some Mass Extinction. Whether it was a flood or meteor. It's not too hard to believe that there at one point could have been greater tools at one point. Look what we've achieved in just the last 500 years and especially in the last 100. You might say that cuz we had a few thousand years of other advancements that taught us to get there. But that's way less time than 10 thousand years or more. What you're saying sounds a bit conspiracy theoryish. And the burden of proof is upon you. Where, the stuff I stated is some people's theories, a lot of it is based on actual carbon dating.
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Let us not forget the concept of the learning curve. The success of the copper saw in this demonstration may have been limited but we should not see it as representative of what might be achieved by an experienced crew with a saw made by someone with experience of what works most effectively.
Viewing any of the many UA-cam videos of crafts people will show you what experience and talent can achieve in terms of efficiency and speed. it would be interesting to see what would happen if the experiment were conducted over a longer period with time for the skills to be learned.
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your missing that this are the older pyramids and the most recent ones are made of mud bricks and are mostly gone or basicly destroyed , by your statement the most recent ones should be even better then the older ones. 4mm in 1h it's roughly 80 cm in 8 days, if they took 8 days to cut a block, let's imagine they had 50000 workers and the great pyramid has more then 2 milion blocks then each guy would need to cut 40 blocks, they are pars so its 80 blocks, that would be 53 years of NONSTOP cutting just to cut the 2 milion blocks, u have to level them and place them. Complete non sense
@@whosthevictim367 The principle of the learning curve is that if the experimental archaeologists who have no experience of getting it right, can manage 4mm in one hour, experienced Egyptians would manage a lot faster as they would be higher up the learning curve.
In terms of the second point you make;
What dates do you attribute to the better made pyramids, and what dates do you attribute to the less well made pyramids?
@@simonthorneycroft1339 i dont atribute ages to them, mainstream midia does. you can not date rocks mate, there is no Hieroglyph's telling how or when or who build the pyramids, you would expect to find writen texts about the construction of the pyramids but there is none. they dated the pyramids from organic matter found around them, but i can drop an apple in front of your house and that does not mean that your house it's as old as the apple. They are aligned with the constelation, and the last time that constelation was in that spot was roughly 12000 years ago. You have to understand and grasp something, If you were alive in those times, how would you tell the future generations what year was when you built those things? jesus was not born yet so you dont have the 2023 counting years, so how would you tell the future generations the year that you build them? you had to use the stars, you had to align them with the stars because it's the only thing that will " record " the time, future generation can look up and understand when you built because constelations are a cosmic clock.
@@simonthorneycroft1339 and you are trying to dodge the question, if your learning curve opinion is correct, then why do the older pyramids are the greater ones and the most recent pyramids are the worst and weaker and not well done at all? shouldnt the most recent ones be the better? the greatest? if the learning curve was a fact then Why does the older pyramids are better? dont dodge the question
And they built the pyramids in 20 years like this? Lolololololol
Everyone keeps saying this would take too long to build the pyramids. They're not demonstrating how the pyramids were built with granite. They're showing how to cut granite for a sarcophagus. The core of the pyramids are made from limestone which is way easier to cut. Granite was only used on the outside along with a rarer form of polished limestone. Also it's just one experiment so who's to say there aren't more techniques we don't know about (that don't include alien tech)